Mid-June News - Ep. 151

Justin and Ryan discuss the most recent NFL news and their thoughts on the Packers OTAs. They dive into what the Supplemental draft is and who should potentially be interested this year.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Alright, and welcome back to another episode of the Purple Green Show. I am Justin here with Ryan. Yep. No Bobby this week. Nope. Nope. We are going to go through some kind of the most recent news and everything around. Some rumors, stuff like that. So kind of news around the NFL right now. Nothing too crazy. Cam Jordan is re signing with the Saints for one more season, calling it one final season. Nice. 16th season in the NFL, all with the Saints. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

That's impressive.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

I was actually kind of hoping he's sign with the Packers just because he's He's really good still.

SPEAKER_00 0:38

I don't know if he's really good still, but he's good still. He's decent, you know. Um that's impressive to be that that long with one team. It is. It just doesn't happen right now.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

It's very odd, especially for a non-quarterback. Yeah, I mean, even quarterbacks like even quarterbacks nowadays, mostly they're the last year or two they're somewhere else if they want to keep playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it it's that's odd for sure. Um so and then Pickens reported to Kawa's minicamp on his franchise tag. He has no plans to hold out. So that was kind of some people thought he was gonna hold out. Um let's see.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Uh I think I'd assumed he was gonna without even hearing otherwise, hearing anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Well, there was there was talks like, oh, he because he wants a long-term deal. And so was he gonna hold out? Was it gonna turn in this whole Micah Parsons, you know, deal where he's going to be just back and forth call-off season.

SPEAKER_00 1:28

Uh, you know, a Cowboys, you know, franchise tag. I figured it'd be a big operation, but no, that sounds good. That it, you know, good for them at least that he's willing to come in and come in and practice.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Yep. Yep. Um, Rashi Rice has been released from jail. I did see that one too. After his 30-day stint. Very nice, very nice probation violation. Um, there are only two first-round draft picks left to sign. Do you do you know which two they are?

SPEAKER_00 1:54

No, I hadn't heard anything about signings.

SPEAKER_01 1:57

Okay. So the only two not to have signed Is it the some top ones? Are the two quarterbacks. Oh. So the number one pick for Dan Mendoza. Okay. And Ty Simpson with the Rams.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Huh. Not sure why, but Yeah, I mean, aren't those deals pretty much like locked in?

SPEAKER_01 2:15

They're slated into slots, so it's only so much money, and then it's usually it's all based on the guaranteed money.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

Now Do they still can they put on incentives and stuff, or is that is that a no-no to?

SPEAKER_01 2:27

You're stuck within the the con the confines of like the total contract amount.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

The problem with that is is even like length of contract is all locked in too, right? Correct. It's four years with a five-year, fifth-year team option for the first rounders. So the only thing that you can kind of really negotiate is how the bonuses are structured. Is it an all-up signing bonus? Is it fully guaranteed? You know, like everything's guaranteed, which is the case for most of the first rounders. However, sometimes there are stipulations in there, like if they get suspended or if they get hurt, you know, like an injury or something like that. Then sometimes it is bonus get put in. Yeah, then it isn't guaranteed, you know, fully guaranteed bonus.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

It's like I would have bet they were arguing on the food budget or something.

SPEAKER_01 3:14

I mean, yeah, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Uh, but so that that's how many pairs of shoes did they get from the team or something, you know?

SPEAKER_01 3:21

At least you could argue it, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

I guess so.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

So uh so yeah, those two are still sitting out there, and then um not a whole lot of other news out there.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Um I did see uh Green Bay's defense is playing well in uh in their camps and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Yes, Lucas Van S has played very, very well, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

Which is encouraging to hear, especially with Micah gonna be out for a few weeks.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

Yes, it is. Um, and then supposedly um Baron Sorrel, who was Packers uh, I believe he was their fifth round pick last year out of Texas. Um he was actually at the draft um and he walked out uh in the fifth round. He was the only player to do so. Yeah, just yeah, conveniently, right? He happened to stay, he's he decided he wanted to stick around and he got drafted by the team he was team that was hosting. Right, exactly. So then um and he he played really well um against the Vikings week 18 last year, I thought. Um he really didn't play much, he only played 138 snaps.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

The name sort sounds sort of familiar, but also not really. So that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

A little more at the end of the year, and that's probably why it's more familiar. Yeah. Um, but supposedly he may take the starting spot on the opposite side um of Lucas Van Ness to start the season.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Okay. So while while Mike is hurt? While Mike is hurt, yeah. Sure. That's good for him, you know, get some get some more playing time and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Yep, but so Mike has taken him under his wing and one of the rookies this year as well, apparently. He went he invited them down to Texas to train with him and and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

So I'm like, all right. I don't know why, but like that sounds ominous.

SPEAKER_01 4:53

I gotta it's got no reason to if he can teach him how to like play a little better, and and honestly, Lucas Van S has credited his playing better to Micah teaching him some things and how to get around guys.

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Well, that and like it's always a thing with competition is like you people perform better when there's somebody better there.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Oh, for sure. Because you're like, oh, I gotta I gotta do this, I gotta do it.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Like you're looking at the effort that someone else is putting in, like the natural talent or whatever. You you you play you practice harder, you play harder. That's it's always a thing. So I'm not surprised.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

So the really weird um oh I saw um yeah Michael Penix.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

He is not playing still, still not playing, he's still not playing injury.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

He declared for 11 on 11s, but he did play in seven on sevens.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

That made me chuckle. He's he had a quote saying like he's right where he is, and like the top comment on it was on the bench. Or he's right where he's aiming to be, or whatever, you know. He's right on the bench.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Oh, that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

Um no, so what's interesting though, so Lucas Lucas Van Esse, right, he's supposedly playing really well. And so he's probably going up against um Jordan Morgan most of the time. Packers left tackle, right? Yep. Uh former first-round draft pick, who the Packers are definitely hoping takes a big step forward, right? Yeah. So when I hear that, I'm like, my first thought is okay, did Lucas Van Esse get better, or is Jordan Morgan just not very good?

SPEAKER_00 6:21

It is kind of the conundrum within you're playing your own team.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

So I was a little concerned about that. And then Yeah, is that a pro for the defense or a kind of seen some things that that were kind of along the line? Well, is he really playing better, you know, or is it our own offensive line that's not very good? And then I saw something the next day that was like, oh, Jordan Morgan's had a great OTAs. And I'm like, really? Hmm. I'm like, sounds like he's getting beat a lot.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Which doesn't sound good to me. Maybe he's doing really well except for scrimishes. Maybe, maybe that's the case. I don't know. But I was just like, okay. Like he's gotten so much faster and he can lift more. Yep. And so then just Lucas Venice just got eating his lunch.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Uh one of my favorite picks I that we talked about during the draft for the Packers was um the fifth round um rookie Jaeger Burton. Okay. Um, who was like a center guard, can kind of play all of them, right? Yeah, I remember that. Um because uh Aaron Banks wasn't playing one day, he's basically been starting for first team reps almost the whole OTAs. Wow. And he's apparently been good. So I'm quite excited about that. So maybe we found a new maybe we can get rid of Aaron Banks' uh fat contract in a year or so and move on and and get somebody else in there. Or if Sean Ryan doesn't pan out at center, great, he can play center. You know, just either one.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Yeah, or like you said, like now it is more encouraging to know that if he if he needs to go in or if they want to rest somebody, yes, you feel much better. It's not as like scary.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

