Profit Meets Purpose the Kindness-Driven Entrepreneur

Kandice Whitaker and Will Power Harris discuss the intersection of kindness, profitability, and entrepreneurship. Will emphasizes that kindness is profitable and shares his journey from a child preacher to founding an orphanage in India. He highlights the challenges of navigating corporate expectations and the importance of authenticity. Kandice and Will explore the concept of being a "pipeline" for blessings and the need for self-awareness in entrepreneurship. They also address the complexities of community and collaboration within the black community, advocating for mutual support and long-term solutions. Both stress the importance of conviction, confidence, and maintaining a positive outlook.

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Kandice, welcome to the bail yourself out Happy Hour Podcast, where each week we'll help you navigate the corporate jungle. Here's your host, Kandice Whitaker,

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welcome to the bail yourself out Happy Hour podcast, friends. Here we focus on personal growth, career growth and entrepreneurship. Our family, who are your virtual coworkers, are dedicated to providing you with the tools and insights to turn your dreams into reality and help you get your money up. In each episode, we'll explore strategies rooted in my framework, the bail method of resilience, designed to guide you in conquering challenges and thrive. I'm your host, Kandice Whitaker, and at the age of 21 I was a determined young mother of two who wanted to ensure my best possible life and defy the odds. So I took steps towards achieving the life I desire. I got my master's degree. Then I was a sought after consultant, which led me to starting my own company. I have a passion for helping people live their life to the fullest through resilience, using the bail yourself out approach. So I'm happy you're here. Kick off your shoes and relax your feet. Fill up your favorite drink, because the bail yourself out Happy Hour podcast is about to start now. Hey, y'all, Hey, welcome to the bail yourself out Happy Hour lounge. And today, friends, our virtual co host is my friend will power Harris. He is an entrepreneur, a humanitarian. He's a business coach. And you know what? Most importantly, he helps rich people get richer. So clap it up for my friend will power Harris. Hey, Will,

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what's up? Kandice Whitaker, I like

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that. I have to give an honorable mention to my parents. Shout out to my dad for that. What do you want the world to know about you? Fran, I

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want the world to know about me, or just know in general that kindness is profitable, that we normally think that maybe they have to be separate, that kind people can't be rich, especially if we come up with a traditional Christian background, right? We believe there's 11 commandment, Thou must be broke as a joke in order to get God's kingdom, that is natural commandment. So, you know, I think if you're consistently kind, then you're going to be consistently profitable.

2:32  
Did you say consistently tithing

2:34  
kind?

2:35  
If you mind? Ah,

2:37  
I think that might Freudian slip, Jesus lip. I think that might be true too, that another way of tithing is kindness, that you can give back like you and I were talking earlier, and I like what you said about how they kick it in Jamaica, in terms of Christmas time, they don't give gifts to each other, but they give gifts to charity, because that's biblical too, as well, right? Whatever you do to the least of these, you do up to me too. So yeah, I like that already.

3:06  
Okay. I love that. And you know another thing, if we're going to talk about the things that Jesus said, because we love Jesus, the poor will always be among us. He did say that. He told us already, that was 2000 years ago, and they still here. All you gotta do right block, you'll see him. These are facts. So I know that you're an entrepreneur, and I also know that you are humanitarian. But which one came first?

3:34  
I'm going to say humanitarian came first because I wasn't born rich, yeah, and I never had that question before. That's a fantastic question. The humanitarian part came first, I guess because I was a child preacher. I started preaching when I was nine, and the last sermon was when I was 13. It's called a vacation from God, it's a trip to hell and we will put so I guess I didn't

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even afford the rest of the lettuce, right?

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Yeah, that came first. But as an adult, once I started making money, I always gave half of my income away to charity, hiding always wasn't feeling it and giving it directly to churches, because I really didn't know where the money was going. And I like to see it directly. I was like, this person right here needs it. Why do I have to wait before Sunday the game and I can just give it to them, and that just started flowing from there. That is

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really interesting. I mean, I kind of think about tithing in the same way. Personally, I believe that, you know, if you're a member of a church, that's my responsibility to make sure that ministry is going but then there's also very real needs of people that are right there in front of you. Personally, one of the things that I always do, and I like to do, is Angel Tree. You know, it's the organization that helps people. People whose parents I think are incarcerated. So every year, Christmas time, that's a big thing. We get a whole bunch of kids gifts. And because my kids are not little anymore, they don't want toys. So this gives me an opportunity to go buy toys. Because I do like buying toys. I don't know why I like buying toys, okay, and I like wrapping them so they look pretty like that's important to me. And I also take older kids, because I feel like when you're 1617, years old, it's not your fault if your parent is incarcerated. But I also don't want you to get stuff that sucks. So I try to make no for real. I make a concerted effort to get stuff that I write what would be cool to a 1617, year old, and I bring my kids with me, because they know that stuff way more than I do, right? But I feel like giving back that's important. It just needs to be part of everything that we do. And I think ultimately, you know another biblical principle that goes along with that, is if you give or if you do well with what you're given, more will be given to you if you're a good steward of it. Yeah. Would you consider humanitarianism to be your true passion?

