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The Dating Scene Dilemma

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Friendship dynamics, relationship struggles, and the path to independence take center stage in this candid episode of the Prime Example Podcast. Leslie, Abril, and guest Poppy Kapon pull back the curtain on their interconnected histories and the moments that forged their friendship.

The conversation quickly shifts to modern dating's most contentious territory—the notorious "talking stage." When does exclusivity begin? Should it be explicitly stated or naturally assumed? Abril candidly shares her experience with a partner who maintained a hidden friendship with someone from his past, sparking a heated debate about transparency in relationships. "All I want is just let it be known," she asserts, while Poppy contends that communication goes both ways. Their raw exchange reveals the universal challenge of navigating unspoken expectations in today's dating landscape.

Particularly compelling is their discussion about parental relationships during the transition to adulthood. At 21, Abril struggles with her mother's opposition to her traveling independently, while Leslie wishes for more parental concern in her life. Their contrasting experiences highlight the delicate balance between establishing independence and maintaining family connections. "I don't be telling my mom about shit," Poppy admits, adding another perspective to this universal struggle.

The conversation takes unexpected turns through beauty standards influenced by social media, the difference between wanting advice versus simply needing someone to listen, and surprisingly vulnerable revelations about disappointing therapy experiences. Through laughter, occasional profanity, and unfiltered honesty, the trio creates a space that feels like eavesdropping on a deeply authentic conversation among friends.

Ready for unfiltered perspectives on relationships, growing pains, and the messy journey to adulthood? Subscribe to Prime Example Podcast on Spotify and YouTube, and follow guest Poppy Kapow across social media for more unfiltered takes on life's complicated moments.

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Meeting The Group

Speaker 1

And they last long . Anyway , this is Prime Example Podcast and I'm your host . Leslie Avery will be my future co-host and our guest , of course , kapow .

Speaker 2

Poppy Kapow Kapow . Add me on TikTok , he's going to be a TikTok star , tiktok famous .

Speaker 1

Obviously he's upcoming on the . You feel me , you didn't know , you didn't know . Well , I mean , since you are a guest , tell us about yourself , tell us about myself .

Speaker 2

Well , one thing about me is , you know , kind of the main character . If I come into your life , you're just a side quest .

Speaker 1

What . You know , that's just how it goes , okay , okay . So how did we go about all of us starting to meet each other like ?

Speaker 2

how did we all ?

Speaker 1

became a group , a friend group , I think it started off with me and will it definitely did freshman year in high school we met first day the first day of school we met each other . Yeah , wait , so did you go to live rat ? When I went , I don't think you remember me , but because I was friends with kayla , but kayla , supposedly I'm not her friend supposedly , supposedly I'm weak and I don't remember you at the red , but I remember leslie at spring I don't remember too many people from me , area , me and Leslie , we were meant to be best friends for a long time .

Speaker 1

We've seen each other here and there , but we just never spoke to each other At all . And I was friends with her cousins first , before her . I knew of her , though my mom had said that I wasn't allowed to go outside because I was too ratchet . They had knocked on my door one time and they were like , oh , can Leslie come out ?

Speaker 2

And my mom was like no , it's enough .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I remember because I was like yeah , that's the , yeah , this is my true cousin .

Speaker 2

We did go up there and she said like yeah , I remember I was not having it I was really never allowed to go outside for real because I was on punishment , but I would always sneak out because , like , who are you to tell me I can't go outside ?

Speaker 1

so was you rebellious ? I wouldn't say I was right abril was the rebellious .

Speaker 2

I wouldn't say I was rebellious . April was the rebellious one .

Speaker 1

I don't think I think I was brought into being rebellious for other people's like action . Yeah , like I was . I got in trouble because my cousin wanted to go out in the middle of the night . I was like I didn't want to go . She dragged my ass out there the same reason that everybody else would bring me outside . I'm like .

Speaker 2

I want to be outside .

Speaker 1

Everybody else would bring me outside . I'm like I want to be outside . It's not for me . I feel like I got to burp . That's why I don't drink fizzy drinks .

Speaker 2

It's actually not fizzy , though it is .

Speaker 1

It is .

Speaker 2

A little bit .

Speaker 1

I don't know . It reminds me of , like you know stuff , guys , guys , guys . So the topic ,

Kansas Trip Adventures

Speaker 1

so I don't know this was kind of random . We wanted to just get together , just have just regularized conversations , but when we had went to the airport , mind you , I was up for 24 hours because Abram wanted to wake me up at one o'clock or two o'clock and then I had to take her to the airport to be prepared and she missed her flight .

Speaker 1

But what I want to know is how was Kansas ? Because I didn't even get to that , yeah , how ? Was that Kansas was fun . I liked it lucky , I'm not lying . If we was to go somewhere like the trip , I will take y'all down there so y'all can see how it feels because , it's to me . It seemed like you didn't have that much fun I didn't see anything because I was in the house laying down in bed . But what it's like . Why are you relaxing in bed out ?

Speaker 2

and then on top of that it's like what is , what is Kansas Like ? It's like there's nothing out there . It was okay , it's not a yellow brick road .

Speaker 1

Now it was okay chilling at the house with my mans , like you know . So he's your mans Like quiet Whoa .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I don't know about like just taking a trip out to Kansas for no reason , like you know .

Speaker 1

No , yeah , I feel like if I had more days to be there , we would have done more stuff .

Speaker 2

I just feel like that's some place that you go whenever you know somebody there and that's family .

Speaker 1

I mean , yeah , I knew somebody there and I went and then we did stuff , we had fun , even though I was chilling . Just chilling even though I was chilling , just chilling , big chill just doing the shit that you do here , yeah so , no so on the way back from the airport , me and Will was discussing a conversation that I wanted to bring out to the like viewers and have the at least a good conversation about it .

Speaker 2

So everyone

Dating Scene Discussion

Speaker 2

can have a point of view . All you niggas out there is gonna feel me okay , well , okay , so it was the conversation about ?

Speaker 1

okay , so on the way back . Yeah , wait , what dating scene the dating scene like so like yeah , dating in this generation sucks it's not . It's not it . I agree it's not , but she okay , but I think it's like one in the middle . Like you know , there's always that one person that you're going to want to be loyal to , obviously , but he was saying that in the talking stage , which I do agree , but I feel like it has to be conversating that you're officially talking to someone , for you not to talk to other people .