Oh, there's an injury. Uh-oh, we're in trouble. No, it's like no, he's he's looking good already.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

No, he he can play it, he can do it.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

I mean, I'm excited about that. Um, he was one of the he was probably the draft pick I was probably most excited about um out of the draft, as odd as it sounds for a fifth round draft pick.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

But yeah, but no, he's a he's a lot fairly large, I think from what I remember. He's a pretty big guy. Yep, but then he's like a flexible offensive lineman. Yep, you can play the whole interior, nothing but thumbs up, centers and guards, so that's great.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Um, yeah. Uh so that's the good news. The bad news out of OTAs for the Packers is uh Trey Smack has been smacking it all over, not in the goal posts.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

I heard he made a couple long ones.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

He made some very long ones after missing many kicks wide left. They they started out, so it was like there was oh, there was a two-minute drill, and Jordan Love went six of eight, you know, marched him right down the field into field goal range.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

And and the situation was they were down by three. Yep. So like need to at least get into field goal range. Set him up for a 35-yard field goal, missed it wide left. Ooh. They did a retry in the kick from 50, and he made it. I'm like, dude, apparently he has no problem making the long kicks. It's the like 30 to the 35 to like 45. He just seems to miss I think I didn't say that too.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Like, even in college, I think his percent his made percentage was better outside of 50 than it was like shorter.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Which and and and I I noticed I actually saw like the log of like all his kicks for the day a couple times. Every one of his misses has been wide left. Okay. Not a single one has gone right.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

At least that's like it's a consistent consistent error, which hopefully is teachable then.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Well, hopefully he can figure it out. And obviously he's working with a new holder and a new snapper, you know, that he didn't work with in college. So he's he's got some work to do with all that and getting used to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

But like I said, I think I think that was a problem for him in college too, was missing shorter kicks.

SPEAKER_01 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

I honestly it's I'm a little nervous about it. It was kind of scary with it that they they went straight with him, they cut McManus.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

I I was surprised by them cutting McManus. Yeah, I really was.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

It is still a kicking competition, right? They still have the other guy.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

I believe they still have Haversick. Yes, yeah. But I I haven't heard anything about Haversick.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Was he the substitute teacher?

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Yeah, he was the substitute teacher that they brought in last year when McManus got hurt, and then he kicked great. So we got we got the teacher and a rookie. Yeah. Uh it's it feels back to like when they signed they drafted Anders Carlson and was like, yeah, we we got the next guy, and it's like they did for like a year or two. Yeah, but he wasn't good. No, he wasn't. That's the problem. It's like, yes, they had a guy, but he wasn't good a good guy. No. So like they need and he he's not even in the league anymore kicking. So it's not like he's like went somewhere else and revitalized his career like Daniel, his brother did after Daniel Carlson left the Vikings. At least he went to the Raiders and he turned out to be a pretty good kicker.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Uh Anders, I don't even think he's in the league. Yeah, maybe not.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

So I've never I haven't heard his name.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Yeah. Um, yeah, I I haven't heard anything on Andres Carlson, honestly. Um, I'm gonna look him up real quick. Just to see. Yeah, did he is he on a team? He's on the Jets?

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Seriously? No. Shows what we know. It's either actual kicker or is he like a backup backup position or something like that?

SPEAKER_01 11:12

That's what I'm wondering. Like, did he actually kick last year? That's the real question.

SPEAKER_00 11:16

Yeah, right? I don't know if I watched how much like Jets football I watched, but I don't think I feel like I would remember it seeing him.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

The name sounds vaguely from a minute later that he might have been there, but um I I just don't know. Uh he did kick with the Jets last year in oh no, 2024 was his last year. And he kicked for three different teams that year. Is that right? This can't all be the same season. That doesn't make any okay. Uh yeah. He's been he was in the league for two years. 2023, he kicked with the Packers, and they got rid of him after that year, or maybe partway through the next year. I thought he was two teams for more than a year. They might have cut they might have cut him in the end of the next year. Maybe. So uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

I'm just like okay. We'll see. Yeah. No, I mean, like I said, it is somewhat encouraging at least that he's consistently wrong in the same direction. Right. For smack.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

You know, like I said, hopefully then that means it's a fixable issue. I see if I can find his stats. You know, that maybe he's pulling it pulling it too much or something, or he Yeah, I don't know. But that is that is at least encouraging that you know that's a consistent problem.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:26

As bad as it is that your kicker is consistently missing.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

Yeah, not what you want for sure. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

I mean it fixed it. If nothing else, they still do have the other guy.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Yes, they do still have um Lucas Haversick. Uh, and so then the other thing I wanted to go through was so a little more information came about came out about Christian Watson's um contract uh after we talked about it last week. So what came out was essentially the fact that um so we talked where his I believe his money was like 27-ish million a year.

SPEAKER_00 13:05

Yeah, that sounds right.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

Um just put see if I can pull this up really quick here. Christian Watson's contract.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

And then see if you can find the number that was previously reported.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Okay, so here here's where it changed already. Agreed to a four-year $92 million dollar extension. The deal features a $31 million signing voice, which is fully guaranteed amounted signing, and can reach up to $110.5 million through various incentives and escalators. So that's where it's a little bit originally when it was reported that we talked last week, it was a four-year, $110 million and a half, 10 and $110.5 million dollar contract.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yeah. So it's almost like he says like $18, 20 20 million?

SPEAKER_01 13:43

18 and a half million less. Yeah. And all that is incentives. And so ultimately, his average annual base is actually 23 million versus the 27.6. Which is oh, it's four million less per year. I mean, that's that's a much bigger deal. And if you look where that falls, and I mean you're he's much lower on the list in terms of wide receivers and things like that, that you know, actually, you know, where he's meeting in.

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Did they did they say like what his like what the incentive was like what the line is for the incentive, or those don't get released usually.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah. I mean you'll see them like each year as they come up, probably. Like people will talk about them, but they're really hard to find those. Um but yeah, what we did look at was you know, we look his cap hits are what they we said they were last week when that came out. Like we we did have those. So and and really after basically 2020, I mean 2029, they could cut them if they really want. I mean save 15 million dollars. So yeah, big amount of money. And after 2020, in 2028, they could cut him and save a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

So yeah, but at least like having having a lot that much money tied up in incentives is a good thing. Correct, yes, especially playing time was his his main concern.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

Yep, and so and so what I what I've been seeing for um Tucker Kraft, because I've heard that's the next one. Yep, and they want to get it, they want to get that too done by the end of training camp. Um so likely the average annual value on that is probably somewhere between I want to say Kyle Kyle Pitts is um because Kyle Pitts has a franchise tag, and that is I don't want to say 13 million. His is 15 million.