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You know what I think, that what I am and what I believe, there isn't a name for it yet, that the connotations around the words, the meanings that normally associated it's hard for me to express to people fully what I believe and what I think, because the words don't exist for us, but I just try my best the way that we understand it. I will say yes, but it's kind of like, what do you think is more important drinking water or eating food? Well, you need both, right? You need both. So when it comes to helping people, I put it to you this way, any profession, any job, any quote, unquote, career I ever have will be tied around helping people. So making money and helping people have to be intertwined in order to float my boat in order to get me excited, in order to get me up in in the morning. I can't just be, you know, rolling in the dough, but at the same time that helping anybody, it has to be both. So if I had to answer your question, I would say yes, but it's a little bit more. It's complicated.

7:16  
Well, that makes sense, and I think that speaks to how there's a lot of people who really don't know what their passion is, per se, but they understand the feelings that they like,

7:27  
yeah, and I think that the future us, everybody will understand their passion, that it will be a main thing that we learn and we study at an early age. So have an orphanage that we're building in India, and that's one of the programs that I want to see incorporate in our orphanage that we start them young, searching for, why were you born? Like there's some quote from somebody who was smart, at the very least, on the day they said this, that the two most important things right are, you know, the day you were born, and the day you figure out why you were born. So I think all of us were born for a reason to impact the planet in some way. And once we figure that out and tie that to how we live, like, straight up, why can't we just get paid to be Kandice? Why can't we just be paid to be will? Like, for several years, I told people, what do you do? How do you make money? I get paid to be me. I just walk around being me. And being me is profitable. Being kind is profitable. So it's a different way of looking at the world.

8:31  
I think that's an interesting thought, because on this pod, we've had conversations about how we as black people, people of color, the season diaspora have been somewhat trained if you want to work in corporate here's what you need to be, yeah, here's what you need to sound like, here's what you need to dress like. Here are the things you need to do and that may or may not, look like who you are, and the stresses that go along with that. When

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you believe one lie, it's hard to tell the truth. I was working for Motorola Solutions, and I was a director, Head of Global sales training, and three levels down from the CEO of Motorola Solutions, and this one guy who was one of my colleagues, it's like he didn't report to me, but we were kind of in the same group. He said, you know, how do you do it? And I said, do what. He said, How do you talk, the way you talk, and still, you keep getting promoted and going up. I was like, What are you talking about? And he was a Latino dude from New York, right? So what are you talking about? And he said, You talk black. I said, Well, you know, like the thing I just talked me like, this is the way I just naturally talk. There is no oh, it's 8am let me turn this will Harris on, and now it's 5pm let me turn this will Harris off. This just me all day. And I think when you're your authentic self, people fall in love with you, even if you're. Jerk fix. Be an authentic jerk face. People like that. That's when you're in that like you try to act like you're an angel, but then have doors. You a jerk face. Just be a jerk face all the time, and people going to love you, whoever you are, be authentically you, at least that was my motto, and that's what worked well for me.

10:19  
It's funny that you say that, but when you say that, it makes me think it takes courage to be authentically you.

10:26  
Yeah, but you know, this planet ain't for cowards. You shouldn't come here. If you're a coward, get off. Let's just keep it real. Kandice, so I mean, yeah, and if you have been fake and phony, and let's just call it what it is. If you're not all the way yourself, you can say whatever reasons, whatever excuses you get, Okay, I accept that. But if you have always been fake and phony, and now you're going to be authentic, you're going to get some lumps on your head, because there's going to be some people that like the fake, unauthentic you. And when you try to go that other route they're going, Hey, come on back here or this. So you take those lumps in your head and eventually it course corrects. But I mean, just like kindness, you can't just do kindness and then have your hand out waiting for money to fall from the sky. You have to be consistently kind, and eventually the universe catches up with you. You have to successfully be you authentically, and then the vibrations that you're kicking out will bring the right people around you eventually,

11:29  
I can see both sides of what you're saying. I have like 12 thoughts going on at the same time. There are so many spaces in corporate America, let's face it, they don't really want authentic black Kandice, they don't. But what happens when you know I'm in a position right now in my career where I can say, well, if you don't want me kick rocks, but I know there were times where I wasn't, it was like, I would be happy to be here. I'll put on my good white voice to be here. I'll wear my honest blue suit. That's a privilege to be able to come and show up as you are, like, I can see both sides, but now I'm unwilling to do that. But I had to get to the point where I could say, yeah, no, I'm not doing that. No more, yeah. So

