Ep.72 Clearing Attachments & Reprogramming the Subconscious with Michael Keleman

Michael Keleman is a consciousness researcher, energetic wellness facilitator, and author with over 20 years of experience supporting deep healing and transformation. In this episode, he shares his awakening journey and how he works with pendulum dowsing, muscle testing, and intention to access the subconscious mind, clear energetic attachments, and support powerful shifts.

In this episode:

Michael’s journey of awakening

Entity attachments (what they are and how they’re cleared)

Pendulum dowsing as a tool for guidance and insight

Ring finger muscle testing and accessing subconscious information

The power of intention in healing and transformation

Being tested as you step into mastery

Real stories of clearing attachments

His unique healing system he is creating for clearing attachments and reprogramming limiting beliefs

Working with your higher self for guidance during sessions

Connect with Michael:

https://www.purelightwell.com/

instagram.com/purelight_energetic_wellness

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https://www.instagram.com/living.the.reiki.life/

For more information about us & our offerings:

Amanda:  https://www.instagram.com/reiki_with_manda/

Kristi:  https://www.instagram.com/thebirchsoul/


May Reiki Circle: Saturday May 16, 2026 at 10 a.m. CST https://ReikiwithManda.as.me/?appointmentType=83736771

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:15

Hey, it's Christy and Amanda, two girls from Saskatchewan, Canada, living the reiki life while working the nine to five.

SPEAKER_04 0:26

Hey, welcome back. You are here with myself, Amanda, and my co-host here, Christy. And this is episode 72. We have a great guest today that we will get into.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

But first, Christy and I are going to share just a couple little updates for you about us. And uh, Christy, how are things going? Yeah. Hi, everyone.

SPEAKER_06 0:48

You know, I was outside playing fetch with my dog before um we tuned in here, and it finally feels like spring. I saw a robin, the first robin. I haven't seen one since winter or sorry, since fall. So I always say that's like a sign of spring. So finally, that feels so good. I just can't wait to put my bare feet in the grass. Oh man, I miss that so much. Um, but yeah, what I wanted to talk about was um my Reiki sessions lately. And I find that right now I'm attracting a lot of like Reiki practitioners. So it's like people that are, it's not their first rodeo. I actually had one of the a spirit guide say that to me about the one Reiki session because I was like kind of going in and explaining some things, and and her spirit guide was like, you know what, like this is not her first rodeo. She knows what she's doing. And I was like, okay. So then it's like I changed like my dial to, you know, like the teacher hat to like more being a guide. And it's just it was really neat to see these sessions unfold, and it's like I stepped out of the role of a healer and into the role of a guide, and just that inner insight was so neat. So it's like I'm planting seeds for my clients to receive their own inner guidance, so I'm clearing out their vessel and I'm planting these seeds that they will get an aha moment, some insight. I'm just like turning the compass, I'm pointing them in that right direction. So it's like I'm not here to give you all the answers. You already have all the answers within you. I'm just waking that within yourself, and I just find that such a beautiful switch right now, and it's something that um that I'm really enjoying because uh I have put a pause on my Akashic readings. Um I'm not sure when I would open them again or if I will. Um, I went through quite uh, I don't even know how to explain it, like a death and rebirth, I guess you would say, when I got really sick. And um I just had to ask myself, like, is this filling my cup up? And at that time, like I love the information that came through. I love the transformation for my clients, but it took a lot of energy out of myself where I was losing sleep, um, and I just didn't feel like myself because I wasn't grounding in, I was going elsewhere to retrieve the information in the cosics. And we actually talked to Michael about this, and he yeah, he just had some really amazing insight um of how to receive information, and I've taken his guidance and I've used that in my Reiki sessions, so I just really love what he said. You we'll share all that in the interview later, but yeah, so for right now, my kosher readings are paused until I can maybe find a different way to channel and really focus and hone in on what he shared with me. Because yeah, as of right now, I can't I can't do something that depletes my life force and affects my day-to-day life. So, you know, it it really was a letting go, you know. I felt like I let down so many clients that were waiting for their readings and offering refunds, and I felt like I failed, and it was just a really good learning experience to, you know, of course, honor yourself first, right? That's always so important. Like I can't give a reading if I'm I'm depleted. So yeah, so that's where I'm at right now.

SPEAKER_04 4:33

So yeah, yeah, you know, it's that was the best takeaway. Well, one of one of what great many great takeaways hearing from Michael actually was about that, about calling the information down into you instead of overextending yourself and trying to reach up to get it. Yeah, I also have been like incorporating that practice and using that as well. It was such a great takeaway. And you know what you said about getting um putting your feet on the ground. So before we started this, I grabbed my grounding pyramid that has like the copper and stuff in it. And holy, I had no idea how ungrounded I was, and that's like I miss that too. Like I've been outside, but it's I haven't been able to write, like put my feet like fully on the ground and almost like take a beat, especially with all the transition that I'm going through right now, too. So I I'm here with you on that. That I'm really ready for spring to fully be here, and it finally feels like it is. But uh, I love the work that you're doing now, and it's great because I think a lot of us too, right? We reach out to other Reiki practitioners and we know they know, yeah. So it's great to hold the space and kind of highlight the stuff that you know we're too close to see. So someone else has to help us with that.

SPEAKER_06 5:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:52

So that's that's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 5:53

That's exactly right. And even um, the back of the heart came up, you know, like it's hard to Reiki the back of your own heart, you know. So it's like that's where you can book in with a Reiki practitioner. We can work on that the back, and yeah, I thought that was really neat as well. So there's always a time and place for self-reiki and for booking a session, and it's just tuning into your own body. What do you need at this time? So that's yeah. Guidance, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, all right, yeah, enough about me. What's what's going on?

SPEAKER_04 6:26

So I had two clients kind of sneak into my schedule because I didn't book it off fully, and I was kind of nervous, right? Because I was like, um, I'd been out of the game for about a month and a half, and just you know, taking time for me and the new baby and things like that. So I was kind of nervous to see how things were gonna go, but they actually went really, really well. And it was almost like that rest period made me come back stronger in a way. It was, it was just, you know, when you haven't had a workout for a couple days or a week and you're like, oh my God. But then you come back and you're like, whoa, this was really good. I almost feel stronger than I did before. It kind of felt like that. So that was really good. And then I was telling uh Christy right before, like it was like the week that I was going to have Callie. So I had uh a couple appointments booked. I had one actually with Michael. I booked one in with him, our podcast guest for today, because I really loved him and I wanted to experience a session with him. And then I had uh Milfassa, fashion massage, booked, uh, the guy that Christy and I see as well. And it was funny. So I had my first session with Michael and he was uh really sick. So we tried to connect and he said, you know what, I'm sorry. Like I just can't do this right now. I'm I and you could like I could hear him. He was really sick. So I said, Yeah, no problem. And then the next day, when I was supposed to go for my myofascia massage, he also texted me that morning and was like, Hey, I'm sorry, I have the flu. I can't help you. I can't work with you today. And I was like, Oh my gosh, like what is going on? I thought it was so interesting. And then when I sat with it, I got the message that I was too close to the end of my pregnancy, that nobody else should be mucking around, not mucking around, but like working in my energetic field right now. So I was I completely honored that and uh didn't have either one. And I just kind of worked on my own energy and just sat with myself. So I thought it was a really beautiful message that maybe sometimes we need to just kind of cocoon ourselves and let things be for the for the time being. So I thought that was really neat if anyone else has experienced anything like that.

SPEAKER_06 8:36

Yeah, I found that super fascinating too, how it was like nobody should be in your energetic field at this time of transition and inviting a new life into your world. And I also feel like that could even, you know, transition to um any time where you're making a big move, like say from a job or from a location, a move. It's like that's time to be with yourself and with your own energy and feel your own guidance. So I just love that you got that message because when one thing happens, it's like, oh, okay, but when two things happen, that's a sign that something deeper is is going on. So yeah, it's really neat.

