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Navigating Personalized Healthcare: Andy Rogers on Tailoring Wellness and Hormone Therapy

• Jonathan Tipton, Steve Reed & Christine Reed • Episode 24

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Embark on a transformative journey through the world of personalized healthcare with guest Andy Rogers from Performance Medicine, as we peel back the layers of conventional treatment to reveal a tailored approach to wellness. In a discussion rooted in the philosophy of patient-centered care, we uncover the essence of what makes Andy's father, Dr. Tom Rogers's model so revolutionary. From my own experience with their dedicated team, I can assure you that the level of detail and individual attention given to each patient's health goals is nothing short of remarkable. This conversation is not just about medical insights; it's a reflection of East Tennessee's deep-seated values of personalized attention and community care.

We then navigate through the complex terrain of obesity risk factors, hormone therapy, and the intricate relationship between thyroid function, insulin resistance, and aging on weight management. With Andy, we dissect the nuances between synthetic and natural hormone therapies, debunk myths surrounding hormone replacement therapy, and discuss the far-reaching benefits of progesterone. Drawing on knowledge shared at the A4M conference, we also recognize the vital roles of lifestyle choices such as meditation and hydration in nurturing optimal health. For anyone seeking to take the helm of their health journey, this episode serves as both a compass and a map, guiding you towards a healthier, more informed life.

To help you to navigate the home buying and mortgage process, Jonathan & Steve are currently licensed in Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Virginia, contact us today at 423-491-5405 or visit www.jonathanandsteve.com.

Speaker 1:

This is Benchmark Happenings, Brought to you by Jonathan and Steve from Benchmark Home Lounge. Northeast Tennessee, Johnson City, Kingsport, Bristol, the Tri-Cities One of the most beautiful places in the country to live. Tons of great things to do and awesome local businesses. And on this show you'll find out why people are dying to move to Northeast Tennessee and on the way we'll have discussions about mortgages and we'll interview people in the real estate industry. It's what we do. This is Benchmark Happenings, Brought to you by Benchmark Home Lounge. And now your host, Christine Reed.

Speaker 2:

Well, welcome back everybody to another episode, and today I am so excited to have Andy Rogers from Performance Medicine with us. Welcome, andy, thank you so much for having me oh top notch.

Speaker 2:

Oh we are. I'm so excited because I don't know Most people don't know this but I'm a nurse by trade and so healthcare and holistic treatment of patients is near and dear to my heart, and I'm actually a patient of yours, andy, and so you know I always like to bring people on here that you know what I know you, I know what you do, I know how you guys practice that performance medicine, and so I'm just proud to bring you on this show and to really highlight what you guys do and what makes you different from traditional medicine.

Speaker 3:

I love it, and I love talking about the subject too but also to be here in our own community where we grew up and we're lucky in East Tennessee that we get to do stuff like this I think it's an anomaly and it makes East Tennessee even more like a more special place to be.

Speaker 2:

It really is, and that's why birth this podcast of benchmark happenings. It's all the great things You're setting the benchmark right.

Speaker 3:

This is the podcast. You are setting the mark. That's right, that's right, yeah so thanks, andy.

Speaker 2:

And you know, performance medicine has been around for quite some time and your dad, dr Tom Rogers traditionally a family practice medicine, you know saw such a need to provide a different type of care for individuals.

Speaker 3:

Exactly so. So he started this company in 2007. Okay, so a little, I guess. We're going on nearly 17 years. We're almost hitting the 20 year mark which is really great.

Speaker 3:

This is right around the time that I was graduating from high school with your daughter, which is awesome, yes, yes. So around that time, um, it was kind of an epithetal change in his career because he went to a particular um conference that we're going to talk about a little bit later, oh yes, the A for M conference. A for M is the leader in anti-aging and preventative medicine and he went on to that conference on a whim. He just needed to go and it changed his life because he thought this is the way that we should be practicing medicine. Amen. He was very burnt out though he was, he worked his butt off. He worked, but he was burned out on the type of care. He would have seconds to be with a patient searching for codes on an EMR. He cannot type. God love him, but he can't type. So he's just, it's like I, I, I'm stuck being here on a computer when I want to be here with the patients.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

He has two kids, one of which is my mate with type one diabetes. My sister and I both have type one, and my grandparents had dementia and Alzheimer's. So we thought we're not, something is off here, we're not doing something right. And so he wanted to take away the middle man. He wanted to take away the insurance companies and work directly with patients to say what is the root cause of your symptoms right now and how do we get the best quality of your life, and not quantity.

