Messengers

Ready to embark on a musical journey? We're peeling back the layers of August Burns Red's 2007 album 'Messengers' and you're invited to join in the exploration. This episode is all about the band's struggle with labeling themselves, their distinct sound, and the impact their work has had on the music scene. We'll even dive into the story behind the band's name and the rumors surrounding the album's title.

Ever wondered about the unique instruments used in 'Messengers'? We've got you covered! We'll discuss the use of the China instrument and how it amplifies the album's charm. 

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Exploring August Burns Red's Album 'Messengers

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Speaker 2 1:14

Yep All right Next .

Speaker 1 1:16

All right , well , next , yeah , we have a little shout out for the homie Ryan . We're doing August Burns Red Baby Messenger's album . Good old , solid , just . Oh man , this is such a good album Just .

Speaker 2 1:36

I know of it and I can picture it when you say it , but I don't know if I've actually sat down and listened to it all the way through .

Speaker 1 1:42

Yeah , I mean you can , it's one you can put on and like let it go through , it's heavy , it's metal , it's good old classic , just blast beats . And China , it's good heavy stuff that you're going to enjoy , and metalcore all the way through , and that's what they consider it . And I don't know . I mean it's , is it even melodic ? I don't know .

Speaker 2 2:11

I think so . I mean , what does melodic really mean ?

Speaker 1 2:14

Right , that's the . That's the real question Is what is really melodic ? Maybe I'm an idiot and I don't know . Just let me know , you guys could tell me it . Maybe they are melodic and I'm missing the whole point .

Speaker 2 2:26

But they are . I would say they are .

Speaker 1 2:28

I mean it's melodic . So is that just melodies ? Like , of course they have melodies , everybody's got melodies , but metal melodies I guess . I don't know .

Speaker 2 2:37

You know what ?

Speaker 1 2:38

Yeah go ahead and look it up , so I'm going to give them a little background . This album , messengers , came out in June 19th of 2007 with solid state records . It was recorded in just about a month , between January 29th and March 3rd of that year . Yeah they were ready to go . It was produced by the band and Tua Madison Madsen , a Danish producer . Notable bands that he worked with was Meshugah , Suicide Silence , the cleansing album . Specifically , he helped with Black Dollya Murders of Verminus album , which was a later album . Nice .

Speaker 1 3:18

Yeah , and he began back in 1997 and worked all the way through to 2020 . So this guy's been around for a good time . He retired , no , I just couldn't find anything after 2020 . And for sure , pretty sure he's still around .

Speaker 1 3:35

But yeah he helped out with this album . I believe his name was Tua Madison . Pretty cool , this album sold 9,000 copies and it's first week yeah , it went all the way to 80,000 . I don't know what that time period is . I guess it's at 80,000 overall , because that just seems low . But maybe if that's only physical copies I could kind of understand that . But I mean , I guess that's cool . I mean 2007 , were we focusing on hard copies ?

Speaker 2 4:06

Yes .

Speaker 1 4:07

Yeah , so I mean how many ? How ?

Speaker 2 4:10

back in .

Speaker 1 4:11

What did Britney do back then ? How many hard copies was Britney selling ? Britney Spears selling back then ?

Speaker 2 4:16

Oh , good one In comparison , Probably 2007, . I want to say she was on her second or maybe third album .

Speaker 1 4:28

I'm just talking hard copies . Do you have any ? You don't know any . You don't need any numbers of like how many copies I just I don't know , I'm just trying to find a comparison oh , like , sold , yeah , because that's what I'm talking about here .

Speaker 1 4:40

9,000 copies were sold in the first week of this album coming out and I just don't know . That just seems like low to me . But I guess back then the standards were different and I don't know what those standards were . Anyway , onto the band members . We've got the boy , the man , the legend . Jake Allure's , lee Vocals , matt Greener on drums another legend . I mean , everybody here's a legend , come on , let's be real . But Matt Greener , he plays drums and piano . We got JB Brubaker on lead guitar , brent Rambler on rhythm guitar , dustin Davidson on the bass and backing vocals . These guys were around for this album specifically . I know they've had a couple different members , but I'm pretty sure JB , matt Greener and Dustin have always been in the band since its inception . Additionally , we had Troy Glesender was a mastering on this album and then Jay Dunn , ray Clark from a band Demon Hunter .

Speaker 1 5:50

They had like a little band going on back then , but they were . They later kind of gave that up and were more like scouts and worked for Solid State Records , and JD especially was the artist and repertoire , which is an interesting job . Basically , it's a division of a record label or music publishing company that is responsible for talent scouting and overseeing the artistic . So I mean , the best I can say is he basically is like hey , I found these guys in a bar and I think they're really cool and he like tells the record label about them and then helps them prepare themselves for the record label . Yeah , so he works with them , he's in the scene , knows all the cool people , knows all the ones that might be popping , and he kind of scouted them out in a sense .

