Episode #143: What It Means To Be “One Of One”, Why You Should Shake Up Your System, Art & Neurodiversity, With Michaell Magrutsche, Artist + Author + Podcaster

INTRODUCTION:

I am an Austrian-Californian Multimedia Artist. I became a creativity-awareness educator through my experience-based outside-the-box upbringing that I was forced into, through my neurodiversity. I am totally self-taught, author of 5 books, podcaster, speaker, guide, former Newport Beach CA Arts-Commissioner and co-produced with Robert Evans. Fluent in German and English. My ability is that I can see hidden contexts which allows me to resolve paradoxes and together we arrive at awareness solutions in leadership, hospitality, customer service, communication, success vs. fulfillment and obviously any form of creativity and culture.

INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to): 

·      What It Means To Be “One Of One”

·      Inequalities In The Art Community

·      How Art Can Save A Life

·      Why You Should Shake Up Your Systems

·      Prices To Fame

·      Natural Born Leaders

·      The Toxicity Of “System Relevance”

·      Art Knows No Race

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Transcript

Episode #143: What It Means To Be “One Of One”, Why You Should Shake Up Your System, Art & Neurodiversity, With Michael Magrutsche, Artist + Author + Podcaster

Michael Magrutsche

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De'Vannon Seráphino: Michael Magructsche is an Austrian Californian multimedia artist who is the author of five books, a podcaster, and a political advisor. Michael is on the neurodiverse spectrum, and he is a champion for people to find their uniqueness and to live original and authentic lives. 

Michael Magrutsche: Oh my God, I'm not fitting in. I'm another, adolescent. I want to, you know, I want to kill myself. I don't fit in. I'm not the best. I'm not the, the, the, the great, I wanna just can't, I mean, we have the highest suicide rate right now of kids.

Michael Magrutsche: Because we can't fit in, we can't see how to fit in. I would love to know how much art has saved humans to not give up. Because the system relevance of, you know, we, we put you in a form, whatever we need you, is killing us, because we are all one of one. And we need to learn to [00:01:00] collaborate, not to be segregated.

Michael Magrutsche: In race, sexuality gender to fit, to fit what the system needs. Who cares? We created the system. We can change it. 

De'Vannon Seráphino: My beautiful souls, I give you Michael Magrutsche Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Sex, Drugs, and Jesus podcast. My name is Davanon Serafino. I am your host, recording from New York City. I'm so proud to be able to say that. It's been a long road to get me here, but God has been good. Today I have my guest Michael McRooch, did I say that right?

De'Vannon Seráphino: Yeah, perfectly. And and he's an author. A podcast host. He's written, they've written six books. Let me just. Read it's a little snippet. So he's from Newport Beach, California Former [00:02:00] artist well, no former artist can former former art commissioner in Newport Beach, California Although Michael is our Austrian Californian multimedia artist totally self taught author of six books podcaster speaker And a guide to business people all over the world.

De'Vannon Seráphino: One of your books is called the smart of art, a new art consciousness to awaken our enthusiasm for art. The podcast is also called The Smart of Art Podcast, The Power of Art and Creativity. Can you tell us about your books, 

Michael Magrutsche: please? The books are all about art, because it, gave me so much awareness that I could actually write six books about it, about art and, or the from art. And I found there is a basic misunderstanding it's system relevant where it's [00:03:00] about the art product. And if your product fits into the system, what the system needs, you are famous.

Michael Magrutsche: You know, if your art doesn't fit, like Van Gogh, it didn't fit, nobody wanted it, they call you crazy, and it is not worth anything. So, but now it's the most expensive art in the world, right? So, you see, whatever the system says is not correct, whatever news says is not correct, it is what people need, what the system needs.

Michael Magrutsche: And everybody caters to that. So if I'm gonna be, today need to have a moustache, I wear a moustache. If I have to change my hair, I change my hair. Just to be part of the tribe. Which is DNA driven, we're all DNA driven. We wanna be unique, we know about our uniqueness. That we are one of one consciously or subconsciously, but we also driven to be a part because we are the [00:04:00] part of this human weave where everybody is a part of, it's like, it will be like in nature.

Michael Magrutsche: Do you think the Sharaf says I'm better than you zebra because I'm taller and have a different pattern? No, they are all working together. And then the beauty of light living is in because we are all unique and all different. Imagine if we would be all the same when we are getting close to that already, and it's very poor and boring, if it would be all the same.

Michael Magrutsche: You got, you are one of one, so show it. Show that you are one of one. So is that like 

De'Vannon Seráphino: at the heart and the core and the epicenter of all the work that you do? The podcast, the books, to inspire people to just be themselves? 

Michael Magrutsche: I had such a hard time until 50 to fit into systems.

Michael Magrutsche: I was driven to fit into systems and I was partly system relevant, but I I didn't enjoy it. [00:05:00] So when I worked with Robert Evans, who did The Godfather and Chinatown, and I lived in his house and met everybody, I wasn't satisfied. I was afraid of losing that system relevance, you know. I was satisfied with our friendship.

Michael Magrutsche: We had a real good friendship. See, the human is always the juice. Not the systemic, you know, if you were the mayor of New York, I wouldn't care if I don't like you, I don't like you, if I like you, I'll dance with you, you know, it's just, it's just, it doesn't matter what your system life elements is, because I know you are one of one and I'm one of one.

Michael Magrutsche: So we got to dance or we don't. It's just how it is. 

De'Vannon Seráphino: Yeah, spoken, you know, spoken like somebody who's found their authentic selves, you know, it's, it is the quest in life that I think everyone is on, as they say, the race is with ourselves, not against other people. And one of the main challenges is discovering who you are, why you are.

