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Reclaiming Life Through Fitness: Aaron Grunke's Journey from Cancer Survivor to Founder of Survivor Fitness
Join us as we follow Aaron and his wife on their inspiring mission to empower survivors across Tennessee. Initially starting with one hesitant participant, their supportive fitness program blossomed into a 501c3 organization, now available at 19 locations, providing 24 personal training sessions over 12-14 weeks, completely free of charge. Learn how you can make a difference by supporting this transformative foundation through donations, participating in events like the Soiree and Rock the Row, or simply spreading the word. Aaron’s heartfelt words of encouragement remind us of the power of community and support, emphasizing the significant, positive impact their programs have on mental and physical health. Don’t miss Aaron’s incredible story and the chance to be part of this life-changing initiative—visit survivorfitness.org for more information and upcoming events.
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Well, welcome back everybody to another fabulous episode of Benchmark Happening. So it is my pleasure today to introduce Aaron Grunke, who is actually the founder of Survivor Fitness, which is a foundation for those who have survived cancer. So, aaron, thank you for being here.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Well. Thank you for having me. This is an exciting opportunity to be able to speak with you all and tell our story.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You know, as I was reading on the website and our daughter, brittany, is the one that introduced us was telling us all about your foundation, and we were just like and she was so excited. She said you have got to get Aaron on the podcast because we really have to share his story and the great things that you're doing for cancer survivors. So, aaron, let's just dive right into this. So you know, you were diagnosed with cancer at the age of 23. So share that journey with us and you know that just had to have been devastating at such a young age.
Speaker 2:Sure, you go from college student. I was about to start my senior year of college and literally two days before I heard the news that you have cancer. And those three words. They'll change anybody's life, but at such a young age. I was worried about getting back to campus to go out, go party with my friends, get ready for my final year and then all of a sudden I'm now a cancer fighter, you know, a cancer survivor, and worried about you know, surgery, coordinating that, worried about what was next and just really life changed.
Speaker 1:I mean, in an instant life can change next and just really life changed, I mean in an instant. Life can change, yes, and. And so, with that journey, um, what was your, what was some of your experiences that you learned? And and then let's talk about what compelled you to start, um, this survivor fitness foundation.
Speaker 2:Sure. So you know, being diagnosed um. At first we thought we got it all. That's what my doctor thought with the initial surgery.
Speaker 1:And how old were you when you were first diagnosed?
Speaker 2:So I was 21 when I was first diagnosed and I was 23 when I heard you're all clear. And during that almost two years there were three surgeries, three different rounds of chemo, and by rounds I mean regimens. So I was diagnosed in August of 2004 and was told we got it all. I was able to go back to school and do my senior fall of studies.
Speaker 2:And then about Thanksgiving I had a blood test and it showed my tumor markers were up and that chemotherapy was going to be my next course of treatment and that actually was going to be in the cards. Instead, we were hoping it wasn't, but it was. And then, after that three months of chemotherapy, I was told we got it. All you know get, get back to living, get um, go get healthy. And then three months later something showed up on a scan in my abdomen. So we ended up I'd have, I had to have surgery, and then I had to have a little bit more chemo. Went back to school, my fifth fall to finish, and then the same thing happened. We saw something on a scan and then finally, a little bit more chemo and then I was done at 23. So what I learned during that was a lot of highs and lows, um, really scared, didn't know what was next. Um, so mentally it was draining as well as the physical part.
Speaker 2:So, I didn't realize it until the physical part was done and I was, you know, on my own Um. I was young, so all the all the doctors were saying you're young, you got your whole life ahead of you. You know, looking back, this will just be a bump in the road, um, and that was. That was what was scary, because once the treatment was done, I was on my own um young adult. I didn't really understand what I'd been through at 23,. But I really didn't relate to my peers as much as I thought I would anymore, because problems that an average 23 year old had versus just getting done with cancer was very different. So mentally it took as much of a toll as physically.
