Dreaming Big and Embracing Growth: Jenny Rogers' Journey from Music Teacher to Empowerment Coach

Jenny Rogers, a certified life elite coach and dynamic creator, joins us for an episode brimming with inspiration and authenticity. Known for her vibrant journey of dreaming big, Jenny shares how the steadfast support of her family fueled her ambition to live a life untethered by fear. Her engaging storytelling reveals how experiences as a music teacher, author, and speaker have shaped her into a formidable force for creativity and empowerment. Jenny opens up about her book, "Mama Bear Meditations," which offers poignant messages of strength and courage, resonating deeply with communities facing collective challenges. Through her outreach work in Africa and her holistic coaching approach, she exemplifies how embracing one's dreams can lead to a fulfilling and transformative existence.

Journey with us as Jenny unravels how life's trials, such as trauma and divorce, can become catalysts for profound personal growth. She candidly discusses writing her meditation books as a pathway to connection and self-discovery, and how this endeavor tied into her coaching philosophy. Encouraged by success coach Mitch Matthews, Jenny transitioned into success coaching, empowering others to find clarity and focus amidst life's transitions. Her insightful methods emphasize individuality and personal growth, inviting listeners to recognize their unique gifts and explore new paths. Join us to uncover the powerful narratives that have shaped Jenny's path and be inspired to rediscover your dreams.

To help you to navigate the home buying and mortgage process, Jonathan & Steve are currently licensed in Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Virginia, contact us today at 423-491-5405 or visit www.jonathanandsteve.com.

Chapters

• 0:00 Inspiring Dreams
• 11:02 Discovering Healing Through Life's Journeys
• 19:48 Navigating Life Transitions With Success Coaching

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

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Speaker 2: 0:44

Well, welcome back everybody to another episode of our Benchmark Happenings podcast, and today I have the Jenny Rogers with us to interview. So, jenny, thank you so much for being here today. Thank you for having me. Okay, and so Jenny said I'm going to be real mature on this podcast.

Speaker 3: 1:03

I'm going to be so mature that you're going to wonder who I am.

Speaker 2: 1:06

I said please don't be, let's just have fun.

Speaker 2: 1:10

So we were talking earlier and I was like, okay, jenny, I'm like where in the world do I start with you, I mean, on this interview? I'm thinking now I know why Tom is as successful as he is. You're amazing children that you have. You truly are your mama bear, love your children. But I was looking at your everything that you've accomplished certified life elite coach, author, speaker, music teacher, a creator. You love to create music programs, worship, books, videos, and you play the piano. I'm like okay, like I'm a little intimidated here. What please don't tell us about, I mean what all you were doing. I mean there's just so many things.

Speaker 3: 2:01

Um, that's, that's probably being eclectic. So I would say definitely gypsy, gypsy girl who just like flips and does different little things all the time. But I would say um to, to kind of come up with the core of how do I um, you know how do I maneuver is I've always had permission to dream.

Speaker 3: 2:23

So I'm a dreamer, and a dreamer since a little kid. So there was nothing that I that I kind of dreamed of, that my parents would not say you can do that, you can do that. And I think having that permission to and feeling empowered to do whatever I wanted to do was a blessing, because I don't think everybody has that, but that's the one thing that I wanted to give my kids Is because if there was anything I am more grateful, so grateful for, would the permission that they gave me to be my truest self and uh, and that. So all of those things that you see are just, um, it's just the journey of literally living life, you know, just living it, um, as it's kind of coming from the intuitive down into my reality and and saying, okay, I want to do this. And my second blessing after my parents for sure give me permission is my husband giving me permission and uh, and not many people have that.

Speaker 3: 3:39

So, um, I mean, believe me when he uh and I mean, believe me, when he, before he proposed to me. I was writing him songs and singing to him that he's the prince of my palace.

Speaker 2: 3:52

He's your, he was your handsome prince right and the hero of my time. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 3:58

I was that kind of girl when. I was young and he gave me permission to always be that girl.

Speaker 1: 4:06

And.

Speaker 3: 4:07

I, and so that was um, that was super, so it doesn't, um, it doesn't mean that I uh, would you know, I just did anything I want to cause you have to kind of move through passages of kids and all of that, but the the core of my being is a dreamer.

