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Unveiling the Power of Functional Integrative Medicine with Dr. Tom Rogers

Jonathan Tipton, Steve Reed & Christine Reed Episode 25

Embarking on a transformative health journey can be bewildering, but Dr. Tom Rogers of Performance Medicine charts a course that's as revolutionary as it is enlightening. With his own family's health challenges as the catalyst, he takes us through his evolution from a traditional family physician to a trailblazer in functional integrative medicine—where patient care transcends mere symptom treatment. Our discussion opens up a world where chronic diseases are not just managed but potentially reversed through a deep understanding of nutrition, lifestyle, and the root causes of illness.

As the narrative unfolds, Dr. Rogers peels back the layers on the modern healthcare conundrum, revealing how gut health intricately ties to autoimmune diseases and the American diet’s unsavory role in our wellbeing. The talk takes a candid turn when addressing the food industry's influence on our health and the stark contrast between American and European eating experiences. When it comes to COVID-19, Dr. Rogers does not shy away from the hard truths, stressing the power of early treatment and the dire need for transparent communication in these unprecedented times.

Closing the conversation, the spotlight shifts to a topic often shrouded in controversy—hormone replacement therapy. Dr. Rogers puts facts over fiction, clarifying the benefits of bioidentical hormones over their synthetic counterparts and the substantial role they play during menopause and andropause. It's not just about balancing hormones; it's about restoring vitality and preventing age-related diseases. We also touch upon the systemic challenges in healthcare that impact both patients and providers, from navigating insurance pressures to addressing physician burnout, all while emphasizing the art of empathy and active listening in the doctor-patient relationship.

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Speaker 1:

This is Benchmark Happenings, brought to you by Jonathan and Steve from Benchmark Home Loans. Northeast Tennessee, johnson City, kingsport, bristol, the Tri-Cities one of the most beautiful places in the country to live. Tons of great things to do and awesome local businesses. And on this show you'll find out why people are dying to move to Northeast Tennessee. And on the way we'll have discussions about mortgages and we'll interview people in the real estate industry. It's what we do. This is Benchmark Happenings, brought to you by Benchmark Home Loans and now your host, christine Reed.

Speaker 2:

Well, welcome back everybody, and we are just so excited today I have a very special guest, dr Tom Rogers, welcome.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, christine, great to be here.

Speaker 2:

So I tell you I'm so excited. I love entrepreneurs and my husband's an entrepreneur, and so, dr Rogers, you are the founder and the owner of Performance Medicine.

Speaker 3:

Correct, correct.

Speaker 2:

And so I know you have several locations, so I really want us to dive into that today to talk about. You know what you're doing. I'm also a patient of Performance Medicine. I love it and it has definitely made a difference for me. So why don't you just kind of tell us a little bit about Dr Rogers? How did you get started in this and what changed to functional integrative medicine?

Speaker 3:

First of all, I'll tell you I feel like I'm on Joe Rogan with this great setup, although you're a hundred thousand times better looking than Joe Rogan. But anyway, thank you so much, Christine, Nice to be here.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

You know I've been a family doctor for 38 years. We come from a medical family. My father was a surgeon, my brother's a surgeon, my cousins and uncles, so I grew up in a medical family, so I know a lot about medicine. You know I chose to be a family doctor because I like talking to people and helping solve problems. I used to assist my dad in surgery all the time and I just didn't have the patience to stand there over an abdomen for eight hours. So I just I hit the right specialty for myself. But yeah, I mean I practiced a long time and really I became quite frustrated with the medical industry, the way it was going. When I first started practicing 38 years ago, you know I did hospital work. I had my clinic. I practiced in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, for 15 years before I moved back to my hometown of Kingsport, but so I had a lot of experience with doing a little everything doing hospital work, making call, just really doing everything that a family doctor used to do. They don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2:

No, they don't.

Speaker 3:

So the way you're a nurse, so you can have seen this evolve, how our medical system and one way we're way better because we have all these procedures that are great. You can even operate on a baby's heart in utero.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

But yet here as a country we rank 33 in mortality rates in the world. I mean, there's third world countries that are way better off than we are. So as my practice evolved and there's one defining moment when I knew that I wasn't doing the right thing because really I turned into a, just write the prescription I was seeing 40 to 50 patients a day.

