Mom Guilt: Discipling Our Kids

"Mom Guilt" is hosted by Stephanie Delger and Elizabeth Leach. In this episode, they discuss the mom guilt around discipling our kids and how to teach children Bible verses and theology without overwhelming them. They talk about using the New City Catechism, which has songs that can answer tough questions geared towards toddlers. They also touch on the importance of being comfortable with not always having all the answers and the value of exploring questions with children to help them develop a personal relationship with God. They mention some resources they use such as the Kevin DeYoung Bible story and LifeKids on YouTube.

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I should probably sit the right way like a lady. 
So we are just two friends were here to talk to you about Mom, guilt because we've lived it. But also to not just talk about Mom guilt but to help bring the freedom that we have found through the gospel. And we know how real mom Gill is bad because we're both moms together. We've got seven, kids were guilty in our way through life, right now. So, this is real, it's live. This is what we live in.
 
Hi. I am Stephanie. And the last time that I felt mom guilt was probably yesterday, when all four of my kids, that four hours playing Mario Kart on the Nintendo switch. And like, oh, I feel guilty too much screen time. 

No, I can totally relate to that. I'm Elizabeth. And the last time that I felt mom guilt, was, actually the other week coming back from spring break. Both me and my husband got the days mixed up.
It's Monday in the school called me and they're like, oh, where's Levi? No, no. So we quick, I was like, oh no, he click and my husband ran him to school and I was just like, wow, I'm really good at this whole mom thing, right? Oh, that's okay. That is always been like my food reverse, but like, when I was a kid, my mom would drop me off to school and had a wouldn't have school and she would just leave me there will see you now, maybe the next time, that's what I'll do. Seven back to school and day early.
 Don't be there but, you know, I can laugh about it now. Yes, yes, we'll leave. I be able to laugh about it later. I think so. He wasn't too upset. Thankfully we were just like, oh, sorry buddy. Go to school. He was pleasantly surprised. Oh yeah, awesome. Yeah. So it's fun. Alright friends. So we are just two friends that are here to talk about Mom guilt and how we have found freedom from that guilt through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And today we're going to be talking about Mom guilt, specifically centered around the area.
Discipling Our kids. Yeah. And what prompted this conversation between Elizabeth and I was because a couple weeks ago I was listening to a podcast about discipling your kids and on that podcast they had encouraged me to ask your children. How do you get to heaven? Oh man, yeah, so in that moment I actually wasn't nervous. I was like, oh, I've been discipling. My kids so well, this is going to be great. I'm gonna go to my oldest and I'm gonna ask her how to get to heaven. It's like, okay, this is great. So I go to her and I asked her
 Her, how do you get to heaven? And she replies mom by going to church and reading the Bible. Oh no my kids. Well it was like it made me feel like I was a swimmer and I was like on the diving board and I was going to go in to do a dive and then halfway through I realized this is not going well and just like spiritually by Leaf opt into the water. It was bad. Yeah. I you know it's so funny because you hear those things and you're like yeah going to church you reading your Bible.
 Things are good, you're good. Yeah, that's not what gets you into heaven. It's nice and trusting in Him as your savior. Yeah. And I can completely relate. I think of all the spiritual belly flops that I have, and even the questions that ask my son and he just goes, I don't know. That moment, I almost would have preferred and I don't know, then like a Works based. I'm Gonna Save Myself by doing these things. Yeah, I was, it was pretty bad. Well, that actually kind of makes me think of something else, you know, as I think of discipleship in my own journey in that.
 I feel like that's something I really didn't start to do fully until maybe like the last year and my oldest is 6. Okay. So I kind of were talking about spiritual belly flops and I feel like, you know, the last five years, maybe have been that for me, thankfully, you know, this last year has been different. Yes, I can relate to that and so many ways. Yeah. Do you mind me asking you? So what do you think changed? Because you were saying you weren't discipling your kids and then the last year, the last couple years, you started doing that.
