Game Time - Ep. 154

Bobby, Justin, and Ryan play some keep cut games and discuss the most recent NFL news.

Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

All right, welcome back to another episode of the Purple Green Show. I'm Bobby here with Justin and Ryan. Good to have you back, Bobby. Yeah, you know, I always find it weird when because you know I'm like every other week that I am the one doing the intro because it's like I'm only here half the time. Huh? You know? I you know, and I'm not sure. We started it, man. It is we started it. It is, it is for sure. But I always enjoy and love being on. So yes. Well, I got some fun things I'm gonna do tonight. Um, obviously, we'll go over if there's any news, we'll you know, go over the NFL. But you know, this is that time of the year where it's in between training camp really going, the draft is over, mini camps are kind of wrapped up at this point as well. So it's kind of a lull before you start getting into training camps, and then the Hall of Fame game and that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

Unless someone blew themselves up with fireworks again.

SPEAKER_04 0:47

You really don't want a ton of news um circulating out there for either teams. I mean, you just don't want to hear stuff.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

No missing fingers, no blind eyes.

SPEAKER_04 0:56

Yeah, JPP on fireworks. You don't want to pull a fireworks, JPP. Yeah, that would be bad. You almost did on the fourth. Oh, yeah. I I bought that's not good. That was not good. I I did. I was fine, but I did put a hole in the shirt um and then a light burn on the right pecker boob, whatever you'd like to call it. Um either way, uh, I have all ten of my fingers, so that's nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

I got closer to one of those um on Sunday.

SPEAKER_04 1:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:23

So I was lighting, I was showing the kids bottle rockets. They'd never seen bottle rockets before. So I just lit a couple off, but I was putting like two in the bottle, right? At once because I but then the lighter wasn't working very well because it was kind of windy. Sure. So I could only get like one lit at a time. Yep. So then one went off and then the other one's still sitting there, right? But it's kind of like burnt, it started the outside of it on fire. And so I was like, I don't really want to go near it right now. Like, what if it just right there with the bottle? So I'm like kind of standing in front of the kids and like I can't see. I'm like, yeah, I know. That's on purpose. The bottle blows up.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

I don't want it like coming at you. It was it was it was fun. I hope everyone had a good fourth. Uh 250 years. You missed the fireworks, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I believe it. I believe it. Casey brought some. Oh, Casey even showed up. I see.

SPEAKER_03 2:13

They all came later.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

Yeah. I was sleeping. I was sleeping. But uh, I was sleeping too. Um, but yeah, no, uh, I yeah, I'm not even gonna get into all the shenanigans there, but um, it was a good time. You know, nothing screams America, like doing a UFC fight on the front lawn a couple weeks earlier. Like I was that a couple weeks earlier, or was that this last weekend? No, it was a couple weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

That was that was weeks ago.

SPEAKER_03 2:38

That was weeks ago. I thought it was supposed to be, but on Trump's birthday. Then I saw like highlights of it like this last like on Sunday. Yeah. Like showing that it was kind of like the right part. I was like, wait, wait a second. I thought it was part of the 250th celebration. Did you see any of like the highlights at least of the fireworks shows in DC and stuff? No, I didn't. Holy crap. Yeah, I'm you gotta look them up. I'm sure it was. Or in uh Vegas. Vegas was pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_04 3:03

Um Tokyo did a fireworks show. They should. We rebuilt that country after World War II. Sort of. I mean, we did blow it up first, but we did rebuild it.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

France wants baseball Happy 250th on the Eiffel Tower. That's good. So there was all that. So that was pretty cool. It was pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

France did gift us the Statue of Liberty. They did. Remember that, folks. But uh, they were our first allies, so yes, they were. They really saved us against the British. They did indeed, yes. So of course they just hated the British, but you know what? We'll take it. That's why we're here 250 years later. Thank you, France. All right. Um, a few things today. Um, first thing off, Ryan, what's going on? Important news. Give me important news in the NFL. What's going on right now?

SPEAKER_02 3:46

Um uh there was the Travis Kelsey and um and Taylor Swift got married at some point. I think it was Friday.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

Oh, it's Edison Square Garden. That's that's a heck of a venue for a while. Adam Sandler officiated. Boy, I would love to just hear how that was officiated.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

I bet you was done really well. Adam Sandler has been moved to the same woman the entire time.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

I meant like you know he's got to have some good jokes in there. Oh god, yeah. That's what I'm like, that's what I want. I just want to hear what like what are the jokes because they're good.

SPEAKER_04 4:15

His marriage advice, I don't know if you had heard this, Ryan.

SPEAKER_02 4:18

I I honestly I I saw that saw like an article pop up and I swiped it away.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

So apparently his marriage advice was kiss her as often as you can. Kiss her in the morning, you know, kiss her, you know, before you leave to go to work. You know, if you're getting into a small fight, kiss her afterwards, you know. Just I was like, okay, well man, I need some chapstick. Seems like a lot of kissing. Um, but anyway, that was his advice. Like, hey, you know, stay intimate, stay close to each other, and that'll help you through the tough times. Okay, whatever. Adam Sandler is officiating your wedding. I wonder what his fee is to officiate anyone's normal wedding outside of James and Travis Skelsey.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

I'm imagining he's he's not doing normal weddings.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

No, yeah, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

He might sing at him.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Wedding singer. I like what you did. I like what you did there. Absolutely. Um, so that happened. Also, Brandon Ayuke loves to make YouTube videos that do not help him. Oh man. I saw he's fighting around again with someone. Very painful. So um, just to kind of summarize that, it it this to me, I I I don't understand where he's coming from. Maybe it's a different way of processing information than what I would do necessarily, but I I don't believe the way that he's going about this is helping his case. So he signed a four-year $120 million contract in the offseason of 2024. Um after he got hurt in 20, 20, 24 during that season, he did not go about his rehab the way the 49ers wanted him to do that, therefore voiding some of his guaranteed money. That has put him at an impasse with the Niners for quite some time. So he's now on a different list. I don't know if you knew that. I did not know that now. So uh let me let me look up the name because it's a name I had never heard of before. We'll keep looking that up while I keep kind of going over this high level. So he has been at an impasse with the Niners, and it's been going on for quite a while. I mean, he wasn't playing when he could have played last year at times. Um all in all, he's essentially been trying to egg on John Lynch, the general manager for the 49ers, to release him from the San Francisco 49ers. And I know Justin, you may have something to say about this considering the list he's on. No. Um but he wants to go and play for the Washington Commanders and Jaden Daniels, who was his high school or his college quarterback um when he was in college, so he wants to go play with them. Okay, he's making a number of videos really talking some serious shit to John Lynch, which doesn't really look good when you're talking shit to another person.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

He also got into a spat with Jaden Daniels on Twitter, and that's where I was coming in.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

So then he's like, Yeah, Jaden, come on, you know, come get me and all this stuff. And then Jaden Daniels said something, you know, out there of like, hey, it's my team, you're gonna do my way, and you're gonna follow my rules. Brandon was like, I'm a grown man, you can shut up, I'm gonna do it my way. Which I'm like, at this point, I'm so confused because I'm like, You hate Jade John Lynch, who's employing you. You want to go play with Jaden Daniels, your college quarterback, and now you're telling him screw you. No, no, no, no, screw you. I'm gonna do it my way. It doesn't sound like anyone wants you at this point.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

So he has been put on the left squad list. Oh, wow, what is this? Do tell he left the squad. Okay, basically. Yeah, reserve slash left squad list. I've never heard of that either. Essentially, if he's on this list, he does not count toward the 90 meet 90 day 90 man roster and is not paid by the team. Oh, but the 49ers still own all rights to him in terms of contract. Oh, nice. So he's kind of stuck until he gets his head out of his ass and figures his stuff out.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

So, what does he have to do to get off that list?

SPEAKER_03 8:10

Does he have to attend training?

SPEAKER_04 8:11

He needs to show up.

SPEAKER_03 8:12

Okay. He needs to actually attend something, yeah. Sure. Which he's not doing. They could trade him, but I don't know, they don't really have a reason to trade him.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

No, unless unless you get good value for him from someone.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

Well, here's the thing it's not like they're paying him.

