42. What is Fromcast - Season 2, Episode 10 "Once Upon a time" Season Finale

Are you ready for a rollercoaster of emotions as we unpack the thrilling season finale with Alex & Lizzie! We'll explore the heartwarming wedding of Fatima and Ellis, the redemption arc of several characters, and ponder the mystery of Tilly, Jade, and that puzzling music box. Plus, you won't want to miss our rave review of Harold's Emmy-worthy performance.

Join us as we analyze Boyd's quest and the symbolism behind his speech to God, Tabitha's journey to the faraway tree, and her encounter with the enigmatic boy in white. We'll also dive into the significance of the bottle tree and body tree, as well as the show's recurring theme of finding one's true path. And believe us, the shocking twists and turns will have you questioning everything you thought you knew about these characters!

But that's not all! We'll also discuss listener feedback, the limited episode number of modern television, and our thoughts on the future of Baka and Tilly. Plus, we'll touch on our show's poster contest, upcoming interviews, and how you can support our podcast. So sit back, relax, and let's unravel this mind-bending season finale together!

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Speaker 1: 0:02

Hi there.

Speaker 2: 0:03

My name is Hannah Cheromey. This is the What is Fromcast podcast on the podcastica network.

Speaker 1: 0:35

And welcome to the show. My name is Alex and I'm Lizzie, and today we have finally done it. It seems like it's been forever that we started this little project, but we are finally on season two, episode 10,. Once upon a time and we had a jam-packed episode from front to end We laughed, we cried, it was better than cats I don't even know what to say. It's given us a lot of food for thought. It's answered some questions, it's also given us new questions And then it's also done all sorts of things. But before we start, folks, if you guys are loving the podcast because as much as we're making it please don't hesitate to hit the subscribe button, either on the podcast end or on the YouTube end. So if you get that bell every time we have a new episode or new shorts or anything like that, please take advantage of that. Lizzie, what are your first thoughts on this episode?

Speaker 2: 1:47

I will give you my last thought. What the fuck?

Speaker 1: 1:52

Yeah, it was pretty much a what the fuck? kind of moment.

Speaker 2: 1:55

I loved the entire episode and wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 1: 2:05

Yeah, it definitely had some. It definitely tied everything in. We still, like I said, have some questions, we have some new answers, we have some questions for some new answers as well, but the fact is that nobody tied.

Speaker 2: 2:24

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:26

I was very surprised about that.

Speaker 2: 2:31

I don't really think that there's a lot of plot armor, and maybe I'm wrong. Wait a minute, are you talking about just this episode?

Speaker 1: 2:43

No, I just meant in this episode. I thought somebody was going to die.

Speaker 2: 2:46

Tom died.

Speaker 1: 2:47

Yeah, no, i'm just saying I just nobody died usually. Somebody usually dies at the end of the season, or Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 2: 2:57

But I, I, we weren't even left in real. We were left in predicaments, but not like someone hanging on a cliff Where they're right finger left.

Speaker 1: 3:16

One person did die, but he doesn't count because he was a pain in the ass. We're not really going to talk about him. It's like Bruno. But that said, let's go to the happy part of the show. Yeah, because I think that there's a lot of heaviness to this, and there was a nice bow that was put on this last season And there was a nice bow that continued for this season, and it's the love between Fatima and Alice And we have ourselves a little wedding, and when I say little, he was little, it was little, and I loved Alice's proposal last season.

Speaker 2: 4:01

Like only a couple of days have actually happened that have passed since that proposal And I loved that proposal. And what I loved even more was this sweet little wedding. I loved that the window in their loft or whatever it is the attic was framed in flowers with the sunlight coming in. And if you remember back to the beginning, when Fatima is at the window with Julie and she's, you look out there and it's hard to believe that that can be so beautiful. This is so ugly And there they are at that window And it's like windows of possibilities. There is goodness in this world And I just love it. I've loved the whole thing, everything about it.

Speaker 2: 5:07

What she said to him life is a journey through the unknown and through your eyes and mind may sometimes deceive you, but your heart will never lie And that's what her father one of the things her father used to say. And then Boyd is like there's light and dark places and that just triggers Boyd. But it was just she's dressed in this like velour or velvet, whatever that dress was, it probably wasn't hers.

Speaker 1: 5:48

It was, she was hot. She looked good, no, she didn't look good And she was hot. I'm married her. Damn girl. Yeah, you were killing it with that.

Speaker 2: 6:00

It was killing it.

Speaker 1: 6:02

She could stop some traffic with that outfit.

Speaker 2: 6:05

And Ellis was looking pretty good too.

Speaker 1: 6:09

They were looking like a very beautiful couple.

Speaker 2: 6:14

Yeah, very beautiful, and basically their parents were there his father and then Donna, who has been there for Fatima, and I loved that it was a small little wedding. It was like if I ever got married, that's, that would be enough for me, that would be it.

Speaker 1: 6:41

That's definitely the way to go, and you know what They don't? they didn't go into Hawk for it, they got nothing, they got no money anyways to talk about a destination wedding.

Speaker 1: 6:55

Is there definitely a destination type of wedding. That said, we start with where is everybody at? and we've got cicadas in the air, yeah, and we've got Boyd. That starts. It starts out with Boyd at the blue house, because Julie is in that trance. I love the fact how Boyd is talking to Kenny and Kenny wants to be involved And he's like and I love this because he basically told Kenny you know what? You quit, go away, go with the other people upstairs. I need to figure some shit out And you lost. What.

Speaker 2: 7:49

You just got this sense that Boyd was lost.

Speaker 1: 7:51

And he just needed to have a hot second to figure out what he needed to do, and the last thing he needed to do was deal with Kenny's little nonsense. And it's either you're in or you're out, and I really love that because this was a if and when Harold wins the Emmy, he's going to win the Emmy on this episode. I hate to say it, like it took the 10th episode. He said some great speeches and he said some great stuff, but this episode was really would put it over the top- I I to say that I loved this episode would just be saying like I don't know, it just isn't strong enough.

Speaker 2: 8:38

It's not strong enough for how I felt about it.

Speaker 1: 8:43

It was really a great season finale, yeah it did what it needed to do and move the story. Enough, it's a little. You're still thirsty for more and a little homerun reference, and you had some questions. Could they have done a couple of tweaks here and there? Yeah, probably, but at the same time I loved it. I loved it all, and every second, every second.

Speaker 2: 9:10

They that whole music box, cicada thing, cicada thing like they. that could have easily have been a thread to go into the next season And maybe it is but big question that didn't get answered. But they finished that.

Speaker 1: 9:34

It was an interesting thing because I maybe I missed it. I didn't miss it, but I didn't feel the sense of urgency that the characters were, that this was their last day, and I, because I just didn't feel it. I didn't feel it because you know what, i guess I wanted to season three so bad. I didn't even think about the fact that they were all going to die. And maybe because we're just gosh darn invested in this, I was just like.

Speaker 1: 10:08

I'm like and I know I'm getting killed in the chat because two people actually did die Reggie and the poor bastard that was putting the guns away, the the red shirt from.

Speaker 2: 10:23

Yeah, I don't call him by name and I did exactly And I'm sorry. If you want detailed podcasting, we are not exactly the detail or like names, Like we're not always getting it, but I just I forgot what we were talking about.

Speaker 1: 10:45

The bottom line is So this is their, their. Oh my God, sorry I scrambled. So boy gets out and he starts talking to Jade, and I love this little conversation because one thing that boy has done this whole episode was He was collecting information the whole time And Jade said something that was really interesting. He was Because, if you notice, jade had was like clean cut and by the end of this season he was like bushy.

Speaker 2: 11:23

Very bushy, very. David Alcott Al pay is on Instagram right now.

Speaker 1: 11:30

Is he? Ah guys, we're going to cancel this because we're going to watch them now.

Speaker 2: 11:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:36

No, please No. So he's talking about it And I love how he says she should be looking for a prom dress, not lying there, But the thing that he said that was really important was we don't have two pieces to connect. Yeah, we're on the edges.

Speaker 2: 11:55

And who's been calling this the puzzle show.