Speaker 2:

Oh, absolutely, and and you know I say this all the time and it's so foreign to to other people who are practicing medicine.

Speaker 3:

So foreign it's not talk.

Speaker 2:

It's not talk, it's about prevention, and I have my own health history of autoimmune disease and how I overcame it through diet, lifestyle changes, exercise, healthy food. We're just not taught that. So and you really I love how you've explained how you differ from the others and you cut that middleman out, so you're really focusing on the patient. I know me, my personal experience. I can tell you that you and I sit down together. You know we go over everything my lab work and how am I doing, and it's just great. You just don't get that, that service. And where do you want to be?

Speaker 3:

I talk about that in the room a lot of what is a snapshot. This lab tells us a snapshot of where you are right now, with maybe particular symptoms.

Speaker 1:

That you have, where do we?

Speaker 3:

want to be? Where do we want to be in two weeks from now, five years from now, 10 years from now? What are our real goals? And we kind of get to tailor medicine, and medicine should be tailored. If anything I've learned from medicine is that it is not one size fits all, and we try that's what really what traditional medicine does to try to create standards of care to say that everyone in X situation needs Y or Z. Really you need A, b, a little bit of T. It's so specific to the patient.

Speaker 2:

It really is. We need time for it and people are so unique and different in how God created each of us Absolutely. But we're not a recipe, we're not an algorithm.

Speaker 3:

Oh no, and in fact, what we try to do, and even with the way that I try to, I lead our medical department and I'm thinking to future, not just with health, but what is the future of our business to, and how we optimize our providers and their health. Our big thing is that we all want to play in the same key. So if you're playing a song in the same key but you're playing your own song, that's where I feel like medicine can be. It's that it all sounds like together congruous, but you're you're still playing your own song.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. And medicine, it's beautiful and it's so rewarding and unfortunately, the systems that have been put in place have taken that, that desire and that love away from individuals. You're right, the system and so, andy, so how did you get started in functional integrative medicine? So I, I, I, totally I totally bypassed.

Speaker 3:

I cut the line. I did. I had one of those Disney passes, fast passes to the back.

Speaker 2:

Oh man, you're so lucky. I feel lucky, fast pass.

Speaker 3:

I got the fast pass and dad has really opened up that opportunity for me. So I I would say that I grew up with it, but it was really around high school that he opened up the functional medicine performance performance medicine, which is within functional. We call it integrative because of dad's history and family practice. We blend a lot of the things that come from traditional allopathic medicine through prescription pharmaceuticals the best of that world with holistic old school medicine listen to the patient and we just have an opportunity to blend. So I I went to PA school at Mercer, I did my undergrad at UT and did biochemistry and theater and didn't know.

Speaker 3:

I wanted to do the acting stuff First. I put myself in a car and moved to LA for three years.

Speaker 2:

I can see you doing that I love it, I still do it locally.

Speaker 3:

I do it in Jonesboro locally.

Speaker 2:

I open a show next week.

Speaker 3:

So tons of fun stuff.

Speaker 3:

Another great community for us is the theater community but in healing too, with art and theater. But I went to Mercer. I thought I wanted to do endocrinology and work with type one diabetes because of my personal history with it. And really it was a very serendipitous moment where dad needed a provider for the John city location. I happened to be in town before graduation and I asked a realtor at the time, who was a bartender, if there was a big, beautiful white house in the tree streets or what. I'd moved back and work here and she had the house ruined right now off with Taga. So it was. It was very divine intervention that I came back and started working with him.

Speaker 2:

Everything fell into place it was meant to be.

Speaker 3:

I probably would not have done it if it were not for that moment and dad got the house the next day. So I'm coming back and it's been the best decision, especially during the COVID pandemic. That was the best decision I could not have foreseen and I'm very, very lucky and I still get to treat a lot of diabetes too, without just being within the endocrinology route.

Speaker 2:

Yes, absolutely, cause so many people are diabetic.

Speaker 3:

So many people, oh, so many people.

Speaker 2:

So what do you think? Why are Americans struggling so much with their health? I mean, we are the most unhealthy nation in the world and the wealthiest and the wealthiest.

Speaker 3:

That's so crazy.

Speaker 2:

But the most obese, yes, so I know we could talk about this for days.