Speaker 2: 4:25

A dreamer and you know I think dreams are so important because I've always heard. You know, if you stop dreaming, you die, and we are created in the image of God and we're beautiful creations every one of us and I love. I was reading through your book Mama Bear Meditations, so, and I thought as I was reading through your book, mama Bear Meditations so, and I thought as I was reading through some of it today, I thought how timely to have this book in the midst of what has happened to our area with the hurricane and the flooding, and I thought, having the permission to be still, to be quiet, to wait upon the Lord.

Speaker 2: 5:03

One of your meditations and I think it was the ninth one, it was from the book of Joshua, and I'm studying the book of Joshua right now and it was like be strong and be courageous, for I, the Lord, am with you and I thought we need to hear that right now, jenny. So it's like everything is just so timely and I love the book, but I wanted to just I love how you're sharing. You know being a dreamer and your parents just giving you that permission. You raised your children with that in mind and you know just going through that journey and now you've stepped into being a life coach, success coach, and so tell us, what does that look like? How do you coach someone to help them discover their journey and to maybe to dream again? Maybe they stop dreaming.

Speaker 3: 5:56

Oh, how did I get there?

Speaker 2: 5:59

Wow, I know it's a long story, I'm sure because you know I'm kind of talking from the journey.

Speaker 3: 6:05

So I have you know, like you probably saw in my website, I've gone through all the passages. You know the passages of where you know the family were in need of insurance. So I've got to get a school job and school job and Tom wanted to start his own practice, and so you go through these what I would call crossroads, and so I went from that, from teaching, into being on church staff and then from church staff I went into an outreach phase which I love. Noaa outreach was just such a God thing, such a God thing which took me to Africa and I got to teach over there in the College of Yayondi and in Cameroon.

Speaker 3: 6:56

So all of those things led me to another'm 67, 66 right now, and when I was 62, maybe, or 60, probably 62, I really felt there was another passage. There was another thing I needed to do, and I was teaching at Dobbins Bend. I was the choral director there. I was the choral director at Sevier before that, and so I knew a lot of kids and I was able to still do my thing, which is literally empower and give permission for them to dream and to become whatever it is that their truest self was and to move in that natural.

Speaker 3: 7:42

And when I got to that point, I know I told Tom I I really want to retire and I knew that I could do more at DB. It was not like I did, you know. It was not like okay, I don't like my job. Or, you know, I loved my job. I don't even think there is a job that I've had in my life that I didn't like.

Speaker 2: 8:03

That's wonderful.

Speaker 3: 8:03

I went into it with bloom, where you're planted, and I went from the fact that I absolutely love helping people realize how beautiful they are, just their beauty and their potential and what, and also just kind of what God put in them to gift the world. And I could see it, and sometimes they couldn't see it, but I saw it.

Speaker 2: 8:25

And you saw it.

Speaker 3: 8:26

And so that gave me opportunity. So everywhere I've been, I've had opportunity to do that very thing.

Speaker 1: 8:32

That's great, even in.

Speaker 3: 8:32

Africa, every school I've ever been in, every church I've ever been to and, most importantly, with my children. Yes. And that was one of the reasons of writing the book was one of the reasons of writing the book.

Speaker 3: 8:49

So this book was my transition from teaching to the coaching. So in that time I didn't know what I was going to do, but I knew that I had learned a lot and I had to unlearn a lot in my life and I had come to a place where I wanted to, to broaden my influence, to expand, you know to, to be able to say that. And my children were gone. So I was like, well, who's? Who's? Who's going to listen to me? Who's my audience? Where's my stage? No, I'm just kidding. Okay, um, um. But so I was like, how am I, how, when, how am I supposed to tell people what I've learned about?

Speaker 3: 9:32

what matters in life. What? Really matters and so I uh picked random 10 people that, uh, that were in my kids age age group at the time, so they were the 20s to the 30s, or maybe 25 to 35.