Speaker 1: 11:58

I don't know. I think it was my podcast partner.

Speaker 2: 12:01

I love that he said that.

Speaker 1: 12:04

It validates the fact that it's a puzzle We actually do know what you're talking about. 90% of the time. It's just that 10% that just sucks.

Speaker 2: 12:13

You're being very generous, you're so wait, folks.

Speaker 1: 12:17

I have to tell this story because it's too ironic. So Lizzie happened to be working today and she was almost have to find another podcast partner for today. I was either going to do it alone or I was going to have to get somebody to pinch in. And she sends me these pictures and I didn't look at it. Did you see the picture? Literally, she had a storm coming home and there was a tree across the road.

Speaker 2: 12:50

Yeah, i'm going to post it on Facebook, but not Facebook Instagram. What was even funny is that there was like it was just me on that road And then I just as I stopped. I wasn't stopped. I was like is this tree actually there? So I'm like I have to take a picture. So I'm taking a picture and then a car starts coming the opposite direction And I'm like, oh my God, it's Jade and Toby, it's Jade and Toby. Two cars are coming today.

Speaker 1: 13:30

Oh God, poor Toby, that bastard. Anyway, as Boyd is collecting this information today, his first piece was with Jade. Okay, then he realizes that he needs to go see Sarah, and I love how they keep breaking it up. And I'm going to jump around a little tonight because we're not as organized as we normally are, because we both had to work. It's my fault, we both had to work and it was just Yeah.

Speaker 2: 14:07

But I knew I had to work today and I knew I had a short day yesterday. So I we have the screeners and, honest to God, what we have done all season. We have had all the episodes. We could have zipped ahead and known for weeks what happened in the finale, but Alex and I did not do that.

Speaker 1: 14:35

Except for one time somebody did, but we're not going to remember that.

Speaker 2: 14:38

Oh no, that was only like the day before the podcast. I didn't go like far ahead.

Speaker 1: 14:44

No, you didn't go far ahead.

Speaker 2: 14:47

And I regretted it And you should have. Yeah, you helped me regret it, but at any rate, we didn't watch the next episode until after we podcasted And we were on a mega diet.

Speaker 1: 15:06

We have really big willpower And so had more willpower in the rest of my life.

Speaker 2: 15:12

Yeah. I know, so I'm at work. yesterday I tried to watch the show because what I do is I watch it once right after we podcast. So do I?

Speaker 1: 15:21

later in the week.

Speaker 2: 15:24

I usually on Sundays, i will watch the episode again, and then the third time through, that's when I take my notes, and so I could not God everyone's on there. I could not watch it yesterday, i could not get access to the episodes. So I'm at work and I'm like my kid has one scene, i'll be home early. And no, no, i did not get home until just after eight o'clock and I'm sitting there. What was it? nine might have been closer than nine, and I'm sitting there and I'm like, all right, i'm going to watch this episode, i'm going to get the notes done. And the thing about it is my notes are consistent for colors. This time it's all red.

Speaker 1: 16:13

All right, so let's get back to what we're here for. Yeah, because we have the Corpse Collection Committee for Randall and I love that. I love this scene for so many reasons. It's got our two favorite people. It's got Liz and her husband, Cliff slash Dale, And for me, for Elgin is just like what the fuck.

Speaker 2: 16:41

At least Donna likes Elgin.

Speaker 1: 16:44

Yes.

Speaker 2: 16:45

At least there's that. That's good. But no one likes Randall and they're wondering why they're out there looking. and Donna's like I wouldn't leave you out here. She says to Dale, i wouldn't leave you out here, i'd come out and get you At least as much of a jerk that Randall is. she doesn't want to see him get torn apart.

Speaker 1: 17:10

I think Randall is a little misguided and he's also a little misunderstood in a way. Looking at the whole piece, the guy's freaking out. Yeah, he's freaking out because of this whole situation. He had a little moment of crazy since he got there and he's just a human, just like anybody else. He's a jerk, he's a total jerk. He's a total jerk, but he still doesn't need to be left on the side of the road.

Speaker 2: 17:44

No, I would have gone out to get him. Even if I didn't want to, I would have gone out to get him.

Speaker 1: 17:49

And they found out real quick that he's not dead. But he's not dead.

Speaker 2: 17:55

You know what Someone this week somewhere said that Paula might have still been alive.

Speaker 1: 18:04

No.

Speaker 2: 18:05

I don't know how she could have been, but they said they saw it and I never had time to go back and look. But the thing about it is that now we know They talked about her.

Speaker 1: 18:15

They talked about burying her.

Speaker 2: 18:16

Yeah, exactly, but maybe she died later. I don't know. I never went back to look So I don't know. But it was very clear by the end of the episode that the three were Randall, julie and Mariel, that maybe Paula was.

Speaker 1: 18:37

See, and that's the one thing that I got an issue with, just with the storyline is Was that foreshadowing? What was that Like? what was Paula's death in terms of the bigger story? Because it sounded like it would be. She should have been one of the three, but clearly she wasn't, because she wasn't chained up and she was dead.

Speaker 2: 19:04

Maybe it was to just make you wonder Well, yeah, just settle that.

Speaker 1: 19:11

I'm going to tell you right now I know we've talked about this before After talking to my wife. She's a big loss fan and she told me it's a lot. It has a lot of patterns, obviously, with the writer and director, something. I think there's more red herrings than not, and I'm not. It's not a debate in terms of what's a red herring and what isn't, i'm just saying I think that certain things are just there, like we never talked about the dates because they were never brought up, remember we did talk about.

Speaker 1: 19:48

The point being is. My point being is it's a separate storyline. That isn't really. It's relevant, but we're not sure where it all fits just yet. There's people out there that are have some conspiracy theory Yes, type theories and that's fine And that's wonderful, i'm all for that. But my point being is, right now those dates are not in play in the larger picture right now, yeah, i don't think in the story that we had, which is season two.

Speaker 1: 20:22

That's my point And the last time we saw them was one right and we saw the bottles and there's a lot of stuff that's there. I'm not saying that it's not important, folks. By no means am I saying it's not important. I'm just saying that there's a lot of stuff that can happen.

Speaker 2: 20:42

Hold on a second. Help me remember. Now we know that when Boyd and Sarah were out in the woods, didn't they see the bottle tree? They saw the bottle tree right.

Speaker 1: 20:58

Yeah, they saw the bottle tree first. That's where we first saw the bottle tree.

Speaker 2: 21:01

No, wait a minute. When Jade and Jim were out at that tree trying to put the antenna up higher, weren't their bottles hanging from the tree? I could be wrong.

Speaker 1: 21:17

I don't remember, i don't remember.

Speaker 2: 21:20

It might have been dead bodies.

Speaker 1: 21:21

Yeah, I think it was. I think it was dead bodies.

Speaker 2: 21:26

You know. So you got the body tree and the bottle tree.

Speaker 1: 21:29

Yeah, we got the body tree and we got the. Yeah, we've got different trees going on here, but my point being, yeah, it's different trees, but again it just comes down to they may come back into play some of this stuff, but right now they're not. And yeah, it was bodies. Yeah, i remember it was bodies. The point being is we had a couple of different things going on, a couple of different red herrings. Whether you believe in the Karamanakal or you believe in the mole, or you believe in either of it or you believe in both of it, i'm not here to judge. I'm just saying that there's a lot going on.

Speaker 2: 22:11

There's a lot going on. There's definitely a lot going on, and I think that this is long haul stuff. You've got to be able to play the long game.

Speaker 1: 22:20

It's definitely a long game type of thing, yeah, so then he goes out with Sarah, right Yeah?

Speaker 2: 22:31

And Kenny.

Speaker 1: 22:32

And Kenny, and the one thing that he said was he says to Sarah this is how you can make things right by doing this, and I think that was really cool that she's trying to get this redemption tour, whether people want her to or not. I totally understand that. She tells Boyd right before when they're talking at the police station do you want me to bury Paul's body? And you look at his face and he's like, oh shoot, i completely forgot about her. I forgot something.

Speaker 2: 23:10

And Sarah wants some redemption too. I think, I think she is a good person.