SPEAKER_04 9:19

Okay, so let's get into the astrology for May. So we have a few things going on. We actually have a blue moon going on in May at the end. Uh, but first we have May 1st, we have the full moon in Scorpio. So a really good time um to release attachments, cords, or any kind of even control that we may be hanging on to and doing a lot of shadow work. So it's the death card in tarot. So a really big one for transformation. And it's a water sign as well, Scorpio is. So it might be time to kind of release some of those emotional things that can help us go into that rebirth because that's what the death card is, right? It's all about experiencing that rebirth, kind of like what Christy was actually talking about with her akashics and going through that. You know, you always come out greener, usually on the other side. I'm getting the image of somebody like a farmer who burns the crop, so like the good stuff can really come back even more alive. So sometimes I know it seems scary to kind of light stuff up in flames or do an abrupt change, especially when we feel like we put in so much hard work into something we've tried to create, and then to be like, oh, just gonna let it all explode. But sometimes that's actually for a bigger and better purpose, and we just can't see it yet. Weird chat, a little message there that I swear things are just coming back even fiery now that I'm rested. It's interesting. And then on May 16th, we have the new moon in Taurus. So yay, Christie season, Taurus, and uh Taurus is a really nice grounded energy, and Taurus is the Herephant sign in the uh major arcana for tarot. So, since this is a new moon, it would be a really good time to start like kind of planning out like finances, putting stuff into your home, especially with like this beautiful spring energy. You might even feel the need to redecorate, redecorate or rearrange the house so maybe it even feels a little bit more feng shui. But yeah, really going into like what really grounds you and makes you feel good as a self. And then we got a bonus full moon on May 31st in Sagittarius. So they call this a blue moon, right? Because it's so rare. So once in a blue moon. And uh again, Sagittarius is a fire sign. So we're getting a lot of the elements this month in May. It's gonna be kind of a fun energy, and um Sagittarius is the temperance card, so really alignment with your higher self. Um, really good one for healing as well and kind of recycling out energy. Um, so big realizations and truths could be coming through as well, and sudden shifts or leap forwards with the Sagittarius energy. So really good. Uh, and this is going to be a little bit more amplified, too, because it is the second full moon. So really harness that about releasing and letting that fire again with that fire analogy with that crop, letting things burn up that need to, and just it might be a really quick energy as well. So um enjoy the ride and uh just kind of go with the flow of of the May. Wow, there's a lot going on there.

SPEAKER_06 12:33

Yeah, there is that is interesting about the the blue moon. Whenever I hear blue moon, I always think of Greece. I think there's a song about blue boon, totally, and then the moon. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Oh yeah, used to love that movie so much. Um, but yeah, about the the fire and burning things down. You know, I I read a really interesting analogy that I really love. And um, you know, when you're making pottery and you put it in the kiln to be fired, you do that so it will become stronger. And it's like you need the fire to bring it to like because it's all mushy, and then you fire it, and then it turns to solid, like a solid cup. And I just really love that. That really stuck with me. So yeah, I love May. I love everything about this month. Of course, it's my birth month and lots going on, so yeah. All right, so um, our Reiki circle for May, we do have a date. Uh so mark your calendars. We're gonna try out a Saturday this time at 10 a.m. Um CST Saskatchewan time. And yeah, Google what time is it in Saskatchewan to get your your times right? Because when you Google CST, sometimes it doesn't, isn't always right. I don't know what happens here, but I had a couple um things with time zones and everything, so we can't stress that enough. But uh, but yeah, we really hope you can come by and join us. So the first half hour we like to sit in the circle and bring anything that comes forward, like questions, things that came up in a session, and people ask us questions, and we just have like a really good group vibe. And then the last half is a guided uh meditation Reiki journey, and we'll guide you through whatever comes up, and then I don't know, it's just something really cool about getting a group together, and yeah, they really fill my cup up. So we want to um continue offering those, and the link will be in our bio to sign up, and then also um Amanda and I are going to be changing the schedule of the podcast just for now. We release two episodes a month, but we're gonna um dial back to one episode a month um just for what's going on in our lives right now, so we can really, you know, put out good content and you know, fill our own cups up so we can have a good balance here.

SPEAKER_04 15:01

So yeah, and it might not be forever, but it's just for right now, that's what needs to happen because we really want to keep this going. And like Christy said, we want to make sure we have good quality content and we're not just putting something out to put something out because we need to. It is the time. So thank you for understanding that. And we still love it when people connect with us and or have any other questions they want to ask us. Just you know, connect with us on Instagram too. Of course. All right, let's get into our guests today. Yeah, okay. So let's get into our podcast guest today. So today we have an interview with Michael Kelman, he is the uh founder of Pure Light Well, it's his website. And Michael has been a is is a spiritual teacher and mentor, and he has been working with people for over um decades, two decades. He has been working with people, and you know what's really cool about him is that he it's kind of like a Joe Dispenza, right? He actually talks about him, but so he like really bridges like science with healing, and he does work in the akoshics. We do a really awesome talk about attachments, which I was super interested in, and he uses applied kinesiology as well, and he's just a fantastic man. I enjoy talking to him so much, he has so much wisdom and insight, and taught Christy and I quite a bit of techniques and things that we started using in our own practice, and he really helps people to like get in to help release old patterns and kind of reshift the subconscious. So, really, really interesting conversation today. I know you're gonna have a lot of takeaways from this, and we can't wait for you to listen. And we'll have all of his connections in our show notes. So if you want to book a session with him and reach out to him, uh, I know I'll be trying to reschedule too when things kind of calm down more for me. So um, yeah, enjoy.

SPEAKER_06 17:00

Yeah, I hope you enjoy. All right, so welcome, Michael, to the podcast. We're super excited to sit down with you and hear all about your spiritual journey and your offerings, and we feel like you have so much to share. So, where we always like to start is like, how did the journey start? Like, was there something that happened that sparked your curiosity? Like, how did this all go down?

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Well, first, thank you for having me. It's been a long time since I've been on a podcast, so I was a little surprised, but uh I'm delighted. Um yeah, my journey kicked off in my early 20s. I um had gone through a pretty uh violent upbringing. And so um, you know, through all of that trauma, uh I had you know repressed my system and it was shut down. And so I ended up connecting with somebody um where I worked, and we would always have these super deep conversations. And she said, you know, we have a meditation group if you'd like to come, you know, I'd love you to come. I'm just like, sure, okay, I would love that. So I went there for a couple of weeks, and it was primarily women, and uh, you know, but I really got um a deep sense of the divine feminine in that experience, and I was really moved by that. A lot of Native American traditions uh you know interwoven. And so after attending there for a few weeks, this person came back who I guess had been missing for a while, and everybody would buddy was excitedly, you know, uh welcoming her, and she just looked straight at me and like threw me. She said, We're meant to work together. I'm like okay. I didn't know what that meant at all at that time. So I said, sure, okay. So I ended up scheduling an appointment with her and she ended up taking me through a rebirthing process. We were doing deep circular breathing, and uh I don't know what other type of energy modality she used, but I had this massive emotional release. And so as I was making my way out of her healing space, the energy release was so big that my system was recalibrating, and so my depth perception was off. And I was like, Well, this is kind of trippy. And so I hopped in my car and I'm heading home, and all of a sudden the song Amazing Grace comes on, and all of a sudden, my it's like this intense interconnectedness of everything was being experienced. And the song was, you know, I once was blind, but now I see. So like the universe is showing me and giving me direct experience of that interconnectedness. And so for the first three days after that experience, I was having conscious out-of-body travel. I would just come up and out of my body and go wherever I wanted to go. I was highly telepathic for three days, and then everything kind of shut down. And so that was the catalyst that really launched me into this path. So I ended up telling my uncle, who's an electrical engineer, about my experiences. And he used to listen to this uh nighttime program. I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. But uh he was telling me about this guy who's uh was a remote viewer. He started a remote viewing uh program for uh the government. His name was Ingo Swan. And so I ended up looking this guy up, and uh, he had volumes and volumes of information on consciousness uh on his website. And I came across this one book, it's called Psychic Sexuality, and it's basically describing like that generative or creative force within us all. And they were talking about um this ancient Asian copper wall technology that they were using at uh I think it was Stanford Research Institute um or no, it was the Menninger uh Foundation, I think. And so basically, these uh Dr. Allison, uh Elise and Elmer Green were doing biofield experiments. Uh and so they were using this description of this technology out of the Mahatma letters by uh A.P. Sennet. And uh so it describes like this copper sheet that's highly polished in front of the spiritual uh aspirant, uh a magnet hanging above the crown, and then them sitting in a glass vessel to insulate them from the grounding effects of the earth. And so the master would uh take the aspirant and help to get this circular energy flow going. Uh and it would act as like this um catalyst to start energizing and vitalizing. All of the dormant abilities within our energy system. And so I said, huh, I got to build that. And so I ended up building a smaller model of it and just started experiencing some amazing effects from that. You know, I would be in deep meditation and go into this hypnagogic state between waking and sleeping, and I would come back to, and the atmosphere would look the same. And then I would go to speak, and balls of light would come out of my mouth. The environment would shift and change colors as I was meditating in there, just massive flows of uh violet energy flowing out from my point of awareness. And so I did that for about a month, meditating in there. I would just go to work, come home and meditate, read spiritual text, and that was it. And at the time I was acting, and my friends were like, Where have you gone? You know, and I really, you know, they really couldn't understand this kind of phenomenon. I didn't want them to put me in a white jacket and take me away, you know. Um, but what was interesting is once I got uh downtown, I went to go see them. They were watching live music somewhere, and one of my friends had a massive migraine. And so I said, Well, come here. You know, I gone to school for massage therapy. I'll just, you know, massage the back of your neck. So I had her put her head on my shoulder. And as soon as I touched my hand to the back of her neck, she like ripped away from me. She's like, Oh my god, what did you just do to me? I'm like, I don't know. Because I didn't feel anything, but my system was charged up at such a high potential that as soon as I touched her, that intelligent energy just went right where it needed to go. And she said it like filled up the entire inside of her head with light.