Speaker 2

But is it not already official if y'all already been talking for months ? No , I feel like it has to be discussed . I feel like , okay , okay .

Speaker 1

Because communication , communication , because that's coming , it's communication , communication because that's what it's all about like what if I don't know how , I don't even um like me and we're like cut that out , cut the name out , cut the name out like we've been talking , but like it's not known if he's talking to other people or if I'm talking to other people .

Speaker 2

So why are you calling him your man ?

Speaker 1

So you guys haven't officially said you guys weren't talking to other people , but you guys are talking to each other .

Speaker 2

Well , he's not , or is he just one of the ones on the roster ?

Speaker 1

No , he did say he wasn't talking to other people , but it's like . Do I believe that that's like ? But it's like . Do I believe that that's ? That's like a different ?

Speaker 2

that's another thing like that's just your opinion , though , and when he , when he said that he wasn't talking to other people , what did ? What was your response ? Oh , I'm not talking to anyone else either , right ?

Speaker 1

no , I didn't respond to it . I didn't respond to it at all wait , so did he ask you no .

Speaker 1

I asked him so and then he just didn't ask you because no , um , it was uh , it was like I it was at night , and then I read the message and then I just like said good morning . And then we just carried on , wait . So he informed you that he wasn't talking to other people . I asked him , mm , and he just didn't ask you no , but I'm pretty sure he probably wanted me to like answer Like insert that for him .

Speaker 1

yeah , I feel like that nigga already know how that shit is and then the conversation we had when we were on the way to like remember that one time we were in the car and we were like so who you invited ? Because you invited somebody . And we're like why would you say that and you didn't meet the camera . Wait , wait , remember we're in the car and we were gonna go to that violet . And then you was like oh , um , I invited someone , so and me and will looked at each other like is it ?

Speaker 1

oh yeah and then you said it on the phone . I was like what the fuck ?

Speaker 2

come to find out .

Speaker 1

Ain't nobody show up ? Oh , hey , but hey , abril was pulling them though . Yeah , but I have short-term memory and I remember , but I don't know , the dating scene right now so cool that , in order to want to talk to somebody , communication is key period because y'all say that communication is key .

Speaker 2

But with my ex me and her Like mind you , alright , I was drinking every damn shit . You feel me On some shit like that ? So Fuck around , I had drunk , carded on some shit , don't remember that . But she said that that day I had said some shit that was out of pocket and like she was like oh , I don't know what kind of bitches you been fucking with , but I'm not one of those Like you're not gonna talk to me like that and I'm like what are you talking about ?

Speaker 2

She said if you want a healthy relationship , you can't be saying shit like that . And I'm asking her what did I say ? She's not telling me what I said . So she wasn't communicating it's like how do y'all expect communication to be key when y'all don't communicate ? It's not , y'all don't communicate .

Speaker 1

It's not y'all , it was just her . No , well , no , it is just her . But sometimes women do be like that , like they expect their man to read our minds . You know what I mean ? You drifting away from the mic , mom , I'm sorry You're like , hold on , Let me just say what I gotta say . No , yeah , because I was like that .

Speaker 1

Sometimes I can be like that sometimes I can be like that , but that's just because it's like the obvious with the littlest shit , and it's because when I ask you like okay , sometimes I feel like we do tell people directly what's wrong and they don't take it for what it is .

Speaker 2

Like they don't understand what we're . But still , even with the little shit , why not communicate about that ? Because it may be obvious to you , it might not .

Speaker 1

No , because when you do like , like , conversate about it and then it's just like it's not getting through your head the first time and the second time you actually sit down to talk about it and then they don't change . Then what ?

Speaker 2

it's because we procrastinate a lot , we think so , we overthink and think too much about no , but I'm saying if it was in the men , like I'm the type of person to conversate something about .

Speaker 1

So when I do conversate it or I do bring it up , like it's like , bro , you , when I had told you , initiated to initiate , initiate , initiate , initiate initially , when I tell you something in the beginning and then it's like being different about , like towards the future , like later on in the day , or like later on in the months or something , and it's not being changed or so it's stuff like keeps happening . It's like , bro , at what point do you understand I already had told you . Do you want to really just waste your breath and keep conversating about it or you just want you know it's cool , tally one , you got , you got . This is plugged in . Yes , oh wait , your mic is probably not up . Try now . Can you hear me ?

Speaker 1

hello no , that's mine , girl . You probably deaf , because that's at 10 , mine's at five . Yeah , I can hear shit . Yeah , you're deaf . Okay , that girl's deaf out there . I could hear us . Now , girl , you just want to be here , I don't know you should shit probably loud as shit .

Speaker 1

I bet if I put this shit loud , no , oh , it's probably just yours then because my shit , cool , I can hear that . I can hear now , like I can hear Okay , now , okay , yeah . So what was we talking about ? Girl , because you can be here to sidetrack , yeah Too sidetracked .

Speaker 1

Yeah , but that's

Communication Problems in Relationships

Speaker 1

originally what we were saying when we had conversations . Basically , when you're talking to someone I feel maybe this is just my opinion I can be able to talk to only one person . If we initially talk about like , okay , where is this going ? Because sometimes when you're talking to someone , they already don't want a relationship . But you're doing relationship type of stuff , right , that doesn't mean they're not talking to nobody , that just means they're doing shit . But they already had told me what if in the beginning , right , we're doing relationship type of stuff , but I already had initially said I don't want a relationship , but we're doing relationship types of shit , right ? And then they cut off people , but then they like oh well , I expected you to .

Speaker 2

Why did you expect that from me when I already had told you in the beginning I didn't want a relationship , but that's but , but that's you , though I'm saying that these out here you're talking to a that was with multiple , so it's like these that I was with was not saying that oh yeah I'm only talking to you . This and the third . I go go through that phone . I'm seeing different .

Speaker 1

You're going through phones who ain't , who ain't , you're right .

Speaker 2

You're right , I thought you . I thought you You're going through mine when I'm asleep . I know for a fact , I cleared out my shit . I clear out every single app whenever I go out . I clear out , go to sleep and now I got messages fucking instagram , snapchat . I got all that open . You went through my shit . You're not slick , I'm on you .

Speaker 1

So now I'm going through your . I'm on you .