Speaker 2 6:36

So can you tell us the names again one more time ?

Speaker 1 6:40

Of the band members .

Speaker 2 6:42

Of who you're just talking about .

Speaker 1 6:44

Oh , this is John Dunn and Ryan Clark . Okay , John Dunn , specifically , thank you , jd sometimes referred to . He was the artist and repertoire and he'll come up again later . That's why I kind of bring him up right now . But he was just like a guy that did a thing for records Solid State Records and kind of , in a way , brought August Burns Red on to their radar .

Speaker 1 7:10

Oh okay Because they had only they had done one album , I believe , before this one , and they kind of got them on the on track , but they weren't like popping popping Okay . So we also had Jared Nudson did the cover photo and David Hill did band photo , all right , so I got an interview . I found this interview .

Speaker 2 7:35

We love interviews .

Speaker 1 7:36

Yeah , we like , did we like the interviews ? We want to hear what they were feeling , what they were thinking . It's good information . This is a this guy . I found it on a Reddit . If I will , it will get . It was a link on Reddit to kill the musicnet . A guy named Jordan Muller did this interview back in 2016 , october 27th , about four albums after this album , messengers , came out . Yeah , he hit up JB , jb Brubaker , the lead guitarist , and did this retrospective . He called it so in this interview . You know he just asking them questions . Band didn't have a whole lot of expectations for this album when it came out . They were just happy with the sound and glad people were listening to it . And a week later , john Dunn , their A&R , came around and was like hey guys , you are 81 on the top of Billboard 200 . Wow .

Speaker 1 8:38

Billboard 200 top . Wow , okay , it's called the Billboard top 200 . I'm so sorry . I'm a massacre at that .

Speaker 2 8:46

Sorry , we all do , we have our moments .

Speaker 1 8:48

Yeah , I'm having a moment this whole time , but thanks guys for being here in my moment I'm happy to be here . I'm having fun .

Speaker 2 8:59

It's a blast .

Speaker 1 9:00

This , this surprised them , you know , being 81 on the top 200 Billboard , and it was the moment that they realized that they were a real band .

Speaker 2 9:11

What ? Yeah right , they're real , a real band .

Speaker 1 9:15

Dude ain't just no more garages and bars were real guys . Wow . Jb mentions that this was the album that put them on the map and how younger bands tell them it was an inspiration . Definitely for me too , growing up .

Speaker 2 9:30

I can't .

Speaker 1 9:31

But alternatively he would geek out when he would go on tours with bands like as A Le Dying and Breeding Between the Buried and Me . It's kind of a cool little .

Speaker 2 9:40

Deli Guterres . Yeah this is .

Speaker 1 9:42

JB talking Cool . Yeah , I mean it's kind of cool , like you know they're all just guys . But like , everybody has inspirations and sometimes meeting your heroes isn't as bad as some songs make it out to be . So he's just kind of talking about how he would geek out and like be like , oh man you guys are so great , you're such an inspiration .

Speaker 1 10:00

But then he would also have guys come up to him later on in his career and be like oh my God , your albums , your guys' earlier stuff is what made me become a guitarist , and blah , blah , blah . So it's really cool . Yeah , just seeing both sides .

Speaker 2 10:13

That must be really rewarding .

Speaker 1 10:15

I'm sure when asked about the lyrics of Messengers he said he can't imagine writing like that anymore . It's definitely a different style that they had back then . Matt in particular was very biblical , had a lot of theology . Brent had like frustrations with societies when he was writing , and then JB Are these previous vocalists ?

Speaker 2 10:40

Do you know what they're talking ?

Speaker 1 10:42

about no , so they all kind of took turns like writing songs . Jake Lurez did not write all the lyrics . I don't have like a list of exactly who wrote what .

Speaker 2 10:54

Sure , I think that's pretty common though . Right .

Speaker 1 10:56

But they all worked together at different points to write these songs . So he's just speaking about how they all have different writing topics and then so yeah , so Matt was really biblical . Brent had frustrations with society , and then JB wrote Backburner , talking about your convictions and living in the moment . So Jamie was single at the time and living with his parents . His whole life was all about a br and touring . I mean , it's just like a dream , you know .

Speaker 2 11:36

I don't know how old he was at the time .