Speaker 2:I mean I'd gained some weight so I was 20 some pounds heavier. But really, mentally, the depression, the anxiety, the, the fear, the what is next, was the really scary part for me you know, and I'm thinking at such a young age, I mean going through multiple surgeries, chemo.
Speaker 1:Did you have radiation as well?
Speaker 2:I did not have radiation. My type of cancer did not respond to radiation, so they they knew just for chemotherapy and then surgeries when needed.
Speaker 1:Okay, and so then you found yourself with having some anxiety, depression, what's next? So I think that now that's what's next birthed this wonderful organization Survivor Fitness. Tell us how that started, aaron.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Well as lonely as I felt after cancer, with no real, there's no guidebook when you're done with cancer treatment. It's amazing that there are more and more of us that are surviving battles with cancer, but now it's time to focus on well, what's next?
Speaker 2:You know, you got through that life-changing battle, but what's next? And that's where I felt the most lonely and the most lost, because the fatigue that I was feeling, you know, led to even more depression and anxiety. But how do you get rid of fatigue after cancer? Is you got to be active and so.
Speaker 2:I tried to go to the gym on my own because I was active as a kid, so I I knew how to work out for sports.
Speaker 2:I did not know how to work out from ground zero post-chemotherapy, and so I tried on my own for a couple of years to get back in shape, and it just wasn't working like I thought it should or understood that it should. I should be losing weight, I should be getting stamina back, and I just wasn't. And so I met with a trainer and told him my story and he took a liking, you know, took a liking to what I'd been through and helping me. And so when I started doing things his way, it drastically improved everything that I was trying to do. So mentally I was feeling better, physically, you know, stamina was back, but it was really, you know. The lights came back on, like hope was back, and so that experience, that journey by myself, is why I didn't think any other cancer survivor should have to do that alone. And there's a real gap in the recovery process, and that's our goal at Survivor. Fitness is to be the bridge back.
Speaker 1:To fill in that gap. And so, when you met this trainer, was this at the gym that you were working out, or is this someone that you sought?
Speaker 2:out. This was just happenstance. At the gym I was working out, they had um. They were going to do a bio or a body test to tell you body fat vo2 max.
Speaker 2:Some of the basics and I stared at that sign for about six months before I finally was like I know what it's going to tell me. I might as well just face the music. And I happened to sign up for a time where this particular gentleman was working and just a real positive guy and real encouraging and just gave me some basic advice and I started just listening to him and I'd go check in with him periodically and I'd never dove into any of those numbers before cancer and so seeing those go down it gave me something to hold on to and mentally it really helped.
Speaker 1:Okay and then so, so you had talked with another person about, um, you know, trying to fill in the gap of okay, I'm cancer survivor. You found that having a trainer worked. Was he working with you not only on exercise but nutrition?
Speaker 2:He would give a little bit of advice of nutrition and I just would share this is what I'm eating, what do you think of this diet or that diet? And he just gave me some basic, basic advice. But what you find is you can, unfortunately, make Google tell you whatever you want it to, and that's what's scary is, you can unravel any fitness advice and really get tangled up in what you should be doing, and so it was nice to have an outlet just telling me about the basics and just understanding general nutrition and protein intake and things like that. That again wasn't on my radar before all this.
Speaker 1:Right, right. And so what are some of the statistics that you've learned? Because there's thousands of cancer survivors and they have, like you just explained, lingering side effects that your doctor releases you. Hey, you're good, you're going to look back on this bump in the road. Well, doc, that's easy for you to say right, but man, you had another mountain to climb. So what are some of those statistics? I think the people listening need to understand.
Speaker 2:The one that stands out to me the most is really 60 to 90% of us cancer survivors would qualify for at least one need for specialized rehabilitation. And so you know you can. So you can split that stat down the middle. And it's over 7 out of 10 of us that walk out that are cancer survivors would need some extra special attention and only 2% get it. So there's a lot of people out there that are feeling lonely. They're feeling down. They got their life back, but their quality of life is not back yet.