De'Vannon Seráphino: [00:06:00] And that is huge. And a lot of unhappiness stems from people trying to be like everybody else. And art, in and of itself, is beautiful. We've got our colorful backgrounds going today. You have, you know, in your books, y'all, check out his art. It'll, everything is going to be in the show notes. His website is going to be michaelm.

De'Vannon Seráphino: com. That's Michael with two L's. Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Pinterest, X, or Twitter, whatever you want to call it. YouTube, all is going to be on the show notes. You know, and it's all very colorful, all very thoughtful. And I'm super excited that you're using art to inspire people. So the next time my listeners go to an art show, they're going to look at art from a different perspective.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And some people who've never been to art shows are going to go to start going to art shows now. So he says that you're a self. Todd, talk to me about when you first started creating art, what made you pick up that first [00:07:00] paintbrush or pencil? What was your first media? Why did you even start? 

Michael Magrutsche: Okay, so I was born in Austria, so I was a sick child, and I could go out in nature and stuff, and we had a little yard.

Michael Magrutsche: Where I created a little shed for me, you know, and it was so fulfilling, the creation, as you know, when you create something in the podcast, it's so fulfilling because you're allowing something to come in and dance with other humans. And that's what's fulfilling. And when it is fulfilling, then what it says is you were on the right path.

Michael Magrutsche: The fulfilling is the feedback loop that you're on the right. I didn't know that then I was just like everybody blind. Just trying this thing. I liked it. Then I wanted to be like Jimi Hendrix. I wanted to be a guitar player. And I bought an electric guitar but 45 years ago or longer, it was forbidden in Europe [00:08:00] systemically that you play an electric guitar.

Michael Magrutsche: You have to learn first a classical guitar. I learned two years classical guitar and I can about play four chords. And because I wasn't aware that I was neurodiverse, which, and also dysgraphia, dyslexia with dysgraphia, meaning my hand brain coordination that I would need for playing guitar was, was not, was not available.

Michael Magrutsche: My brain couldn't do that, doesn't matter how long I worked, it wouldn't, it wouldn't do it. Nobody taught me that. And I found out, and after two years, I thought, you know, I love music and everything, but it I guess I'm not playing an instrument. And then about a half a year, year later, a friend of mine they, you know, they had a, a disco party and they people playing.

Michael Magrutsche: And they said to me, oh, Mike, the, the, the, the, [00:09:00] the, the percussionist is out. Can you just, I know you're good with the rhythm and stuff, can you play? And I said, I have never tried that. I'm good, not good with instruments. He said, just try it. Just do the cowbell on the straight. On the one and, and, and just to the, and I start, stop blooming up.

Michael Magrutsche: I played the Congress, everything I knew instinctively what to do. I just danced around and then I did a record and was invited to sessions and all this stuff. So this, this, this taught me, see, art taught me, try a lot of instrument to find yours because you are one of one, if you were a Jimi Hendrix. I can't copy you, but I can be a percussionist that is good enough where I feel comfortable with, to play openly and, and, and events and everything, and do a record.

Michael Magrutsche: So [00:10:00] this is what I teach every, what I say to every, every person that has kids, never buy a piano or saxophone or anything expensive, just borrow it, let them try everything and let them feel where they resonate with. And then when, when they play you know, a while this then, but you can buy a piano or whatever, when you see that they're, they're, they're, they're flowering up.

Michael Magrutsche: And I discovered that art gave me so much self esteem every time. You know, it, we all, when we are middle age, when we we all think, Oh my God, I'm not fitting in. I'm another, adolescent I want to, you know, I want to kill myself. I don't fit in. I'm not the best. I'm not the, the, the, the great, I wanna just can't, I mean, we have the highest suicide rate right now of kids.

Michael Magrutsche: Because we can't fit in, we can't see how to fit in. And then we listen to a one song, we see one movie,

Michael Magrutsche: we see one performance we [00:11:00] go to, and we keep, we change our mind and keep living. I would love to know how much art has saved humans to not give up. Because the system relevance of, you know, we, we put you in a form, whatever we need you, is killing us, because we are all one of one. And we need to learn to collaborate, not to be segregated.

Michael Magrutsche: In race, sexuality gender to fit, to fit what the system needs. Who cares? We created the system. We can change it. I'm not against systems at all. I'm very pro systems. But I think it needs to be updated that, that we see, Oh my God, we can do so much more if we work together. And art, you know, art isn't racist.

Michael Magrutsche: It isn't sexist. It's not genderist. Because We had, we had quarterbacks playing, playing an old woman in a theater piece. It doesn't matter. It's [00:12:00] about the piece. A symphony orchestra doesn't look and say, Oh, you know, we all have to have the, the Harvard students and they have to be all white or have to be all, they have to have a degree.

Michael Magrutsche: You go there. It doesn't matter. You play the flute better than anybody else. It doesn't matter where you come from. That's what art does. Art is our biggest teacher. There's no, no bigger teacher than nature and art in the world.

Michael Magrutsche: Well, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: I, I, I, I concur. I agree. My prayer Is that people, their minds and their spirits become open and their eyes become open to see the lessons that are available through art and music because it is there, but somebody has to be activated like people have to be able to see. And so, but you know, there's always a new day as long as we're breathing, we can [00:13:00] start all over.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Again, you, you wrote in my research review that you felt like art creation saved your life. You were mentioning, like, like suicide and everything like that, and how it helped your self esteem. Were you ever suicidal at some point? Or, you know, how bad did it get 

Michael Magrutsche: for you? I don't think there's a human that never thought about suicide, especially with so much systemic pressure.