Speaker 1: 23:53

I think that she's realized that she's not going to die And no matter how much she's trying, she's not dying. Yeah, She wants to be part of this And I think after her talk with Kenny in the police station, she's got a little bit more of a better attitude in herself. I'm saying In herself.

Speaker 2: 24:19

It was like a cleansing or something like that.

Speaker 1: 24:23

I don't know whatever you want to call it, but it was something. But what I find really interesting is that Sarah actually heard the music box and she was the only one that heard it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:37

So she's still connected somehow to the powers that be.

Speaker 1: 24:43

The powers that be exactly.

Speaker 2: 24:45

And she's saying and she, just she had some really crazy things to say. They can. She can hear them screaming. Then her nose starts bleeding and she's got her hands over her ears because something is so loud it hurts. She starts reciting the poem and she's laughing. She says they are laughing at Boyd.

Speaker 1: 25:15

And did you notice the little stranger thing going on when she started getting the bloody nose?

Speaker 2: 25:21

Yeah, I try to put those memories out of my mind.

Speaker 1: 25:24

I didn't mean to use you, but I'm just saying she started getting that bloody nose. She started getting physically ill from it.

Speaker 2: 25:31

Yeah, whatever, it was too strong, like it was in her head Right And that was the physical reaction. But she, she says that Randall, mary, ellen, julie, julie are dying And and that it's once they die it's too late And she's got to do something. She, they've got to make the music stop. And he can't see the music box. But she can hear it, but no one else can hear it. Which? is strange, because all along they've all been hearing it.

Speaker 1: 26:18

And the funny part is Boyd has been the one that's been hearing it the most. She says it's laughing at you for bringing it to town, yeah, which I find really interesting. And I also find it interesting now She's the one that's saying that the music has to. You have to make the music stop. So, yeah, i think that they've done a really good job of tying it back to that first episode. Yeah, that way, yeah, so, that said, we're at a point now where we're going to go back to colony house because Donna's got to get everybody calm down. We're doing all this kind of stuff, and what I find interesting is the first thing she sees is Tilly given the prayer circle. Yeah, now, i know there's about 15,000 different theories on Tilly.

Speaker 1: 27:20

Yeah, Is it Victor's mother? Is it Victor's sister? Is it Victor's this? Is she a spy? Is she this? Is she that She could just be a nosy old lady?

Speaker 2: 27:33

If it was his mother, I think he would have known.

Speaker 1: 27:37

Or she would have known.

Speaker 2: 27:40

Wait a minute, they haven't even seen each other, though.

Speaker 1: 27:43

I don't know Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:44

I don't know. Like her, being his mother, i realize it's not going to be the same actress, or it could be the same actress, but she just doesn't look like it.

Speaker 1: 27:55

It is not. I know for a fact it's not. It's two different actresses, No.

Speaker 2: 27:59

I know they're two different actresses, but it's just. there's nothing about her that's reminiscent of Victor's mom.

Speaker 1: 28:11

Except for the fact I'm sorry, no, i was going to say except for the fact that maybe he's 47. Ha, ha, ha, i'm joking.

Speaker 2: 28:19

Oh God, yeah, That would be something, but it would be interesting that she also ended up back there on the same bus with Mary L. So if anything, i was like maybe it's his sister.

Speaker 1: 28:35

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 28:36

But the age just doesn't seem right. So why don't we follow Jade all the way through his threat.

Speaker 1: 28:45

I'm sorry. You want to go to Jade, okay.

Speaker 2: 28:48

Yeah, let's follow him through his threat. We see him on the porch and he seems pretty bummed out at the beginning And he's talking to Boyd and he's saying there's got to, we've got to have two pieces that connect in order to solve this jigsaw puzzle. And I was like, yes, the writers hurt me as a puzzle show, so I was pretty happy about that, but he's afraid to go, even if it makes a difference. Oh, wait a minute. So he's in the bar, like afterwards. He's in the bar, he's breaking up all this glass and he's trying to find a pattern. He's trying to find two pieces that fit together in all that chaos. For whatever reason, he keeps going back to the glass, and What I'm thinking is that glass tends to be see-through. Right, he's looking at a solution, but he doesn't want to see it. And that's what Tom is telling him. He's saying you already know what you need to do. Instead, you're wasting all this time overthinking it. And he knows. He tells Jade, you have to go down into those tunnels, but you're afraid to go down into those tunnels and you can't blame him.

Speaker 2: 30:17

Tom brings up some of the things that Tom talks about. It's not Tom, we didn't even know Tom that well, but it's more sounds like Jade than it sounds like Tom. Like natural design, nature puts what's most precious in spots that are difficult to reach, so trying to protect something that needs to stay viable, why would? if this symbol is so important, why would it be in some place that's easy to get to? Because even when Jade's seeing it, it's not tangible, it's not like he can pick it up and move it and possess it. It is, it's always a vision and it's followed by, or it comes with, someone that's not alive or something like that, something bizarre. And Jade's thought process presents itself, because it knows that Jade is avoiding what he knows and he's doing it out of fear. This is the first time we really see Jade being scared Like. When he shows up, he's like that's the world's best escape room, and then he has. Are you all right?

Speaker 1: 31:43

Yeah, my phone just fell. Oh, okay, just scared the crap out of me, smiley decided to stop by, or something.

Speaker 2: 31:51

Yeah scared me And he knows I don't know like the more he doesn't know the more he gets in.

Speaker 1: 32:04

Yeah, and I love how, when he's at the bar, tom shows up and he just doesn't even recognize that. he's like you're dead right. He's like, yeah, are you gonna ask me why I'm here? Yeah, you're just probably part of my psychosis, and that moves on. Yeah, jade makes a very good point about the caves, though.

Speaker 2: 32:27

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 32:28

That's a scary thought to go in those caves.

Speaker 2: 32:31

Well, yeah.

Speaker 1: 32:33

And the other thing about the caves, since we've been talking about them, because a couple of things happen there. One is he sees the dummy.

Speaker 2: 32:42

Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1: 32:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:47

Yeah, because the thing is that Tom, the Tom version of Jade's brain, is saying nothing about this place is natural, because what Jade is counting on is that it's almost like in the real world. he's got everything figured out Because everything is very patterned. A always goes to be, always goes to see, but in this place it doesn't actually do that. You put an antenna high up in the sky, you're going to be able to get a signal, right. So the thing is nothing about this place is familiar.

Speaker 2: 33:29

It's telling Jade he has to go back into almost like his genius spot and open himself up and look at this problem anew. Like his entire life of problem solving and coming up with these brilliant ideas, it's all been things that have stacked on and on with things that he could easily solve. This is really a real problem. It's a real puzzle for him. Like I looked it up but I didn't see anything about the trolley problem, but I did see something about determinism. So he ends up at the tunnels. everything's a system, everything's connected and he goes into the tunnel and he doesn't get stupid going into the tunnel because he goes in with a string. So he's got his trail of breadcrumbs to get back out And his bike.

Speaker 2: 34:32

Yeah, he rides up on the bike and he sees the thing. that kind of terrifies him. He sees the dummy And you know the dummy was at the beginning of the season and it didn't make a lot of sense. But if you think about it, what did he see? He saw the symbol and he saw the dummy together. And here he is. he's looking for the symbol. There's the dummy, okay.

Speaker 5: 34:59

I don't know what to say because I don't know what the hell it all means.

Speaker 1: 35:05

So I mean I know, but no, but what was interesting about that was that cave scene was there was no monsters. Where the hell are they?

Speaker 2: 35:15

Yeah, I also remember, you remember Victor kept saying to Tavisa you got to be quiet, you're going to wake him up, you're going to wake him up. He did not go in there quietly, he was just like Bowlin China shops smash bang, but they're making the noise. I thought it was me for a second.

Speaker 1: 35:35

And like the cages were empty. They had two cages that were empty, and then he's looking.

Speaker 2: 35:40

Talking about where the kids were.

Speaker 1: 35:42

Yeah, where the kids?

Speaker 2: 35:43

Okay, yeah, they were empty.

Speaker 1: 35:46

Oh wait, i just want to post this because Lisa said something Okay there's along with what we're doing about the trolley problem.