SPEAKER_04 8:25

It's not like where the Niners' hand would be forced is if he starts showing up to Well, sure, he's gonna have to. If he wants something to happen, he's gonna have to show up. Because the Niners don't want to pay him the contract that he's got. Oh, hell no, it's so expensive. It's a crazy contract. At the same time, if you just release him outright, you're still paying part of that contract because he'll sign for a week minimum.

SPEAKER_03 8:45

But he did tell the 49ers he would not return.

SPEAKER_04 8:48

Well, and see, then at that point the Niners are like, Well, this is the best outcome for them, too. It's great, cool. We're not gonna trade you, and we're not gonna cut you. Well, we're not gonna cut you, and I'll let you sign with whoever and then pay for you know money in your contract. Right, exactly. Yeah, you're not costing us anything, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:03

Unless they get a really big sweetheart deal from another TV offering.

SPEAKER_04 9:07

It does, it does bring up some questions where it's like again, I don't understand where he's coming from, so it's very hard for me. But I I have to ask, it doesn't, it seems the behavior and the messaging that Brandon Ayuk is sending is self-destructive. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. He's not helping himself. No. And so that makes me then question obviously you don't have the right people around you, you don't have the right support staff. At the same time, uh, are you getting what you need to be a professional at a high level and play football? Clearly, the way that this messaging has been coming out through social media, he is not, in my opinion. Therefore, this is kind of sad because it's like this guy's 28, 26. I don't even know if he's that old. He's not that old, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Yeah, if he doesn't play this year, that's that's a waste of one of his top, you know, his best years.

SPEAKER_04 9:57

Five years, yeah. He's I don't even know how old he is. Um he can't be that old. I mean Brandon Ayuk is 28. Oh, he's older than I thought, actually. Oh, but still. So that's a little concerning where it's like, ah, you know, I want him to figure it out, whatever that is. But yeah, yeah, that's been interesting. So um I don't know, Packer News.

SPEAKER_03 10:21

Uh I don't have any Packer news. Um, news from around the league. I've got uh Baker Mayfield and Vita Vay, neither are close to contract extension with the Bucs. Oh, that's still dragging on it. Probably not. Um some fun news schedule-wise came out for next year. Um so the NFL Scouting Combine is not going to be until March 1st through the 8th. March 1st through the 8th, okay. And legal tampering will begin on March 9th, the day after the Scouting Combine.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Oh my.

SPEAKER_03 10:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

That's way early.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

Well, it it it's only a couple days earlier for the league.

SPEAKER_04 11:02

Oh, yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

I guess that's usually around the 10th or 11th, but the combine's like a week, two weeks later. Okay. So that that part's the interesting part. So all those teams will have gotten together, you know, trades and stall that thing. That they can, I mean, they can discuss those kind of things, right? Yeah. Without talking to the players and stuff like that. They can they can do that. So on March 9th, we very well could see some massive trades just boom, all of a sudden hit right off the bat. Because teams have just talked about it. So that could get interesting next year. For sure.

SPEAKER_04 11:30

For sure.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

I do like that.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

Um, that's about all I have for news. There is not much out there.

SPEAKER_04 11:36

Yeah, I keep hearing whisperings for the Vikings. It's you know, trying to figure out Kyler Murray, JJ McCarthy. Okay. There's a way to train yeah. Training camp's gonna have to come, and and you're gonna have to. We need to see some real football. Um, but what I'm gonna do is I get this uh a lot from different reels that I watch. I'm gonna play a couple of different games for you guys today, and I want to go back and forth. Alright. Um, this first game is called Keep Four, Cut Four. So I am going to name eight wide receivers from 2010 to 2019 based on their production. Okay. From 2010 through 2019. And it's wide receivers first here that we're gonna go with. Alright. Keep four, cut four. Okay. Okay. That's a lot of players.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

So basically our favorite four of those eight.

SPEAKER_04 12:25

Well, it's just out of who do you think are the best? You know, I might I might not pick the top guys, by the way, either.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

So it's just the ones we like the most.

SPEAKER_04 12:34

Potentially, but you also think of like, are there better guys would you keep or cut those guys? You know, um I'll throw out a name right away to start. Um, do we have to decide right away? Uh yeah, which we don't know the name or cut. So you don't know what's going on. No, we don't need to know the next one? Not right away. You have to decide which camp you're keeping them in right away. Can we change? No, that's what makes it fun. All right. First name I'm gonna throw out Deshaun Jackson. Keep him.

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Yeah, I think a keep. He's he's a very good player. He's a very good player. You can't really go wrong with him.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

No. Okay. So we're gonna keep Deshaun Jackson. I would. Right off the get-go. Okay. I would.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

His kick return ability and punt return ability alone.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

Okay, I I can understand.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

He's won games. He got the Eagles in the playoffs on a punt return.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

Okay, okay. I like it. Um AJ Green. He's a tougher one.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

He is. Um I don't know if I don't know if he's, you know.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

AJ Green.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

He might be a cut. He might be a cut for me. I'm scared that like the other players will be just too good.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

11 years in the NFL? 10,000 receiving yards.

SPEAKER_04 13:48

It's only for his for his production from 2010 to 2019. Alright.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

Well then he only played. Fair enough. Okay. Well, his last three years were not all that impressive. So he only tagged on a little bit there, and he only tagged on like six to seven touchdowns, so. I'm just curious here.

SPEAKER_02 14:09

Comparison. Oh, come on, Justin, just vibe check it. You pick then, right? I said I'd cut him. You cut him? I don't know. I don't know why. I think I caught him too.

SPEAKER_04 14:19

Yeah, okay. Julio Jones.

SPEAKER_02 14:24

Yeah, he's a capable.

SPEAKER_04 14:25

Yeah, I feel like this one's like Julio Jones is a monster.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Yeah, he was. He would carry pretty much any name.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

In that time period, Julio Jones had 12,125 receiving yards. Uh averaged 96.2 yards a game during this time period. I mean, he was very dominant. Uh next name I'm gonna throw out there, DeAndre Hopkins. We're keeping Deshaun Jackson, we're keeping Julio Jones, we're cutting AJ Green, Deshaun or um uh DeAndre Hopkins.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

He's a tough one. That was like his prime his prime years, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:02

I would say keep him.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

You think he's a key?

SPEAKER_03 15:05

I would keep DeAndre Hopkins. He was absolutely dominant. He was a three-time all-pro.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Yeah, I'll I'll keep him.

SPEAKER_04 15:13

So we've got only one more player we can keep, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

Yeah, I know. That's what kind of scared me about keeping him.

SPEAKER_04 15:19

Okay, uh, I'll throw out my next one, Jordy Nelson.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

I caught him. Yeah, I think he's a cut compared to these other guys.

SPEAKER_04 15:25

Man, I got the Packer guys to cut Jordy. Apparently, this is a win for the compared to the other ones I would cut. Okay, okay. We're cutting Jordy Nelson. Um, so we've cut Jordy Nelson and AJ Green.

SPEAKER_03 15:36

We have kept Julio Jones, DeAndre Hopkins. DeAndre Hopkins and Julio Jones are both better than Deshaun Jackson. Deshaun Jackson, it's a very different style player than Jordy, but I I think he's more dynamic.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

I'd say so. I'll throw it Antonio Brown. So we've we've cut two only? Yep.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

So we can keep one more player. So we got three left? That's the hard part, is Antonio Brown was absolutely dominant. There's only like there's only one other guy that I'd be worried that you would name. Yeah, I just he didn't play long enough during that time frame to make it make him good enough. Sure. The one I'm thinking of is Calvin Johnson. Because but he started back in 2007. Yep. So he was done in 2015. Yep. So he's only half that time frame. Yeah. I'm gonna say keep Antonio Brown because Antonio Brown was 2010 to two 2021.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

I I'll I'll cut him just to keep my last slot open.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

I would keep Antonio Brown. Ballsy, ballsy, I like it. I would keep him.

SPEAKER_04 16:39

Okay, so we got a kind of a um uh non-consensus there. Well, Justin's not who just cuts now. So there's two more players. Two more players. Got him.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

You tell me you tell me, Ryan, who would you keep out of these two?