Michael Magrutsche: I, I don't believe there's anybody. That's, you know, if unless you, you get born, go to school and you're the quarterback right away and everybody loves you and everything. I think everybody thinks. Because I've never met a person. This is the funny thing. I've never met a person that said, Oh, I fit in totally.

Michael Magrutsche: I'm loving the system life, and I love what they asked me to do, the generalizations of all the white people, of all the black people, all the Asian people. You know, I love it. I fit totally in. Nobody does. You can talk to [00:14:00] Taylor Swift, to anybody. They've never felt, they're not filled in. But I don't even know that, because I know Oscar nominees and Oscar winners that said that the Oscar didn't do anything for them.

Michael Magrutsche: It actually put them in a very challenging position to create better and more what people expect. And, and then all of a sudden they can pay, you know, they think that when you have an Oscar, you can pay for the people that are too expensive. So, so artists that like independent movies hate the Oscars really, ultimately.

Michael Magrutsche: When they find it out or they find it out because there's, you know, that there's very few super big movies anymore. In the old days was a lot of big movies. There's much less now. And if, if you are deemed as a player, [00:15:00] you got to play a games and, and there's some tremendous competition and, and the people that love acting, that's that passion.

Michael Magrutsche: That's their fulfillment. They can't do independent films because now they are deemed soci, societally societal that they're the top of the mountain and they can, it's like, it's like if let's say you and I wanna make a movie and say it wouldn't be great, Taylor Swift would exactly be that character.

Michael Magrutsche: We couldn't put in. We couldn't. That would be perhaps the most fulfilling experience for Taylor for a month, you know, to create that movie. She would never forget it. And it can never happen because the system says that can't happen. I mean, it's crazy.

Michael Magrutsche: I think 

De'Vannon Seráphino: about, like, and I, I, I agree because what you're talking about is a very beautifully, or a prison that's been designed to look cute, even though what [00:16:00] you're describing is entrapment. My broker up here in New York, who was helping me find, like, my real estate, you know, up here and stuff, was telling me how, she's not overly fond of dealing with, Corporate people and like high level business people.

De'Vannon Seráphino: She finds them to be heart achingly boring, you know, cookie cutter all the same. And there's just not a whole lot of. And her, you know, her opinion layers to people who do the same shit again and again and again, you know, get up, go to work, hit up Starbucks, get a bagel, catch the train, you know, wear the outfits, go to the board meetings, rinse, wash, repeat.

De'Vannon Seráphino: She's all like, they're just, they're just like fucking lame to her. And I wonder. I wonder if on some deep level, people who have, and it doesn't matter how much money they're making either, like at some point it's just the same shit, they get [00:17:00] worn out from all this extensive travel. Everywhere and all, you know, and, you know, and et cetera, back and forth all over the world.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And I wonder if they think the same thing, like their life is boring. It looks like everyone else. The guy in the next cubicle, the girl in the next office building, all their friends downtown. You know, it's not that much variance. I wonder if they harbor a certain sort of dissatisfaction in their soul. I feel very 

Michael Magrutsche: sorry for all the top people.

Michael Magrutsche: Because this is what, what we want, right? The people that, that are in middle class or below middle class, they want to get to be a leader. And then this, why do they want to get a leader? Because I couldn't figure it out, because I was a natural leader all the time, and I could never figure out why everybody wants to be a leader because I am a guy that cares for humans.

Michael Magrutsche: And that, that is the, I'm the [00:18:00] guy that spins the plates and make sure that all the plates are spun, not, not one that says, Oh, I don't like the green plates. No, the yellow plates. I don't know. I just focus on the black plates or on the red plates. It, it, it, it, it's a very, you have to be the most self-aware person.

Michael Magrutsche: When you are a leader. You cannot be anybody that just system event and says, oh, I can do this really well. You need to be, as any leader, you need to be the most system the most self-aware person in the whole thing, and you need to be. understanding humans and that you learn through self awareness. So that's one thing.

Michael Magrutsche: And I think when people believe, and I got the answer because most people, because I talked to a lot of people and they said, they want to be leaders to be finally not having to do this, the boring system work, but that others put their system work and they can [00:19:00] be, do what they want to do. But what, when they want to do, but this is the big lie.

Michael Magrutsche: If you think, oh, I want to be Taylor Swift. You, you think Taylor Swift can do what she wants to do? No way! Do you think Elon Musk can do what he wants to do? I think we have a better time, even with a lack of fame and money or whatever, have a better time being human than system relevant super leaders that are completely because you know very well that The people that surrounded leaders, the system sees, Oh my God, there's money to be made.

Michael Magrutsche: They're not letting you to be human. They're not letting you to be you, you, who you are. And that's why you have so many people that are leaders that get disturbed. Like Putin, like all these people that do wars and all this stuff. They get disturbed. They get disturbed and they put it in a corner and you know, when you [00:20:00] get the cutest animal you put in a corner, it bites.

Michael Magrutsche: And yeah, you know, the survival mechanism is the most and that's why we say, oh, power corrupts. No, it doesn't. It is the system craziness, how we set up systems that as soon as I can get some money, fame or success. Everybody sucks you in and these people in the system leaders have such a hard time to balance this because they were their whole life.

Michael Magrutsche: They sacrificed to get in that position and then they get in the position. It is not just only burden. You know why? I mean, this guy loved what he does and everything, but it killed him to be the master. And you see, this is like one after the other kills themselves. Amy Winehouse, all these people, these are super talented, super, they sacrificed everything to get to this position and the position is like, was a lie, [00:21:00] sorry, it was a system lie.