 Was there something that happened in your life or something? That triggered you starting to say, hey, I should disable my kids. Yeah. So looking back and I think really, if I were to take time to think about it, it really came down to my own relationship with the Lord. God's goodness and Grace. He just gave me a desire to read scripture regularly daily and that overflowed into discipling my children. Yeah, praise God because yeah, it's such a gift from
 Him. Hmm. Absolutely manseok I know what I hear you saying in that Elizabeth is that discipling, your kids kind of started more with a relationship between you and the Lord, rather than specifically setting out to say, hey, I'm going to disciple. My kids is that kind of a fair thing of what you were saying. Yeah, that's exactly. I actually think, sometimes we look at it. Like, oh man, we need to do all of these right things. So that our children have a relationship with the Lord, but I actually think, discipleship, unicycling your children comes down to your own relationship with the Lord.
 Kind of where I got this idea. I had a friend who she was actually the pastor's wife at the last Church rat. And I had one week, where it was just a really terrible week. I mean, one of my children was acting up in Sunday school. Sorry, it was just one of those weeks as a mom and I came to her and I just was like, tell me what to do. I totally had those moments where you just grasping like I can't do this, tell me the perfect formula to us to get my children to love the Lord.
 And be obedient and all this stuff. And, you know, her and her wisdom. She has much older children. She tells me, you know, parenting is just daily obedience to the Lord and not really change. Good. Yeah, changed my perspective. Looking at it, that it's my own daily obedience to the Lord, and that is what truly drives. My parenting also helped me to not, look at it on such a large scale. Yeah, one day at a time, that's so freeing. Yes, I can find myself like getting trapped in this
 Like anxiety of, oh my goodness. How can I do these next five, ten years, you know, but if she is just saying that it's daily obedience to the Lord, that is so freeing because it's just that day that you're focused on instead of tomorrow on the next day after that, and the months that follow. Yeah. And I'm definitely one of those people that sometimes when I think of the big picture or I think, oh, my goodness, like I think of my children as husbands and wives in, you know, whatever God's going to call them to do. It can be kind of like
 I don't I'm petrified in it that where I'm like, oh my goodness, this is so huge, it's their life. It's their walk with the Lord. It affects so many things but, you know, it's just true. I mean, it does like, that will affect everything. And that's a really big calling to be a parent. That's not something that we can just kind of skate through life doing the bare minimum. So there's that way, that you're feeling like, oh my goodness, I need to raise my kids, well, but that is like crippling and crushing and you can feel that burden on your shoulders and that's horrible.
 Exactly. But having her advice that parenting is just daily. Obedience to the Lord, brought me back to, you know, one day at a time, humbly, asking the Lord to help me just today, you know. You know, just help me to get through today. And then tomorrow, I'll worry about tomorrow and you will help me for tomorrow. And it just really helped me to feel like, okay, like the Lord has got this and you know, I can do this. Yeah, through him so solutely. Yeah. So with you staying like it's daily obedience to the Lord, like
 Do you think, what do you think she was meaning in obedience as would do was she getting at, like discipling your kids or do you think she was getting at something else? I feel like she was getting at the whole of parenting which I think a huge part of it is discipling. I think as parents if we are looking to the Lord and saying, Lord, I want to be obedient to you, I want to disciple the way you want me to. I want to parent the way you want me to the, he will be faithful and provide that.
