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Writing as a Sacred Practice Using Intuition and Divine Inspiration with Gina Mazza

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We sit down with word provocateur, creative alchemist and book doula Gina Mazza for a deep dive into the power of writing as a spiritual practice, a healing art, and a tool for conscious evolution. ✨🖋️

Gina has worked across PR, marketing, corporate branding, and independent journalism—interviewing visionary thought leaders, spiritual seekers, and everyday mystics. 
As the author of Everything Matters, Nothing Matters and Essential Astonishments, she brings decades of experience guiding creatives through intuitive writing, storytelling, and the sacred path of the "Holy Muse."

🌟 What You’ll Discover:

How writing saved Gina’s life—and how it can transform yours
The transition from corporate marketing to launching her own venture
The essence of “quantum storytelling” and creative consciousness
The intersection of writing, intuition, healing, and purpose
Insights into balancing motherhood, authenticity, and calling
Whether you’re an aspiring writer, a heart-centered entrepreneur, or on your own journey of creative awakening, Gina’s wisdom will leave you inspired and activated.

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00:00 Introduction to Faces of the Future
00:00 Introduction to Faces of the Future
00:16 Meet Gina Mazza: Creative Alchemist
04:01 Gina's Journey: From Marketing to Writing
08:30 The Power of Writing and Spirituality
14:06 Exploring Higher Consciousness and Spiritual Practices
31:41 Intuitive Writing and Editing
35:11 Connecting with the Book's Morphic Field
41:13 Overcoming Creative Blocks
45:16 Personal Journey and Inspirations
58:06 Poetry Reading 'What Is Mine To Do?'
01:00:32 Final Thoughts and Human Potential
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#intuition 
#writing 
#love
#creativity
#entrepreneurship
#sacredpractice 
#humanpotential
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To learn more: 
▶︎Link to buy her Poetry Book Essential Astonishments on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Astonishments-Poetic-Reflections-Awakening-ebook/dp/B0CQDR27ZH?ref_=ast_author_mpb

▶︎ Check out Gina’s work:
https://ginamazza.com 

▶︎ Follow Gina on IG: @ginamazza_poetry
https://www.instagram.com/ginamazza_poetry/

▶︎ Connect with Gina on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ginamazza/

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Welcome back to the Startup of Human Potential. I'm Clifton, and I'm Victoria. and together we're Faces of the Future. Faces of the Future is a startup studio with a personal development platform focused on consciousness, connection, innovation, and well being. And today we're joined by our incredible guest, Gina Mazza. is a powerhouse in the creative writing space. She's a and creative alchemist for the past three decades. You can't tell because she's always radiantly glowing and beautiful. So I'm always surprised to hear when she says to us that she's a grandma. She's got a background in entrepreneurship, PR, business and product marketing, corporate branding, and she uses her intuitive guidance to help people tap into their creative muse to connect with their mission, passion and purpose. and her writing career has taken her all around the world. She's been in intentional and eco communities, sacred sites, creative incubators in the realms of quantum storytelling. And we'll get into what that means exactly in this episode, creative writing and the healing arts. She's been an indie journalist who's appeared in media all around the globe with a variety of thought leaders from physicians, PhDs, research scientists, theologists, politicians, mythologists, you name it Conscious evolutionists, CEOs, pro athletes, change agents, a few celebrities, and then your everyday people of extraordinary faith. And she serves as a writing coach, creative muse, book editor, communications pro and publishing consultant. Many people mistake her to be a publishing house. But she is a powerhouse who does everything in between to help you birth that beautiful creation of what it is that your heart wants to share. She herself has written four books. Her spiritual memoir is called Everything Matters and Nothing Matters. It was published in 2008 and praised in Publishers Weekly. And her latest work is called Essential Astonishments. And it's the realm of poetry for awakening. one of Gina's favorite things to do is to communicate with the Holy Muse. And I'd love to have Gina introduce herself as well and say, hello. So good to have you here, Gina. Hi, Victoria. Hi, Clifton. It is so fun being here in this space with both of you. I love you both so much and admire what you're doing. And your work in the world. I think that, you've introduced me quite thoroughly, so growing up to me, Writing has always been a sacred act. It's not just something that you do in school or at work. But I always sort of inherently knew that I had this power to transform and to be cathartic, to be healing in some ways. I mean, I'm amazed even now I look back at times in my younger life where I was dealing with stuff that I was going through and Writing is really what saved my life. I mean, it really is the thing that allowed me to make sense of what was going on with myself and with others, I guess, so I guess if it's true that the soul reincarnates, then I would have to say that I was absolutely a scribe in prior lives many prior lifetimes, because You know, as they say, I sort of came in with the affinity for language. I don't know why I just feel like it always sort of spoke to me in terms of its lyricism or,, the meaning behind it. And I guess if you couple that with my astrology, sun sign, Scorpio cap rising. I am very interested in just digging deeply into things and trying to understand. The meaning of them. So, , writing really serves that purpose. But how did I get, from that, through my other career into this, career that I'm in now was kind of a wayward path, I would say, because like many other people, at least of, My generation, I'm on the end of the baby boomer generation. So, I was told that you can't make a living as a writer or you can't make a living as a dancer, which was another career that I had considered early on or any of the creative arts, you can't make a living as an artist, but again, I had a sense that like communication in general, is just so. foundational to like everything else that happens in the business world and, and everywhere else that there had to be some role for me in there somewhere. so The way I came into it was through marketing, advertising, PR and that was great because it really gave me a great foundation working in a corporate setting. But then when I was 30, , that's the age that it happened. and I had my oldest child, my daughter, which was a rebirth for me as well. Bearing her was like me being reborn and something kind of coalesced in me The question that, that kind of arrived in my consciousness was, well, if you're going to do anything, that's going to take