Speaker 2:

That's a lot.

Speaker 3:

I was having to type in this stuff on a stupid computer and finding a code for it and I had about seven minutes to spend with each patient. So it was really bad medicine. You know, I thought I was doing a good job but really in reality I wasn't. I was just writing prescriptions. My patients weren't changing. They were still overweight, tired, they hurt. So two of my children came down with type one diabetes and I realized I didn't know anything about nutrition. And I happened to be at a conference in Las Vegas which was an integrated functional medicine conference. I didn't even know that was what it was. I went to have a fun time on the strip and that was the week I had off. It just happened to be a functional medicine conference that I wanted to get credit for and go have fun.

Speaker 3:

And it was life changing. Life changing because the first lecture was so fascinating I realized there's a better way to practice medicine. There's a lot better class of doctors out there, that actually you're trying to get to the root cause of the problem, not just write another prescription for what we're told to write. So I learned nutrition, I learned hormones, I learned preventive medicine and now I mean I've been doing this for 18 years on my own and everybody thought I was nuts because I decided there were three things I didn't like about medicine. Number one was insurance companies. I do not like dealing with insurance companies.

Speaker 2:

All they care about is the money. I don't think anybody does. That's exactly right. They have not improved our healthcare industry.

Speaker 3:

They've ruined it really. They're the number one bad boy on the list of three. And then I didn't like doing the EMR Electronic Medical Records because half my time was spent trying to figure out codes on this computer document and I'll tell you a funny story about that in a minute, but I guess I'll tell it. And the third thing I didn't like was non-medical bosses telling me what to do. I should be the one making the decisions on what tests to run, how many patients, to see how long I have with my patients. And so I got rid of all those things, hung my own shingle out. Everybody thought I was nuts, including my own family. You'll never make it not taking insurance. But really it was just perfect timing because at the time all the deductibles went high and people started realizing maybe less expensive to see him than in the end and beat my deductible. And I have no incentive to run up the bill or charge more based on a code.

Speaker 3:

It's very transparent. You get what you see. And really three things happened. Number one I had to become a better doctor. I have been. I mean, I'm just a way better doctor than I did. I have more time. I researched things.

Speaker 2:

I have to be better. Yes, and that's the sad part, is a lot of physicians don't have that time to stay up to date.

Speaker 3:

It's not the physicians fault.

Speaker 2:

It's the system? No, it's not.

Speaker 3:

So I had to become a better doctor and the second thing that happened was I got better patients. I mean, nobody comes to me that doesn't want my help, so I get patients that really want to get help. I don't have any interest in people that just want another pill for their depression or their pain. I don't see that kind of patient. The third thing was I became much happier.

Speaker 1:

And.

Speaker 3:

I'm 69 years old, I'll never retire. I love what I do, and so every other doctor I know is looking. They want to get out of it.

Speaker 2:

They want to get out, they want to retire early, do something else. And you know I love what you said, that you don't want to retire. You love what you do, and to me I think that's so important. As we get older and my husband and I are the same way we both love what we do, we love to work, we love being with people, and the thoughts of retiring is like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3:

I'm with you, it's just. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2:

It's not for me, it's not for us, but so when you talk about your patients. So what would be your idea type of patients who comes to performance medicine?

Speaker 3:

I love to see the new patients that are struggling with issues that haven't been able to be resolved with their doctor. You know, when you have time to really start figuring it out, you can really get to the base of the problem, and doctors are just not doing that. They're really not. So I really look a lot at nutrition. I love. I love somebody that comes to me that struggle with their weight their whole life. Really, the original thing I did was I want to get people leaner than they are. That way I can get them off the medicines for their blood pressure, their diabetes, their hyperlipidemia, their cholesterol that I had put them on. I want them off that. I don't want them to have to take a bunch of medicines. So I like the people that struggle with their weight because truly is a metabolic problem.

Speaker 3:

It's not their fault. They made the wrong things. But it's a metabolism problem and people are starting to realize this now, now that we have these new ozympic type medicines out there. But I also like seeing people that are aging a little bit, that go into menopause or andropause. You know I'm kind of known as the hormone expert around this area and so I really take a deep dive in them. I got board certified in this 15 years ago, so I really do a lot of work with hormonal analysis not just low testosterone or estrogen, menopause stuff, but thyroid adrenals, insulin resistance, low vitamin level. So I run a lot. I have some great tests that I run and I kind of take it to a little different level because I want people to live longer but healthier.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and really you are addressing root cause.