Speaker 2

Let me see that phone no , but but it's on some shit like you can't . You can't just be on some shit like like the shit that you're doing it's not player .

Speaker 1

It's not player if you tell me how it is whenever so would you mess with a girl if she's like oh yeah , I'm talking to other people , but I still want to see where this goes . Are you cool with that and , like you , still fuck with her ?

Speaker 2

yeah , okay , because you let me know what it is .

Speaker 1

I know what role I'm playing and that's called communication , that's called letting somebody know . But if you just want some shit like oh yeah , no , I'm not talking to anybody else , I'm just you feel me , you don't person that I'm talking to .

Speaker 2

I'm just going with the flow , this and the third .

Speaker 1

That's how I'm taking it , like you , can't you can't , you can't just tell me that and expect me to know that you're doing this exactly so in order for that that you're doing this , because you feel me , I it's called being able to talk to somebody about what you want to do and how you're feeling .

Speaker 2

But that's the thing . Bitches don't communicate .

Speaker 1

No , what's up with this profanity ? I'm sorry , you know , that's just how I talk . People do communicate . No , they don't . Like I said , people procrastinate on how they feel a lot , so sometimes they're scared to tell how they feel a lot , so sometimes they're scared to tell how they feel because they might hurt the other person's feelings . But that's the thing . But if you are , I feel like if you're too worried about the other person's feelings and you're being selfish because you're not making it aware you're gonna hurt their feelings either way , yeah so that's why , yeah , make the right choice , do the right decision okay , so in my , in my past experience , I have went through certain uh stuff where it's like dang certain stuff , okay .

Speaker 1

So do you think certain stuff should should always be said , or certain things should maybe be said , depending what it is ? I feel like everything should be said I think , depending what it is , because , because , like what are we in middle school ? This shit don't matter .

Speaker 2

I'm not scared of you .

Speaker 1

You know what they say . Don't say nothing . Nice , if you don't have nothing to say , like you know what I mean but why is that a , why is that a fucking phrase whenever ? And also in the bible .

Speaker 2

It says that like yo , the tongue is the powerful , like you can kill somebody with the speak , like everything you speak is like yeah , like it has the strongest . But that's the thing . Why would I sugarcoat this when I can just tell you how it is , tell you how I feel ? If that hurts your feelings , that's your feelings . No , but that's fine .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and that's fine about like in a relationship type of way , obviously , but not yeah , yeah , be honest , yeah so would you want to know , like , if you , if you was just like , okay , so save this guy .

Speaker 1

He was messaging a female but it was his so-called friend , but they had past experience together and he brought you around her , would you be mad if he brought you around and didn't tell you that they fucked around before ? Now you know , now you know , now you know , now you know . Okay , I'm just saying because it was , it was a experience I experienced . That's why I said it . But I'm saying , like , okay for you if that happened to you , if a girl was like talking to a guy , not even talking to him , like they messed around or whatever , but they weren't together , you know , and then she brought you around him and introduced that her to you or whatever , like introduced him as a friend to her , to you , and brought you around him , would you or would you not want to know if they messed around ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , I'm going to be .

Speaker 1

I'm going to be thinking don't tell me . So with me ? I don't see . But like then , at that point , don't tell you .

Speaker 2

Yeah , at that point it's don't tell me , because it's going to be , I'm going , I'm , I'm definitely going to drag this on , bro , and then at that point it's just gonna be on some like I don't want to be with you , no more , because why did you bring me around one of the that you was with ?

Speaker 1

so with me is tell me my thing is , I don't give a what it is , how little it is , tell me it could have been a nothing or something . Uh , the fling a wing , a chicken wing , literally like anything like everything , like I , literally , all I asked is for you to just let me know , like , let me know , let me know , let me know . Like I can't even be mad , it already happened . All I want is just let it be known .

Speaker 2

You say , let me know now , and you can't even be mad now I'm going to be mad and once that shit happens , you're going to be in your .

Speaker 1

I was mad as be fucked and I wasn't even letting if it was if it was to happen like when I was , like when I'm with that person , then and there , then it's a different thing . But if it was like their past and they're letting me know , like they was messing with them , that's a whole different situation . But , yeah , like if he was lying to me , if he was lying to me , if he was lying to me about that situation and like , yeah , like it was over with . It was over with Because why I told you the first , I told you not to lie to me and for you to say it was your ex-best friend or your ex-this or ex-that and it was your sister house that we was pulling up to . And that's crazy .

Speaker 1

Let's , let's wait , let's bring this story time to life . Story time , story time . Story time . Anyway , I'm loving these buttons . Okay , so story time . Last year , like in around august , I started talking to this dude . It was yes , because it was on halloween , right , yeah , yeah , and because I remember when I had my hair he died , he started talking to me or whatever he died .

Speaker 2

No , her hair like my .

Speaker 1

I had a wig I had a wig , but anyway . So I started talking to this dude and I mean , I guess I mean from august to like november , december , like them , months , like you know , free trial literally I mean , I thought he was only talking to me . I wasn't talking , like you know . I thought he was only talking to me . No , but was it ? Was it like talked about that you guys were only talking to each other ? No , like it wasn't . No , he will see him it wasn't aware yeah , it wasn't known who's farted that ?

Speaker 2

I was clearly .

Speaker 1

I was clearly cause we didn't communicate about it and also like , also like with the best friend shit , that's the . That's the only thing that we did talk about , like you guys didn't like the best friend stuff , not that , but he was yeah , I don't like that shit . I'm like no , I don't like that shit . So do you what ? I don't ?

Speaker 2

like that shit , I'm like no , I don't like that shit .

Speaker 1

So do you what ? Because you guys are , like technically , like kind of like best friends for real . Yeah , if y'all hang out day to day and stuff , that's what you call , like you know , bestie wussies .

Speaker 2

So like what she saying it's like so say like if a girl comes around and you're like she's gone goners , I'm bro , because it's like , bro , she's been here and it's nothing there . No , I would understand if it was something there and it was like obvious that it was something there , but it's not .

Speaker 1

I feel like it'd have been different if , like me and him , had did something and then like , yeah , but like I see why she would feel some type of way , but it's like .

Speaker 2

But okay , so would you be mad Me ? Well , don't understand .

Speaker 1

Okay . So would you be mad if the friendship y'all have , if your dude had that with another girl ?