Speaker 3:

I'd say in a nutshell that that we've created an environment with our work, with our food sourcing and with our lifestyles that's not conducive to optimal health. I just went to Europe last summer and I'm on a continuous glucose monitor so I check my sugar every five minutes and, having type one, that's very common to do. My blood sugars were perfect in the UK Perfect and I ate not nearly what I would eat here. My skin felt great. Barely went over 160. If you're familiar with glucose numbers. I felt amazing.

Speaker 3:

As soon as I landed back in Atlanta my skin started itching. My sugars were in the two or three hundreds. I think a lot of it is that we're a very young country with not long histories of good food practices, that we are pretty much based on quantity, not quality. So I think a lot of our food sourcing they call it this low dose stress, this low dose heat that we need to put in time at the office so much we're built on time and not on taking time to relax, to rest, to enjoy, to have fun. And the American lifestyle is really what I think is contributing to the obesity epidemic, and a lot of it, I think, is our food sourcing.

Speaker 3:

I experience that difference. I have a lot of patients that go, that are from Europe. They'll go back to Spain, lose 20 pounds, drinking wine the entire time, and come back here and be on keto and gain weight. It's I think it's just a multifactorial combination, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Unfortunately it is unfortunate and it's like you try so hard to get that healthy food.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and it costs more and you really have to be on it here. You have to almost be strict when you're here in America if you're trying to avoid it. And the diabetes thing. A lot of it, too, deals with insulin resistance, Insulin response 90 to 100% of carbohydrates, which is why people will go on low carb diets, but the insulin molecule wants to store fat. So there's a lot of insulin resistance not necessarily with diabetes, which means that there's glucose dysregulation for listeners that are unfamiliar with it, so there's. Even though they're in the same pocket or in the same field, they have different thresholds for diagnosis and so all of it contributes to weight and not feeling good. When you're blood sugars in the 300s, you don't feel good. When you have a lot of insulin out, you feel very inflamed. So we almost have to make insulin work a lot better in this country and be very strict and work harder for less results. Is that?

Speaker 2:

not crazy. It is, it really is, and it just, and there's so many people who struggle with that and you often get dismissed.

Speaker 3:

How often in the room have you heard like just diet and exercise. That's your treatment plan. Is diet, exercise? Well, what do you want me to eat? How often do you want me to exercise? You want me to change my job, so do you?

Speaker 2:

think, and so let's talk about obesity.

Speaker 3:

Andy.

Speaker 2:

I really think you guys address it. More than you need to eat less, you need to exercise. So someone comes to you for nutritional counseling or help with their obesity. What are, what are the? What are the issues and the root causes that you're going to address, other than just giving them a script to Eat less exercise?

Speaker 3:

That's. That's a great question too. There's kind of three I put in this almost like triangle tripod, of the three most common risk factors for obesity that we see in this area Thyroid dysfunction or suboptimal thyroid function. You really you have to go in depth with the thyroid. Most often in traditional allopathic medicine You're testing a TSA to brain hormone talking to the thyroid and an inactive hormone called T4. That's it and you're free, lucky. You get those two a lot. Just take TSH, which is variable Then. But you can go in depth and say are you converting from T4 into T3, active thyroid? Is there Hashimoto's and antibodies? Do you have a perfect reverse T3 to T3 ratio? You can get in depth and if it's not perfect and the patient has symptoms, treat it.

Speaker 3:

99 times out of 100 they feel better. And to a lot of the times, to the number one thing. I'll tell you before I continue that, yes, the one thing dad told me to do before going into the room, before I ever started practicing. You walked me and he said the number one thing. Number one thing is listen to your patients. He says that's what my granddad was. He was a surgeon and he was a very thorough surgeon. He told my dad that before practicing. Dad told me that before practice, listen to your patient because he said 99 times out of 100 they're right and they know what's wrong with them. And do what they say. He says you'll be fooled. The ones are twice, but 99 times out of 100 they know what's wrong with them. It's so often we don't. We think we know better than the patient. It's not true.

Speaker 2:

It is it isn't.

Speaker 3:

And the second thing is do something. Do something, if it is really diet and exercise or not any sort of like traditional medication. Explain why and give them a plant, do something. So that's the same thing with weight, that we do something. I tell people with. Everybody talks about ozympic and Mount Jaro, these new GLP ones and GIPs that help people lose weight but are indicated for diabetes, because they're in that same realm and some resistance and diabetes.

