TSUNAMI SURVIVOR: Ani Naqvi on the Boxing Day Tsunami That Changed Her Life

It's 20 years since the Boxing Day tsunami in the Indian Ocean that killed more than 200,000 people.

Londoner Ani Naqvi was asleep in a beach hut in Sri Lanka when the tsunami hit, filling the hut with water and almost drowning her.

In this podcast Ani shares her life before the tsunami, the harrowing experience of the disaster, and the profound impact it had on her life. She discusses her struggles with PTSD, her journey towards healing, and how she found purpose in helping others after surviving such a traumatic event. The conversation delves into themes of survival, personal growth, spirituality, and the search for meaning in the aftermath of tragedy.

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Chapters

• 0:05 Survivor of 2004 Tsunami Shares Experience
• 14:31 Survivor Recounts Tsunami Aftermath
• 28:00 Transforming Adversity Into Purpose

Transcript

Angela Walker: 0:05

In 2004, a tsunami originating in the Indian Ocean claimed the lives of 230,000 people. It was one of the deadliest disasters of our time and created a force so great it quite literally changed the rotation of our planet. I'm journalist Angela Walker, and in this podcast I talk to inspirational people and discuss under-reported issues. My guest today is a woman who almost died in that disaster and whose life completely changed course as a result of it. My guest today is Annie Nackvey. Annie, thank you so much for joining us and sharing your incredible story. Can you take us back to what your life was like in 2004, before the tsunami hit?

Ani Naqvi: 0:53

Yes, absolutely. And hi, Angela as well. So in 2004, before the tsunami hit, you know, I was a, I was a just turned sort of 30, something you know young, and I was kind of a little bit lost in my life. I was sort of struggling to find meaning in life. I had kind of, you know, I'd achieved my kind of childhood goals I had already of being a journalist at the BBC, and then I'd already left there as well, and I was kind of suffering from depression on and off, I would say, and just a kind of a sense of a feeling of a malaise, of just kind of feeling like, well, I've done the degree, I've done the. You know, I've gotten the job, I've bought the house, I've gotten the job, I've bought the house, I've gotten the financial independence, all the things that people tell you are going to make you happy, all the outside trappings of success. And yet I wasn't feeling, you know, fulfilled, I wasn't feeling happy, I wasn't feeling content and I was like this can't be it. You know, just go to college, get a degree, get a full time job, you know, do the nine to five, get married, have a couple of kids, and then you know, and then die.

Ani Naqvi: 2:11

And that sense of existential crisis of you know is that all there is to life was really something that was kind of playing on my mind a lot in those sort of formative years in my early 30s, you know, I think the 20s, you know you're kind of just finding your place, aren't you, and having fun and all that kind of thing. And then you kind of get to, you know, late 20s and early 30s and then you're really starting to question what life is really about and everything. And I think that that's why people have midlife crises, because they maybe don't resolve those questions at that age and so they get to later in life, in their 40s or their 50s, and then they're kind of like confronting those same existential questions of you know is this all there is to life, you know? So I was having my existential crisis and feeling a bit depressed and things like that when back in 2004.

Angela Walker: 3:04

Crisis and feeling a bit depressed and things like that back in 2004. And so you headed off to Sri Lanka. Was that going to visit a friend on holiday? Tell us about that trip.

Ani Naqvi: 3:13

Yes, so absolutely. My best friend had emigrated out to Sri Lanka. She's British but she was half Sri Lankan, so she had gone out the year before and I'd actually gone out with her to find this place that she had bought. So she'd bought a guest house on the east coast of Sri Lanka. I'd also bought some land on the south coast of Sri Lanka.

Ani Naqvi: 3:35

So I was going to Sri Lanka to A spend time with my best friend at her new hotel that she had on the east coast on the beach. I was young, free and single at the time, so it was a no brainer for me to go and visit my best friend at her new hotel that she had on the east coast on the beach. I was young, free and single at the time, so it was a no brainer for me to go and visit my best friend on a beautiful paradise island. And also I was planning on seeing some architects after the Christmas break in Sri Lanka to start talking about how I was going to develop my land as well. So it was a twofold reason that I was going, but most of all it was a holiday.

Angela Walker: 4:07

And so how long had you been out there visiting your friend when the tsunami hit?