 That's a biblical wisdom. Yeah, you got me. And that's so amazing. And that's what listeners. I just want to pause a second because I think it's really important that if you don't have an older woman in your life that you can go to, like, Elizabeth was able to you're missing out. And if you see somebody at your church, or your small group with her Bible, study your next door neighbor that, you know, loves the Lord, reach out to them and these moments because how much would you have missed out on Elizabeth? If you were too scared to admit that you needed help you? But you reached out,
 And that was a wonderful way that she was able to encourage you. Yes. And she has been through it. She has four children of her own that are grown. Now, I mean, she has one in high school, her baby. But yeah, she has such wisdom and to look to that and ask other Godly women for advice and help and encouragement, because we can't do it alone so Lily we can't. Yeah. I mean and that was the time you and I had kind of talked a little bit before and you know obeying the Lord what does that mean? And you and I had kind of
 Looked at some different verses and solicitor. We kind of want to let you in on that conversation as well. So we had really talked about Deuteronomy 6 verses 5 through 7 which say you shall love the Lord, your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might and these words that I command you today shall be on your heart and you shall teach them diligently to your children. And so there's this idea of your teaching to your children. What's coming out of your own relationship with the Lord? Which is
 Only what she was saying to you know, the first part of that. Love the Lord, your God with all your heart and all your soul that is first. Absolutely. And then teach that to your children diligently and not get those reversed. Yes. Yeah. And I think another one that we had kind of talked about ahead of time was Matthew 28:19 and 20, which sometimes you guys may have heard, this is actually called the Great Commission. So this is Jesus he's about to ascend into heaven and he has his disciples
 But he is talking to. And these are actually the last recorded words that we have of Jesus to his disciples, which then is Bible readers. This is recorded. It's also for you and I and for you as well listener. So let me go ahead and read those as it says go, therefore and Make Disciples of all Nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and of the son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that. I have commanded you and then there's this wonderful promise and behold. I Am With You Always to the End of the Age. You're nothing alone in this know.
 We're not alone. God is our Helper, and he promises Us in these verses. But I think so often we can hear this verse and think, oh, I need to tell people outside my family or out. Yes, outside. Where this applies? Absolutely to our kids and to our family and I think sometimes we as moms can Overlook the call of motherhood to disciple our kids, because we're so focused on what seems flashy or in the mission field outside of our home. Uh, you know, and we talked about this and
 Our podcast that, you know, as discipling, our children affects generation salute and sometimes that can have a greater impact than even going out in on to the mission field in reaching one person. So, I, because we have the ability to see our kids every day, every night, I mean, when they're up at night with a nightmare, like one of my kids is dealing with right now, I can pray over them and ask God, please give them peace to allow him to have nightmares anymore. And as a mom, we get to be there throughout their day in a greater way that really anybody else has with
 Our kids. Yeah, we get to speak into their lives in such a special way and, you know, with God's will, hopefully they will do the same to their children. But I actually wanted to ask you, you know, kind of changing gears. But so, why do you think that God commands us to do this? We know that God's command is good, but why is this good? That is such a good question, man. I think that's one that I actually haven't really sat and thought through a lot because sometimes I'm like, oh, well, the Bible says to do it. So I'm just gonna
 Do it, but I think there's some truth in that, right? Like if you see something in scripture, you need to do that. But I also, why should we follow the command to teach our kids? I think comes down really to their salvation, right? I mean, the Bible says that if you believe in anything except Jesus Christ, you're going to go to hell. You're going to face Eternal punishment from your sins, and I love my kids. And I know that you love your kids. I don't want that for anybody, especially my children to go to hell and
 And so they, it's my job. I, you know, I wanted to teach them about Jesus being their Savior and what he has done for them, for their Eternal, for their eternal life, for their Eternal Soul. I feel like that's on the line there. Yeah. So, you know, thinking about that what you just said so as a mom discipling, my kids can doing that. Save my kids from going to hell like if I disciple my kids, good enough, will that be good enough?
 That's such a good question. I mean, there's so much to discipling your kids, right? We don't just want to teach our kids. That Jesus is like this fire insurance, that will get them out of hell that. If you say these magic words of Jesus, Come into my heart that you then will no longer go to hell. It's so much more than that. Yes, there's this admission that I'm a sinner and I need you to go to heaven. But with that, there comes this entire relationship, which I think is really when we disciple our kids. That's what we're fostering as well.