you away from these babies, because then I had another child 18 months later. So Irish twins. Actually they are part Irish they are part Irish so so it was just a sense of like, get real Gina, Step on your path and do it now because anything that you do that's taking you away from raising them has to be really essential to who you are and also model to them that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and not just, Sitting in a high rise office all day long writing marketing copy for the firm. And I just got really real with myself and I said, okay, it's writing, and that's, that's what I'm here to do. So that's what shifted me over to that. what I call my second career, which is. my main career, I love when the second career becomes that main career.. So I'm hearing how you explored the word on different ends of the spectrum and words have been used in many different ways throughout history to influence people, to influence their psychology, to want to buy something like in marketing, to brainwash people, especially if they're in a suggestive receptive state and also to awaken and enlighten people and to express what's flowing through you. So it's the same skillset. I'm seeing like how you've used it to express yourself and what your heart wants to share. And you, mentioned having children and like birthing your daughter and then your other child. And, it's like you help people birth their babies, their projects, what's in their heart, what their soul wants to share. So thank you so much for the work that you do. It's really potent and much needed and so powerful. Thanks and thank you. And it's true. And I use that metaphor and it's, it's been used many times over, but I think it is because it's an apt metaphor for writing a book. Because if you're in the right headspace, the right heart space, when you're choosing that which you want to write about and that which you want to share with the world, then it's coming from a very deep place within you. There's nothing superficial about it. It's definitely, creating from your essence. Again done right, you know, if you're really hitting on what it is that you're here to sort of articulate, to an audience, then it's really coming from a place that is part of who you are. And so, in that sense, it is like a birth where you're, taking a piece of your heart and you're sharing it with people. And so I take that process very seriously because I know what it feels like myself, to go through that process. That's that's a big part of what brings me so much joy in helping other people through that process as well, because I know it can be delicate, it can bring up a lot of emotions for people Yeah, and to me it does. I mean, a lot of my authors, I end up sort of talking off the ledge one way or another through the process of writing or publishing their book or promoting it. yeah, totally. Clifton and I see the same thing in birthing businesses, which is what we help entrepreneurs and creatives do, and it's very different when something is just a good business idea that the market needs versus like, this is my soul's calling and this is what wants to be birthed through me and there's. A bit of a muse or a steward that is helping to guide the process and we help to facilitate and doula that type of labor experience. It's a labor of love. And what I love about How you do that for others is that it's comes from that embodied place of you having done it for yourself and, you know, you've written and published your books and Clifton and I do that with our business, the way that we help people birth theirs. So I really love that parallel in the work that both you do And we do. And I'm curious to know because you're not just the powerhouse of, being a birth doula. There's that other essence. You talked about a lot of emotions coming through and connecting with that, divine muse. I was curious if you could take us through a bit and kind of expand on your journey. And this time, instead of focusing on like the career trajectory. More of like that personal development and spiritual trajectory as you're going through these major milestones. Yeah, I think a big part of what I feel I'm. Here to do and I'm good at is the psycho spiritual piece of writing and helping people write. and so that's not something that you arrive at overnight, that's something that you earn your way into through life experiences. And maybe I'm fortunate in this way, but I sort of knew early on, What my passions were, even though I didn't know what I was going to do with them or what that was going to look like. But the other thing that I've always been really innately curious about is just the human psyche, like what, what's going on up there and, and why. Do we do what we do, like why do we have these these types of conditionings and patterning and rules and regulations in life Generational cultural all of that and when I ended up going to university, I thought well, maybe I'll become a psychologist And so I started on that path And at least made it to the associate level and then decided, no, that's not really, doable for me because I was, putting myself through college and I thought, well, if I'm going to be a psychologist, I have to go all the way through to get a PhD and I don't know how I would do that. So I just kind of stopped and redirected my educational career. But. always been interested in that. And it's so funny to me and really cool that like, I end up doing that now as an editor and as, a person who's helping people with their communication because it's all tied together. I mean, we're not just spiritual beings. We're not just intellectual beings. We're not just creating, you know, using our mind, and not integrating of our other sides, our emotional side, and even our belief systems and all of that comes into play. So it's all tied together., so life experiences happened. just like everyone else. I've been through my traumas. I've been through my dark of the soul more than once, I've always just returned to the writing process because I talk about this in my memoir, it's, really not like what happens to us in life. It's what we do with it. It's, like a gift to us and, it's helping us to dig deeper into the meaning of things again. And that's how I approach things and the way that I was able to navigate that was just on the page,, just being able to journal about it or. Blog about it or whatever form that might have taken even writing a letter to someone who abused me, Like just writing a letter and there's a lot of research that talks about that too that the actual act of writing like physically writing from the brain through the hand There's something that transforms when you're doing that it's powerful. I love typing, but there's something even more metaphysical about the act of writing with your hand and wet ink on a piece of paper. It's very tactile. And I Use that process a lot for journaling, for processing emotions, for, any traumas, to release what was coming through anger, sadness, grief, joy, gratitude et cetera. So I know how. How transformative words can be in clearing up bandwidth in creating space for new things