12:13  
let's talk about, like, the mass exit, right? So every Yes. So ever since COVID, people say, You know what, I'm sick or tired of being sick and tired. Now, I'm going to take a step back, and I want to be realistic, because the things that I have, the things that I do, it's not magical. It's not like I woke up one day and I got here. But there are certain realities we have to face. If you're in the corporate world, just like if you were a professional athlete, whoever is your boss, bought something. They bought a particular brand. They're expecting for you to show up with that brand. So if I'm working in the corporate world and they need to hear that white voice, then they have bought into that brand that I presented, that I sold them in the freaking interview, nobody spontaneously gets a job. Oh, oh, my god. How did I show up at this cubicle? No, I went to that job interview. I presented a brand, and they bought into that brand, and now I'm here. That's kind of like, you get married, right? And you're like, one way, and then once you get married, right? They see, wait, wait, I didn't buy this brand.

13:22  
Isn't that what people say all the time, though, you change put on some weight.

13:30  
My my godfather, when I was a kid, he got divorced. And I said, Sir, why did you get divorced? He said, Listen, before anybody gets married. And I imagine it's the same way in a job, too. Right before anyone gets married, in their mind, you might have 10 things, 10 ideal things that you say, I want in my ideal spouse. And then you meet somebody, and they have seven out of the 10, and you're like, Oh my God, that's pretty good. They're just missing three things, seven out of 10. Yeah, I can roll with this. I can rock with this. But then you get married and you realize that one of the things that they were they really weren't. So then you keep with them, and you figure out one of the things that you thought you like you really don't like anymore, because you change, and then the world change, or the situation changes, and then that makes it so that on their end, it changes, and the next thing you know, you have somebody that has four out of the 10 things that you really want in somebody. And he said, That is why I got divorced.

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Well, you got a whole breakdown, sir, there you go.

14:31  
Happens every day. The same thing happens in the job a particular point in time. You go in there and you're expecting, hey, I want one thing. I think this company is one way. And you get in, you find out they were faking and you were faking. Then

14:42  
the world came faking together, right?

14:47  
Yeah, thinking that would make like a great song, that'd make a great song, faking it together.

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I love that the way you explained it, because it that is how it is, because, you know, they'd be lying in the interview. Too. Yeah, that's the truth.

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Now people are like, I'm fed up with it, and I can it's like I was raised by a single mama, and I can't tell you how many times I heard Irene Harris say, I can do bad all by myself. So serious, somebody is like, Hey, I don't have to work through this company. I can go off on my own. I can be entrepreneur. I can get my hustle on or have a side hustle. I can maybe take a less stressful job and then use the side hustle and balance the money I was making when I was an official corporate slave. Or I can just break out and maybe, maybe I just have massive success as an entrepreneur on my own. Forget you. Forget your fake ways. I don't want to be fake. No Mo, it's not you, it's me.

15:47  
I love that. I love the way you explained it in such an articulate way. And there's just a tremendous amount of authenticity and belief in yourself. You have to have to be able to get there. So this what we all trying to do. You gotta build yourself up so you can navigate your life to be able to shape it to be what you want it to be, right? Because ultimately, if you spend more time working than you do with your family, that is your life. We don't like thinking about it that way, but we do

16:21  
yep, yep, and you're right. And just entrepreneurs in general, it's about conviction and confidence. Conviction like, Are you sure you're sure? Are you sure you're sure? You got to have conviction that the route, the path that you're going on, is what is best for you, because if not, you're going to have everything from haters to doubters that are going to pop up along the way. So you gotta have conviction. And then the other thing is you gotta have confidence, and that confidence, I don't keep it real with you. Kandice, are you good, great or the greatest? It's one of those three. Are you good, great or the greatest? Because nobody listening to your podcast is going to be bad. Nobody's ass out. You can't be ass out and listen to Kandice with a K No, because smart enough to listen to it. So we know that everybody's listening to this is either good, great or the greatest. And your ability to be honest with yourself, with who you are that matters the most. Because I don't think that somebody that the is the greatest is more special than somebody who is good. I mean the greatest at that job, or the greatest at that that role you play in somebody's life. I don't think that. I think it's really about, I don't know. I mean, I got on the biblical stage that you think I go to church every Sunday. I don't even remember last time I went to church, though, Kansas. But I gotta pull this from the good book about the talents and like, Hey, I gave you this. I came back. How many more did you pick up. So I think that you can be born from particular talent. You could be the greatest, like on the planet, but you showed up that way. How did you improve from there? How much did you improve? You take somebody like that lady who put in the money, that's it. That's a better example. Yeah, the two people, right, yeah. The lady was broke as a joke. He had the rich man, and the rich man threw it on, like $5,000 and then the poor lady threw in like $5 and Jesus was like, hey, that $5 lady put in more than him. She did more based on what she had. I think that's right. She gave everything. She gave everything. So how much are we putting in? So are you good? Are you great, or are you the greatest? And based on how you classify yourself, how are you going to improve? And if you do that, then I think you're a successful entrepreneur.