Speaker 3:

It works. A lot of it is, I tell people, I'm just pushing you down the hill and getting you a sled. Now how far that side goes depends on what you do to at home, but this is at least something to get you down the hill. Let's get moving in the right direction, the direction you want to move, but but rolling out thyroid thoroughly. Looking at insulin resistance and not just glucose in a 1c. Looking at intact insulin, see peptide. How active is your insulin? I have seen a 1c be perfect Opposite of diabetes, like golden, and insulin be through the roof and this poor patient was 200 pounds over To probably two to 300 pounds over where she should have been and no one would do anything for her because she didn't have diabetes. So, looking at insulin resistance. And then to the third is looking at your hormones and the aging population. We don't like to say old, old, that's not a thing, there's no aging. The wise population, yes, wise well preserved.

Speaker 3:

I like to call it like a fine bottle of wine 100% that tastes so much richer that that the age. When we age and we lose those vital sex hormones testosterone, estrogen, progesterone Weight just tends to pile on. Estrogen redistributes fat, so when estrogen is high, a lot of people think estrogen dominance is weight gain. But really estrogen in the right quantity, or or a ratio to progesterone, is where you find the right weight balance and testosterone for men and for women too.

Speaker 3:

Yes, testosterone Hates fat, loves muscle and so really addressing that and being willing to go into the hormone segment, that's a huge part of the three that I'd like to say. At least rule these three out, see where your lifestyle is and let's push it down the hill. Let's give you a slide and let's start moving in the direction so that you feel what weight loss actually feels like and you feel better.

Speaker 2:

It affects your mood, your attitude, and you know we're looking at people holistically, you know mentally, you know Psychologically not only physically but spiritually what's going on and addressing all those things. And so if we can get them, like you said, honestly to going down the hill, then things are gonna start happening as they see. Hey, there's some changes I can actually do this.

Speaker 3:

When you see it come off, in the first couple weeks You're like I can't. This is actually something is working and when it does thing that I love and I Stress with each of our providers and part of our training and onboarding is that come back to the main road. I tell patients that we are your passenger, you're the driver. I can tell you the exits we can take. Let's try them out and then come back to the main road if it doesn't work for you.

Speaker 3:

And let's try another one do something people get discouraged if a zip, it didn't work for you.

Speaker 2:

Try something else. There's all kinds of things and. I love the fact that you mentioned hormone therapy. We love oh, we're gonna talk about hormones and because there are so many myths around hormones and I love your your dance podcast common sense MD.

Speaker 1:

Yes, please podcast.

Speaker 2:

I encourage everyone out there to listen to it. It's, it's great. I can't wait till the next episode comes out. I've learned so much. But hormone therapy we have a generation of women who have been underserved Because of some crazy study that came out, and so let's kind of dispel some of the myths about hormone therapy. And what's the difference between the synthetic and natural hormones? Big difference, right? Huge difference.

Speaker 3:

This is like. This is the cusp, and I feel like if we were to say anything that performance medicine does. We're really primary hormone replacement therapy. That's our bread and butter. We know it well, we study it all the time. Thank you for mentioning Dad's podcast, Common Sense MD.

Speaker 2:

I love it, he's so proud of it too.

Speaker 3:

He should be, he's proud of it, but it makes us stay on our toes If your medical provider is not continually staying up today on medicine and trying alternative stuff and reading. He reads a book every two days, so keeping up with him is impossible, but he makes it in these. I'm very proud. Yes, please, listeners, listen to that podcast too.

Speaker 2:

It is great, and I'm a patient being a patient at performance and, andy, you take care of me. I'm on hormone replacement therapy, yes, and it has made a huge difference in not only my overall health but my weight loss, my muscle tone, gaining muscle. So, anyway, let's talk about that. Sure I think people need to really be educated and not be afraid of hormones.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely. I think hormones need to be done well, so you need to go to a provider that knows what they're doing. The general difference between synthetic and the natural, or what we would call bio-identical synthetic means that it's man-made so that they've added something to a natural compound. That way you can actually market it and sell it. So that's what gets into studies is that you can't A drug company can't own progesterone because progesterone's already made, but they can own progestin because it's synthetic and they made it and can market it and indicate it for a use.

Speaker 3:

So what happens? So, in the bio-identical means, made from plants to look like what you naturally make. So progesterone, estrogen, they're made from yams.