Speaker 2

Low-key , yeah , I would low-key , be mad , because why is ?

Speaker 1

your girl . Why is your

Beauty Standards and Social Media

Speaker 1

girl best friend ? Pick you up every day , though .

Speaker 2

Wait , why are y mad ? She's been here . You just got here .

Speaker 1

No , for real , because a lot of times when I hang out like with people , they be like damn , you guys really hang out a lot like . I'm like y'all don't hang out with your friends this much and it's like crazy , because they're like , damn like your friends really pulling up on you on random and why do they just feel any day it's okay . I'm like they always do it all the time like they'll pull up right now , if I'm not answering my phone , they're gonna come right here right now I'm gonna take you guys home today . All right , don't do that . It's just funny .

Speaker 1

That is funny y'all now , y'all got me thinking about this , though , and how he played me in his best friend the fuck in his best friend . I don't do that best friendship just because of that reason but if you guys talked about it and he brought up , brought you around , the best friend too .

Speaker 1

So she knew of me , but I didn't know of her because she literally told me that day , at that party . She literally told me she was like um , she was like I don't know about you , or she was like um , you don't know about me , but I know like about you , because he was talking about you and this , this and that and I was just like . So I was like , yeah , I don't know about you . Like who are you ?

Speaker 1

but it's the fact that she knows more about you than you know about her exactly , and you're the person that you kind of want to have the communication with exactly so .

Speaker 1

I was just like . But at the end of the day he he even told me that day too , like I mean , that's when I look . He stopped talking to him . He told me he was like he will never stop caring for how she feel , so like her opinion . Yeah , like she won't . He will never . Yeah , he will always be there for her , even like but did they ?

Speaker 1

mess around . Yeah , like back , yeah , yeah . The other day and I , when I asked him like , did you guys that doing to do anything when we were talking , he said no , but I like , in the past they did , in the past they did . But when we was talking he said that still would have been trash for me .

Speaker 1

That would have been like after the word but yeah , I know , but you know what ? But he was lying to me . That was him . I was dropping him off at her house and he was like this is my sister house , I'm like the whole time , this is your best friend house . And he just like smiled and I , I would have been hurt . I was hurt . If I'm picking you up and dropping you off at your quote-unquote sister house . Yeah , I'm about to be breaking them doors through the roof .

Speaker 1

I should have broke them doors through the roof . They got kids . These bitches is 26 years old . 28 , bitch , you're 27 years old and you got beef with me . I'm only not even 22 , about to be 22 . It's like y'all all grown . What is y'all grown ? What is y'all doing this kisha for ? Like , what is the point of y'all lying ? Because people don't want to grow up , like , think about , in reality , people just want to stay stuck in the same place because they don't want to elevate it's because we are here back to that point .

Speaker 2

There's no fun here . It's only childish , corny-ass shit .

Speaker 1

What do you mean by fun Something ?

Speaker 2

new Fun , Just fun , Like something to look forward to , Like . Oh yeah , you are somebody that I could pursue and that I want to pursue .

Speaker 1

So do you think guys think like that , like , because I don't want to commit to you , I just want to have fun . So I'm going to be around childish-ass people until I want to like , because I don't want to commit to you , I just want to have fun , so I'm going to be around childish ass people until I want to like go forward .

Speaker 2

I don't want nothing childish , I want fun .

Speaker 1

No , because what comes with fun is ignorance . Well , some , most of the time , I should say , but what ?

Speaker 2

do you say ?

Speaker 1

What do you mean when you say fun , though ? Because when you say fun because you're saying you have it .

Speaker 2

Something to look forward to , like there's nothing to look forward to here . It's just the same shit every day , but with like , like , like , like , your situation going OT . That was something to look forward to .

Speaker 1

Right , was it not yeah ?

Speaker 2

So it's like you didn't have that kind of feeling with nobody here , and if you did , it was only for some temporary shit until you got there .

Speaker 1

Yeah , well , I mean , would you want to go back ? I feel like yeah . Yeah , she just said that she wanted to take all of us , okay , but without us , yeah , would you go back for like two days , probably longer .

Speaker 1

I would like to stay there for like a week for real , because you're too late back for you to be there for only two days and yeah , yeah , I would like to like want to be there . She slept a whole one day , literally , literally slept that whole day . When I got there , I slept the whole day , usually because that's like a jet lag , like when you're on a plane , you get so tired you just want to sleep all day when you land , like that's why I always be like when I go off somewhere , I'm staying there for like a week or more .

Speaker 2

I don't know Whenever I . Every time I got on the plane I was up .

Speaker 1

On the plane . I was slept On the plane and as soon as we landed I was up still , because everyone's indecisive for where they want to go . We're going to pa , we're going camping . We really doing hellish at this summer and y'all gonna be there with us on the vlog again camping la and vegas in the same week .

Speaker 2

I don't know about them , but me I'm more than likely going to texas .

Speaker 1

I don't know if I'm going to be at the second time , she's not going the second time .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I gotta make some money .

Speaker 1

I agreed with the first time .

Speaker 2

If it was the second time . It'd be nice , though , if I can move stuff around . Hopefully you're all there to see it .

Speaker 1

Definitely will be on gang , my crannies , my crannies . So right now For fun , what's fun for you in a girl ?

Speaker 2

Fun for me in a girl .

Speaker 1

So technically right now , you just don't want to commit right now .

Speaker 2

Commit no .

Speaker 1

But what if you find the one in PA ?

Speaker 2

I'm not . When I go to PA , I'm looking for a slut . I what if you find the one in pa ? I'm not , I'm fucking not . When I go to pa , I'm looking for a slut , I'm not looking for the one do you guys believe in ?

Speaker 1

like , like , where ? What is it called ?

Speaker 2

like the first , like your first , look like when you first yeah , yeah , there you go even that , yeah , no , I believe that lust at first sight , because as soon as I see you , I'm like fuck , hey , you ain't , you ain't .

Speaker 1

No , because that makes sense for a guy , because they . I remember my friend , other Will . He's been on the podcast . He would say majority of the time men won't go up to a female unless they're attractive or unless he feels like the need that he wants to talk to her , to be with her . Not even be with her Like you know an attractive way . Yeah , she has to be attractive for most men to come up to her , or the person . Yeah , yeah , is that true ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , definitely .