18:48  
It's a lot to consider. Let me ask you this, because whether you're good, great or the greatest, right, pursuing your passion isn't easy. So when you're in the midst of pursuing your passion. What keeps you motivated? Because life be life in right? So what keeps you motivated? How do you keep on and keep this level of positivity and keep this belief in yourself?

19:10  
So I can't talk about everybody, right? But I can definitely talk about me. And there's two things for me that keeps me motivating going on. The first is, if anyone says anything about me having an impact in their life and helping them, that is a humongous, big motivation to me, huge, because that's what I do this for. Like everything that I do, I do with the intent of hopefully uplifting and taking someone to the next level. So that's the first thing. And the second thing that motivates me is I get high on my own supply. So I'm a writer, right? I read my own books. I'm a speaker. I listen to my own speeches. I get high on my own supply. I motivate myself. I'm even into. Meditation. But guess what? I listen to my own meditation. Audios me talking to me, because sometimes you may not have someone that tells you, hey, you helped me today, not that you didn't help anybody, but everyone isn't going to give you that compliment. You need to motivate you. Sometimes you gotta motivate yourself. You can call it manifestation. You can call it affirmations. I call it. I get high on my own supply.

20:23  
Well, I love that. One of the things that I do personally is it doesn't happen often, but it does happen when people give me compliments or say that I've helped them. I write it down, and I have little index cards that I keep in my nightstand, draw so if I feel away, I will go and I will go through my index cards, reading the things that people have said, how I've helped them along their journey. That's one thing that I do. I definitely believe in meditation, but I also believe in speaking over yourself, right? Because you will have what you say, yeah. So I have a bunch of different things that I say over myself pretty regularly that kind of keep me motivated personally. Here's the thing about speaking over yourself, not everybody understands that. So when you get accustomed to, as I have, saying things to myself, like everything attached to me wins when you say that out loud to people who are not accustomed to speaking well over themselves, or even to the people around them, you sound like you're bragging. Yes, other people don't know how to take it, so I'm just telling y'all. If y'all don't know, do yourself a favor when you're talking like that. Make sure you're speaking to people who will understand it or prepared just to get misunderstood. It's going to happen. Because when it happened to me, I was shocked. I was I was like, Y'all, don't think that about yourself. You don't think you're great all the time. I tell

21:52  
you, it's a lot of people. I used to work for this dude named Zig Ziglar. Mr. Zigler said humble people don't think less of themselves. They just think of themselves less. So a lot of people think not complimenting yourself is humility and being humble. That ain't humility. It's not.

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It is absolutely not.

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And if you speak yourself up, how much are you speaking up about other people? I think that's more definition. It shouldn't just be one way, right? Like Muhammad Ali, I'm the greatest. But he also said other people were the greatest too, and what they did so your ability to recognize greatness in others as well as yourself, that's the whole truth. Truth, I think that is

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100% it will because I think of it this way, if I don't speak well of myself, if I don't think I'm great, then I don't have anything to give you. Can't pour from an empty cup, nope. No, not at all. So that's a great thought to put a paper clip in it. When we get back from this break, we're gonna talk about how you got into your passion of humanitarianism. Keep it where you got it. We'll be back.

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Hey, y'all, Hey, welcome back to the bail yourself out Happy Hour lounge. I'm chillin today with my friend will power Harris, and he is our guest co host chillin today in the lounge. He is an entrepreneur. He's a humanitarian, and just the all around dope guy. Now we were talking about all kinds of things in the last segment, but I want to bring it back to you. Will. Can you share a moment that led you to discover that I'm really into humanitarianism, your passion,

24:04  
I would say there's two moments Kandice that led me to see how much I love being humanitarian. The first was when I was a kid, I had a dream about Jesus, and in this dream, Jesus said I preach my sayings, and I told my grandfather was pastor of my church, and that just kind of got me going along that path. And the second thing that really brought me kind of closer to it, because the first thing kind of gave me an inclination of what was up. But the second thing was in India, I had found out about this gentleman who had 500 orphans that used to be owned by a gang, and they used to cut. These kids owned, owned. They were slaves. Slaves like they would cut their face. They would drug them. How do you get a three year old to stand on a corner all day? Okay, and that move right? You're gonna have to drug them. So they would drug them. So this guy right? He went down to the train tracks, and his first pencil was a stick, his first paper was the ground, and he started using a stick and teaching these kids how to read and write well. For his efforts, they put his butt in jail. They put him in jail because the police were crooked and the gang members right. They were like, This guy is messing with our money teaching these kids how to read. And these kids protested like 10 year olds, 13 year olds, outside of the jail, saying, Let our teacher go. Guy became famous for a little while. They let him out. You know how it is right? You had your 15 minutes of fame. After the 15 minutes was over, the guy still had no money now to take care of these 500 kids. So when I found out about it, we had a willpower day where we bought these kids clothes and we got them games like cricket game and softball games, and just seeing a smile and a joy on their faces, and empowering this guy who just had this beautiful drink that he sacrificed for that was like a catalyst for me to clearly see this is the type of result that I meant to do, how, the how may be a little different, but I know that the where, this is where I want to end up. Well,