Speaker 1 11:38

Oh man , that's a great question . I Don't have it in my notes . Okay , I want to say he was young . I mean he had to have been high school , if not like really well , maybe not high school and maybe like , maybe like just graduated , living with his parents . But he wasn't even worried about having a relationship , he just put it all into the band . It's awesome . This is awesome dude .

Speaker 2 12:07

Yeah , I am . I saw that throughout my brother's band experience . He's been in a lot of bands and you can definitely tell the different Individuals who took it seriously and those who didn't right and the ones who did take it seriously are still playing music today .

Speaker 1 12:24

Yeah , it stinks because I mean , we all have responsibilities and things that come our way and Things that we don't plan for , that we have to handle , but it's awesome to see people keep pushing through and always making music . You know , music is a thing to live for and I'm glad that we have the music we have and we're here to talk about it . And yeah , I mean that's kind of the last point of this interview was just the impact . They couldn't imagine what it would have on the community and it just makes a lot of sense . When you do your best work and you put out great music , people will enjoy it and that's all it really takes sometimes .

Band Name Origins and Song Interpretations

Speaker 1 13:04

Yeah , so you know , people think there's a lot of stuff and a lot of behind the scenes and who you know . But if you've got the talent and you've got the people that put the heart into it , you can . You can make it happen .

Speaker 2 13:17

You can literally do anything you put your mind to .

Speaker 1 13:20

Absolutely . But we really do have the power and I got power , we got the power , got a couple facts for you guys .

Speaker 2 13:33

Oh , I love you guys like facts . Be to do the bunch .

Speaker 1 13:37

Dang it . She's smart . I'm not as smart as her guys .

Speaker 1 13:41

That's why it took me a month to research all this , but we're here . We made it , I'm sorry . So there was a rumor about how this band name came about . Mm-hmm , they did an interview in 2007 , right after this album came out . You know , okay , as a way to Advertise , oh , you put . Oh , brent , the other guitarist , brent , he , he had a story . So there was a guy named John Hershey , the original vocalist , I guess , the guy who made this band pretty much along with the rest of the members . So , original members .

Speaker 2 14:26

Hershey must be an awesome last name .

Speaker 1 14:29

You think so I don't like it . I mean , I like Hershey , but like the chocolate . But I wouldn't want my name to be Hershey , unless I had all of that chocolate money , mm-hmm .

Speaker 2 14:40

Okay .

Speaker 1 14:41

I don't think this guy had chocolate money .

Speaker 2 14:43

No , no chocolate money .

Speaker 1 14:44

Nope , not for this man , because he was dating a woman named August , won't you know ? And Supposedly they broke up and she was not happy . So she came to his house and lit his dog red on fire . That was what they told in this 2007 interview .

Speaker 1 15:03

They kind of made a joke about it , and then you know they decided to name their band August Prince Red , which was originally with two D's . They were pretty elaborate with this whole thing , so I was not expecting that . Yeah , neither was I , so I wanted to give that out , but it was also debunked , and I'm right , you said it was a rumor .

Speaker 2 15:23

Yeah , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 1 15:25

In a 2012 radio interview , the drummer , matt , came in with some real information and said now we just came up with a name to come up with a name . I guess back in 2007 they were just having fun and making up stuff , but yeah , they just came up with it to come up with it good old dog name read yeah , with two D's . August Prince Red . If you know this band , you probably have an idea that they are pretty Christian and .

Speaker 1 15:58

I didn't want to get super into it , but they , they have evertones , they all have their own own style of belief and I kind of got into some research and found that they actually , as a band , struggled with cancelling themselves Christian metal or just metal Because they didn't want people to confuse their music with other Christian influencers that actually spread real word . Gospel yeah they're more focused on just making cool music .

Speaker 1 16:25

They are Christian people . They are Christian people but not their music . Does that make sense ? Like they're not gonna be like mean and gross and anti-Christian in their music , but they don't necessarily write about huh just their personal beliefs . Sometimes they do write about that , but they don't make their music solely for that purpose . Does that make sense ? Yeah .

Speaker 1 16:51

Um , so yeah , they wanted to maybe talk about not being Christian labeling , but they kept it in the long run . I see yeah and then my favorite part about this album and . Abr in general is just the use of the China this album , just any song and Check it out . Breakdowns and other rhythms . I mean the China just rings and it is amazing it got me to get a China .

Speaker 1 17:24

I had to have one when I was playing drums and I loved using it , and it's probably why I can't hear as well out of my Right ear anymore . But hey , it was worth it . I had a good time and it sounded awesome .

Speaker 2 17:37

Yeah , great China sound dope .

Speaker 1 17:42

I love China . They are Get yourself a China drummers if you . If you're a drummer , just do it , go for it . It is also worth noting that they did a remixed version of this album in 2016 .