Speaker 2:

So much better for you.

Speaker 3:

And it's what you're missing or can supplement. So I always tell patients, especially women, because the big risk that people talk about is cancers breast cancers, endometrial, uterine cancer. I tell them we're not putting back anything into your body that you haven't made your entire life. We're putting the same thing back. There's a risk that if something that is in your body just happens to love estrogen and we put more estrogen in it can make that grow because it's feeding off of it. But staying up to date on mammograms, thermograms, routine visits from diagnostics for cancer screening this is a good thing. But the bio-identicals had not been shown to have the breast cancer risk that the synthetic hormones have. The study you mentioned is called Women's Health Initiative. It's done over 10 years with 10,000 patients. They found the literal risk is eight more cases per 10,000 women of breast cancer and stroke PE and the headline from that was hormones cause cancer. That's all it was.

Speaker 2:

There was no end-up study of it and it's so misleading. It's so misleading, it's scary.

Speaker 3:

Yes, so hormones were very commonly done prior to this and then I believe it was from 2002 to 2012 that this was, or it either ended in 2002. They took everyone of a hormones and the way it's taught. So I came out of PA school in 2019. There's one slide on menopause and I love my PA school. It was an amazing school. I still do adjunct lecturing there, but traditional medicine. One slide on menopause and how important is menopause to women.

Speaker 2:

It's the most important thing.

Speaker 3:

The change. We get one slide and the suggestions too. Looking at it from a, I would say this is not traditional, but I feel like it should be the standard of care If there's a hysterectomy on a slide and within the ACOG recommendations for hormone replacement therapy. Do not give progesterone if there's no uterus, because that's the primary target. But your progesterone is your immune system.

Speaker 3:

It's your mood. There's receptors for progesterone all over your body, not just the uterus, even though it's a primary target. So the standard of care absolutely to services women as well, but that so the eight more cases per 10,000, is the breast cancer risk. It was really the synthetic progesterone Progestin that they're saying was the causative agents. Or it may have been madroxy progesterone these hormones used for primarin and primpro those are the brand names. I remember those Pregnant, pregnant horse urine that's equine derived made from horse urine. So I mean that's, that's what it was and that was where we risk. And if you look at the study too, all the women felt better, they felt amazing and there was a decrease of recalculation cancer, but no headline for that.

Speaker 3:

No no headline. So so when we use this and replace this, we really a lot of it's based on feel and and to continual evidence that we get from conferences that come from this guy. We really, if you have any interest, a4mcom and any of their stuff in there is really the most up to date and and that's that's the juice of integrative medicine.

Speaker 2:

So you recently went to that conference Kid in a candy store.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I bet you would love.

Speaker 2:

You would love it, I would because this, just this, excites me so much. So tell us about that conference, andy, and some of the things that you took away from that that you can share.

Speaker 3:

Sure so. So this conference is done two or three times a year, usually either in Florida twice a year and then in Vegas in December. Vegas is their kind of flagship one, and it's actually done internationally as well. Governing bodies, a4m, and they have speakers from all over the world come with different. This one was on specifically longevity and blue zones, and the blue zones are where there's five pockets around the world where people live the longest, and so everybody says blue zones. You drink wine and have a Mediterranean diets and exercises. It's it.

Speaker 3:

We had the original guy that created that termed blue zone speak at this conference, which is amazing. Dr Oz was the key note and he talked. He's has a very integrative approach to cardiology and talked a lot about what the really good markers were for heart health as not really cholesterol. Everybody talks about cholesterol, and so this conference there's a lecture series and then an exhibit booth to where it's an airplane hanger full of the newest of new of everyone should be on this probiotic or everyone needs red light therapy. Really, what I like to think about the fun part about that was there's all these things that are there for you to purchase for your office or to implement with patients. And then there's this one little, one little booth with nothing in it and this woman's like you can buy everything here, but if you don't take your shoes and socks off and meditate and drink water, none of this matters. I was like she knows what she's doing too.

Speaker 1:

So there's, it's, very widespread.

Speaker 3:

It's a Thai Buddhist.