Michael Magrutsche: Like the Oscar, well, like everything else, like every other reward, you know, I, I, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: I concur. So, you know, we we better enjoy our days now because when we become rich and famous and we'll be on a schedule and we'll have all these people buzzing around, but there are a lot of followers who are in leadership positions.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And this is like an epidemic globally. They got no business being there because being a natural born leader is a gift. From God, from the heavens, whatever you want to call it. You can't go to business school to really to have that ability to have empathy, leadership, and that charisma that makes people want to follow you.

De'Vannon Seráphino: I believe that one of the main things people hated about Barack Obama. is that he has that thing, that it factor. You know, he ain't white, and yet people were just magnetized to him because he is a natural born leader, and it pissed off people who covet [00:22:00] such things. But, honey, either you have it or you don't.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And if you don't, go set your ass down somewhere and find out where you do have it and stop, stop throwing shade and being hateful at people who do because you probably have It somewhere does not in the thing that you're envious of. I don't feel either, yeah. So rather than being envious and hateful at Barack Obama or Michael or myself, because we got it going on in our element, like Michael said, he had to stumble and make mistakes before he found that groove.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Same thing for me, same thing for you, but I can guarantee you being bitter and negative and nasty and hateful is not going to help you grow or get you anywhere. 

Michael Magrutsche: And I didn't, I was so in crisis. That I couldn't, I couldn't be, you know, I couldn't be angry just and blame people because that would have killed me.

Michael Magrutsche: You can't finger point and blame. You've got to figure out why. And then you have to understand, [00:23:00] see, this is what helps us so much when we segregate our existence and saying, okay, what is system relevance? What bugs me? System relevance, which shouldn't bug you anything. It just, it just is, you know, it's, you're a leader and you're a leader.

Michael Magrutsche: Wrong. You're not a leader. You're not a leader. You can't force yourself through it. I mean, I cannot force myself to be Jimi Hendrix, you know, there is Jimi Hendrix, there is wonderful guitarists and I can't be that, but I can't be this. That's what I'm right now. And that's, that's what, that's, that's, that's what people understand.

Michael Magrutsche: There's a lot of research done that 97 percent of three to four year old kids are geniuses. And when they, when they finish and graduate and everything, there's only 3 percent left that are gifted. So after, so 3 percent less. Are everybody is one of one and everybody is a superstar in [00:24:00] his own right and just can't figure it out because they haven't learned what it is to be human.

Michael Magrutsche: They have to be made system relevant right away. What systems need. So I'm working also on educational model work because I have no education. I have six years school. I had to repeat because I couldn't comprehend or regurgitate. And I, we, we, we look for, for team sports to be organized, the masculine team art where we create where it doesn't matter what it is attending to a pet.

Michael Magrutsche: So nonverbal interaction, like you have by nature and then awareness class and everybody does everything. So. If the artists say, I don't want to do a sport, then you say, okay, you are creative, you're an artist, then you do the jerseys, you be a you be the referee, you do this, and the guy says, I'm a quarterback, I'm not playing the second fiddle.

Michael Magrutsche: No, you put him, [00:25:00] and you put him they had to play the old lady that we don't have. So you play that in the, in the arts and, and experience that everybody is together every, every race. There's not no, no thing of segregation and then have awareness and talk about it because once you know what it is to be human and to be aware of that.

Michael Magrutsche: Because kids are naturally aware of, they have no racism, they have no genderism, they have no thing, they are, they are fearless, you know, they play with animals, they do things that is crazy, but then we educate them right away and all the helicopter parents come in. And then it's, and then they are lost and never find themselves.

Michael Magrutsche: So that's why I want to teach them first before they get system relevant and to get any education, what it means to be human and you don't have to wait like you and me. We have to, all this time we had to unprogram ourselves to say, Oh my God, it's not about me. It's [00:26:00] that wasn't my, and I'm not shamed. I'm not feeling guilty that this was just.

Michael Magrutsche: Because I wasn't aware of it and the whole that's why I can't blame all these leaders that are screwed up because they're not aware You know, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: this makes me think about how in X Men and When Jean Grey had that dark phoenix inside of her and professor Xavier put those psychic blocks Yeah, they keep that dark phoenix tamed.

De'Vannon Seráphino: So the helicopter parents Social media, the world, people's quote unquote friends who are around them, and especially in toxic masculine circles, there's a lot of unintentional and sometimes intentional psychic blocks that are put up. And so what I'm hearing you say is when people are young, those blocks aren't there.

De'Vannon Seráphino: By the time they graduate high school, they're all blocked up. And then now we're in our adult years. Going to all kinds of hypnotherapy or therapists or whatever, trying to basically do what the Dark Phoenix had to do [00:27:00] was to move the blocks out of the way. Now, I'm not saying we all have some crazy, psychic, fiery bird inside of us that's trying to burn everything down and be destructive, but I think everyone gets my meaning, like the core and the epicenter.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Your inner child, your creativity is, is slowly imprisoned gradually over the years of you growing up that you can't figure out who you are, why you're not happy, and then you end up chasing things like sex, money, leadership positions, rather than being authentic to your true self. Now, since we mentioned race, I have a a perspective about this that I want to get your opinion on, especially now that we're in Black History Month.

De'Vannon Seráphino: It is my opinion, as somebody who is considered to be African American, that I, I personally don't care for the, to emphasize, say, like, my blackness, quote, [00:28:00] unquote. Racism is real. The struggles that the answers has went through are 100 percent real. It affects us today. I hate what they did with affirmative action.