Speaker 2 18:00

Oh really .

Speaker 1 18:00

Yeah , it was like re-recorded and remastered after they did the anniversary tour .

Speaker 2 18:06

Oh nice . Yeah , I think a lot of bands do that , at least back then .

Speaker 1 18:11

Um , I mean , not as many bands make it as long as them , but the ones that do have , I believe yeah yeah , like Pierce the veil and A data remember nice . All right on to the song list .

Speaker 2 18:27

Whoo .

Speaker 1 18:29

Yeah , good of the song list , get excited .

Speaker 2 18:32

It's the fun part best part , for sure .

Speaker 1 18:35

So we got number one . Truth of a liar .

Speaker 4 19:04

I .

Speaker 2 19:10

Mean what it is . What's about ?

Speaker 1 19:12

well , I couldn't find too much on this one At least on the website that I checked out Like about what it's what the song is about , but I want to say that it is a hard core song to start off the album with . It really sets the tone , definitely in all-time favorite . I think it's got one of the most listens of all their songs ever . So yeah , great song for the beginning of the album . Anyway , I think this song my personal like interpretation would be that it's about ego . So you know .

Speaker 2 19:54

That makes sense . It kind of ties to the title .

Speaker 1 19:57

Yeah , going so far as to believe that you know more than other people . You know and , like you're , you think you're perfect , but you're not . That's just the world that we live in , and you really shouldn't let ignorance control you . Face the truth and don't live in denial .

Speaker 2 20:20

For sure you heard it here first .

Speaker 1 20:23

I Hope you didn't hear it here first . That's something you should already know . You . Huh , so we got next up against the road .

Speaker 2 21:03

Is that related to like pirates and stuff or no ?

Speaker 1 21:13

I always interpreted it as like boxing . So when you're in like a boxing ring and they got the ropes around it and like someone's pushed you into a corner and Now you're like on the ropes , so you better Shape up and fight back or you're gonna . You're gonna be done .

Speaker 2 21:34

Yikes .

Speaker 1 21:35

Yeah scary but the this song isn't quite about that . I've found that it's about Christian faith and you know you've got somebody that is Not as Into it as you are , so you're trying to like help them , but they just really don't want to listen . They would rather suffer in this distance .

Speaker 2 21:58

Do you mean like they're not really into the religion ?

Speaker 1 22:04

No , it's just . They Don't want to hear it like they don't . They believe right , they're doing fine and when , when really they could be living a better life if they listen to this friend , or so the friend is trying to tell them .

Speaker 2 22:19

Hmm , I see .

Speaker 1 22:21

Yeah , they may be saying things . The person that Doesn't want to listen is like you know , only the strong and the fortunate will survive . I don't need to hear about this faith , but when they go home and they think about themselves and they look inside , they can see that there is a lot of problem and they are actually suffering in a dark time .

Speaker 1 22:43

That hits deep , yeah , yeah . So you know , you might want to live a little better , but they just continue to not live so well and in the end we're all dead . So who really cares ? Right , at least that's what's presented into this song , yeah , but we have to remember that we are forgiven , so we can forgive ourselves and live on . I will live on , yeah .

Speaker 2 23:14

I don't know what that was . It was just fitting , was it ?

Speaker 1 23:20

Came out of me . I just started singing Cool . Okay , we got number three backburner Starting right off on the song , we got the convictions of the backburner . You know , when you're putting something on the backburner , it usually means you're not thinking about it , and that's the problem in this song . We know that there is something , but we don't really pay attention to it . That could make everything better , right , but we decide to start buying things and materials and seeking all kinds of other things that will bring us joy .

Speaker 2 24:35

But they say that money can't buy happiness .

Speaker 1 24:37

Who says that ?

Speaker 2 24:39

I don't know man .

Speaker 1 24:41

I mean people say that and it's probably true . It's not a true happiness . Sure . I mean it can be . It would definitely help most people .

Speaker 2 24:56

Let's be real .

Speaker 1 24:59

Yeah , no matter what , though , the empty feeling doesn't really go away . So what do we do ? A lot of people keep looking around in the wrong places , and they just can't find that missing piece .

Speaker 2 25:13

They need Jesus .

Speaker 1 25:15

Is that that ? Yeah , I think that's what they're saying . So , but those people become cold and they don't know what to look for . They just keep looking around and can't find it . They just can't do it Till they finally hit the rock bottom , and then maybe they can wake up and take a new trail and live on as long as they're not destroyed by the reality of it all .

Speaker 2 25:42

One can hope .

Speaker 1 25:46

I mean , this is metal , right , it's so metal , it's so metal .