26:27  
first of all, I never asked you, how did you just end up in India?

26:31  
Yeah, so everything is like a progression. There was nothing specific than I could point to that book. All of a sudden, my I was in India. So my first book, willpower. Now I did a Facebook page for it like in May, and in June, that Facebook page jumped from 1000 to 10,000 followers, and by the end of the year, I had 200,000 followers, and they were all in India. Eventually, that page went up to 1.2 million. And after December of that year, I wanted to go to India and find out why do Indians like little old black me. Cuz I had never been there before. They

27:10  
probably thought you was Indian by looking honestly.

27:13  
No, you look at me, I'm black as night. They know I'm not Indian. They thought I was Indian in India. That's because you got that good hair. You got Indian in your family. Listen,

27:22  
anything that covers your head is good hair. And I got more colonizer than Indian. But we're not ready for that adult conversation.

27:31  
So the first steps that got me towards India was online. I had a online community and Facebook. This is going back in 2013 that just massively grew, which then drew me to India. And then once I got there, when you have no fear of where you going to walk, when you walk with conviction and you walk with confidence, you'd be amazed at how far you go. And I got a lot of both.

27:56  
That is absolutely amazing. So people started following you on Facebook, like, 10 years ago, yeah. And you're like, Alright, let me go to India and see what it's hitting for. Like, what crazy? It's crazy. Like, whoosh, from 1000 to 10,000 in one weekend, and then it was 50,000 and then it was 100,000 then it was, I was like, What in the world is going on? It made you to decide that section of India, because, like, India is big. If I picked India, I probably would have picked Delhi, because that's, like, the only part I know. Yeah. I mean, to be honest,

28:32  
I will summarize it, because it's very intricate. But one of my superpowers was social media from the beginning, and looking at stats and analysis and figuring out what to change. So in a shorter period of time, I was able to identify what some people never would have been able to identify. This was just my superpower. So it's the right mix of having talent and the right heart for what I was doing. Well,

28:58  
you know, I feel like it's one of those things. There's no wasted moments. And everything that you have, ultimately, you'll see And when I'm talking about everything, I'm talking about your gifts, your talents, your abilities, they all comprise what you're meant to do, and they all will compliment each other at any given moment. Absolutely, what the people listening, you gotta look for it. What the people listening don't know is, and I'll tell the story. In the fall of 2023 I traveled to India with Will. He takes a group there to speak at a festival related to a saint brasherson took regime Maharaj y'all could Google him. So I went to speak. But the reason I'm telling you guys this story, I want to illustrate how all your gifts, they'll make room for you. None of them are wasted. So I'm there, and I'm wearing my headphones, my noise canceling headphones, because my introvert was dying from being around people. 24/7, because will is a. Extrovert, extrovert. And so he keeps everybody in groups. And I was like, Oh, my God, I just want to be alone. It was

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just by myself. Oh,

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my goodness. So, long story short, they needed a singer for something. I didn't even hear any of this, because my noise canceling headphones were on, right? But one of the other people in the group was like, Yo, she can sing. And tells will this so Will's like, so heard you can sing. And his very will way. I was like, yeah, like, what? And then he was like, I was just wondering if you could sing. And I was like, so mind you, I'd already come prepared to speak, right speaking, having all my little words together, I was ready to go. We've been practicing this speech for months at this point, but now will the day of is saying, yo, I want you sing two hours before you can't You

30:56  
gotta let them know. And this was to 700,000 people. Is that, like, seven? It's 700,000

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people. Well, so I was like, Alright, I get up and I sing in a hotel room, by the way, there was somebody else supposed to sing. She sang right before me. I get up and sing. Will was like, Yeah. He says to the other girl, yeah, you're not going to sing. Kandice is going to sing. I was like, Damn will when you know, you know, oh, my God. So I sing this song in front of all of these people, and this is not at all what I came for, right? So I say that to say Your gift will make room for you always be ready. And sometimes it makes no sense. That is not what I went to India for, but that is apparently what God sent me to India for, because I don't make the rules. I just work here. Yeah, that's one of my friends. That's