Ani Naqvi: 4:14

So I arrived in Sri Lanka around the 22nd or the 23rd of December and made my way over to Aragon Bay, which is the place where I was spending Christmas on the east coast by the 23rd, I would say, and obviously the tsunami hit on Boxing Day, which is the 26th of December.

Angela Walker: 4:36

Wow. So you've just been out there for a couple of days, you're seeing your friend, you're looking forward to spending some time together, and was there any warning? Was there any point where you knew that this kind of disaster was coming? There was going to be some bad weather? What was the kind of atmosphere? Did you know anything was coming your way?

Ani Naqvi: 4:58

Absolutely not. It was a beautiful paradise kind of island sort of. You know. Up until then it was a beautiful paradise island sort of holiday. The weather was great. Even though it's it's a bit supposed to be monsoon in that part of the um island, it wasn't monsoon. The, the days were dry, bright sunshine, 30 degrees, um, blue blue seas. You know it was gorgeous. It was just, you know, a beautiful paradise island beach holiday and, um, you know, I remember on christmas eve I was helping put the decorations up in the hotel, putting all the tinsel up and everything.

Ani Naqvi: 5:34

You know we were very excited. This was her first year of being open for christmas and I was very happy to be there with her and to help her get set up and everything. The the hotel was full as well, so you know she was completely full with guests and yeah, it was just really fun. We were on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. We were just having a really lovely time. You know her partner was a guitar player, so we were all sitting around, you know, on the beach kind of you know, guitar player. So we were all sitting around, you know, on the beach kind of you know, jamming and just having a lovely time, there was absolutely no clue of what was about to happen.

Angela Walker: 6:13

Gosh, it just sounds like there you are on this holiday paradise island, and then you know it's almost like something out of the movies, isn't't it? Then disaster strikes. What happened at the moment the tsunami hit? Was there any like build up in the minutes before or talk us through what happened?

Ani Naqvi: 6:34

So there may, there was, of course, there was build up in the moments before. However, I was not aware of any of that because I was asleep in my hut. Still, you know it was still. It hit quite early in the morning, you know, about eight, between eight and nine in the morning. It's the day after Christmas, so I was, you know, a little bit worse for wear, stayed up late, you know. So you know, wasn't expecting to get up early. On Boxing Day morning, my friend told me, because she was in the restaurant at the time, that was happening. So she told me that one of the guests, who was also another journalist, had turned around to her and said is that normal, sri? And she looked out to the ocean and basically the water was kind of like all bunching up, basically, you know, kind of coming up, but you couldn't quite see it was a tsunami just yet. But he obviously clocked that it was a tsunami because she said, no, that's not normal, he was a journalist, and so he he had, you know, prior knowledge that this looked like a tsunami, and so he actually, I think, started to say tsunami and um, and that's when they all started to move around.

Ani Naqvi: 7:45

Now, for me, the experience is very different. So what happened for me is, first of all, you know, in between my sort of sleep, I heard this kind of ruckus going on outside and people, that guy shouting, basically, and I was thinking, why is he shouting? You know, it's like Christmas, it's like why is anybody having a? Yeah, I thought somebody's having an argument, or I just couldn't quite figure it out, and these are kind of muffled sounds and everything. And then what happened was that my door flung open to my hut and so, of course, I instantly turned around in bed to see water flooding in. At first I saw water flooding in. At first I saw water flooding in at knee height and then, in the split second, I thought, oh my god, my passport, which was on a piece of furniture next to the door, the whole hut filled with water. So I, there was obviously the kind of the, the water, the surge of water that was coming in with the tsunami.

Ani Naqvi: 8:41

But then you've got the kind of the wave, the, the crest, that that kind of hits completely right. So when that crest hit, which was literally just a second or so after the door being opened, the whole, um, the wave started to come in from all different, all of the windows and the doors that it could come into, and it was this thundering powerhouse of black water. So you couldn't even see. So all the light that had come in from when the door had opened originally was now completely sucked out, because you're completely underwater and this wave has submerged everything in this inky black darkness that you cannot see. And then you're like. You know you're like, you're underwater, you're drowning, and it felt like being a grain of rice in a washing machine. You are the insignificant grain of rice, but you're in this massive maelstrom of water that is. You know that you're tumbling around in just like you would in a washing machine. That's the best way I can describe what it felt like to be in that tsunami Sounds absolutely terrifying machine.