Speaker 2: 35:54

It's a series of experiments in ethical psychology, involving stylized ethical dilemmas of whether to sacrifice one person to save a larger number. It reminded me, like the trolley the trolley problem when he said that. it reminded me of that boat problem where you have to get all the natives from one side of the lake to the other side but you have to have three people in the boat all the time, or something like that, something weird, And I hated that kind of problem. I hated it. I was like I know there's a solution to this, but I feel too stupid to solve it.

Speaker 1: 36:42

Now, now just to go down this rabbit hole a little bit. So Jade's in there and all of a sudden he hears the Akkuli, akkuli and the sound in the world, and next thing you know, he sees seven bodies. And if you look up and again, this is a big stretch, so just hear me out It shows the symbol, right?

Speaker 2: 37:10

But wait a minute, back it up, Remember before, before he I think it's before he sees the kids he flashes on the ceiling and there's nothing there And then he starts hearing Akkuli, Akkuli.

Speaker 3: 37:24

Okay.

Speaker 2: 37:26

And then he looks up and there's the symbol in like roots.

Speaker 1: 37:31

When you look at the symbol, you can notice a couple of things. What? do we know One is one is it's four branches. Again, you can go on a deep dive with this. You can also go on a deep dive that the symbol looked like. It said 47. The way it was kind of tradition, and if it was a four then you got the seven. Kids still don't know what that means. It just keeps coming up.

Speaker 2: 38:02

Oh, i meant to look up 11 this week And I just did not have a chance Like I had. I don't want to say I had to go back to work, but I enjoy going to work, so I was happy to go back to work, but I haven't had a moment to breathe.

Speaker 1: 38:19

But, like I said, there's a lot of deep dives you can do with that, yeah, and then what's interesting about Jade's stories? it just stops. So right now he is in the cave and, yeah, they're going to probably pick him up with.

Speaker 2: 38:38

Did you see? because like he sees that and then he looks down and the kids are gone, because it's like there's seven kids surrounding him on deuses, and then when he looks up again, the roof is closed. Yeah, it's closed And it looks like it did the first time he looked. And then we see him and there was something on the ground, but I don't know what it was. Like it was this orange thing.

Speaker 1: 39:07

Yeah, was it a ball? Did you guys pick that up? I know the carbonacle probably did Like the room was empty And then there was that orange thing that was on the ground and it could have been the rope. It could have been the rope. Now you think about it.

Speaker 2: 39:21

Oh, it was. He put it down because it was like his was a ball, so that must have been what it was Yeah, You know what Oh?

Speaker 1: 39:29

thanks so much for stopping by there So many shows. There's another podcast that does stuff. Oh, they're here Yeah they're here Oh.

Speaker 1: 39:38

Tracy, Hi, Hi Tracy Yeah it was the string And you know what. Now that, as I'm saying it, it makes more sense. But at the time I was like what is that orange thing? Yeah, but exactly. But that said, like I said, we've got the dolls, we've got seven kids, we've got the symbol, we've got uncouly, it's like, it's like something from a really bad joke. Yeah, they all walk into a bar. And another question that maybe the listeners have why were they in that circle? There's just a whole bunch. I can't see all the comments. The reason why, lisa, is we're on a couple of different platforms. We're on Facebook for personal as well as we're on Facebook for PICASTICA, and then we're on our YouTube feed for us and then the YouTube feed for PICASTICA. So, depending on where you're at, where you're watching this, you might not get all the feeds. I'm sorry, lisa, it's just one of the quirks of live streaming, but we will just answer this question.

Speaker 1: 40:53

No, she just said. she just said she can't see all the comments and that she's a newbie. So I'm like, oh and Lisa, i'm a newbie too. It's like the first time I've done this, so I don't know what I'm doing either. The comments So until you put them up. Here's a question I do want to actually throw this out to you. I know, i know I don't want to put a wrench into what your your your thought process, but what was the purpose of the title once upon a time, you think?

Speaker 2: 41:25

Oh, was that the name of the episode?

Speaker 1: 41:29

That was the name of the title once upon a time.

Speaker 2: 41:31

For some reason, I thought it was referring to the show once upon a time. So once upon a time in this faraway land, that's what I think. Once upon a time in a faraway land there was because wait a minute, isn't that how a quest starts? once upon a time in a faraway land, There was someone that was trying to get home because Wizard of Oz. She's no I guess?

Speaker 1: 42:08

I guess they're trying to play on the last part of the episode which we're going to talk about, when Tabitha potentially gets back to reality. What the fuck? We're still not going to talk about that yet.

Speaker 2: 42:22

But yeah, that and it could be right It could.

Speaker 1: 42:28

Cine also says it could be a tie into the other show once upon a time which he was a part of. You know who.

Speaker 2: 42:38

David Alpay.

Speaker 1: 42:40

No, ian, ian.

Speaker 2: 42:42

Oh, ian, yeah, Okay.

Speaker 1: 42:44

Ian was part of that But and there's a lot of the same people that are commingling and whatever else. But that said, I do want to get back to Boyd and his quest a little bit.

Speaker 2: 42:59

I want to talk about Boyd.

Speaker 1: 43:01

And I think After he sees Sarah and Kenny he has to have a heart to heart with himself and he only loves doing that at the church.

Speaker 2: 43:14

And because you think that you have someone to bounce your ideas off of.

Speaker 1: 43:20

I'm going to say right now and I'd love to hear the people that are hear thoughts If he wins the Emmy, it's because of the speech It was. He was fighting with God.

Speaker 2: 43:37

And I always love a good fight with God.

Speaker 1: 43:40

I mean he was absolutely going at it and he was trying to make sense of this And he was cursing, he was doing this, he was doing that. But you know what the best part of all was when Donna came in and said hit that mailbox over could be a federal offense. And I think it's a great way of breaking up the mood of the scene, because he implores God to answer him.

Speaker 2: 44:15

He's saying answer me. And she does.

Speaker 2: 44:18

And that's when Donna comes in And he has kicked over the mailbox and I don't know, do you dive deep on that And you go to the mailman's creed that nothing stops the mail from getting through, or do you look at it tampering with a mailbox as a federal crime, that he's talking to God and he's begging for an answer? Is the problem not of men? I don't know, like there has to be some symbolism and knocking over that mailbox? I just wish I had more time to think about that.

Speaker 1: 45:09

Or it could have just been that he was. It was just a good line that Donna could say for her.

Speaker 2: 45:16

But Donna is God's answer.

Speaker 1: 45:19

Donna is always God's answer.

Speaker 2: 45:22

Because he's begging God for an answer.

Speaker 1: 45:25

Lisa, thank you.

Speaker 2: 45:27

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:28

It's just comic relief, that's it.

Speaker 2: 45:30

Yeah, he's begging God for an answer. So he sends in Donna, faith, hope and love.

Speaker 1: 45:38

So Oh, here's a good one. I like that Messages come through the mailbox.

Speaker 2: 45:46

It's greasy for you.

Speaker 1: 45:48

But I'll tell you right now you might get a message. It doesn't mean you have to like the message, no, but I think that. And what is Donna's message? Donna's message is this Why don't you just take a break from the end of the world, go see your son and your future daughter-in-law get married, have some fun for a couple of seconds and then deal with the end of the world afterwards. So basically, the answer was get your house in order before the end of the world.

Speaker 2: 46:25

There was more, though, because he's saying that there's got to be rules to this, and I think that is the same thing that Jade was fighting with. But there's a natural order to things that if you do, this will happen. It's always going to be that same result What to expect? And Boyd is always about not always about following rules but they are looking for established patterns Like. Established patterns are more a part of nature than random things, but she reminds him that even though you brought all of this back to town, you still gave people more time by putting it in smiley. It all could have been over then, but he put it in smiley and figured out a way to possibly kill those things. He goes to the wedding. We shed some tears of happiness, and then he barely shakes their hands and congratulates them and he's like I'm off.

Speaker 1: 47:46

I believe it's because he had, because Ellis had said something in his speech about light and dark, and that's where he got the idea for getting the torch to go back to.