to enter. And just like exploring that whole spectrum of human emotion. You have a very subtle touch on the spiritual aspect of things. But I know you shared a bit of some of your deep training, and sometimes those experiences can be, a great, area for people to recognize just the depth of where you've gone to, because it's not just like, psychology and associate psychology. Path that you went on there. There's other deep layers of spirituality that you went and you trained in Perhaps if you could touch upon that a bit, that would be enlightening. Yeah, the spiritual path, , from an early age, I don't remember a time when I wasn't interested in, those big questions, you know,, I was very existential as a child. I wanted to know what is the meaning of life? And I was raised by Roman Catholic parents and put in a Catholic school, I feel like I'm a recovered Catholic now, but that had its own, detriments to me,, did give me a sense of the fact that there is this thing called faith in life., but there was also a lot of not so great stuff that came as a result of that. But whether not I was in Catholic school or not, I inherently wanted to know, what is. What is God, , and why is God and why are we here and what is this? And if wasn't anything here, would there be nothing? And who created nothing, you know, like if there's, if there's something, then what does nothing mean? I would just lay in bed at night and go down these rabbit holes and no one was prompting that it was just, . I Was curious, very inquisitive about that. And so my spiritual quest has always really just been summed up with, I want to know God, like if God is real, then what is he, she, it. that Sort of was put on hold,, in the early part of my career, like late teen years, early twenties, I was very much in the world. with what I was doing. And then, it coincided again with what I spoke about earlier, that after I had my kids and I refined myself, I was in this process of refining myself and realizing what it is that I'm really here to do from a professional standpoint. I was also realizing what I'm here to do, just in general., what does faith mean to me? and what is that? So what did I end up doing as a result of that question in my mind? I just started, you what do writers do? They read voraciously. And so I just started reading everything that I could get my hands on. Of course, this was before the internet. So, Going to the public library or going to the bookstore and just spending hours and days reading everything I could about spirituality and consciousness. and and this was in the late eighties, early nineties, as I was transitioning my career into full time writing, I was also coming out of a closet, so to speak, with my interest in these topics. And so, as an independent journalist, I started writing about it. it was all considered very fringe back then. What are some of those fringe, I guess, thought or books at that time? Mm hmm. Well, I guess I started reading the ones that were at the top of the bestseller list at that time, whether I knew that they were good or not. So Betty Eadie Embraced By The Light and Shirley Maclaine Out On A Limb, cause she was popular. Neil Donald conversations with God was just coming out. but what really, rocked my world was when I discovered Dr. David Hawkins, who is the author of mmhmm Force and many works on the topic. Yeah, we talk a lot in Power vs and other similar Yeah we talk about him a lot because he's one of work that, on our show his Love is just his he's going Incredible so many generations, I feel, but I was fortunate enough that he was in the body, when I starting out my career and I, I interviewed him a number of times and No way. Wow. I always remember that he was the only person. That I ever interviewed that at the end of the interview, he said, I love Like he that at the end of the interview and he never not granted me an you he took just time as I told him I needed to do it. And he really became a mentor to me in a lot of ways. I remember sitting on my bed reading, Transcending Levels of Consciousness, which is one of his books. We have it right behind Clifton and letting go Yeah, it's the green one. So in tandem with that, I was working with, an energy healer who is from Brazil and he was in the states and he Took me under his wing I would say he saw something in me that maybe I didn't see at the time or didn't know about at the time and Asked me to apprentice with him and so I did I was having all of these metaphenomenal experiences in the healing and again, I turned to writing to try to make sense of that. But then one day room on my bed reading Transcending Levels of Consciousness, and I had this experience that I can only describe by saying that I feel like my consciousness raised a few notches just by reading a paragraph. In his book. And I had this experience of like, wow, reading and words are more than the words. It's what's between the words. It's the frequency. frequency. Yeah. I'm so glad you said that Gina, because we read both, letting go and transcending levels of consciousness. And for those who haven't read the book. He writes a chapter on each, vibration or each state on the consciousness scale. So you'll have a chapter about grief. And as you're reading the grief chapter, you're going through a grieving process and understanding what it means to grieve. And then you read the chapter about fear and then you embody all the things that it takes to heal the various fears that you have. And you read about courage and you read about acceptance and you read about, reason and love. And I was reading the book and I was like, I can't wait to get to willingness. I'm like some of these other chapters, they don't feel so good. And I was like, okay, we're at courage that that feels better. let's get to willingness. Let's get to love Enjoy. it's and material. I feel like his books, Yes are based on his lectures and I've been to his lectures too. And, you know, have experienced them as well. But I feel like even though they're a combination of what he's lectured about, and it's transcription from that, to me, his books are very much like transmissions. You don't even have to necessarily understand a lot of what he's writing about. You just have to read it and feel it because It changes you vibrationally. I mean, I don't know how else to say it, but It's an initiation. It's like when you go to Mount Shasta and sit on a vortex spot in Panther Meadows, and your body just goes through a thing, you don't really understand what's happening. You might feel some things happening in your body, and then you maybe write words to process what's going on, Like Right like in the vortices in Sedona or, know, I was in Bosnia, the pyramid, like same sort of thing. Mm hmm. you but this was really interesting from the standpoint too, someone again, as a writer, that's really hit me this way because he was someone who was writing he was it feels like to elevate And hmm. No one had ever, consciousness And way nor did I know that anyone had even experienced what I was experiencing. So I felt this kinship with him was describing what I was going