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that is a true story. On the day of an event that she came, she spoke to and killed it speaking, I said, Hey, would you mind singing to 700,000 people, and she hadn't sung in a minute either. And she was just like, yeah, that's how OG Kandice with a K is and all those idiots like, what? Yeah. Oh, you, God, you killed it. Like I was saying, seriously, one thing you don't know, I would say, maybe at least every two months at most, I either listen to you singing from that time to myself, or I show it to other people. At the max, two months, I want to listen to it by myself, but in a shorter time period, surely I show people like you gotta see this. It was

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so crazy, you always gotta be ready. If you stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready when

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you live the life. It's easy to write the book. When you wrote the book, it's easy to make the movie. So everything you did in that day, in that moment, was who you were. I wasn't asking you to be anything. You weren't. You were being authentically you, and you stood up and these people who had never heard anything like what you did, have never seen anybody like you, but being authentically you. They loved you.

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So I know how to be friend, yep, yep. Let's down shift a little bit. I know everything that you're doing. So will is an entrepreneur, y'all, and he has a couple of businesses, and one of the main things that he does is he does a lot of Social Work philanthropy in India. So that was part of why we were there. He has an orphanage, and I know he does stuff with senior citizens, like old folks home and stuff like that. And I know, because I've heard your stories that this has not been an easy way for you, right? So what were some of the biggest challenges when you decided, yo, I'm a black guy from Virginia, but I'm going to open up an orphanage in India, because I feel like this is what I'm supposed to do. That

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same person, right? That same group that I told you about, who had those 500 orphans? Uh, when I went to their village on that day, they had this hole. And that hole that they had in the ground was about three, maybe four stories deep. Look very dangerous. And I was like, Why do you guys have this big, humongous hole in the ground? And he said they were searching for water because it was dry. It was hot out there, and they needed water because this little community that it had, they had to really ship water from outside. So they found out that probably a quarter mile away, there was a nice water source. So we had some pipes to come from there, it would really help them out. It was $2,000 was how much it would have cost to get that done. Gave them the $2,000 I was extremely happy Kandice. They built another hole. They did not use that money for what I gave them that money for. It was a scam. The only person that benefited or. The guy who owned that backhoe to dig up the ground, and they were keeping these kids in an impoverished state in order to rake in more money. And that broke my heart. And I was like, that's the final straw. I'm going to build my own so I didn't want to, you know, invent the will if there was already an organization there helping kids, and I wanted to contribute to that. But when that didn't work out, that for the first time, that for the second, not even for the 10th time, I decided it's time for me to do it on my own. And I had no experience, no idea how. I just knew again, I had that conviction that this is what I needed to do, and I had the confidence that the way will be shown to me. It's like what MLK said back in the day, you don't need to know all the steps. You just need to know the next one. And I knew what the next one was, that, after I cussed them out, that I knew what the next you anytime that you try to go to another level, there going to be some stress, there's going to be some turbulence, either because you have somebody in particular pushing back on you, or maybe your own self pushing back on you. You just have to push through it, conviction and confidence. What

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did that teach you about yourself in a proud way?

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I knew that Papa don't take no mess. That's the first thing. Because it's not until you, I mean, you can always say, yeah, the house was on fire. This is what I will do. But it's not until that house is on fire that you will truly, truly know what to do. So that really gave me confidence in myself, that I was going to step up to the plate and identify when someone was taking advantage of me, and then that just walk away like I could have walked away from all of India. I said, Forget y'all right, I'm over here trying to help y'all and you gonna treat me like this so I can be broke? Yeah, there you go. Peace out. But instead of doing that, I just decided to stick with the same intent and heart and just go about it a different way.

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That's the cool thing about being an entrepreneur and sticking with it, I think the more and at least I've seen it in my life and the lives of people who are around me. The more that you have these kind of successes and you do the impossible, the more courage you'll have, and the better you'll be going forward. It's like the images behind the stories that I'm telling you, like for all your questions you're asking, these are like the images that come to my mind, and the stuff that we do this is the motivation that keeps me going. You can't be around people that are going to motivate you, be around the images that motivate you. You can't be around the images that motivate you, be around the thoughts that motivate you. That was the one thing I really missed. I wish when we went to India, had an opportunity to meet with some of the orphans. I tell people all the time, I've been to a lot of places. I've been very blessed to go to a lot of different places in the world, but I've never seen poor like I've seen in India, like we went off shopping in amrati India, which is like, is India? India? Y'all Yeah,

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ain't no shot glasses that you can buy. Chris says, I love Indy.

