51: Episode "Silhouettes" FROM MGM+ Deep Dive

What happens when a true crime podcast shoutout sends an author's heart racing just as much as the mysterious seizures plaguing characters in a TV show? This week, I'm sharing the electric vibes from Atlanta Comic-Con that fueled my fire to continue weaving tales in my book series and revealing how the surprising nod from a renowned podcast left me grappling with a blend of pride and nerves. We also delve into the thrilling yet complicated world of "The Walking Dead," where the Rick Grimes finale has us reeling, and "Tales of the Walking Dead" promises to expand this beloved universe even further. Then, we beckon you to join us in peeling back the shadowy layers of "From" episode five, "Silhouettes," where every re-watch unveils new secrets.

Amid the chaos of unraveling timelines and the raw emotional triggers of "From," we dissect the significance of the character's physical reactions and how their past intertwines with their present predicaments. The tension escalates as we analyze the impact of Nathan's shocking narrative twist and the frustrating storytelling choices that leave us yearning for resolutions. Furthermore, we dissect the complexities of Christy's relationships and Sarah's haunting past, scrutinizing how their stories bleed into each other, shaping a maze of friendships and storylines that demand our full attention. Strap in for a podcast episode that doesn't shy away from the gritty emotions these shows evoke, and join us as we navigate the intricate paths of relationships, timelines, and the unknown.

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Speaker 1: 0:03

Hmm, ah, hmm, one gets bigger.

Speaker 2: 0:30

Welcome to the show. My name is Alex.

Speaker 3: 0:33

And I'm Lizzie.

Speaker 2: 0:35

And we are the what Is From cast, a podcast dedicated to the show From, and we are watching episode five one, silhouettes and folks. Uh, if you are a friend of the podcast and you want to hit the subscribe button, that's great. We're trying to get to 500 subscribers on our youtube. Also, if you want to come to our Etsy shop, you can just shop what is from shop and you can get bracelets and shirts and mugs, oh my, so, oh my, and all that good stuff that goes along with it. But, lizzie, what'd you do this weekend?

Speaker 3: 1:20

I went to Atlanta Comic Con.

Speaker 2: 1:22

Yeah, baby. And how was it? I went to Atlanta Comic-Con. Yeah, baby.

Speaker 3: 1:25

And how was it? It was really so much bigger than last year. There was 10 or 12. I can't remember how many Walking Dead alum that were there, but I really didn't leave my table very much. I was there selling my books and I just kind of sat there throughout the day yeah, you kind of sold out a little kind of yeah, sort of kind of I mean, if you don't go with a lot, you don't have a lot to sell, to sell out.

Speaker 2: 1:59

But true, but I thought I had more than I did but, um you know, the fifth book is coming, or the last book is coming, the fifth book is coming. Yep, and do we have a title for it yet?

Speaker 3: 2:14

Book five.

Speaker 2: 2:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 2:16

Lizzie's Lost Girls, book five.

Speaker 2: 2:19

Are they always like book one, book two, book three? Yeah, I'm sorry you can definitely do a lot of reading of lizzie's books, um, but yeah, no, the final. Is this the final one? I?

Speaker 3: 2:30

don't know yet oh okay, um, I am working my way through it. Um, I'm gonna get a little heavy uh-oh. For a chunk of this year I thought I was dying and I was getting freaked out about my book. I didn't want to leave it and not have it completed. So I was writing it to completion so that people wouldn't be left hanging. But yesterday things turned around and I no longer think that that's going to happen sooner rather than later, unless it's a an accident.

Speaker 2: 3:17

So well, there's always now huh there's always that freak, you know.

Speaker 3: 3:23

Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean I'm, I'll go where I'm called, but at any rate, um, now, I had always said I'd make up my mind around book six and, um, this is book five. So I still have another book, at least before I have to think about it. So I don't know. Um, there were some cool things that happened this weekend. I always am struck by people that come up and talk to me about the book because they've read it me every time they see me and because they know, you know, they're not going to get to all of them at once, but, um, and I love seeing those people and hearing what they have to say. But someone walked up to my table and she's like I've heard all about this book. I'm like, really. And she said and I'm like, where would you hear about this book? And she said she heard it on a true crime podcast. What.

Speaker 3: 4:30

I know right. So she thinks it was either oh, shoot, it was either my Favorite Murder or crap. I forgot what the other one's called. I don't think I brought oh, I did bring my my phone in here, um, and they're both podcasts that make it into my rotation, because I do listen to a lot of true crime. Um, oh, crime junkie Duh, I knew it was something simple, um, so it was mentioned on one of those two. I'm leaning towards my favorite murder, based on their layout of things. So we'll see, but it was weird. Usually, you know, it's negative talk about me and I don't care about that. Like, oh, like more power to you. It's none of my business, I don't care about that. I'll like more power to you, it's none of my business.

Speaker 2: 5:25

As I told you before, I always like promoting your stuff because it's Walking Dead Universe and that's kind of the way we started on this network. So we're gearing up I know the network is gearing up for next week, the big Rick Grimes finale.

Speaker 3: 5:42

The ones who live I don't know if it's going to be a finale Now. I've heard there's going to be another season, and today I heard that Tales of the Walking Dead is filming.

Speaker 2: 5:54

Right. Well, they're trying to expand the universe, that's for sure.

Speaker 3: 5:57

Yeah, I like Tales, I like the same it has its moments.

Speaker 2: 6:02

It has its moments. I like it as its moments and that is moments.

Speaker 3: 6:10

But let's get into our, our episode five, season one. Silhouettes, silhouettes. And what was your first thoughts? It's the same thought I have with every every episode. I'm just floored. I continue to be wowed and surprised, when you would think that you wouldn't be surprised, since you've already seen these episodes multiple times. And there's just these little nuances that I'm picking up that are not meaningless. They have a point and I'm like wow, without watching it this way, you miss so much.