Speaker 3:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And I think, our whole entire medical community. We've treated symptoms and nobody's addressing root cause. Unless you are that person who is, you have to be your own advocate for your healthcare. You can't just depend on someone to take care of your health. You have to be responsible and do that and I love what you're doing getting to the root cause and helping truly helping people to live healthier lives and to feel better.

Speaker 3:

That's right. You know the root cause of a lot of this autoimmune things that we see are related to your gut. 80% of your immune system is located in your gut, your intestines, and people really don't realize that. You know that they get a lot of. Of course, we eat a lot of bad foods. I mean in America. Our number one problem, health wise in this country, is obesity.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

Number two problem is drug use, either by prescription or illicit. It's our. It's a major problem for this country.

Speaker 2:

It really is.

Speaker 3:

You know, half of our kids nowadays are obese and half of them deal with a chronic illness. That's just kind of sad. When I grew up back in the 60s. You just didn't see this stuff. You didn't, you know, you didn't see any of this stuff. Diabetes, all the anxiety that these kids have, the ADD I see a lot of that. But so it's a different world we live in. It's more stressful, it's more toxic and people are not getting healthier. They're not.

Speaker 2:

And I find it so amazing that how America, the wealthiest nation in the world, that we are the unhealthiest, and I just don't understand why our food supply is so bad versus other countries. Why are we putting all these things into the food?

Speaker 3:

I think the food industry's kind of they've kind of paid it off. I mean, for example, the cereal companies pay the American Heart Association millions of dollars to put that label American Heart Association approved. I mean a cereal which is there's no good cereal, point blank. There are no good cereals, it's just all grains. And we've even fed a lot of lies about what's nutrition from what isn't Correct. I mean even our nutritionists and dieticians a lot of them are trained from 30 years ago. They don't realize that all this insulin-resistant stuff.

Speaker 3:

You know, like I said, I have two diabetic kids, type one. Both of them went to Europe last summer on different trips One went to Italy, one went to England and they basically ate whatever they wanted. Andy's rash went away. He has eczema. He'll tell you that because their food doesn't have the toxins that we have. I mean they don't allow some of the stuff over there that they do here. So we need to really get on our government and clean up some of the stuff. Unfortunately, you know, it seems like money is the root cause of a lot of our medical problems in this country. I really think a lot of it's kind of bought off, to be honest with you.

Speaker 2:

And I'd say you're right, because we know the. You know the political system is not for the people anymore like it used to. So we have a lot of issues there, you saw that during COVID?

Speaker 3:

I think yes, Major mistrust.

Speaker 2:

Yes, but I think it woke some people up. It really did. It boomed our practice.

Speaker 3:

I mean we treated so many COVID patients I mean 10, 15,000 COVID patients when nobody else is treating it because they said there was nothing to do except if you get worse, ago to the hospital and get on a ventilator there were ways to treat this early and we did. I promise you, we saved lives.

Speaker 2:

Yes, you did, and I think about Dr Sibley too and the work that she did. God bless her. She's amazing. She is amazing for standing up, amazing.

Speaker 3:

She, you know, she hosted this forum for the Children's Health Network a few weeks ago, which. I was involved in and it was an amazing conference. We had internal medicine. She's an internist we had pathologist, her husband, we had a nature path, we had a cardiologist, a pulmonologist, an OBGYN and me family doctor and we all talked about COVID and it probably would have been censored if it had gotten on the mainstream media. But it was absolutely the truth about what went on.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes.

Speaker 3:

You know, as you know, I do a weekly podcast. I've been censored several times, kicked off the platforms because I mean you can't even mention certain words.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and you do. You get kicked off. It's just, it's crazy. And I failed to mention that. Dr Rogers has the Common Sense MD podcast weekly podcast, and I listened to it and I hope that you that are listening here today will like and subscribe to that podcast. It's so educational and I love all the everything we're talking about. You have a. You've talked about that, so please listen to that. It's great. So let's talk a little bit about more, about performance medicine and so where, where are your locations and how can people come to see you and to see your colleagues that are working at performance?