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I mean, it was absolutely shocking to see a downtown that kind of looked like downtown Brooklyn, for real. And it I was, like, still, like, up in downtown Brooklyn, but I get my black butt up and I'm walking around and I'm like, a parade. Everybody's stopping and looking at me, yeah? And I was like, Why is everybody staring? Because I'm from mind, your business, New York, that is not a thing, just being there. And I thought the people were just short, right? I was like, wow, why am I like a giant here? Y'all know, I'm like, five, nine and three quarter barefoot, right? So I'm like, Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom, like a giant. And then it occurred to me, yo, this is malnutrition, yes,

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yeah, you called it. You called it. I remember, like they it's just, I thought they were just kidding, you know, because in America, we're all fat, right? And I was taking a picture one time with this family outside of cold Connor, because I was investigating how to stop child marriages. And I'm taking a picture and I'm smiling, and when I show these pictures to some of the other Indian associates I have, they're like, Wow, these guys are starving, and that picture killed me. So just imagine I am in a picture, smiling, having a grand old time around people who are starving. And I did not know, because I just thought they're slender because they're Indian. No, this is skinny, even for you. The ends, it's that lack of knowledge that I had, and there's so many different things that you just don't know what you don't know until you get down to the grassroots, until you get away from those tourist spots and you go into the nitty gritty. But

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wait, I didn't even tell you the craziest part, there were two things that happened that I'll never forget my life that I don't know, that I've ever told you will we all know Charlie Brown. Who's the dirty one, the one with the dirt Halo, who's that one big pen? Pig pen, right? I was going to say Linus, but I knew that wasn't right. That's

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the security blanket, dude. Pig pen.

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So, pig pen, okay? I always thought that was just like a joke. I saw real people with a pig pen dust Halo in India. No, I swear to God. So what happened was, Now, mind you, My ass is in like downtown. I'm variety looking for gold to buy. This is the dichotomy. I'm looking for gold place, funny and

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sad at the same time. I don't know what face to have, but viewers don't get mad at me. You see me laughing because the girl is just funny. It's sad story too, though, but keep going.

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Literally, I'm still mad I didn't buy my damn gold bracelet. I'll tell y'all that story in a minute. But anyway, these people came, and I saw them from a distance looking like pig pen. I thought it was three kids, I really did, but I didn't know the mom was that short too. I was like, Oh, damn you the mom. She look, I'm telling you, she didn't look like she was more than seven. That's how short she was, like the height of a seven year old. And then, you know, also, coming from New York, we don't touch strangers. I seen the dirty people with the pink pen Halo, they came up to me and tapped me. I thought I would have died. Do you know what a germaphobe I am? Yeah, I'm going to get a bum bump. Oh, my God. Y'all didn't see that. Kevin Hart, I was like, I'll give you whatever you want, Please, just don't touch me anymore. Like, because I've never seen human beings this dirty. I'm so

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whenever you want,

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so serious. Like, I felt like a dirt hostage. You don't touch me anymore. I'm a germaphobe. Yeah, they got me. But then I saw this other lady, I'll call her sister. She was about as tall as me, so she has some milk growing up. But she was very slim, very dark skinned. And when I tell you, she had a baby that was naked, oh,

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you had a naked baby experience, you know, Shubham, right. So Shubham, one of the guys from my team, he had this picture with this baby that had a jacket on, like a jack, like a little lily jacket, and butt naked. And I was just like, um, yeah, we're not used to the butt naked stuff. And can we give that baby some pants? That should be that first humanitarian thing we do. Baby needs some pants.

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Never seen a naked baby. Like, how do you know what a pink is that a baby? Or is

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that like a little person? That's like a real little person, just butt naked little person. That's a shame.

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I have never in the whole history of my life seen a naked baby. I was like, Oh my God. Like, there's levels to it. I've never, like, you read about it in the Bible, you've you're a kid that grew up in church. You've heard Naked and Afraid. I've never seen this in real life. I was like, what?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean not to say that all of India is that way, but India is a place of extremes. You have extreme wealth and you have extreme poverty, and that gap in between is a damn chasm. That

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is what I'm saying. Like, we have poor people here, but I've never seen anybody naked for real, yeah? Mm, hmm, even the poor people be fat. They be fatter because they gotta buy the processed food

43:58  
I'm just saying, yeah. I like to tell people in USA, we're all rich here, but we're just rich people comparing ourselves to other rich people. So you feel like you're not rich, but when you see a butt naked baby, right? Yeah, that tells you something unbelievable, and money alone can't buy it off either. So imagine being in that environment long term, like me, like it's been a decade now, where you know, no matter how much money I make, I can give away every penny I give my shirt off my back to that butt naked baby. It still isn't going to be enough to solve everything. Then you need to have the conviction right and the confidence to have a plan that long term makes a difference. That's the only way you can survive and thrive in an environment like that,

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absolutely. But I mean to even speak to our situation in the US, money isn't everything. People have money, but they be on antidepressants.