unknown 23:46

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 23:47

And so, and then I was sharing that with my uncle, and then he uh started talking about uh an ethnobotanist and uh his explorations in South America with Terence McKenna, which was his brother. Yeah, excuse me, and um, you know, about them partaking of this ancient elixir to have a near-death experience to merge with God again. And uh all I heard was merge with God again, you know, which I think was that deep inner quest to feel that pure, like universal love that's the foundation for everything. And so we ended up doing this medicine, and because of the time in the chamber, and then this medicine, it just blew me like wide open. I mean, I'm like having super conscious like experience, um, went all the way into what I the only thing I can liken it to is like from a quantum physics perspective, is the state of quantization, where everything's in like this digital wave, kind of like clouds, right? So you think of an analog wave and it's just the sine wave, but a digital wave is made up of many different bits, and so I was taken into this place beyond uh any dimension, into this like pre-creation space where you could see the movement of these digital waves where they could become anything, and so then you know, after that journey, because we didn't have a shaman, we were you know open and vulnerable. And so I had something download into my crown, and I was in uh the next day I went to South Beach and I didn't need to eat. I had so much energy flowing through my system. I was having like these multidimensional, like Aztec forms shifting into this dimension and popping out, and it was just super, super intense. And so my mom had met uh a Reiki practitioner before I left for Miami. And as soon as I got back, I'm like, I gotta talk to this guy, I need some help, because I had no resources in my immediate vicinity that could assist with that, um, with helping me to get grounded again. And so I contacted him and he was out of town until the next day. So he's trying to coach me over the phone. And um I ended up connecting with him, but he couldn't shut me down. It's like whatever was in my system was beyond where he was at and his ability at that at that time. And so prior to going back, because I went back and forth with him a few days at a time, you know, and he was just trying to find some way of helping me. He called it an intuitive, and she was working along with him. No dice. And I'm like, oh my god, like I opened this Pandora's box, you know. And so I ended up doing some deep pranayama because I would do a lot of uh deep pranayama just to vitalize my system prior to this experience. And then that thought came. So I was driving down the freeway, heading back to this guy, and I started doing deep circular breathing, and all of a sudden, whatever it was that was attached to my crown shot out of my third eye. So imagine like being in a submarine and in the torpedo turret, it shooting out and then leaving like this wake it from its velocity going through the water. So basically, that's what I saw as whatever this being was shot out of my third eye. Literally, I could see the matrix of light that we're in vibrate back and forth. And so I was like, wow. Um, I finally got there and they had this elder woman who just did some work on my crown and got me sealed up for the moment and got my system shut down. So it was a really traumatic awakening, but you know.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

So you were doing your own thing by meditating and and going into the the different realms, like you were connecting yourself higher, and then your crown just took on too much energy.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Well, is that right? Well, I think it's from doing the medicine, right? So the medicine contains DMT, dimethyltryptamine. And so basically, you know, I don't know if you are familiar with Rick Strassman and his work, but basically they describe the DMT, it's naturally occurring in our body. And at the moment of death, DMT spikes, and at conception, DMT spikes. So they call it the spirit molecule. So it allows the soul to enter into the body and then to be released. And so um that medicine is just like hyper-lit up the energy system in the brain. So, you know, that's how we perceive our realities through our nervous system. And there's a consciousness um researcher by the name of Itzak Bentov, mystic uh biomedical engineer, and he describes this process like think of your nervous system as like this aperture on a camera. And basically, that's what we're doing as we're evolving. That aperture is opening more and more and more and letting in more and more light and information. So, what this did is just kind of like blow that wide open. So I was able to see all of those dimensions that are around us all the time. We're just filtering it out, fill filtering those dimensions out because we couldn't function that wide open. So, you know, that was that experience. It just blew everything out. And then um, you know, finally after I got shut down, I ended up going up to Toronto to work with a woman who does multidimensional cellular healing. And that's using pendulum work, and she had studied with a bunch of different people, and she really helped to um I don't want to say clear and release some of the traumas from the experience and kind of bring my system back into balance more so. And she ended up handing me some books um called the I Am Teachings, and there are some books written in the 1930s by uh I'm trying to remember his name, Ballard is his last name. But basically, it's a series about becoming your Christ itself and how that process happens. And so when I got back to Michigan, I looked up, I'm like, I am teachings like anybody in the immediate area, uh, just so I could connect with somebody who's kind of on the same page. And I ended up connecting with somebody in Kalamazoo, which is about an hour and something away from me. And so I drive out to go meet with this person, and as soon as I get there, he goes, Come on, I'm taking you to my friend's house. I'm like, but I just got here. And so he ended up taking me to um his friend's house, who's an Egyptologist, and they had a scale model of Giza on their property, and so he took me in there and he said, Spend the night in here. I'm like, Okay. And you know, I spent the night in there, and literally I could see like this luminous energy at the peak of this pyramid. I'm like, what is that? You know, and in the morning when he came to get me to bring me out, I'm like, I didn't want to get out of there. I just felt so peaceful. And so on the way back, um he I said, Hey, what was that luminous energy in at the top of the pyramid? And he just looked at me and he said, Oh, those are tachyons.

SPEAKER_05 31:45

I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_01 31:46

So I get home and I look that up, and the very first thing I come across is a company called Advanced Tachyon Technologies, and they make energy healing tools. And I ended up studying with them. I just really that helped me to start integrating because everything that I experienced was kind of like based on quantum mechanics, quantum physics, that's that helped me to make the connection as far as consciousness and the structure of reality uh in consciousness's role in that process. So that is where I started studying all of these different modalities and kind of integrating different things. And like you're saying, like there's an evolution that's taking place, even though you start on this one path, other things start to open up. So, and you can't keep them confined sometimes, you know, because you're being shown a different picture and the different uh interconnected interconnectedness of everything.

SPEAKER_06 32:45

Yeah, and and can looking back at that journey now, can you see why it unfolded the way it did? Like, do you have any clarity on that? Because that is like the most intense story I've ever heard of of an awakening, yeah, the energy flowing into that crown.

SPEAKER_04 33:02

I was thinking, like, if you were even sensitive to electronics, um, everything.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

I mean, but it's it's kind of like that overrode everything else, right? Because it was something from a dimension beyond ours prior to our dimension that we're used used to functioning in. So that kind of like it took over. So um, and then that just took me into all different areas, and um I don't know if you saw on the website or on you know some of the videos I talk about entity attachment.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

And so I wanted to talk to you about that today because I've experienced that as a lot as a Reiki practitioner on other people too.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Yeah, I had an entity force itself into me around the age of eight, only at that time I didn't know what it was. Um, I was getting ready to go into the shower, and all of a sudden I just felt an immense pressure in my body. Imagine, like um, you know, like a new balloon when you go to blow it up, you put air in it initially, and it's like super tight, and then it ends up relaxing, right? That's the sensation that I had. Like, whatever this entity was, it forced itself into my field, like it felt super tight, and then it eventually released, but I had this sense of like terror, like fear, like I because I'm a little kid, I don't know what's going on. And so I think that obviously was a part of the journey because you know, when I had that opening after the first three days of the initial awakening, I was like, okay, if these are our potentials, what's shutting them down? And how do we open them back up again? And, you know, I know there's all sorts of Eastern philosophies and things that describe these processes, uh, but I didn't know that at the time when that happened. So that's, you know, was a part of the catalyst. And I really, along this journey, even though I after the initial awakening with the medicine, it took me like 10 years to integrate. You know, studying with advanced tachyon technologies really helped me because their modeling is top-down. How do things come into manifest reality? Right. Everything in manifestation is a slowing down. If you look at the chakra system, right, it's high frequency at the crown and then moves slower and slower and slower down into the root, right? So, but their vortextual energy, so they're pushing and pulling simultaneously, and it's that inward-outward movement that gives us the perception of physical sensation, physical reality. But everything's dissolving and re-emerging, dissolving and re-emerging, speeding up and slowing down always. And so that's what kind of gives us a sensation of time as well, and unfolding moment to moment to moment to moment.