 That we want to show you Jesus and like what you were saying earlier it comes out of your own walk with Christ. Yeah. The out of my love for Jesus. I can't help but talk to you about him because I love him so much and I think that a lot of times is really what discipling looks like. Yeah. And that makes me think, you know, relationship comes first. Then obedience, you know, we don't just want our children to just say, okay, I'm a Christian and, you know, be obedient, tell us what we want to hear, we want them to
 I genuinely have a relationship with the one and only God. Yeah. Because if they are raised, especially in today's culture and the climate of where we're at, if they if they view themselves as a Christian but never have a relationship with Christ. That is not going to carry them through the trials that they're going to face. It's not going to carry them through the hardships that are unfortunately going to happen for our kids. I know in my own walk with Christ, you know. It was in my deepest darkest moments when I really needed Christ.
 Iced. It was that relationship that anchored me in those storms and in those trials and that's what I want to give my kids. Yeah, and I feel like that goes back to what we were saying about. It's nothing that they can do that. We can do, God can only change our children's hearts and we see that repeatedly throughout scripture. Yeah, I think we see that a couple places. So the first one that you and I kind of talked about a fission is 1 verse 5.
 It says he predestined us for adoption to himself as Sons through Jesus Christ. And so right there that predestined that you were chosen by God, and so it's not this thing that you and I can force a, we can do. But really this is in the Lord's hands in the truth is as us as Believers we were chosen. And so that means that we respond with obedience and we're trying to be obedient by discipling our children and loving them. Well yeah. And I think part of that too I mean
 The other of Ephesians, Paul, he goes on to say in the next chapter, even Ephesians 2:8 and 9 for it is by grace that you have been saved and this is not of your own doing. It's a gift of God, not a result of works so that no one can boast. And I think I have thought about this verse in relationship to me and the Lord. But I think in talking about discipling with our kids, we need to also apply this verse to our children. Yes. So you know, extended this idea for it is by grace that you have been saved, if
 Child is saved. It is by grace that they are saved not by their works and Mom not by your works of how well you disciple your kids. So we can trace post that it was because of us. Yes, it's not like the secret formula that you can, you know, read to your child at this time and then pray with them here, and then sing this song, and then eventually they will be saved. Like it doesn't, it doesn't work that way. It's not a work that we can do. Yeah, and I think my Bible study, we actually this past year has been beautifully of
 I've spent an entire year walking through Romans and in the second half of that study, we spent multiple weeks talking about Romans 9 through 11 and I think this passage is really hard and it's 12 Russell through but we see this reality that God has chosen those Those whom he has chosen. But yet also there's this call that were to tell others about Christ and really that's like the Walk of discipling our kids, right?
 Mom, we know that there's this reality that God before they were born, has chosen whether your child will come to Salvation or not. But then there's also this reality that it's our job as a mom and we're told as a mom to teach our children about the Lord so that they can have this relationship with God. And those two are intention, right? And God uses that God uses us to preach to them and bring them hopefully to him. And we see that with the Great Commission and going out, that's why we share the gospel.