through and no one else in my because he did. like there's, no one that I could have turned to and said, Hey, you know, I had this crazy thing about this past life where, you know, I saw inside this person's body and I saw that, you know, it's not your normal dinner conversation. So, you know, you have Depends on who you're having dinner with. maybe yours it is. Not in my world at that time. you I feel like this was just all just coming out in, hmm. mainstream. You know, you had to find your tribe in order to Mm In the about it. his work is yeah popular right now than when he was alive is what I understand. Was it mainstream back then too? No, it wasn't mainstream, but in the spiritual community. And I say that sort of in quotations, because I think we're all spiritual. I don't think there's a spiritual community, but people who are interested in spirituality, he was, definitely a guru. You know, for sure. Again, his books, I think power versus force is what really put him on the map. because of his books That's beautiful. And, use the word transmission? What, do you mean by a transmission? So I feel that there are levels of consciousness and that, there's many energy, fields. Within us and around us and the planet and the cosmos and the universe has that as well. And that, again, like Hawkins talks about unconditional love, that purest frequency is at the very top. And I don't mean linearly like, Oh, it's up there, but let's just use direction as an example. It's at the very pinnacle of experience that we could have as beings. And from that standpoint, to me, it is the purest vibration. pure meaning it's untainted by anything, that happens on those lower levels of which we are a part of as well. that's what I try to, stay in coherence with when I am praying or meditating or even writing. I, call it the PVC pipe. I want to go directly up, to that purest frequency. When I think of a PVC pipe ABC pipe, it's completely like clear and pure and there's no obstruction to it at all. It's just, you turn on the water and the water just flows unobstructedly. Mm-Hmm. And so I envision that when I'm meditating or praying and that way you don't pick up all the dross, you know, that you could pick up on the way. down through the pipe. so what do I mean by transmission? It's like channeling that pure source energy, like actual creation energy and whatever you want to call that. Some people do call it God. Some people don't call it God. but that from which we came. We came from somewhere I think life and living as a human is so incredibly complex that I don't know,, who could have made this up other than a supreme being. That's how I feel about it. Hmm Wonderful and you mentioned to be able to tap into that, you visualize like that PVC pipe and it just kind of flows that way. Is that your practice to get into that space? are there any other tools or, Maybe you've always been connected to this kind of a space, but maybe one of the first ones that come to your mind, that, direct experience you had of like, Oh, this is actually flowing from that pure place rather than maybe, another place. Great question. That is a great question. I guess I had to, get over my Catholic self, my childhood Catholic self of like, what is prayer? And when I discovered meditation it was like, okay, I'm not praying to God. It's God talking to me. Like the trajectory was completely 180. and that's when I really got jazzed and interested. Like, I don't care what my higher self has to say. I want to know what does the creator want to say to me? that was, a very distinctive difference between prayer and meditation. So when I discovered meditation, I was all in, I mean, I, have been to many retreats, you know, Chopra's I mean, you, you name it, I've been to all the retreats and learned a lot of different types of, meditation. And I just kind of made it my own at some point where what I think I resonate with the most in my process is just, what would be referred to as a stillness meditation where I'm not chanting a mantra or invoking any, spirit guides or anything like that. I'm just getting into the void. I guess you could say where there's, pure, beautiful, luscious nothingness and just seeing what shows up. And so to answer your question though, when I started doing that again, writing was my tool. So I would get into that space and then I would sit down and I would write. This is also like just a trip on the time machine, but back in the nineties angels were really popular and so I thought, Oh, I'll try to channel my angel, And so I was writing and doing that. And at some point I did notice that the language was different. It wasn't me writing. It was some other influence on that communication process. and then I just kept taking it higher and higher and higher. Like, okay, so if, if I have the angelic energy come through. Then what is the creation energy that's going to come through and I started again, continuing to write and I've done a ton of what would you call it? Intuitive writing. I mean, that's, what I call it. And I used toctually give workshops and talks on how to do this, but that's the process is just, listening. It's really about listening. then after a period of time, a period of time being, I don't know 10 years maybe? I didn't need to write it anymore. it was just, in my consciousness. the other thing that was happening as I was opening up to this, energy healing path and working with different people and the healing arts, when I would meditate, I would see and still do, it's like a movie. Like I'm just watching not my imagination, it's not me, it's clearing out my own perception and my own, wishful thinking. It's again, going to that pure nothingness and then waiting to see what drops in and when it drops in, it's moving on its own accord. It's like a movie moving on its own accord and I'm just observing it. You know, Being like that quantum observer going past the void exactly. going into the place of everythingness, the quantum field, and then seeing what shows up today. Yeah. An optimistic skeptic. So, trust, but verify. Right. So I would always want to corroborate what I was seeing in this third eye vision with something in the 3d world. And so I would. Ask for that. And sometimes it was a synchronicity. Other times it was actual research, like I'd be given a name or something specific. And I didn't know what the heck it was. And so I would research it and I would be like, Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Okay, that. So that was important for me because I didn't think I was crazy. I knew I wasn't crazy, but I still wanted substantiated proof of what, I was tapping into because I learned too in being, on a healing path with that kind of work that when you open up to those higher realms, you open up to everything. It's not just love and light. It's you open up to everything and you have to be careful in a sense. You become a big receiver and whatever frequency you're tapped into as you're in that open space. You could be in that open space and any vibration on that Hawkins scale. fear base messages can come in anger and pride based messages can come in and it