Speaker 2: 6:53

Yeah, absolutely, and we're going to try to get into the ones that we find. And, folks, if you find any that we don't, please let us know, Because I know we've heard from some fans telling us well, why didn't you talk about this? Why didn't you talk about that? You know what? It's great stuff and that's what it's all about. But how about we start with the cold open? Because we did get another cold open again and that was kind of fun.

Speaker 3: 7:22

There were two scenes in the cold open. The first scene is the barn exterior and you can hear goats bleeding and Nathan is feeding the goats and a woman comes running up to tell Nathan something is wrong with Sarah, so he runs to the clinic. The second scene is the clinic interior. Now this is the whole piece. After Sarah collapses on the floor in the diner, christy is examining Sarah and Sarah says she's feeling better. Christy wants Sarah to spend the night for observation. Sarah doesn't want to, but Christy offers to get Nathan and Sarah refuses because he worries and Christy and ask Christy to say that she's sleeping if Nathan comes by.

Speaker 2: 8:10

Yeah, why is that, you think?

Speaker 3: 8:47

You know it's funny that you should ask, because I didn't think of it at the time. I've got all these like single hairs flying in my face. It's because she doesn't want to talk to Nathan about what she did to Toby. You know, like I don't think she wants to answer for that, because there's a scene where Nathan is sitting at the table and there's her bloody clothes and it's not going to get to that.

Speaker 3: 9:16

I scraped a knee. It's full on soaked in blood. So she doesn't want to answer to him about that. So then Boyd comes in and Christy goes to speak with him. And Boyd asks how Sarah is. Christy says fine, given the circumstances and this hasn't happened before, according to Sarah, I think, meaning the convulsions. So now we have two people that have had convulsions, Ethan and Sarah. Unless there's an MRI machine, there's no way to really know what's going on. Christy says she's going to keep her overnight and Boyd asks if she's ready for that. And she said she doesn't know how the door got open, but she's not letting those things take this place away from her. They both agree that those things have already taken too much already. So then Boyd asks about the seizures First Ethan, now Sarah. Are they having a physical reaction to this place? And I think that's a pretty interesting question are they having a physical reaction to this place?

Speaker 2: 10:22

yeah, I mean there is, there is something to be said. I know some people were were commenting that ethan is very well connected to it, right, and and then you know, victor could be connected to it in a Right next season. We see his emotion towards a musical instrument, with the violin, and and then his, then his connection with mrs lou. So I mean, there there are. There are some definite tie-ins and um, but what's nice about this is they, they. They have everybody going in different directions, but they're still making the plot move or the story move to get closer to why are they there?

Speaker 3: 11:30

Right and I wanted to. I was just going to ask you a question, sorry, no, that's all right, it was my fault.

Speaker 2: 11:43

Boyd with Nathan.

Speaker 3: 11:44

Oh, and Sarah's having a physical reaction to this place.

Speaker 2: 11:48

Well, let's just call it what it is Sarah got bit or infested with the squirmy worms. Now let's just call it what it is. How did she get them in her?

Speaker 3: 12:04

Yeah. That makes me wonder if she was in the same kind of place that Boyd was in Exactly. Did she see Martin? So, and when? Yeah, when did she.

Speaker 2: 12:21

It's before the show started, right.

Speaker 3: 12:24

And you see where I have it, because I'm keeping a timeline every time someone mentions something. So last in are the Matthews, and then, a few months before that, sarah and Nathan that came out of this episode, and then six months after the Matthews was Christy, and then Donna is three years, six months and 17 days. So that's basically our order right now.

Speaker 3: 12:58

That's basically our order right now. Donna, aside from Victor, who's been there for a very long time, donna is old man right now. Let's see, normally diagnosed is one thing on the outside, but something different is here. So that's what Christy is saying. Her response is that if you asked her this six months ago yeah, no, she said it in this episode If you asked her about this six months ago, that anything in this place would be impossible. So, which makes sense. Christy notices that Boyd is having trouble with his hand. This is the first time we noticed this or that someone else notices it. Christy asks how long Boyd has been having this problem. He deflects and says long enough that it's got him asking stupid questions. So he totally changes subject. She calls him on the carpet and she tells him to come by tomorrow so she can take a look at it. You know, of course, he'll be too busy. He says no need, he already knows what it is, because it's something that his father had. Nathan comes running toward the clinic. Christy tells Boyd that Sarah doesn't want to see him and Boyd tells her to take care of Sarah and he'll take care of Nathan.

Speaker 3: 14:16

The third scene we're still on the cold open. Oh wow, there's six scenes in the cold open. Sorry, I misspoke earlier, so it's the clinic exterior. Boyd exits the clinic and starts slowing Nathan's roll. Nathan asks if she's okay. Boyd tells him that he's fine and sleeping. Boyd tells Nathan that he can see her tomorrow. Nathan is insisting that he see her now and Boyd asks if anything else is going on that they should know about to help Christy figure out what's wrong. Nathan says he's just worried about his little sister. Boyd says it's Christy's first night back since and that they shouldn't be going in and making it more stressful than it already is. Tells Nathan to go home and see her in the morning. Nathan agrees, chris Christie watches him go and Boyd leaves.

Speaker 3: 15:10

So then we're at the fourth scene, which is the Matthews house, and they're in the kitchen. Ethan and Tabitha and Jim are at the table. Ethan asks about Sarah. Tabitha assures him that she'll be okay. Jim enters and asks if Ethan remembers Christy and tells him that Christy will patch up Sarah the same way she patched him up. Jim digs through the laptop bag and brings over two markers and gives them each a marker. They will play a game and we'll figure it out, meaning what this whole place is about.

Speaker 3: 15:45

The fifth scene is the Matthew's house hallway. Jim says that they will do some problem solving and the way to do that is by asking questions. So we have all done something similar to this in school and they call it brainstorming. And that's all they're doing here, except they're putting it in a question form Ask every question that might apply, no matter how crazy or unlikely, and put it in on a board to ID everything that you know and everything that you don't. The first question that Jim writes on the wall is where are we? And he says that's where we begin. Um, let's see. What would you write on the wall, alex?