Speaker 2:And that's again the most amazing thing is to hear there's no evidence of disease, anything like that, but then to go out back to the real world and feel like that. That's why we exist.
Speaker 1:And it sounds to me like the medical community really is missing the mark on this, aaron, because I think about. I'm a nurse by trade, so I think about a cancer, survivor, and if you're not getting better and your mental health, nutrition, because your body has been completely depleted of all the nutritional resources from chemotherapy, then you're going to end up with more medical problems down the road being a chronically ill patient, um so and that's what's.
Speaker 2:That's what's really scary is I mean you know a few other stats 37% increase in cardiovascular disease, 52% increase in heart failure. So everything you just said leads to inactivity.
Speaker 1:Yep, because you don't. You feel. The worse you feel, the more you're going to sit around. But you've learned that by being active it actually keeps you going and helps you, helps to be motivated.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I mean the fatigue that comes with chemotherapy and radiation. You've got to be active to get rid of that, but then when you don't feel like getting off the couch, it just is a snowball effect to. I'm going to eat some comfort food, or. I'm not going to work out, or I'm not going to go hang out with friends, which would uplift you anyway. So it's, it's just all a compounding issue that is not being addressed. I mean, I remember my last appointment I left with hey scans look great.
Speaker 2:We'll see you in four months, and then a business card with the appointment. There's a little more to the story than here's a business card we'll see in 90 or 120 days, whatever it is for you and you're just completely lost, because you know your support group is around you. Everything's going on while you're in treatment, but then, all of a sudden, the music stops and that's when mentally things just can compound.
Speaker 1:So, with the survivor fitness you started bringing in, you realized, hey, this is working, have this trainer. So how did you start meeting other people to say you know, share your idea about? I think it was a God given idea, Aaron, I don't believe in coincidences. I always think everything is for a reason, Aaron I don't believe in coincidences.
Speaker 2:I always think everything is for a reason. Sure, this is so far above me that it definitely was a God idea. I just felt like it needed to be out there and I was working out at a small gym at the time, and so I just went up and started talking to the owner and was like hey, I have an idea. And told him a little bit about my story. I'm a cancer survivor. I really think we could design a program to help cancer survivors after treatment when they need it most. What do you think of this? And I mean, I remember my first idea was like let's get some data of week one. Let's work out for four weeks. We'll get a little bit more, and then it was a 12-week program.
Speaker 3:But the thing then it was a 12 week program.
Speaker 2:But the thing was it was one-on-one because I and this was only from the lens of myself is I wouldn't have wanted to work out in a group yet because I was still self-conscious, so we made it one-on-one. One of my wife's coworkers his wife was a recent breast cancer survivor, so she told him about what we were trying to do. He said I don't think she'll go for it, she's not a really a big gym person. Well, she, she did go for it and so she had the confidence encouraged to drive across town to a gym. She didn't know. To someone who had an idea, who, if we're looking at it on paper, wasn't qualified, not a trainer, not a doctor, not a PT, just a cancer survivor saying hey there's a gap here.
Speaker 2:So we got her involved. She had a great experience. So we're like OK, well, we'll try to find a few more people. I think we had we had four or five people the first few months. We did it. And all of a sudden, they started, the story started to rhyme, even though their cancers were totally different, and so we were like okay, we're on to something. How do we do this?
Speaker 2:Well, a friend of mine was a lawyer and was like well, let's file the 501c3 paperwork. So we did that. It was the first time he had filled out the paperwork. We had an idea of the name, kind of the model, and then we just kept talking about it and so we got going. It's just the classic startup story.
Speaker 1:It is, and what I love is the fact that the right people came to you and things really fell into place for this.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I mean looking back.