Speaker 3:

We have six locations. We have one, we have two in Kingsport, one in Johnson City, one in Bristol. We have two in Knoxville. I've got a great staff. I've got a great staff. We have, I think, about 48 employees and if you go to performancemedicinenet you can see what all we do. I mean we do primary care, we do some urgent care stuff. We our expertise is really in hormonal evaluations, A lot of work with nutrition and work a lot with obesity. We see quite a bit of adult ADD. We see longevity my passion is really longevity.

Speaker 3:

How to how to live a longer health span, which is a period of life when you feel great because people just are not aging very well.

Speaker 2:

No, no, and that was one of the things when, years ago, I was diagnosed with a rare autoimmune disease IgA vasculitis and I was immediately determined that I was not going to be a chronically ill patient because, being a nurse, I had seen these sick patients come into the ER carrying a bag full of prescription medications. They don't even know what they're taking You're just writing this stuff down and they just looked terrible, they felt terrible, no quality of life. And when I started going down that path, I tell you I got real. I got very busy, dr Rogers and I had to seek out my own treatment and of course, I'm in remission now, praise God and change life.

Speaker 2:

It was all about changing my lifestyle. I started eating healthy, lost 50 pounds, didn't drink any alcohol and completely changed. I have. I'm on zero medications.

Speaker 3:

I love that.

Speaker 2:

I love it.

Speaker 3:

And that's possible. People don't think that's possible, but it certainly is. I mean again, like I said, a lot of that autoimmune stuff starts in your gut. You don't realize the toxic things you're eating is getting in your bloodstream from your gut. We call it leaky gut.

Speaker 3:

And a lot of people say well, I just have IBS or spastic colon. What you have is a leaky gut and those toxins that you're eating are getting into your bloodstream. They're setting off an inflammatory response that can lead to everything from even things like fibromyalgia, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, sclerodermis I mean all these autoimmune diseases Hashimoto's thyroiditis, which is so common. We see it in about one of every four women, so um and all these are treatable Very treatable, that's what's amazing and and that's what I love about what you're doing at performance medicine.

Speaker 2:

It's getting to that root cause. Um, you have to work at it. You know it's. It's not just here's this prescription, like what we're used to, but you have to have it, be accountable and put some work into your health. So one of the things I wanted to ask you because I do the hormone replacement, um, do the pellets, I love them and it's just um made a big difference for me why is it that so many physicians just don't know anything about hormone replacement there?

Speaker 2:

And they don't help women with this and they just tell you you don't need hormones or let me tell you something about doctors.

Speaker 3:

Being a doctor myself and coming from a family of doctors and you've been around many doctors- working as a an. Rn for many years, but number one doctors can be a little bit arrogant and when they don't know about something they kind of poo poo it.

Speaker 1:

Have you noticed that?

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

When they don't know. So they think they know everything which they don't, and really so they tend to discount it or practice from 20, 30 years ago what they learned in medical school, now a residency, but really with hormone, they, they, they're not taught that you don't have a drug rep coming to your office telling you about pellets.

Speaker 3:

I mean this stuff is so um intricate, and so you have to have a lot of knowledge and a lot of experience with it. So everybody got turned off of hormones about 13 years ago, when the women's health initiative came out and they said well, these female hormones are going to cause breast cancer.

Speaker 3:

I remember that and that was a totally bogus study. Actually, it wasn't even a hormonal study as a cardiovascular study, but in that study they came out with a blanket statement Hormones cause breast cancer. Here's here's, a couple of caveats to that Number one they were using primarin and primpro, which come from pregnant horse urine, and we we use bio identical hormones that come from plants that are identical to what you put out before you got into menopause.

Speaker 2:

Much better way safer.

Speaker 3:

What God intended, exactly right. But in anyway, in that study that they came out and said that even in the, in the primarin only arm of the study, when they were just using primarin, that was less breast cancer and the women that use nothing and the went, the culprit was the primpro, where they use a particularly bad form of progesterone called the droxy progesterone.