De'Vannon Seráphino: All relevant. Sometimes, though, in certain rooms that I've been in, where it's been like, say, all Black people, or in all Black families, I feel like the emphasis is so much on trying to be Black, and what being Black means. That the, that the individual is lost in the process, you know? And it was so bad. Oh, beautiful.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And right. And it was thinking it was so bad to the point growing up that if I wanted to, 'cause I was into like alternative music as well as hip hop, you know, Linus Marette, red Hot Chili Peppers, and Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg. But, you know, if I wanted to play alternative music or go to Gad Zoox or Hot Topic and get JCO jeans or side winders.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And the black kids at school, you know, are calling me names and stuff because I'm not dressing black, [00:29:00] talking black, acting black. So I can't be myself without looking like a sellout even though I have not done anything except for Worn a different color jean, brand of jeans, or dare to listen to rock and roll.

De'Vannon Seráphino: You know, what do you 

Michael Magrutsche: think? First of all, art has no judgment or anything. Art wants to be created and exposed. It doesn't say, this is black art, this is what the system says, this is black. But I was playing. EPMD Grandmaster Flash. I was a DJ. When I heard the first rap album, I wasn't seeing, oh, that's black music.

Michael Magrutsche: That's why it's so great. I thought, Oh my God, look at that rhythm because I'm a percussionist, right? And I said, Oh my God, look at this rhythm. And I said, Oh my God, I can't, I can't, I can't handle it. But I played Sinatra, [00:30:00] then Public Enemy, then I played Morissette, then I played The Stones. I mixed it all together because I've never was defined by.

Michael Magrutsche: I was never defined by system segregation because I couldn't fit systems. I tell you, I would be very systematic probably now if I would have not been neurodiverse and fit in the system right away, it would have treated me too. It would have, what do you call it? Conditioned me too, you know?

Michael Magrutsche: But I'm not conditioned and that's why I was successful actually. I was, I hit with a DJ when I did fashion shows. I create, I hit the human common denominator, which is human. It's not gender. It's not race. It's, it's a common denominator is human. And I totally agree because I feel the same about woman.

Michael Magrutsche: I feel woman want to be [00:31:00] system relevantly equal. And when you are by nature equal, like race, like every Asian, like every black person, like any person on this world is equal because nature doesn't make mistakes, you wouldn't be alive if you wouldn't equal, you will be long extinguished, you would have died out, if you, if everybody should be white, then there wouldn't be any race, because nature would have taken care of it, nature doesn't make mistakes.

Michael Magrutsche: So it's like the zebra cannot be angry at the giraffe or at the horse because they look different. The look, how you look makes nothing. And then when the system segregates you into, Ah, we conquered this land. And that's why we are the bosses and we won. And now you are secondary [00:32:00] when the, the guys get, get run into the war because they can kill better and they can focus more on that killing.

Michael Magrutsche: The women are secondary and they're going to cook for the, for the soldiers and they serve the soldiers. Like the slaves served the people that, that got your country, that got the money or got the country. And this is completely systemic. It's created systemically. It wasn't before. Do you see a zebra attacking a horse?

Michael Magrutsche: Do you see a giraffe? Killing an ape? No, they all, you all dance together, all living beings dance, dance again, and everybody has a purpose, because everybody is one and one. So, the problem is, I feel when you told this story, I feel the same with, with, with gender, which is also system relevant, creation, categorization, that becomes a stereotype and [00:33:00] then the woman, or the race, or whatever that is, sexuality, Integrate.

Michael Magrutsche: For example, since so you mentioned social media, social media could be to cover our, and it's functions like that, but it is not said that we can all interconnect to each other. But, you know, all humans can be one and interconnect, exchange, talk because we can travel, you know, we can fly to everywhere when we went and today we found that we have friends all over the world.

Michael Magrutsche: Yeah. I mean, I'm from Austria. I'm living in LA and I'm talking to you, you know, it's just, and we find how we can help each other collaborate with each other. Not how I can be better than you. Win or lose, win or lose, win or lose, you can't, you, humans don't, can't win or lose or be right or wrong [00:34:00] because everybody, there is no right or wrong.

Michael Magrutsche: Everybody's unique. We can collaborate.

Michael Magrutsche: And so when I think, woman, I say, please, there is some, they are very protected by angels, if you ask me, because They're not fighting, to be system relevant because when, when race or gender gets, or sexuality gets system relevance, that means you're flawed by nature. You're flawed by nature and you should be thankful to the system.

Michael Magrutsche: You're more indebted to the systems that it gave you equality. You are equal. Every race, every gender is equal by nature. When you do a reverse engineering, what systems actually created to make you different value? Then you, you, you distort the whole thing, period. There's only one truth. We are all humans and everybody's a one-On-one period.

Michael Magrutsche: [00:35:00] Everybody has a different view on life. E two, so you have 8 billion people that are all one of one and 8 billion views life perspectives. You tell me what is right and wrong. Y'all, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: Michael said period. Period. 

Michael Magrutsche: Totally period. Totally 

De'Vannon Seráphino: period. So I'm going to read a little excerpt from a part of art book.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And I want to get some thoughts on this. So, from the book, Michael says, I discovered art has been misunderstood on a fundamental level. We're shifting gears to talking about primarily Art for a second here, says we distorted its essential properties and reduced art mostly to bad money making propositions or higher forms of entertainment.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Talk to me about what you think went wrong. Because we've [00:36:00] talked about the value of art from your perspective of using it to inspire people to discover their true selves. Was art ever doing that? And we're talking about performing arts. You know any type of artistic media, you know, the canvases behind us, all of this, was it ever being done right?