SPEAKER_00 15:22

This franchise tag like averages out, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:25

It averages the top, I believe, 10 salaries in the league or something like that. Um yeah, I believe it's something something like that. Top 10 or 12 or top half the league, something to that effect. Um so he's on that for 15 million this year, which is making which makes him the third highest paid tight end in the league. On an average annual basis.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:49

So there's only two pla players paid more, and that would be um George Kittle. Kelsey though?

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Might be. I gotta now I gotta look this up. Shoot. I'm trying to think who's the other like highest paid kicker position. A lot of the other like top guys are are still uh would be under rookie contracts. Trey McBride, that's what it was. Um that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah, he's a his so George Kittle's 19.1 million a year, Trey McBride is 19, Kyle Pitts is 15, and then Isaiah likely just signed a longer term extension, right, this offseason with the Giants for 13.3. If you're a San Fran, you think that's a bad deal? I mean, uh he's I don't think so. George when George Kittle plays, I mean, he is that good. It's kind of things, though, is like when. That's fair. He does get hurt a lot. Yeah. But to be fair, so there's a whole team. Yeah. That's true. So that's true. That is a good point. They wouldn't pay anybody if they got enough people getting hurt. So um, so really the the thought is he you know, does he get the 19 million? Has he warranted, has he played well enough to get up to the Trey McBride, George Kittle level? Yeah. Or is he more in line with the Kyle Pitts, Isaiah likely 13 to 15? Now gosh.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

That'd be interesting. Like, yeah, does he reset the market for tight ends?

SPEAKER_01 17:11

That's the question. So I I think probably I'm my guess is he will fall in around like 16 to 17, but he'll get you know four years at that to you know, kind of a longer term deal. So Isaiah likely got what is that, three, four, three, yeah. Has he gotten a new deal? He just got signed by the Giants this last year. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he got a three-year $40 million deal. So, which was 13.3.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

So I I think I think he also hasn't really sh hasn't had the opportunity to show much though either, right? No, he really hasn't. He hasn't had much restoration.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

No, his stats are not there.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

I mean he's the Ravens never used never really used it much because they had Andrews. Right. They seem to like him better.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

And honestly, that that's where the real question comes in, though, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Like, much to much to Bobby's chagrin.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Uh yeah, mine too. I would I thought it was gonna break out. So um, but yeah, I I think Tucker Craft will probably come in around like four years almost more than likely be four years, because the Packers usually do four-year contracts.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Yeah, because then they can they can kind of front load it too, and then they have you out after two.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Yep. So probably around 17 would be my guess. I would be very surprised if they paid him the top of the market. Wouldn't be shocking though, either, though. I mean, like, is he better than Trey McBride? And Trey McBride, I think, just got paid, didn't he? Like, he had to just have gotten his new.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

He must have, because he's he has not been in the league that long, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Yeah, his new camp he he signed, he just signed it in 2025, last year. So I can't imagine. I don't think he's better than Trey McBride. Now that doesn't mean he doesn't get paid as much.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Yeah, yeah. I mean quarterbacks do that all the time. They do they constantly reset the market, and if you even if you can argue that, like, oh, you but you are not uh Patrick Mahomes. Well, right, and he just got paid last, you know, yeah, the other week, so which was kind of crazy. Yeah, well, yeah, it didn't his contract like broke records.

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Did we talk about that last week?

SPEAKER_00 19:13

I don't know if we did.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

I'm blanking on if we did or not. Um, yes, he he got a new oh boy. His is his is so weird to like talk about though because they really only added like a couple years.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

Yeah, but like his his his contract is incredibly high now, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:32

Yeah, so essentially his contract is now 504.75. It's an eight-year 504.75 million dollar contract. Uh making it the first NFL making it the first NFL deal in NFL history to exceed half a billion dollars. Oh my god. Um, the restructured deal averages 63.09 million annually. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

For eight over eight years.

SPEAKER_01 19:56

Yes. And he could get up to 522 with incentives. I don't know. At that point, do I really care about the 18 million dollars in incentives? Probably not.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Does it say how much of it's guaranteed?

SPEAKER_01 20:09

Um 150.25 is fully guaranteed at signing.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 20:16

Do you imagine? With 397 million in total practical guarantees. So almost all of it, basically. Because if you add the 150 to that number, pretty much gets you to the top. Oh god. Basically, all what they said was basically it all of it ends up being guaranteed in the long run. There's there's um just yeah, there's things that over time there's things the team can do to activate in the contract that will make them guaranteed money, which helps them prorate it out further.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

Which they're gonna need because that's way too much money. Well, uh the so the cash payout this year is 56.75. The estimated cap hit is 34.6, which is reasonable.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

God, it's amazing the wizardry they can pull to just to make these numbers make sense to them.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

2027 is 58 million in cash, 90.3 million in cap it.

unknown 21:06

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

And then 2028 is 60 million in cash payout, and 85.8 million in cash.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Cap is like 300 some million, isn't it? Uh 330 or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

Yeah, one second. Let me I I can pop the actual number. I got the side up.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

But like he's pulling almost a third of the total cap.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Currently it's 301 million. 301. Okay. 301. Next year, when he's at 90, will be the projected is 327 million. So he'll be under a third. But what we talked about. But we talked about it. No court no one's ever even made it to the Super Bowl over was it 18? I think so. I think it was 18. And then no one I mean we came to the reasonable test, like 13 is where you kind of should be. Yeah. 13% of your team's cap. Which everybody got under this year as they like as they fixed all the contracts going into the season.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

But Mahomes will be at a third.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Won't stay. As I said, like they've got activators to switch things over to guaranteed money. And when you do that, you flip it over to guaranteed, it makes it go from that one year and it spreads out that number over the next five. Yeah. And so ultimately.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

They gotta already be doing that, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:16

They already have been, yes. Well, we can go look at his, yeah. I'm sure it's out here now.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

You imagine like the accounting department, like the NFL must have just to make sure these teams aren't screwing up somehow.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Well, they do that well that's who the guy messing up you're messing up, messing around with it. The cap guy for the Vikings is who took over their GM job part for the interim.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

I'm just saying, like the NFL has to have like a division almost as big as the whole IRS. Just to keep just to make sure the teams are doing it right.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

Let's put it this way uh the cap number in 2026 is 34.6, right? I think it's 90.3, 85.8, 82.9, 74.6, 65.7, 68, 70. I mean, once you get that far out, it doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_00 22:59

So I mean, like, are they gonna be paying him for the next like 15 years? If they just keep pushing it out, they won't, because they're gonna push things out.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

So he's under contract to his age 38 season right now. He's got four void years on it, which don't have anything in it, but essentially those void years make it so they can just kick money out in the future, probably without having to talk to him about it, and they're just like, oh yeah, we'll just we're gonna activate this and you get more money, which I'm sure he doesn't complain about, uh up front, right? And then it moves that cap hit out further.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Yeah, it just it turns an eight-year contract into a 12-year contract, and then you can just like stretch that out a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Well, and that's the thing, it but he's not actually on your team for those years. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Those extra four years. Which what what is that uh um yeah, what what what big deal right now is like they're dealing with that problem right now?