Angela Walker: 9:43

That's the best way I can describe what it felt like to be in that tsunami sounds absolutely terrifying, and we know now that those waves were traveling at like 500 miles per hour across the indian ocean, at the speed of a jet plane. So here you are, you're in your cabin and the water's come in. You're being swept around in this dark, inky water. As you said, what were you thinking? What was going through your head?

Ani Naqvi: 10:11

panic mostly, and also the thought that I was going to die. You know, that was the first time I thought I was going to die. You know, my life flashed before my eyes and it was funny because all of the things that I talked about that I had already achieved in my life, all the success and the financial success, all that kind of thing, none of that mattered in those moments. The only thing that I was thinking was I can't believe I'm going to die and I haven't truly lived right. So I felt like I was being cheated because I hadn't really fallen in love, I hadn't found, I hadn't gotten married, you know, I hadn't had a family. It's not like I was yearning for those things necessarily. I mean, I wanted those things. But in those moments when you're about to die, you suddenly realize what was really important.

Ani Naqvi: 10:58

And I also remember thinking, and I also remember my intuition at that point saying to me remember this moment, annie, you do not want to die, because this depression, this on-off depression I'd been having, you know, kind of sometimes made me feel like I didn't really want to be here or something. But in those moments I could tell how much I was fighting. And so I said. You know, I said to myself remember this moment because you don't want to die. And actually that memory held me whilst I suffered from PTSD after the tsunami as well, like I would come back to that memory and I'd be like, okay, so you don't really want to die, but this is a tough time you're going through, sort of thing.

Angela Walker: 11:42

You said earlier that your life flashed before your eyes, and we hear that from survivors of disasters and people who've had like near-death experiences. What does that mean for you, when you say your life flashed before your eyes?

Ani Naqvi: 11:59

so you're kind of all the, the memories of, of specific times in your life kind of flash up for you right and um, and then the. The feeling that I had was this feeling of dying without having truly lived, okay. So it was like a feeling of regret, of I can't believe I'm going to die without having truly lived. So you're kind of just. It's like I can't even describe it very well. To be honest. You go back in different flashes of your life, different scenes of your life literally flash up in front of you kind of thing, all the way from present down to when you're a child. Yeah, um, and you might be images of you when you were a little child, you know with family and you know big moments and things like that in your life as well, meaningful moments in your life. So that's what I mean by life flashed before my eyes. So I hope that makes sense it's so interesting, isn't it?

Angela Walker: 12:59

and I wonder what it is about the human brain that does that to us, in that moment of panic that all of these special memories, like, are there for us to, to, to think about, in that, when there's so much going on, you know, in that moment, when you're so, I guess you're thinking how do I get out of here? How did you escape from that cabin that was full of water, annie?

Ani Naqvi: 13:23

So I wasn't really, I didn't really escape the, but luckily, the um, the tsunami just destroyed everything in its path.

Ani Naqvi: 13:30

Yeah, it flattened everything for miles. So eventually the hut began to disintegrate, um, even though it was a concrete hut, and I kind of in those moments regretted not being in a kind of like in a wooden hut, because obviously that would have disintegrated a lot faster than a concrete hut would have done. But it eventually disintegrated and as it started to disintegrate, you know, little shards of light started to come through from little holes that were being made in the building and then eventually the whole building collapsed and I was kind of washed inland with the tsunami, um, so that's how I managed to get out of the hut. It was just pure luck, and you know that I just was one of the fortunate ones in the sense that, um, that because I was literally about to drown just before that hut started to disintegrate, and I was because I was thinking, oh my god, I'm going to die in this dark, dindy hut, and um, and then obviously it started to disintegrate and I got washed inland with the tsunami.

Angela Walker: 14:28

My goodness um what was happening. Your friend, you said, had been in the kitchen of the hotel. What happened to your friend?

Ani Naqvi: 14:39

so she was. Um, she was serving in the restaurant at the time, which was right on the beach front. So obviously, when they saw the tsunami, um, she ran to go and get her husband, uh, who was in one of the it was in the opposite, mine actually, and she was about to come to me, but there just wasn't time and he just grabbed her hand and said we've got to run. Um, and she described seeing that tsunami literally kind of you know, big, massive tsunami kicking at their heels, and obviously they went under the tsunami as well, they got caught up in it as well.