Speaker 2: 48:01

Yeah, It gave him that idea. Yeah, Because he came out of that cavern or wherever he was light in the dark places, wherever he was with Martin, he came out of there with that torch. So he went back to the tractor trailer and got the torch and he comes upon Reggie And and again, I'm still not recognizing the fact that he died because he's such an ass. I never liked him.

Speaker 1: 48:37

And I never liked him. I am or Paula, I am putting this segment. Reggie's got a gun like the Aerosmith.

Speaker 2: 48:45

Reggie's got a gun.

Speaker 1: 48:48

So it would feel better that you're from Mass.

Speaker 2: 48:51

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 48:53

So Reggie decides, after he slips the throat of the guy, that we can't remember his name because he's a red shirt And he's actually been in a couple of episodes holding the gun.

Speaker 2: 49:04

Oh, he's been in the entire season.

Speaker 1: 49:06

Exactly, and I feel awful that we can't, and we'll have to try to get him on the podcast, just so we can remember his name.

Speaker 2: 49:13

Donna. But the thing that makes me mad is Donna said his name.

Speaker 1: 49:16

Donna says his name and we both are just awful.

Speaker 2: 49:19

And I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 49:20

And, that being said, he slits his wrist, slits his neck, puts him down and then, oh, mattis, thank you.

Speaker 2: 49:32

Mattis.

Speaker 1: 49:32

Okay, all right, i'm saying Mattis gets his throat slit and whatever. And now Reggie is like out for blood because he thinks that Boyd is the reason why this is all happening. Because, exactly because Boyd brought all that back and you know, the guy's been here for like two seconds.

Speaker 2: 49:49

Yeah, he knows everything. But you know what I? he shows up, he ends up shooting Boyd. He gets pissed. He's more pissed than anything else because he messes up his arm and he's pissed. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:06

And he says I'm sorry, i always liked you. Reggie says it And the thing was the powers that be. The puppet master knows Boyd is going to rise to the occasion, so he has to throw in, or the puppet master has to throw in obstacles. Reggie wasn't acting on his own volition. I'm sorry, i always liked you. He doesn't even know Boyd. He's been there two days. They haven't sat down and had a couple of potato vodkas together.

Speaker 1: 50:51

They should have had a D okay.

Speaker 2: 50:54

Yeah, exactly Yeah. And so it was like he was being forced to kill Boyd in order to stop him from going Like. The puppet master wants everyone to die almost, or he just wants to, like, stack the odds so far away from not in Boyd's favor, but he manages to make it like he ends up shooting Reggie twice. Notice how Boyd didn't say I always liked you.

Speaker 1: 51:29

I don't even know you.

Speaker 2: 51:32

And that's why it just makes me think. like the puppet master, i always liked you, i liked watching you. You come in, you start finding stuff, you get the people organized, you give them a sense of hope and meaning and you establish the rules in this town. Now you're coming for me and I don't like it.

Speaker 1: 51:59

Now I want to go fast, i want to fast forward. So he finally gets into the basement, or whatever we want to call this, the catacombs, and going along that same lines, he sees everybody, and then Abby shows up again.

Speaker 2: 52:14

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 52:15

And I love how Boyd justifies everything. He's wait a second. This entity came all the way down, brought you back just so you can talk to me, and she says something that's really interesting. It feeds off of your desire of will Yeah, not your fear. And usually most monsters are all about the fear. Yeah, i don't think Abby's the way Sydney's saying Abby's the worst. I don't think it's really Abby, i think it's. Whatever this monster is creating, it's manifesting. Yeah, it's manifesting.

Speaker 2: 53:02

But Abby talks, the more she starts not sounding like Abby. It's not like we got to know her very well, but there's nuances in the way she is speaking, the words that she's using. You can tell that it is not her anymore. It shows up. It's the perfect personification of how Boyd views Abby. And the more it senses that Boyd is going to break that box, the more it stops sounding like Abby.

Speaker 1: 53:41

Right, you're going to make them hurt worse. You're going to do this, you're going to do that. And, as Martin said, what did Martin say in the first episode? You have to stop the music. Yeah, you've got to stop it. We all criticize. We all criticize. Oh, yeah, no, it is the monster feeling desperate. We can say who threw the rope, who did this, who did that, but I can't wait to do a rewatch from episode one all the way back, because we're going to find, hopefully, great tidbits of a lot of good foreshadowing.

Speaker 2: 54:23

Oh, yeah, there's tons, there is tons. And the times I've gone back to do research for these episodes I'm like, oh my God, i have to go back and see more.

Speaker 1: 54:36

So the last real thing that we need to talk about is Victor and Tabitha.

Speaker 2: 54:44

We haven't even finished. We haven't even finished, boyd.

Speaker 1: 54:48

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry It's 11 something at night and I'm just a little bunch of years.

Speaker 2: 54:55

Oh my God, it's already 11. We've been at it an hour, all right. So, anyway, what ends up happening? Boyd realizes it's not Abby, smashes the box, and then what happens is that Randall wait a minute. While he's down there, he sees Randall, julie and Marielle chained to the walls, and so it makes me wonder where they chained there before. But, at any rate, julie and Marielle, they're screaming, and for the first time, randall can barely utter anything. It was a bit a kill, yeah. He decides that he's going to reject everything that the, the character, the character, the abbey character has said, and he smashes the box. When he does that, it frees Randall, julie and Marielle Julie comforted by her brother and father, marielle comforted by Christie, and Randall wakes up alone. And I felt awful about that.

Speaker 1: 56:15

Yeah, that was kind of sad. That was really kind of sad.

Speaker 2: 56:18

He deserves it, but I felt really bad about that. So Boyd gets out of there and the first thing he sees is the dog. The dog barks and then runs away. I was just like Marielle had one hell of a bad detox.

Speaker 1: 56:37

And I'd love to know what the bigger picture with this friggin dog is. Find out, i hope so. I know there's some theories out there. It'd be just nice to know what all the pieces are. Like you said, having a couple of pages of a book and you don't know what the context is really frustrating. But the nice thing is, yeah, and here's another comment.

Speaker 2: 57:06

I agree, i don't feel bad about Randall waking up alone. I was worried about what he's going to do, but I wonder if he'll be in a different frame of mind. Also, we're not going to find out.

Speaker 1: 57:19

He could be a great asset. He could be a very great asset if he chose to be.

Speaker 2: 57:24

But he doesn't want to.

Speaker 1: 57:27

He's just saying he wants to be a jerk.

Speaker 2: 57:31

Yeah, and there's just something in him that, no, i get it, i totally get it. His fear is what protects him. All right, so let's jump on over to Tabitha. Tabitha is dealing with Julie, with her husband and Ethan, and Julie's a mess And they're screaming. All three are screaming at the same time And they're experiencing all this stuff together, like they're in sync with one another. And then Julie not Julie, tabitha realizes that she needs to go find the tower Because she is thinking about it, and the whole thing with Victor's mom is that she went to save the kids and never did, and so maybe I keep seeing these kids because I'm supposed to go save them. She begs Jim to give her permission to go do this. She I swear I just heard jingling out in my living room. I'm here alone. So she begs Jim to let her go do this, and I never really feel like Jim says go, oh no.

Speaker 1: 59:08

He's terrified because of what happened. Yeah, i saw a spider in the house and the whole place told.

Speaker 2: 59:17

I saw that too. That was awesome.

Speaker 1: 59:20

He's terrified And I think he just wants to keep his family. I know there's been some criticism of Jim And I get that He's like a But she was going to.

Speaker 2: 59:36

I love Jim. He's another problem solver And that's what he was trying to do this season.

Speaker 1: 59:46

No, I get it.

Speaker 2: 59:48

And he had a hard time of it. But I feel like in a show like this not everyone gets to. I don't know be the cromenacle at once.

Speaker 1: 1:00:04

True, but the interesting thing about that was they did start talking about how to solve a problem. And then Victor talks about the bottle tree And he brings up one of his pictures.

Speaker 2: 1:00:22

Yeah, he shows her a picture of the bottle tree. And yeah, because What was it? We already talked about this. Boyd and Sarah saw the bottle tree, correct, okay, because I remember when we first saw it, you could see slips of paper in the bottles.