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Well, Deshaun Watson's Trump, oh, yeah, he's not he's still on the team right now, but uh I'm trying to think. Um there was one where it was like paying him, and he's not there was Russell Wilson back when he left the Broncos.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

Um trying to think of the other ones that are out there.

SPEAKER_00 24:04

I know we we just talked about one not that long ago where it was like it was really big and like yeah, he's they're still paying him.

SPEAKER_01 24:11

Yeah, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 24:12

Just because they just kept pushing it out.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

The Saints? It was I mean, oh yeah, the Saints. The Saints had um The Saints were doing it a lot, weren't they? They were doing a ton of that with Drew Brees, uh, you know, way back to keep the teams relevant. Um Okamara, I think, has a contract that's like they're gonna they're going to be paying him for years. Well, they're still paying Derek Carr, 36.6 million casualties.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

And he and he he helped them with that too, even.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

He did, right? That was two years ago. With him retiring, sort of, yeah, with him retiring, yeah. But that was two years ago he retired.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

So they're still paying him. 36 million. Oh god. Taysom Hill's got 13, he's not on the team. So is he retired totally? Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

Is he?

SPEAKER_01 24:54

Yeah, but yeah, so lots of interesting stuff on that front. So um, oh, the one other big news in the NFL going on.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

Uh is not quite in the NFL yet.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

He's not quite in the NFL yet. Um, uh Brian Sorsby. Or Brendan Brendan Sorsby, my bad. Uh Brendan Sorsby. So he is set to apply.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

He is the Texas Tech quarterback quarterback who got in trouble for gambling a few weeks ago. Correct. Like a month ago or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, you had the stats on his gambling.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yeah. Um he has but bet done more than 9,000 bets in his college, you know, career, uh, totaling at least $90,000 throughout his tenure with three different teams.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

Yeah, so he played with Indiana and then he played with Cincinnati and that then he has played with Texas Tech.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

So unfortunately, some of the bets were made on his own team while at Indiana.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah, I got it uh that's where in his ESPN article, it was at least 40 wagers while he was out with Indiana as a freshman, which is a major note-no.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

Yeah, when when you're betting on your own team, yeah, it's usually a problem because you have inside and information, basically. It's like insider trading.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Well, yeah, then you can influence you're directly influencing the outcome.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Well, that's that's a major Hey, why don't you drop that next catch for me? Yeah, I can't I'll spl I'll I'll give I'll split you in. Yeah, right, exactly. You you got you got a lot of conflicts of interest then. Um yeah, court records so Soresby has acknowledged making thousands of impermissible bets on pro and college sports, totaling at least ninety thousand dollars during his times at Indiana, Cincinnati, and Texas Tech. Sorsby left uh for left Cincinnati for uh five million dollars from Texas Tech. That's why he went there.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Yeah, I mean like it's a lot of bets, but like that's so much money, too.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

And he's a he's a he was a big time talent. He I don't know if he would have been a first-round quarterback next year, but he would have if he played well this year, he would have been in the conversation for a first-round quarterback. So he has 35 career games, including 31 starts. He's passed for 7,200 yards, 60 touchdowns, along with 1,200 rushing yards and 22 touchdowns. That's pretty that's really good. It's quite, I mean, that that's impressive. So he has applied for the NFL supplemental draft.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Which I had never I don't remember hearing about.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Oh there's been other players. The other big name was Terrell Pryor back in the day from Ohio State. He was their quarterback for a while. Yeah, sounds familiar. That one probably I think he went for a third round pick to the Raiders.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Okay. Um, but what is what is this? What is it?

SPEAKER_01 27:30

So the supplemental draft is a mechanism for players whose college eligibility changed after the regular draft filing deadline. So his eligibility has changed. Sorta. Sort of. He filed an he got an injunction from a Texas coach.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

He was NCAA had like they had ha put the hammer down on him. He was done.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

He was banned, basically.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Um the the court put a temporary temporary injunction saying that he could play.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Yeah, for now.

SPEAKER_01 27:59

For now, but then you've got the school that potentially could punish him. You've got the what are they Texas Tex and the Big 12, I think, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Big 12 could punish him. Yeah, and then you've got the NCAA that could come back around and punish him for something else. It was looking grim. Yeah, it doesn't, it didn't look good. So, but essentially, the supplemental draft utilizes a blind bidding auction system where teams bid future draft picks, and the winner the winner forfeits the corresponding pick in next year's standard NFL draft. Who gets the pick?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Or do they just skip it?

SPEAKER_01 28:33

It just goes away. They just skip that pick. Oh, okay. So everybody moves up a little bit, I guess. Sure. But a player is gone that could have been there next year.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

So um essentially it's it's not so it's not strict inverse order inverse record order. Teams are divided into three weighted lottery tiers, teams with six or fewer wins the previous season, non-playoff teams with more than six wins, and then the 14 playoff teams.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

They just those teams win ties or the yeah, um if there's a tie, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:06

It goes to the teams that are weighted higher.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Yeah, because nobody knows exactly what picks are big picks are they're gonna be worth.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Well, it's a blind auction, so you're you're yeah, yeah, so bidding.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Yeah, if like the Packers go in, for instance, they go like, Well, we'll put in a fifth-round pick.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

They would lose to a team who had a worse record who also says they'll put in a fifth-round pick.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Correct. Okay. More or less. Yeah. Well, they would lose to a non-playoff team. Sure. If it was another playoff team, then it would come down to the order within each group is determined by a weighted, a random weighted lottery, which grants better odds to teams with worse records.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

So RNG thrown in there too, then.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Yeah, kind of more a little more uh NBA style.

SPEAKER_00 29:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

So um, but essentially they they enter a blind bid indicating the specific round you're willing to use on a to draft a player, and then if you win, if you're if you're the highest bidder or the you know, you win the tiebreaker, random tiebreaker, and you'll give up that draft pick next year and you will get that player for this year.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

That's interesting. So when when when does this happen?

SPEAKER_01 30:12

That is a great question.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

When is this going down? Uh that's uh I want to find that out. And who would who would put in on him? That is the real question. Because like let's say because like, is he he's is he facing jail time with this? No, we're not no, he isn't, right?

SPEAKER_01 30:30

No, not jail time, um, but needs to be suspended. The real question is the NFL's got a pretty strict no gambling policy, too.

SPEAKER_00 30:36

So yeah, and he's obviously like you said, I think you mentioned too that he is sought like uh um he he's sought out um gambling rehab. Yeah, he's yeah, he's went to rehab. That's how the world was.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Gambling rehab, yeah. So usually the there is no date yet for the supplemental draft, but it's usually late July. Okay. So in about a month we'd find out. So the real question is so duh you know, do you there's obviously a ton of quarterbacks coming out next year's draft.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Yeah, next year is supposed to be the good quarterback draft.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Right. And so the question is, do you take a chance on a lower pick? Because it's not gonna be a first-round pick that's gonna take to get him, I wouldn't think.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

I wouldn't imagine.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

So so the so that's the question. So you know what teams I'm trying to do.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Does he for sure go? Does somebody take him? I would I mean does do all 32 teams pass?