Speaker 1:You just kind of see people being put in the right places and all of a sudden, here we are, many years later in the right places and all of a sudden, here we are, many years later and you know you mentioned something a little bit earlier about you know you're not, weren't qualified, because you're not a PT, you're not a physician, you're not a nutritionist or a personal trainer, but you do have the qualifier you've got. The most important is that that experience of being a survivor and what people need that you can relate to in life.
Speaker 2:It's definitely it's a club no one wants to be in, but when you talk to a fellow survivor, you always find common ground and can talk about the highs and lows in a way that you just can't if you hadn't been there.
Speaker 1:What's your thought on community with cancer survivors? I mean, you know, because relationships, that's what life is all about, and when we isolate ourselves we don't have those relationships. But especially with cancer survivors, what could you say to someone as a cancer survivor, to build community, to get involved.
Speaker 2:You don't have to be alone, and it's one of those things I've been guilty of wanting to be alone but, I, always feel better talking to someone about it and those those conversations with other cancer survivors are invaluable. Um, just to talk about it and maybe just being around someone who's been through it, and you don't even have to talk about it, you just can you understand common ground. I would say just don't go at it alone. Um.
Speaker 1:Right, and so now this has grown. So how many locations do you have in Tennessee?
Speaker 2:So we're in three major markets in Tennessee, with a total of 19 locations.
Speaker 1:And then we also have a virtual component. And when did this start?
Speaker 2:So it started in late 2012. And my wife and I were doing this outside of our full-time jobs, and then we took a little bit of a break where we were helping people if they came to us. But in the middle of that, my wife gave birth to our twins that are now seven. So you can imagine there was a little bit of break there. We moved from Nashville to Knoxville and then, in 2018, she stepped into the executive director role full-time.
Speaker 1:And Meg is her name right, meg is her name. Yes, and so she's now full-time executive director, wow Okay, and so that's just amazing how much it's grown in such a little amount of time.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So how does someone, if a cancer survivor, contacts you on your website? How do you set them up? What type of program do they have to qualify for certain things, or how does the program work?
Speaker 2:um what?
Speaker 1:do they get? What do they get in the program?
Speaker 2:so the the main qualification is you've had cancer and you're outside of your active treatment window. Now we have many participants that are on a maintenance drug or immunotherapy or other things. We get their doctor's clearance, but our application is right on the website. There's no financial qualifications. We're a 501c3. We know there's a stack of medical bills because of this diagnosis and if there's not, there may be a change of employment, there may be various other things. So as a 501c3, we raise funds to pay for the training for them.
Speaker 1:Okay, Okay. And how much personal training do they get in a gym like that one-on-one?
Speaker 2:So 24 sessions over 12 to 14 weeks, and the reason we give kind of a range there is there may be a vacation in the mix, someone may get sick, you may have a work trip, but we try to have that 12 to 14 week window to complete the two times a week with a trainer and then that trainer will be helping you work out one more time on your own, because we don't want to just be a boot camp or a fad. We want you to be done with us and go. This is part of my routine now, um, I have the time and I have the confidence which is equally as important as the time to go into a gym setting by myself and do a quality workout. Or, if you want to get back into a group class. You now know the new you and so you're able to go into a group setting and keep. Now know the new you and so you're able to go into a group setting and keep yourself safe and have some fun.
Speaker 1:And what about the nutritional counseling? Because I think that's really important.
Speaker 2:So you'll meet with a dietitian three to five times and we kind of have that range, because some people need a little more focus and others, you know we're well ahead of the curve, even before their diagnosis and they're already back on the right track. But it's great just to have a true resource. You know, like I, was talking about earlier.
Speaker 2:You can get online and all of a sudden you're never going to touch bread again, or you're only going to eat rice, or you never know, but you can make it, say whatever you like, and so having a real dietitian to help you unravel and stay the course is very important.
Speaker 1:And then what about mental health? So that type of counseling for those that might be experiencing depression or anxiety? Aaron.