Speaker 3: 9:49

Okay Well you know, 20s to 30s, and I thought who are the people that if I was to sit in a room with and share, be vulnerable enough to share information, what it is I've learned about life, the deep things about the church, about family, about love, about pain, all the things that you experience in life, and who would I want to sit in that room and share what I've learned about it and then also be vulnerable to say what I had to unlearn, learned about it, and then also be vulnerable to say what I had to unlearn, what I brought into being a mom, brought in to from being, you know, a child of a broken family. So my parents divorced right when I was in high school, very crucial time in my life.

Speaker 3: 10:45

And so I had that broken family experience where we all divided, and I had things that I brought into my marriage from that tragedy, from that trauma in my life. And when I say trauma, it is a trauma, it's not. I don't think you can measure pain. You know, everyone has this pain that they that has created a um, a fear in their life. My fear was separation. My fear was like what if? Um, you know, what if? Tom's not going to be here tomorrow? What if? And I, uh, what if? I, you know, with my children, I wanted everything to be the same all the time because it wasn't anymore with mine and I wanted traditions more than I ever wanted them before. And when I was growing up we moved every six months and all of a sudden I went into my marriage and with my three kids and I wanted the same house and I wanted everything the same and I wanted everything comfortable and under my control and that stability.

Speaker 2: 11:51

We were looking for that stability and that comfort. You know, uh, we had Steve sister on for a podcast and we did one on divorce and how it impacts children. She's a, she's a counselor, and you're right, it is a trauma and divorce is a trauma to your children 100%.

Speaker 3: 12:07

It even tried, like even the divorces that have happened while in my, my extended family have affected my current family, and so it's, it's all it kind of what I would call unravels you. You know, it makes you feel like things are out of your control, are out of your control. And that's a good thing, because that's an opportunity to grow, to realize, to unlearn the fact that you could even think you're in control.

Speaker 3: 12:42

I mean, we just have experienced this past weekend of all the control that you thought you had with your house is always going to be standing and there's always going to be food in the refrigerator, there's always going to be power on and, of course, you're going to have your internet so that you can, you know, watch your, your football game. You know all those things that you thought you had control of. You really don't, so it's important to unlearn that. And so, uh, with the book, you know, I was 60, I guess I, I, um, I retired at 62 and I started writing then and, um, and it was, I just thought I would just go day by day and I did it on a text message, so it wasn't really okay.

Speaker 3: 13:25

I'm going to write a book on mama bear meditation. I'm going to write a book called Mama Bear Meditation. No, no, I only called it Mama Bear because these kids, the 10 that I chose, they called me Mama B and that was because of the connection with my kids and kind of the place I was in their life in the 20s and 30s. And I even picked a couple of kids that had graduated, that had been with me at Dobbins Bennett and graduated and I put them on that text thread and I, you know, literally when I wrote one, I didn't put myself on a schedule. Oh, I'm going to write one a week and I'm going to be like Richard.

Speaker 2: 14:04

Ward or you know no so no pressure, it was no pressure, I love that. So no pressure, it was no pressure, I love that.

Speaker 3: 14:08

I just wanted to sit in a room and. I needed all I asked of them just let me know you read it, that they were in the room, because if I know that that someone is is receiving it, it gives me all this, this um, excitement to do some, to keep going, to keep going.

Speaker 3: 14:36

So they and I said, but don't comment, because, again, a meditation is my thoughts, but for it to become your thoughts you have to, you have to put it kind of in a contemplative state which would be that you go one layer deeper and you would sit in kind of your soul and say, okay, I want to recognize what this is in my life and I want to appreciate this in a different way. Not what, not what Jenny wrote, but what is it writing in me? You know what's coming out of me, and that's contemplation.

Speaker 3: 15:19

So I wanted them just to sit in the meditation. So anyway, after you know, I wrote like maybe 10 or 15 and on my little text thread several people would say can I be on your text thread?

Speaker 2: 15:32

So I added them to the to the text thread Again maybe after yeah, it was being read, it was making an impact. Well, I just I don't know.

Speaker 3: 15:42

I felt I had a community of where I was still teaching from the journey. You know, I was teaching from my journey and I knew that whatever the Holy Spirit wanted to do in that meditation was going to be in their moment of being still and they were going to stop because the meditations, even the second book that I'm writing, it's even a more contemplative type of writing than this one was. So you'll find when you see the second one. I can't wait.