Speaker 3:

So, when they use primpro. The incidence of breast cancer went from four women per thousand to five women per thousand and they called that a 25% increase in breast cancer with hormones. So, very misleading, cut a whole generation of women out of the amazing effects of hormonal therapy. The way I, when people ask me, do I need hormones, and I go. There's a couple of things we know. Number one when your hormones decline, when you go into menopause or andropause, you decline in every way.

Speaker 3:

It's like nature saying to you you're finished reproducing, start dying. We weren't meant to live this long, so we're living a long time. So if you don't live the last third or half your life without hormones, you're going to get brittle. Why do you think women get osteoporosis? Because they don't have estrogen anymore? Why do you think they get Alzheimer's four times more often than men because they're missing their estrogen? Why do women not have heart attacks before age 50 like men do? Because they've got that protective estrogen for their hearts. So, doctors, it's not their fault, they're just not taught it and they're skeptical. So it's kind of sad, but it is available for people that study it and again, again I did a fellowship in this I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2:

It's a big difference and I think a lot of physicians, like you said, it's not their fault, but it's, it's the practice they're under by the insurance companies. So it's you know, that could be a whole other podcast that we could really sorry for doctors I do too.

Speaker 3:

I mean not only are they under tremendous debt $300,000 debt so they've got to make some money to make up for that. They get in these systems. They're hired by hospital or huge groups and they they have to practice under that thumb. It's almost like a rat on a treadmill and it's just hampers them. That's why they don't enjoy it.

Speaker 2:

And they burn out quickly, they burn out quickly and it's a sad situation.

Speaker 3:

I'm not saying you know, we have the most advanced medical system in the world and yet, especially for primary care and these issues we've talked about, the care is very poor.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it is. And, like I said earlier, if you're not an advocate and understand what's going on in your body and advocate for yourself, then you're you know you're going to fall into that system, fall through the cracks and just take whatever you're prescribed, and that's just not for me personally. That's never an answer. It's a solution for me.

Speaker 3:

You have to take your own health control. This is your body, it's your decision.

Speaker 1:

As a physician.

Speaker 3:

I'm there to help you along with that decision. It's a mutual thing that doctors and patients should be working together on. Unfortunately, some doctors will. They'll say this is what you do and that's the way you're going to do it.

Speaker 3:

I mean I had so many people during the pandemic come to me and their doctor wouldn't even see them in their office, since, unless they had a vaccine, if that patient didn't want to take a vaccine, that's their right. That is, you know. But the doctor wouldn't even see. As a matter of fact, some of them kicked people out of their practice because they wouldn't get a vaccine, and that's just wrong to me. This is your own decision.

Speaker 2:

People were fired from their places of employment that refused to get a vaccine. I've got a whole story I can tell you about that sometime about the vaccine.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I could go at length and that's why I get kicked off YouTube Because I speak my mind. One thing my dad told me. My dad was a really marvelous surgeon and physician and kind person, and he told me a few things that always stick with me. Number one listen to your patient. They're going to tell you what's wrong with them. Yes, and he also said the older you get, the more honest you're going to be with people and yourself. That's certainly true. I don't mind telling a person you know I think this is your decision and let's, let's just work together on this, but I'm not going to tell them they have to do this.

Speaker 3:

You know, you have to have empathy, you have to have words of comfort and that goes a long way along with prayer and and you know, so we try to bring. Really I'm almost a blend between traditional and holistic, in a way.

Speaker 2:

You're treating the whole person because it's it's like as nurses, you know, we, we talk about holistic health and if the psychological aspect is suffering, the whole body is going to suffer, you know, or if you have something physical going on, so really it's the whole person, it's not just a heart or the lungs or the brain, it's, it's everything that beautiful that God created us as human beings.

Speaker 3:

A lot of times I'll have somebody that comes in to see me and because I get to spend a lot of time with them and they have a long new list of diseases they have.

Speaker 2:

You mean, you're not five minutes. No, no, no. So you get to sit and actually spend time and have conversations with your patients.

Speaker 3:

I'm in no hurry, yes, but a lot of times I'll have people that come to see me from long, long distances but and they have a list of chronic illnesses and multiple medications. And then, because I try to get to root cause of the problem, A lot of times it's their gut, but a lot of times it's their emotional health.