De'Vannon Seráphino: And if so, when did it stop and what 

Michael Magrutsche: happened? It got done right when, when in the old, old ages,

Michael Magrutsche: A really poor guy was sitting in a corner and eating his lunch and said, Oh my God, I want to make a, this guy's made it a caricature of you or a perfect likeness, a portrait. Right. And the, the, the, the, the guy that worked for the king saw that and then no, the king And everybody was bored, right? There was nothing.

Michael Magrutsche: That's why you had jesters and everything. And that's why this, Oh my God, come with me to the king. I want to show it, or [00:37:00] give me that. And I'm going to show it to the king and a king like that drawing like that comedy, you know, And then it's, I'm your patron, I'm going to, and then all of that came, Oh, you can paint, Oh, here's the oil oils that you need.

Michael Magrutsche: And you paint me, but make sure that the horse is bigger than I am, or I'm bigger than the horse or whatever. So they use that and enjoy it, that interaction, right? When more and more people started being artists, the moment the system could select what sells.

Michael Magrutsche: So for example, they can say nothing for me, but they can sell everything from you. They don't care about me. They don't call me an artist. They call you an artist, pump you up and sell your work. And I think that's worth it because you are a commodity for every system. If, and you see what's happening with Taylor Swift, [00:38:00] I hate to refer to her, but she's such a great example.

Michael Magrutsche: Now they all start attacking her. First she was the best thing since sliced bread, and now she is like, you know, oh my God. And now all they attack us. And the moment she took a system relevant decision by giving her, which, how can you make, that was a major mistake. How can you make a, you vote what you vote and doesn't matter what you vote.

Michael Magrutsche: It's irrelevant what you vote because you, you are one of one, you don't know what I vote and, and to, to make yourself saying, Oh, the Democrats want this and the Republicans want this. It's insane. That's why I never took a part. I'm independent. Because you can not say that you, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: what? Don't tell me again.

De'Vannon Seráphino: What happened? Tell me again the person you're referencing right now.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Taylor Swift. Okay. 

Michael Magrutsche: [00:39:00] I didn't. I'm saying, I'm saying Taylor Swift, everybody wanted her to win, right? Okay. Everybody wanted her to win, and she's such a good example. I have nothing to do with Taylor Swift, but she's such a great example. She was the greatest. And before her was Billie Eilish, right? And now they shifted all to Taylor Swift.

Michael Magrutsche: And Billie Eilish had to change her image and everything. And just to be system relevant, is that her? Is that not her? Is the previous Billie Eilish her? There's that new with Billie Eilish her Taylor Swift make a decision a system relevant decision said, I'm not, I'm against this party. I'm for this party. She's, she's doing a system relevant decision and now it's for getting to humans. So all the people that love her because of her music, the natural thing, hate her because she's the wrong party. Now I'm telling you, every time you do system relevant things in your career, you lose every time, every time, because [00:40:00] you, you segregating people, you can say, and have you ever heard petition to say, I'm talking about humans.

Michael Magrutsche: They talk about the American people, the New York citizens, the L. A. people, the Californians. They never talk about, okay, it could be you know, help, help all humans. They only select what media provides a problem. Pumps up a problem, and then politicians, and I tell you that because I'm a political advisor, so, and, and the politic, and, and the politician take what is hot in media, solve the problem, and then take pro, great, but the, the, there's much bigger problems in the world that they, and they segregate that.

Michael Magrutsche: They helped, let's say, they helped only the, whatever, the green people, let's say that. They only helped the green people. Almost nobody is green. And they [00:41:00] get awarded that they help the green people and whatever. The green people itself don't feel the help. It's just that one, they, they saved and, and, and this is a thing.

Michael Magrutsche: And all they talk is about system, relevant thing. They're not talking what you and I talk about humans. They talk about. Okay, how can we get more taxes or less taxes? How can we solve this problem? How can we solve welfare? They never talk about humans. And, and that's why I think a system relevant talk is complete waste of time.

Michael Magrutsche: That's why podcasts, cleaning up with media, media has loses everywhere because, because podcastings are talking about human issues, one human to another, and other people can actually relate. You can't relate. To system talk because it's not genuine. It is [00:42:00] 40 20 people team that make you a news trying to get as higher rating, as highest rating as possible.

Michael Magrutsche: It's not about the truth, about helping people, supporting humanity. It's, it's, it's, it's creating dissonance. It's creating attention. And this is another thing. Attention in nature, you get two ways. Either I want to blow up to attract you, or I'm crawling and crying and said, get away, get away from me.

Michael Magrutsche: I'm, I'm pissed. I need to submit. So this is why you need attention. But in systems, systemically, what we use the tension for, it never, it never gets anywhere. So it's always false hope. We have false hope. I'm going to be. So everybody's a mindset. Also very systemic of false hope when I get my corner office and my CEO title, [00:43:00] I, it will, it will, justify all the sacrifice I did for systems and it never does.

Michael Magrutsche: And then you're really pissed when, when you work 30 years for, for getting a position, being the mayor, getting that, whatever, and then it doesn't pay off. And then you actually more sucked out than you and I Oh, my God, Daniel. Of course, people are leaders, I think, and that's power corrupts. No, it doesn't corrupt.

Michael Magrutsche: Power doesn't corrupt. It's ourselves. We have set a system and we can change it. We can change social media tomorrow to say it's an exchange medium and we can figure out better ways to make money for the systems. You know we created them. We can change it. We are not the God of nature. We are not the God of our birth, but we are the God's.