Speaker 2 25:50

Gets me right in the feelers .

Speaker 1 25:53

In the metal feelers . Number four the Blinding Light .

Speaker 2 26:32

Alright , the weekend , let's go .

Speaker 1 26:34

Oh did he did ? Oh no , even Kanye had like a blinding lights thing . Anyway , this one seems a little more straightforward as it's about oppressive government . Nice , right , kind of timeless . Everybody could talk about some oppressive government here and there , but you know they start off with inciting fear and causing people to look around and just ask too many questions . Sounds a little familiar .

Speaker 2 27:06

Just a bit .

Speaker 1 27:08

You know they want to keep people inside , keep them safe , because there's too much filth out in the world .

Speaker 2 27:15

Wait , wait , wait , whoa . Okay , when was this album ?

Speaker 1 27:18

This was written in 2006 .

Speaker 2 27:21

Yeah , A little foreshadowing , or I guess it's always just been a problem . Yeah .

Speaker 1 27:26

I don't know if it's a foreshadow , so to speak . I mean .

Speaker 2 27:29

I think it's fitting in every timeline , I suppose .

Speaker 1 27:31

It's happening all over , it happens in all the time . So , like I said , it's timeless . You could always talk about this situation , but there are those that are born with a silver spoon in their mouth , and those are the ones that have to be protected , or that's what the government is trying to tell us without telling us . So they will do whatever they can and take all life away to protect those on top .

Speaker 2 27:59

That's brutal .

Speaker 1 28:00

It is , it's scary .

Speaker 2 28:01

It's hard to think about .

Speaker 1 28:03

And they got it all planned out and they don't need individuality , we don't need to listen to anything else , we just need to stay home and they will figure it all out for us .

Speaker 2 28:14

Boring .

Speaker 1 28:15

But if they take their eyes off us , we can rise up and take them down .

Speaker 2 28:22

Alright , that's how it ends . Now we're being tracked .

Speaker 1 28:25

Oh , I've been on a watchlist .

Speaker 2 28:28

Oh , have you .

Speaker 1 28:30

Hmm , how would you ever know ?

Speaker 2 28:34

With the feds come knocking on our doors Nah .

Speaker 1 28:38

Okay , on to my favorite song Composer . Check it out , pick yourself up and sing . Your life fell apart again . You got the scars . So proud men . It's not the first time .

Speaker 4 28:58

Revealing the form . Oh , it's a good one . Oh , it's a good one . Oh , tell the truth . Don't be the same on your own .

Speaker 1 29:22

Number five yes , super heavy . I mean , I don't know if I heard this one first or truth of a liar , but they were just , they're just so good All time probably all time top three song . Right here I just forever , forever favorite song and it is pretty much about keeping your composure . You know it's a hard thing to do sometimes , but when we go through hardships it makes us better in life .

Speaker 2 29:55

There's always something to learn .

Speaker 1 29:58

Things can fall apart on us , you know , and we all have scars , physical and mental , to show for that . Society tends to say that we just need to pull ourselves together and not show that pain , even as it gets deeper . If you heard my dog , excuse him , we love him , but he's loud and annoying .

Speaker 1 30:21

Oh hello , his name is Aleeric Isn't that cool guys ? We have a dog named Lyric , and now he's sitting on our lap , anyway . Um so , even though society , yeah , tells us and we sink deeper , so our demeanor starts to change and we sink into ourselves and , you know , we're just not the people that we used to be and our , the things that we cared about , don't seem to be as important . We continue to get pulled under and everyone feels like it's just so overwhelming , but we have crutches that have always been there our God and our family and our community so we can move away from the past and lead a great life , because we don't have to do it all alone .

Speaker 2 31:20

I love that . Yeah , it's so true .

Speaker 1 31:22

It's a great song , heavy song . Don't don't get the lyrics wrong . It's super metal . All right , number six vital signs .

"Analysis of "Messengers" by ABR"

Speaker 1 32:05

So this song seems to be kind of interesting . I never knew this until I looked it up for this episode , but it's something like to do with a false preacher controlling a church and , you know , just corrupted . And these people come to church and they don't even really understand it . They're just leading and listening to this because guy who's saying all these nice and pretty things ? And this can happen more often than not , whether the people realize it on their own or don't .

Speaker 4 32:55

It's unfortunate you know some people .

Speaker 1 32:57

Some people interpret the wrong way of the Bible and then they get Confused and mixed up and this kind of stuff . Yeah , you know , more and more people keep coming in and this , this church , starts to crumble , but they just shake each other's hands and it's all meaningless . And then there's a really cool buildup . It gets really nice and heavy towards the end of this song .