SPEAKER_04 16:51

Okay. He's a cut. Okay, I've got Demarius Thomas. Okay. And Larry Fitzgerald.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was gonna I was gonna I was gonna cut Thomas. Okay, I was I was gonna I was gonna go to keep the last one. Larry Fitzgerald? Yeah, why not?

SPEAKER_04 17:08

Well, it's Sharking because you're cutting them both anyway. I am, yeah. So Okay, so the consensus keeps were Deshaun Jackson, would you look back at that?

SPEAKER_03 17:16

Would you keep them now or I would flip Larry Fitzgerald in for Deshaun Jackson? That's the only change I would make.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

Okay, so you then would have Larry Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, and DeAndre Hopkins. Yeah. That's a good list. You, Ryan, have Julio Jones, Larry Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins, Deshaun Jackson. Yeah, which I feel fine about. Uh so just looking at it from a statistical standpoint, the best wide receivers one through five on just receiving yards during that time frame. During that time frame was Julio Jones, Antonio Brown. Yep. They both were the only two over 11,000 yards. Makes sense. Larry Fitzgerald had over 10,000. Yep. Demaris Thomas then came in at 9,700.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Yeah, I just for me, Demaris Thomas was a lot of uh Peyton Manning.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

Now again, this is only yards. I'm gonna go through some other ones too. But yeah. AJ Green at 8,900, DeAndre Hopkins at 86, Calvin Johnson, who I didn't name, was at 85. Yeah. Um, Deshaun Jackson was at 83. I know he did some other things. Yeah. Um, if you look at actual receptions, the leader was Larry Fitzgerald with 855, then Antonio Brown. Javy Hopkins should have been on there. Samaris Thomas there was there. You don't think so? DeAndre Hopkins was uh ninth on that list. He was receiving yards, he was sixth, ninth in receptions. Let's go to touchdowns, and DeAndre Hopkins was 12th. 12th.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

12th, okay.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

Yeah. Rob Gronkowski was number one. But I think he's not in the list, though. He's a wide receiver, he's not a wide receiver. Antonio Brown. Um, Des Bryant is actually second on the list with at 73. Jordy Nelson was uh third with 68 touchdowns. So uh AJ Green fourth. So uh that was uh first iteration of keep four, cut four. What what would have been yours? I would have for sure if it uh just for me, I would have gone Antonio Brown for sure. Uh if you had to keep him. I think he was probably in all seriousness he was the most dominant during that time frame. Of everyone although Julio's Julio's right there. Julio's right there. Those two for me are like those two could take win a game on their own locks. Um Larry would have been there for me. Larry's the second most of all-time receiving cards, and I know that was 17,000 in some.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

And his prime years were yeah, he was a tough one though, because you left him from last.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

I did. I left him for last. Um, four, honestly, if I had to pick one during that time frame, Jordy. No, no. I understand DeAndre Hopkins a lot because he was a freak for a few dominions in that. More than a few, more than a few.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

And he had terrible quarterback plays. Yes, he did. And he played amazing.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

He was very, very good. I can understand DeAndre Hopkins a lot. I mean, who were there quarterback those years? I also could get on board if someone was like, you know what, I understand it. He only played a few years in the decade, but Calvin Johnson could have been, I could have sniffed around with that. Yeah, where I'm like, I get that too. He was a monster. Demarius Thomas, based off production, probably should be for just off of production. You go touchdowns, receptions, receiving it's Demarius.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

He's probably right there. Okay, so uh uh DeAndre Hopkins, his quarterbacks, 2013, his rookie season, Matt Schaub and Case Keenum. 2014, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Ryan Mallet, and Case Keenum. 2015, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallet, TJ Yates, and Brandon Wheaton.

SPEAKER_04 20:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

Four of them. 2016, Brock Osweiler and Tom Savage. 2017, Tom Savage, Deshaun Watson, and TJ Yates. And then he finally got Deshaun Watson for a full season in 2018.

SPEAKER_04 21:07

Now, would you guys want to play another iteration of this game? Sure. Yep, run it back. Okay, I'm gonna run it back now. I'm gonna jump over to running backs? Quarterbacks. Quarterbacks. We still same time. We still four and four campaigns. Keep four, same time frame, 2010 to 2019. I like this time frame kind of for, you know, most of us should have been watching just about every football game during this decade. So I'm gonna name four. Yeah, that's fine. Cut four, keep four. Okay. Okay. And and and this is, you know, I can understand, you know, argument of championships. You guys kind of have to have that debate amongst each other on, you know, is it stats or championships? I understand, you know, both sides of it. I'm gonna throw out the first name, keep four, cut four, or first one up. Cam Newton.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Cut I think I think I'm gonna keep Cam Newton out of your top four quarterbacks of the deck.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

I think so. I got four. I can't which are five.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

It's such a hard one because like he he was he's a very dynamic player. He was very good in the years that he was very good.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

He's very good for only a couple years.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

But like that's the problem for me. Oh yeah, I don't know what else Bobby'll name, though.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

I mean, he might have he's probably one I'll regret.

SPEAKER_04 22:16

He might have one of the highest ceiling seasons, though. Yeah, great. Yeah, he has great one.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

His MVP season, he was amazing. Yeah, he was 2015, I want to say that was, or something like that. I mean, I can find it. Uh 2015, yes.

SPEAKER_04 22:28

Okay, I'm gonna throw out uh my next one. Okay. Here is going to be.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

What year do you think he had his most passing yards though? 2019 or something. 2011 is rookie season. Most passing yards rookie season. Oh that that's kind of crazy, though.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Next one I'm gonna throw out there is um so uh Ryan Keppcam Newton. Yep, Justin Cut. Uh Russell Wilson. Keep. I'll cut him.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

Okay. He brought him to two Super Bowls, won one of them. One yard away from handing it off to March. That's not on him, though. I mean, I'll be honest. That's play call. That's you're he is not gonna overrule the offensive hard to one yard line out in the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_04 23:09

Yeah, it's hard to call uh you know, just uh I'm gonna opt out to a running play here. And he started rookie season.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Did he take him to the Super Bowl's rookie season? No, no, it wasn't second year, but he went to the playoffs the rookie season. So to me, he I he's got a bad stigma around him now, but he was so dominant back then. Okay. So dominant. You're cutting him?

SPEAKER_02 23:30

Yeah, I'm cutting him. I like I like Russell Wilson, but I think he he relies so much on the team around him. You know, compared to like Cam degree compared to like Cam Newton, the first time. I know that Cam Newton's just like an athletic freak.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

You know Russell Wilson ran around and made people miss more than anybody.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

He was very talented. I just think like he he relied more on the just that he had a good team with him.

SPEAKER_04 23:50

Okay, so since I named these two quarterbacks back to back, uh both of them kind of had somewhat of a similar play style of the city. Oh, they do, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

They did for sure.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

Um, next guy on the list, Philip Rivers.

SPEAKER_03 24:04

That's hard.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

Granted, Philip Rivers was drafted again. I 2004.

SPEAKER_03 24:08

I'm gonna I'm gonna say cut. I I think I keep Rivers. I'm cutting him. I'm I'm holding out hope you're gonna actually put some good quarterbacks on the list. Yeah, yeah, I get to. I get to there's like, I don't know, four others that I'm like, yeah, they should be on the list.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

See, for me, for me, like Rivers, like he he suffered from his team.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

You know, he was at his back in the 2000s, not the 2010s. From for me.

SPEAKER_02 24:35

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

He his best, his best games, his best years were all in the in the 2000s, not in the 2010s.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Yeah, I just think if you'd put him on like Seattle instead of Russell Wilson, like he would have just so we we looked at his wins, Ryan, right? Yeah, we were looking at him last week.

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Last week, uh most of his double-digit win seasons all came in the 2000s. I believe he had one. He was very consistent. I thought he was fine last year. He played three games, he lost all three. He was okay. He did good for a 42-year-old or whatever. Yeah, he played last year. It's nuts to me. He was a grandpa. Don't don't worry on pro football uh focus whatever the uh no, uh uh what is this pro football reference? When you go in there and you know they list the years and what they were doing. Yeah. In the bl in the years he didn't play, it just says like high school football coach for this whatever team. You're like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 25:21

All right, next one up on the list. So we've got uh you are keeping right now or complete opposites, Phillip Rivers and Cam Newton, and you're just keeping Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson. All right. Uh quarterback number four, Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Yeah, he's a keep.

unknown 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:37

There's no debate on that one, especially in the 2010s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yeah. No, I mean he was ignore in that time frame, I believe. Ignore those. He was he's such he was so talented.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

Three Super Bowls, two MVPs in that time frame?