Speaker 2: 16:32

You know I I like Tabitha's question at the end Um are we alive?

Speaker 3: 16:39

Yeah, question at the end um are we alive? Yeah, that's a good one. Um on any brainstorming exercise. Are we alive?

Speaker 2: 16:49

um yeah, it's just um. What's up with these monsters? Yeah, where do they come from?

Speaker 3: 16:59

monsters. Where do they come from?

Speaker 2: 17:03

Why us? Why us?

Speaker 3: 17:05

Why us? That would be my question. Why us?

Speaker 2: 17:09

Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question.

Speaker 3: 17:19

Alright. So the last scene in the cold open is Sarah and Nathan's house. In the dining room, nathan sits at the table looking at and thinking about Sarah's bloody dress. So now we're into the show. Seventh scene they pan down the main street at dusk. That's it. Eighth scene the clinic interior. Sarah opens a drawer. She sees a scalpel and she reflects back on her arm with the words written on it. Sarah is holding her arm when Christy comes in and she tells Christy that she can't sleep. Christy says that she can't either and offers her some tea. Sarah closes the door In the night scene. In Christy's roomah says that christy, because they're actually. Did you look at christy's room? It's pretty cool looking, it's comfortable. I want that room, and so they're just hanging out there having a girl's night yeah, they were having fun yeah, which you know you don't often see.

Speaker 3: 18:16

Christy says that they're just friends. Oh, Sarah asked about Kenny and comments that they make a cute couple, and Christy says we're just friends. Sarah asks why, when Kenny is really sweet and loves Christy? Christy says it's complicated because she has someone at home and thinks she's still waiting. Her name is Marielle and they're engaged. Christy wonders all the time what it must be like for her thinking that Christy abandoned her.

Speaker 2: 18:47

We'll find out soon enough.

Speaker 3: 18:49

Yes, she will. When asked if she has anyone back home, sarah says no, she was with someone, but it's better that he's not around anymore. It's just her and Nathan. Yeah, she has in the world. That whole storyline is so messed up someone, but it's better that he's not around anymore.

Speaker 2: 19:00

It's just her and nathan yeah, she has in the world that whole storyline is so messed up and and you know, I understand that they don't have to give us everything all at once, but it's been two seasons, like, and I realized that that they end up, you know, killing Nathan off at the end of this episode and it's just like, and maybe this is a lost thing, and if it is, it's dumb. I can't stand it. But like you can't leave that stuff hanging, yeah. And then I mean, when are they going to bring it up Next season? Like it's important information. Is she abused? I still don't think they're brother and sister or they're incestual.

Speaker 2: 19:48

Or maybe they were foster siblings, whatever, If they are fosters, then how hard is it to say we're fosters. You know what I mean, like just kind of the whole yeah, it's frustrating. That storyline is just very frustrating to me.

Speaker 3: 20:08

It is. It is, and I've noticed that it feels like they had the show fairly fleshed out as far as the setup goes, you know, but it feels like at times they were rewriting the script as they were going, because something made more sense this way or this, you know, was something cool they thought of and they wanted to include it. I do feel like we're missing out something on something with knowing this piece about Sarah.

Speaker 2: 20:51

It just seems like it's an important piece. For some reason, I don't know why, but it probably isn't. But at the same time, let us be the judge of that. Yeah, and again, we don't need to know everything all at once. No, like the whole arm squirrely things we didn't need to know in the first season. Actually, I think nine times out of ten. Most people forgot about it until boyd.

Speaker 3: 21:18

well, yeah, and that's when you're supposed to remember it, though, but I'm just saying like that's how important and unimportant it is.

Speaker 2: 21:26

And now, doing the rewatch, we realize how important it is. But I'm just saying like that's a good thing to come back to, but like how can you come back when you kill off the character? I don't know.

Speaker 3: 21:39

What Nathan? Yeah, oh, oh, he's not squirreling. I don't know. I just see him as a casualty of sarah. Oh no, I get it.

Speaker 2: 21:50

No, I'm not, I'm not, it's just they could have wrapped it up.

Speaker 3: 21:53

I don't know okay, um, let's see. When, asked if she has anyone back at home, sarah says no. Before they came here, things weren't good for her. Nathan saved her. She asked Christy if there was something that she could do, something that would let you see Marielle again. Let everyone go home, even if it was something bad, would you it? And christy asked for clarification, and this is the important question.

Speaker 2: 22:24

Well, this is the question of the whole show.

Speaker 3: 22:26

Yeah, like how far are you willing, you know, to act in order to go home? I?

Speaker 2: 22:33

mean because christy, christy basically gave her the license to do what she did yeah, not knowingly. I'm not saying it's christy's fault, but at the same time it's not not christy's fault and, and you know, I mean it's not really her fault, but it's just yeah, christy, didn't know what, christy didn't know, she didn't know what was going on you know, and she just says it's a lot of good for one bad thing if everybody gets to go home. I think, though, that it just played very well. Right now, everybody hates her.

Speaker 3: 23:19

Yeah, you know right now.

Speaker 3: 23:22

Everybody hates her, yeah, and she's kind of a victim of circumstance, which we're going to come to find out, but I feel like she always allows herself to be a victim because Nathan had to save her, which tells you she was a victim in that, wherever she was, maybe. Um, so we hit the 10th scene. This is the beginning of day four for the matthews, so I want to. I'm trying to keep track of what day we're on. So the sun is out.

Speaker 3: 23:57

Jim looks at the questions written on the wall while Tabitha sits sleeping on the couch with a sleeping Ethan. There are bubbles with tree slash crows, a road and a drawing of the earth with North America, south America and part of Africa, the word vortex, something written with portal. It was kind of hard to read a lot of it, but I got what I got. Written at the bottom of the earth question mark on South America Looks like a cross on North America between US and Canada. Creature slash biological question mark Real question mark Alien question mark real question mark alien question mark. Do they feed on dot, dot, dot? Where do they go? Do they sleep? And then Tabitha wakes up. She tells him to tell her that he's figured it out and he and the kids that he did and the answer is 12. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, he wants to go over it again, which is what you do.