Speaker 1

And I also feel like you know what I'm not going to lie , talking about pretty , like being pretty or whatever . In the workplace I pretty , or whatever . In a workplace , I feel like if you not , if you don't look a certain type of way , they're not going to treat you . So do you think presence of how you present yourself in a workplace , you get , uh , more gratitude and more like , not even not even in , even in the workplace , even outside of work , if you're people do you better , treat you yes yes , and that's 100% true , because I'm like , if I was to be ugly , would you even Conversate with me ?

Speaker 1

Not even conversate , oh , why you spitting Ugh Not ?

Speaker 2

even conversate . I'm fucked Because I just thought about talking to somebody ugly and I just wouldn't do it . I wouldn't do it .

Speaker 1

It's not even conversate , like no , oh , my like I wish I had the boo rewind .

Speaker 2

I was thinking because I was at work and I'm like why did y'all treat this lady so like rude ?

Speaker 1

oh they're treating her like nasty . Yeah , and she's been there more than me , but I'm like y'all don't treat me this way is she ugly oh , oh , that's crazy . Hey , bro , I thought we were all beautiful . We are all beautiful . I didn't say nothing . What do you mean ?

Speaker 2

I didn't call her ugly I don't care about none of that , bro . That phrase need to go in the trash . Bro , everybody's spirit is beautiful , everybody's physical appearance not at all .

Speaker 1

No , so do you think ? Okay , but do you think social media played a part of people um identifying what beautiful , beautiful is ? Yes uh 100 .

Speaker 2

I do believe that 100 because people would always be like , oh , I want my , I don't .

Speaker 1

They'd be like , oh , I don't , I want a natural vibe but then guys are all online partying bitches with pbls 1000 or having their social media is filled with social media , instagram models .

Speaker 2

Let me tell you why Because back in the day , everybody wanted to .

Speaker 1

You had to be skinny , you had to be the fat person wasn't to standard , not with curvy , bbl women , this , this and that , and like you know what I mean , sorry when I tell you , niggas , don't like bitches with BBLs , we don't we don't , that shit is ugly .

Speaker 2

Y'all do that . Y'all do that because y'all think that's what we like . That's why y'all wear makeup and shit , or it's because that's what y'all want . It's it makes you feel better . No , like like no one . No one , no nigga really gives a fuck about a female that got a bbl . Like ain't nobody ain't out here , like oh yeah , my type is a bitch that got a BBL . I don't want a bitch that got a BBL .

Speaker 1

They wouldn't say BBL .

Speaker 2

They don't say that , they don't say BBL , but they be like .

Speaker 1

I want a bitch with a fat ass , I want a . I like a bitch with a fat ass . Skillaz Thong . He said if you gotta be , you gotta be BL . I don't wanna wanna fuck . He said that . He said he did say he wanted me . He don't give a fuck if you gotta be BL .

Speaker 2

Up Bob what he said he also got a song saying that he , his type , was only .

Speaker 1

Making song . Is this a dis about a skiller Whoever skiller ? Actually , no , whoever skiller may be Skiller . We're talking about you now . Hop on , hop on the podcast .

Speaker 2

Social media plays no part in the beauty standard at all . I don't care what , nobody says no , it does .

Speaker 1

It doesn't it does Because a lot of females , it a lot of females out here that only like big hoes , it's niggas out here that like skinny hoes , but do you see big hoes in music videos ? Yeah , big booty hoes with with bbls fucking any rapper big booty hoes with bBLs .

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Speaker 2

Any rapper .

Speaker 1

Yes or no ?

Speaker 2

big booty holes with BBLs though right , you will find a BBL in any rapper's music video . You will find a big bitch in Lizzo's video .

Speaker 1

Exactly because that's what they like , because that's what they want , they're attracting those fans . That's in trend . That's what is in trend right now .

Speaker 2

No , it's aesthetically pleasing .

Speaker 1

Appalling to people .

Speaker 2

that's why no it's going to get more people to watch the video .

Speaker 1

Like oh yeah , this bitch has a fat ass .

Speaker 2

Let me watch this video .

Speaker 1

Exactly .

Speaker 2

Nigga , I watch those videos and you know my type I don't like bitches with fat asses . But you watch the videos Name one bitch that I talked to that had a fat ass .

Speaker 1

A fat ass . Name one of them . Name one bitch that I talked to that had a fat ass A fat ass .

Speaker 2

Name one of them , name one of them , and I'll be watching the fuck out of those videos .

Speaker 1

Wait . So Like damn bitch , that bitch throwing that shit . Well , you can't pull a bitch with a fat ass .

Speaker 2

So who can't you , who can't you , don't play .

Speaker 1

Don't play . You heard as he says , but let's see . Hey , tomorrow Not tomorrow , but during PA we gonna see , cause the fans Gonna wanna see we still got that bet . First of all , y'all gonna fucking see Y'all , we still got that bet . Alright , I hope y'all , I hope y'all Ain't forget about that bet .

Speaker 2

No , no , no . Look though . Look though . Look though . Look though . Look though . Look though she be trying to play like I don't get hoes , but she has notes of every bitch in her fucking notes because she can't keep up with their names , don't fucking play with me , april .

Speaker 1

I can't keep up with their names .

Speaker 2

Don't play with me , it's too many , but it's too many . It's too many hoes on the not no more list though , yeah , not no more , not , no more , not , no more , not no more . But it is hoes on the I have and it is hoes on the never going nowhere so wait , there's two different lists , it's three different . It's three different lists , but yes okay , the ones that I have , the ones that lost and the ones that aren't going anywhere .

Speaker 1

That's your list ? Yeah , that's crazy what I got to see this . I don't want to . I just want to see what the list looking like , because I am actually flabbergasted that people Because I had a friend she got caught with a list of her bodies and I'm confused because it's like why do you have a list of stuff like that ? Wow , she's so wild . That's crazy . What ? Okay , why is it not ? Why are they on both ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , because I just lost him . I just lost him . Oh , that's yours , and I forgot to erase the name .

Speaker 1

Oh , my God . But , don't try to make it seem like I'm going to get , you , get that . You can cut this out . Right , you're going to cut this out , or what ? Yeah ?

Speaker 2

So I can't hit my vape right now .