Ani Naqvi: 15:10

Um, but when I was in the tsunami getting washed inland, I was lucky that I saw them. They'd managed to grab hold of something or something and they were standing on something. It was either a kind of a roof of a building or I can't remember exactly what it was, but they were standing on something as I was being washed past. Because obviously my first concern was for her, because she was pregnant at the time. So so when I saw her and the husband there, her partner there, I I felt relief, you know, okay. So she's okay and so is, so is Wayne. And now I've just got to sort of try and sort.

Ani Naqvi: 15:52

You know, sort myself out, not that there was anything that just brought out, actually, because you couldn't do anything. As you say, it was running at such fast speeds. People say to me could you swim? No, you can't swim, it's so fast, you're being literally thrown along with the water. And um, and I just got very lucky in that I got thrown into the path of a tree. That saved my life essentially because I just held on to that tree for dear life and you know, and that kind of saved me. Otherwise I was going to hurtle into the jungle and get knocked out by something. Gosh.

Angela Walker: 16:30

And then when the dust settles, I guess when the water receded, you're in the middle of a disaster zone. It's just carnage. What was it like looking around? Was there a moment when you know the waters went back and then you just were, like you know, managed to look around and see what happened in the aftermath?

Ani Naqvi: 16:52

Yeah, so, basically, you know, the water eventually sucked back out to the sea again and, uh, but it still kind of left you with chest height water, so you're still, you know, fairly submerged in the water, but it's no longer going over your head anymore. So at that point, when it gets sucked out, um, obviously we didn't know about tsunamis then, so we didn't, I didn't know that a tsunami sucks in and sucks out and then comes back in again and all that kind of thing, right. So, um, my only thought you know, and I and you know by by now, when, the, when the water goes back out again, there's this kind of almost eerie silence, right and um, and then there's like all the discombobulated voices of people calling out for their loved ones. You just start to hear these voices like they sound ghost-like. Yeah, but I could still see my friends in the distance.

Ani Naqvi: 17:44

So my only thought was I need to get to Sri and Wayne. I need to get to Sri and Wayne. And obviously you're in complete and utter shock, because one minute you're fast asleep, the next minute you're underwater and drowning, fighting for your life. The next second you're being hurtled at ridiculous speeds inland by this massive wave and you've got all these dead bodies in the water next to you. So you're completely and utterly, you know, in panic survival mode, having no, disorientated, having no idea about what's happened. You know, completely in shock. Yeah, so it was. It was really kind of full-on, um, and yeah, at first you're just in shock, to be honest, and uh, all I could think was I need to get to my friends and I guess so you're going to like autopilot.

Angela Walker: 18:39

And you managed to get over to Sri and Wayne, do you? And then what happens after that?

Ani Naqvi: 19:16

yeah, so, um, so the thing is is Wayne had managed to sustain quite a big injury on his arm, so he was very adamant about going back to the hotel to get the first aid kit. Um, I was too much in shock to to to say or do anything, really, and sheree was the only one that sort of seemed to have any sense of, uh, decorum around her, you know, and she was actually saying there is no hotel, there is no first aid kit. But because we were all in shock, he, he was also in his shock and he was like we've got to get to the hotel, we've got to get first aid kit. So we just blindly started to follow him back towards the shore and, um, you know, I was just happy to be with my friend. He was like a six foot five guy, right. So you, I don't know, you just have this feeling where he knows what he's talking about, he's big and you know he's, he's a man, he's taking control?

Ani Naqvi: 20:14

yeah, exactly, and then obviously we didn't realize at the time. But that was exactly the wrong thing to do, because we very nearly got caught up in the second tsunami, um, as a result of of uh trying to get back to shore my goodness.

Angela Walker: 20:30

And what happened in the days and weeks after that.

Ani Naqvi: 20:32

Then annie well, I mean um, you know well it was, you know there was. It was so much to go through. Um, the days afterwards I, you know I'd met this guy on on the um hilltop that had um, he used to do a segment on the Oprah Winfrey show. At the time I didn't know who he was, but we became very close during that sort of week that we were kind of together stranded in Aragon Bay and then when we got airlifted a couple of days later and then we also made it back to Colombo and stayed together as well. So we'd become very close.