Michael Magrutsche: Of systems so we can change him, adapt them and we are creative. Everybody's creative. We can create, we can update all the systems that we have [00:44:00] because we're constantly growing humans constantly grow 

De'Vannon Seráphino: my, excuse me, my word of caution to the world about that. And I echo you is the example that. Jesus Christ gave from the Hebrew Bible when he was going through the cornfields with his disciples and they got to picking the corn and eating it or when he was doing miracles on the Sabbath day, and they were eating, you know, and I'm sorry, he gave the example of David, he, you know, eating like the priest food and things like that.

De'Vannon Seráphino: It was against the rules, as was him doing miracles on the Sabbath day, and the Lord made it clear to people that rules are made for people, or systems are made for people, not people for rules, or not people for systems, and so he took the liberty to adjust. The systems or the rules and everything in order to keep [00:45:00] people in community and to make it work because everybody's going to have unique circumstances.

De'Vannon Seráphino: The rules are there as a general guide. So there's not chaos and pandemonium, but we never ever sacrifice a chance to do good for somebody or to elevate or to heal. Yes, for the sake of keeping the system intact, which is something the church completely fucking. 100%. That's why I don't fuck with the church because they missed all that.

De'Vannon Seráphino: I don't give a damn about it. And that's why I work for myself because I will not be a slave to systems and rules and shit because it's not about the person. It's about keeping the system going. And I say, fuck the matrix.

Michael Magrutsche: But, but you know, let's keep the system go. But I believe we can keep the system going we created systems. We can change it. If you cannot talk to each other, then I'm sorry. We, we, we voted in you. We voted every politician in [00:46:00] for safety, security.

Michael Magrutsche: And for peace to have to live in peace to be the pursuit of happiness in America, at least, you know, that's why we created leaders, not only tax money to kill other humans somewhere else that we don't even know. Do you want that? I'm coming to you and say, you know what, you know what, give me a grant. I want to buy a gun to kill somebody in Russia.

Michael Magrutsche: This is exactly what government, and we can't allow systems to do that. We can't allow systems to say, we take the tax money that you earned hard to kill other humans. So humans have to be first. We cannot violate other humans. We have to collaborate and find a system to have them collaborate. Not win, lose, good, bad, right, wrong.

Michael Magrutsche: The linearity of systems is killing us. [00:47:00] It was good for a long time because, you know, it had to get started, it has to learn something. But now is a, is a time where we have to update systems. And they, they need artists, they need, very diverse people to show them how, how to make it more human centric.

Michael Magrutsche: And when you are human centric, everybody wins. And in nature, win lose. If you, if you're an animal that is eaten, you're the weakest animal and you know, you're sacrificing for the bigger good, that the, the balance in nature is given. But you're not just the, the, the, the lion doesn't think, oh, I'm gonna kill all the gazelle to have two years enough to eat.

Michael Magrutsche: That's irrelevant. That is not natural.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Mention Gray, I heard you mention the word neurodiverse, so we're getting ready to wrap it up and switch over to our chat show section, but I want you to please before we do that, talk to us about your, like what neurodiversity is, which is. [00:48:00] Basically, people's having their own way of thinking about things.

De'Vannon Seráphino: And if, and if, if you're on the autism spectrum or how that relates. And usually I let my guests have like the last word to say whatever they want. But today I'd like you to have to explain neurodiversity, where you're at with that and how you can be misunderstood with that. I think a lot of people need to hear that.

De'Vannon Seráphino: After you explain that, I want you to speak to specifically, like, young children who are at that vulnerable, I don't know, three year old stage, five year old stage, maybe three. You know, like, like, like back when you said that most people start off highly intellectual, then it gets stamped out of them and blockaded.

De'Vannon Seráphino: You know, a word of encouragement to somebody at that level. So what is neurodiversity? Where are you at on the spectrum and a word of encouragement to somebody young.

Michael Magrutsche: Okay. I am neurodiversity is another [00:49:00] system term like black, white woman, man, sexuality the, because it's, it's this, there's no dyslexic person that is the same as the other. They couldn't system, the system couldn't put a pattern in. The system cannot put a pattern in if you have PTSD, it cannot, it cannot be autism, it cannot put a pattern in, so all these mental, abnormalities, quote unquote, which I don't think are abnormalities, they're a uniqueness, but they're not abnormalities, are called systemically neurodiverse.

Michael Magrutsche: And we are all fitting in that thing, and there is subcategories, like everything, it has to be categorized. Which is good to understand it to, to dive deeper. But I'm dyslexic with dysgraphia. Meaning that my dyslexia also has a [00:50:00] brain hand. You know, that's why I cannot do portraits. I can do abstract art, but I can't do, I can't do portraits.

Michael Magrutsche: I can't play guitar. I can play percussion because that's natural. That is a natural left, right. It is a natural, you know, percussion is so old. It's so in us, it's more essential than systemically creating an instrument like guitar. And I believe from all my, I'm an advocate for, for, for, neuro diversity.

Michael Magrutsche: I also support and I'm, I'm in the board of, the Octopus Movement. And I help them, I support them because they are explaining that we are normal. That actually it's not abnormal to be neurodiverse. It's just a different, that, that you, it's like you have a [00:51:00] different color than me. It's I think differently than you, but I'm thinking and you are living.