Speaker 1

You can't hit your vape because I got to hurry up and put this in Excellent . Five minute intervention .

Speaker 2

She's on heavy . This podcast is kind of fun Huh . This podcast is kind of fun . It is fun , it's just like I'm just talking my shit .

Speaker 1

Yeah .

Speaker 2

We all talking our shit . This shit's fun .

Speaker 1

Oh hell , yeah , when I get on the podcast , I know how to start it . Yeah , oh wait . No , my chest is hurting . Oh my God .

Speaker 2

I don't know where to go , so I lay here and stay with these symptoms , symptoms of sorrow , and then again I love I love , I love I love I . What do you say ?

Speaker 1

I love I love , I love , I love . All right , y'all need to be more in sync , because that was trash . I sung it the way that he sung it . That look , it was in sync . It just sounded bad . Before we start .

Speaker 2

Okay , no , that part was going to go in when y'all singing , but I'll cut that out .

Speaker 1

Alright , bet that . That was too funny Action .

Speaker 2

I just had a . I had a ADHD moment and it was like that bitch talking about , she love me , but ain't buy me no banana bread , shiitake bread , what Shiitake bread ? I was just saying random shit and then after I said all that , I was like I love , I love .

Speaker 1

So these are my friends that be beer drinking yeah , I drink anything that . So these are my friends that I be beer drinking .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I drink anything that's in front of me . If it start with a T , it's not for me . So Tito's Taylor Port garbage BD .

Speaker 1

Why Tequila ? No Tequila , no Patron . I will kill myself .

Speaker 2

Drinky , I'm drinking . Tequila was the first thing I ever drunk it was , it was april , it was april 3rd 2020 . How was that ? When I was 18 19 , however old , I was 19 on april 23rd I know because , I'm my math , my math ain't math , and I'm bad at at math . I'm good at addition and subtraction , but whenever you , multiplying With the number 6 , 7 , 8 Can't do it In anything . Division can't do it . Don't know how I graduated .

Speaker 1

Sir , are you like Autistic ? No , don't do that , guys , we're not all dumb , we just all learn at different pace .

Speaker 2

I just never went to class Did you just say paste no . Don't do that , guys , we're not all done , we just all learn a different paste no .

Speaker 1

I just , I just never went to class and she just say paste yeah we all go a different , different pace , pace or pace paste . Sounds like that , but I'm dragging because it's like paste .

Speaker 2

This was ed paste . No , it's like p a c , e .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I thought you can't spell I , I can spell don't ever know I never . I never said , I couldn't , if you can't , if you couldn't spell , you can read .

Speaker 2

Look this . This is . This is the things that I can't do . Read good . I know how to read , I just can't do it good so , like a fifth grade , will cannot read I can't read . He cannot read I'll read for you right now read . Right now read .

Speaker 1

She got a book right here oh book . Fuck these words be too close read the summary though that's a all right , oh , we put him on the spot the world of forensic .

Speaker 2

What the fuck is that you gotta all right , all right . One thing about me as well . I am dyslexic . These words , what ? Psychologist on bro , I knew that .

Speaker 1

On bro , I knew that all right , I don't think about it the word of forensic .

Speaker 2

the world of the forensic psychologist can be highly unpredictable . The people you meet are rarely as Never mind Whoa watch out .

Speaker 1

What if we just got electrocuted ? I gave up Leslie's reading the Dark Side of the Mind . That's what the book is . I haven't started it , but it's Reading books are dumb , bro .

Speaker 2

We got audible books , bro .

Speaker 1

They read for you bro yeah , but I don't think I focused as well and I'm not in tune with it and , to be honest , I feel like . I feel like I can imagine things more when I read it myself instead of somebody reading it to me okay , so what if you have the audible and you're reading along with it ? No , I have to read it myself . At that point , yeah , because some people be sounding really funny .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I used to hate whenever we used to do popcorn reading in school and they would pick on me Like they would pick my name and I'd just walk out of class .

Speaker 1

I think my teacher was racist . She had pointed me out . She was like Lizzy , you can't read because you read two languages . I'm like , fuck it , Should I go with it ? Because if I go with it , maybe she wouldn't let me read . I was like , yeah , it's because of that . She's like okay , so we're going to have you sit over here and I'm going to have you read with me every day after class . I'm like are you seriously ? Because you're mexican , I'm like I feel , I feel like now you're being racist and I just really just didn't want to read because I had social anxiety to read out loud . It's like , who wants to read out ?

Speaker 2

loud girl I'm .

Speaker 1

When I , when they used to pick me to read , I used to have the book so close to my face . I used to be so shy and I used to speak so loud and they'll be like , can you speak up ? And they'll be like , can you speak up , and so .

Speaker 2

I remember vividly what's your phone .

Speaker 1

Yeah , I remember vividly y'all . Somebody was like I can't hear you what you say . I was so embarrassed I said . I looked up and said huh , and I had to reread it louder . So I was just like yes , I was just like okay .

Speaker 2

You know I ain't never did that reading shit in school . I wasn't going .

Speaker 1

It explains why I know you guys got that stuck in my head , we're definitely playing that on the way I'm dropping it off . Yeah , On the game . I know so , Pete . So Kansas was cool . It was my first time getting on an airplane . Mm-hmm , I'm not going to lie . I was drunk as fuck and I lost my luggage . I lost my purse and my luggage .

Speaker 1

I was about to say because where my luggage at ? Well , you're dropping me off , so I'll just give it to you , okay , but yeah , I lost my stuff . My phone died Because April we told you not to be on your phone . Yeah , so my phone died and yeah , that's one thing . He said there was charge reports on the airplane , when I specifically told him there wasn't and there wasn't , no , there was , but I had the wrong USB , like the back of the outlet part . I had the wrong one .

Speaker 2

In the Type-C .

Speaker 1

Yep and they had just the regular USB . On both of the airplanes , because every time I went on one there wasn't one , or maybe my shit just didn't work it was like every airplane I went on they had like the little wall outlet thing , so I was cool oh yeah , I never seen a while like yeah sometimes what are you trying to say I flew spirit before I'm just saying you feel me , I'll be going for the belgium from I me , y'all be going for the bougie .

Speaker 2

I do not be going for bougie .

Speaker 1

They give you what they have available to that place . You feel me , just think what spirit you feel me ?

