NFL Trade News - Ep. 149

Justin and Ryan discuss two huge trades in the NFL as well as other news around the NFL.

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All right, and welcome back to another episode of the Purple Green Show. I am Justin here with Ryan. No Bobby this week. He's got something else going on. So uh lots of news around the NFL in the last couple days with the um June 1st uh deadline kind of flipping with the cap situation where they're a lot of so a lot of the um guaranteed money flips over and if you trade somebody or things like that, the dead money moves to like the following year or it reduces for this next year. Yeah, this it gives them it gives them another opportunity to monkey with their cap situation. Exactly. So there's already been two moves. Um one which we kind of knew was coming, the AJ Brown move. That did happen. Yeah, that was the people knew that was coming for start with that one. Yeah, yeah. Um just because that's the one everyone was expecting to have happen. AJ Brown was traded from the Eagles to the Patriots. Um the Eagles are receiving a 2028 first round draft pick and a 2027 fifth. Um, the better of New England's two fifth round picks in twenty next year. So the interesting thing is the first round pick is not this coming year. Yeah, especially push that out. Especially with this coming draft being such a big, you know, everybody's touting this draft. It's gonna be a really great draft. So it's interesting that they weren't able to get a first rounder in this next one. I'm assuming that's probably why. A big part of this year's draft, right? It's heavy quarterback draft. It's heavy quarterback, but there's I mean, there's just good players. Is there just all over the place? Wide receivers. There's a lot of really good players. I know the the one I've always heard is that it's a really good quarterback draft. It specifically for sure is that. Um, but it's supposed to be there's supposed to be a lot of other good talent as well. So what do you think of that trade? I I mean, I've had so long, I feel like to think about it, that it wasn't like, oh yeah, but I I think it's so I mean we we we like you said we've known that he was going to go there for a long time. Yeah, yeah. There was various, very highly suspected. It would have been shocking if you didn't. So I think this is the first time I've seen anything about what what it was for. Yeah, well, yeah, they never speculation rumors of the there was speculation they wanted a first and a second, which I don't think was ever gonna happen for a 29-year-old wide receiver. Yeah. Or a 30-year-old wide receiver, you know, wherever you want to put him at um age-wise, if he turns 30 later this year. While being very good, he's never never like the he's not really the top guy in the league either. He's he's a top 10 wide receiver. Yeah, I would say very he's probably even higher than that. He's probably more like top six. He's probably scratching top five. Top five. You know, he's right there. Um he's he's very, very talented. Obviously, he's been kind of a mouthpiece and a pain in the butt for the Eagles for the last couple years. Yeah. Um, so I I think ultimately for them, I don't think it's a bad thing. I can't imagine it's good for Jalen Hurts to have him constantly like chirping about wanting more targets and this, that, and the other thing, right? Yeah, he's a he was a pretty big team distraction, I think. Yeah. So I I mean it hurts obviously to lose a talent like that, but at the same time, I don't think it's a um I I just I don't think it's a bad thing for them. It will they will this will make the Eagles a little more interesting this year, too, because they are ditching the the top receiver method for just like quantity, you know, quantity. I mean, they still have Devonta Smith, who very well could be a top 12 wide receiver in the league. Yeah, he's he's scratching into the top 10 for sure. He's that talented. So But now now they're just picking up like a bunch of guys. They did they have picked up a lot of guys. So um behind that, um, they have uh what am I thinking of? Um well they traded for Dontavian Wicks from the Packers. Yep. Um they got another Packer wide receiver too, right now, didn't they? They did just pick, I believe Malik Heath, I think. Sounds right. I think they picked up I saw that they saw that they just signed another one. They did. So I think they picked up Malik Heath if I'm remembering correctly. They got what was it, Lemon from the draft? They drafted Mikhail Lemon in the first round. Yeah. So I mean, and they added another tight end in the first round, Eli Stour, or not in the first round, but in a later round, uh Eli Stours. Um so they have a ton of weapons still. It's so it's not like they're like, oh man, we hear we don't have weapons. They have weapons. It will be interesting to see if the if they can have an addition basically by subtraction, right? Subtracting your best wide receiver, can the key team actually get better without the noise? Which it sometimes that happens, honestly. And like this is more targets, this is more viable targets, right? Which like the you know, even like the best defenses can't cover six guys. Yeah. Well, and and so a lot of the you know, the they obviously two Packers guys have ended up there. Uh a lot of that has to do with Sean Manion is their new um offensive coordinator. So he was the quarterback coach for the Packers a couple years ago. Okay, so he was with the Packers, you know. He knows the guys. I mean, it makes sense that he would want people he knows and probably know his system a little bit. Um so I think that's I think that's good to go. You think the Patriots, you know, the Patriots gave up good value for him? You think the Eagles got good trade? I think it's a good trade on both sides. Yeah. I think I think it's a good trade on both sides. If you think about what they traded for him, I think back in 2022. Um I think it was either 2021 or 2022 when they traded. Yeah, from the Titans, they gave up a first and a third. So ultimately, I mean, not was a first that year in the draft because it happened during the draft. And the Titans turned around and selected Trey Line Burks right away. Um ultimately that was a bust. So obviously the Eagles got the better end of that deal. That's which just goes to show it's always kind of that's the question mark with the draft. It is, yeah. You could get an awesome player or you could get nobody. You could get a boat, it could be a boat. Could be a boat. Um but I so I think I think it's a good move for the Eagles. I mean, ultimately they got they got a Super Bowl out of him, two Super Bowl appearances. Yeah, yeah, I no, I I think that's that's pretty good value, too. Yeah, uh, I I wouldn't have given up that much for him at this point in his career, I don't think, unless if you're the Patriots, I would have gone, I would have really pushed for the second. But the fact that that it's a 2028 first, not a 2027, to me is kind of that win there in general. A lot a lot of team a lot of teams look at the draft as so a 2028 first is like a 2027 second. So like kind of like in comp like value-wise. Sure. So if you look at it that way, okay, they kind of did give up a second and a fifth in this coming draft, right? Yeah. So in that sense, you're like, okay, well, then then I'm I think that's right on par with what I was thinking his value was at. So it it's hard to know how each team values their future picks. Um, as for their team, I think it's a huge win for the Patriots. They they needed a number one, true number one wide receiver. They I they didn't have one. I mean, Romeo Dobbs was essentially their true number one right now. Yeah, no, it will and he maybe he could have done that. I don't know. This this will be an incredible boon for them this year. Yes. It's just everything you mean giving up first-round draft picks, yeah, you've got to be like you are giving up future players, you know, your future for this guy. They do have they still have next year's first. Yeah. Because they, you know, they give up a future, future first. Yeah, the 28. You know, like two years in the future. So um, I I think it's a huge boom for them. He also, AJ Brown is so he grew up a Patriots fan. Oh, is he from that area? I don't know if he's from the area, but that was his team growing up. Yeah, and and it also reunites AJ Brown was with Mike Vrabel when he got drafted. Mike Vrabel was the coach of the Titans. So yeah, yeah, yeah. And and Mike Vrabel didn't want to trade him away when they did, because he was still the coach when they traded him away. So I think ultimately AJ Brown probably fits well with Mike Vrabel because he he knows how to get the best out of him and the best attitude out of him, probably. Yeah, at least they're you know, they have history of communication. AJ Brown didn't have that problem with the Titans, he only had the problem with the Eagles. So you just wonder, you know, was there better communication? You know, I still I think Mike Vrabel's a much better coach than Nick Sirianni, personally. Yep. Um, I don't think Nick Siriani, I know he's won a Super Bowl. I get that. I still don't think he's a very good head coach. He is he is for sure a competent coach. Oh, for sure. Yeah, you can't you can't it's hard to win a super bowl without being competent. Yeah, it's just it's how much of the good of a front office and stuff from the players. I think Howie Roseman is is the best GM in the NFL, and that has a lot to do with how well their team has done in the last ten years. Yeah. Well, like you said, I mean they won a Super Bowl with two different coaches within ten years. Yeah, I mean, like he they they they they got AJ Brown, you know, they gave up a decent amount amount for him. They won a Super Bowl or two with him, and now they're just like you're gonna be able to do it. One super bowl went to another, yeah. Well, ship him back, ship him out again, like ship him out and basically get a first, you know. That's pretty good value. I mean, like you didn't lose much in