Speaker 3:

That a lot of times childhood trauma. It kicks off all this stuff and sometimes you'll get to the bottom of it and then I'll I know where to send them. Yes, sometimes they need, you know, help beyond what I can give them as far as psychologically, because stress, especially trauma in lives, bring on illness. There's no doubt.

Speaker 2:

They really do and and it's just so refreshing to just hear you know how you truly care about people and everyone in your practice cares about people and truly wants to help. And one thing I'm excited about that you recently done is your line of vitamins, because my mother is 90 years old, be 91. She's taken vitamins all her life and she still drives, she still lives alone and she's not taking yours yet, but she's always taken lots of vitamins. And so tell us about your line of vitamins and how it's different. We got just a few minutes different from what you know we can pick up at the Sam's one a day.

Speaker 3:

Well, you know, 25 years ago, when I had a patient that would come see me, that was all all these violence. I thought they were nuts. I'd tell them you're wasting your money, you're just peeing those violence out. I couldn't have been more wrong.

Speaker 2:

I remember, I remember doctors telling me that you know.

Speaker 3:

But you were smart and that's probably why your mom's 91 and doing well. I considered vitamins part of your nutritional what you intake. You just can't eat enough vegetables to our grass fed meat to really get everything you need, so I ended up starting I take a lot of vitamins and I found myself taking a lot of vitamins and what I realized was I wanted to combine some of these and so I didn't have to take so many different pills One day.

Speaker 2:

Thank you for that.

Speaker 3:

So I found a company in Oregon that makes my vitamins for me, whatever I want to put in them. So my vitamins are potent. There are no artificial ingredients, that there's no fillers in them and they're dated and they're domestically sourced. They're not coming from China or India. They're checked three times and I'm able to put these combinations in there. They're just amazing. I mean, if you get my multi, you're getting about everything you need. You're getting 5,000 of D with K. You have to have K in there.

Speaker 3:

You're getting methylated B complex. Most of them are not methylated and if you're not a methylator which half of us aren't that vitamin, that B-vim, is not doing you any good. So I put all these things in my super, but I have like 11 now. I've got an energy formula, stress formula. I've got my own magnesium that has the three types of magnesium I like, so there's it's pretty fun. I didn't think I'd end up making my own vitamins, but Things you just evolve into, what you evolve into.

Speaker 3:

Yes, well, I'm taking the energy complex and most people think that would just be coq 10, but it has coq 10, pqq and Torine in it, all in one pill. It's about the same price as you. You would get a coq 10 for. Mm-hmm what everybody thinks about is the energy vitamin right, right.

Speaker 2:

So that's awesome. I love that and and you know what you can feel good about taking those vitamins because they're sourced and they're pure and there's not all these Additives and things that we don't know when did that come from? So I'm more aware of looking at everything. If it comes from an India or China, red flags always go up.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, for me personally look at, look at, look at anything you eat or any supplement you take. Just read the ingredients and if it has a bunch of stuff you've never heard about with a chemical name that's 10 letters long, you got to start thinking about that because these things really reacting people's bodies.

Speaker 2:

They weren't meant to be in there, not meant to be in our bodies. That's right. Well, we're gonna wrap it up, dr Rogers, any last words you would like to share with our audience?

Speaker 3:

Just take care of your own health, you know. Seek out knowledge and Eat right. Exercise every day, get a good night's sleep, try to get stress out of your life that you don't need and, once you reach a certain age, check your hormones. Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:

Well, you look amazing and thank you so much for being here today. It was awesome to meet your lovely wife Jenny as well, and Dr Rogers performance medicine. Also. Remember common sense MD podcast and your son Ben has a podcast to Out of the box.

Speaker 3:

He has outside the box. Yes and he does a diabetic podcast. We also do a live Q&A Every Tuesday night from seven to eight, so if you get on our site you can join our Q&A session. We learn a lot from each other on that.

Speaker 2:

Yes, that's great.

Speaker 3:

It's a great. We have a bunch of good people on that show. And it's all live and they ask me anything they want, and I don't know it myself. I'm not sure about that one, but most of the time we we know what to say.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's great and it's so educational. I've learned so much, so I hope you'll come back. Definitely we've got more things to talk about. We do, we do and to help people and to get the message out about Taking control of your health so you can look better, feel better, live longer. I love the integrated functional medicine and Thank you again.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, christine, so much.

Speaker 1:

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