SPEAKER_04 35:54

So, question for you, just to follow up with that. So I I my spouse did uh Campbell. And do you find when people do um spiritually enhancing things like that? Because that's what his goal was to help release and purge some um childhood traumas. But after when I did Reiki on him, like I had to really clean up his energetic field. And do you find that people are more susceptible to things like attachments or energies like that when they're in kind of a vulnerable state like that? Like for your experience, it almost sounds like you were vibing too high for anything to even attach to you at that point. But his felt different. It didn't feel as like buzzy out here, which something wouldn't be able to kind of cling to.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah. Yeah, I find that you know, it just depends. Like, you know, recreational drugs, you know, that leaves you open and susceptible to attachment, you know. But for sure. My girlfriend, she does mediumship work. And initially when we uh came together, she had things trying to get into her system, you know. All of a sudden you get these things projecting into your mental and emotional bodies, all of these negative thoughts, you know, and I'm like, wow, let's clear that up. And now I've taught her how to identify and clear things for herself. But, you know, it just depends. It depends on who you're working with to do the medicine work and what is your knowledge base that you are going into this experience with? That's a critical key, you know, for me. And, you know, now I just don't let anybody mess with my energy. I mean, you know, I'll I'll douse and see, like, you know, should I work with this person or not, or should I, you know, explore this or explore that or not? You know, so it just you have uh if you have tools, you can utilize them to navigate through all of that. But that's at least been my experience, is that you know, sometimes you are susceptible and open depending on the shaman. Like I had uh uh another friend in Michigan, and I kind of heard of the shaman running around in Detroit doing ceremonies before. I'm like, uh, she had a bad experience with him, but we had actually connected with some shamans out of the heartbed of that tradition in Paculpa in South America. They would come and make their rounds through the US. And so I ended up meeting him in Florida when I when I moved there. And he was authentic as they get, and you know, I felt really um safe and guarded around him, and his ceremonies were intense, but very beautiful. Um, and so she had attended there, and so she already had that awareness and that energy of that shaman. And so when she was sitting in ceremony with this shaman, she could see that there was something not quite right with this guy. And um one of my cousin's friends was going to a ceremony, and I'm like, ah, this sounds like this guy. And so she ended up going into the ceremony, and I warned her beforehand. I said, Be careful because you can open yourself up and you can get stuff attached to you during ceremony. And so um she ended up going into ceremony, and then she called me like days later. She goes, I think I have something attached to me. I'm like really aggressive with my client. She was a massage therapist. I'm like, that's not good. And so um I ended up doing a clearing for her. Sure enough, she had something attached to her. Somebody who had attended had been had something attached, and it just kind of opened up and came out and like hit everybody in the shaman. The shaman really couldn't hold the space properly and just went awry. So so, yes, that is a thing. The short answer, yes.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

And like, so when I have a client and I can see that there's a like um something attached to their aura, something like that. I always work with like well, Christy and I both when we're doing Reiki, we would like love to work with Archangel Michael and just calling in that really like high vibration. I also call in all of my angels and guides of the highest vibration as well before I start any session. But specifically, I'm calling him in when I see something like that, and then I am like removing it and all the things. Can you like kind of explain how you would remove something like that from somebody's field?

SPEAKER_01 40:36

Yeah. So I mean, the way that I learned was using a pendulum. Then that way you can identify how many entities are there because you know they're energetic in nature. You can have, I at one time had 800 entities attached to me.

unknown 40:52

What?

SPEAKER_01 40:53

Oh, because they're energetic, they're non-physical, they don't take up space, right? So once your system gets compromised, if you don't shut down those portals or those doorways, things can just keep coming and accumulating. And um so I was guided to um use a pendulum to identify what's there and work with my superconscious mind to clear and remove whatever is there, and also check for dark doorways or portals in the system because you can clear something away, and if that as long as that portal's open, entities can still come in. So that's a key is to identify if there are any dark portals or doorways and then clear, find out how many, because you may just clear one entity, how many are there, you know.

SPEAKER_06 41:44

So and when you're saying like portals, are you is that like in the aura or is that in the space that they're in?

SPEAKER_01 41:52

It can be either.

SPEAKER_06 41:53

Either okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

So it I when I'm dowsing, I'm asking about the field in the perceived physical body, if there are any dark portals or doorways. And then I'll check the living space because there may be portals in the living space depending on where that home is at, what's transpired in that home. So those are the things that I look for when I'm I, you know, looking for any entities or attachments, and then looking in the space, the surrounding, and seeing what's there and just making sure everything's clear.

unknown 42:27

Clear.

SPEAKER_01 42:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 42:28

And then are you doing this work in the Kashics?

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Uh well, I do Akashic Soul Record Clearing as well. So um I use a system called spiritual response therapy. I don't know if you're familiar with it. So it's not quite like QHT where you're taking somebody and regressing them and taking them into a past or other life. Um, this system has 32 charts, and you just connect with your higher self, connect with the person, and then it just takes you wherever you need to uh clear whatever bodies, because in this system, it's a stepping down out of that infinite beingness into this physical form. So in this system, there's many subconscious and conscious minds down into the perceived physical body, and so in this system, we check that, and then there is a specific area of the system that looks at past or other lifetimes to identify and clear up traumas that are impacting this lifetime.

SPEAKER_05 43:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

So that's been um really, really helpful uh as well, you know, because that as far as their systems concern, like when you take on the body, the soul downloads that accumulated data and information into the cell structure. And then you know, certain environmental cues can trigger and awaken those dormant patterns and you know send you into a uh pretty disharmonious space sometimes.

SPEAKER_06 43:58

Yeah, and you can find yourself repeating same patterns from past lives and and then like being scared of something you have no reason to be scared of and yeah it's it's so wild what the koships can uncover it's it's super fascinating um but what sorry I just want to go back to the entities I just wanted to ask like how do you close the doors and get rid of them do you just or if you don't mind sharing yeah so I mean basically it's you know intention's everything in the universe right and so the way I work I'm using a pendulum and um you know my intention is to work with my higher self or superconscious and so it knows how to do whatever needs to be done so and it knows everything.

SPEAKER_01 44:47

So I just ask you know how many are there any dark portals or doorways? Yes okay how many one to 10 10 to 20 you know and kind of go up in in that respect and then just ask to have them cleared closed and sealed. And that intelligence clears glows and seals those doorways and then you use that uh higher power to identify whatever is attached or you know is it attached to the aura or is it actually in possession of the person which you know I just did a uh a clearing for somebody recently like they were in possessed by this spirit and the shift in the change was like so dramatic and so immediate after the clearing like the my girlfriend's friend who I did the clearing for was just like shocked she's like oh my god it was like night and day difference because you know it's interfaced with your nervous system and you know to me it's like you know people who you know uh have suicidal ideation or commit suicide many times like they've got something attached to them you've got something attaching to you and driving these destructive behaviors so it just as a society we're ignorant of that and don't understand that uh oh this person's hearing you know multiple voices oh okay well maybe they have something attached to them and their mental and emotional bodies are being you know projected into by these entities so I think that you know that element in and of itself could really help tremendously uh you know the uh everyday world if you will you know if people just knew about this unseen dimension and how we're impacted by it.

unknown 46:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:36

So yeah you know I've had clients where I've removed things. So like one client for example she always had always has like um you know kind of discomfort in her hands and her hands get sore but this time it was like so bad. And I I didn't actually know that before I was doing the session but I said like when I tuned into what was going on in her field like my hands naturally wanted to curl like this. And I'm like into almost like I guess in the hands and I was like what is like what is going on right like right away I'm like okay well this isn't my energy and this isn't my client so I'm like what is this and then I found out that it was like a spirit attached that almost like had like disabilities like that and didn't have function of their hands. And then after I when I removed it and moved it on like out of the field and all that she was like she told me after she's like oh my gosh I cannot already believe the difference in my body like my physical body feels lighter. I'm not taking on those sensations of the this the spirit attaching on it was just like it's it's wild like I would I don't know if I would be so open to believing this if I haven't had so many experiences like that. So I think some people have a hard time wanting to think that that can happen. Maybe it's like a fear thing that they don't want to accept something like that could be a thing.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

I'm sure it's uh you know pretty intimidating to have something that you can't see that could negatively impact you. You kind of feel vulnerable in that in that sense I've had people are like oh I don't even want to talk about it. But it's interesting are you familiar with Bruce Lipton at all biology belief? Okay. Yeah so in his modeling um you know he joined up with uh Rob Williams's psych and so they kind of came together but you could really understand like you know in his model the cell on the surfaces of the cell there are receptors and so they not only take in chemistry but they are also affected by electromagnetic fields. And so those fields interact with that receptor and then on the inside of the cell there's an effector and it sends that energy and information into the nucleus of the cell and drives the cell behavior. So with that model in and of itself it explains why the physical body uh goes through what it goes through at times if there's a spirit possession. I don't know if you saw the one Instagram video I was talking about my friend.