that. No, you got a good time out of him in his prime too. Yeah, and still got picked back. Um, yeah. So I I think it was honestly, I think it's a good trade for both sides. Um, and I don't think it's a crazy price. If it was a 2027 first and like a third in 2027, I would have said, ooh, that's steep. Um, but ultimately, yeah, 2028 first and a 2027 fifth. I'm a little surprised that the that it was a fifth. I would have thought it'd be a little bit higher than the fifth round. I would have too. And that's why I say I'm like, that was that's a pretty fair price for New England. But again, he he is going to be turning, I think, 30 this year. So So how many more years do you have with them kind of thing? You maybe you get three to four good years out of him. Because he's still got a decent contract, too, right? He's got a hefty contract to him, yeah. Yeah. So I'll just pro and a con, I guess. We'll see. So the shocking trade that happened yesterday on June 1st. Miles Garrett has been traded. Yeah. No, I was so I was listening to um Adam Schaffner this morning on Undisputed. And so and we talked about this a few months ago. We didn't really make anything of it. I we I think we mentioned it was kind of weird. Um, but he deferred his money from March to later in the year, to right before the season started. And I I think we noted then, like, you know, the only reason to do that would be to get trade, you know, to make it easier to get traded. Yeah. So apparently Adam Schaffner at the time uh at that time had two sources come and tell him two people in the NFL currently, Miles Garrett's gonna get traded. Because of this. Like they wouldn't do this if they weren't gonna trade him. And then he reached out to the Browns and they're like, no, we're not trading him. Yeah. So I mean, even the Browns are even the Browns are saying now that they weren't planning on it. Which I mean, like there have been conversations clearly for a while. Oh, yeah. I mean, people were talking to him about it, but whether or not they were reaching out or not. Right. So the Miles Garrett, obviously two-time NFL defensive player of the year. And reigning. Reigning, well, set he currently holds he's reigning, yeah, defensive player of the year, and he holds the NFL sack record in a single season now. Just got that last year. So a guy in his prime, he's 29 years old. Um, I mean, like he's getting up there, but he is still but he's still clearly climbing into the city. He could have another three, four good years, really solid years. You know, usually they to the early to mid 40s or 30s, um, pass rushers can be still be stellar. Well, especially for a guy who's who's one of his main attributes is that he's so strong, too. Correct. I mean he's fast, but he's also just very strong. Yep. And he's been fairly healthy all of his career. Yep. So what what the what did the Rams give up? They gave up they traded him to the Rams. Yes, they traded into the Rams. Uh the Rams gave up two-time pro bowler, Jared Verse. Yep. Pass rusher. So they're losing a pass rusher, getting a pass rusher, and multiple picks. So those picks are a 2027 first-round pick to the Browns, a 2028 second round pick to the Browns, and a 2029 third round pick to the Browns. Now, the Rams almost never pick in the first round. They have traded away most of their first round picks over the last 10 years. Yeah, so the Browns are giving up Miles Garrett, and in exchange, they are getting another defensive end and three picks. A young defensive end, too. Jared Verse is uh three-year pro in the league. Yeah, he's he's only played two years. This is his third year coming up. He's only played two years. Yeah, I pulled up. Oh, but that's right, yeah. So and he's a two-time pro bar. He's been a pro bar of his first two seasons. So he's he's good. Like they're not giving up a um a sl, you know, slouch at no. He's a very good player. I feel bad for him because he went from like a Super Bowl contending team to, you know, the Browns. But the Browns have a lot of picks in the next couple years. Yeah, I mean, they are I mean, they are a team who could be very different look very different in a couple years. Oh, yeah. I mean, so well, Deshaun Watson, they'll be he'll be off their books in the next two years completely. So, I mean, we'll see where that goes. Um I'm gonna look at the Browns' picks here. Um the next three years. Yeah, sounds right. I think that's what I want to look at. So they have 11 picks in 2027. Um, so they have their own first rounder and a first rounder from the Rams. They also have two extra fourths, an extra fifth and an extra seventh. Um, and then in 2028, they have an extra second round pick from the Rams. Yep. And in 2029, they have an extra third round pick from the Rams. Okay. So they are one of two teams to have multiple picks in the first round next year in the 2027 draft where there's all these good quarterbacks. Yep. Those two teams are the Browns and the Jets. Two teams in e-quarterbacks. And the Jets have three picks. Oh, I forgot they had three. Yeah. I figured I thought I remembered they have two. They have theirs, which would be a good pick, I would imagine. Yeah. The Colts. And then they have the better of either the Packers or the Cowboys. Because the Packers are trading them the better of the two picks. So the the high the earlier in the draft pick. So they they're gonna they very well could end up three picks in the top 20. Could. Yeah. It'd be close. I mean, because even if you make the playoffs, you're still 18-19 is playoffs. Yeah. So I mean, I would imagine, unless the I mean the Colts could could be higher, but they're they're probably a mid-round pick. We'll see. I mean, it all depends on how the how Dan Daniel Jones comes back from his Achilles. Yep. But like the the Packers Cowboys could be more of a toss-up, but that's probably still early 20s probably. Probably. Yeah. I mean, I mean, and if I'll be honest, if there are seven if one of them's a seventh round or a seventh seed and loses in the wild card, it's the eighteenth or 19th pick then. Yeah, which is so I mean so that's in the top 20, then. Yeah. And and the you know, the Rams, same situation, right? Um so we'll see. I mean So how do you feel about that trade? It's a lot. I don't like it as an NFC, you know, team. Oh, okay. Well, because we gotta play the Rams. Yeah. So looking at it from the perspective, we gotta go through the Rams. We have to go to we have to go to LA and play them the week of Thanksgiving. Yeah. I'm like, great. When they played the Browns. He he destroyed a lot of teams. He did. But there's literally video of um Rasheed Walker yelling to Jordan Love, watch out. Because he completely missed the block and Miles Garrett ran right around. He's gonna get you. He's like, run, Jordan, run. He's literally yelling, run Jordan, run. He didn't even touch Miles Garrett. I'm like, it's like the most embarrassing film you can have out there. Run, just run. You know what? A potential future that would be truly terrifying. They've been talking to Aaron Donald. I know, he may, he may come out of retirement. And this is like they've been kidding me. They've been talking to him about like, would you come back? Because like, maybe. Up until the point Aaron Donald retired. I mean, he was the number one defensive player in the NFL. Yeah. And and then as soon as he retired, it was basically Miles Garrett right after that. Locked up. And so, I mean, you basically have the back to back, the two most recent. Yeah, because then you know if you know Aaron Donald, I'm sure he would he would probably take a sweetheart deal just for like a year or something, just when it's not a Super Bowl. I've heard a lot of talk that he'll wait till like middle of the season, like week eight or nine. Oh, okay. That way he doesn't have to play an entire season. But if they're rolling and doing well, like, hey, I'll show up for the last eight to ten games. Yeah, it's not such a wear on the body then either. 20 games, you know. True. So, I mean, we'll see. There's been there's been they've already people have already reached out to him, like, hey, are you thinking about coming back? I saw I saw a few different ones where there are people people reached out to him. Oh, yeah. So this trade was a little crazier for me. I was I was actually surprised to hear that. And then I I mean it's a steep price to have to give up Jared Verse, who's a two-time Pro Bowler. Um, he was also Defensive Rookie of the Year in 2024. I mean, he's a very, very good player. Um, I'm it's a really steep price. I mean, obviously Miles Garrett is better than Jared Verse is right now, yeah. But Jared Verse in in four years could be good. I mean, maybe he's not the exact same, but he could be almost as good or at least be dominant for a couple years in that sense. Yeah. So I you know, and and they they exchanged it mean they got a worse player, at least currently, they got a worse player, but much cheaper. What way, way cheaper, yeah. And on his rookie contract still. Rookie contract for another two years, I think. Uh yeah, he was a first-round draft pick. He was their like one first round draft pick outside of the guy they just took um in the quarterback, um Ty Simpson. Yeah, Ty Simpson. Um, who they took, you know, in at the 13th pick this year. Um, but yes, uh this trade's kind of crazy to me. I I have a really tough time valuing this one because obviously the Rams get Miles Garrett. So then you're like, okay, well, how can you not warrant whatever you you know paid? Yeah. It's really like what is what is is what is Jared Verse worth compared to Miles Garrett? Is he half of it? Well, right. And the hard part for me is you you go and look at it and you're like, okay. It it you can't really value what you can't really value what the Browns got until a couple years from now. Yeah, because you don't know what they'll get with those picks. One, you don't know what they're getting for the pick. It's a 2027 first, which is who will fall at those picks too, even right. That pick, and then does Jared Verse get even better? Because