SPEAKER_01 31:28

I think so. I I would think I would think people would take him. I just don't know. Um I'm trying to find out. Hold on, I'm trying to find consensus big board for next year.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

I mean, I'm like, I imagine some team is willing to at least give up a seventh.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Yeah, I I just want to see what quarterbacks are supposed to go in like the first round next year. Holy cow.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

Manning's the big one, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Arch Manning, yes. So the consensus big board right now has and this is just their ranking, so I'm just gonna say the top 30.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Yeah, a lot will have a lot of games, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Arch Manning from Texas, Dante Moore from Oregon, Drew Mestemaker from Ohio State Univers or I'm sorry, Oklahoma State University, CJ Carr from Notre Dame, Julian Sayan from Ohio State, Darien Mensah from Florida, University of Miami, Florida, and Lenora Sellers from South Carolina. Those are all quarterbacks? Those are all quarterbacks. Seven of them? Seven of them. So that's the real question. So do you like one of them more, right? So Brendan Sorsby, by the way, was um two more down. So he's ninth. But he was projecting 58th overall.

SPEAKER_00 32:42

Okay. So what was oh yeah, and so that so we're we're going into the ways into the second round here.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

Yeah, it'd be the late second round.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

Late second round.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

And so obviously, in a supplemental, you're probably gonna pay less than you'd pay in the regular NFL draft. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Just because you have it don't have all the extra scouting and considering the potential potential gambling issues. Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

So the question is would somebody give up a third? And and then really you come down to the teams, right? The Cardinals, the Jets, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

It's it's such a weird gamble, too, because it's also do you think he will turn out?

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 33:21

You know? And do you think you'll be bad enough that you can get somebody better? Well, right, yeah. Next year in the draft.

SPEAKER_01 33:29

So the real question then comes are there teams with an older quarterback that that's gonna be a better team. That may not get one of the better quarterbacks, but they could they could get him and you know, throw in a third round offer and get him and get a guy that may have moved up the board and been even higher.

SPEAKER_00 33:47

So I would have been curious, like what about the cowboys? Like two months ago, like where he would have fallen in that in that list. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:56

Yeah, I know. So you look at like what about the cowboys with Dak? Dak is um, I forget how old Dak Prescott is now, but uh early 30s, isn't he? Or is he getting into mid-30s now? I believe he's mid-30s, and he's had some he's had some injuries the last couple, you know, every other year, really, the last couple years. He's 33. 33. Okay, so crouching into the mid-30s. So you've got him, you've got the cowboys potentially. I don't think the Browns would. They just have too many quarterbacks right now. Yeah, like he's you're not gonna get the reps to see if he's any good. No, and you want to see how Chadur is, anyways.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yeah, so what are the odds better than what you one of the guys you already have?

SPEAKER_01 34:34

Right.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

I mean, like it the the encouraging thing is it is a low cost.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Right, yep. Potentially. I could see the Jets try, maybe take an extra because you get an extra stab at a quarterback then, you could see him this year. If he doesn't pan out, you can just go draft one in the first round next year.

SPEAKER_00 34:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 34:49

Or if he does pan out, you found your guy. Yeah, you don't have to waste an early pick next year. And then um the Cardinals, I just I don't see that because I mean what are the what are the teams that would may potentially need a quarterback next year?

SPEAKER_00 35:06

We got the Cardinals, the Jets, Cardinals, Jets, Cleveland, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, maybe Miami, depending on how the Miami might, depending on how that goes. Potentially the Falcons.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

We think so between Tua and Michael Penix.

SPEAKER_00 35:23

You don't think that you don't think Penix is working out for him?

SPEAKER_01 35:25

He hasn't been good.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

Okay, so we got we're at six. Six, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Um trying to think other teams that maybe would take a stab at it. Um I don't think the Rams would. They just drafted Ty Simpson, right? That doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

They must they must like what they've seen from him, at least in video.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Um no to the Raiders, no to the Chargers, Chiefs, definitely not. With the Vikings. Maybe. I mean, I I don't think so because they already kind of got a mess going on.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

But if the new GM isn't a huge fan of Kyler or JJ, that is that is the the wrinkle with them, is the new GM is making his decisions, and you know, yeah, people love make trying to make making their impression on a thing. Would you I mean the reason new bosses fire people all the time or to make big changes? Jared Goff or with the Lions? Could be the Lions. Jared Goff's getting a little older. So I I mean, but I I don't know how even that, 32 is not all that old.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

Well, I don't know how how many more years does he really have so quarterbacks that are actually good after the age of 36, there's not that many normally.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

No, but even if you even if you're thinking like even like you say he's 32, or if you if you're only even if you're only thinking, you know, we got three more years.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

They also don't have a good backup. So if he were to get hurt, that's true, they would be, you know, you know, same same thing for the Bengals. Joe Burrow has been hurt fairly consistently in his career.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Yep, again, both almost in every other year could make sense there as well. Yeah, so I mean that's what we're at seven, if we include the Lions. Yeah, seven. Um Colts.

SPEAKER_01 37:00

Yeah, that would make sense. I mean, I mean, obviously they they just paid Daniel Jones, but I don't think he's under the contract for that long.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

He's fairly young yet, though, isn't he, Daniel Jones? Is he 30 now?

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Uh he is 29. 29. So his contract only takes him through uh 2027. So But they like him. Well, they liked him last year when he played well, but yeah. He's also never really done that was the best he's ever played. Yeah. So I don't know. But that that could be a spot too. Will he come back from his Achilles injury the same? Uh and then Pittsburgh? I think Pittsburgh. That one to me makes I know they drafted Drew Aller this year, and they drafted um But they're looking, they're searching. Will Howard last year. I mean, yeah, but those were all third round or later picks. They it's not like they committed a ton of draft capital to him. So if you could go get another guy in the room, I mean yes, they have Rogers this year, but let's be honest, Rogers said this was his last year now. Yeah, officially said that.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Which he's never been that that open this this early. No, he's never said I'm done. Yeah, he said I could be done. Yeah, or I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

I don't know. That's usually the answer, I don't know. But yeah, um I mean there's a lot of teams that could, it just all depends on what people are willing to to give up. I think the a third is the highest anybody would pay. But I could see a bunch of teams go, because it's a blind bid, so you don't know. Yeah, it depends on how bad you want them.

SPEAKER_00 38:23

I'm sure communication's you know pretty extensive between all those GMs and stuff, and they're all talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Yeah, but there's a lot of miscon you know, misses. Oh, yeah, nobody's too old.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

Nobody's gonna no, I'm sure nobody's actively you know saying this is what I'm gonna put in, but you'd be able to you you should be having a good idea, be able to gauge interest at least. You you would think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Yeah, that the that's the interesting part because you're just like, well, what you know, what are you gonna do there?