Speaker 3:

She was our third keynote speaker and talked a lot about spiritual health too, which I'm glad you brought up spirit. I cannot tell you that if you Do not change your mindset towards what your goals are with health, you can create your sickness. I had one patient I initially started with. Every time I saw him I'm a little old fat man, I'm a little old fat man, I'm a little. Ever any repeated it and then self-fulfilled prophecy, until you change into now completely different guy and it's and I'd like to say them that our interventions, it's helped some, but a lot of it is his mindset towards it. And so spirituality and mindset, I think, is a huge, huge component. And that's a blue zone thing too. Most of them have some sort of religious aspect to it as well, because it brings them in the community and gets them involved with their spirits.

Speaker 2:

So where are some of these blue zones?

Speaker 3:

There's a Japan's one, there's one in Italy, and then there's one. Costa Rica is another one, and the big one in the United States is La Melinda, california. That's a Seventh Day Adventist community.

Speaker 2:

Okay. Well, my husband and I are going to Italy for two weeks, september the 29th. We've never been so. I'm so excited we're going to come back looking so good, amazing.

Speaker 3:

Amazing too, you're gonna. Oh, the wine won't make your head hurt. Oh, it's great. I say like I know that, but my sister just went and said it was amazing.

Speaker 2:

I can't wait. So I'm excited, amazing and so some of those things you talked about. I'd listened to a podcast that junior dad had done together and you talked about methylene blue and low dose naltoxone and my goodness the best.

Speaker 3:

And you would never get a slide on that in school. What I remember from methylene blue, from testing, from a board certification, is the treatment for carbon monoxide poisoning. But methylene blue has been my favorite addition to anything and any patient that's been with me recently. That's all I talk about right now, because I immediately felt a difference from taking it. Methylene blue is and is synthetic. It's not a naturally made compound. But it was made to dye blue jeans and they discovered this in the 1800s where they were looking on a microscope on the gene and found that it was killing viruses and bacteria. So they started using it to stain bacteria to view it on a microscope, to study. Then they started using it in the hospital and it was curing people, so in the yard. So if you don't know what to do, use methylene blue is kind of their phrasing, and so it was. Really became the predominant treatment for carbon monoxide, but it treated malaria before hydroxychloroquine did, and they. What I use it for is mitochondrial health when you're thinking about longevity and aging.

Speaker 3:

Your cells have a cell senescence, so the cell aging how you keep the cell going is the factory of the energy producing factory of the cell, which is the mitochondria and has this little parts with the electron transport chain. This biochemistry thing, methylene blue, flushes all of it out to make it the mitochondria work better.

Speaker 2:

That's a kind of simple way to look at it, but it's the powerhouse of the cell, is the mitochondria.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and the cell, and that is part of aging, that is aging, so that that is a great modality if you're looking at anything Vial treatments, bacterial infections, fungal infections but you can also do it for Alzheimer's reversal and prevention too, because it oxygenates the brain.

Speaker 2:

Oh my god, it's amazing addition, lodos notrexone.

Speaker 3:

I use a lot for autoimmunity because it works against interleukins. It's an anti-inflammatory they call a lot of integrative docs call aging inflamaging. We've aged as fast as we are inflamed and Lodos notrexone can help reduce some of that through this process called interleukins. It decreases interleukins. What I like about these treatment modalities is that it's very little risk to the patient.

Speaker 1:

Anything where you have very little risk or you know.

Speaker 3:

I think it's so important for your medical provider to say what, what can I expect from this and what risk am I willing to take for this benefit Same thing with hormones and to say that I'm ready to jump in and take this choice. If a patient makes that decision, they do so much better than someone making the decision for them.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and I love the fact that there's little risk and there's so many prescription medications out there and vaccines and things that, oh, we're taking such a risk because we don't know, there's not enough research out there and we're told that this is this, is it Everyone?

Speaker 3:

whenever I always kind of red flag question when it is a blanket statement for everyone everyone needs the flu vaccine, everyone. Have you not had it that you need your flu vaccine? Oh, it's like I always red flag when it's for everyone, because I think there's very little in medicine that is for everyone. So the blanket statements, especially without really explaining risk benefit, I think I don't think is a good thing.

Speaker 2:

I agree. I agree with you so much. So, Andy, this has just been. We could just go on and on.

Speaker 3:

I feel like I just kept talking. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

We could do a podcast on methylene blue low-dose, no trucks hormones, weights but performance medicine everyone. Andy Rogers, and what a pleasure to have you on today.

Speaker 3:

This is a wonderful podcast into the fact that you're creating and investing in this community is so big that you're going to live forever.

Speaker 2:

That's part of longevity. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Andy.

Speaker 1:

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