Speaker 1: 1:00:46

Correct.

Speaker 2: 1:00:47

And it makes me wonder Victor takes her to where the bottle tree is, and the bottle tree is near a faraway tree.

Speaker 1: 1:00:59

And This is a faraway tree.

Speaker 2: 1:01:02

So like, at first they don't see it And then you hear the tinkling of the glass And then it's there. And the thing is like he says he found his mother there.

Speaker 1: 1:01:16

That's something that I think was a very important piece of information, because everybody keeps saying that she's dead or that she disappeared. She didn't disappear, she died, but he has never revealed that.

Speaker 2: 1:01:29

She didn't die And I think she died.

Speaker 1: 1:01:34

And I'll tell you why later.

Speaker 2: 1:01:36

Okay, i'll tell you why later. So anyway, she goes through the faraway tree. So now everyone in that family but Jim have been in a faraway tree. So Jim needs to experience the faraway tree, and so she goes to the faraway tree. She comes out in some bushes, so she goes to the faraway tree, so she goes through the faraway tree. That was the same faraway tree that both Sarah and Boyd went into And the thing was, boyd went to where Martin was And Sarah went back to the town, so it wasn't their fate to go to the tower.

Speaker 1: 1:02:24

And I think that Tabitha has been marked from the beginning to go to the tower, but I had wait. I gotta go back to why do you think his mom isn't dead? when he said she died.

Speaker 2: 1:02:37

I I need to go all the way to the end to tell you that. I fine okay, but Crap, i forgot what.

Speaker 1: 1:02:50

I was gonna you're talking about. You were talking about Boyd and Tabitha and the mother.

Speaker 2: 1:03:00

Well, tabitha brings up. When she's talking to Jim and trying to convince him to let her go, to give her permission to go, she want she says I want to make up for Thomas. Not she doesn't say that verbatim, but what she's saying. I just I keep seeing him on the floor and She wants a do-over. She wants to make up for Thomas because if she can save those kids, then at least she saved a bunch of kids when she lost her son. So anyway, she climbs the stairs. We see the toys I wish you the rope.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

Yeah, we see the rope. I wish we had seen the years carved into it and I think what those years represent is Every time someone has climbed those stairs, like every time. So she climbs the stairs, she hears the kids, she gets to the top and she sees the light. And she looks out And all of a sudden boy in white is standing behind her and he says I'm sorry, i Really am, this is the only way. And he pushes her through the window. And I Think what he's saying This is the only way. This is the only way out of here. I Have to push you through this window. It's gonna suck Like you're falling from a high tower, right. So she wakes up in the hospital bed And I'm like, when I see that she wakes up in the hospital bed, she gets up and then dr Brody comes in and says three days ago Hikers found you in the woods unconscious on the side of a trail. And Then she looks out the window and she's in a little port town.

Speaker 1: 1:05:01

They were in Arizona And now she's in a little port and they're saying, some people are saying that the reflection is a different person on the window. I have to look back. I didn't see that.

Speaker 2: 1:05:11

But yeah, yeah, i didn't even notice. All I saw was the port town.

Speaker 1: 1:05:16

Look like a mystic, look almost like a mystic Connecticut but it's not Connecticut. Yeah, i Don't know, i don't think mystic, this isn't a hospital, i'm just saying it. look like that, that type of place.

Speaker 2: 1:05:27

Yeah, or a Cape Cod or something like that. So Here's my thought. Victor found her, his mom, near the faraway tree. I Don't remember if there was a trail there, but what I was thinking is that His mom made it to the top of the tower. The boy pushed her out, but no one found her. So she died. Because He doesn't say what she looked like when he found her. She could have been lying there with a broken neck. She could have been. She could have, because I, tabitha's got scratches all over her face and stuff like that So she could have died from exposure. Because by the time he finally found her she was dead. We don't know what happened to the sister. There's no word on that. Maybe the sister got out, maybe No one was hiking when the mother, when his mother, fell. That's why I think she's alive.

Speaker 1: 1:06:40

Okay, i'm saying it's a theory, just like anything else.

Speaker 2: 1:06:45

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:06:46

I think that I'm just going by what Victor said, and He said that she was there, so I'm gonna stick with that and Yeah, she was there and he buried her, but I just maybe she was never found and the thing was like the way, i Don't know the way that The boy in white speaks. I'm sorry, i'm really, i really am, but this is the only way like. This is the only way Back to the world. I've got to push you out of this high building. That's the only thing I can, that I can commit to, i think.

Speaker 3: 1:07:27

Okay, I.

Speaker 1: 1:07:30

Don't know. But, man, i don't know, it's just one of those. You could go on for days with this stuff. Yeah, the thing it really could. Um, what other plate do you want to go anywhere else? So Any other?

Speaker 2: 1:07:47

I think I hit everything I wanted to. The only other thing in this made me I really enjoyed this was when Kenny goes to talk to Christie and He's trying to comfort her. He knows he's lost in this whole thing, but he says it's hard to see the sweater when you're only just a thread.

Speaker 1: 1:08:11

Yes, that was a great line.

Speaker 2: 1:08:13

I loved it. Maybe what we did makes it easier for those that come after us and maybe they get out of here get out of here. Like all of humanity has just built on each other. We learn and all of our knowledge stacks so that maybe one day, like we don't have war anymore, we figure out how to get along absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:08:43

I mean, It's gonna definitely be interesting. I would love to just know why these all this collection of people are here. What's the major threat? Yeah, we're not gonna find out but right now. But that's the thing that I'm really concerned, and Yeah me to put a Bow on this, but oh.

Speaker 2: 1:09:05

You know what? there was something else. I'm sorry. Ah, this was what it was. All of their eyes were glazed over. Yeah, like when they were possessed. Did you notice the dummies eyes were glazed.

Speaker 1: 1:09:19

No, I Did not notice that was it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:24

That's all I wanted to say.

Speaker 1: 1:09:27

I'm just saying, i just didn't notice.

Speaker 2: 1:09:28

Yeah, no, that's all right. Just I don't know how I caught it.

Speaker 1: 1:09:32

I think I got lucky, but yeah so I Know a lot of people have had their thoughts about the season and I'd love to hear some of the people in the chat as well as you, what's your thoughts of just this whole season, the way it kind of started and finished, because we've been doing this for ten Sundays now and We haven't. You can look at a bird's-eye view instead of a Micro view right now.

Speaker 2: 1:10:01

Yeah, we've been looking under the microscope. What do you think?

Speaker 1: 1:10:11

There's some things that I wish they could have answered better, just because I want to know. I Think the biggest problem with today's TV is that we only have ten episodes. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:10:24

We had a couple more. I think a couple more would be good. I think one of the great things About streaming is that. Alright, so we have ten episodes versus 2226 episodes, but how often did something drag along?

Speaker 1: 1:10:44

I, i wish we would have found out more about the monster. Whatever this entity is, okay, so it's a music box. They broke the music box. We still don't know what it is.

Speaker 2: 1:11:01

Oh.

Speaker 1: 1:11:02

How is this really?

Speaker 2: 1:11:03

bio. It didn't seem like the bio was working.

Speaker 1: 1:11:08

It's just. And again, i'm not saying it's red herrings. I'm not saying that and I'm not disappointed in any of what happened. No, i'm just saying that I wish they could have given us more, that's all I.

Speaker 2: 1:11:23

Think you're always gonna want exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:11:24

Exactly. Yeah, it's not like it's a criticism. Criticism, i think The the only person I really am and I love the actor, ian Bailey. I just I'm just having a hard time with him this season. He was just annoying to me, but that's okay. Again, it's Your a nine point nine. You gotta find something, i think I.

Speaker 2: 1:11:55

Feel like he was underutilized. I just don't think that.

Speaker 1: 1:12:02

Speaking of underutilized, I think that they underutilized back to They didn't use her at all. It was like what's the point?

Speaker 2: 1:12:10

I Yeah, she came in so strong like Randall was the strongest of the new people. Randall and real and Marielle were out in the front and then I wasn't quite sure what Tilly was doing, because I still don't know what till he's done.