Michael Magrutsche: So we're both existing. We are both humans. And we can enrich each other by explaining that we are different, right? I mean, and I think neurodiverse could have, don't have the, I think the, why we are neurodiverse is we don't have the energy to adapt. We don't have the energy to adapt because the most, as you said before, The most adapted are the most boring people, the most system relevant people are the most boring people, you know, and Elon Musk is neurodiverse, and he created something genius, he created his own systems in systems, only now he has to connect with the other systems, and the problems come, and that's why he collapses and all this other stuff, you know, so wonderful human being, [00:52:00] everybody's a wonderful human being, you know.

Michael Magrutsche: Till you get in touch with the distortion of system relevance and because it's deemed as the holy truth, but it's not the holy truth. Okay. So, that's, oh, you want me to know, what did you want, you want to know something 

De'Vannon Seráphino: else, right? No, just a word of encouragement to the little children out there. Who might be, you are, 

Michael Magrutsche: you will want all your munchkins.

Michael Magrutsche: First of all, you're not small. I never talk down to children and I never talk down to elder humans. So I want you to figure out. How you are unique. And this is gonna fulfill you and you don't have to sacrifice or anything.

Michael Magrutsche: It's gonna fulfill you and it gets your passion. So always chase fulfillment and your passion 

De'Vannon Seráphino: absolutely, absolutely beautiful. Here's to everybody finding their uniqueness and owning that [00:53:00] shit. Feel free to be weird, y'all. Nobody wants to be the same old same. You know, you know, be strange, be different, be unique, think for yourself. And when somebody asks you why you think what you think, why you believe what you believe, say it's due to your own Personal convictions and research, not because all the other guys are doing it, all the other girls are doing it, all the other, they, they, them are doing it or because you're black or because you're white or because you're whatever race or because you're French or because you're American, do it because it's you.

De'Vannon Seráphino: Find the you within this universe. 

Michael Magrutsche: And don't be, and don't be, don't be different for different sake. Find your uniqueness. You, nature has given you a one of one, this is super special. So every time you ever think, Oh my God, I don't know if I want to live in this world. Think again, because you are one of 8 billion.[00:54:00]

Michael Magrutsche: Can you imagine? If there was a Ferrari that was one of all the Ferraris, it would be endless money. And you are human. You're not a, you're not a thing like a Ferrari. So you are super valuable. And, and, and B, find you. It's finding you. Don't look outside. 

De'Vannon Seráphino: Absolutely. So let's switch over to our dad jokes. I have three.

De'Vannon Seráphino: They're from a website called growingfamily. co. uk. Totally corny. Don't have to answer them, they're just meant to be silly and lighten the mood. So, first one, where do vampires go to buy their art supplies? 

Michael Magrutsche: Art supplies? Where would they go? They're vampires, okay. So they love the, they love the, the, the, you know, I'm in love with blood red, right?

Michael Magrutsche: So they started taking the blood red [00:55:00] and seeing what smears around on clothes and everything. And then they say, Oh my God, this is kind of boring, the red only, right? We got to get some other thing. And so they take grease. Which is black and black and red and then they go further and they and this is why they got it I think they just naturally because they got the natural thing of you know, sucking people's blood.

Michael Magrutsche: Now they get the natural sink from stealing some grease. And then the next sink going wherever they get some paint, you know, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: well, that that's a very good description. And the name of their, the name of the place that they go to is called Pennsylvania. 

Michael Magrutsche: Yeah. Oh, Pennsylvania. Yeah, I don't ask me where to get that thing.

Michael Magrutsche: I said, OK, 

De'Vannon Seráphino: so I know these are just meant to be corny. So that joke, number two, what kind of shoes do artists wear?[00:56:00]

De'Vannon Seráphino: Like what brand, 

Michael Magrutsche: what feels good? What feels good, because artists don't care about shoes. They are barefoot, they're whatever. They don't care about shoes. If they're most comfortable, they don't care about clothes either. The most of that, especially the real artists that are not system relevant, they don't care about those and they don't have money to buy Louis Vuitton.

Michael Magrutsche: So they, they wear whatever they wear and they have to be comfortable. They just, I mean, I would say artists are just happy to have shoes because they're so poor, you know. 

De'Vannon Seráphino: Amen to that. If they were to wear a brand though, my dad joke said that it would be called Skechers. 

Michael Magrutsche: Yeah, they're comfy. The Skechers are fun.

Michael Magrutsche: They're comfy, you know, and they want to have comfy shoes. 

De'Vannon Seráphino: Right. So then the last one is, [00:57:00] why did the artists add sugar to their paint?

De'Vannon Seráphino: To 

Michael Magrutsche: make it, to give it texture. 

De'Vannon Seráphino: To make it more palatable.

Michael Magrutsche: Steve, I'm not a joke. I don't understand jokes with my neurodiversity. But I use my creativity to dance with you. You know, but it's just perfect. You see, we actually expressed what we preach. You didn't say, oh, you said that wrong. That is only one answer. No, we danced. And in that dance, we both expanded our, our perception, right?

De'Vannon Seráphino: We danced, we twirled, as we do. So y'all, this has been my beautiful, beautiful guest Michael. Let me see if I can, Margrouch, very [00:58:00] beautiful last name, that could be like a, a new designer bag or something, Margrouch, and all his contact, all the contact information, the website will go in the show notes, Michael with two L's, M.

De'Vannon Seráphino: com, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Pinterest, Twitter, or X, and then YouTube, Michael, thank you so much for coming on the show today, being so doggone colorful, and I look forward to releasing this, especially the YouTube video, because this is going to be like so colorful, and so, Fine. So thank you so much.

Michael Magrutsche: You're welcome. Thank you so much for allowing me to paint. Indeed. 

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