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

That's yeah, yeah. No one did as much. So okay. Um Ben Rothesberger.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

Oh god. That one's tough. Is he my fourth keep, Justin? He'd be my last one. You're gonna keep him over in case he says Rogers or Breeze? I know. That's the scary thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

If either of those are on the list, you can't keep Ben Rothbard.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

And you know one of them is. No, I think I gotta cut him. I think he can't be my last spot.

SPEAKER_04 26:15

I got what, two keeps right now? Like you gotta look at who else you've kept, and you're like, man, that's hard to keep those and not then keep Russell's burger. So you go, you kept but Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, that might keep Burger. No, he didn't keep Russell. Oh, I'm sorry, you you cut Russell. You kept Cam Newton, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, yes.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Yeah. And so I've kept two, I've cut two for four in.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

Yeah, so you've kept Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. And I've yeah, and I cut Cam Newton and Philip Rivers.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

Correct. So for me, Ben Rothesberger, he does have a 5,000 yard season in the 2010s. Um very good win percentage. Good win percentage, no Super Bowls, though. Both his Super Bowls came in the 2000s. I'm gonna cut him. I forget this word that we're doing just the time frame too. Well, you get tainted by the Philip Rivers and and Ben Rothesberger were dominant in the late 2000s.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

He won't not be. No, it's just like I'm just picturing them in their like throughout their career, you know.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

Ben Rothesberger's close for me because he threw for 5,000 yards in a season.

SPEAKER_04 27:18

Oh, yeah, he didn't get 2018 or something. I mean, they're correct. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:22

And that's why he's close for me, but I I I've got to cut because I gotta think you got a couple of the other guys on here yet.

SPEAKER_04 27:27

Yeah, I mean, um, okay, and Ryan, you're cutting him too. You said I got one keep left. Okay, so we're down to two final players. I gotta keep him both. The next player I have on here is Andrew Locke. Well, that sucks.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Oh, yeah. We got more than two left, don't we? We have two left. Only two left? Oh, he's a cut for me. I'm waiting for you.

SPEAKER_03 27:47

Well, I gotta keep him, but waiting on the last one. It it's close. For me, he was very dominant in the 2010s. But I I if if I were to go back, I would I would keep Big Ben over him, I think.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

Okay, and last quarterback I'm gonna name is Aaron Rodgers. All right. I'm gonna keep him.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

He's my last keep. Two two MVPs during that time frame and a Super Bowl. I feel pretty good about my last. That's a no-brainer.

SPEAKER_04 28:08

I left two off the list that very easily could have been on there.

SPEAKER_03 28:11

Drew Brees and Matt Ryan.

SPEAKER_04 28:13

Peyton Manning. Uh Peyton Manning is further down the list from a statistical standpoint. He only played 56 games.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Yeah, but he got his fifth MVP award and 20 and he won the Super Bowl. But he only played Mm-hmm. But Matt Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan would be the other one. He won the MVP in 2016.

SPEAKER_04 28:31

Matt Ryan and Drew, uh Matt Ryan and Drew Brees. Uh Drew Brees is the big one.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Is the big one because he um he threw for 46,000 yards in that time frame.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

So your keepers, Ryan, were Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, uh Phillip Rivers, and Cam Newton.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Which I feel pretty good, but Cam Newton was the kind of the fishy one that I kept, which I kind of I figured when I when I picked him, kept him that I'd be like, I might regret that one.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

If I could pick my specific four, I would go Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, and Big Ben.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Those would be my four.

SPEAKER_02 29:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

Sure. If I was gonna just if I just had the eight. That's why it's the fun game. No, I don't. But if I had my the eight to just choose, you know what the crazy thing is though? Drew Brees, the 46,000, that would probably put him, what is that, top five all time?

SPEAKER_04 29:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

Just from twenty two thousand ten to twenty nineteen. Yeah. That's insane.

SPEAKER_04 29:19

Yeah, I mean, you look at yards, you're right. Drew Brees is leading at 46,000. Matt Ryan at 44. Phillip Rivers at 44. That helps kind of justify your pick a little bit more. Philip Rivers, third all time. He did a lot of passing.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

I'm fine on the Philip Rivers key. The Cam Newton one was kind of like Tom Brady. I don't like Cam Newton.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

So then Matt Stafford, Eli Manning.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

I don't know if it was the dabbing or what, but I did not like it. The towel thing always bugged me. I don't know why. It should.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Yeah. He he always always like had his the towel's head his head with like a yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

It was the dabbing that did it for me.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

I absolutely hated that.

SPEAKER_04 29:56

Drew Brees, then Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers 4. Honestly, I'm looking more into the data. Philip Rivers is there. And I'm like, man, Philip Rivers might have actually been a very good pick there. Then Matt Ryan, then Stafford, Manning Rothesburg.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

The hard part is Big Ben just won so much. Yes. I think they always won.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

I think if I could if I could pick, I'd keep those three, and then I think um I'd pick Big Ben instead of uh I guess the last one last one that I have would be running backs of this time period.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Okay, I'm gonna keep Adrian Peterson.

SPEAKER_04 30:29

We'll see if he gets picked. He might not get picked. You never know. Right? I held off Breeze and Matt Ryan off the last list. All right. Um we'll go right off the get-go. Member, keep for cut for LaShawn McCoy. Keep him.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

I'll keep him too. Running backs are harder for me to remember exactly.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

She's like SNL guys. He's absolutely dominated during that time frame. I mean, he's probably one of the top top leaders in rushing yards, even in that during that time frame, too. And in scrimmage yards for that matter. Sure. I don't know where he falls exactly in terms of yardage from that time frame, but he's got to be close to number one.

SPEAKER_04 31:09

Sure. Alright, um, next one, I'm gonna throw out Arian Foster.

SPEAKER_02 31:14

Cut. Yeah, I think I'll cut him too. I'm gonna cut him. He he I don't remember. I feel like he fell off, but maybe that was just at the end of his career. He did fall off.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

He he was a three or four years, I think, of dominance. And that was it.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

Not that that's bad for a running back, but no, that's good, but if you're looking at a whole decade, Arian?

SPEAKER_04 31:36

I A-R-I-A-N.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

Arian.

SPEAKER_04 31:42

Yeah, Arian. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

For some reason I wanted to write Aaron. Yeah, he only played. I mean, he played eight years. He had three absolutely good. Four dominant years, though. He had 1600 yards in one year, 16 touchdowns. That is a really good year. Holy crap.

SPEAKER_04 31:57

Alright, so you guys both kept uh McCoy Arian Foster. Mark Ingram.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Mark Ingram. I'm gonna cut him. Really? My first instinct was keep him.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

I'll keep Ingram. I want to say Arian Foster has better stats than Mark Ingram does. I'll tell you that right now. Does he? We'll see. We'll see. Mark Ingram never broke 1124 yards.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

Alright, next up on the list, we're gonna keep it for 12 years. Yeah. We're gonna go with Todd Gurley. Keep oh keep him. Remember, it's 2010 to 2019.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

I'll keep him.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

I don't care.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Justin over Justin Everett.

SPEAKER_03 32:42

Just talk about it. We just talked about his head. He was absolutely dominant when he played. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

Future Hall of Famer right there. Yep. Both keep. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

All right. Future Hall of Famer.

SPEAKER_04 32:53

Lashawn McCoy. Both of you kept. You both kept uh Todd Gurley. Um you kept Mark Ingram. You cut Mark Ingram, and you both cut Arian Foster. Next up on the list, Marshawn Lynch. Oh, dang it. I'll keep him.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Dang it. What are the odds? What are the odds to say Adrian Peterson yet?