Speaker 2

Spirit , cool Spirit . A spirit plane has never crashed . That's a fact .

Speaker 1

Is it ? Google it ? It's a fact I don't think that's a fact .

Speaker 2

Not a single spirit plane ever . I think it's . I think it is a fact , because I've seen it on facebook that ever crashed , isn't it ? No , bougie people probably don't know , I think it's like people don't know somebody .

Speaker 1

I think somebody like um bought it I don't know about that one .

Speaker 2

I don't know if we're gonna . I think I want to talk about life .

Speaker 1

Because what ? Why ? I just thought about my mom , like I don't know what . I think it's what you was talking about . It's's just probably to what my mom was telling me Okay . So I'm okay , y'all . I'm 21 . 21 . 21 . I feel like I'm grown . I'm at the age where I'm grown . Right why she had a problem that I was going to Kansas . Okay , yeah , she had a problem , I was going to Kansas , y'all .

Speaker 2

Yeah .

Speaker 1

And .

Speaker 2

She got cussed out in Mexican .

Speaker 1

I got cussed out in Mexican y'all In front of Spanish , yes , in front of him and Raven . And I'm just like Mom , like can you not do this here ? And then she said no , and she just started yakking . She was still yakking me , and then why ? She was like I'm gonna call the police on you and I'm like for what ? And she's like because I'm telling you I don't want you to go and I'm like , but I'm still fun to go . And then she was like well , I'm telling you not to . And I was like , well , I'm still gonna go . She's like , okay , well , like she just gave me that , like that . Then my like , like what's up ?

Speaker 2

like you're gonna see , you're gonna say yeah and I was just like yeah , but I .

Speaker 1

But I was like mom , like can you not do this here , can I ?

Speaker 2

do this here .

Speaker 1

And then she was like I just think she don't want you to be corrupted or like see things you don't want to see . But I feel like as an adult , or as growing in your age , in your , in your time , as a 21 year old , you I still believe . If I was a parent , I would want my kid to experience life and have their own experiences so they can see for the life what they want and make their own decisions based off what they believe is right . How can we do that if we're gonna always fixate or see what we have to listen to and obey orders ? We can't really be who we want to be this one and I used to have a table we had adjusted , sorry , yes , or instead of a high top table , I get a corner table for my podcast area , yes that's it .

Speaker 2

Type shit , type shit like a l table .

Speaker 1

What about ?

Speaker 2

what I do , like whenever we wanted to pull up a video or set up some facts , and then we had it right there and then the camera oh , yeah , that's so true .

Speaker 1

Yes , you're right , scratch that . I like that one better , okay , yeah . Yeah , because we could have instantly just did that . It starts with the facts , like is this true that the spirit has no like with crash accidents or nothing ? Dude , that is crazy , yeah . But I do understand where your mom's coming from . She's just worried and you never got on the plane and the now in this like time , planes have been getting an accident . So it's just , she was just worried . See , I understand the word part of whatever , but it's like the extra stuff , like you didn't yeah same same unnecessary things and she didn't have to like yell at me in front of them , like you know what I mean .

Speaker 1

I said , mom , can I ?

Speaker 2

think it was just right . Now she could have but , but , but it's still on .

Speaker 1

Some like bro , we , she's grown , she's grown if you're grown living your own damn house on your own roof , she working on it . I , I mean , I was already there . You know what I'm saying , though , like because , at the end of the day , if you don't want that responsibility of being yakked or having , that's why you're bringing you , don't bring nobody in your mom's home to what disrespect her right .

Speaker 1

But it's like that's . That's the same reason why I left in the first place . So it's like my , like my . You already know what I'm gonna do , what I'm on , what I'm like you're , what you want . She already know what I'm doing you too grown for me , so it's like mom , like you , I left when I was 17 .

Speaker 1

You know why I came back I , I follow your rules , do everything , but because I tell you I want to go somewhere . So no , she low-key becoming more lenient , because at this time and what time it is right now you would have never been able to go outside . Yeah , no , yeah , no , girl , you be coming home at any time you want , whenever the fuck I feel like . So you lucky she

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Speaker 1

but , I'm gonna ask you still be acting me . She'd be like so does this end up like because she's a mom ?

Speaker 2

like honestly in my life if it was , if it was abby though , then what ? Because she gay you're swinging the mic around , yeah , because you're making all that muffling sound .

Speaker 1

I'm so sorry y'all , but no , that's true , though , because your mom knows she's not going to go out and be pregnant . I think your mom's worried that certain stuff can happen to you , because , because , you be fucking . That and because she don't want you to regret something you're going to do . She knows Abby's not not gonna do stuff because she's more like right obedient for her and she knows abby's not gonna go out her way to travel alone .

Speaker 1

Yeah , abby's just not the type person to do that . You're more fun . She's like okay , abril has more riskier moments than abby does so of course I'm gonna worry more , yeah , and with my mom .

Speaker 1

I honestly wish my mom worried more . I just don't want her to be on my eyes . But my mom mom does not care about me Like she says she do , but in circumstantial moments , like she don't really check on me on a day-to-day basis Like I wish someone would , it's just like , I guess , when you don't have it , you realize like damn , I wish she would have done that , yeah .

Speaker 2

I mean , I don't be telling my mom about shit because , like you know , you think she's gonna tell everybody your business . No , but you're a guy too , though . It's just because , for one , I live by the same principle for everybody , whether it's the man up there , the evil man down there my mom , my dad got got arrested , so or even y'all , like , if y'all ask , I'm gonna tell y'all . But even y'all Like , if y'all ask , I'm going to tell y'all , but if y'all don't ask , it don't need to be done .

Speaker 1

Oh my gosh , like my mom don't even know I'm going OT .

Speaker 1

Oh , my God , I told my mom too . She was like the first time I started smoking . She found out because she had asked me . She was like why didn't you never tell me you smoked ? I'm like , you never asked me , so , also , I'm supposed to ask you every time . I'm like well , yeah , because I'm just trying to tell you something I know you don't feel comfortable with listening to , so if you want to know , ask me . Because I remember one time I had a boyfriend , like my freshman year , and people were asking me oh , you have a boyfriend now . And my mom was right there . She's like oh , so they just found out that you had a boyfriend , and now I'm just finding out . I'm like well , yeah , because you just heard it from someone else asking me . You didn't ask me . And she's like oh , so now you have a boyfriend . Who is this guy ?