Speaker 2:So that is our newest program and we have partnered with BetterHelp so you can go see a mental health professional up to once a week for three months. So, and that's to be decided by you and your professional. Some people want to go every week, Others, hey, once a month is great. I I feel like I'm doing okay, but I do want to check in, so that is a real customized component. But that is up to weekly for three months.
Speaker 1:Wow, you know you've covered the whole person. You must have talked to a nurse about developing this because I mean, we treat people holistically. So share a success story with us, because I look at you and I'm thinking man, you are a success story. You look amazing, you're happy, you're healthy, you have two beautiful children, age seven, you're working, still productive. So what's a success story you'd like to share?
Speaker 2:Sure, you know. One that comes to mind was a sarcoma survivor. She had to have muscle removed from her leg and even after PT it was determined she couldn't be alone because she was a high fall risk. And if she did fall she wouldn't be able because she was a high fall risk.
Speaker 2:And if she did fall, she wouldn't be able to get herself off the ground and so, sitting here you know, for our audience, she was no longer independent. She was cancer free. Uh, her PT told her this this is what we have. Well, we're, we're very fortunate that or she you know that she found us or we found her, and our trainers worked with her with what she had. They didn't take the approach of here's what you don't have. It was all right. What do we have? What do we have today? What can we do? And so they worked with her on what she had and by the time they were done working together, she's independent again and we take that for granted. But she can get up if she falls, she can go on with her day. So now her husband is back to work. He didn't have to stay with her 24 hours a day for safety. So that's a real success story, just getting your daily activities back, and she's a true fighter.
Speaker 1:I love that. That is awesome, and so do you have any? I know you said that you have 19 locations, right. Are there any up here in Johnson City, bristol, kingsport, I know in Knoxville, right?
Speaker 2:At this time we don't have any physical locations up here. It's a great market, and someday we should be up here. It's a great market and someday we should be up here. But right now we're Knoxville, nashville and then Chattanooga was our most recent expansion. And then we do have virtual, because a lot of people will drive 30, 45 minutes to go get chemotherapy but that's not really in the cards to go work out, and so we do have a really good virtual program to where we'll have a trainer meet you virtually.
Speaker 2:You can train at your house. We'll send up to three pieces of gym equipment to your home and then you're able to work out there, and you know we're seeing great success with that. Unfortunately, you know, covid changed us all and so that became part of it to help people and we just stuck it. You know we've we've been able to help people in other States as well, so is there a plan to go to other States, aaron to, for this program or?
Speaker 2:we talk big pipe dreams but really we want to be able to service the markets we have to, the best of our abilities and then we can look at how do we scale outside of Tennessee, but right now we want to focus on. There's so many cancer survivors here in Tennessee that we need to be able to help first.
Speaker 1:And we need you.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:The health care in Tennessee desperately needs you and your program. So this takes money. So let's talk about we've got to raise money, right, so tell us about your fundraisers.
Speaker 2:Sure. So we have several fitness events a year and then we have two survivor soirees and the soirees are four-course wine dinners and they always draw a great crowd and we're excited to be able to do that again this year.
Speaker 1:Okay, so how can people get involved to help Aaron?
Speaker 2:So our website we'd we'd love to have you come visit our website. You can donate on our website because, as you said, it does take money that goes directly to our programs and our participants. So donating on our website is a is huge, or or coming to our events to support us that way.
Speaker 1:Okay, and what are the? There was one, we've got the Soiree, but what about the other fundraising event? What's involved in that?
Speaker 2:one, so that one's called Rock the Row.
Speaker 1:Rock the Row.
Speaker 2:It's an indoor rowing event. So your classic rowers, teams of 10, and it's rowing who can row 30,000 meters the fastest. And then in Nashville we started there they row 42,000 meters, which is a marathon.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness but it's who can row that the fastest. You raise money along the way. But it's a great event because teams of up to 10. So you get some camaraderie there, get the competition flowing again. It's really a lot of fun and it's not weather permitting. So we've had a lot of fun doing that the past couple of years as well.