Speaker 1 33:22

Yeah , it gets like nice and yeah they just come to a big end and there's just nothing less stuff . This poor church and it's all skin and bones and Faith is ruined by the false prophet . Wow , yeah , it's a pretty intense album . You know I'm not looking really looking into it . There's a . There's a lot of heavy . It's a pretty intense album . You know I'm not looking really looking into it , really looking into it . There's a . There's a lot of heavy hitting topics . Yeah but it's just all composed so well , such a pun intended .

Speaker 1 33:59

Yes , all right . Number seven , the 11th hour True , a heavy metal masterpiece Just keeps . This album just keeps pushing them and you know , you just got to listen , you got to keep going all the way through they deliver .

Speaker 1 34:51

Yeah , one person believed this song to be addressed to atheists . I don't think it's that dramatic of a song , kind of like you know the idea of in your 11th hour You'll give it all up and now you don't . Now you see the truth before you . So , like people that don't believe in God will have their 11th hour and be shown the truth Could be what it's talking about never heard that , but that sounds absurd . What do you mean ?

Speaker 2 35:24

I don't know . Well whatever you just said .

Speaker 1 35:27

I just meaning like You've never heard of the 11th hour . No oh , it's just a way of talking about like a Like your final moments . So like a warrior's 11th hour would be like their last battle , like they know they're not gonna survive , but they have to go out and fight this battle for whatever reason .

Speaker 2 35:48

So that's , I had a different idea , sorry .

Speaker 1 35:50

Yeah , it's just a . It's just a way to romanticize death and departure , I guess .

Speaker 2 36:01

Yikes , okay , continue .

Speaker 1 36:03

Okay , I Plan to . We got to get through the rest of this . Yes somehow , but anyway , in the 11th hour Everybody will come to bend the knee to Jesus Christ , and whether you go to heaven or hell is up to you , right . That's what it's all about .

Speaker 2 36:27

Dang it .

Speaker 1 36:28

I didn't want to do that , but you did it for me . Thank you , wife . Number eight the balance .

Speaker 4 37:06

Oh .

Speaker 1 37:22

Pretty straightforward song here . Society or the government , doesn't want us thinking too much , so they give us medicine to stop the false symptoms . They try to manipulate us . Once we are dosed up , as long as you listen to them , you will have no identity and be perfect .

Speaker 2 37:42

Isn't that ?

Speaker 1 37:42

isn't that great .

Speaker 2 37:45

Just where's the balance .

Speaker 1 37:47

That is the balance , is that everybody is the same and you don't change , you don't break free of any abnormality . You're just plain Jane , doing it for your .

Speaker 2 38:00

Oh boring .

Speaker 1 38:01

Yeah Well , I mean , there are people out there that would have us normal , non-crazy rich people , I guess , is a way to put it . I don't know . I hate to bring it back to like money , but it just seems like there's a 1% and they want to control everything .

Speaker 2 38:22

Yeah , I mean , you're not wrong .

Speaker 1 38:25

Nope , not anymore . We all know it Okay . This is a really fun episode , huh , guys . Yes yeah , we're going on vacation , so after this . So hopefully we'll have a nice refresher . We'll come back and have some new stuff for you .

Speaker 2 38:49

Boy , do we need it ?

Speaker 1 38:50

We all need it . Oh , so anyway , we got number nine black sheep .

Speaker 2 40:04

Another another pretty simple one are you laughing because you're thinking of the lullaby ?

Speaker 1 40:09

Is there Bob ? No no , but I mean , but I can see you were thinking of it . Yeah , the drums have always stood out for me in this song . Matt Grainer really just has a way of weaving the beat in and out flowing the time signatures for this song yeah , pretty much , but I think this was like one of the first ones right that they recorded and Really just set that whole tone for their music .

Speaker 1 40:57

So the song , staying true to its title , seems to be about some , but that's straight from their faith . So a black sheep is somebody that is a different , not quite what they were supposed to be or what their Family was hoping they would be . You know , if you've got siblings and you're kind of the weird one you might be , a black sheep doesn't necessarily mean anything . What's wrong with you ? Just a hug . You're a little odd .

Speaker 2 41:25

Odd people are my favorite people . Yeah they make life fun .

Speaker 1 41:29

Mm-hmm , but in this song they try to get others to join them . So they're not the black sheep , but the other people won't listen because they know that the black sheep is a problem and will only bring about ruin for the rest of them . And this person , the black sheep , just gets caught up in all of their stuff and , you know , has a life in a jail cell , basically because they don't want to . Like conform .