SPEAKER_04 49:06

She had gone on a um uh an anniversary vacation with her husband and she got something attached to her and her leg was hurting for like weeks and I ended up clearing her and it the pain went away immediately and the negative energy because she had like this negative attitude left her you know so it's like uh you know I think a Lord of the rings you know like the wizard like casting out the spirit from the person you know and just how much the physiology changes you know from clearing out that uh that entity from your energy system and from your cell structure I I love that you said that sorry christy I I literally saw that on one of the clearings that I did was literally candle with his with his staff and like it down and I saw all these things just like blast away and my friend was like my daughter finally slept and didn't have anything in her room like I think I literally saw that exact image too funny yes yeah I mean you know I had a client whose daughter couldn't sleep and she would go into these night terrors you know and I'm like okay let me come over you know I think I know what it is and so I went over there I ended up identifying it and you know because I'm in that space like whatever it was like came up my arm that I was dowsing with I'm like oh yeah okay there's something here and so we identify what was there cleared it and she had no more problems so you know again I go back to the fact that many times all of these ailments and things that are happening with us are being influenced from the unseen that we're moving through.

SPEAKER_06 50:56

So yeah and I I love that way you explain the cell that makes so much sense to me I've never had anyone explain that before yeah I did some belief change work with a woman in Australia and um you know we were Zoom you know using Zoom as a as a platform to communicate with one another that she had something going on physiologically and her body was shutting down.

SPEAKER_01 51:24

And so you know I identified uh some reprogramming statements that would be beneficial for her connecting with higher self and using a pendulum and we reprogrammed for it and in the middle of the process she's like oh my God I feel like I'm on fire you know and I'm like huh that's good. I mean you know heat is like the resistance to the flow of energy. So that means something's shifting and something's moving. And so two days later she contacted me and she said like these symptoms had just gone. But it's like if you shift that energy and information out of the system then it's not circulating in you know through that cell structure like I just explained impacting the physiology anymore.

SPEAKER_05 52:04

Right.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

So you know that healing happens because of that free flow of energy and information and intelligence can flow through the body and do what it needs to do to maintain balance. But as long as there's you know even dysfunctional programming in the subconscious mind you know if you you know have some beliefs that are more fear centric in you know your conscious mind wants to do something but your subconscious mind is productive in nature it's like no so you know based on that programming at the subconscious level you get caught in this what one of my teachers calls a desire resist pattern. So your conscious mind wants to do something but your subconscious mind is much more powerful and it resists based on its current programming. And so that can create a noise in the system and drain the system. So identifying you know certain belief structures that are in the subconscious mind also causing that kind of discord in the flow of energy and information too is beneficial.

SPEAKER_06 53:05

So yeah that's fascinating because I I was just thinking um like this morning I've been doing like a brain dump every morning I write just three pages of random thoughts and it's helped so much with my mental clutter and even this morning I was like asking myself like there's all these things I want to do but I can't get up and do them. I can't put them into action so it's like this push and pull and it's so exhausting in my mind. It's like why can't I get going? And I've tried to like get to the root cause like is this from childhood? Like what is going on?

SPEAKER_01 53:38

So yeah and it can be inherited too you know I mean if you look back I listened to your one of your uh episodes with emotion code on it too oh yeah I I've integrated uh the emotion code in with some of the work that I do too but it could be something inherited too it doesn't need to be from this timeline it can be something that you carried in through that information in your mother or your father's DNA.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

Yeah yeah and I come from a long line of procrastinators that's but procrastination is a protective mechanism right yeah that's right it's it's interesting you know if you really get down to it I mean we have like these two functions we're either seeking reward uh or getting an unmet need met or we're avoiding threat be it psychological or physical so you know that's how we move and so you can start to look at okay well what am I afraid of what am I what's causing me to to put on the brakes before I take action right so what's the benefit or the payoff of not moving forward that's that's one of the keys too I like that I have to sit down with that one I'm writing that down I see that yes that's funny thank you okay I have a I have two questions uh the first one is again I'm sorry I can't let this attachment thing go because I find it so interesting and I think are you attached to it exactly okay so my I'm just gonna put my dad on blast and he listens to all of our episodes bless him he's so supportive and I'm I'm I'm selfishly asking this so my dad is a very open person he's uh you know he does his own spiritual thing every day he's really good at meditating and and he's very connected in but he is one person that gets a lot of attachments like he gets a lot of things that stick to him it seems like it is insane and like I have to check him lots I have to rank him lots and there will be little tells when he like he'll know he's so aware it's like they'll bother him when he sleeps and I'm like dad like you have to set boundaries and then he'll get like these little like tingling almost like energy itchy spots just random like annoyance places and like nothing ever is like bad or hurtful he's not he's never to the point where he's you know like feeling suicidal or anything but it's like an annoyance or he'll see a spirit that needs to get like moved all over. So it's just like is there something that he could be doing and I tell him to put up protection I tell him to wear a hat I tell him you know he's going to a vulnerable place and he does he does his daily practice but it still seems like he's like this moth to the flame thing and like is there something else that he should be doing what's going on with him well what's interesting is like in SRT you can actually use spirits as like a self-punishment program to cause you you know discord and and punish yourself at an unconscious level.

SPEAKER_01 56:39

So you know I've had that where I've uh done you know past or other life clearings for people where you know they've done some not so good things in a past life or another life in another dimension. And so they're using uh discarnates to uh help facilitate a self-punishment program. So it's interesting.

SPEAKER_04 57:03

So okay and you know what I have my QHT and I've done sessions on him but maybe we should do another and really see what's up there.

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Try that and see like you know if you can take him back into a do you use muscle testing or kinese or kinesiology or dowsing at all I thought I heard no okay so I mean you can use muscle testing on him to see or muscle test yourself to see just have the intention to connect with your higher self or superconscious mind and ask does you know my father have a self-punishment program running that's causing the spirit attachment oh I shouldn't say that I don't do muscle testing.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

I guess I do right Christy like we both kind of do like I can use my body as a pendulum and it'll move and tell me a yes or no and things like that. Or you use like the sway yeah actually it's like this it'll go yes or no. Okay. And it's like a dance or else it's like even like this like my body will move one way. Yeah yeah it's quite interesting. I can just feel the energy pulling me.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

Yeah and you can use like the ring finger technique too that's real simple and easy and quick right so for me like when I'm moving through my sessions it's like I want to optimize the time that I'm spending with somebody and you know so I try to find the quickest routes to getting the information as quickly as possible. So um that's what I use and I would just you know ask does my father have a self-punishment program with entities I'm going to use the ring finger technique for people yeah so for me I like to use my weak my weakest finger pressed up against my thumb so I use the pinky finger against the thumb and whenever I like when I taught my girlfriend I'm like okay put your finger together and put your index finger of your opposite hand through and basically it's like you're setting up a code of communication with your higher self. It's similar with a pendulum it's a little bit more uh vocabulary is larger with a pendulum but this is perfect so you just uh put your index finger through your ring finger and you go this is my yes this is my yes this is my yes so don't let it break because you're training your nervous system right this is my yes this is my yes this is my yes this is my no this is my no this is my no okay so the no is the breaking the fingers apart the no is the breaking right and you know there are different ways to use it to detect stress and stuff in the body but generally uh yes is positive or true uh no is negative or false right so what I like to do after that um like I was trained in dowsing is do what's called a positive start so then you just start asking questions that you already know the answers to right I have shoes on no you know I have an elephant on my head no you know I have uh brunette hair yes you know so you do that and then you start getting comfortable like okay this is how my body's responding and I already know the answer to this and that just establishes a positive connection with this process in your brain yes I love this I'm sure everyone is doing this at home that's a great I'm gonna teach my dad this too because he'll ask me can you check well he can check for himself now by doing the beauty of that is like literally anything you can ask a question about in the universe you can get a yes or a no answer for and the more detailed the more defined your question is the higher your rate of accuracy and you know making sure you're hydrated too is always a good thing. But you know my girlfriend used to hate going to the store because she's just so overwhelmed by all of the choices and what do I get and I taught her how to muscle test I'm like okay with my goal of is it in the highest and greatest good that I get this or yes or no yes or no and just boom boom boom boom now we're in and out she's like oh my God it's like so simplified things so much that you know because it can be stressful sometimes moving and navigating this world you know working in this way for me is like you know I know we all have intuition but it's like um kind of like um I don't know just a way to check things because sometimes you may be uh overwhelmed in in a certain situation or like it can kind of scatter your your connection this just helps is a way of help helping you to focus and come into this present moment of now and in doing that like you're entering into that eternal where all of that information is present now and it just gives you the ability to navigate like okay my car broke down you know with my goal of getting my car fixed for a reasonable rate with quality work is it the highest and greatest good that I work with this mechanic yes or no because you don't know right things on the surface you know again you're a little bit different than than than the everyday person because you're sensitive and you work with energies so I'm sure you can feel like uh the I don't like the vibe from the sky or you know but it's just a a really wonderful way to work and move through things at times I've found yeah and it's with you you don't have to carry your pendulum like I could have used this the other day I spent like an eight dollars on this new coffee creamer and it was crap and I knew I shouldn't have bought that's that's my point see now you can use this and know like if it's crap or not like I don't want to buy that yes I just is this coffee cream you're gonna agree with my digestion are there any are there any detrimental chemicals in this gun yeah a lot of that creamer is full of crap yeah I should have known better but yeah things like that I just I really love the simplicity of that because yeah I love working with my pendulum I use it quite a bit and my dad actually made um wood pendulums for me on his wood lathe and I still have to um try them out what what do you use for material for your pendulum I use an Egyptian Egyptian style pendulum it's called an Osiris oh pendulum and it's used for doing distant work although once you you know tap into understanding there is no distance into the understanding but I like this just because the string goes directly into the center of the pendulum so the movement of this is super fluid there's no wonkiness in it at all and it just you know again like I work fairly quickly as I move through the charts in session so you know it just feels good works good and really helps me to move through things fairly quickly.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:02