 With everyone, not knowing who is saved or who is chosen. I mean, and you just know that God will use that for his glory to bring people to him. And, you know, as I think about this more like how does this apply to me as a mom? Now, I feel like this is actually a huge weight off my shoulders. I don't know if you feel that I absolutely feel that like, thank you, Lord that their salvation isn't dependent on me. Yes, because I will fail over and over and over again. That
 Not on my shoulders to do that to save them. I am not their God. Yeah. And in the Bible study small group that I was a part of during that two, I mean, we talked about this week after week of is so scary and you want to shy away. When the Bible says that God has chosen whom he has chosen, I mean, in Romans 9, it talks about that Rebecca had two children and though, they were not yet born before. They had done anything, good or bad, God chose one and not the other for election. And we hear that, and we cringe and were like, oh God,
 how can you do that? And, you know, there's there's this reality that God is God and he is the only one that can make that and as you dig into the rest of those chapters. And as we were talking about about it as a group, to we realized what that means is that God makes the choice and not you and I, and like what you were saying, the freedom that that takes off of your shoulders of that weight of like, oh my goodness, I have to go do all of these things because my children salvation rests on
 Well, I do this. That weight is gone. Yeah, and we will never be able to do that. No matter how hard we try. We will make terrible God's. Yes. And if you want listener, I know, I will. Yes, exactly. And we need to encourage each other in that because that sneaks up on us so often, at least me it sneaks up on me where I think I can do everything, right? And my children will love the Lord her that this is dependent on me. And sometimes I lean into Pride, right where I'm like, you know, I'm so
 Oh, great at this. Look at me. And I it's almost before I asked my kid and then I heard the answer. Yeah. And then other times I feel almost despair in it. Like this is so big, you know, maybe I'm not doing this. Well, maybe I'm currently in a season where I'm failing at this, or it feels like I'm failing. How do I continue on?
 Yeah, I think that's when you're in that season, it passages like this, I think are actually so beautiful, right, because you and I can sit and we've encouraged each other of, you know, your identity is not in what you do, but your identity is in Christ. Yeah, identity isn't even being a mom. Absolutely. Right. Which were talking about this our identities in Christ and we have to constantly be reminded because we are so prone to forgetting that.
 Yeah, so I think having this conversation, I think this this will hit us in two different ways, right? So it for listener, if you are currently, not discipling, your child, your may be listening to this feeling guilt or condemnation. The oh my goodness. I'm not doing what the Lord has asked me to do as a mom. And I think, you know, there's this encouragement that it's never too late, right? No matter what, how old your child is? You can start discipling them. Yeah, like my story that I shared you know. It really wasn't until the
 The last year and my son, my oldest son was 5 at that point, but it's never too late to be obedient to the Lord and to humbly submit all of it to him. I think, for me, when I was, you know, I've never done discipling perfectly, but one of the lies that I really believed was, I'm not going to disciple because if I disciple my kids, it needs to look like this. And I had this like picture perfect view of what I felt needed to happen.
 I felt like we needed to sit down and everybody needed to be quiet with her hands folded in their lap and yet I will story and then we sing a song and then we learned a catechism question and answer and and if it didn't go perfectly or if it didn't look like that then I failed. Yeah I can totally relate to that. I feel like just what I've noticed is that usually discipleship comes in the mundane moments. That's absolutely end moments. Yes. And so often we try to plan for it and almost I don't I don't know.
 Oh, what we idolize this moment? Yeah we I really liked the experience of it instead of like looking to Christ. Yeah. Who he is to drive that. Yeah, exactly. And I know we've talked about a lot of good resources that have helped us because the truth is we need help. Absolutely. So I know we wrote down a few to share. Yeah so what comes to mind like any resources that you love off the top of your head? Yeah so I think for me that a couple things that we have done in listener if this is not your style,
 What I think is really important is you guys need to find a style or something that works for you and for your family and for your season and for your age of kids what's working and me and my house doesn't work for you and your house, right? Like it's even different for you and I but one of the things I've really liked is there's this Bible Story series called Tales that tell truth. And there are these beautiful picture books that sometimes my children will not say if I read them a story out of their story Bible but they will sit because it
 Looks like in like another one of their books, but it's super sneaky because it's a Bible story and do it. So I really love the tales that tell truth but then also my kids and I we love going on walks and there are albums called The Seeds Family Worship. And it literally is just scripture set to song. It's also, as we're walking, this is kind of just playing in the background and I will find myself. And sometimes I've found my children to singing the lyrics to the songs which are actually Bible verses.
 Like the super, super secret ninja move that I can like, teach my kids Bible verses and they don't even know it Yak is, we remember songs so much? Yeah. Yeah. That makes me think of the new city. Catechism, they have tons of resources for, I feel like all ages but one resource that we use from them. A lot is, they have songs basically answering hard questions and they're geared towards Toddlers and my kids love it. And we like to, yeah, we listen to it when we're giving him a bath.