Speaker 1 42:04

Well , conform . But so I kind of set it up in a weird way , like it's more like somebody that has Lost their faith and is trying to get other people to follow them in the unrighteous path . Right . But nobody will follow them . And then that person , the black sheep , is in a lifeless Joseph . Yes , so number 10 , an American dream . That's not what this song's about the title .

Speaker 2 43:07

Yeah , okay , right off .

Speaker 1 43:09

They got you . I Didn't really like this song when I first got into the album . First of all , it was towards the end . So you know I would just repeat the album because the cool songs were at the beginning . Yeah , and you know my younger years , I didn't like Politics . I was annoyed whenever our politics was brought up . Yeah mm-hmm , but I've grown old and I've seen too much . I'm 30 now , dang it , but I think this song is aged pretty well , considering the American dream that we're all faced with now .

Speaker 2 43:54

Just like you .

Speaker 1 43:56

I'm not an American dream but you aged very well . Oh , da , da , da , ba , da ba ba we're having fun . We're really having fun . Hope you guys are enjoying it .

Speaker 2 44:15

So we are .

Speaker 1 44:19

So but this song kind of points out how the younger generation it's kind of brainwashed and they don't really get to see how life was before everything and the Government and society can use that to push their agendas . And really just the problem is vanity , guys . Vanity is a problem . You know , don't , don't buy nice cool things , don't be materialistic , give it all up and Then live the American dream and then yeah , what's the ?

Speaker 2 44:55

American dream .

Speaker 1 44:56

Well , that's the problem because society tells you it's materials , right , right , it's being perfect having the best body , having the most stuff , the best cars . But what they're trying to say in this song is you don't need it all , so it's all vanity . Just give it all up .

Speaker 2 45:13

Yeah , I mean , I guess the true American dream is just living in freedom .

Speaker 1 45:17

The American dream has changed , and that's the problem .

Speaker 2 45:20

Yeah .

Speaker 1 45:21

Yep , the idea All right . Finally , if you've made it this far , thank you so much . We've got number 11 , red commission .

Speaker 4 46:02

With a heart in three , four hands . I am a heart in three , two . I am just a man With a heart in three , four hands . I am a heart in three , two . Lord , show me the way . Let my words be your words . Let my thoughts be your light . Let my words be your light .

Speaker 1 46:43

Lord , show me the way .

Speaker 2 47:03

That's a final conclusion .

Speaker 1 47:30

Problems and being a victim of our sins , and hoping that you will show us the way . Beautiful .

Speaker 1 47:38

It's wonderful . All right , guys , that is the album messengers by August Burns Red , and hope you enjoyed it . Hope you had a good time . Glad you checked us out . Yeah , no , I know we're not done . We got a top three , so we'll hit you with that . Cool , all right . So we got Cool . So we got that done . Yeah , we did it , yep , and now we got our top three for this week . We decided this time we're going to do it live . So we got a little website . We're going to spin a little wheel . We got like eight topics on here and we're going to see what we land on and then we'll take a break and we'll come back and tell you about the results .

Speaker 2 48:39

Heck , yeah , let's do it .

Speaker 1 48:40

Okay , let's go . Don't mind the music Too much . Oh man , oh my gosh , all right . That's cool .

Speaker 4 48:51

Yay .

Speaker 2 48:53

We only get to pick three .

Speaker 1 48:55

Yeah , so okay , we're going to do top three 90s artist .

Speaker 2 49:03

Okay , is this specifically like a genre just in general , over overall 90s ?

Speaker 1 49:08

I think it's just anybody from the 90s . You can make a list of three and if you guys made it this far and you're still listening , send us some top three topics . What are some that you would like to hear ? We , like I said , we got a wheel . We can always add , we're going to remove the ones we do and , yeah , we'll keep doing your requests and we can make this kind of fun for everybody . So , yeah , we will be back with our answers and you won't even know that we were gone . All right , we're back .

Speaker 2 49:42

Hi hey . And we're back with the top three artists of 90s or from the 90s .

Speaker 1 49:51

Yeah , you can go first .

Speaker 2 49:52

Yeah , you can go first so okay , I got the smashing pumpkins on my list .

Speaker 1 49:57

Really , you listen to them .

Speaker 2 49:59

Yeah , I just saw them .

Speaker 1 50:01

Nice .

Speaker 2 50:02

With my cousin , like at the end of August , I think .

Speaker 1 50:06

Nice .

Speaker 2 50:07

With Stone Temple Pilots . It was so good .

Speaker 1 50:10

That sounds really cool . My first one . These aren't really in an order . I think we say that all the time , but yeah , be sure to . I'm going to start it off with Green Day .

Speaker 2 50:24

I knew it I knew you would do that . That's why I didn't .