Speaker 3: 16:12

That it's more when I say contemplate, it's more open. I wrote the second one with arms open. Where this one, I was kind of like going like this with my babies.

Speaker 3: 16:24

Yeah, kind of holding it close, Going like okay, this is what I've learned and this is what I had to unlearn, and in those 35 years we've all been together and then with, with mama bear too, I've been going. Okay, I want to. I want to now just open it up to that contemplative place of of. I want to call it um, recognition, awareness, so that I look, I can look at it and it speaks to me and that's what.

Speaker 3: 16:59

So, in other words, titles of meditations, and this would be wind you know it would be ocean, but it's not in the way that you think of wind, you know it's like going to be beyond that definition. It is whatever, scientific, whatever, and so when that happened about midway through the book, I'll get to my coaching, because the coaching, it literally ties in.

Speaker 2: 17:28

It really does, because as I was reading through this and, uh, reading about your, your coaching, I thought this has been that, that process, that refining process and that journey that you've allowed yourself to go through. Yeah, and I can see the passion. I can see the passion in you and the life that just I'm so, you know, you're so excited and that's that's contagious.

Speaker 3: 17:57

It is I do. I get so excited about connecting with people on a level that is their, their, their truest love, their truest, their natural, and what they've been afraid to say. But now they can say it because I've given them permission to say it, and this is I know I'm in this job Well, I'll get to the coaching in a minute.

Speaker 3: 18:28

I would love art Like I would love to see what a 30, a 30 ish person would draw when they read those. And my niece was an artist or is a creative, um, um artist in Austin and I and of course she's way beyond an illustrator, she's so good and I said, hey, caroline, would you if you she was on my list?

Speaker 3: 19:00

I mean, she was on my text on your text group text yeah and uh, my, you know a couple of my nieces and and I said, uh, would said would you just like, don't think about it, would you just sketch whatever comes to your mind, even halfway through, or just read it and then just sit back and then just draw. And I said I'm not, I'm not going to change it, I'm not even going to ask what it is. I said it's, I'm going to send it in the thread.

Speaker 3: 19:33

And so it became more of a collaboration of hearts and everybody was kind of of I want to call just oozing together you know just kind of coming together.

Speaker 3: 19:47

And so she did that. And as she was doing it, um, I got to around 30, 35 and they, and I thought, man, I gotta stop like this. You know what is this? And um, and that's when one of the kids in the thread said can you, can you make this into a book and we can just go back and remember and when and I've done this before, so don't think this is my first rodeo.

Speaker 3: 20:15

Uh, I have and if anybody's out there listening that had kids of my kids age during the high school years and we had a little incident in our house.

Speaker 3: 20:26

it wasn't really good and, oh yes, um, I said for me not to tell your parents what happened here. Um, then I think you need to come to my house for the next. I think it was like six weeks and, um, and I'm going to write about this and we're going to, we're going. It's called life is the source and, uh, because, and so I'm, I'm getting at that again. After we did six weeks, they said can you put this in a book?

Speaker 1: 20:54

And I did that for them.

Speaker 3: 20:55

So when they said, can you put it in the book, I thought great, and I I, so I put mama bear together and that's how the book came out. As that was happening, I was really um, you know I'm, I was always doing the editing for Tom, and again that's for for for performance medicine, and again my coaching, and what I do best is empowering and and to see what I know somebody wants to do and then, help them create a plan to get there.

Speaker 3: 21:27

So I was still doing that because we have to get there. So I was still doing that because we have a family business. So I was still doing that with Ben and with Andy and with Kel and and that kind of uh, getting clarity and focus on what you want to do in this and you don't have to do it in the business, you could do it somewhere else. I was still kind of sorting that out. And then I ran across at a creative content conference, at Christ Fellowship. I ran across a coach, a success coach, mitch Matthews, and he blew me away Immediately when he started talking about coaching and the way he was describing success coaching. I was like that's what I'm supposed to do. So he became my coach and from there.

Speaker 3: 22:22

I went through the training and his elite coaching, training and um, and then launched a practice and said and I really wanted it to be, I really kind of wanted it to be out of the shadows of performance medicine, because, again, it's a little bit deeper than um, than medicine, it's, it's, it's the fiber of who you are.