Speaker 2

And I'm like mom , like not to jump back to the first topic , but communication . You know , all you got to do is talk . That's all we got to do .

Speaker 1

My mom is not good for communication If we're not talking about it . Or maybe I'm just not comfortable with talking to her because no-transcript comfortable or obligated to .

Speaker 2

That's why I feel like I feel like I don't .

Speaker 1

I feel like I don't have to ask her for anything , or like I shouldn't have to tell her , like , if you see me , I'm somewhere with mom . That's where I'm at .

Speaker 2

Like that's what I'm not gonna .

Speaker 1

I'm not gonna tell you or ask you because literally everything , everything I tell her , ask her . She'd be like no , and I'd be like okay , well , I'm gonna go do it anyway .

Speaker 2

So I'm just letting you know , but it's awesome like the way I see life is like bro , I don't what the hell in my opinion , like from my eyes , I feel like we really shouldn't ask people for advice , because this is your life experience but what if it's needed ? It is , but sometimes it's okay to hear somebody else's opinion , somebody you don't feel like if you're friends but what's the point of hearing somebody else's opinion whenever you're , whenever you know that you're just gonna do whatever ?

Speaker 1

you feel like is right .

Speaker 2

Okay , that's how I feel . That's how I feel when giving abril advice , okay , and I'm like okay , I know y'all was gonna come for me with that , because , because , but you know what ?

Speaker 1

Okay , you just want to hear what somebody got to say , not even what y'all got to say . All I want to do is just talk , like I just want to talk to somebody .

Speaker 2

You just want somebody to hear it .

Speaker 1

Yes , I just want somebody to hear me .

Speaker 2

Hear me out and just listen to what I got to say . So what you want is a shorter to lean on . You don't want somebody to like give you advice .

Speaker 1

She wants to vent without anybody else talking about you .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , yeah , she's coming all right , she's coming to you with the problems , she's just not looking for a solution no , but it's .

Speaker 1

It's . Unless I ask like I'll be like , unless I'd be like , okay , what should I do ?

Speaker 2

and I tell you what you should do and you do the opposite , okay but let's not hold on .

Speaker 1

Yeah , okay , okay , okay . Or or when I be , when abram get ready to tell me something I do . Are you gonna want my advice ? Because if you don't , then don't tell me , because I'm gonna tell you anyway but , it's like I want you to know . I still want you to know what the fuck I got going on . She's sad , but it's like and you know what that that do be my problem , like I do just want somebody to just listen to me , but that's what therapy's for but I also therapy don't work .

Speaker 1

It don't and you know , and I've been going for two years , no , and you know what the lady she stopped talking like she stopped texting me like I was trying to go see her . I was trying to go see her and she just didn't . She was like y'all got too much problems ?

Speaker 2

no bitch . I don't think I was trying to go see her and she just did yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , she was like y'all got too much problems , no bitch I don't think I was good enough for her because I'm like like low-key I think that's how mine is . I feel like if you don't pretend you're suicidal or anything like self-harming or harming to others , they don't want to really help these days a lot of therapists don't want to help because my therapist was asking me oh , what tattoo parlor should I go to ?

Speaker 1

um , I'm right here crying , talking about what therapy looks like with a tattoo . No , and it was crazy , because it's like , bro , I'm opening up to you and you're right here talking about , oh , what tattoo I should get , because you're a tattoo artist . But I can't come to you because it's like um , invading , like um the protocol or whatever , and I'm just like um , I gave her some suggestions . I'm like , damn , this is all over our session , like we're just talking about you .

Speaker 1

I feel like I'm the therapist she's like yeah , my parents died , so I'm gonna get this tattoo and I'm thinking I'm gonna get this over here and , mind you , no fat shaming . But the lady was like 200 pounds , at least a little more . And then she got a tattoo on her rib . She said no fat shaming . No fat shaming , but damn like what I'm going through some shit too when I was that's what I'm here for . When I was , going to therapy .

Speaker 2

It was on some shit like all right . It started off cool , we was getting to know each other , but then we got to like actually starting to talk about my problems why didn't you come to me in april ? The fuck y'all wasn't in the picture at that time okay but .

Speaker 2

But like at every time I started to talk about like that actual problem with that hand , she would stop me and be like you know , I'm a mandated reporter by law and if you talk about self-harm or harming others , I have to report that to the law . Basically , on some shit like if I tell her about my problems , it's going to end up being the case against me . So therapy was no help . I just gotta sit there and take that shit .

Speaker 1

What were you trying to do ? Kill somebody ? What was you trying to talk about ? What the fuck ?

Speaker 2

My fucking problems , but it wasn't nothing against me , I don't play about that suicide shit . I don't play about that suicide shit .

Speaker 1

You don't think you are , I ain't gonna do no shit like that . Okay , I don't think you are . I ain't gonna do no shit like that Okay .

Speaker 2

I don't think I would ever . Yeah , no , somebody gonna have to do that shit to me . To be honest , I tried .

Speaker 1

It didn't work out . So I was like damn fuck , I failed . No , you didn't . Literally I was embarrassed . I was like thanks , no , you shouldn't take your ass up .

Speaker 2

What is it ?

Speaker 1

I King Jong-un was like if you fail to kill yourself , we're gonna kill you for you , cause we don't like failures . I seen a nigga die for that shit that shit was crazy they posted a little article about that .

Speaker 2

I remember that King Jong-un is a real one .

Speaker 1

He gets jobs done . I wanna watch the interview again that shit was hilarious . I would wanna love to talk more , but I feel like I should end it here before it gets too late . So this is this is prime example podcast and this I am your host , leslie , and these were my guests and you guys can introduce yourselves . Call host abram guest poppy capone yes , and he could go ahead and shout out his little thank you for having me on tiktok , ig , fucking snapchat , any social media app .

Speaker 2

It's . Poppy capone . Yeah , it will be downlisted in um this on TikTok , ig , fucking Snapchat and your social media app . It's .

Speaker 1

Poppy Capone . Yeah , it will be downlisted in this YouTube and we are located on Spotify too , so there you go and listen and subscribe .

Speaker 2

We on Spotify with the shit too . Yes , damn , hey , spotify , a little bit of ASMR for you , okay .