 With when we're driving to church because we live 30 minutes from church and it just it we have to fit into what works for us. And so those are the times that I'm like, okay, this is the moment that I have. I'm going to play this and sometimes my children ask questions about it but oftentimes it's just remembering. Yeah. And that's such a beautiful reason. I don't know if you've had this experience to but like my kids will come to me and ask me a question and because of that catechism that we were learning, I can turn it around on them and be like,
 Well, what do you think? And then it has been one of the things that we've talked about and in those moments, I think I have to guard my heart with pride because it's not in those moments that. Oh, look at, I taught them. This, it's all God. You were doing such a beautiful thing and they're harder. Yeah. He is his grace and he is faithful through it and even with the songs, I realized too that I learned a lot. Absolutely mean to, I know that sounds silly, but sometimes I'm like, oh wait, I think back to this Toddler Song with the catchy tunes and like
 Oh, that answers this question so well and simply you know, and sometimes we have to rephrase things and be okay to learn alongside with our children. Hmm. Yeah. Which I think kind of leading into another reason that I have been scared to disciple that. I just want to encourage you guys with. Is that what if I don't have all the answers and you won't know Wiimote. And that's okay. I think it's really important for my kids. If they ask me a question and I don't know the answer, I don't want to give them the wrong answer.
 Like I feel the responsibility of like not giving them the wrong answer but then sometimes it's like oh then we just won't talk about it but my kids know I'm not perfect. Like they're my kids. They're around me all the time. They know I said and so I don't know why I feel the expectation that I have to always have the answer. Yeah. And in truth, if you think of this on a bigger scale we're modeling for them. What do they do when they don't have the answers? I such a good point because they won't just like us and if we pretend to have all the answers,
 Answers. All of the time, they're going to feel shame. They're going to pretend that they have all the answers and that won't be fruitful for their own walk with the Lord. Yeah, that's not gonna be good for relationship. If you and I were talking and I pretended, like I always had the right answer of the perfect thing, our relationship isn't going to go forward. No, no, it's the not knowing and exploring that which is really gonna make them personalize their faith. Instead of just taking Mom and Dad's faith and putting it on there is it's going to become their own because they're asking those questions. Yeah. And that's our hope and prayer and doing this.
 In this makes me think of, to, like, just simple things, you know, we've talked about, you know, the Kevin DeYoung Bible story that has been really awesome. Our children love that. And we also, you know, like you're saying, you put on the Nintendo switch, you have moments like that is parents. And so, sometimes I put on the life kids on YouTube, you know, the Bible app with the games and the story of Steve YouTube too though. Yes. Yeah. I got some easy, am I smart TV? All use the YouTube app and
 I'll put on those Bible stories for like TV time and that's that's okay. Yeah. You know it it doesn't have to be perfect and we can utilize these resources. We don't have to be like perfect all the time coming up with their own curriculum. Yeah. And so those things can be helpful and God is faithful and in using those resources to that's awesome. So yeah, so Elizabeth we kind of talked to you guys listeners about like what if you haven't been to slightly in but let's turn it. What if you have been discipling? What encouragement.
 Would you give to the mom, who's saying? Yeah, I am discipling, my kids. Yeah. So thinking of the other side of this, you know, maybe you're a mom who is, you know, is this is in the spot that I am in, where I feel like God has blessed me with this desire to disciple, my children in that, it's overflowing from my own relationship with him. But I have to caution myself to Pride because we are so prone to Pride and maybe your mom. He's struggling with pride kind of like what you shared in that. So my
 Advice would be do less wait wait I can do last I know exactly so in that sounds almost kind of like wait wait wait you're telling me to do less what I'm telling you is to not lean into a Works based mentality to humbly submit to the Lord and what that looks like for your family in your life. So maybe you need less resources. Maybe you need less planned activities in you need
 More genuine time where the holy spirit is leading and guiding you and you were in tune to that.