Speaker 3: 25:06

Everyone enters from different parts of the country on different roads, so we're getting a little bit of exposition here in different places, and they all see the same tree, the same crows. She interrupts him and says that everyone here has asked the same question over and over again. How will writing these questions on the wall make a difference? And Jim says there's plenty in the world. That doesn't make sense. Something here is missing. We just can't see it yet, but we will. Tabitha says there's one question that they haven't asked and he gives her the marker, but she refuses and says it's crazy and she doesn't want to know the answer. So then we go to the 11th scene, where it's the clinic exterior front door. Christy walks Sarah out, asks again if she wants some oatmeal. Sarah says she's not really hungry and thanks her for for last night. Christie invites her to do it again as Nathan approaches them.

Speaker 2: 26:06

Right.

Speaker 3: 26:07

Sarah says that he's very persistent. Christie asks if she's okay. Sarah says that he cares a lot and he does, cause his sister is nuts. Apparently, sarah joined Nathan. Command that nathan is up early. He says that they need to talk. She apologizes for worrying him. He says he needs to know what happened. She says that she was standing in the diner one minute and the next she was on the floor and doesn't remember much other than that. He asked why she's suddenly acting like everything is okay. She says she needs to get to the diner. He tries to stop her and she says she's okay and that she loves him and walks off and it's like it's. She can't be reasoned with. She can't. She won't give him any information. She wants him to be involved when she wants him to be.

Speaker 2: 27:06

She wants him to solve a problem, but she won't give him all the pieces.

Speaker 3: 27:09

Yeah, yeah, so, yeah. So the 12th scene is colony house interior, julie's little bed chamber. Fatima says knock, knock, while julie is on her bed writing in a journal. Julie is making a list of all the people that are probably wondering where they are right now, and fatima, um, she thinks it's worse for them not knowing.

Speaker 2: 27:35

fatima made the same your mic, you keep, you keep getting your mic with that when you move all your stuff oh, I'm sorry yeah, no, it's like, it's like it's jarring. I'm sorry no, that's okay, I just want to let you know, so you didn't keep doing it, that's all okay, I'm so sorry, dear listeners.

Speaker 3: 27:52

no, I made one mistake. I mean, fate made one list and thinks that everyone else has two julie lists off who's on hers? She doesn't have a boyfriend or a girlfriend. Fatima says they need some fun and to get dressed and meet her downstairs in five minutes. So colony house exterior, interior shed. Fatima goes to Ellis who is sculpting, tells him no more work because Julie is making the list, suggests that they go to Brundle's Right. The 14th scene is colony interior. Julie sits at a window thinking and looks like she's crying. Fatima comes to her. There you are. I've been looking everywhere for you. What's wrong? I think maybe I made a mistake because Julie's second guessing her colony house choice. Fatima, it was hard for me too at first. I'll tell you a secret. It helped once I figured out how to get my clothes back from Trudy. You know, what.

Speaker 3: 28:56

I think that's a scene from last week. It was Sorry everybody. So the true 14th scene is the gas station bar exterior, and this is a fun scene. Jade is walking along with the radio under his arm and talking to himself. Just a fucking idiot. That's special relativity.

Speaker 3: 29:23

So special relativity is an explanation of how speed affects mass, time and space. The theory includes a way for the speed of light to define the relationship between energy and matter. Small amounts of mass can be interchangeable with enormous amounts of energy, as defined by the classic equation that we all can recite and not necessarily understand what it means. But E equals MC squared. And of course, anytime you think of that equation, you think of Einstein. Now, relativity is two related theories special relativity, which explains the relationship between space, time, mass and energy, and general relativity, which describes how gravity fits into the mix. So gravity acts on everything, but not all at the same rate of force. So gravity is less on the moon than it is here on Earth, and out in space it's totally different, you know, just out there in the void. But there is gravity because that's how stars are formed. When dust and rocks and ice and stuff come close enough to each other. They start to gather and they pull in other particles of dust, rocks, ice rocks, whatever, all that stuff. So Jade is just going back and forth trying to figure out what this place is and he's approaching it from a scientific point of view. So he says oh, klein Hardee's, klein Hardee's, einstein, poldolsky, rosen he says he's just figured it out. Rosen, he says he's just figured it out. And this is the Einstein. Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen introduced a thought experiment to argue that quantum mechanics was not a complete physical theory, known today as the EPR Einstein, podolsky and Rosen paradox. The thought experiment was meant to demonstrate the innate conceptual difficulties of quantum theory. Above my pay grade at this time of night.

Speaker 3: 31:49

So all of a sudden the fun part of this scene rings out it's Trudy, and she says where are you going with that? And he's pulled out of his thoughts and turns to see her on the porch. She asks if that's a radio. He says sort of. And she asks why he's carrying it around and he tells her it helps him to think. She tells him that he is even cuter when he's awake and she tells him that she watched him when he was sleeping and tells him that she's Trudy. She tells him that it's too bad that he chose the town because she would have ridden him like an alabaster dragon, and then she walks away.

Speaker 3: 32:31

Jade walks into the bar, apparently needing a drink. So the next scene is the sheriff's office interior. Boyd sits at his desk looking at the lamp. Kenny enters. Good morning, sheriff. I stopped by the diner to let my mom know that Sarah's okay, he's holding some Tupperware with bread, things that Boyd likes, and that Mrs Lou makes a fresh bread. Sheriff. Yep, boyd doesn't take notice of Kenny. And then finally, boyd says I'm going to need you to hold down the fort for a little bit. Kenny wonders if everything is okay and Boyd says that it is. Boyd grabs a talisman and says he's going to visit his wife. It's been a while. Boyd leaves and Kenny sits down at the desk and opens up the Tupperware and goes for the bread. I don't know why Boyd didn't take it with him.