if he gets better, then they got a great deal. Because honestly, for the Browns, they don't need a 29-year-old pass rusher right now. They are not trying to win right now. Yeah, well, that and they they don't really care to need to be spending that money either. Well, yeah, it's 40 million. They can use that elsewhere, they need to use that elsewhere. Yeah, because they yeah, for a team that's not doing very well, they don't have a ton of cap room. They don't, they're well, they're saddled with Deshaun Watson, but that'll come off the books here, you know, soon. So they very well could be moving forward, you know, in a much cleaner space. I don't know if this has been cleaned up or not. I was looking at over the cap. I mean, the Browns the Browns have 18 million right now, so I don't know if Miles Garrett's off that or not. Um he must be, yeah. They they updated that because he's not in there anymore. He's not one of their top players. Correct. Um, but next year they now have 44 million dollars, 44 and a half million dollars, which I believe at one point they had like nothing. So I think that's a that's a huge deal. Miles Garrett will still cost them 25 million next year, to be clear, on dead cap. Yeah, but that's better than the probably 40 some million he was going to cost. Yeah, and I mean you always they always knew you were gonna have a few rough years yet for cap because of Deshaun Watson. Right. Until he gets comes off, you know, you're it was always a little gonna be a little shaky. Yeah, I yeah, exactly. You had to be you had a plan for that anyway. Yep. Yeah, and and and so Miles Garrett cap number doesn't get crazy until a few years out now. But yeah, so I mean so he is he'll he was 31 this last year. I'm sorry. Uh he's older than I thought he was. He'll be 32 this next season. Or 2026. No, I'm sorry. He'll be 31 this year. So he's 30 right now. Sure. So um yeah, so I mean What do you think this does to the Super Bowl chances? They're now the favorites. Rams are the favorites. Just no doubt. Just well, like for the actual odds. They're right, they are the favorites. Are they your favorite now? They were already up there for me, in all honesty. So yeah, I know when we were when we were picking, we're not. I think we all had them pretty high. I'm trying to remember if I had no, I think I had did I have an all LA Super Bowl? Dog's digging. She does it all the time. Trying to find what's underneath? Making a bed, maybe. I don't know. Hold on. I gotta see who I picked again. Because I I want to say I went Chargers Ramps. You might have. That sounds right. Like I feel like I did. Come on, open. Um where did we put them? Uh I had tough divisions. I don't even know if we have to. I had the Chargers beating the Rams. So you had the Chargers winning. I had the Chargers that that might flip now? I mean, what you know, Miles. That's a pretty big deal. That that that might be enough to like sway it a little bit, like, oh well. Yeah, and then sprinkle in a potential Aaron Donald on the other side. Right, exactly. Um, but yeah, so that I mean that's I already had them going to the Super Bowl. Um you had Seattle winning the division. Mm-hmm. I assume I must have had them in the wild card though, right? The Rams? Yeah. Um, you did have them as the five seed. Yeah. So you had them pretty high. I I gotta imagine you probably flipped them as the division lead then. Probably. I mean I think Seattle is still gonna be good, but yeah, I think I think this puts the puts them over the top. Yeah, I feel like it just has to almost. They got that much better. And they didn't really get worse either. No, it's not like they gave up a lot of players or you know, a bunch of players. They gave up Jared Verse, which they replaced with a better player. He's older, but he's better. So right for right now, anyways. So it's a crazy trade. I I I mean, I th I think it was the right move for the Browns. I I'm kind of surprised they didn't trade him sooner to be honest, because they it just didn't make sense. Well, the the problem is it didn't make sense for them to be paying Miles Garrett forty million a year when they're not contending. It's tough because you gotta sell jerseys of something, right? You do, you do. But uh Yeah, give the fans a reason to show up. Here's what you're given the reason for you're tanking, so you can go try to get Arch Manning this next year. Yeah. You know, and then guess what? You're selling jerseys for Arch Manning. Guaranteed. Yep. So Yeah, you're what you're you're taking the hit this year. But I mean, I'm I'm I don't know any I don't know any Browns fans, luckily. I don't either. Because I'm sure they're all sad all the time. You're probably right. But they gotta be kind of happy about this, right? I mean, I'm sure you're sad to see, you know, a really great player leave. Because there's he's fun to watch. Yeah. But at the same time, you've got to think, all right, this set this sets us up. Our team wasn't gonna compete anyways this year. No, the best you were gonna hope for is middle of the road. Yeah, you're hoping for which honestly you probably don't even hope for that. Because you're hoping the 12th pick, maybe? Yeah, because you want a better pick. You know, not quite in the playoffs, but like just outside, maybe we had a hope for up to like week nine or ten, and then it kind of fell apart, like type of thing. Yeah, you should you're hope you're hoping to be competitive in games. Maybe you had a good start to the season, and you're like, oh, maybe, and then it falls apart. Like, I don't know. I just I guess unless Shadur like took a massive step forward and he ends up being the starter. Yeah, maybe, but I just still don't see you know that being Yeah. This this trade is, I mean, like I get it that the Rams are trying, they're going for the win here. They're going for the win. They know they won't have Stafford for much longer. They are an all-in team, but especially because they just drafted Simpson too. Well, and and apparently they also looked at as like, hey, we think we have our quarterback of the future. We don't need a first round pick in next year's quarterback heavy draft. Yeah, let's go get a guy that can help us now. Oh, they also have they also have good receivers and stuff. They have good they have very good receivers, position players. Yeah. You know, absolutely great. Even running back, they're still good on, right? They have Kyron and um um they corn, they still have Coram. Coram, Blake Coram, yeah. I want to say barrel, and I was like, not barrel, it's bear yeah, Blake. I was kind of mixing the names up together a little bit. I was pulling a Bobby. Yep. But yeah, um that one was the shocking trade, and I I think it's really cool um and fun, fun to see. I wish it wasn't to the like a team the Packers play this season, or will have to go through to the Super Bowl, but yeah. Unfortunately, yeah, they do. And so honestly, this is gonna be one of those years that you really this is one of the times you really care about your playoff like uh position too. Because odds are this puts the Rams probably at the number one seat in the NFC. Probably, yeah. You really don't want to be at the bottom of the NFC, you don't want to play them first. No god, no. Not well, so not to mention, again, the Super Bowl is in LA, right? Yep. So ultimately the Rams could have do what the Seahawks basically did, all you know, home field advantages until the Super Bowl. Unless it would be through the Super Bowl. Yeah. So um which I mean, like I know the the the fans at a Super Bowl is their whatever. It is, it's not the same, but even if it's in your hometown, you don't have to travel, which you sleep in your own bed that night. It it it is a much easier uh pill the stomach to not have to pay for a flight and a hot and a hotel. Yeah, and all you gotta do is pay to get to the game, I guess, from your to city and like you know, Uber or whatever, and then go home and pay for you. I mean, tickets expensive, don't get me wrong. Cheap side, you're probably looking at three grand person. But yeah, so that's why like the the fans at the Super Bowl are always just a hodgepodge of whoever. It is, yeah. It's never really any one group of fans. I I bet though there's a lot of Rams Rams fans buying tickets right now. Oh yeah. Or trying to get tickets. I'm sure that all tickets are gone already, but still. Well, the crazy thing is, so think about the think about the playoffs. If both the Chargers, so let's say the Chargers win their division. Mm-hmm. It means they're gonna get at least one home game. Yep. Okay. Well, if the Rams win their division two, and they're a high, they're both high. Let's say they both end up being higher seeds. Yeah. If like if neither team gets a buy, but they are both still very high seeds enough to get home games. But you you're gonna have to try to schedule these. The NFL's schedule is not is gonna be a nightmare. Because you're gonna have to like, all right, one day we gotta flip over the field for the next day, and then every week you're gonna be doing that until one of them's out. Or one loses all the way to the other. Guaranteed one's one's always gonna be on Saturday, the other one's gonna be Sunday. Pretty much, yeah. Kind of have to. I mean, but that would be it, it's just gonna make it really interesting for them to try to plan all that. So we'll see. We'll see where that goes. Um, some other news though. Um Yeah, but I I think this is I think this is a probably a good trade for both sides. Yeah, I I it feels like you're giving up a lot for the Rams. Yeah. But it's just it's what what do you value as the um for you to for the Super Bowl odds? Yeah, I I see honestly, I see I see both of those, both of the really big deals as good deals for both sides, honestly. Um you know, and and obviously that's usually when it makes the trade happen, but like but sometimes you you you know the initial assumption is like, wow, why'd they do that? So I I I don't really feel like that for either side. So um, so Drake London just got paid shortly before we started the podcast