becomes a self perpetuating loop. Where you're just like the thinking and the feeling reinforced one another and something you said, about wanting that proof to come in in form because we live in this 3d matrix. And that's something that I'm also like, okay, I want to see a sign in my reality that I'm on the right track. And, with the work Clifton and I do, we oftentimes have found that. Like we tap into some unique process that we begin to do with clients. And then we discover someone like Dr. Joe Dispenza, who's been doing work with sigils and whatnot for a while and writes about the science behind it. And that's something that we've done in our process too. And then we point to that guy and be like, Hey, this guy has all the scientific evidence. So we bring them in as a subject matter expert. when someone that we're walking through our process is like, Hey, I need to see a little bit of proof and substantiation and what all you guys are saying. It sounds really great. I feel good in my body, but my logical brain wants a little bit of reasoning through it. So we just point to Dr. Joe. And that's why the work. that you do is so pivotal because that book encapsulates a lifetime of wisdom, of knowledge, of, transmission. And there's nothing more evident in the 3d than a hardbound book, it exists and you can point people to it and there's a story behind it and, a story behind the author. And, I'd love to talk about that yeah. You have these processes for how you write. Do you walk your writers through a similar process to tap into their creative spark and can anyone write? Can you teach anyone this process? I think you have to be very patient and learn to listen and sit with yourself to receive. So I'm curious about what that looks like when you work with them. Okay. Are you referring to when they come to me with a book project or just wanting to learn about intuitive writing or journaling Either or. Yeah. I was thinking of a book project,, any type of writing would really, would really work. So the person has to come to me wanting to write, they have to come to me wanting to learn how to, embrace their, highest form, whatever that is, of their writing communication. So, In other words, I don't work with people who say, well, I'm gonna write a book, but I'm just, I have no interest in writing. I just want this for my business and I'm, you know, wanting to just get this message out. that would be ghostwriting, that would be writing it for them kind of thing. And in some cases in the past I've done that kind of thing, but there are other people out there that I refer them to like, yes, you just want a book to have the book to get this message out, but. It's not a learning process for you. As a writer. So that's the first criteria is I want to be better at self expression or exploring my creative potential or that kind of thing. And the other thing I should probably say about the way I work. And again, I don't really know anybody else. I don't know any other editors that work this way, but I do use my intuition. Very, strongly through the process. It's not really evident to the client. I'm not saying, okay, now I'm getting a download.. , I basically just allow that wisdom, that knowledge to come through me very seamlessly as part of how I'm guiding the person. The other thing that happens is. and I've learned to do this over the years when I'm working with someone for the first time and they have a project, a draft of their book, perhaps I ask to have them print it out and send it to me. And I know that sounds really old fashioned, but it goes back to what we were talking about earlier about writing versus like typing because when I'm sitting and reading someone's project on the page for the 1st time, there is a very deep deep intuitive process that happens with me and through me, It's almost like I'm reading this person's essence or taking on their essence as a creative being and I'm able to, again, guide them from that standpoint. So I'm not telling them what to do. It's, it's really the project's telling them what to do. I'm just facilitating that, that conversation on behalf of the person who created the book. so that can be pretty darn magical, like that can really go into some interesting places with people. And again, that's why, it's not just an intellectual process. It's definitely an emotional process and a spiritual process for people. working on their writing and really getting to the heart and the core of what it is that they're trying to say, causing them to dig deep and to question themselves. And again, it's not me questioning them. It's like me questioning them back to them. That makes a lot of sense Yeah, as you're sharing, I just, got a download. No, but I got a visual of as you're describing it. Cause we, talk about the quantum view of reality and, there's standing wave forms of energy that you can tap into. And science goes into that with scalar waves and, more of the spiritual side talks about egregores and being able to tap into consciousness and that's one of the things that, we do is tap into the consciousness of the business entity that you are birthing and that is there and trying to be manifested in the 3d as you're sharing what came to me. It's kind of like you're tapping into the morphic field. Of the core intention of that consciousness and you're helping the writer be able to articulate it because there's that difference. Some things can get lost in translation from sort of maybe that etheric or higher dimensional plane. into words. And so that sensitivity towards calibrating the language with the frequency of the morphic field is such a powerful combination that I'm seeing you in your writing be able to apply just, fluidly. And, it's a really beautiful expression of how you can take something that might be more on like the woowoo side or the spiritual side and actually make it very practical, but also something that can steward the collective consciousness, for generations to come because it's embodied and encoded, in the word. That's a really brilliant way of putting it. Thank you, Clifton. Because that is really on a higher level. What is happening. It's goes beyond the individual in the sense that there is this morphic field. I refer to it as the information field or the quantum field and And I do believe that there are ideas, concepts, inventions, innovations floating around out there Mm-Hmm. and it's almost like, the higher powers that be that have our best interest at heart, the benevolent energy says, Oh, I've got a live one down there. I'm going to give that to her. I'm going to do that to him or, he's paying attention. And so, I think that's why you hear people say, Hey, I had that same chord progression for a song that I wrote,, in other words, what I'm trying to say is, I think many people can tap into the same idea, It happened in science a lot and a lot of things are named after the two or so people that came up with it. and so when someone comes to me with their project, I'm reading their project. Yes, I'm reading their words, but I'm also reading their project in tandem with this larger morphic field. And very