Ani Naqvi: 21:15

And he actually called me in the new year once we'd gotten back. He actually also bought the flights for us all to go back to our home countries as well. And he called me in the new year and he said look, we're doing a show on the Oprah Winfrey show. She wants to do the Tsunami Special Program. Obviously she wants to feature me as one of the main parts of the story. And because he did lose his partner during the tsunami. And he said you know, I really want you to come on the show and tell your part of the story, because I ended up organizing the relief effort by remembering the number of the BBC switchboard from working there five years before. And that's how we managed to get airlifted the following day, um, so he invited me onto the Oprah Winfrey show, which you know I wasn't mad keen on because I was very, very uh in PTSD. You know I was completely and utterly traumatized and um, but he sort of said to me, you know, first of all it was great to hear from him and secondly I knew that I wanted to see him and the other people that I'd been um in the tsunami with, that he'd also invited on the show. But he also then said you know, we're going to be, it's going to be a fundraiser and all the money is going to go to Aragon Bay. And so that was what really swung. It for me was because I knew how just devastated Aragon Bay had been by the tsunami. You know, when we got airlifted out you could see everything was flat as a pancake for miles around. Not a single building was left in sight. So I ended up going to Chicago. They ended up, you know, flying me out to Chicago for the show, not long, you know, not long after tsunami, um, in sort of middle of January, and it was really nice to see Nate again and also to see Anni and Stefan, who were the couple that were in the hut next to mine, and, uh, and the other survivors from the tsunami as well.

Ani Naqvi: 23:11

So but yeah, when I got back from that, you know the kind of the PTSD kicked in. In fact, a couple of months later, you know, I had all my wounds were infected. I had the Camper helicopter bacterial virus I can't remember the Pylori virus or whatever, which is like a food poisoning virus that I got from ingesting the dirty water, and then I also got something called Bell's palsy, which is one side of your face gets paralyzed. So I woke up one morning thinking I'd had a stroke, because one side of my whole face was paralyzed, I was sort of drooling, and this was also as a result of the stress of the tsunami as well. So it took some time to get myself back together again.

Ani Naqvi: 23:57

I ended up having to leave work at the time because I just couldn't. I just couldn't focus on anything. It just seems so pointless after. You know, after being in a tsunami, being a program manager, it felt really pointless, like what's the point of doing these spreadsheets and these project reviews and this, and that it. Just it felt so meaningless after you've had this massive, you know kind of like near-death experience essentially and um, and I and I was, and I was lucky because I did get some really great kind of psychotherapy counseling from the one of the psychotherapists.

Ani Naqvi: 24:34

He specialised in doing natural disasters and working with people that had been in natural disasters. He also specialised in working with prisoners that had been released out of Guantanamo Bay. So he was very good at what he did and my flatmate at the time she organised for me to see him and get some, you know, therapy and stuff to to deal with the the after effects of the tsunami. But it did last for some time and I couldn't really properly function, I would say. I mean, I didn't get a job for sort of nine months after I got a job in like September, october that year, because it took me that long to sort of to get myself back together again.

Angela Walker: 25:17

Really, it just shows, doesn't it, that you know your life can change in an instant. And you know one minute you're out having a holiday with your you know, with your best friend, on a paradise island. The next minute you know you've survived this huge and then you're back home in London and I mean you've it triggered in you PTSD. You said like what, what was it? You've got your Bell's palsy. You know you're feeling depressed. Was there a moment where you kind of came out of that and you realize I okay, I'm gonna be okay now? Do you remember? Or was it a very gradual transition? How was your like recovery?

Ani Naqvi: 26:05

I would say it was a gradual transition. However, when I had been on the Oprah Winfrey show and Oprah was interviewing me, I'd said to her I know that there must be something that I have to do here, which is why I survived, because I believe that when the soul has completed its journey, then it kind of moves on. So the fact that I was still around meant that I felt like my soul hadn't completed its journey and that, whatever you know, there was still stuff that I was here to do. And so I sort of made this pledge and said you know, we owe it to the people that didn't make it to make most of our lives and make our lives mean something, because the survivor guilt of surviving something where almost a quarter of a million people have died but you have not, is something that you cannot describe to people. There's a huge sense of responsibility and a weight and a guilt that you have about how you survived when you know people that were ripped apart, families ripped apart partners, lost partners.

Ani Naqvi: 27:10

I felt like I was undeserving of that second chance in some respects because I was. I was like I'm single, I don't have a family, I don't have kids that I'm leaving behind, like I didn't feel like I deserved to have been saved, right. Obviously I changed that. That there's. You know I don't believe that anymore, but at that time that's why that's how I felt.