Speaker 1:Well, that's great. And then you also have a lot of library resources, right. So how do you get those together for survivors?
Speaker 2:Sure. So we try to have everything we can on our website because we know some people want to come in and start the program immediately. Other want to take a more casual approach and read about us, read about other survivors. So we try to have our website, have all of our resources there.
Speaker 1:So what are some final words of encouragement, Aaron, that you would like to share for those listening? Not only just about the foundation, but really just about, you know, being a cancer survivor.
Speaker 2:Being a cancer survivor. You're not alone.
Speaker 3:You may feel alone.
Speaker 2:You may be, you know, the only one that's gone through it out of your group of friends. But, everybody, unfortunately, has been touched by cancer. Somehow, some way, and just don't go at it alone. Look for community, your friends that have been your friends your whole life. They're going to be there for you. Lean on them. It's okay to be vulnerable, but you're going to get through it. Just don't try this alone.
Speaker 1:It doesn't work. And people do care, people do want to help. It's just, we just have to be willing to share Sure People.
Speaker 2:You know, this is all. This is all uncharted waters. People don't know what to do, but they are willing to help. And so again, just you're, you'll get through it. Don't, don't go at it alone. And so again, just you'll get through it. Don't go at it alone, and we'd love to help when you're done with treatment.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. I'm sure you talked earlier about data collection, so are you guys collecting that data for your cancer survivors that are in your program and the previous statistics that you've had? Are you able to start looking at that? Or maybe there's a plan in the future to say, hey, by doing this, look how these statistics are changing, because one disturbing statistic for me was that 85% of cancer survivors can commit. Maybe I've got that statistic wrong about suicide.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a much greater risk for cancer survivors on suicide.
Speaker 2:We collect statistics. We've got to be more than just telling you how good it's going to make you feel. We've got to show the data, especially to the medical community. So being able to show physical data changes in your mental health really helps us present to the medical community as a whole. So our participants are, you know, they're the ones going back to their doctors and saying, hey, I'm feeling better, everything like that. But we're collecting them just so we have a standardized program and we're able to show progress the same way every time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is great and I would hope that these physicians are excited to hear about these improvements. And you know, I could just see, you know the medical communities I think about UT, knoxville, you know getting, you know taking this program and branching out with it to help cancer survivors.
Speaker 2:Sure, it's much needed and unfortunately there are so many of us out there that it will take an effort by all to get this there.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, Aaron, thank you for what you're doing and I love what you're doing and you're helping people, and I think it's just something that's been overlooked and fortunately, you had to go through that. So I think God had a something that's been overlooked and fortunately, you had to go through that. So I think God had a great plan for your life in putting this together.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It's an honor and it's very humbling to watch our participants go through the program and see them come out on the other side. They're the real heroes because they show up, they put in the effort and they get on with their life and it is truly humbling and I'm so proud to watch them, you know, go through it it's, it's an honor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Well, aaron, we'll have to have you back. Uh, thank you so much for being here today and sharing about this wonderful foundation and, for those of you, please go to the website and share that website one more time, aaron.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It is survivorfitnessorg and we would love to help anybody that's listening that needs our services. So I appreciate the opportunity to be here and tell our story because unfortunately it's it's a needed story and and someone listening will need our services.
Speaker 1:Yes, and when is the soiree in Knoxville?
Speaker 2:It is September 5th at the press room, so it's coming up quicker than we think.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, I know Brittany went last year, so she's so excited about it. It's just right down her alley, it's right down our alley. So guys make plans, those who are listening, and you can donate right on the website, right?
Speaker 2:Absolutely Okay. Please make plans and, if you feel so, led the website will make it very easy for you. Okay, we look forward to having you all again this year.
Speaker 1:Okay, aaron. Thank you again. Survivor Fitness everybody.
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