SPEAKER_03 33:15

Pretty He will either say Adrian Peterson or Jamal Charles yet. One of the two for sure. I only got one more. I only got one more. I know Body.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

One of those two, guaranteed. I think I I guess I got it. I gotta keep Lloyd, and then I'll feel sad. You're gonna be sad. Alright, the last two.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

I still have one keeping it. Yes, you do, so I will go through. You are correct in Jamal Charles. I knew you'd have him in there. Is he your next one you're listing? He's the next one I'm listing. Jamal Charles. You gotta cut him, right? You got one keep, one cut left. Jamal Charles.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

He's more of a fantasy football thing. But if Adrian Peterson he burned me in the years he got hurt, I somehow had him both seasons he got hurt. Yeah, he got hurt quite, you know.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Oh, he was fantastic for me.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

And Bobby had him all the years were great. And I just like I I freaking hate Jamal Charles because of it. So you're gonna cut him? I want to, but I know he was very, very good. What if it's Adrian Peterson at the last spot though? The other problem is there's another guy that there could be I have a different guy who's coming.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

It's not AP. It's not AP. It's not AP. I'm not gonna get spoilers.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

There is one guy, though, still, that if it's him, I would well, two guys. I would probably keep over him. Well, then maybe are you good to keep or cut? I think I'll cut Jamal Charles.

SPEAKER_04 34:29

And the last running back that I'm picking is Matt Forte. Ah, gross.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

You changed your mind once I go through the data. No, I didn't. You changed your mind. I didn't. I'll keep Matt Forte. I don't hate that. I don't hate it. Actually, he was very good runner. All right, so Ryan, you're keeps. I thought you were gonna go Frank Orr. Yep, Frank Orr's up there. I was like, I'll take Frank Orr.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

So, Ryan, you went LaShawn McCoy, you went Marshawn Lynch, you went Mark Ingram, and you went with uh Todd Gurley. Yeah. Okay. Justin, you went with Todd Gurley, LaShawn McCoy, um Beast Mode. Beast mode, Marshawn Lynch, and Matt Forte. If you're going purely off yards out of the players I picked, LaShawn McCoy would be one, Marshawn Lynch two, Matt Forte three. Yep. Okay. Um further down that list, Todd Gurley is 16th.

SPEAKER_03 35:22

Well, he's he's much lower on the list, but uh he obviously he was more my pick for the domination he had. Which is why I picked him. Yeah. I mean, I mean when he played, he was absolutely dominant.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

If you look at uh yards a game, which helps with this a little bit, maybe with Gurley. Um number one I did not pick was Ezekiel Elliott. Arian Foster was number two at 84.7.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

When I pulled up his stats, it Arian Foster is very good. He had four good years in five years.

SPEAKER_04 35:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

Which is um pretty impressive rate. It is. He his career was short. I did not last long.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

I did not pick Le'Veon Bell, but Todd Gurley did come in at five.

SPEAKER_03 35:58

Let's put it this way. So Arian Foster, he burst onto the scene and he he only had four good years. Yep. Out of the eight. Yeah. So his first year, he only had 257 yards. Then 1,600 yards and 16 touchdowns.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

Then 1200 yards, 10 touchdowns, 1,400 yards, 15 touchdowns. Only played eight games, 500 yards and a touchdown. Then he played 13 games, 1,200 yards, eight touchdowns, four games, 163 yards and a touchdown. Four games, started only two of them, 55 yards. Yeah. Like just, I mean, when he was on, he was very good.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

He's an interesting Todd Gurley comparison. Because Gurley Luckino retired, and if you look at Foster kept playing.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

If you look at it this way, touchdown leaders during the time period. Okay, number one was AP. Number two, LaShawn McCoy. Yeah, makes sense. Number three, Marshawn Lynch. Yeah. Number four, Mark Ingram. Yeah, he had a lot of touchdowns. He played for one. Number five, Todd Gurley. Arian Foster actually came in at eight. Todd Gurley had a lot of touchdowns. A lot of touchdowns. Todd Gurley didn't use a monster. He had 58 touchdowns in 73 games. To put this in perspective, the amount of games played ahead of him. Adrian Peterson had 71 in 118. LaShawn McCoy had 69 in 144 games. That's why Todd Gurley was so dominant. Marshawn Lynch had 68 and 108. Mark Ingram had 60 and 120. Todd Gurley had 58 and 73. Dude, he was a touchdown. He's almost a one-to-one. Yes, it is absolutely ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

If you look at his whole career, because Ryan and I were looking at that, it's almost one for one term.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

He's right that he's he was on the same kind of pace.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

It's just that the the those years on his career just kind of tainted it.

SPEAKER_04 37:53

He also had Arian Foster also had about 160 more receiving yards and caught about 29, 30 extra catches in there. Yeah. Um, you know, it's very comparable to receiving yards, actually. Yeah. Very close. Receiving touchdowns, 14 for Arian Foster, 12 for Todd Gurley.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

I I would actually argue that what are the rushing yards between Arian Foster and Todd Gurley?

SPEAKER_04 38:18

During this time period, um Todd Gurley had 5,404 rushing yards in 73 games. Oh, and Arian Foster in 70 games. 6,200 some at 6,270. Yeah. You could almost make an argument here that Arian Foster, given the amount of games that they both played from 2010 to 2019. Yeah, for that range, yeah. For that range, I could make an argument Arian Foster might have been better, yes. Yeah. Which is crazy to think of.

SPEAKER_03 38:47

I wouldn't ever have thought that he was very, very good in the early 2010s. He was done by 2014. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

So I mean which honestly, like when when you said the name, I was like, I remember being disappointed in him.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

Uh because which is probably the later years. In fantasy, like he had great years and then he all of a sudden would do nothing. Yeah, which probably had another good year and then did nothing again.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Yeah, which I'm sure is what's what's tainting my memory of him.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

What you're thinking is 2012 to 2015. 1400 yards, 500 yards, 1200 yards, 163 yards. Yeah, I know. I was up and down. Ruthless.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

So um next thing I actually wanted to do, and if you guys are open to this, and you want to talk about Todd Guru some more? Um how much we love actually anyone, any one of us three could participate in this game because it's actually a bidding style, um, where it then becomes. So I'm gonna pick a player out there. Okay. I want you guys to think of how many players at the position you could name that are better than they are.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

Oh, I can't name them.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

So you have to so you have to you know bid how many things would be there. So for instance, I'll throw out um so let's say I threw out like someone ridiculous, just as an example.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Okay, we're going moderate, like current players?

SPEAKER_04 39:59

It it it could it's any player that played in the NFL, right? So if I go, let's say just an example, this is a horrible example, and I threw out Randy Moss. How many wide receivers in NFL history could you safely say are better than Randy Moss?

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Oh gosh. Um three, maybe four that I can think of?

SPEAKER_03 40:23

Better than Randy Moss?

SPEAKER_02 40:24

Could you name three or four wide receivers better just wide receivers? I'm probably like it's we're getting we're getting you know really about the same, I think, by the end couple. Could you name three or four better wide receivers than Randy Moss?

SPEAKER_04 40:39

One or two, one or two total, right? Yeah, so you can't beat three or four that Ryan said. No. I can't either. Ryan, name your three or four. I don't know if I can actually name me three or four, and then we're gonna say what's buy that. No, I buy that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

Um Jerry Rice was the first one I thought of. I can buy that. I'm on board with that. I think Calvin Johnson. No. I mean we're not quite close. We're close. We're close. Close.

SPEAKER_04 41:09

No.

SPEAKER_02 41:09

Um mentioned him. Larry Moss is better. Larry Fitzgerald was another one I was thinking of, who's probably not actually as good. It's close again.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

I have one player that I could perhaps maybe hear an argument on.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

Um gosh, who was the fourth guy I was thinking of? Oh, who's that wide receiver that uh um played for a long time with um with uh the Colts with Peyton Manning?

SPEAKER_04 41:36

Marvin Harrison? Yeah. No.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

Yeah, no. Those those were like the four I was kind of mulling over.

SPEAKER_04 41:42

I would like to get pretty close on those last couple. I could take TO.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

TO TO Or if you wanted to go um Don Hudson.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

If you wanted to stretch it, you gotta respect eras, so I get that.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

It's a totally different era. But if you if you wanted to try to make an argument for that, I could I could understand trying to make the argument. Trying to make the argument. I don't I don't know if I agree, but I can understand the argument.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

Yeah, yeah. I forgot about TO.