tonight. Yep. Um he has agreed to a four-year $141 million contact extension that includes a hundred million guaranteed, um, and it can be worth up to $150 million. So his average annual salary be $35.25, which puts him at third among the league's highest paid wide receivers, just above Justin Jefferson. So um the real question is who's gonna be the quarterback this year for him, but we'll see. Uh last year Michael Penix hyper-targeted him. Yeah. While Michael Penix was in there. When he went out, um, it was not as good for Drake London um with uh Kirk Cousins. Um so we'll see. I guess two is the other quarterback there, so I don't know if Michael Penix will be healthy to start the year or not. He there's talk he's supposed to be. I mean, two would never really hyper focused anyone, but he he always fed his wide receivers though in Miami. I I always question though, was it was that a product of Mike McDaniels? Like a scheme kind of scheme, or was that a product of the player itself? The player himself. Um just not really sure. Uh, and then I think wasn't there another guy that got paid? Um defensive players. Yeah, there was uh Nick Herbig agreed to a four-year hundred million dollar extension with the Steelers. Yep. Um and Seahawks which is a little surprising because we we had talked about them potentially throwing because their defense is getting so expensive. Right? Didn't we talk about the Steelers? Yes. Didn't we talk about them potentially maybe trying to like some sell out some of your defensive players because it's getting so expensive? Apparently that's not what they're they are not going to do that. Nope. Nope. Um the Seahawks pay Derek Hall agreed to do a three-year $42 million extension. So um and then there was some what was that? Uh somebody got hurt. What was that? Eagles first rounder it said, but I think they could find that now. There. Um Tuesday with a sleeve on his right leg due to a hamstring injury. So that's a it's a little early for me to care about hamstring injuries. I'll care when August comes around. Yeah, once it gets into the preseason and stuff like that. Yeah, then I'm like, okay. Yeah, if they're still limping. Then it might linger, then you get a little worried, and you're like, eh, okay. Kind of crazy, right? Um so I was curious today. So I was taking a look, um, kind of where the Packers' salary cap is at, right? So now that we've kind of flipped over June 1st, like people have got Packers have access to more of that money, like the Nate Hobbs and the Brandon McManus. Yeah, those cuts were post-June 1st, so those allowed them a little extra money this year. Yep. Um, so the Packers have $25.8 million left this year. Um, there's obviously a few players we've talked about multiple times to get extensions. Christian Watson and Tucker Kraft are the two big ones. And then potentially Devontae Wyatt as well, the defensive tackle. So we'll see if the Packers get any of those done in the next couple weeks. Um uh Josh Jacobs was back at practice, he has been released from jail, or which is good. Which is good. Um, the at least good for the Packers team. Yeah, you know, notwithstanding what he potentially did. Yeah. Um, no charges have been filed currently. Um, they are still reviewing doesn't mean they won't. No, they are reviewing more evidence or potential evidence, I should say, um, to determine if they're going to file charges yet. So we will see where this goes. Um my guess, my guess is the NFL is not going to do anything until at least they've decided if you know, if if the police are gonna have decided if they're gonna file charges or not, or whoever's gonna file charges, right? So we'll see that first. If they decide not to file charges, he still could get suspended for some time because of the bad publicity and the whatever being in the new, you know. The NFL do it will do its own investigation at that point. If they if they deem he did even anything wrong, they don't have to meet the letter of like charging somebody criminally. No, they just have to be like they don't really care if if you're guilty or not, they will hit you if they feel like they should. Did you do enough to damage the reputation of the NFL? Yes, you're suspended. Yeah, like it's as simple as that. Would it would it look bad if we didn't? Yes. Correct. You're punished. And then that's kind of where they've fallen to now. So um I would not be surprised if there's some kind of suspension at some point to him. Now the real question will be you know, depending on how long it takes them to decide to file if they're going to file charges or not, because the NFL will likely wait until that's done, unless some very egregious evidence comes out and is made public. Um and if and if they're deciding not to, then the NFL will do its own investigation and try to get some information. Now, at that point, I don't, you know, are we in August at that point? Are we in September? You know, the he may not be suspended until somewhat into the season. It may not be at the beginning of the season at this point. Oh, yeah, he could be the middle of missing. Who knows? Especially because like with like any kind of legal issue, it will take a long time to figure out like for this this to fit finalize. Yeah, well, it'll it's all gonna depend on if they file the charges. Like that's the first step. Yeah. Because if they don't, then the NFL will jump right in and start doing their thing. Yeah. If they do decide to file charges, it'll depend on what those charges are. And then the NFL will probably start determining at least what they think they're going to do. Sure. So we'll see. Um, yeah. But so looking at I was looking at some of the cap, especially the ramifications of some of these trades and all that kind of stuff, right? I was kind of curious where things were settling out. Because like we discussed last week, there are still veteran running backs available. There are. And that's you know, um, it sounds like Alvin Kamara may get cut. Oh, you could have heard that one. So you could potentially just pick up Alvin Kamara for nothing almost, you know, a veteran minimum contract. Yeah. Which would be a good deal for the Packers. He's he's a good weapon. That'd be a great stop kill. I'll be honest, if even if he gets cut and Josh Jacobs isn't suspended or something, he still wouldn't be a terrible pickup. No. Because he's a very good receiving back. And not that Josh Jacobs isn't, but it's not his specialty. So I saw a I saw a funny thing. It was like, I can't remember what the what the what's the backup uh Green Bay's backup running back name? The guy who never who hasn't really played much at all yet. Chris Brooks. Oh, Martian Lloyd. Yeah. They were like, yeah, he's already like kind of sitting out of practice. It's that's a nothing. It's a nothing thing, but it was just kind of funny because he's always he's always got he's always kind of been hurt. I don't expect him to play at all. Oh, not at all. I I he's never played really. So at this point, he was this is his third season. I'm like But I mean, they must like him enough that they keep him. Well, he had he was Uber talented in college, so yeah, but I mean the the the coaches must like what they've seen from him in practices and stuff that they that he hasn't been cut. He was an early enough draft pick where they're not willing to just like bail on him because of nothing. And and honestly, if he's hurt, they can just put him on IR and he doesn't take a roster spot. Yeah. So it doesn't hurt to keep him through the contract at that point. Like you're not gonna cut a guy just because he's getting hurt. It hurts a little, not a lot. Yeah, I mean, it's an IR spot. I mean, guess you're paying the guy, but yeah, other outside of that, like I don't know, it's chump change at that point. He's a rookie on a rookie contract for a running back from out of the what the second or third round. It's not that much money. Yeah, it's not it's not hurting you hurting them much. So they don't really I mean who really cares. So, but what's interesting is so I went to go look to see who has money next year. Packers have 26 million, so they're basically even with what they got left this year. Obviously, they can carry over some money to next year if they didn't use it all. My guess is sure they will. My guess is they'll just pay Christian Watts. You know, the the whole Watson Tucker Kraft deal will involve money from both both years, and then yeah, yeah, whatever. But they do have a pretty full roster already for next year. So ultimately, they don't I mean they've got 51 players signed next year. So that's a pretty good chunk. You need 53-man roster, so yeah, that's yeah, 90 90 some percent right there. Yeah, I mean, you've you've pretty much got your full roster, so it that part's not crazy. At least there's not a lot more coming where you're like, oh, gonna have to sign like five guys yet to make a roster, even so that that's the good news. Um, they only have 9.6 million currently in dead cap next year. Um the Lions, Vikings, uh Bears are sitting with less cap next year than the Packers, 14 million. Um the Vikings are sitting with 46 million next year, uh 12 million dead money. Oh, outside of I think that's knocking it down some. Lions have 47 million. So the thing for the Vikings is you have to remember 46 million, yes. But if they decide to sign to sign Kyler Murray next year, that's a lot big chunk of that's a big chunk of that money. Um obviously you can structure it in different ways, but you know if they if that's the route they decide to go. That is taking a chunk out of it. It's going to take a chunk. Obviously, ChJ McCarthy would still be on a rookie contract if you know that's going there. I've seen rumors that he wants out now. I was I was just reading about that actually while you were talking. No, I've seen some I've seen some that there was there was one of the some GM was anonymously saying like he's heard that he's he was he wants out already. Doesn't shock me. I mean, it doesn't sound like the Vikings really want him. I got a I got a funny like