Speaker 2: 22:47

Yeah, it's holistic. It's truly holistic, it's the fiber of who you are. Yeah, it's truly holistic, it's the fiber of who you are.

Speaker 3: 22:51

We're talking now about how you're wired up to gift the world and if you've lived in the shadows of someone awesomely great, like my husband and I've been in the shadows of performance, which I I love because I have found my own. You know, I've always found my own quote stage, if you want to say the place where I, I, um, I, I have my influence. But you know, the decision was, do I want to? It was my next step in performance medicine and that just I kept thinking that was his, that's his story. Yes.

Speaker 3: 23:39

That's his DNA, and so I thought I really wanted to go back. And this is how Jenny J got there, because that's my middle name is. I really grew up as Jenny Jinx, okay. That's. Who told me Mary was Jenny Jinx, okay. And so I thought, you know what I'm gonna. I'm going to kind of go back to my roots and that's why in? My website.

Speaker 3: 24:01

You'll see dad um learning to dive in and and I just spent some time with Mitch, my coach, and and he said, spend time where you were at your most natural self. And I went back in time and all those little things where I I remember them giving me permission just to dive in. Do it, you know. Go to college. What do you want to do? I play the piano and like, yes, play. You know. I write songs, be a songwriter. And you know I was, I was that.

Speaker 3: 24:43

Uh, so I went back to all the freedom that I had and created the website and moved into this kind of place in my life where I can help people get that clarity and focus in their life.

Speaker 2: 25:04

And that's so needed now, jenny, in people's lives, because I think there's more noise and confusion now than ever I mean, I've never seen it in all of my years and I think that's what we need is that groundedness. You know and I love what you're saying about people that you know you're a gift. Each person is a gift to the world. Each person is so special and and each person is so unique, and it's just getting to that point of where you're guiding people through this success, coaching to become who God intended for them to be.

Speaker 3: 25:48

And they can do that even in rough passages. So, in other words, I do see the person who's in the midst of a divorce and they are at a crossroads and they need to really get into that intuitive is. You know what do, what do you want me to know about this and what do you want me to unlearn? And then, what do you want me to learn? And in that transition, um, a coach is is the perfect fit, because it's not really a counseling thing, I mean, the marriage is done, you know, and, and we are moving on.

Speaker 2: 26:32

This is where we are in life.

Speaker 3: 26:33

This is where we are Plot a new course, yeah, and what I do is say is literally I do a, I do a complimentary call, they have an hour of free coaching and I literally coach in that hour like I would coach them as an ally who was with me for three months, and so in that hour I really asked the question is okay, what do you love about what you're doing right now?

Speaker 2: 26:58

Yes, what is it that you love?

Speaker 3: 27:00

And then, what is that one thing that you might want to change about what you're doing? Right now. And then get to and you and I and I just am a listener and I'm typing the whole time everything that they're saying. And somehow. I mean God, just he just does it. I always look at my mind map that I'm typing on and I'm, and it's almost like a star comes out and God's saying this is who they are, this is what they love.

Speaker 2: 27:31

Oh, that just gave me chills. This is what they love. That's powerful.

Speaker 3: 27:34

And I mean I just had a call today and he was 38, from North Carolina, and it was just amazing to kind of his past and what he's done in the past 38 years and where he was right now and what in how he described his job, what he loved about it and what he would change?

Speaker 3: 28:01

and then I asked that crazy question is that hey, what if I gave you a million bucks right now, no strings attached, I'm just going to hand it to you. You don't have to worry about money right now. What would you do in this next year with your life? What would you, what do you want to do?

Speaker 2: 28:22

What a great question.

Speaker 3: 28:23

And he. I mean literally, it was like it was like the. He I mean literally, it was like it was like the. Just, it just broke out of him like the water gushed down and everything.

Speaker 3: 28:34

He is so passionate about what he and his wife would do for others what his, what he longed to do all his life and this and I was like, oh my gosh, we need to hook up. Man, yes, we need to hook up. I mean, I love what you're doing, but this is a crossroad, even the very fact that you got my number that you even like, and he did it last night. So this is just a night, and there was a spot open this morning at 11 and he booked it last night and I'm telling you that if he hadn't have done that, he would never have done it. Yeah, and that's not a coincidence.