often, information can come through that they may not even be aware of or have considered. And again, that's why it's really juicy and cool because I have fun with that too. I'm like, Oh, I I never thought of that. And indeed I didn't think of it. I was just holding the space for that information to come through. And it's really fun., it's really the word that I think most clients use when they leave a call where I'm talking with them about their writing in this way is inspired and I love that because you know the etymology of that word is in spirit. So that's meaning that the spirit is in you You've caught it. You've caught the spirit within you and That's what carries you forward in the writing process, because you need that to sustain yourself. If you're not inspired what you're writing about, you're probably just going to drop off from doing it at some point. I love that you went into the etymology of the word inspired. I hadn't thought of it that way, but also when people come to us, I'm not feeling inspiration. That just means you're not connected to yourself. Like go connect, man, go sit down, have a little meditation, go spend some time in nature, Yeah. It's the same as what the two of you do, you're creating this container for people to come into with incubating their businesses, but you're not really solely responsible for giving them the idea or giving them the inspiration or even the motivation to do it. It's really just, I think it's a big part of mirroring process with people. You know, like getting real on what it is that you want to do. A lot of people, don't know that off the top of their head. They need somebody to bounce those ideas off of and what we've done is we've also continuously woven in an interpersonal development process, an introspective process through that to be able to recognize it, not just as the form of an idea or of a business, but the substance of connecting to yourself of connecting to that, higher source and to be able to, create a new identity that is holistic and complete rather than fractured and compartmentalized, which we, see as a challenge, for, business creators to be able to actually. continue to tap into a sustained source of joy because they've fractured themselves in their identity, whether it be with work or health or relationships. And so to use the incubation term, not just for the product, but also for themselves to step into their future self that is fully embodied in that idea that they're stewarding. like they are the entrepreneur that has executed on this project or the writer that has successfully published that book in your case with the people you work with Gina and I'm sure in your work a lot of personal development goes into it. I'm curious, actually, what are some of the common blocks that you see from people having the word flow through them because like on our end with business, there's a lot of limiting beliefs that come up. There's the disbelief that you can actually do something that you love that can sustain you that can be profitable and that you can live every day inspired and joyful. I would love to hear what the people that come to you, what are some of those common threads that you see, common patterns, even sometimes self sabotage we see, we get in our own way from writing or from creating or executing on the roadmap of a business or the creation of a book. It's all one in the same. It is all one in the same. And, again, it's just what you said, Clifton, and we're not fractured beings. We're whole beings. So, when we fracture, that's when those blocks come up. and I wanted to say too, before I answer that question, I wanted to also add that, working with businesses and corporations and big organizations. I mean, really all they are, when you really look at it, is the collection of people, collection of souls working together. And so it's no different between , the entity of the organization the soul of the individual so when authors are blocked, the main things that I see have to do with conditioning in their upbringing, conditioning in their,, trauma responses from different things that have occurred in their lives. And so it's what you would expect. It's the classic, I'm not good enough. I'm going to be judged for saying this. yes, I'm going to be judged for saying this. I am going to be ridiculed for giving my opinion. Mm hmm. I see this especially with very credentialed authors that I work with, in the scientific community of like, Oh, I can't say anything. woowoo because I'll be denigrated in my, in my field , in my professional field, it's really self doubt, I guess that's what it boils down to. And that self doubt usually comes from something that occurred with that person in their personal or in their personal or professional life. I mean, it's kind of crazy to the point where some come to me and say, I'm writing this book, but I am afraid to say this or that, so well show me the manuscript and they haven't even written it yet, like, wow, you haven't even written it yet. You haven't written one chapter yet, but already you're blocking yourself by saying, I can't write this. Well, you haven't written it yet. it's right at the beginning of the process that these things occur. And so the person really never gets started. The other time that I frequently see this is with authors who love the writing process and find it very cathartic, find it very inspiring, love that the words are coming together. Love when we're finessing the language and polishing it and getting it ready. And, you know, for those who are self publishing cover design, it all becomes this beautiful package.. And they're super excited. And then on the eve of their launch or right before their launch, they panic. That's when they're, Oh my God, what am I doing? Was I crazy. Why? You know, it's, Again, it always goes back to being judged, like you said, Victoria, or. Not feeling good enough or not feeling worthy , we're good at looking at the worst that can happen in a situation. Right? But we need to get better at looking at what's the most glorious thing that could happen in this situation? How can it get even better? Yes. What's the best that can happen? Because that's just as much a potential. I don't mean we're talking about the morphic field here. That's just as much of a potential as. The thing that you're worrying about. So how did you get through it in writing your books, Gina? Your spiritual memoir is a very personal story. And then your most recent book with your poetry, The Essential Astonishments. How did you get through that, doing that process with yourself. Sometimes, we may need like an outside space holder that sees us in that highest light and as that version of ourselves. And a lot of times like what we can do for another is what we really want to help us. And sometimes it's helpful to have someone outside of you to help in that process. So how do you do your process? I'm curious, how do you get over all those things you help your clients with? yeah, those two projects are two very different projects. So, actually, right before I was about to share the manuscript for my spiritual memoir, I