SPEAKER_04 42:08

That would have been a good one. TO would have been a good one. I could go maybe that's why I was like one's more touchdowns than Randy, but I was like one or two. I'm sure Randy is singing all the time. He's got three more. I was like 156, 150.

SPEAKER_03 42:19

I was like one or two. For sure, Jerry Rice. I could for sure by and then I could go TO or Don Hudson, maybe if you wanted to throw them in there as uh you know, era era defective.

SPEAKER_04 42:31

So that's that's an example of how this game works. Okay. So I'm gonna name uh a player, and you guys tell me how many you think you could name more. And by the way, I could jump in too. Yeah, you know, going around it. So I'll throw out um Ben Rothlessberger. That's gotta be a lot. It's gotta be a lot. Is it though? I mean, is it really as many as you think?

SPEAKER_03 42:57

I can name six, at least.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

I was thinking maybe like five.

SPEAKER_04 43:01

I can name I can name more than six. I can name more. I could I I'll I'll go eight. I can name eight quarterbacks better than Ronster.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

Nine. I don't know if I want to do ten. I can name nine. I think I think I don't think I'm out. I think I'm out. I think I maybe could have went eight or nine. I don't know if I can go ten.

SPEAKER_04 43:19

I'll go ten.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

Oh, can you do eleven, Justin? You're googling it right now. No, I'm just looking at names. I can go ten.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Um let's uh let's do the eleven.

SPEAKER_04 43:38

Alright, Tom Brady. Yep, sure. That was a gimme. Yep. Alright, Joe Montana. Okay, I'll give you Joe. Yep. Uh Peyton Manning. Yeah, I can go with that.

SPEAKER_03 43:51

Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees. Dan Marino. Yep, I can give you that. John Land. Rafar. Troy Aikman. Steve Young.

SPEAKER_04 44:17

I can get on board with Steve Young. Troy Aikman. I can give you Steve.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Fine. You know what? Give me Troy. Uh let's see here. One second.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

You're at nine currently.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Better quarterback, man. Fine, Jim Kelly.

SPEAKER_04 44:35

I'll give you Jim. I'll give you Jim. I'll give you Jim. We're at 10. At 10 degrees.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

Kurt Warner.

SPEAKER_04 44:44

That's 11. That's tough. That's tough. Man, that's tough.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

That might be the toughest comparable.

SPEAKER_04 44:52

If you had to ask me out there, he's Ben good. Kurt Warner or Ben Roman. He took two different teams to the Super Bowl. I know he did. He took the Cardinals. Who have never been there. Never been there. That took them all the way there. He then obviously was the greatest show on turf with the Rams St. Louis there and brought a Super Bowl to St. Louis. Man, that's tough. Oh I'm gonna say no on it. Okay. And the rationale behind it, which is probably not great. Kurt Warner, obviously exceptionally talented. I think he thrived under offensive-minded coaches. Like I'm just thinking of like what who is their head coach or their um Mike Mars.

SPEAKER_01 45:39

Sure.

SPEAKER_04 45:40

You know, in St. Louis, that helped him tremendously. Whereas I think Ben Rathlisberger winning with, you know, defensive-minded head coaches in Pittsburgh. Sure.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

So then I'm gonna then I'm gonna go Terry Bradshaw.

unknown 45:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

He's got the four Super Bowls, same situation. And I and I would probably give you that. Or Ben Rathlessberg at the point. Same situation.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

You didn't even bother with Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

I said Drew Brees. Oh, did you say Drew Brees? I did not I did not go Patrick. It's hard, it's hard for the comparison for because he hasn't played it. Like Ben Rothesburg has almost 20 years of play time, so it's really hard to compare eight versus.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

I probably would have even given you Tarkington. If he won Fran. I mean at least 11. Yeah. He went to three Super Bowls and he you know had the record for 20 plus years for most touchdown passes thrown in a career. I probably would have given you Tarkington.

SPEAKER_03 46:31

Anyone else want to pick a player and try this again? Alright, I got a f I got a fun one for you guys. Okay. Okay. Okay. I want you guys to tell me who was the consensus 101 for fantasy football for the last 10 years.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

Oh man. For the all this same player?

SPEAKER_03 46:48

No. Who who each year, each season, who was the consensus like this guy should be taking 101?

SPEAKER_02 46:53

Oh, okay. Like the first overall pick.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

First overall pick. I thought it was a good one. It should have been the first overall pick.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Under one pick in the draft in the draft.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

We'll go backwards because it'll be easier to process if you're going backwards, right? Sure. So, 2025, more recent memory, it'll be easier to remember. Who was the consensus 101 last year?

SPEAKER_02 47:13

Um the Atlanta running back, right? Right? Bijan? Yeah, Bijan. I think it's Bijan.

SPEAKER_03 47:21

You think it's Bijan? I think it's Bijan. Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna let Bobby throw his opinion in here though, too. It is Jamar Chase. Oh, running backs were pushed back last year. Um they were not at the top of the draft. Bajan is the one is the consensus 101 this year, I believe. Um so he is a consensus 101 this year. Sure. So um 2024. Who was the consensus 101? I think Justin Jefferson. 2024? Mm-hmm. Well, by the way, Jamar Chase turned out, you know, he had a he had a pretty good year last year, by the way. It was pretty good. It was not as good as his year before, but it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_04 48:03

I want to say 2024 was Justin Jefferson.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

It was not. Oh, Jonathan Taylor? It was not.

SPEAKER_02 48:11

Was it Jamar Chase again?

SPEAKER_03 48:13

It was not.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

It was a running back. Three consecutive. Sick one. Come on. Who's been the best running back? Derrick Henry. No, Derek Henry's never been McCaffrey's. Unlike Christian McCaffrey. Oh, it was Christian McCaffrey. Christian McCaffrey. Which did not go well. He played only four games. Yep. One of the beggar bosses. The year before that was uh. 2023 was Justin Jefferson, yes. And he got limited by hamstring injuries. Yes, he did. He did. All right, year before Jefferson, 2022. This is where it's gonna get harder to remember.

SPEAKER_04 48:44

Okay, 2022. Is that Jonathan Taylor?

SPEAKER_03 48:48

That is Jonathan Taylor, yes. Oh, I was like, I guess him. He missed significant time. Prior to it, yes. But he missed significant time in 2022 to injury. Okay. 2021.

SPEAKER_04 49:01

Okay, now we're going back to 2021.

SPEAKER_02 49:03

Just before Jonathan Taylor.

SPEAKER_04 49:05

Um man, this is getting tough now when we're getting out here. Yeah, you're yeah. We're getting out here quite a ways.

SPEAKER_03 49:11

Um is it Derrick Henry now? Derrick Henry is has never been the 101. Oh. I'm gonna go back. Is it Chris McCaffrey again? Right? Is it McCaffrey again? It is McCaffrey, yes. Again, injuries ruined that season. So maybe the 101's cursed so far. So that's that there is a there is a theme out. There's a consensus. 2020. Who is the consensus number one?

SPEAKER_04 49:34

Todd Gurley?

SPEAKER_03 49:35

No.

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Uh 2020. That was a bad guess. Uh I'm gonna say it's a wide receiver.

SPEAKER_03 49:46

You have a who. It is not. It is a running back. Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_04 49:52

Um Calvin Camaro, maybe?

SPEAKER_03 49:53

No. You got you gotta remember the year. What was the year before? Like, you know, remember because it's gonna play into it's gonna play into who's gonna be the big leader.

SPEAKER_04 50:01

Saquon?

SPEAKER_03 50:02

Is it Saquon now? It is not Saquon. That is a good guess, though. But it is not.

SPEAKER_04 50:07

Derek Henry had to get 19 too. But he was not it, obviously.

SPEAKER_03 50:11

No.

SPEAKER_04 50:12

Um, it could have been Christian McCaffrey again. It was Christian McAffrey again back years. I was like, he had a monster 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 50:18

But he only played three games in 2020.

SPEAKER_04 50:20

Gosh, he was hurt every single time he was the consensus.

SPEAKER_03 50:23

Yeah, it's do he's number 101. You do not want him. It has not gone well ever. Um 2019. You were close earlier, Bobby. The Saquon now? It is Saquon Barkley.

SPEAKER_04 50:36

Okay, he had a good rookie year, which is 18.