interview question that he that he that he they were posed, pulled up to. Do it. I already know it. I think I already know it. Go for it. Okay, okay, yeah, okay. So the same question was posed to Kyler Murray and JJ McCarthy. Okay. And Kyler Murray had a very good answer. He did. Whether or not he was honest about that answer, you know, it's it was no matter what it was a good answer. But he was well, well, well thought out and well spoken for it. Yeah, yeah. Let me get back to it. Um, so they were asked. What thing what's it like being in the room? Yeah, having the other person. But more of it. Murray said, you know, I'm paraphras, I'm gonna paraphrase. He said, it's been great, you know. He's a younger guy, he's you know, I'm there to help him, yeah kind of stuff. You know, it's great being able to, you know, bounce back, bounce ideas back and forth and all that. Prototypical, very standard, very good response. Yeah, I mean, uh that's what you want your quarterback to say, though, too. You don't want to stir up anything in the locker room. Even end it, ended it with again, we're both competitors. I know we both want what's best for the team. Yeah, right. Which is like exactly what you're supposed to say, exactly what people want to hear. Yep. Um whether or not it's true or not. Margie was also asked how McCarthy may take criticism or coaching from a veteran like himself. And he said, like, yeah, he's great. He's asked questions, stuff like that, so it's been good. And then JJ McCarthy was asked the same question, or at least a very similar one, and he responded with, It's just like two guys in a classroom. He sits on one side, I sit on the other, and it's the coach's responsibility to teach us and coach us. Which is baffling. Yeah, it's just not a good response. It's not terrible. Because then they then they asked the follow-up about if there's any awkwardness between them. And he was like, No, it's like it's the same when you're in high school, which again is like I get he's young, but that feels really young. Yeah, you go back to it's like high school. I'd go with college, maybe. And there's another person on the other side of the room. It's just kind of how it is. So I wouldn't say there's any awkwardness. I would that sounds awkward. That sounds that's such a terrible answer. That that answer, literally, that scenario that he describes sounds awkward. Well, I mean, like, that's just like, yeah, I know there's a guy over there, I don't care. Right. It's not I don't care anything about him. It's like that you're not like working as a team then. Right. I I just don't see I don't know. Like all the best starting quarterback, backup quarterback like relationships. Yes. You mean the starting quarterback comes off, the backup quarterback's right there, and they're going through the playbook and stuff. Yes. Yeah. They don't see that happening. Even if they're not buddies, they are working together. Well, yeah, you're trying to win the game, you're you know. JJ McCarthy's answer was just like, yeah, he's just a dude. He's over there. He sits over there by himself, like he does his thing, I do my thing. Yeah. We just do it. That's not right. That's not that's not your It was such a bad response. It's so bad. It's baffling. I mean, like, I mean, who knows like what Murray, like we said, what what is Murray's actual like feelings on it? I'm sure Murray doesn't like like him. Yeah, probably not. He wants it to job. He wants the job, he wants to win the job too. But he gave a very professional answer. Right, exactly. And JG McCarthy blew it. To me, it really it shows a lot of immaturity from JJ. And maybe it's you know, you could spin it. Well, he's just such an Uber competitor that, you know, it's like, okay, fine, but there's a mature way to be a competitor, and then there's a not mature way. Yeah. You know, I mean, Tom Brady, you know, a lot of people say he was the ultimate competitor. You never heard him say something like that. He always still gave like competition. Political questions. The appropriate answer. Yeah, exactly. So there's there's a point to competitiveness, and there's a point to maturity and being able to handle yourself in the situation you're in. It's one of those things, too, like he was on, he was the quarterback for Michigan, you know? Yeah. A big school. Very big school. Plenty of time talking to press. Press and and not to mention quarterback competition. Yeah. I'm sure they had maybe not because I don't think he started right away when he got there. You know, I would have to have Bobby here for a question. I'd have to look. Bobby knows all about college football too. So he's his knowledge is much more than ours. But it's just it was it was baffling how bad of a response that was. Yeah, it just it was not good. Yeah. It's one of those things you just don't hear, even if people actually feel think that way. Right. Yeah, like I'm sure Kyler feels similar issue. Yeah. It's like when like there's like the halftime interviews in like a football game where they're, you know, you know, one of the reporters is like talking to the coach, it's like, what do you think we need to do to get ahead of this game? And like every time I always wanted to want them to say, We just need to score more than the other. Which is the answer, but it's not the correct answer. I know. So even even you know, Belichick always gave the correct answer. I know. Even he never would have to play better defense. Yeah. But like, which yeah, like, okay, that's that's you know, that works. Like, I should be like, yeah, we just need to score more points than them. Yeah, I'm gonna give away my uh game. I'm gonna give away my game halftime changes here. Uh we're gonna try to do this and this in the second half. Yeah, make sure the other coach hears this before that when I come out so they can plan. Yeah, play if you could play this over the over the kill with the yeah, the Vegatron, that'd be great. Like, obviously, I'm not gonna give away my game plan for the second half. I'm sure I've thought of ideas along the way. And it's always the generic question response. Yeah. Because that's just that's what you're supposed to say. Yes. And just somebody did not tell J.J. McCarthy what he was supposed to say. Clearly not. Clearly not. So uh what I thought was interesting though, looking at this, was the teams at the top with the most money. Okay, yeah, yeah. Let's go back to that. Yep. So this this is gonna change a little bit because one of these teams just signed Drake London. Oh, sure. We'll see. But the Dolphins are number one. Number one on this list, with a hundred so this is for next year with 132.8 million dollars. That's actually pretty impressive. I would have thought they would still have more dead money. They have 56 million in dead money. Ooh, on top of that, still have no, they still have 132 million money. Jeez. I know. I would have guessed that that 130 was was before dead money. The the salary cap guesstimate, right, for next year is 327 million. Okay. Their cap the they have like half of the cap available, sort of. 137 is active cap spending is 137 million. Their cap space available is 132 million. Technically, it says effective cap because they got to fill roster spots. It's like 121, but so they could almost double their team. Pretty much, yeah. So, I mean, you clearly they're a team rebuilding, right? Yeah. Which we uh we knew. Cardinals, second, 128 million. And they only have 7 million in dead cat money. So they're spending a little bit more than 20. That's a quarterback issue there, too. It is, they don't have a quarterback that they're paying. They're not, yeah, they're not paying a starting quarterback. But the Dolphins, I mean, they're not paying a lot, but they're paying like what, 25 or 30 million? Which really highlights to show that they have no one else. They do not know. There's no one else on that team. Um, the Falcons have 20 125 million. Now that will change, obviously, with the Drake London contract. I don't we don't know how that breaks down. Yeah, you got the rookie, rookie uh quarterback. Rookie quarterback, though, but still it's a quarterback on a rookie deal. The Jets have 94 million. Kind of crazy there. Um even as bad as they are, I kind of expect them to be lower on the list. Yeah. You know, again, I know they're not paying a starting quarterback money, you know? Yep. But like they've they've spent money on their team. Yep. Oh yeah. Um the next is the Rams, but I that's a good thing. That's gotta be changing, right? Well, I thought Mass Gaffer just to signed a one year extension. Didn't he just sign an extension? Last year, right? No, no, no. Like he signed one last year, but I'm pretty sure they just gave him more money. Oh. I thought they just gave him a contract extension. I know they were like they were in the last year where you kind of shopped around to see what his bad. Stafford signed a one year $55 million extension with the Rams in May of 2026, keeping him under contract through 2027. Okay. Okay. So he should be under contract. He that is not in there. So I'm surprised that's not in there, you know, because if it was in May. I am too. Uh uh, because it still says he's void for next year. So I'm guessing that goes up. Yeah. He still has a cap number in here for that year, but push the money out of it. My guess is that we'll eat into a bit of that. Um if you got a $55 million extension for next, you know, next year. Um that's all new money. So my guess is I mean, they I'm sure they spread it out. He's got void years going out to 2034. Yeah. But cap numbers end in 2027. That's encouraging for them for in future years. Yeah, they're not saying terribly, but especially if they do well this year, I'd be shocked if he comes back. If they mean if they win it, or you uh even if they do really well. You don't think he'll come back? If they make a deep playoff run, I don't know if he's coming back next year. Oh, I think they I mean he just signed a contract extension through next year, so I gotta imagine he's gonna play next year. I think he plays next year. Unless