Speaker 3: 33:23

So now we're back to the bar. It's a busy makeshift bar. Customers are drinking. Jade stands in wonderment what the hell you guys built a bar in this fucking place. Tom says yeah, you end up in a place like this. You ask yourself what do people need? Turns out it's not a fucking gas station. So I figured hey, you know, are you okay? And Jade says no, no, I'm not okay, are you okay? Tom says he's great and pours Jade a drink that I don't know. I think maybe Tom was a mole you know what?

Speaker 2: 34:06

I guess he's not because he's dead yeah, taking him out.

Speaker 3: 34:09

Maybe his um shift was over, I don't know. Um. Jade says what the fuck? How you? Why are you all still sitting here? He yells to the room and takes a drink from Tom's potato vodka and spits it out and he's like holy fuck, what is this shit? If this had been an escape room, this potato vodka would have gone one step too far. So that's just a throwback to Toby him.

Speaker 3: 34:41

Toby has set him up with the ultimate um escape room. Tom tells him it's the poor man's potato vodka. In a teasing way, jake takes another squig and is just as disgusted by it. Tom says you're one of the guys from the two cars and jade groans your friend, uh, got, yeah, yeah, look it's. If it's any consolation, it gets easier. I don't know how that can be a consolation. Jade scoffs and tells Tom that's rich. You know you guys are. You're like rats in a maze sitting there contentedly nibbling on your cheese. This is a paradox. That's the problem. Jade stands up with a drink in his hand. The immediate question is how do we get home? Right, how do we get out? How do we get out of here? Because unless we know where here is, we can't get out of here and he's got a pretty, pretty important point there, because, like, how do you go a to b when you don't know where a is?

Speaker 2: 35:39

and he starts throwing the darts, which makes it. If you don't know where your starting point is, how are you supposed to?

Speaker 3: 35:45

it's like it's like.

Speaker 2: 35:47

It's like trying to sail without the stars yeah, exactly so.

Speaker 3: 35:54

Um, you're just throwing darts blind. You don't even fucking know where the fucking target is. You don't even know where the fucking target is. Maybe it's just over. Know where the fucking target is. Maybe it's just over here, I don't know. Maybe it's just like it went that way because Jade is throwing darts at every which direction Tom steps in to stop him. Jade is getting nuts. Jade concludes that eventually you just give up and accept that you can't get out because you have no idea where you're trying to get out of. So you sit around drinking your acidic potato piss water that you call vodka.

Speaker 3: 36:26

Tom has sat down with Jim at a table Not Jim Jade, sorry. He has a bottle in hand and is ready to keep Jade refilled. Interesting Tom says let me guess you're going to be the guy that figures this all out. Jade assures him that he is indeed that guy. People like me we design the maze, we place the cheese. I don't know what you did before you got here, but I just sold a company for an obscene amount of money based on quantum computing algorithm with the potential to and he pauses I'm not supposed to be here. I'm not supposed to be celebrating. I'm supposed to be celebrating right now. Look, we can't get out of here unless we know where it is, so um and they start to talk about stroding, stroding, I can't say it, right, the cat oh, shright, shright.

Speaker 3: 37:21

Why schreudinger's cat?

Speaker 2: 37:23

I can't believe, I can't say it all of a sudden I mean the bottom line about this scene is yes, the bottom line about this scene is jade learns that he's not the only idiot that's tried to figure this out and he needs to just shut the fuck up and do what he does. But you know what? I'm sorry. Like you know, I'm a bartender, but I people don't want to hear what I have to say, so I'm making liquor, you know, I mean.

Speaker 2: 37:48

I don't know about that. No, he's a philosopher from UCLA, he's a, you know, tom, tom is an educated person, but they're also, they're also there. You know you can't be on defcom one every day when, when you've been there for months, you know it's, it's kind of like the pandemic and you get over it. You have to kind of live your life and I think that that's the thing that, um, that jade just doesn't understand right now. You know they're all like go, go, go, go, go. Well, yeah, you're the new guy, and then you realize you can't go anywhere. So I mean I thought that was a good scene.

Speaker 3: 38:26

I mean I thought that was a good scene, but to me tom's behavior just added to my mole theory and uh I, I did not.

Speaker 2: 38:40

I mean, yeah, you could, you could say that, but I could also see him just being like dude. We're here like chill the fuck out, have a have a drink, and you know, if he had come in, I mean tom, tom could have come in, come, but Tom could have acted a little bit different knowing that Jade was brand new. But he's also conditioned like dude. I know where you've been, like you're not the first person that's thought about all these things.

Speaker 3: 39:21

Yeah, that's my point. That's my point, yeah.

Speaker 2: 39:24

I mean, and everybody goes to the bar.

Speaker 3: 39:27

Yeah, so anyway, ethan.

Speaker 2: 39:33

Maybe next year.

Speaker 3: 39:36

Yeah, let's see there was something All right. Yeah, let's see there was something all right. Then sarah goes. Just, he compares schrodinger, schrodinger's cat, which we know is like the cat is in the box, the cat is dead, the cat is alive. But to the people back home they're the cat because they're alive and they're dead at the same time, because people back home don't know the final status of these people. So anyway, tom is just, I don't know. He's trying to get Jade to think and I think that he brings up that theory because of that. He, you know, jade was, you know, talking about EPR before he was coming in the door, tom being a philosopher teacher, philosophy teacher. He's going to also tie Jaden knots, you know, in thought. So, at any rate, we move on to the town in front of the Matthews house. Sarah stands in front of the Matthews house. She pulls the scaffold from her skirt pocket, puts it back in and walks to the door of the house.

Speaker 3: 41:03

Now we're in the Matthews house. In the bedroom Tabitha is checking Ethan's wound and she changes the dressing. He says it's just a little sore. Tabitha is astonished at how fast it's healing. Ethan thinks this place is special. He knows it tries to hurt people, but maybe it tries to help people too. So maybe it tries to help hurt people which the Matthews family are. Maybe that one of the questions on the wall is is there anyone trying to help? That's what Ethan's question is. Jim yells that Ethan has a visitor. So downstairs Ethan greets Sarah and, um, he points out the writing on the wall. Tabitha asks how Sarah's feeling and if Christy figured out what was wrong. And Sarah, she says not yet. And that's just one of those things.