So and I just wanted to just my other follow-up one when you're removing attachments and when you're doing any kind of energy um energy work like I always tell people it's really important to go in um I guess in your power like don't come at anything from a fear base kind of like weakens you or like come in confident and like you know like hand off with this exactly like what what would you tell people who are kind of like oh I don't know if I want to touch things like that or I don't know if I feel comfortable with stuff like that. Like do you have any advice for other practitioners starting to get into that?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

Well I think you know it's like anything you know if you're gonna become a master of something you're gonna have to go through some challenges. Like when I first discovered I had something attached to me I ended up calling a woman in Oregon to clear it. And when I contacted her I didn't know this woman from Adam like you know I just saw I knew that I needed help. I knew this was outside of my wheelhouse and so I contacted her she called me and she's like oh I don't think anything's there I'm like no I'm pretty sure something's there and so she started uh going in and working and she's like oh yeah they're hiding in your organs and so as she was doing the release I could feel like these little wisps of energy coming out of my body and I felt lighter and more grounded um but it wasn't what I was expecting and so later on that night at like three o'clock in the morning like all of a sudden I like sprung out of bed I was like super anxious I'm like oh my God did this woman's payment nut go through and she's sending these things back to me like what's going on but I sat with it I'm like nope that's not it so I called another friend um and she ended up being able to take care of these entities and so at that point I'm like okay I have to learn how to do this for myself and so I ended up going to this guy that I had met, and he had had you know things listed on his website, the people who he'd studied with. And so I ended up uh reading some a couple of different books, and I ended up learning how to do it for myself. But it was super challenging for like, I don't know, maybe a month or two, where I was getting challenged left and right. Um, you know, I would clear myself and then I would feel like this glow around my crown. I'm like, oh, that feels cool, but that doesn't feel right. And so I would go to clear it and I couldn't clear it. And I was like, well, what's going on? And all of a sudden I got this thought from my higher self to clear my pendulum. They were using my pendulum to attach to my energy system and affect my energy system. So as soon as I cleared it, I felt that energy release off my crown and go. And another instance, I was um sleeping and in like in the middle of the night. I don't know if you're familiar with uh the three stooges, Larry, Curly, and Mo. Okay. Well, this entity like ran and put its head down and rammed me in my abdomen in the dream state. And when I woke up, I'm like, oh, I don't feel like myself. And whatever had happened, this entity had lodged itself in my system. And I couldn't clear it for also almost a month. I even called spiritual response therapy, which is the one system I study, and they have discarnates and stuff in there too. Um, but no dice. The lady was like, I don't know what to do. Like it, so I'm like, okay. Um, but then after about three weeks, it was like I this thing lingered for like three weeks, and then all of a sudden, uh, my higher self gave me this image of doing a soul retrieval for myself. And so what I did is I asked to go into the totality of all that is and bring my soul fragments back, but that they be so energized that as you bring them back into my body-mind complex on all levels and layers, into my physiology, that it forces whatever this is out. And that's exactly what happened. So it's like I had challenges along the way, and eventually they're like, like, why bother with this guy? We can't do anything to him anyway, because he can just clear us out of here. So, I mean, you'll have some challenges in the beginning. I just had a client that I taught her how to uh use a pendulum to identify things and clear things, keep her own system clear because she's empathic and intuitive. And so, and she had the same challenges for you know a couple weeks until it's like eh, okay, we'll leave her alone now. So, you know, you'll go through those storms, but you'll be learning and you'll you'll master things like the things that I was shown. I've not read in any material at all, you know. And so now I've gained knowledge that I can share with other people. And if they're having a challenge, they can say, Oh, well, let me try this. Maybe that will work. And then, you know, cumulatively, that's how we keep learning and growing, and our knowledge base keeps growing. So don't be scared. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:22

Yeah. And you know, it's like when you walk through something yourself, like that's the best person to help walk someone else through what you went through. I always find that, like, yeah, we can read stuff in books and teach or and learn, but until we experience ourselves and become the master. I really love that. Because yeah, and I went through quite uh quite the ringer of um being scared of the dark and like entities and everything like that. And I've I've grown stronger and more brave. But yeah, for a while there it was uh it was pretty touch and go there.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

Yeah, I'm sure. And especially, I mean, when you're receiving attunements too, right? You're receiving the symbols and that's purging the system. So things can be chaotic and squirrely, you know, as that process takes place. Then you free up your system and then you reintegrate again, and then you know, then it's the next attunement or or whatever the process is going to be. But there's always that uh reconfiguration or restructuring phase that we go through. Yeah.

unknown 1:10:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:26

That's a good way to put it. Um, I wanted to ask you about you shared that you're creating this healing system with the pendulum dowsing and the muzzle muscle testing. Um, so that's has to do like with the clearing of entities and attachments, but what else um can you share about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:47

So basically, you know, my focus, and I've been using AI to assist with the accumulation of patterns, right? AI's learning from human beings, and so it has this access to this voluminous source of information. And so I've been setting up like a framework and then asking, okay, what are the fundamental um limiting beliefs and cognitive distortions within mankind, within their consciousness? And so, you know, I'm getting not only um these different patterns, so it's like cross-triangulating across many different um uh many different disciplines. There's attachment theory, um, maladaptive schema theory. So it's these patterns, again, that we're learning and absorbing as we're children, and we're setting our foundation that our foundational framework to navigate reality from birth to the age of seven. And everything is at the subconscious level and it's driving our behaviors, it's driving our thinking, our feeling, and taking in a certain direction. And the way our nervous system is set up, we have what's called a reticular activating system at the base of the brain, and that acts as an informational filter and like you know, this guardian at the gate. And so it helps us to selectively focus on information that will reinforce our beliefs. Um, and so if you have limiting beliefs in your subconscious mind, that's all your nervous system is going to seek out information to support that and reinforce that. So, you know, those formative stages like attachment theory, uh, it starts there, then maladaptive schemas and then kind of layers on over and over and over. There's like, I think there's like 108 different subconscious patterns uh in one part of the system. Um, so basically it's looking for limiting beliefs, and then also like the hidden benefit or the payoff of not healing the pattern, right? So we go back to like we're motivated by reward or um, you know, avoiding threat, right? So at a subconscious level, we're avoiding a threat of some sort by um having a certain behavior pattern, and that can really be causing us problems in life. So by identifying that and transforming that uh at the subconscious level within the physiology and in the energy field level, those things shift. And then all of a sudden, your system starts looking for information that supports that new life-positive programming that you've put into the system at that point. So that's kind of the focus of the system. So what's the, you know, what is the core, the main pattern, and then uh on the initial part, there's like sub uh subdomains, and it can be six of those, and it's it's been surprisingly accurate. Um, and then seeing the hidden benefit or the payoff of not healing it, you know, and just the unconscious behavioral patterns that come with that particular pattern or program. So it's something that's relatively new. I did a little session with Shalen and she was like, oh my God. Like, oh, that's it. I'm like, yeah, exactly. My whole point is, you know, I don't feel that healing needs to take this enormously long period of time. I think we just need to be able to identify exactly what's the cause of the problem. So my focus has been on, okay, how do we get to the root cause like that? You know? And so that's what this dowsing system I'm putting together is helping with. It's like, okay, what's the problem here? And so um that's there's a core part of the system, and there's the financial uh component of the system, like, okay, why are these financial blocks here? Um and so you've got I think like 96 subconscious patterns or blocks that can be present. And then I'm working on something else right now, which is a part of the system, which is really focused on social engineering. How have we been programmed in society to function, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:12