he unless he has another injury problem with his back or something. Like to be fair, he is like one hit away from being done though. Yeah. I mean, unlike where he's at with his age and you know, career, like he's 38 years old. Um, one big hit, he he will be just done. Yeah, so we'll see. That that that'll be the interesting part for sure. Um yeah, so that's kind of the top teams like next year, you know, money-wise with things moving around now. Um any other news you had or um Daniel Jones, because we talked with the Colts. Yes, we did meet. He was he has been cleared for seven-on-seven work. Oh, well, that's promising for sure. I don't know what the distinction is from just regular practice to that. Well, seven on seven. There's no he is cleared to do some practices. So like he is on his way, he is on his way to come back. So that that incre that gives you encouragement for them for next year. Um I thought the Giants had some uh injury news as well. They they signed some people. So yeah, there is some Giants injury news, actually. They had a charity softball event this last weekend. No, but okay, so I'm going somewhere with this. So the two big injuries for them are Malik Neighbors. Yep. Okay, um, who has the had a torn ACL, right? But he had more done in there. So he did he go back? So he waited a month after he tore his ACL to have the surgery. Okay, had the surgery, and then in February he had a follow-up procedure, yeah, having more work done on the knee. So so he's just three, four months removed. So he was out there playing. I mean, it's chair, you know, yeah, it's pretty pretty weak, low impact kind of yeah. Yeah. So apparently when he was running the bases, he was, I mean, I don't know if we want to call it running, he was limping around the bases. Which I'm like, that's not promising when you're supposed to be playing football in three months. Yeah, which kind of that's not a good sign. Odds are he is not starting, he is not starting the year then. Well, and that's that's really the concern. And I'll be honest, I mean, he tore his ACL like week two or three. So I mean, you were hoping he was gonna be back week one. Now, on the more positive news for the Giants, the Cam Scadaboo injury, he fractured his his fibula in, I believe, late October, early November. I don't remember exactly the week, but it was somewhere in that range. He also played in the charity softball. And on the first pitch, he hit a home run, ran around the bases, and did a backflip before he uh touched home base. That was that was the bit I remember seeing is that he's Cam Skyward did a backflip. He did his patented back backflip. Yeah. Apparently he also bought himself a grill. He's planning on playing still then. I will tell you, oh, he's he he came out just for those fantasy football people that are out there, right? So he did the math on his based on you know his number of carries and the yards he had when he played this last year, right? Okay. And he fact, you know, I played this many games, you know. I figure if I play 17 games, I should go for like 2200 yards. And I'm like, all right, man. Okay. That's a lot. But I was just like, I I I just I love his like stupid confidence. Yeah, it's awesome. It's a good thing. I was gonna say just blind confidence, but stupid confidence works. So I I've I've also heard like other people like interviewed about him. Like, how is he in meetings? They're like, you always know he's there. They said basically he's always got something to say, which he's shouting out like he's always I don't know, it's why everybody loves him. It's isn't it kind of fun? Because we were like, we were just kind of I was just kind of harping on on McCarthy, you know, doing immature for for a response and stuff. And Scottam is clearly immature. He is clearly immature, but it's like it is one of those things the quarterback is supposed to be the leader of the team, but it's also in a fun way, though. Like it's not in a like a everybody sucks, I don't like him. Yeah, true. That is true. You know, it it's in a positive fun way, not in like a uh, you know, I hate this. And yeah, yeah, he's gonna be talking about he's into more of a Gronkowski mentality. Yes. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna go party keg smash. Yep, yep. I'm just gonna be the most fun guy in the locker room. Gronk smash type thing, you know. So speaking of the Giants um and wide receivers, Malik Neighbors. So I personally for me, with Malik Neighbors, I am staying away from that for fantasy football. Unless he falls to like is he if he was going. If you're third wide receiver, would you be happy? Or do he does he need to be like uh decidedly on the bench? All right, where what pick number do you think he's going at right now? Oh gosh. 54. 21. Oh it's early, obviously. There's not much in terms of yeah, but you're going at 21. I would not take him in the second round. We wouldn't touch him in the second round. I wouldn't even consider him right right now with with the with with you know the most recent news and stuff. Hey, he's probably not gonna play week one. Yeah. I mean, I would probably be happier like late third, fourth round. Late third, early fourth, I think I could handle that. 50 some was probably was too low. I think I could handle that. Well, yeah, because the late third 36 would be the end of the third. Depending on, yeah, depending on as you have 10. You have 12 teams. Yeah. If you have 10 teams, yeah, fifth round. I'm not touching until the fifth. Yeah. Because you're drafting somebody that may not play for four weeks, start the year. Yeah, you you can't have you can't have that being one of your starting wide receivers. And how fast is he going to be really coming in and showing up? Like, even when he starts playing, will he be that he is a massive concern to me. He's decidedly their number one guy, isn't he? I mean, he's their best wide receiver. Who else do they have as wide out? Hold on, that's where I'm going now. Yeah. So they have Darius Slayton. Who's a good who's a pretty good wide receiver? Yeah, nothing too special though either. He's just kind of just floated around. However, yesterday, and this is the other reason why I am very concerned about League Neighbors. If he was coming back, they wouldn't be signing more wide receivers. They signed three wide receivers yesterday. Ooh, three of them. Three of them. Okay. Yeah, that they clearly recognize that that is a weakness on their team this this coming year. Oda Buckham Jr. Oh, they resigned Beckham Jr. Okay. Okay. Juju Smith Schuster. Oh, okay. And Braxton Barrios. Him I don't know. Yeah, I see like he's been in the league a long time. He's been in the league a long time, yeah. Okay. He yeah. I kind of figured with this other. He's good on special teams too, but he's been he's been around. He he was with the Jets, he was with the Texans, he's I mean, he's been all over the place. Those are that's pretty good signings for them, actually. They're great signings. But um I mean, it's nobody you're really excited about for fantasy, but that's that's exciting. That's good, that's good signings for them as a team. So their um one of their wide receivers, Gunnar Olshuski, I think he was their punt returner or something. He already had a season ending injury. Oh gosh. Yeah, I think he tore his ACL already, so he's done for the year, basically. That'd be rough. And then Darius Slayton is injured on and off. He's always had injuries in his career. Yep. And then obviously Malik Neighbors. He was with the Bills for forever, wasn't he? Darius Slayton? Yeah. I think he's been with the Giants all the time. I'll take a peek here, but not that it really matters. I just tremor if I'm thinking of the right player. Um But no, that's encouraging. I know I know those guys, you know, at least the two that I'm familiar with. I know their their best years are for sure behind them. Yeah, oh for sure, yeah. But Smith Schuster was always a good, was always a good wide receiver, and Odell Beckham has had like some incredible, like, you know, he's probably have he probably has catches like just in NFL highlight reel. He does, he does. You were just playing like an NFL highlight reel, you're he's probably in that, yeah, or he should be. So Derry Slayton's been with the Giants since 2019. Oh his whole career. Okay. And he's played in 14, 16, 13, 16, 17, 16, and 14 games. So most of the year, but like you see, he's always always at least a little hurt. Yeah, I mean, he's yeah, he's never done better than 700 yards in a season, 700 some yards, yeah. So he's never hit eclipsed 18, but his rookie season he had eight touchdowns. So like he's a serviceable wide receiver, but yeah, but then you need more than one wide receiver. Ideally, you need three or four. So, but the question is like you wouldn't sign those three guys if you were even if you weren't concerned a little bit about Malik Neighbors being back. Yeah. For the beginning of the year. No, they they clearly know he is not playing week one. Right, exactly. Yeah, or well, I mean a minimum you need bodies to for training camp and like all that. But the fact that they sign veterans and not like rookie guys are you know, cheap. I mean, not that these guys aren't cheap, though, but they're veteran minimums. You gotta pay them more than the undrafted free agent guy. Yeah. So no, they they've clearly got people who are going to be on the field. Yep, yeah. And then uh Russell Wilson uh accepted a job as a CBS sports analyst. Yeah, good for him. So he's taken a step away from the playing field for a little while. Which shocker. I mean, it seemed like it was time for him to be done, but yeah. But yeah, well, so uh that was though that's why I'm concerned about League Neighbors. And he's a guy I I mean where he's going, I don't want to touch. So tying into that, um, touch on one more thing here before we kind of wrap things up. You got anything else? No, I think we covered it all. I didn't want to make sure I I really wanted to make fun of J. Jim McCarthy again. That was my main that was my main one more thing