Speaker 3: 41:58

Sarah and Ethan decide to go to the playground outside. Ethan takes her to the merry-go-round, saying it's his favorite, and we only see Sarah on the merry-go-round, with the town moving in the background, sort of like the boy in white. Now we're at the church exterior. Nathan walks up to the door and goes in. We're inside. Nathan enters and calls out for Father Cautry as he comes deeper into the church and passes the pulpit and there's no answer. Now we're at the forest, at the Brundles. It's a swimming hole with a long dock and everyone swims there. I don't know, would you feel comfortable swimming there?

Speaker 2: 42:43

You know what, if you're there long enough, you do what you got to do and that's what's normal, but that's the Lake of Tears. So you know, maybe they get some extra something, something, but yeah, no, it would be pretty scary.

Speaker 3: 42:56

I mean, the good news is the good news, but the good news is it's during the day, so it's not like they're coming out of it yeah, but it's dark underneath the water, like it might be dark enough for them to swim up and grab their feet and drag them down into the pits of that cave and eat them. I don't know, that's, I don't know. So anyway, they just have a nice swimming afternoon and they just need to show off.

Speaker 2: 43:23

They need to show off all the kids without any clothes why was anyone naked? I thought they were well, no, they're all bathing suits. I'm saying you know so like you know, cordy, and has to be like shirtless and you know yeah they have to get their. They got to get their money's worth with them, you know okay, I see.

Speaker 3: 43:44

So fatima says, if you close your eyes, this could be anywhere else in the world right and julie's like how do you stay so positive? And she says it depends on how you choose to look at it. She didn't come to the us until she was 11 and grew up with in iran with her parents and two older brothers. Her father was an outspoken cleric, which they tend to not do well in iran um.

Speaker 2: 44:08

Clerics never do well in any situation when there's controversy.

Speaker 3: 44:12

Well, they do if they are toting the party line.

Speaker 2: 44:16

True.

Speaker 3: 44:17

Um, so let's see, this day was going to be one of the best one, until some men came to the door and her father was killed. Her point is that there will always be monsters in the world and that she will never let them scare the life out of her.

Speaker 2: 44:34

I mean realistically. I mean, like for her living in the Middle East, the way, as crazy as it is, not that? Not that it's the same in any way. I'm not trying to make that, but, like you, look at what's going on today. At least you know when they're coming at you. It's at night, you know. I mean, at least you know it's.

Speaker 2: 44:59

And they have a defense because they've got a talisman so I you know not that, not that this is easier, because it's not, but it's sure as hell not worse. So at least least you know who's coming at you.

Speaker 3: 45:12

Yeah, I mean, maybe in Iran you think you're safer because you are a cleric and they revere religion so highly.

Speaker 2: 45:22

Unless you're the religion.

Speaker 3: 45:24

Well, I mean, he's the same religion. The only problem was that he was outspoken. So yeah. All right. So now we are back at the playground. Ethan pushes the merry-go-round while Sarah rides it. Tabitha looks from the window, thinking Ethan is acting like himself. Ethan asks Sarah how long she's been there and she says just a few months, tells her that his parents are trying to figure out where they are so they can all go home, because that's what the promenade would do. And she asked what the promenade is.

Speaker 2: 45:57

She's like you're not going anywhere, I'm killing your ass.

Speaker 3: 46:00

Oh, no, no, no. Tabitha comments that Sarah is a sweet girl. Tabitha goes out and tells Ethan not to make Sarah sit there because it's filthy, and Sarah says it's OK and fun not to make Sarah sit there because it's filthy, and Sarah says it's okay and fun. Ethan tells Tabitha that Sarah said that they can go see the goats and chickens at the barn. Sarah tells Tabitha that Nathan tends to the animals. When Tabitha says she's going to tell Jim that they are going to the barn, sarah quickly says that she can take Ethan. Jim is walking along the wall with a marker in his hand thinking when Tabitha tells him that they're going to the barn. So Tabitha really puts a crank in Sarah's plan.

Speaker 3: 46:43

So now we're back in the forest and it's a clearing at Abby's grave. Boyd walks down the path to Abby's grave and he says hey, babe, it's been a while Things have been well. They've been a little crazy these past few days. Those things they got into the house where the little girl lived. They got into the clinic. You know we were doing pretty good there for a while keeping everything together. It was almost starting to feel like well, he takes off his jacket and he started getting tremors in my hand a few weeks back. Same way it started with my dad, which means the clock is officially ticking.

Speaker 2: 47:22

I like this. I like this because it really sets up the episode where they bring her in. Yeah, it really does. I mean, they give it enough that you want to know exactly what happens, but once you find out what happens it, it really kind of makes this even more emotional.

Speaker 3: 47:41

My question, though, is why is this place speeding up the healing for Ethan while it's speeding up the degeneration of Boyd?

Speaker 2: 47:54

Well, who's to say that he has Parkinson's?

Speaker 3: 47:59

I don't know what he has.

Speaker 2: 48:00

No, but my point being is the same way, you know, sarah's got the squirmies in her. He could have something to put undue stress on him. You know? Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 48:26

That's just my question. His crazy. He has a crazy idea that might work and might be able to get everyone home. If he fails, then leaving everyone in a worse off position. But we don't know what this plan is. Abby was always the one to make the hard calls. If he can get them home, it's the biggest swing he can take. He doesn't believe in signs, but asks for one from her because he needs help.

Speaker 3: 48:54

So we're in another part of a clearing where there's standing stones and it's a circle of standing stones in a field of flowers. Katri is sitting outside at his rock when Nathan approaches. Katri asks, nathan asks if Nathan comes up here much, and Nathan says no. Khatri says strange, a place like this could exist in a place like this, because it's peaceful, it's beautiful, you know. So Nathan asks what the rules are when it comes to confession. If he tells Khatri something, does it stay between the two of them? Katri says that it stays between them and God. But if it's really bad, nathan, but what if it's really bad? Nathan asks, and we don't get that answer other than later. We see them running, but now we're at the farm outside. Sarah introduces Ethan to the animals by name. Now we're at the farm outside. Sarah introduces Ethan to the animals by name. Tabitha and Ethan are enjoying themselves. Sarah tells Tabitha that Ethan is a little sweetheart. She's so insincere.