 So it's hard. It's hard in that season will change some Seasons, you're going to be the mom who is doing it. Great. Yeah. And the next year, we're going to be the moms who maybe are feeling like we're failing in this and so it changes and we need this encouragement in this reminder in All Seasons. Yeah, I love that. You just talked about the seasons because I know, I can attest with my four different kids at different ages. Discipling, my kids looks different in different seasons. And so I struggle with looking back at a season and
 And say, oh, I did it so much better during that season. And now I'm just failing or vice versa, be like, oh, look it, I am so great because I'm doing so much better than I was back then. Which I mean there's this reality that as we grow as a mother. As we love God, more everyday, we hopefully will see this upward trajectory yeah, and some relation and but we have to make sure that doesn't go into Pride. Like when I was sharing earlier of, oh, I've been discipling, my kids, this is great. And I think that is so important to know.
 Different seasons look differently and so you can even take that way off like with an infant. I'm not sitting down reading a story book Bible, I'm singing Jesus loves me to them and like with my toddler's I'm not having them read the Bible on their own, I'm reading them, a story book, Bible and just now with my oldest daughters are now transitioning into having them spending time with themselves getting Bibles that are like an easy reader Bible story that they can start taking that on for themselves. Yeah. And that will look different even as our kids
 Has become teenagers. And so, I think that really goes back to the advice that I was giving that that I was given by my friend, was that parenting is just daily obedience to the Lord. So, whatever season you're in, whatever age your children are, you know, pray and ask God to help you to to submit and be obedient to him in it. Yeah, and I think it's also really important because in those moments, I know I have really struggled with pride when I'm when I'm discipling, my kids while in in, I think,
 We can disciple our kids, well, but we can disciple them with a prideful heart and that's not great either. So that heart posture, what we have while we're discipling is really important to and Psalm 121 verses 1 and 2. I think has just been so encouraging for me as a mom when I feel on those days or I'm like I'm a failure, I can't do anything right. My kid just said that they're going to go to heaven because of what they can do. Instead of Jesus, I can turn this passage and it says, I lift up my eyes to the hills. For where does my help come?
 Um, from my help comes from the Lord who made Heaven and Earth and it's so important to remember that I can't disciple my kids out of My Own Strength. I need to rely on God and on his strength to disciple, my kids because it's hard. It's not just a one and done thing like this checklist of, oh, I've read to my kid today. Check, I'm done discipling. Like you were saying earlier to this continual step of its, those impromptu moments that I've actually seen the most heart change for my children. Yeah. And I like what that passage says about our help comes from
 The Lord in everything and so no matter where you are at Romans 8:1 there is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ. If you haven't discipled, you do not stand, can stand condemned unable to be forgiven. You cannot mess your kids up more than what God can redeem, what is so good? You can't mess up your kids more than what God can redeem. The I such a huge weight that can be lifted off of our shoulders because so often I feel like oh I've messed them up. Now they're doomed.
 Aimed. Well, no, God is more powerful than that myself. I don't need. I can repent and that if I have sinned in that moment but God can redeem that exactly in the truth is, if it was all on us, we do miss our children up. Absolutely fail. We are sinful, and we live in a broken world, but God is bigger and stronger. So we need that. Reminder, and the other reminder, if you have been discipling, you are in Christ continue, being faithful to the Lord, knowing we cannot do it on her own and knowing your children are ultimately the Lord's and
 Know that the Lord is good. So listener, as we close here, we want you to go about your life, discipling, your kids being obedient to what God has called you to do and to live freely unburdened by the weight of having your child salvation rests on your shoulders. Because we know that only God can change their hearts. Yes, yeah, Soldier. If you like this content, please be sure to subscribe rate and review this podcast so that you and others can find Freedom from guilt.
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