had a very, very different book in mind that I was writing. And, I might still write it by the way. cool idea. I just need to find time to do it. But anyway, I was starting to shop it to publishers and this and that, and it wasn't happening like quick enough for me. I'm a lot more patient now than I used to be. I was like, why is this not happening? Why is this not happening? At the same time, I was, going through this, top of my head sort of blew off during this time that I was working with this spiritual healer and having all these experiences and I was just writing about it in a word file, on my computer just to kind of keep track of it, which I encourage people to do, by the way, you can just write stuff and never use it. But if you don't write it, you won't be able to use it. So, I was doing that and then, really what happened was I was on a road trip and, I love music, so I always listen to, my playlist in the car or whatever, but on this road trip, I was instructed by, you know, on high to keep the radio off And I had with me, because it was a work trip, at the time, technology was a lot more, um, not as advanced back then. So I had an actual, tape recorder that I was going to use. And when I got in the car and started on this road trip, I was instructed to just start talking into it. And so I did. And, actually time warp too, which is a whole other subject, but, um, I, Went into this vortex of sorts, but I was paying attention to my driving. I'm a good driver, I got to my destination in like an hour and a half before I would, that is humanly possible to get there. Wow. And I had talked this whole time and threw it in my car and then like months later, you know, I was young mom at the time and, trying to find time to do my own things. And I Eventually listened to it and transcribed it. And I realized I had a book outline. Hmm. And so I just started parsing together pieces of these journals that I had written on word files, kind of like a jigsaw puzzle came together., and then synchronicity kicked in where I was invited to book expo, BEA down in Washington and went there and ended up meeting the editor who ended up sending it to a publisher unbeknownst to me and the publisher offering me a contract. So I mean, it's it's wow kind of crazy Mmhmm story that I couldn't have written myself. Haha. Um, the poetry book is distinctly different in the sense that I had no idea what this information even was. And maybe I will use the word download now, because,, the way this happened was, back in 2019 in May, I was waking up at three o'clock every night. And, they say with creative people that this is like the witching hour of, you know, Or if you talk about the brain, like the sleep patterns that we're in, like that period of time is really fruitful for this kind of thing. I think that's between three 30 to five 30 that fertile time the veil is very thin between this Dimension and the other so a lot of information can flow through and that's the best time to meditate At least when we were doing our strict Eastern disciplined meditation. yeah, that's why monks get up at four, right. And meditate right before sunrise. Mm hmm So this started happening where I would wake up and I would have a thought in my consciousness. And again you know not my first rodeo in terms of like listening and writing information. So I didn't really think too much of it. But this was different in the sense that I would just turn on my voice memo and say something and fall back to sleep and then wake up and then fall back to sleep. and I would do this for hours and this went on for months actually I had no thought about doing anything with it. I didn't know what it was. and then finally, I got around to, Looking at my own stuff. Cause I'm always reading everybody else's material, right? So finding time to read mine is, a challenge sometimes. So I started looking through it and I'm like, damn, this is really potent. And, it's not stuff that I would choose to write about, you know, about war and things happening on the planet that wrote about the pandemic. COVID hadn't happened yet. It was the year before. And so I have no clue what even some of this stuff was, but it was really about, , like we need to get over ourselves as humans. We really need to step up, to a new world, to the higher world that we want to create., But Some of the topics were, I don't know, political, I would say, social commentary. It's not my it's not my norm. So I didn't do anything with it at all for a while. And, and then one day I sent some of it to, she was an author of mine at the time. She's now passed. Beautiful woman. Oh my gosh, so cool. She's like a 60s hippie. Oh man, she just was, she rocked it. She was, Kerouac's On The Road, she was Bob Dylan, you know, she lived all of that and, was a poet laureate herself. And so I sent her, we were just on a call one day and I said, let me send you some stuff. And she gave me, I guess this is the piece that I want to really convey because this is important for people who work with writers, even myself, after all these years, she gave me feedback that was like, this is poetry and I'm like, but I'm not a poet. And she said, honey you are now like, this is Rumi-esque. You need to take it seriously. You need to do something with this. And if it wasn't for her saying that actually I dedicate the book to her, I probably wouldn't have done anything with it because I was, Again, like, what will people think of me that I'm talking about, peace and war and politics and these kinds of things. but yeah, finally I got the inspiration to do it and, the rest is history. The rest is poetry. that's beautiful. So I heard, you know, having someone just see you in that light helps with that transformation to fully lock in like, Oh, I am this. And oftentimes, as you said, like the work that we do can be a mirroring process and, at the core of it, it's, a bit of just, Asking for permission and receiving permission that you're giving yourself, to step into this new trajectory or this soul's calling. And I'm, curious what, has transpired with you since publishing that poetry? And I'd love maybe to see if you could flip to one and read it, if it's Rumi-esque, that's a high standard and would love to, be received in that transmission. Yeah. Still not sure I'm worthy of that, but that was the word she used. it's been really phenomenal. Essentially astonishing. What can I say? I mean,, taken taken me into a whole other world and that's what I think is important is that even even though we we may know what we're here to do and at an early age, I sort of knew what I was here to do. There's still many iterations of that that you can. move through. And as long as we're alive, we're going to keep growing and evolving. There's always more to know and more to do, right? So this was another, pathway, another stream for me to pursue. and it has brought me, I mean, I've always loved poetry. I'll just say that. I've always. Found value in, writing that conveys something so complex and dense in a few words. it just doesn't get any better than that. Emily Dickinson and, Walt Whitman. I go way back with