SPEAKER_03 50:39

Which is 18, and he had a good season in 2010, but it was not like league-winning value. It was not 101 worthy. Um 2018. Travis Kelsey. No, no, so this is this is the one that's gonna like this one's ruined people in fantasy.

SPEAKER_04 50:55

Okay, ruined people. 17 was Mahomes' rookie year, but he didn't play at all except for the last game of the year, so it's not him. Um 17. Man, this is brutal. It wasn't AP, was it?

SPEAKER_03 51:11

It was not AP.

SPEAKER_04 51:13

Um, because Yeah, he was done after 17 anyway. He was garbage. 16 was the last good year he had.

SPEAKER_03 51:20

Most people most most places had this consensus 101.

SPEAKER_04 51:24

It's not Tom Brady, is it?

SPEAKER_03 51:25

No, that was that was a long time ago. That was 2007. And then he broke his leg. Ryan drafted him 101 that year. Give me a year. Give me his ex possession or position. Running back. When is Ryan?

SPEAKER_02 51:38

Yeah, when Justin said, like, oh, this ruined people, that was my first thought was Tom Brady.

SPEAKER_04 51:42

Ruined.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

Ryan's first year playing fantasy football. Drafted Tom Brady at the 101 after his 50 touchdown season. Torn 18.

SPEAKER_04 51:50

Oh, that castle. Did you pick him up and roll with the old castle?

SPEAKER_03 51:53

I don't remember. I had Randy Moss, though, and it still turned out okay.

SPEAKER_04 51:57

My favorite trivia question is how many wins did the Patriots have that year? 11. And did they make the playoffs?

SPEAKER_03 52:02

They did. No, they did not. They did not. They missed it with 11 wins.

SPEAKER_04 52:07

Which is one of and that was a 16-game regular season back then. 11 wins. 11 and 5 and did not make the playoffs. Yeah. Love that. That's brutal, though.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

But um not as brutal as this pick was.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

Oh, geez, man. All right. Uh you said 18. 18.

SPEAKER_03 52:22

2018.

SPEAKER_04 52:22

Camaro was a rookie in 17.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

He was a rookie in 17, correct?

SPEAKER_04 52:26

Ah, but I don't think he was the one-on-one.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Kamara's never been the one-on-one.

SPEAKER_04 52:30

Yeah. He's just never, I've never been that one.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

Well, he was splitting with Mark Ingram.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

It wasn't like Peyton Hillis or anything like that.

SPEAKER_03 52:37

It was not Peyton Hillis, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 52:38

Um I got no idea.

SPEAKER_04 52:45

I'm trying to think. I'm not I'm not giving up.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

Is this one Todd Gurley? No, it is not Todd Gurley. It's a good guess, though. Todd Gurley was like right there, right there. I'm saying, like, is this what well off? He would have been the 102 consensus. No, he he had a good 2018. Was it Peterson? It was not Peterson, no. This is 20. This is past Peterson's prime. Yeah, sorry. He was not even close to the 101.

SPEAKER_04 53:06

No, no, he's not.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Um he's probably like sixth or seventh round.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

I'm thinking Matt. No, I don't know that too.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Um went to Michigan State.

SPEAKER_04 53:16

Le'Veon Bell.

SPEAKER_03 53:17

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 53:18

That was a dead giveaway. I know it right away now.

SPEAKER_03 53:21

Le'Veon Bell. He had held out the entire season.

SPEAKER_04 53:24

Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_03 53:25

Yes, he did. Did not even sign his franchise day with Pittsburgh.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

He held out and then he played for the Jets. Wow, that makes sense though.

SPEAKER_03 53:34

That's why I was like, it's brutal. It ruined the world. It was brutal. 101. Yeah, my guy never played. Not once. That is so brutal. All right. And the year before. 17 now. 17. It was very close between Le'Veon Bell and this player for the 101. 16 less. Because people tried to make the decision. So this this 2017 was the first year Jocelyn played fantasy football with me. Yep. And I in our work league, she had the 101 and I had the 102. Is it Antonio Brown? It is not Antonio Brown. And I will tell you it was also a brutal year for that person to have draft this player. And you would have been much better taking Levant Ballet. Tag Gurley, then? No. No? No. He wasn't going that early. He had a bad uh 2016. He had a bad 20 or a down 2016, so he did not go as early. He went second round-ish that year. Oh man. I know that year so well. That is my most dominant year I've ever had in one fantasy.

SPEAKER_04 54:29

I got to imagine it's a wide receiver, then we're looking at Julio Jones. It was a running back.

SPEAKER_03 54:33

Was this an early Christian McCaffrey?

unknown 54:35

No.

SPEAKER_04 54:36

Christian McCaffrey was a 2017 draft pick.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

Oh. Yeah. He'd have been a rookie. He was good that year, but uh no.

SPEAKER_04 54:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 54:47

Running back? You not even sure? No guesses?

SPEAKER_04 54:50

I will keep thinking here. Just a second.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

Come on.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

Like Garrett Blunt.

SPEAKER_03 54:54

Yeah, I don't think he was in the league back then. Maybe he was.

SPEAKER_04 54:58

He was drafted in 16.

SPEAKER_03 55:00

Okay. Played for the Cardinals.

SPEAKER_04 55:04

Oh, I I it's not.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Then went to the Texans. David Johnson? Yes, David Johnson.

SPEAKER_04 55:10

David Johnson.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

He uh had a wrist injury week one that ended his season.

SPEAKER_04 55:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

Yeah. Johnson was very mad at me that year.

SPEAKER_04 55:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:17

Because I took Le'Veon Bell with a second pick, and he had a he had a good year. Not an amazing year, but he had a very good year. Yeah. Alright, 2016, last one. Number one overall. The 101 consensus pick. Who was before David Johnson?

SPEAKER_04 55:32

I gotta go Todd Gurley here. Was this Todd Gurley or AP?

SPEAKER_03 55:34

No, not Todd Gurley or AP. It's a wide receiver.

SPEAKER_04 55:36

Julio Jones.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

No.

SPEAKER_04 55:38

Oh, wait, Julio.

unknown 55:39

No, it couldn't have been Julio.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

Um, I mean it could have been, but no. Larry? Was it Antonio Brown? That one. Antonio Brown. That makes it. Because in 2017, Antonio Brown was going third. Yeah. Overall.

SPEAKER_04 55:51

Yep. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

It was crazy because there were two Steelers going in the top three. Yep. So. So the Kensis would have to be Chris McCaffrey. McCaffrey was in there three times. Yeah. Never went well for the per people that drafted McCaffrey.

SPEAKER_04 56:06

He was the only player during that time period, though, that was picked more than once as the consensus 101.

SPEAKER_03 56:11

That is correct. Yes. Huh. Which is pretty crazy. I mean. But didn't Jamar Chase have two? No, just the first one. Boom. 2025. And then this year, I mean, you're looking at this year right now. I think it's Bajon. Bajan is the number one. I've seen a couple of people go, oh, I want Jameer Gibbs. Uh, but I think it's Bajon. I mean, I just do. Bajan and Jameer Gibbs are right there. They're one, two, their one two three is I've seen Jamar. I've seen Jamar Chase for the most part. Or Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, if you're gonna go running back, but uh most people flip to wide receiver at that point. Most people do. Once the first two running backs are gone. So all right, I thought it was fun to that is interesting. That is a very interesting.

SPEAKER_02 56:50

Especially how many of those how many of those did poorly that year?

SPEAKER_03 56:52

This the streak has let yeah, and it it in this thing it says the streak has led many fantasies managers to jokingly refer to the 101 curse curse.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

Yeah, it's it's it's like gotta be tied into the Madden curse, probably too.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

Oh the Madden curse did break, though.

SPEAKER_03 57:07

Sort of. I mean, it it it there's been a few people that have had decent years. Yep, but I don't know. I mean, Caleb already kind of cursed the city. They're moving from Chicago.

SPEAKER_04 57:18

Yeah, he put them in the background.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

Well, they're in the background on the cover. Chicago's getting cursed and gone.

SPEAKER_04 57:24

Yeah, I I can tell you that fromstanding him. I, you know, I know we've touched on this before. I know I've talked about this whole thing a little bit with the Bears. This is just sad.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

You missed out last week, Bobby. We talked about um there was Caleb Williams News last week.