Ani Naqvi: 27:33

But that survivor guilt actually was the thing that kind of propelled me, because it gave me this sense of this kind of mission, this sense of needing to find this purpose that I was looking for and this sort of desire to make my life, you know, mean something and count for something in honor of the people that had died, yeah, so I wanted to sort of honor their memory by kind of making the most of my, of my life. So I did end up um working for an NGO in Iraq during the war couple of years later, and I also worked for the UK's largest um charity as their head of projects. When I came back from my stint in Iraq, um, but uh, yeah, but I figured out that those weren't the things on my path either. But you know it channeled me to look in that direction.

Angela Walker: 28:27

So it really changed the whole course of your life, actually, didn't it? So, after you'd done your work with the NGOs and you thought this isn't quite what I should be doing, what path did you take then, Annie?

Ani Naqvi: 28:41

Well, you know what? It wasn't really a path I took. It was, again, it was an external, you know, it was a sort of a situation that happened to me. So I got my own cancer diagnosis, essentially, and I sort of spent, you know, the next sort of three to five years on, really kind of healing everything from a mind, body, spirit kind of perspective. I didn't want to do chemo, so I did a lot of holistic therapies and then trained and qualified in those holistic therapies, not with a view to being a therapist at that point, though, just to heal myself. And then my purpose kind of found me, I suppose. So I did heal myself of stage four cancer without doing chemo, and in the process of that journey I'd gotten qualifications as a yoga teacher, yoga therapist, meditation and mindfulness instructor, nlp, ayurveda, acupuncture, reiki, lots of things and hypnotherapy.

Ani Naqvi: 29:40

And what happened was that people, you know and I hadn't gone back to work at this point either so people had sort of started to gravitate to me, people that knew me and my network and stuff and just asking me for support and advice with the things that were going on in their life, because they knew that I'd healed of stage four without doing chemo and um, and I just started to support them with all the kind of the knowledge that I had gained through Ayurveda and yoga, meditation, all these modalities. And actually it was one of those people that I was talking to that I said have you spoken to your therapist about this? And she, she said to me to be honest, the conversations I've been having with you have been much more helpful than my therapist. And that's when I had my light bulb moment of, of course. You've survived a tsunami, you've survived cancer, you've survived three recurrences and a stage four diagnosis and you've come out the other end with all of this knowledge, wisdom, tools, techniques. So it makes sense that you're there to help other people with their challenges and, you know, help them to overcome their challenges so they can live their best life. So, yeah, that's how it found me and I definitely know that that is the right path and that is my purpose, because I feel completely different when I'm doing that work than I've ever felt in my life before. You know, I have a mission to transform the lives of over a quarter of a million people. That's in honor of the same number of people that died in the tsunami um.

Ani Naqvi: 31:08

I've written a book about my experiences. I have um. You know I do a lot of um corporate mental fitness training, as well as group coaching and one-to-one coaching. I also do public speaking, talking about my story and the lessons I learned from that.

Ani Naqvi: 31:25

You know, I very much believe that life is happening for you and through you, rather than to you, and that your soul is choosing your journey. And I believe that my soul chose an exceptionally challenging journey. You know, it took me 15 years, from the tsunami, to really work out how to do that. Yeah, and so these things aren't an overnight success. They take time and you have to work hard at these things.

Ani Naqvi: 31:53

But the thing is, is the harder your life? I believe that you should think of yourself as blessed because your soul has decided that you're strong enough to be able to handle those things. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and I get that it's difficult for a lot of people. It was difficult for me. I suffered from depression because of these circumstances in my own life for many, many years years, and so I definitely have walked that path and have felt all of those things. I've been very victimized by all the experiences of my life, but I don't feel like that anymore because I've now managed to transform them and you know heal from them and you know I use those as my superpowers to help other people.

Angela Walker: 32:40

Well, it's been really fascinating to hear from you, Annie. Where can people find out more about you and your experiences?

Ani Naqvi: 32:48

Yeah, so come and find me on my socials. You can find me on Instagram, linkedin and Facebook my name is Annie Nakvi, or AnnieNakvi, in all of those social media handles and also come and check out my website, ultimateresultsgroupcom. And you know, if you want to book a call with me and to talk about how I can help you through whatever's going on with your life, then that's where you'll be able to find me. You know, dm me or book a call through the website thank you so much, thank you, thank you.

Angela Walker: 33:23

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