SPEAKER_00 38:46

So that and then you know, just how much does the gambling problem affect your decision too? Yeah. Because you get suspended in the NFL if you gamble, so yeah, same deal.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

I mean Well, if you gamble in the building. If you if you as long as you're not gambling on the NFL, you're not and you're not doing the gambling while inside the facilities. You're a team too, right? Yeah, you well, yeah, but that's you can't gamble on the NFL in general. Yeah, all right. So can't gamble in the NFL and you can't gamble while you're inside a facility. So if you're as long as you're outside the facility, you you can. Yeah. So I guess he could gamble on college sports all he wanted as long as he's not in the building.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

You know, or betting a basketball or something.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Very interesting. Yeah, so that'll be one to watch over the next month just to kind of see where things pan out. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

And then uh you have any other news or um I mentioned Penix already. I haven't heard any other like Viking news.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

I haven't heard a lot of Viking news either. So the one interesting thing that I saw come up for a couple different things actually was so the World Cup obviously is going on now. Yep, group stage is going on. Um so a lot of the NFL players have seen SoFi Field and stuff because that's where some of the games are happening. And they said, Wow, it's natural that they put in real grass for the World Cup. Oh, and they don't usually use world real grass, it's usually turf. They said, Wow, this grass is great. How come we can't get this during the NFL games? So, and and there's been a lot of knocks on the the fake grass and the turf and stuff, right? Because it in theory leads to more ACL injuries and things of that nature. Yeah, it catches people's feet a little bit more, it's not as forgiving, and yeah, you're more likely to tear an ACL. So it'll be really curious to see because there's a lot of football stadiums around the country now that are being used that are all putting in real grass for this.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:40

You know, will there be a movement to get you know more real grass during NFL games?

SPEAKER_00 40:47

That'd be interesting. Because I mean, like, I know a lot of people like the real grass, but like like Green Bay has is famously they have they use real grass. And like it's a hybrid real grass, though. Is it a hybrid?

SPEAKER_01 40:58

There are there is yeah, I looked it up. I looked it up last year, I think, when we we had a we had a conversation about this.

SPEAKER_00 41:04

Um I always think like especially real grass, it gets much more of an advantage to the home field, home team. Because like even even like the away teams, like even though they know this, they know the you know conditions, they know what it is, half a lot of times they still end up having to switch out like you know their spikes or studs or whatever, the shoes, like halfway through the game, because they're falling down. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 41:25

So Lambeau Field uses a natural Kentucky bluegrass playing surface reinforced with SIS grass, a hybrid turf technology, which are synthetic polyethylene fibers that are stitched into the sand-based root zone to keep the sod stable, preventing divots and other things like that.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

What the percentage of it is, you think. Does it say? It does not. I'm yeah. So that's the interesting part, right? Yep. But like they use grow lights and stuff like that to grow, like, because there's enough real grass that needs lights and all that kind of stuff. Well, they bring it in too, don't they? Kind of, yeah. Yeah. So I mean but well, they can also they can also pipe, they all they can also keep it never freezes because they have underground um piping to heat it. So it doesn't ever go like it keeps it around like 70 degrees, the ground.

SPEAKER_00 42:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

So it it's warm.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

I suppose like, especially for like the stadiums that how house multiple teams, you almost need to be going turf. Well, you're not giving enough time for the grass to like to fix itself.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

If you're constantly having games, yeah, it's very hard to write to continue to fix that. And and and replace it if it's being played on constantly and having more than more activities. Lambeau Field doesn't really get played on by anyone else. Um, I mean, the badgers play there every once in a while.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

Yeah, and then like high school state, I think, will play there sometimes. Yes. But even then, I think they usually go down to Madison. They go down to Madison, yeah. A lot of time? Yeah. Yeah. So you not you don't get much.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

No, and so that's that's the interesting thing. You you just they don't get as much, it doesn't get as much play as as a lot of these other, like SoFi. I mean, that stadium is constantly being used for different things. Um, it also makes it easier because they use it for concert venues and things like that. Well, they take away the whole grass. Yeah, you know, they just get rid of the grass completely, they haul it off in chunks and and take it, roll out, and have a concert. So, you know, a lot of those other stadiums get used more or Lambeau feel it, they just leave the grass there and they put stuff over the top of it when you have a concert. Like they'll do it, but it doesn't happen a lot. They don't even really do shows there very often, do they? They have. There's been um a couple country singers were there for stadium tours um recently. I'm trying to, I don't remember who I think Luke Combs was there. Actually, yeah, he was just there. Um Packers players went on stage and chugg beers with him. Oh Matthew, Matt LaFleur was one of them. Oh, was he? Yep, he was up there with him. So um, but yeah, um So that that was just kind of an interesting one. I was curious, you know, you you know, do we think it'll actually lead to any more? I don't think it will in the NFL, just because there's a reason why the NFL's been doing it this way for I mean, they've known about the injury, like they have to have put together and had research on that.

SPEAKER_00 44:14

Yeah, it's one of those things that I'm I'm sure I'm sure they've already done the math. Whether or not the little extra pressure from some players, you know, changes that.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Right. Well, there's already been calls for it. Like supposedly the Metal Lands um in New York is one of the worst stadiums to tear ACLs. Like the mo the mo has like the most ACL tears in the NFL.

SPEAKER_00 44:34

Yeah. Now there's two teams that play there, so there's more games there, but Yeah, which again reiterates that you can't really do an actual, like a real grass there.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

But maybe you know, it could be a different a different turf they could put in.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Yeah, I'm trying to see what their grass type is. So it features a Bermuda grass, scratches natural surface oh to meet the FIFA requirement. They installed Service was installed over the existing artificial turf.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

I don't want to know what it is now. I want to know what it is normally. What is it usually? Yeah. Um because yeah, the FIFA has a higher standard apparently for the requirements. I mean, it makes sense too, because you know they revert to their standard artificial turf for the NFL season, which is the field turf core system. Sounds basic. It does sound very basic, yes. Um I'd be curious to see if there's any more like news on that as the World Cup keeps going. Obviously, there's a number of weeks yet for that to go and play through, but um, yeah, we'll see where that goes. Uh I only had one more thing, unless you have other things.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

No, I mean the other like even sports things is the NBA Finals just finished. Did yes, and and the NHL. Yep, the Knickerbockers they won. The Knicks won, yeah. Yeah, which is whatever.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

First time in what 53 years, I think. Yeah. Since 1973. Yep. So that was pretty cool. That was big. I'm sure Bobby was sad. He likes Victor Women Yan a lot. Women. Oh my god. He likes Victor a lot. He likes Victor a lot. Wemby. He likes Wemby a lot. There we go. Um, and then I saw the Carolina Hurricanes for NHL. That's like the third win. That's like their third win in the last like 15 years, I think.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

Yeah, it was I I think it was even impressive that they lost a game or two in that.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

They lost a couple games to the Vegas Knights. Well, who've also they were an expansion team and they've won a NHL Cup.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

What is pretty crazy is like they are they are very new.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

Yeah. Well, even Carolina came into existence, I think, in the 90s. So they're not even like a super old team. Really goes to show that like what are the Texans even doing?

SPEAKER_00 46:58

Texans? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Oh, there you go. Yeah, okay. I was like, what? What are they even doing that they haven't won yet? I don't know. Really, you know, put some dirt on the Vikings, too. They still haven't pulled it off, and they're really old. You know?

SPEAKER_01 47:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

These hockey teams can do it with no problem.

SPEAKER_01 47:12

This is true. This is true. Um well, I mean, you can go to basketball and you got the Pelicans and the and the uh we don't even talk about that. We don't need those ones don't look as good. No, but um so right now I am going through a redraft dynasty rookie draft.