I wanted to get to. So especially while Bobby isn't here to defend him. Right? I think he's gonna be able to do that. At this point, I don't think he's really defending him anymore, to be honest. Uh so what I was just kind of taking a look at this because I'm starting to kind of look at fantasy football. And then, you know, as we're starting to get closer now to the now that the drafts are in, people are you know, people are getting re-signed and traded and stuff. Yep. The the June-July time frame, I'm I'm starting to kind of like, okay, where are my thoughts at for the year? Like um, especially because I've already started doing um or I will start this this month doing like the um dynasty stuff. And when that starts happening, there's a bunch of trades that start happening. So I have to start thinking about it. Last week? Oh, that was that was a best ball draft. Oh that's that's a little weird, different thing, right? Those get drafted all the time. So I mean you can go anytime. But yeah, I did do one. I I finally finished that. It finished uh yesterday. I know it was like two weeks. What was it? How how long was it per pe per you had up to eight hours to make your pick? Was that it? It felt like it was longer than that. No, but but I mean if every it's you know, 12 people in a team, it's 20 rounds. Yeah, and you like you said, you had people taking the full time. Oh pissed me off. I was like, guys, come on, just make a pick. Like I don't think I ever took I think the longest I was into one was like I was three or four hours into my pick. And that's because it my pick came up like in the middle of the night. Yeah. So I was asleep when I got my like I had two hours left, I think, to make my pick. But that's because it happened after I went to bed. Yeah. So and I and I took mine like within two minutes of waking up. I was like, oh yeah, okay. I already knew who I wanted. Who who did the guy before me get? Okay, I'll get this guy. Yeah, I I like I literally already knew who I wanted. I looked before bed, I was like, dang it, I just want to make this pick and be done with it. Then I had a look, I'm like, all right, eight hours. Am I going to be in bed? Nope, I'll be up before eight hours is up. That's okay. But I'd be the one one frustrating thing about doing one of those like long draft long picked ones. Yeah. It's like if so, what if it comes up while you're sleeping? Well, there's that, but and then but there's news that comes out too, and you so you know, things are changing. So I I'll I'll pull up who my team ended up and you can get your thoughts. I should I should do that actually. How many people how many people were in the league? 12 teams in the league. 12 teams, okay. Um, yeah. Uh okay, now I gotta find it there though. You said it's a best ball. So what is that? So best ball, you you never set your lineup. You do the draft, there's no waiver wire pickups, there's no nothing. Yep, you're just locked in, right? The best the best score for each position to fill in your roster gets put into your roster. There's no defenses, no kickers. So starting lineup is a quarterback, two running backs, three wide receivers, a tight end, and a flex. And then the rest is all bench. Sure. So I ended up with four quarterbacks, six running backs, seven wide receivers, and three tight ends. But I didn't take my other quarterbacks until like 15th round or later. Yeah, and I remember I remember you talking about that. Like it was it was you're you're probably going for like the second grouping of them or something, right? Oh, I ended up taking like the last group. Oh, I waited forever. I was starting to get nervous. I was like, oh crap, what if they take the guy now? I better go get him. So my my starting quarterback, uh well, so I can probably go through this actually in the order I picked them. Yeah. Um I took CD Lamb first. Uh what what pick were you picking at? I was at eight. Okay. So I was late first. The back end of it. Um, so most of the running backs at that point were like the good ones were gone. So I was like, eh. Is it running back running back heavy league? I could have taken um no McCaffrey. I wanted McCaffrey. He went right before me. Because in best ball, I mean McCaffrey's in. No, that's he that's where he would shine. So the guys that went after me that were still available, like Jonathan Taylor, I could have gone, but I was concerned about him. Indianapolis is kind of an odd team. Well, not having Daniel Jones. He didn't do as well without Daniel Jones down the stretch. Yep. So I was concerned there. So I knew and I could have gone Justin Jefferson, but I knew CD would be good, and I could be confident. So in best ball, you also want to build you, it's good to have stacks, like the wide receiver and the quarterback, because you're going for like the biggest score possible. You're going for blow up games. Yep. So the best way to get a blow-up game is to have the quarterback and the wide receiver at home. It is kind of fun though, too, because that also kind of like you said with like um Christian McCaffrey, you you can value the players who just the boomer bust guys a little bit more. Those guys are worth a little bit more. They don't have to because they don't have to be in your lineup every week. And they won't be. They just get put in when they have the great game. So they will have those. So yeah. So I started with uh CeeDee Lamb. I came back around and I took Drake London. Um which he was hyper-targeted last year. I was a little concerned because I just don't know Tua on that team. You know, there's a little bit of risk there. Um then I came back around and I I really wanted to get some running backs, but unfortunately Josh Jacobs went, thank God I didn't take him. But at the time the news had not come out yet. Um, I wanted Josh Jacobs, he went the pick before me. Um, and so I I ended up passing on running back again, and I took Devonta Smith. So I started out three wide receivers. You also start three wide receivers every week and a flex. Yeah. So in theory, you could play four. Odds are you'll probably end up playing four, especially with your team having so many wide receiver good wide receivers, too. Yeah, and then I came back around and there was guys I liked, like um Javante Williams I wanted, and Travis E. Chan Jr., Travis Etienne. Um they both went just before me. So gosh. Yeah. So then I'm like, oh God. And I was like, there was wide receivers I liked, but I'm like, I can't go. Do you want to go for your fourth wide receiver in a row? So I took Colston Loveland. So I went and took a tight end. Okay. So I took the third tight end off the board. Yeah. I was like, all right, I'll take the chance. Um who went before him? Was I'm sure assume it was uh Trey McBride and Brock Bowers. Oh, Trey McBride. They both I wasn't thinking of him. They both went in the second round. So it went a whole round and a half between them and Colston Loveland. So so I was like, all right, and I probably took Loveland a little bit earlier than I needed to because the next tight end didn't go until the middle of the sixth. And that was the fourth, middle of the fourth. But but you mean he's solidly the third best, right? If Daniel Jones is there, Tyler Warren very well could end up being you know right there too. But that was who the next one was. Um and then I came back around and I unfortunately I had to take running backs at that point because I had none. Yeah. So you need to start two, right? You have to start two of them, yeah. So I took Trayvon Henderson, um, because he's got the upside for monster games. He mean he's not gonna be the the workhorse in New England, right? New England, but they have Ramondre still. But I mean, when he was on, he was he had three, two, three touchdowns, you know, yeah, two touchdown and three touchdown games multiple times last year. So and he can hit the home run. Like one play, he's my lineup potentially, right? So that's the idea. Like 70-yard touchdown. Well, he's gonna be my lineup, probably. So then I came back around, took Chuba Hubbard, so I got another running back. Okay. Um, and then I got the quarterback I wanted pretty much from the start. Uh so after I took CeeDee Lamb, I was like, well, I really like Dak this year, anyways. Yep. So I was kind of like, I'm gonna target to get try to get Dak. Dak's always kind of a funny one, too, because like he always seems to fall in But he does well. Yeah, in fantasy. Yeah, but he always scores well. Like he's never he's usually not like with the top quarterback, but he's always one of the high ones. Yep. So I I got there was a run. Two the two picks before mine were both quarterbacks, but he was still there. Who justin Herbert, which was he was ranked much lower. Oh, and so Caleb Williams. So both went before. Caleb's not a bad one for a best ball kind of thing. No, so on the on the clock, the two players I want I I thought about taking I was Dak Prescott and Jalen Hurts. Oh because I I had you had you had wide receivers for both. I had wide receivers for both, and it is a four-point passing touchdown, not six. So I was like, well, Jalen Hurts is valuable because of the rushing upside. I just I don't trust Jalen Hurts personally. He kind of scares me. Um because he he disappeared twice last year, where he didn't complete a pass in this in half of football. Yeah, but like you said, one advantage is that if you're doing if you're doing a best ball league two, right? You know, you just get the he doesn't need to do well every game. So I took Dak. Um, and then if if Jalen Hurts would have come back around, I might have gone just Dak and Jalen and just stacked them both and just been money. But that didn't happen. So came back around, took Kyle Menungay, Bears running back. Oh he was a rookie last year. Yeah, so yep, and he he had some good games. Um it sounds familiar, but I can't place it. So I'm hoping after rookie season he can get a little bit more hopefully turn into it. Increase the usage a little bit. Uh and then I came back around, took uh JK Dobbins in the ninth. Okay. Um, supposedly the