Speaker 1 50:27

It's on mine , yeah it was either them or another one that I won't mention because maybe it's on your list , but yeah , they doubt it . You probably won't see this coming yeah we'll have some runner ups , but they had some cool stuff . They were fun . I remember playing their music on my CDs , my little headsets .

Speaker 2 50:47

Right on .

Speaker 1 50:50

Next for you .

Speaker 2 50:51

Oh , I'm sorry . Next on my list is Alonis Morissette . Who . Alonis Morissette .

Speaker 1 50:57

I don't know that person Group .

Speaker 2 51:01

Wow , yeah , you do . She has that song iconic . It's like rain .

Speaker 1 51:11

Oh , okay , okay , Well , that's cool . I mean , okay , if you're going to go like so , are you thinking more like what you were listening to in the 90s ? Like what ?

Speaker 2 51:27

Well , I was only like in the 90s for a short amount of time , okay .

Speaker 1 51:34

So , let's say , in the 2000s , whatever when you started listening to music and you started and you picked up a couple of 90s artists , was that what influenced your picks ?

Speaker 2 51:43

Yeah , I would say so Absolutely . I still listen to them today .

Speaker 1 51:48

Okay , cool , so I think we're on my second one . I mean , and if that's kind of where you're going , well , I won't go there .

Speaker 2 51:59

Honestly , I don't know if I ever say her name right . Can I just say that real quick . I don't know if it's Alonis or Alanis Morissette , I hear it both ways .

Speaker 1 52:09

I mean Alonis looks right to me .

Speaker 2 52:12

But see , I might be biased because Again sounds right to me . Yeah .

Speaker 1 52:17

Okay , so my second one , right Second one yes . Yeah , it's going to be rage against the machine .

Speaker 2 52:26

Really .

Speaker 1 52:27

Yeah . Wow . I just I really I thought they were really cool . I mean , when I finally did I didn't find them in the 90s , clearly , but when I did come upon them I really enjoyed their stuff and they were cool . They were fun . Like I didn't really like punk music but they were more trashy and against the establishment , it was fun .

Speaker 2 52:49

I know I'm surprised they're on your list , yeah .

Speaker 1 52:52

All right , so your final one .

Speaker 2 52:56

It's really hard . I wish I can pick more than just three , because there's a lot of really good artists to choose from , but I just saw I just can't . I just had to put them on the list over everybody else . Matchbox 20 .

Speaker 1 53:11

Wow Okay .

Speaker 2 53:13

I love them .

Speaker 1 53:14

That's cool . So my biggest thing was from them was they were in a lot of like early sport video games . Like I remember hearing their music and like I want to say Tony Hawks and like SSX , the snowboarding game . So that's cool . I like that pick . Yeah . My final pick is going to be System of a Down .

Speaker 2 53:34

Hell yeah .

Speaker 1 53:35

They were

90s Band Influences Music Taste

Speaker 1 53:37

great . I mean , I actually remember listening to them in like fifth , sixth grade when I was showing them . I think it was like barely 2000 . And I was listening to them and it really changed my mind about music and what I had seen and heard about music .

Speaker 2 53:54

They were same for me . They were actually my first concert and I was 11 .

Speaker 4 53:59

That's awesome .

Speaker 2 54:00

So , to say the least , they definitely influenced my music taste and I definitely have in the future to go over a few of their albums , so looking forward to that , but seeing them live , it's so awesome .

Speaker 1 54:13

Yeah , I bet they have a great show .

Speaker 2 54:15

Like the light show and everything Heck yeah .

Speaker 1 54:17

Yeah , runner up and a bit of a shout out here , mom , I do like the Backstreet Boys . I won't listen to them anymore , but they were a good 90s band .

Speaker 2 54:30

Yeah , wasn't that your first concert technically ?

Speaker 1 54:34

Well , we just put that out there . Yes , I was taken to a Backstreet Boys concert .

Speaker 2 54:43

Against your will .

Speaker 1 54:44

I was not old enough to decide against and I had fun . I'm not saying I didn't enjoy it , but it wasn't my choice . Like I said , when I found other music , I enjoyed it more . I'm not to mom yes , you're welcome . I don't even think she listens , but I might have her listen to this one . All right , guys , thanks again . We love you . Let us know what you think . We're on Instagram at oh , our dogs outside .

Speaker 2 55:19

I gotta go Postmoshpod at on IG .

Speaker 1 55:25

Right and our email is you know what ?

Speaker 2 55:29

Postmosh clarity on Instagram and postmoshpod at gmailcom . Gotta go get my dog Bye .

Speaker 1 55:53

All right you .