that. And then the ecstatic poets, you know, Kabir, Rumi, Mirabai. You know, typical dead poet society. And then modern day, David Whyte, John O'Donohue, actually have met David Whyte a number of times and workshopped with him and stuff like that. so I've always had an appreciation for it. I never thought of myself as that. but why not again, it's like what I said earlier, the cosmos, the universe, the quantum field says, Oh, there's one down there that might be receptive to this. And so let's do something with her at three o'clock in the morning and, it was too, I mean, looking back on it, it wasn't something that I sort of willed to happen. I had no idea it was going to happen, but I was meditating and praying around that time Mm-Hmm. for the divine to show me, you know, cause I sensed it was 2019. Okay. It was before COVID but probably like the two of you, I sensed,, we're on the verge of this big shift. We're in the shift. I mean, the shift hit the fan, probably back in like, 1986 or something, you know, during the harmonic convergence, but we were moving more and more into it. And so,, asking that question as a matter of fact, one of the poems is called what is mine to do? It's like, what is mine to do? I know what I can do and I am doing it, but is there something else like you tell me what I should be doing? With my talents or my, the things that I've sharpened, in my professional palette. If you don't mind, would you read that poem for us, Gina? If I can find it, let me see. Perfectly on topic. Yeah. It is. And I really, love what you said, what is mine to do? Because especially when you tap into that higher, pure source, whatever you want to call it, the Visuals, the experience is so expansive that, the question then becomes, when you come back down or when you are a vessel in this dimension with its full constraints and body, where do you go? What do you do? And a lot of the patterns that I've seen within myself and our clients is almost an overreach of what they're trying to do because they're, connecting. To this higher vision, right? And so the frictions that we see with, clients and their companies is in this sort of role definition and,, almost a humbling of the ego, because it can be a bit of a prideful,, spiritual ego kind of thing to be so expansive. And then when you really do humble yourself and say, let me be a steward, what does that look like on the ground floor? And that's a huge thing. So I love that you're writing about this and so excited to, receive it. Yeah. Humility is incredibly important. I can't stress it enough. because again, if you're reaching for that pure space, can't get to it without that, said another way It transcends the self. there's no ego in it. It's really just asking and being willing to receive what comes down, which could be something completely different. Than what you're intending, That's why, you know, attention is really powerful. The process of intention setting and all of that, but this transcends even that. So it's not, the power of attraction at that point anymore. It's even purer than that. It's more refined than that, if that, makes sense. Absolutely. So this poem is super simple. And it is called, What Is Mine To Do? Calling inward to my soul, the time has come to resurrect. Sound the clarion bells above my head. Help me reach beyond myself to see the greater light. Sometimes I ache for the heart of this world. It weighs on me like a loomed skirt lined with iron. If there's something I should do, if something is mine to do, inspire my steps towards it. Open the window of my mind so I might see it. Release the shackles that bind me to sameness. Arouse my boldness to contribute the gifts wish bestowed on me before entry into this paradise lost. Wow. Awaken your creative potential with gina that really brings up that Psalm like the Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want, lead me to green pastures, things of that nature. It's just like so vivid and so poignant to this cultural time and really beautiful. I could feel it. Thank you. It felt like an activation in and of itself and like a beautiful prayer to begin any endeavor. Yeah. Like a good opening mantra before you embark on any creative work or project. It is kind of how I'm seeing it too. Yeah. it's more about receiving, you know, but, the asking part is important too, because I don't think that the spirit world, if you want to call it that, intervenes in our life if we don't give permission for that. I've heard healers say that all the time that, you have to give permission for them to intercede on your behalf. And so asking is, that's the important part about asking, but then after you ask, it's like, okay, bring it on. Are you willing to receive? Yeah. That was so beautiful. Gina, thank you for opening your book and sharing it with us in our audience. It was our first time hearing it too. So you get to hear our reactions live, which is really great and authentic. And we have one more question for you that we ask everybody that we interview. and that's what does human potential mean to you? I mean, it goes back to that question I asked when I was laying in bed as a kid, like, why are we here? and I do think that the meaning of life is to discover the meaning of life. And so when you're always open to, sort of knowing what you don't know, I guess that's how I would summarize it is to say, we know what we know, but I've always been really fascinated by What we don't know. And there's a lot we don't know. That's why even something like science is. up for question in some ways, because we know all that we know at that time, it's changed over time. And that's part of our evolution. same with spirituality, we maybe know more than we did, although the ancient wisdom traditions are pretty darn spot on, but to me, human potential just means being open to that, which we don't know. And having a really curious, open heart towards it and wishing everyone well with it. That's beautiful. I love the full circle, starting with that question in your bed as a child and here now. So this has been a beautiful exploration. Thank you so much for, joining us, Gina. And I want to do a special thank you to the Foundation for Human Potential, which makes it possible for us to put on this podcast. And where, can people find you, Gina? what, are you working on? And how can they get a hold of you? Every darn thing is on my website. It's just GinaMazza. com. G I N A M A Z Z A dot com. Everything's there. Lots to look at, listen to, hear and explore and read on my website. Yeah. And on Instagram too, at. ginamazza underscore poetry, which we'll link below and we'll drop a link to your book, which we got to hear one of the beautiful poems from Essential Astonishments. If you're interested in hearing and reading more click on that link and get your copy awesome Thanks so much for joining us. It's been an honor and a pleasure having this conversation with you. It's been a while since we connected. So it was great to do it on this podcast for others to take part in the conversation with us. So thank you all for, joining us today and we'll talk to you next time