Speaker 2: 50:03

Tabitha yeah, no, she's sincere, he is a sweetheart, it's just that. You know she's a very conflicted person.

Speaker 3: 50:12

I know, but the way she says it.

Speaker 2: 50:15

No, I get it. No, I get it.

Speaker 3: 50:17

I don't know. Maybe it's because I know what her intention with him is, but the way she says it, it just rings hollow to me. So Tabitha says that being sad and afraid is the one thing everyone in the town agrees on. Sarah says that this will quickly become normal. Tabitha doesn't want it to become normal, she just wants to go home. Sarah says that at least they have the talismans.

Speaker 3: 50:44

Katri talks about how much worse it was for people after dark hiding, hoping not to be found. The hiding places are all over town and it's good to know about them in case you get stuck outside after dark. So this is her setting a trap for Tabitha. Sarah says that there's one in the barn that she can show her. Tabitha and Sarah go into the barn. So we're back at the clearing. At the the standing stones, katri jumps up saying that nathan should have come to him much sooner. Nathan is concerned that sarah will go in the box. Katri intends to keep his word, but they need to worry about the people of the town, right, um? So they head to the diner. I'm not exactly sure which word Katri is talking about. Like promises Nathan that nothing will happen to Sarah? Is that his word or just that you kill, you go into the box, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 51:45

Well, he wants it both ways, because he contradicted himself. He threw Frank in the box, yeah, but then he saved Sarah.

Speaker 3: 51:53

So I mean you know like Well, yeah, box yeah, but then he saved sarah. So I mean you know like, well, yeah, few in the future.

Speaker 2: 51:56

he saved sarah, but like no, but I'm just saying like you know he does contradict himself. Yeah I mean there's no. I mean, I'm not saying that he's an awful person, it's just no, he's not.

Speaker 3: 52:06

I miss him. So now we're back in the interior of the barn. Sarah follows Tabitha into the barn. Sarah leads Tabitha to a closet space in the back of the barn, opens the door, pushes Tabitha in. He, she locks the door and tells Tabitha that she's doing this for her and all of them. And then Tabitha begs to be let out. Of course, right. So she's banging Outside. Katri and Nathan head toward the diner. Boyd sees Katri and stops him, you know, just to have a chat. Boyd holds up the boat key as he waves to Katri and then puts it in his pocket. He has a weird question for him. If someone asked for a sign, how would they know what they were looking for? You know, katri doesn't really have time for that right now.

Speaker 2: 52:53

Yeah, he's not looking for philosophical, religious questions right now.

Speaker 3: 52:57

Right. So now we're in the interior of the diner. Nathan's looking for Sarah. Tom is at the counter eating. Nathan calls for Sarah. Tom tells him that Sarah isn't there and that he saw her heading to the barn with Tabitha and Ethan. So now we're at the exterior. Ethan is feeding the goats as Sarah comes out of the barn. Ethan asks where his mom is. Sarah kneels in front of him with her hands behind her back and says she needs to tell him something. I bet she does. In the interior, tabitha is banging against the door and calling for Sarah and Ethan. No one's hearing her. The exterior of the barn, sarah says she really likes him and that's that.

Speaker 3: 53:43

What's about to happen is going to save everyone. Just like one of your stories. You get to be the hero. She shows him the scalpel in her hand behind her back. Oh, wait, a minute. They show. The show shows us that that it's behind in her hand, behind her back. Ethan asks where his mom is again and that he wants his mom. She grabs his arm. Nathan gets to the barn and calls her name and asks what she's doing. Sarah says this is how we go home. As Nathan advances toward her, this is the last one, and then everyone gets to go home. So my question is do you think she killed anyone else besides Toby? And now the attempt on Ethan. Do you think there was?

Speaker 2: 54:33

probably. I mean, but again, we have no backstory, so we don't know, we don't know how long the squirrely things have been in her arm yeah, um.

Speaker 3: 54:44

So tabitha is screaming ethan's name from inside the barn. Ethan kicks Sarah's leg and runs. Nathan tells Ethan to run. Nathan comes up behind Sarah and wraps his arms around her. Grabbing her arms. She turns quickly and slices Nathan's neck and he starts bleeding like he didn't stand a chance. She realizes what she's done while Nathan dies in front of her and collapses. Katri approaches as Sarah cries. Now we're at Colony House exterior.

Speaker 3: 55:17

Ellis, fatima, julie return from Brundle's. Julie tells them that they're right, it's not all bad here. Ethan comes running up the hill crying for Julie. Julie tries to figure out what's wrong In the barn. Tabitha hears the scream out in the barnyard Outside the barn. Jim and other townspeople run toward the barn. Jim calls Tabitha and Ethan's names. Tabitha screams from inside the barn for someone to help her. Jim gets to the barn and hears her and frees her. She immediately asks for Ethan. She comes out of the barn to townspeople standing around watching what's happened. Jim and Tabitha scream for Ethan. Julie can be heard screaming for them in the distance as she approaches. Ellis and Fatima are with her and Ellis carries Ethan.

Speaker 3: 56:09

The family reunites. Christy arrives and starts examining Nathan and concludes that it's too late. Boyd and she exchange glances. Katri appears to come from the woods, looks at Boyd and shakes his head. No, boyd looks back at Sarah kneeling over Nathan. Now we're on the exterior road in town.