SPEAKER_04 57:40

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

Yeah, his trademark for Iceman got denied.

SPEAKER_02 57:44

Oh, yeah. I was panicking. I was like, what are we talking about? What we talk about we talk about.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

I remember that. Like, I don't know. I laughed at him. It's amazing to me the amount of hype this guy's getting, and yet it's still not like he plays for a franchise that, including the two seasons he has played, is not thrown for 4,000 yards. Yeah, it's to me that's unreal.

SPEAKER_02 58:05

But no, and I I think I'm the highest among you guys on him, too. And I'm like I said, I I I chuckled when Justin said that he tried to trademark Ice.

SPEAKER_04 58:13

He has to be able to make the mundane look mundane, then I'll be more on board with him. He's very good at making the acrobatic throw and going 11 for 25. And they're like, oh my gosh, that was an unbelievable game-winning throw.

SPEAKER_03 58:24

He had some comments uh recently, this last week, actually, in an interview. They asked him, like, well, don't you feel like, you know, where do you feel like you need to improve? He goes, Well, if you hear everybody else, I gotta improve my completion percentage. Well, and there's some truth to that. And it's like, and then there, you know, there's the argument, well, well, you know, six he's at 60% for his career. This last year was actually worse than your his rookie season, completion percentage-wise. He was at 58% this last year. Uh he's at 62 and a half.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

All I know is that if I have a if I have a quarterback and it's third and five, and you're throwing the football, I want a 65%, 70%.

SPEAKER_03 59:00

He claims that it's because he's got a he's got a coach now that he knows he's gonna go for on fourth down, so he's willing to throw it in the dirt and not you know make a bad play on third down. Oh my gosh. You gotta be kidding. That was his quote.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

I mean, I I do admire that somebody somebody who's willing who's willing to like throw it away. Like I was frustrating with like Rogers. He was not willing to throw it away. He was capable of throw away.

SPEAKER_04 59:24

He took it at that point, he took the sack, and then you're like, okay, not good enough, and we're gonna strive to do better next year, and I'm gonna do better next year. I'm not gonna come up with something silly, like I've got an offensive-minded head coach that is aggressive, and so I'm okay grounding it on third down. So you look ridiculous saying crap like that. Just say I'm striving every day to get better, and I look forward to bringing a better performance and play.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Again, another epitome of where hit I I just I struggle to see how the Bears are gonna translate into wins on a tougher schedule and in consistency. So before the podcast started, Bobby, we were talking a little bit about Roger's comeback, fourth quarter comebacks and stuff, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:01

You know, and it was like, well, how many how many fourth quarter comebacks do you think he had last year, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

It was like he had two, I think. Yep. And they were in close games all the time. I mean, you know, probably you know, could have been put in the position to have a lot. Yeah. And he had three game-winning drives. How many fourth quarter comebacks and game winning drives do you think Caleb Williams had last year?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:20

I think he had a bunch. He had to.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:22

It was like five or something, wasn't it? It was a lot of them. What do you think? I I would say four. Six. Oh my gosh. I'll I'm gonna tell you right now, those fourth quarters don't always go your way. No, you don't always end up with me.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:36

I'm I'm a fan of the 2022 Minnesota Vikings. Oh, yeah, yeah. Talk about those odds, they even out at some point. Oh, it's just those one exactly regressed. Um the Vikings had a negative point differential. The Bears were right there. Yeah, I don't know what their point differential was last year. Um, from having a negative point differential. I I honestly think that the Bears are are gonna finish fourth in the division this year. No, they'll finish fourth. Um I do. I really do. I don't think they got dramatically better. Um I think they're playing a first.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:09

Plus 26 last year. I mean, and they averaged 25.9 points per game.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:15

Yeah, and they also so they were right there and leading in takeaways from a plus-minus standpoint. They had a lot of things go their way. They reminded me a lot of the 2022 Minnesota Vikings.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:26

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:26

Yeah, I think. Winning a lot of games where it was like, where's this coming from?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

Yeah, I I don't disagree with you there. Yeah, it's kind of like okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:33

I just think with them having a tougher schedule too, they're gonna regress. They're gonna regress. They're not gonna win. What'd they win last year? 12 games? 11. 11. Yeah, I think they win eight this year.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

I think that's brings him to fourth.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:48

I think it does eight brings you to fourth. That's what it did last year. Eight brought you to fourth last year.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:53

This is true, it did. Uh the Lions finished uh fourth. So uh hold on. I was look I was gonna look up where the rest of the league finished up. Because 20 26, obviously, you want a comparison, right? For differential? Yeah, so for our division, the Packers finished at plus 31. Yep, the Vikings were at plus 11, and the Lions were at plus 68. Yeah. Now they blew out they blew out a couple of people big time and scracked up that point. Um, for other frame of reference, so let's go look at the NFC West, right? They had three good teams that dominated people. Seattle plus 191, Rams plus 172, San Francisco plus 66. Yeah. Um, the NFC South had minus across the board, but we were we were plus across the board. Yeah, we were plus across the board. Uh uh NFC East, only the Eagles were positive at plus 54. Uh if you go look at the AFC, the Patriots are plus 170. They had a very easy schedule, though. The Buffalo Bills were plus 116. The AFC North was very close. Steelers were plus 10. Uh the Ravens were plus 26. Uh Jacksonville was plus 138. Wow, I did not have guessed it. We'll see. They lost a lot of defenders. They did lose a lot of DP. I'm a little nervous about that, but uh Houston was plus 109. And the best defense should have been much better. That was their defense. It should have been a lot higher. Colts were plus 54.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:21

Yeah, they started off.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

Broncos were plus 90, Chargers plus 28, Chiefs plus 34. That was all the positive teams. Points differential in the NFL. So, I mean, just for reference, you know, for comparing what 26 puts the Bears. How many teams were actually negative? There were one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

More than it's more than it's on the league.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

When you were less than a bop, and I was like, dang, this feels like most of the league. The reason that is is because the Jets were negative 203, the Titans were negative 194, and the Raiders were minus 191. Yeah. Yeah. And the Cardinals were minus 133. But like, so there was a few teams with a lot of points got stacked up on the game.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:07

Yeah, they were very, very opposite to the top teams. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

And oh, the Browns were minus 100. Which compared to the improvement. They had a good defense. They they played close games. That they yeah, Miles Garrett put the team on his back. They won five games, and every one of those was a one-score game.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:22

They did, as the Packers. Yeah, they did the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

Well, they did it to the Packers. I mean, the Packers missed a field goal.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:28

And they won 13-10.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:30

Yeah, yeah. It was close. It was super close. Yeah. So yeah. Alright. Anything else you guys want to go through today? No, I'm all right.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:40

I'm in good shape. I mean, like I said, this is the time of year. Very. Yeah. No news is good news. For your team. You don't want to hear about you don't want Brandon Ayuk. You don't. No. No, you don't. I don't know. I don't think he plays for anyone this year. I don't think he does either.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:55

I I don't know what team what team is going to want to take that on.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:57

Somebody who gets an injury. I'm thinking there's only one team that I could see take him on, and that would be the Dolphins, just out of absolute lack of any. But they're not going to trade in assets for him right now. That's the thing. That would have to be if the if he shows up to training camp and the Niners go, now we're forced to be. Now we could cut him. Fine. Now we're going to cut him. Washington's going to sign him. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:22

Maybe maybe the Chiefs would trade for him if Rashi Rice got suspended again or something. You know, like he's got more legal trouble.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

Maybe that's what my thinking is. Like if it's if there's a team that like they are they're think they're a contender and they lose their top quarterback for some reason.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:39

Well that's the yeah, that's the problem.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

No one will trade for him uh at all. Unless the unless the Niners agree to take on so much of the contract.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:49

Well they may have to. Well they may have to just to get him off the books.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:51

If he shows up, I suppose if if he does start showing up and they do have to actually pay him.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:56

Then they're just gonna release him.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:58

Yeah, probably. Yeah. Probably.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

I really don't. I think his market is absolutely killed right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:10

All right. Anything else, boys?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Nope. That's all I got. Yeah. Thanks for listening, everybody. We will talk to you next week. Alrighty.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:16

Take care, everyone. All right.