starting running back, you know, for the Broncos. He'll be in a timeshare, but yeah, in theory. Uh then I took Matthew Golden. Okay. That could be a good pickup. Again, I was I was gonna take a quarterback there, but three picks before me were all quarterbacks. So it was like, oh. That was tough. Like, do you want to reach even further? And that's kind of where I was at. I was like, well, I'll just wait. Yeah. Well, I'll just wait. Like, like Jordan Love was almost there, and that didn't pass. You know, Brock Purdy, Tyler Shook, Baker all went right before me. Tyler Shook, huh? Yeah. Interesting. I I was I he was the guy I was targeting. Oh, were you? You're looking at him? I just I I think he's gonna have a really good year. Um, then I took Jordan Mason from the Vikings in the 11th round. At that point, I just wanted another running back because I had four, but I was like, none of them are like studs. I so I'm just trying to like if Aaron Jones gets hurt, Jordan Mason might be the guy. Yeah. So and especially like you said, it's always the advantage of doing the bet they're doing the best ball thing. It's like if he just scores a touchdown one week, that might be enough for him to get in the lineup. Yeah, and then well, right, exactly. If he gets a touchdown, falls in the end, or falls in the end zone twice. Yeah. On very few yards, like if he gets the goal line carries, perfect, he could be the guy. Um I came back around with um I decided to pass again. Again, I was thinking Malik Willis, like I'll take the chance on. So I was gonna I was gonna draft Malik Willis and then just like pepper the end of my draft with multiple Dolphins wide receivers and just hope I hit the guy that you know actually ends up being the guy. Someone's gotta catch the ball, right? Yeah. Uh but he went three picks before me. So I like I was just like I felt like I was just kept getting sniped on these. So I took Mark Andrews for the Ravens as my second tight end. So I was like, he's got the upside, he has some big games here and there still. Yep. Um came back around again, didn't like anything on the board. Um, so I took Hunter Henry, too. So I had three tight ends by the 13th round. Sure. Um went back around, didn't like all the quarterbacks. At this point, there was like no quarterbacks left. I mean, we're talking Aaron Rodgers is gone. The only people left are Dolphins quarterbacks, the Jets, Jano Smith, Fernando Mendoza, Kirk Cousins, JJ McCarthy, Deshaun Watson, Chadur Sanders. Like, there's nobody left at quarterback anymore. Is Tua still there? Yeah, well, yeah, he's uh Atlanta quarterback, yeah. Both the Atlanta quarterbacks are still there, Tua. And Michael, and I wanted them at that point because I had Drake London. So I was trying to get another stack with my other quarterback. And the nice thing too is like with having um oh my god, just blanked on his name, the uh the Cowboys quarterback. Yeah. He is very consistent. He is for the most part. So it's like, okay, I don't need a guy that's gonna be a stud. Yeah, I just want some upside, like, hey, maybe they have a a good game. Yep. And can play a week or two here and there. So I ended up taking Trey Tucker with the Raiders. He was kind of a deep threat last year for them. Um he's believed like their wide receiver too this year. Um, and then I came back around the fifteenth round, still no second quarterback, took Emmanuel Wilson, who went to see it from the Packers to Seattle. Okay. Okay. I mean, it's possible he's like one of their starters to start the year at least. So to get him late, I liked. And then the 16th round, I finally came back around because Fernando Mendoza and Geno Smith went. I took Tua. You took Tua. I took Tua. Uh for the Dolph for the for the um Falcons because I because I had Drake London. I thought whoever's throwing him the ball, he could have a big game. Maybe he can make another big game. I don't I don't think Mendoza's gonna start much. Like I I think Kirk Cousins will get at least half the season. Yeah. So and I maybe he gets more. If they if he's playing well, he's gonna get more. So I can't, and then after I took two, I came back in the 17th round and I took Michael Penix. So you took them both. So I have both the Atlanta quarterback. So I have at least the starting quarterback for Drake London the entire time. Yep. More I mean, I guess there could be injuries. Maybe they don't, but odds are you have them. Odds are you should have it. You have Atlanta starting quarterback. So then I decided I came back around and Bobby during our rookie draft, right, was talking about um, I think it's Zachariah Branch or whatever from the Falcons. So I took him. Yep. So I took another Falcons wide receiver. I figured I you know what? Screw it, I'm gonna stack him up and just see what I can do. Sure. And then I came back around in the 19th round and I took Kirk Cousins because he was still there. Oh, that's when you got so you got cousins then too? I was I was kind of like, you know, I'm I I wanted another quarterback. And odds are he he he w I'm guessing he will start the year. I well I'm confident he will start the year. So even if I get five, six games, five, six games out of him, he's my second to last pick. Yeah. And then I took Darius Slayton as my last pick. Honestly, every everybody at those everybody on at those drafts draft uh anybody in those rounds, it probably is not actually gonna play at all. I mean You're probably not ever getting those points. I mean, around Kirk Cousins, I mean Tory Horton, maybe Terrence Ferguson, Jake Tonges. I thought about picking Dake Tonges. He was on my list, but I wanted Kirk Cousins. I wanted another quarterback. But Jake Tongen likely is gonna start the year over George Kittle. Oh so to me, he's quietly a secret guy you could draft. Is Kittle hurt again right now? Week tour is Achilles. Oh week um 16. Oh, I forgot about that. So I mean he's gonna miss. Well, maybe he won't, but in my mind, he's gonna miss the first at least four or five weeks. Yeah, probably the first month. And Jake Tongen, while he was out, was pretty darn good with Brock Purdy. So in my mind, you know, if you want to take a late, if you're like, I want to punt at tight end, I don't want to even try anything. You know, I think yeah, if you'd take it a shot on a tight end too, he'd be a pretty cool choice. So yeah. Hey, how do you feel about your team? I I mean I it's that's not my I was mad because I kept missing the guys I wanted. They just and then I'd like, nope, I'm not gonna reach. And then I'd go for somebody, you know, go for somebody that's right there, and then I'd get sniped again the next round, which was frustrating. So that part kind of sucked. But it's really fun to do those drafts though, because there's a little bit of a different mentality because you're like, Well, I'm never gonna choose my lineup. Yeah, so sometimes it's a hands-off thing. So sometimes I'm a little, but you can't do anything about it. Yeah, sometimes I it it's kind of nice because then there's there's players that I normally wouldn't take in like a redraft league that I will take in this. You know, the guys that are like boomer bust. Yep. Because most of the time I just I can't stand those guys because you put them in your lineup and you just get screwed. Yeah, you frustrates the heck out of me. You feel bad because you know they have the big game on the bench, and then you move them up, and then they didn't don't do anything. And pick Gabe Davis a few years ago. Yeah, you just try to catch the good game, or you'd have 20, then zero, then zero, then twenty, then zero, and you're like, come on. He had like four zeros that year, and I was like, You got to be kidding me. Luckily, my team was so bad that year. Um, I ended up needing to play him because of injuries, and I think I played like three out of the 20 weeks, and I sat him for some reason on the zero weeks, like most of the time, except for one of them. So I was like, you know what? I feel pretty. I was like, I like Gabe Davis. He's terrible. I don't know why. Great for me almost every time. So yeah. Um in the coming weeks, though, we'll definitely probably start looking at like the ADP and where where some players are going. We'll start doing some mock drafts in a couple weeks. Yep. Um, and then each of us will probably pick uh I don't know, two guys that were super in on where they're at. Sure. You know, in in the ADP, like, okay, you know, I I'm gonna take these guys a lot, probably because I think they should be going, you know, half a round earlier and a round earlier or whatever. Um, and then maybe a guy or two that we just you know are completely out on. Like I'm just not taking the guy where he's at. So you're saying I got homework to do. At some point in the next couple of weeks. It'll it'll be a week for sure when Bobby's able to join us. So um, so it'll be a couple weeks out, probably. Probably not next week, but maybe two weeks after that. So three weeks, three weeks out. So, but I think that'll be a lot of fun to kind of I we'll we'll do a mock draft first, just to kind of see so we can kind of see where things are falling. Yeah, and then we'll and we might even wait till July for that because that way we'll get a better idea where players are actually going. People aren't drafting yet, so there's not enough AT ADP. Yeah, there's not a ton of huge amount of data left in there apparently. You want you want that to kind of even out a little bit where people are actually gonna be going before they're like, Oh yeah, I think he's going way too late. And all of a sudden, like a month later, he's like, Well, he's right where I thought he should be. Now he's not so much of a value, he's uh yeah, just like I'm sure like Malik neighbors will probably start falling a little bit. Yeah. So as soon as drafts start, people are gonna be like, I don't want that guy. Yeah. Once more news gets out that like he's still not quite there. Right, exactly. So all right. Well, uh, I think that's all for this week. Uh thank you for listening, and we will be back next week. Bye. Bye. Bye.