Speaker 3: 56:32

Matthew's family walks back to their house. Um, we're in the sheriff's office or at the sheriff's office exterior. Cotri tells boyd that he was too late. Boydd stops the Matthews family as they pass, ask how Ethan is. Jim tells Tabitha and the kids to go ahead. They walk on. Jim asks where Sarah is. Katri says she ran off to the woods. Jim and Boyd, if she comes back before dark then we'll handle it, and if she doesn't if she doesn't then it's handled. So he's alluding to the fact that the monsters will get her and they won't have to do anything about that. Jim says she came into my house. She played with my kid. Boyd and Katri try to calm him. Jim, what the fuck is wrong with you people? You talk like this place is fucking Mayberry, one big family. Is that what you said? Are you fucking kidding me? Boyd and Katri don't know what to say. And then Jim walks away. Jim, although he knows this place is wacky, he keeps expecting a normal response that he would have gotten in the outside world yeah, well, he's still.

Speaker 2: 57:56

It's only been a couple of days in so right still not acclimated.

Speaker 3: 58:00

So yeah, yeah, I don't know how anyone gets acclimated if you're not victor, but look how long it's taken him. So inside the matthews living room, tabitha sits on the couch hugging Ethan and soothing him. Jim paces helplessly. Tabitha asked Julie where she found him and Julie says that they were just coming back. He was running up the hill toward Colony House. Jim tells her she did good. Tabitha asked Julie to take Ethan upstairs and they go. Tabitha gets a marker and writes on the wall Did we survive the crash? And I think, before all this nuttiness, it's not something that she wanted to admit out loud.

Speaker 2: 58:48

Right. No, it's not what you want to talk about, but I mean, at this point you have a hot second and maybe that's what it really is, kind of thing.

Speaker 3: 58:56

Sarah, asking her what she'd do to go home. Boyd tells her that it's not her fault. Christy says it was nice to hang out with Sarah and that Sarah took the scalpel from the clinic and she feels responsible for that. Boyd tells her that she did not bring them there, nor did she put the thoughts in Sarah's head, and that a few nights ago she saved Ethan's life.

Speaker 3: 59:31

Before this is done so, give yourself some slack not that it makes it okay, but sarah did kill her own brother. It doesn't make everything okay, but it's not like she ended up killing Ethan. Anyway, boyd, he takes her hands and asks for a favor for her to cut herself some slack.

Speaker 2: 1:00:00

Right, exactly the jukebox starts playing.

Speaker 3: 1:00:03

If I had a Boat by Lyle Lovett Boyd looks at the jukebox and says that he just got his sign. Now I don't know if you have the words printed out or if you have them handy.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

I do Okay.

Speaker 3: 1:00:18

So if we go down one, two, three, the fourth stanza, it says the mystery masked man was smart. He got himself a Tonto, because Tonto did the dirty work for free. But Tonto, he was smarter, and one day he said Kima Sabe, well, kiss my ass, I bought a boat, I'm going out to sea. There you go.

Speaker 2: 1:00:47

What? What do you think? No, there you go what. What do you think? No, I mean, you know basically.

Speaker 3: 1:01:00

You want me to go in?

Speaker 2: 1:01:02

Yeah, just I don't care. What do you think? I really, at this point I have no idea.

Speaker 3: 1:01:07

Okay. So what I'm thinking is that the masked man is whatever drives the town Like we don't know who that person is right, but they get a tanto, meaning the people of the town to act like they're puppets and do things that they wouldn't necessarily normally do. I don't think that Sarah would have been killing people, but if they pull her strings, that's what she's going to do. So that's what I think it is. You know, especially when we go into second season and you know, boyd ends up with Martin and doing you know what he does.

Speaker 2: 1:01:57

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:02:00

Then the next one, if you go down two more stanzas. The sixth one. It says and if I were like lightning, I wouldn't need no sneakers. I'd come and go wherever I would please and I'd scare him by the shade tree and I'd scare him by the light pole, but I would not scare my pony on my boat out on the sea. So what that tells me is that there's a limit to this, that whatever runs this place, that whatever runs this place, that there's a limit, they won't go too far. So they're doing their deeds and that's about it, I guess is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 1:02:49

Well, he's got a. He feels that he's gotta get his boat or his plan and and go and and go out to sea, whatever that means to him right now.

Speaker 3: 1:03:02

Yeah I mean it just tells me they're all ponds yeah, well they've.

Speaker 2: 1:03:08

They've proven that in the second season and they've proven that in the first season too. Yeah, I mean it's just yeah, I mean it's just at this point in the show there's so many questions. Yeah, there's no deep dive in it, other than the fact that we're still kind of waiting to figure it out.

Speaker 3: 1:03:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:03:34

But do you have any other notes?

Speaker 3: 1:03:36

No, that was it. It was so far the most scenes we've had, but it was pretty straightforward. I mean, it was a matter of you know, christie making that attack on Ethan, the Matthews family writing on the wall and Tabitha asking the question did we survive the crash?

Speaker 2: 1:04:02

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:04:06

And Boyd, I don't know getting a sign from his wife because this is his song you know they play the song in a future episode but getting this sign that he's looking for so he knows what to do. So and then you know Katri telling Nathan I guess that you know Sarah's not going to go in the box, but I don't know. I mean, we know she doesn't, but I don't know how Khatri can make Nathan that promise, given that they have a rule.

Speaker 2: 1:04:42

I think he was just trying to appease them, just to figure out what the hell was going on. I mean, that's the only thing that I. You know it was a lot of moving parts in that episode and I think, I don't know, I'm a little confused. I mean, I watched it a couple of times but I just I don't know. I know that's not what people want to hear right now, but I'm just as confused as the listeners. It's okay, anyway. So, folks, next week we're going to be doing episode one episode one season one, episode six, book 74.

Speaker 2: 1:05:24

And I think that's a really pivotal episode because it really goes into father country's storyline, or his backstory, and I just you know we get a lot of information about him, which was nice and it was already in the sixth episode.

Speaker 3: 1:05:42

So yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking for a deeper dive into it, you know, so that we can talk for two to three hours about it.

Speaker 2: 1:05:56

And that's our show. I'll see you next week. Get your home, let's go, come on. Get in your house, let's go, come on, thank you.