Speaker 2: 1:12:31

She seemed to show up like a road sign here and there, and I think what it is that Bacca and Tilly are building are in building season, so They're getting established and I think that we'll see more from both of them next season, where Randall and Marielle Might have a conjoined storyline with Julie next season maybe so that could be.

Speaker 2: 1:13:04

So they'll all be off on that, but In any show you can only have so many Story packs. But God, we got so much. Victor, it was wonderful. We saw some really agonizing things, for Jade and Tabitha took the spotlight this season. It was Tabitha and Victor.

Speaker 1: 1:13:35

Was the Victor show.

Speaker 2: 1:13:38

Yeah, jim was trying to figure his things out. He was in a lot of pain. It was interesting that Ellis heals really quickly from being stabbed. Ethan healed really quickly from being impaled, but Jim was still a couple days later. He's still limping around.

Speaker 1: 1:14:10

The younger people get the healing faster. I just think that, like Monica said, it kept you on the edge of your seat the entire season. No season is perfect. If you want to put a bow on this, we started at a certain place and we ended on a certain place, and I'm happy. My only question is where is Tabitha? and is Tabitha actually awake or asleep or dead? We haven't answered that. All we know is that she's in a different place than Well, yeah, now we know where we're starting next season.

Speaker 2: 1:14:55

But I enjoyed this season a great deal. I enjoyed going on the fact-finding missions every week. I was pretty annoyed with people like this show is so slow. I'm like you don't get it. If you think it's slow, you don't get it. This is a puzzle show And I think television has developed so much to the point where they're not wasting time, they're not trying to fill 26 episodes. You have 10 episodes where we have got to put everything in there. We can't have a wasted scene. There's no throwaway scenes, none.

Speaker 1: 1:15:42

Well, and people were trying to say that there were, but that wasn't us.

Speaker 2: 1:15:48

It was me trying to figure out Tabitha seeing Marielle in the medicine cabinet, and then the next week I'm like duh.

Speaker 1: 1:16:03

I think I'm ready for some feedback. I don't know about you, but I am definitely ready for some feedback.

Speaker 2: 1:16:08

OK.

Speaker 1: 1:16:10

Unless you have anything else.

Speaker 2: 1:16:13

I am just praying that the writer strike ends like the director's guild settled with AMP TTP. I'm praying that the writers settle quickly so that we can get into season three.

Speaker 1: 1:16:32

That is what I wish for. So you have feedback.

Speaker 2: 1:16:37

I do, but I don't know what I do.

Speaker 1: 1:16:38

All right In the meantime I can do a couple of pieces.

Speaker 2: 1:16:43

Oh, i have it. I have one, ok, fine, i don't know who it comes from, but I know it comes from somebody You can probably tell me in a second, probably Alma. No, i don't think it is Alma. I know Alma sent it, but I don't know where it is And I don't know what. Oh Twist Mom gets to go.

Speaker 1: 1:17:01

Oh wait, stop. This is from Sydney. She's in the chat. Oh yes, Sydney.

Speaker 2: 1:17:05

Yep. Mom gets to go home and ends up leaving her family behind. That is perfectly dark. I feel bad for Jim because Jim's going to think she's dead or something. Abby needs to shut up and move on. Will Tabitha and Victor's mom now? will Tabitha find Victor's mom now in the real world? I assume Victor's mom was released as well back into the real world. Are the kids who need saving also in the real world? and the lighthouse was just another step in the journey to saving them? I think so.

Speaker 1: 1:17:46

All right, i think I got a couple of voicemails. I want to do one first and then we'll get to one of yours. One is from Steve Brown.

Speaker 5: 1:17:56

Hello, what WTF is from? This is Steve, and this is for the season finale of season two, speaking for the audience. We don't understand anything that's going on. It's like a jigsaw puzzle where you have all the pieces and you don't know what the picture looks like and you just got to find pieces that connect. Okay, so that they come, for three is not counting the woman who's dead already. It's counting the three that are now screaming, and this screaming is horrifying. So Sarah's yelling about some entity that Boyd brought back, that touched Kenny's arm, and man, this is getting interesting. At least the daughter stopped screaming, tabitha, and now you want to go? try to find the tower. Come on, okay.

Speaker 5: 1:18:35

And now Jade's talking to more dead people. Dude, just cut that guy's throat, of course. Now is when his flashlight chooses to go out in the tunnel. He dummy again. I just thought you're right, donna. They don't have a priest to marry them and they also have a lawyer in case they get divorced.

Speaker 5: 1:18:52

The worst The on kooie kids and they disappear just like that. Jade, she's not going to be calling you sheriff, she's going to be calling you dad. Always get choked up at TV weddings. I don't cry at real weddings, though. Strange. Oh, shoot out of the from. Okay, corral, reggie just shot Boyd. Boyd shot Reggie dead. Looks like a boy has quite the conundrum here. His dead wife is telling him don't smash the music box. Sarah is saying the music's got to stop for everything to end. I don't know. And now they're screaming again Thanks from. Okay, so it looks like smashing the music box Woke everybody up. There's going to be another shoot. That's going to drop. Come on, wait, where have we seen that dog before? But, boyd, you really got to get back to the tunnel like Christie. Look at that. Buck shot because that's not going to be good. For a while, kid just pushed her out of the and now she's waking up in a hospital. Okay, they seriously got to renew this show for a season three, because man can't wait to hear this one.

Speaker 1: 1:19:55

Thank you so much, steve Brown. As always, you never seem to disappoint. Do you have any more feedback with you or me No. I thought I thought I had messaged you. I emailed you to. all right, let me look. while you're doing that, i'll also play Jody from the international desk.

Speaker 3: 1:20:17

Yes, hi, i'm Lizzie and Alex. It's Jody from Australia here to watch from season two, episode 10. So winter has kicked in pretty hard here in camera and in my nest on my couch hitting play for the episode. I'm so excited. I can't wait. I will see you on the other side, hopefully with some good feedback. Okay guys, oh my gosh, that was thrilling. Okay, here's my feedback. So we've got three people down with cicada comas. I don't think that's going anywhere good.

Speaker 3: 1:20:47

Like initially, i felt like in the beginning of the episode we really needed to find that music box. That was the lynchpin. And when Sarah's lini chain started giving us information, this time I was so hoping Boyd could work it out and he absolutely did. I'm so glad. Just throwing the music box totally worked. It was wonderful. Oh, well done, boyd, well done.

Speaker 3: 1:21:10

And when I saw Tom the bartender pop up again behind Jade, i literally said what the fuck allowed? because I was like he's back. But no, he wasn't back. Jade was just hallucinating. Just on Jade. I love that he started caring about the people around him, but he hates it at the same time. It's pretty cute. He's trying to save everybody, but also trying to pretend that he only wants to save himself. He's a darling. And to think I hated him in the first episode. That's just exquisite writing and character development. In my opinion, the writers have done such a good job In this show. What is with these fucking puppets? they creep me out. I love Donna so much. Tampering with a mailbox is a federal crime. She's just the best.

Speaker 2: 1:21:57

And oh, i found it before you sent it to me, so I have almas.

Speaker 1: 1:22:04

Alrighty, so why don't we go with almas? and then I also message you, lisa, as well.

Speaker 2: 1:22:11

Yep, i saw that I didn't get that before, but anyway, oh my god, that episode went by super fast. How crazy was that scene with Boyd and Sarah. When all that stuff appeared and the music box was playing, i was totally creeped out. I'm glad Boyd destroyed it, but Martin say that when the music stopped playing that they would be back. I wonder what is coming next for our Fromley And yay, tabitha got out, but what now? Oof, so many questions still left unanswered, and so now we wait for next season, thanks to a great season of podcasting. Oh, thanks, alma.

Speaker 1: 1:22:53

Alma was funny because she would message me When's the feedback episode, so she was always like she's. Thank you, alma, for all that wonderful feedback. I know Lisa had something as well.

Speaker 2: 1:23:05

Yep. So when Tabitha looked out the hospital window it looked like she was at a resort, like at Disney or Vegas. It really didn't look real. Right.