SPEAKER_00 47:33

Oh, yeah, your rookie draft.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

Um so I had the third overall pick. Um but it went pretty much like our mock went. So it was Jeremiah Love went number one. Yep. Shocker. Carnell Tate went number two. Uh I took Jordan Tyson at number three. Uh Jadarian Price went number four. Uh same person had the pick at number two, so you know they took um they took a wide receiver then.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Yeah, they went differently.

SPEAKER_01 47:59

I think they want they wanted to diversify, get a running back. Um Mikhail Lemon went number five. Um, then Casey Concepcion went, and then Omar Cooper. Bobby took Omar Cooper. Um Fernando Mendoza went number eight to the same team that had the number one overall pick and the number six overall pick. His team's not good. Uh he traded away everyone. Sure. Uh he he has well it's here. Let's see.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

He really wanted this draft.

SPEAKER_01 48:27

His two quarterbacks are JJ McCarthy and Jackson Dart.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Ooh.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

His running backs are Jakori Krosky Merritt, Kyle Manungay, Rakad White, and Isaiah Pacheco. That's not great either. So he he needed Jeremiah Love.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:40

He didn't want to take a running back yet. He told me, because he was trying to trade back to my spot to get another wide receiver. But I was like, I don't he wanted another first next year, and I did not. I have two firsts next year. I do not want to trade them. Sure. Because next year's supposed to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Next year's supposed to be a very good draft. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

And so I have Bobby's pick and my own for next year. So I would very much like to keep those picks and do what I can to have two shots at good players. Yeah. Um, and then at wide receiver, he's got Jaden Reed, Jalen McMillan, Adonai Mitchell, Pat Bryant, Tori Horton, Kay Lambrick for Chargers. I don't even know who that is. It doesn't sound familiar at all. Cooper Cup. Okay. Uh TJ Hawkinson. Okay. Brenton Strange. He also has the Vikings kicker and defense. He's a Vikings fan, if yeah, could you?

SPEAKER_00 49:23

Yeah, it's a lot of Vikings players. Yeah. A lot of Vikings players.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

So, anyways, pick it up where I left off. Uh, so uh uh he took Mendoza, probably needed another quarterback, actually, with a two quarterback season.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

Uh Denzel Boston went at 109, and Chris Bell went at 110.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

Okay, it's nothing too crazy. Maybe Mendoza's a little earlier than that.

SPEAKER_01 49:41

Mendoza's a little earlier than I would have expected. Um what's kind of crazy to me, uh Kenyon Sadiq hasn't been picked yet. And we're into the first pick of the second round.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

So that's I missed that you didn't you didn't say his name.

SPEAKER_01 49:51

Yeah, so that's kind of the big one for me, is that that's true, because he's projected first round, isn't he? Uh yes. Yeah, he was projected to go in the first round, yeah. People are skipping over him.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

They are, yes. If he gets to you, are you gonna draft him? I don't have a pick till the three the first pick in the third round. So definitely, yes.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

If he gets to me, I will definitely be taking him. I'm just hoping it means that like Eli Stowers. I mean, he's he's third on the board right now, so in all likelihood, neither of those guys is gonna make it very far. No. But I'm kind of like, well, I don't know, maybe one of these guys slides down a little further. I I'm sitting pretty good at tight end, though. I have Trey McBride in that league. Oh so I really don't need um.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

Yeah, so you're you're looking for a backup.

SPEAKER_01 50:32

I mean well, I have Trey McBride, I have Hunter Henry. I already have a good backup there. Yeah, and I have Ben Senant and Mason Taylor. Both of I'll probably cut one or both of those guys, honestly. I'm I'm over the roster limit by uh four players.

SPEAKER_00 50:47

I know I'm not looking forward to that in our dynasty league too. Like I'm I'm a ways over the roster, and I got a bunch of picks this year.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

In this league, we can't make um roster moves until they might open it up after the draft. Okay, but until that point, you can't make roster moves anyways. So I'm like, I'm not gonna drop people because why news could come out, people can get hurt. Like yeah, there's anybody, so I don't want to get rid of it. I want to don't want to take a chance.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

Players move teams, they they look good in OFAs or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

I still have Joe Mixon on my team, he's not even on a team. So, like you know, I'll probably cut him. I have Kamani Vidal.

SPEAKER_00 51:26

That is kind of a surprising thing this year, is I feel like there's a lot of big names that are still available.

SPEAKER_01 51:30

There are. They're all old, yeah, but yeah, it it so it's kind of like the is it is it the changing of the guard or will they be signed at some point?

SPEAKER_00 51:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

So we'll see. But yeah, so I I've got that we have two IR spots in this league, so I have two, so I'm over the roster by four technically because none of them are eligible for the IR right now. Yeah, however, I have some players that could end up on the IR like to start the year. Um, like Tinked L. I don't know if he'll be available to start the year or not.

SPEAKER_00 51:58

Oh, he I didn't, I I kind of forgot about him.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

So I I have him in that league. I got him in a side as like a throw-in piece of a deal last year, knowing that he was gonna miss the whole year. I was like, Oh, I'll put him on my IR. But so I have him, and then you know, there's three taxi squad spots, but I only have two first, I have only two rookie picks. So I'll probably have to go drop some.

SPEAKER_00 52:19

This is a first and a third, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

I traded away my second round pick for um Byshell Tutin. Oh, okay. I wanted to get another running back that I thought had a chance to be a starter, which he he does have a chance to be a starter, so yeah, it it added some depth for me because now I have to get some playing time at least. Because now I have Cam Cam Scataboo, Byshell Tutan, um uh David Montgomery, and Chase Brown, and Ramondre Stevenson. So I've got a lot, I don't have any little studs, but I have a lot of good options. No, and and and Scatabo could could be that guy, yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

I hope he is.

SPEAKER_01 52:53

I hope he I hope he does what he said he was was gonna do. You know, he claimed he could go for over 2,000 yards, so I'm like, hey, backflipping the whole way, probably please. Yeah, you won't. Well, and I I uh so last year I drafted Caleb Johnson in the first round in that league, the running back for Pittsburgh. So I'm not thrilled about having him still because he's just not that good. He hasn't done anything, so maybe this is his year.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

I'm not gonna hold my breath. Yeah so that's kind of the problem. It's kind of the issue with the rookie redraft leagues and stuff, or not the redraft, but the rookie draft leagues.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

Is that you know, like those last year guys, like unless you had one of those guys that just ex you know, just exploded, like do you cut them now? Do you cut some of the older guys thinking like, well, they didn't do much last year, but maybe they will this year.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

I mean, it depends on where your team's at, right? If you're gonna contend, then you might need the older guys. Um, sometimes I'll just wait a little bit to see. Um, so in the in the dynasty league you and I are in, um, in that league, you can keep them on the taxi squad for their first two seasons.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Yeah. So it's like I I'm having an issue where I have a lot of players and I have a lot of draft picks this year.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

So, but in so in this league, the the taxi squads don't lock. So you can take guys on and off all year.