Speaker 3: 29:17

It's not a coincidence. And I said and again, you know, he said he only had like watch this. He said I now only have 30 minutes. And I said well, you know why don't we do it at a time in which you're not rushed at all. You know, I'll open any time up what is a good day for you. He literally texted back and said I canceled my next appointment. And I said ah, I said well, it's me. And I thought so, that was just that's how much it was in him that I'm at, I'm at the.

Speaker 3: 29:53

I'm at, not at a crossroad, it's just, I'm at a point of change. Sure, let's not even call it a crossroad, let's just say change. And I, I absolutely love change. So I know people hate it Most people don't Most people don't Because it's challenging. And it causes conflict. It does you don't, Most people don't, Because it's challenging and it causes conflict it does. You know it's very you know everything's got, everything kind of gets out of order, and I love out of order.

Speaker 2: 30:19

Well, but, jenny, that's the only way we're going to grow. If we're not challenged, if we don't have trials and tribulations, if we don't have hardships, we never grow. And just thank you for being there to be that person for others and walking with them through this journey. So I know that this is going to be just it's going to be. It is amazing and it's going to be amazing, and you're going to continue to help so many people and your passion is just it's so contagious, as I said before. So we want people to be able to get in touch with you. The website, so I've got Jenny at JennyRogerscom right or is?

Speaker 2: 31:04

it different.

Speaker 3: 31:05

Well, no, the website. We've got to remember that J man, we have to remember the J. If you do? This is no joke. If you do, jennyrogerscom, if you do, she's a wonderful lady out there. Oh yes, yes, yes. Yes, she's in London and actually I contacted her. She's, uh, I think, in her mid seventies or eighties and uh, cause she's written so many great books and I was just thank the Lord that you wrote so many great books and case and this happens to be your name and also you just happen to be a coach.

Speaker 3: 31:40

I said because if somebody does get us mixed up, they'll just think I'm that old and that's beautiful because she's aged so beautifully. But my website is Jenny J and I even thought about just having it at Jenny J, but JennyJRogerscom. And then my email is, of course, Jenny at JennyJRogerscom. Okay. And. I'll just kind of keep doing that. Jenny J, Jenny J. I like it. It's got a nice ring to it A little, jenny J.

Speaker 2: 32:10

So we have to have that.

Speaker 3: 32:11

J after Jenny, if you're going to find me. Well, we want to find you If you're going to find me.

Speaker 2: 32:17

Got to find Jenny J Jenny. J. That's where it's at Jenny J, it's got a nice ring. We need to have Andy here and he could come up will write the music for Jenny J. Yes.

Speaker 3: 32:38

And it will be all well. Actually, the music, oh, it's not on there, but I did write the music for it. It's called the Traveler and Dave gosh, jenny Rogers, dave, cellist in Bristol. So I'm losing his last name and I absolutely love playing with him Right right. But anyway, he helped me with the song called the Traveler. But I definitely want to get the message out that on my website there's a book, a free, complimentary call.

Speaker 1: 33:08

Yes.

Speaker 3: 33:09

And I have open slots for them to do that. For those times I do the complimentary calls so.

Speaker 2: 33:15

so, everybody, please go on. And if you are thinking about this and change in life, maybe you're a little scared, maybe you're caught in up in some confusion, maybe you've just, you know, you've just been going through life and just find it dull, maybe you've lost your sense to dream, like you did as a child. Contact Jenny, jenny J, and let's do a consultation with her. So, jenny, thank you for being on today. I can't wait to bring you back to talk about how it's going, your coaching, your next book.

Speaker 3: 33:53

So I want you to sign my book.

Speaker 2: 33:55

I got my mama bear meditations with me today and that's another thing.

Speaker 3: 34:01

Books are available, obviously, on Amazon, but mama bear meditations is also a website, so a lot of people will, will, um will, subscribe to the website and they get my block, my meditation. So they've actually seen me write the second book. Uh, if, if they go onto that website, it's called mama bear meditationscom.

Speaker 2: 34:24

Awesome, all right, well, thank you, jenny, for being on the show today. Thank you for having me Absolutely, it's a pleasure.

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