Speaker 2: 1:23:19

The color was off. It looked like a 1980s dynasty episode. I'm not sure she's completely out. If she is, then it will be an interesting plot line in season three as she tries to find her family. I'm also really interested in seeing what Jade discovers. When he said f my life, i laughed out loud. Pretty smart of him. To think of using the string made me think of the movie Poltergeist. That's what I was trying to think of.

Speaker 1: 1:23:51

Yeah that was a great reference. That was a great reference. Couple little housekeeping things folks. It's still a poster contest time. Yeah, we've got about five or six entries so far. So if you do have an entry, all you have to do is just hit us up on the email and take a picture of it, have it in crayon and just make it a scene from that Victor hasn't drawn, and we're going to have a star studded panel of our peers or not our peers to take a look at it.

Speaker 2: 1:24:33

We actually haven't even asked anybody.

Speaker 1: 1:24:36

Actually I have.

Speaker 2: 1:24:38

Who did you ask?

Speaker 1: 1:24:39

I asked both, victor's.

Speaker 2: 1:24:42

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:24:44

And they're both in.

Speaker 1: 1:24:46

They're both in, they're both in, they're both in. And that other person that we can't really talk about that's involved with the show. That said, we've seen some creative stuff. We've seen some stuff that looks like my daughter was asleep when she made it, and you know what? every single piece is amazing and we love every single one of them. What we did last year was, if you go on to our YouTube channel on the top banner, that's all the pictures that we got from last year, so hopefully we can add more and we can make more of a collage and hopefully it can just keep growing. That said, we've had a really great run this year. The family has been so good to us, whether it's the actors, the people in production and whatever else, but it's mostly because of the people that are listening. Good, bad or indifferent What we say, people are listening to, and we might not always be right, we might not always get the terms always right. It's always coming out of the right place, which is we just love the show. We love the show.

Speaker 1: 1:25:59

And, that said, if you guys love the show as much as we do and you want to help support us and you want some really cool merch we've got some from Lee teacher's t shirts. We've got some mugs that a couple people bought that are from Lee. We just put up a rock that says town and then a flower that says colony house, like they did in episode three, which was choosing day. So I expect all you people to pick your house, so to speak, and we're going to be adding some more as we go along. But the fact is, we're very thankful for the people that have bought stuff and hopefully, if you're looking for a good gift for a friend of yours, it all goes back into a podcast. All we're trying to do is just make sure we can keep the lights running, so to speak. So to speak And again, i can't stress enough, we've been really trying to.

Speaker 1: 1:26:59

We have a bunch of interviews that are coming up. We're talking to both victors they're going to be dropping next week, go little and big Victor, and we're going to sandwich Liz Saunders, donna in between, and then we've got a couple others that we're lining up as well that nobody else has talked to like the one for child Victor. We were literally the first interview he's ever done and that's not the first time we've done that. We were the first interview that we did with Smiley and Jamie. We were the first.

Speaker 2: 1:27:34

And the thing is, just because this is the last episode doesn't mean that we're going dark until season three comes along. Last year when we did season one, we dropped one or two episodes or basically they were interviews. We dropped one or two interviews a month to make sure there was content and that to deepen your interest in the show, help you understand the actors and where they're coming from and trying to create their character and just to flesh it out, and it was a lot of fun. I'm so glad we did that.

Speaker 1: 1:28:20

I think that what we're trying to do is we're trying to really get behind the actors, and not just this role but any roles that they do, and I think that's one thing. You're in the business so you understand that a little bit better than I do, but you know what? I think it was Michelle Pfeiffer or somebody who said when I'm not working on, i'm unemployed and we just want the best for all these actors. I know we'll probably get and I know he listens to the podcast but Bob Mann back on because he's always great and hopefully this time technology will work so we can do a post game wrap up and then we'll definitely do a pregame before season three.

Speaker 2: 1:29:06

We did do a pregame with him, it just didn't work.

Speaker 1: 1:29:10

It just, we had technical difficulties a couple of times. It was so much fun. It was more fun than yeah, it was great. But a couple other things. If you're into supporting the thing, you could also. It'll also be in the show notes. We have a thing for Buzzsprout and, like I said, you can always go to our Etsy shop as well.

Speaker 2: 1:29:31

What do we have for Buzzsprout?

Speaker 1: 1:29:34

That's our people can donate money to that. It's through our deal. I was going to say next week we have another episode, but we don't, because all of our episodes are done. We're just chomping at the bit, just like you are to try to say that there is going to be a season three. We're assuming that there is, just because this writer strike is really screwed with us.

Speaker 2: 1:30:02

It's screwed with everybody.

Speaker 1: 1:30:04

It's going with everybody. I know it's going with you personally and you're part of the world. Hopefully we can get Atlanta hoppin a little bit more, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Speaker 2: 1:30:18

And facts where the show is filmed. We want that often.

Speaker 1: 1:30:24

And hopefully Lizzie will be on set reporting from on set in Canada, hopefully next year.

Speaker 1: 1:30:34

Her goal is to be a monster, and what's nice is not a lot of makeup requires. You can just have the perfect stuff and it's great. And me too, i don't need a lot of makeup for this face. But no again, i just wanted to thank everybody that's been listening this season, because it's been the really it's been a great season for us. Our season started in like February and it seemed like it hasn't ended. I can't wait for next week because I am. I have a couple edits to do and we will not be on next Sunday for a live. Sorry, guys, as much as I love this, i got to get a break.

Speaker 2: 1:31:15

But no, and the thing is we didn't. I don't know. It's been enjoyable like we you and I go back and forth. This is just like being on the phone with us. The last couple of days I've barely spoken to Alex, and I think because I've been working, but it's unusual. Alex and I talk multiple times a day, i can't even say several.

Speaker 1: 1:31:43

Yeah, no, it's pretty funny.

Speaker 2: 1:31:45

Yeah, sometimes just hang up with them and one of us is calling the other one back.

Speaker 1: 1:31:51

I'm stupid And, like I said, I didn't call you stupid. I didn't say, i said for something stupid.

Speaker 2: 1:31:58

Oh for something stupid. I was like I would never say that.

Speaker 1: 1:32:01

No, no, not to my face.

Speaker 2: 1:32:03

But basically, if you hear us on the podcast, this is what we sound like going back and forth, and we managed to get a lot done.

Speaker 1: 1:32:14

Despite all that, but again, i just want to thank everybody. You guys have been great And we're going to be dropping a couple interviews. We probably have a couple more coming up monthly, and do me favor.

Speaker 1: 1:32:29

Some great ones like Alex and I have been doing the work to really try to get these guys and there's one of the things that we really want that fan art. We really want to post it and we got some really cool prizes and I know we're still working on some more And hopefully MGM will try to see that we're doing this and they'll actually not just give us what's behind me, but give us the new talismans with the gummy worms and everything.

Speaker 2: 1:33:00

All that stuff, yeah, is like there is nothing I love more than having a contest and giving out prizes. I fucking love doing that. Please send in your picture. One of the questions or the fears that I get from a lot of people are like I can't draw, dude. The more child like, the better. Like it is crayon, how not everyone draws well in crayon And we don't care, just draw something. I think it's more about the topic than anything else. We're not going to be looking at your color composition and whether or not you color it in the lines.

Speaker 1: 1:33:46

I do want to address this one from Monica. I know we're going back, but she's. I still don't know if they can sleep yet. I'm exhausted, oh my.

Speaker 2: 1:33:56

God, yes, that's right, and they sleep.

Speaker 1: 1:33:59

Well, i'm assuming they can, since they got the bad guys, they killed the music box.

Speaker 2: 1:34:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:34:05

I guess we're just going to have to find out.

Speaker 2: 1:34:07

The cicadas.

Speaker 1: 1:34:09

The cadets.

Speaker 2: 1:34:13

I swear it's like the Boston brahman, the cicadas.

Speaker 1: 1:34:18

So, anyway, what I guess we'll do, since we're done with the show, we're going to let our favorite guy, ian, take us out, because he is our favorite. The bell is ringing, you better go home. See you guys on the other side. One.

Speaker 2: 1:34:37

Thanks everybody, thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:34:41

Get your home, let's go. Oh.