And, you know, there's a benefit or a payoff for whoever's driving the narrative in society. And so your program, like I came from uh, you know, Detroit, which is an automotive capital, right? It's where automobiles like emerged from. So the schooling and all the education there was geared towards like going to work in the factory. So I'm like, hmm, you know, I didn't plan that, but like the education was tailored towards that. So that's programming, right? So what kinds of programs have we absorbed from our media that they're shaping our lenses of perception about life and who we are, and you know, indoctrinating us with some sense of lack. So that drives consumerism. Like, what is there from that social engineering perspective that's impacting our behavior? So a couple different facets, you know, of our experience here in 3D.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:11

That's really fascinating, and that makes so much sense with the programming because I when I would go and identify subconscious or um limiting beliefs in the cosics, it would be it could be from your family system, the way you were brought up, your mom and dad, like you have to go to college and get a degree, and it's like no one to want to, and then it could be your community, and then it just keeps going out and out and out, and then with the media, that's like a whole other layer. Cause yeah, when you're on Instagram, the algorithms are crazy. Like I liked one thing because I wanted to show it to my husband, and then all of a sudden, my it was just flooded with all this stuff of that I I liked one post. I was like, what is going on here?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:57

Yeah, there's a a man by the name of B.F. Skinner, and he worked with what's called operant conditioning. And so he created what's called a Skinner box. And so basically, you know, we base our decisions on what we do in life on the input and the information that we get. That information, as we take it in, we actually start creating a neural net in the brain that starts storing this information and creating lenses of perception that we see things through, right? As these new neural connections are happening, we're not seeing with our eyes, we're seeing with our brain, right? Our eyes are just capturing information, our five senses are just capturing information, but it's our brain that's putting together what we're experiencing as reality. So if I can alter that information, I can alter your lenses of perception of how you see yourself, others, and the world, right? So that's basically what his experiments were is the introduction of certain information into this space and its uh ability to affect the behavior of the beings in that space. And I forget the the name of this computer engineer's um I forget his name, but he was talking about we're living in this kind of skinner box right now through our social media platforms. All of the information and input, we're like in this platform, in this box. And especially once you start getting in line with certain algorithms, then it becomes like an echo chamber.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:35

And it starts impacting you. It can impact your uh sense of hope. You know, if you're caught in this algorithm of just it's this dystopian story, one after another, and oh my god, the ship's going down, and like all of a sudden that becomes your world because that's the input that you're putting into your system. Even though these things may be real and relevant and important to know about, it's also understanding the power of our consciousness to affect our reality. And then to me, really, it's about us stepping back into that power and understanding that we are shaping our experience with our consciousness. So, are you gonna take the wheel or are you gonna take your hands off the wheel and you know let somebody else steer it?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:25

Yeah, and you know, that first like having that awareness of it too is is really key because then you can get conscious about those unconscious things that are just naturally happening. And you're you're right that people don't want to take months to be on a healing journey journey. Like you said, they want their healing done like now. And I and I'm kind of one of them, like I don't want to and it almost feels like too redundant for me to feel like I'm always trying to work on something. It feels like, well, am I even getting anywhere? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

Yeah, so yeah. That was one of the things that kind of was a catalyst for this creation of the system. Um, you know, I studied Psyche K and it's very cool, you know. But I would get clients that would come in, and it's like, I don't want you to be in this revolving door, you know. That's not the goal. The goal is to help liberate you and free you from whatever patterns there so you can go and live your life, right? But I would get in session with uh people sometimes and we would just skirt around things and we would never really get to the core issue, you know. And again, you go back to that benefit or that payoff to not healing something. The conscious mind wants to heal something, but whatever subconscious programming is there is protective in nature and it's you know, it's dodging the bullet, so to speak. So you can't really get straight to the the point of what it is. And so I find that, you know, as the system comes together, it is you're just able to go straight to the pattern. What is the benefit of not healing it? So the person becomes consciously aware of why they're unable to heal it, right? Because it's a protection mechanism at a deeper level. And you know, awareness is the key. It's about making the unconscious conscious so you can transform it. Because without awareness, there's no recognition. Without recognition, there's no change. So just even becoming aware of the pattern uh can be transformative in and of itself. Aside from, okay, is it this timeline? Is it inherited? Um, and then clearing the energies and then reprogramming the subconscious, and then you can take that programming and you know, through kinesiology, see, okay, has it been taken into the subconscious? Yes, no, okay, we got to go back in again and you know reinforce that. And then once you go through the process, you know how to program your subconscious mind, and then you can do reinforcements until you, you know, really lock that in. So it's it's been an interesting uh journey to to see this emerge and to put it into use and to see the positive feedback from it, you know. So looking forward to to completing it soon. I just I have to find somebody to um make the charts. I've uh used uh a webs uh chart generation website, it's called subtle s ubtil.net, and you can go on and make your own dowsing charts, but you can't use them commercially. So I want to get this out into the world um so people can utilize it and you know, transform themselves because everybody has that power within them.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:50

Yes, totally. That that's incredible because I I think of you know all the Reiki sessions and you know, helping somebody with self-love over their heart chakra, and you know, you fill their heart up, you clear things out, and then they walk out of there, and then their subconscious mind is just like, no, you're not worthy. And then that pro program keeps playing, you're gonna be back here in a month, or we doing the same thing, and we're gonna be playing charades with your spirit guides trying to figure out what the heck is going on. And it's like if we can get right to that root cause and get rid of that at that right moment, or just yeah, transform it.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:28

Look at it as like, okay, there's nothing wrong with us, just the programming. That's yes, yeah, and so just transforming that, and then that allows the system to remain in a state of harmony because basically that's what you're doing, right? You are connecting with them, vitalizing their system, which is chaotic and out of harmony and bringing it into harmony, right? But what's the root cause that's sending the system into disharmony to begin with?

SPEAKER_06 1:23:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:58

Right. So that's that's the key, is like finding that, getting straight to the root cause of what it is and transforming that. But then after that, the person has to really become aware of their consciousness. And I'm I'm sure you're familiar with Joe Dispenza. Okay. So, you know, he talks about that thought and emotion feedback loop, right? Where I have this thought all this, and that triggers uh a process in my body that creates emotional chemistry that matches that thought, which makes me think more of that thought, and I get caught in this loop, right? So, and most of that is coming from the subconscious level. So if you can shift and change that, many times you'll feel very quiet inside because you don't have that push-pull energy going on in your system. And it gives you the ability to be conscious of your thoughts and your feelings and do like this thought pattern interrupt, right? Because we have an associative memory uh loop in our brain that when it gets triggered, it just runs this program, right? But if we arrest that in the moment, you know, Joe says neurons that fire together wire together, so they strengthen. But if you interrupt that loop when it gets activated, you start to weaken that connection and then it falls away. So it's becoming aware of this process, how our nervous system is working, how we're processing information, our processing our reality, and that we can impact ourselves on a very deep level, but we just have to know what's there to shift it and change it. And be it's this ever expanding uh state of awareness, a growing state of awareness of these processes. And once you understand them, then you can take the wheel fully and start driving it.

unknown 1:25:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:54

I mean, that's kind of like where I got started was with Reiki, you know? And even though I didn't get into the master levels, I mean that it helped initially very much so, but you know, like it was expressed here tonight, like, okay, so I bring your system back into harmony and energize everything, and then eventually things unfold and take the system out of harmony again.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:23

Yeah. Um Chrissy, did you have any more questions you wanted to ask? This was such a great combo.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:31

Yes, so good. Um, I I do I do have one selfish question. Do you have time for this? Okay. So you work in the Koshuk Records. So um when I work in the Kashuk Records, I get exhausted. And my teachers always told me the more you're in there, the easier it's gonna get. And I feel like it just like depletes my mind, body, soul. Like, you know, when you study really hard and your mind is so tired and your body, but it's like that times 10. And it's like, is it because I'm like trying to leave my body to go to the akoshics, or am I trying too hard to get information? Because sometimes um I'm just like really forcing trying to get that past life, like just really pulling it out, and it's just exhausting.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:25

So it's like is this for yourself or for uh clients?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:29

Uh clients.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:31

Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I'm not quite familiar. I mean, I've heard of QHHT, I'm familiar with Dolores, uh, but don't really understand the mechanics. I mean, you know, um I ended up doing this session in Florida with this woman who did a big group, um, and you know, started going down this corridor, and you know, but there was something going on in the space that kept distracting me, so I could never really get into the into that state and go back to a past life. Um So I'm not sure of like what it is, you know, you induce this hypnotic state with the person, regress them, go back. Like, how are you using your energy system in that process?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:12

So I'm doing like there, it's not live and I'm just dousing for things.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:17

So I get all my answers and then I go and back go back and try and get the story. So I try to see it like a movie because I'm clairvoyant, but it's just like so exhausting.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:30

Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm not sure. I mean, for me, when I'm working, I'm just letting my higher self do the work, you know? And I think if you can do that and set it up with your higher self just to download that information, so you don't have to push yourself out and into things, right? I think that's where that depletion of energy is coming from. For me, it's like this super simple process. You know, people ask me, Oh, do you get tired? No, I don't get tired because I'm not doing the work. I mean, I'm doing the work, but I'm not doing it. The uh superconscious mind's doing all the heavy lifting, you know. Um so I would set something up like that with like your superconscious, like you know, so you don't get depleted. And just try that out. Like are you like remote viewing or projecting your consciousness into these spaces, these Akashic records, or how are you you know what I mean? Like, how are you using the energy in that way, or are you just passive intending and letting the information come?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:33

Oh, that's a really good question. I almost feel like it's like a remote view. It's like I detach myself and go somewhere, and then it's like sometimes I feel like not all parts of me come back.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:50

Oh, so do you know how to do a soul retrieval?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:54

Yeah, well, I've just like well, I just called pieces of myself back home, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:00

Yeah. So I don't try exploring working in that way where you don't project yourself, try to project yourself into these records, but just have that flow of information come from your higher self just to save your energy. Yeah, you know, just make it easier for you to work in that way.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:19

I really love that. That makes so much sense. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:22

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:23

Yeah, higher self can do all the work, they don't have this human body.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:27

Exactly. Don't burn yourself out.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:30

Yeah, it's exactly what happened. It was it was intense, and I actually got sick. Like I got a cold, and like my body is like, you need to rest, and it was a whole thing, but yeah, that that makes a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:42

Relocating your energy out of your body, detaching from your body, like that vital force is going out, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:49

Yeah, yes, and that's not good.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:54

And you know, that makes me think too, like when I'm doing Reiki, like I'm never tired or exhausted in the process, right? Because we're drawing the energy in, right? We're not pushing our energy out anywhere, right? Right, right. So it's interesting that that akashic feeling, Christy, that you get because you're like, I'm exhausted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:17

That's what I yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:19

Yeah, I believe there's a lot of other people who will relate to that too. Yeah, so that's a really good question you asked.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:26

Okay, good. Yeah, it's not someone else will resonate with it because I was like, I have to ask this question, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:32

I'm glad you did.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:33

Yeah, it's even good for me to know too. Yeah, so it's a beautiful that's the beauty of these conversations, you know. We just discover new things and share with one another what we've experienced on our journeys and just try to help one another, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:48

Yeah, right? That's exactly. And a lot of people don't have in-person communities or other people that can ask questions like this to be like, hey, does this happen to you? And they're like, What?

SPEAKER_01 1:31:58

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:59

Yeah, did you see the football game? Right, yeah. Well, even just like you said, when you were like first like going through, and it's like, where have you been? It's just like you don't even want to know, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:09

You don't want to go there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:11

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, this was fantastic. Thank you so much. I feel like I could talk to you for another hour. Like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:22

Well, when your program releases, we'll definitely have you back on.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:26

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:27

We can talk all about that even more. Yeah, I I would really love that. So, where where can people find you?

SPEAKER_01 1:32:32

Uh um, if they go to uh purelightwell.com, P-U-R-E L-I-G-H-T, W E L L dot com, uh that's where you can find me.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:46

Okay, awesome. And you're on Instagram as well, so we can link that too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:54

Well, thank you for having me on today. I mean, I again, like I haven't been on a podcast in like 20 years, so uh thanks. Thanks for uh thanks for this experience and letting me share.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:07

Yeah, no, thank you. You're so well spoken, and I really love how you marry the science and the spirituality together, and it's like digestible, you know, like you take something like Joke Spence, and you can just explain it where I'm like my mind understands it. So thank you for that. I I really, really enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:27

My pleasure. Yeah, pleasure.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:29

Okay, so now to end our episode, uh, Christy is going to do a card pull for our listeners for me.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:37

All right, guys. So, yes, as I said, May, of course, is my favorite month. And yeah, I pulled a few cards here. I'm using the Rose Oracle by Rebecca Campbell. I've been really drawn to the rose lately, so I have really thought this would be a good deck to use. So, first card is the sun. So, joy and enjoyment, life force, success, vitality, and play. So, this really is like into the solar plexus. And I feel like, you know, when spring comes, like where we are in the northern hemisphere, we're really lighting up that solar plexus. Life is coming back to Earth around us and also within us. So it's a really good time to focus on um our inner power, our vitality, what lights us up, what doesn't. Let go of something that doesn't light you up. And letting go is, you know, such a beautiful lesson to learn through and to grow through and really to honor yourself and where you're at. And I had somebody tell me recently a really beautiful practice that she uses in her sessions. When somebody feels very stuck in a situation, um, whether it's a relationship, a job, where they live, she asks them, if you could not upset anyone or anything or like remove yourself completely from that, what decision would you make? What would you free yourself from? So if you're thinking of leaving a friendship, if you're moving, if you're changing jobs, but you're too scared to take that leap to upset the other person on the other side, if you remove that from the equation and set yourself free, what would you do in that moment? And I just really love that guidance because that's such a good, you know, question to ask yourself if you're feeling that stuckness and something, you know, even writing that down in a journal and seeing what comes through. And the vitality also, like the life force within you, when you you are making decisions, just ask yourself a simple question with your hands on your solar plexus is this going to deplete my life force or is this going to light my life force up? Simple as that. You know, when I even eat food and I'm like craving a bag of chips, I ask myself, Christy, is this gonna deplete your life force? Of course it is. So why would I do it? But I'm not saying like don't indulge in those moments, but you know, it's just something to be in tune with your body that I really love that simple guidance of asking yourself, is this gonna, you know, feed my life force or deplete it? And uh the next card here is the wild rose. So do it your way, embrace your uniqueness and untamed. So it's just, you know, I've been reading a lot about Reiki and you know, moving through the traditional Reiki and moving into my own practice, right? So it's like we talked about this before, where we have the, you know, the basis and the tradition, and we're honoring that, but we're also moving into our own way of doing sessions and healing and guiding. And I just feel like that is just a beautiful path to take. What do you want to bring to this session? Do it your way, release the dogma of any type of healing that you've heard. What makes it unique to you? Tune into that. And then the last card here is the rose garden. So is innocence, forgiveness, and be gentle with yourself. So this is also like being in your, oh wow, what are they saying? Like be in your stillness and be within yourself and then ask yourself those hard questions because when we can go and visit that shadow self, that inner beast, sometimes that is where those questions lie. But it's like we also need to forgive ourselves for the things that maybe we've done in the past and just knowing that, hey, we did the best we could with the information that we had in that moment. That's something that I've been working through and just going through some relationships in my past. And you know, I wasn't my best self like 10 years ago, but I'm just forgiving myself for who I was in that moment, and I'm forgiving whoever was involved in that situation. So yeah, I just feel like right now with spring and with gardens and things blooming, I feel like you know, going into your own garden, planting your own seeds and leaning into what flowers do I want to plant? What do I need to tend to my garden? Do I need to weed it? Do I need to fertilize it? What do I need to do right now? So I just feel like sitting with yourself and just having that insight and just really tuning into what do I need? And whether that's five minutes while your coffee's brewing, just tuning into yourself, or whether that's before you go to bed at night, or when you wake up in the morning, or having a shower. You know, sometimes the best guidance that comes through is when I'm doing something mudane, like vacuuming. I also had some crazy guidance come through when I was at the car wash because it's so loud in there, and I'm just with myself with the water, and like that's all I'm focused on. And I just got this these floods of downloads. So it's just when we can quiet our mind, we can get into that garden and we can hear our own guidance from our higher self and from our soul. So yeah, I feel like that's where I will end. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:18

Such a good message. I really took away that first one actually, about that. If you could do anything and nobody and you didn't like it didn't matter how anyone felt about it, right? Just focusing on yourself, that is like the perfect way to analyze the situation or analyze anything you want. And I actually was taught that when I was manifesting too. If you could have anything and it wouldn't upset anyone, what would you do?

SPEAKER_06 1:39:42

Yeah, there's so much freedom in that. Like there's just, you know, when you remove other people when you really care about what they think and say, it's just there's so much magic there.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:55

I agree. And the messages are perfect for this time of year, too, as well. I find.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:00

Yeah, I felt like it really pulled into springtime and the garden and all of that jazz.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:06

Yeah, I like the deck you used.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:08

Yeah, yeah. I you know, I haven't used this deck in a while, and I just love it. And the imagery on here is just so beautiful. But yeah, anyways, okay, so I think that's it for now. Uh, you can find us at Livin' the Reiki Life on Instagram, and we have our personal channels or handles as well. I'm at the Birch Soul, and I am Reiki with Manda. Yeah, all right. So thanks guys for joining us, and we will see you in June.