SPEAKER_00 54:09

Yeah. So they're like in ours, they locked, ours lock in come week one.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

So ours is so for you, when you have a bunch of draft picks, you know, your first rounders you probably don't put on the taxi squad.

SPEAKER_00 54:20

No.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

And you put the you know, your later round guys, yeah, I'm taking a shot on them, I'll throw them on the taxi squad. Keep the first rounders on your bench, see if they pan out, you know, just as the extra opportunity. So no, it'll be interesting. Yeah, I'm I'm curious to see because we're now into kind of that weird zone that we talked about during the rookie, you know, dynasty rookie draft where it's like, I don't know, anybody could go next. Yeah, like the next 20 picks, I'm like, uh, any of them look good. Yeah, like so. I was talking to um our friend Weston, who's in that league. Okay. And he had the pick. He picked um David Boston at the 109, which I thought was a decent pick from Cleveland. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The second wide receiver for Cleveland, Casey Concepcion was the other one.

SPEAKER_00 55:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 55:01

Um, so but when did he go in the draft? Was he second or third? I think he was a second rounder. Second round pick? Yeah, but it it was like, oh, okay. Um, you know, let's and I said, So I said, Oh, it's a good pick. He goes, eh, I don't know. It was fine. Like, I'm not a you know, whatever. He goes, there's like two or three guys I'm excited for in like the th in the second round. I was like, really? I was like, there's like nobody I'm excited for in the second round. Yeah, they're all he listed them off. They're all guys that are like late second, early third. So it and that just kind of proves the point.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Like it all depends on it's personal taste almost.

SPEAKER_01 55:36

It's all personal taste as to who you liked. So I mean that's that's where it gets interesting. Oh boy.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

It'll be interesting to see if like since this draft is so is considered just so average by just about everybody, I think. Right. If there are still like a comparable number of players who who shoot out, you know, or just like they just burst onto the scene. We'll see. I mean or if if this you know reflects in their talent in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

Like is like it might just reflect it's a midling group. It might just be the midling group that you know you don't get as many big name players out of and they'll come next year.

SPEAKER_00 56:12

Yeah. What do you uh what I suppose if like uh this Texas Tech guy, even if he gets in the NFL, he's just a free agent then for your league. Yeah, because we already drafted. You gotta grid him. If he if he gets on it, if he gets on a decent team. I mean maybe, but probably not because put in a waiver form.

SPEAKER_01 56:29

I don't I don't even know if I would because uh to me that uh in that league the rosters aren't quite big enough. And I already have two quarterbacks, and it's a one quarterback league. Sure. So and I have Joe Burrow and Matt Stafford. And and Sam Darnold's available on waivers.

SPEAKER_00 56:48

So I'm like, Yeah, especially because like you say, I'm not gonna go pick up because like even like you even the staff, you know, Stafford's getting old, he might only have a year or two left. Right like you said, you got two first round picks next year. Right, yeah. Probably a quarterback, especially if Stafford Stafford's talking retirement. I'll I'll be honest, I probably wouldn't even take a quarterback.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

I I don't need I have Joe Burrow, I don't need to.

SPEAKER_00 57:07

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

Like, and here, I'll I'll explain why here in a second. Because so on on the waivers right now, yep. I can't pick them up right now, but I can soon, right? Michael Penix. Okay, uh Daniel Jones, sure, Sam Darnold, okay, Bryce Young, yeah, Aaron Rodgers, sure, Kyler Murray, Tyler Shook, who I honestly I like more than Kyler Murray, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers, Bryce Young. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of it's a lot of questionable guys, but some guys who plenty you could just take a chance on and or or just wait to see who gets hot and go pick them up the first week.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Yeah, especially if you if you need to just have somebody for a week or two, you know, you might be able to get by with one of them.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

I had Daniel Jones a lot last year. I dropped him because of his injury. I just didn't want to sit on him all year.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Yeah, especially you said there's only the two IR picks and you had one with take Dell.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

I might pick him back up because I can put him on my IR if I don't have enough guys to put on IR and just wait to see if he comes back. Because if he comes back healthy and plays well, then great. Yeah. But yeah, we'll we'll see. I I don't in one quarterback leads in dynasty, it's only a 10-team league. So there's I've I've it's I found it's not worth to roster three quarterbacks unless you're I did for a long time, and then it was like I need the roster spot for a running back or a wide receiver.

SPEAKER_00 58:25

Yeah, the players that get hurt a lot, or you really or you you're starting a lot of them, so like you want extra buys to the city.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

Two wide receivers, and you know, there's are there two flex spots in the league? I think there's two flexes.

SPEAKER_00 58:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

So it's like two wide receivers, two flexes, two running backs. Well, then yeah, I gotta figure out who the heck out yeah, yeah, exactly. So you could start up to four wide receivers or running backs.

SPEAKER_00 58:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:49

So I want depth there. I can only start one quarterback in that.

SPEAKER_00 58:53

Because God forbid, like happened to me a couple times last year. You do not want to be playing two tight ends.

SPEAKER_01 58:57

No, not not in this one. In my in my other one, that's a super flex. So there's three flex spots, but that's a tight end premium. So your tight ends get one and a half points a catch. So at least it's a good thing. So you don't feel bad about it. If you can get a good, and I have some good tight ends in that league. I have Tyler Warren, um, and I have Jake Ferguson. So both guys can get a bunch of catches. Yep. So at least they can be worth uh starting. And I actually, actually, a lot of times last year I did start both of them. Yeah. When Jake Ferguson was on a tear getting 10 catches a game.

SPEAKER_00 59:27

You don't you don't feel bad about it, especially if some of some of your other receivers or running backs are on by or they're struggling a little bit at the top moment.

SPEAKER_01 59:33

I believe I had a week where I played them both and they both scored 20 plus points. So it was quite uh lucrative to play them both.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

See, like in our dynasty league, I I put two tight ends a couple times at the end of the weird years because I was like, these actually the other guys they all just stake.

SPEAKER_01 59:45

Well, and that's the hard part, right?

SPEAKER_00 59:47

I don't trust them to score more than this tight end will. Yep, yeah. So all right.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

I think uh next week we are gonna do another mock draft.

SPEAKER_00 59:56

Yep, get Bobby's opinion on some Viking stuff too if you hear back. Yeah, maybe I don't know. We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Vikings are disappearing, apparently. He's scared, he's scared to talk about them. Uh I would be too. Boy, it's fun to pick on him when he's not here. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

Can't defend himself.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:12

Yeah, uh, so yeah, we'll try to do mock draft, get Bobby's opinion. Um, maybe we'll see if even get Weston. I know Weston did some mock drafts with us uh yeah previously, so maybe we can even get him uh in there to do get you know get a non uh computer.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:25

Yeah, throws it up a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:26

It does throw it off a little more, and there's a little less like a little less drag just picking up the the the bottom players. Although this last time when you and I did it, it was computer was shockingly like creative. They were making some moves. I was like, Really? Okay, all right. Shocked me in that one. So so we'll see. Uh be interesting to see in uh obviously training camps coming up soon in about a month. Mm-hmm. So all right. Well, thanks for listening, everybody, and we will talk to you next week. Yeah, bye.