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There's so few people in general that are long term happy, that are like, You know what? I am, right where I'm supposed. To be in life, I have more happiness and joy than I have sorrow and sadness, because we're all chasing things. Like I said, the biggest thing humans believe they need is more you're never

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going to be happy if you're constantly comparing yourself to others. That doesn't mean you don't strive for things, right? But there's a part of us that really just needs to be grateful in the moment in order to be content every day of my life, good day, bad day, or in between, I strive to be content. You gotta be grateful for what you have, because otherwise you're not going to be happy. And anybody who's listening, by the way, if you should be on antidepressants, take your medication. I'm not saying don't take your medication. I'm

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saying take two put the fool that ain't taking theirs. But I

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am going to say if you're a long term stressed, anxious, unhappy, you really need to really consider the things in your life that are making you that way and see if you can make some changes,

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especially if you're an entrepreneur, because that can be a lonely, lonely role to have, um, and also keep in mind that kindness too, that when you're doing something regularly on purpose to help someone out, you think about your problems a little less. Your problems don't seem as big. So that helps too, to have some type of role of kindness. And you don't have to go all the way to India to do your kindness. There's probably somebody on your block who consistently can use some help. But when you do that, that rhythm of life, giving up love in that way, it comes back to you. Still take your mad stuff, but try to slide that

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All right, y'all Hey, welcome back to the bail yourself out Happy Hour podcast, yo, I have my guest co host today, will power Harris. We have been talking about his life as an entrepreneur, his life as a humanitarian. And if you're a person who's listening, who's an entrepreneur, some things that you can do to help yourself out along the way. Want to ask you something will how has living your passion affected you, your family, your friends? We know how it's affected your community, but you always an Indian. You got a wife and a son,

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right, right, right. So in terms of family, hasn't really impacted them, because I've been this way all the time, like I was a corporate trainer well before a global humanitarian. So just traveling and stuff, it's kind of like my wife bought into that brand I was traveling already when I met, no bait and switch, you already know, right? And my son, he said something interesting to me, but one year ago, for a mentor in India, I had to go for shubham's wedding, and I left on the day my son graduated from high school. So he had his high school graduation, and then I had a long tour in India, so I went to that and then after the graduation, after the graduation party, I'm leaving the graduation party, going, hopping on a plane to go to India, to be there for a couple of weeks. And he said, Dad, I always know every time you leave, you're coming back, and you're the type of father that the biggest problems in my life. You help me solve the little things I can do on my cell, but when they're really big, you got them for me now, which made me feel good, because remind me of my mama. My mama said, with her friends, I may not talk to you every day, but I'm the one you call when you need to make a body or bury one. So that's kind of like me, if I'm in your life personally from everybody else, like friends, I tell you what I'm give you the straight scoop on this one. When I started paying for the party, people change, and when I decided to stop paying for the party. People change. So when you're the richest man in the room, people are going to change from having the yes people and trying to filter through and still try to get these people to speak to you straight. Some people just can't help for being phony, though, like no matter what, no matter how down to earth you are. Are. They're just going to try to exalt you, or put you up, or just be a certain way. So when I started being the richest man in the room, people change, and when I stopped using my money as an attempt to solve people's problems, where I saw that that's just a temporary fix to a permanent problem, that there's something else that I can offer instead of my money. And people like, Oh no, no, no, we just want the money. I'm like, no, no, no. They changed too. So those are the Oh, you

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preaching, right there you you taught a man to fish, yeah,

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or try to at least. And they're like, No, bro, I

50:36  
want to learn how to fish. They just want you to give them fish. No,

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no. No. We want you to come in there. It's like if Jesus came through. It's like, Look imma, teach all of y'all how to heal the sick. No, Lord, just let us touch the hem of your garment. No, yesterday, no, no. Just like spit on our our eye and wipe that mud clear so we can see it's all good. We don't want to learn that's the reality for a lot of people. That

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was hard for me to really understand. I was like, why don't you want to learn how to have your own like, I couldn't understand that. It took me a minute. Like, so you just good. You look around with everything that you got going on, as my grandmother would say, living from pillar to post with some of my people, and you prefer to be the beggar and not the lender, right? You pick beg,

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yeah, you have the giver, you have the receiver, and you have the gift, and people just want to be the receiver. Now I think that all of us are at different levels, at different points, and some people will never, ever have the aspiration to be the giver, but the giver in the situation is greater than everyone in that situation, because if you're taking my gift, that gift is going to eventually expire. It just is. It's not going to last forever. So go ahead, take it. Abuse me. You can take this gift, but it came from me, right? I didn't take it from anybody else, either my mind or my heart, and that's unlimited. I can always create again. So trying to put people in a position, especially as an entrepreneur, there's a lot of people who are following an old paradigm that was created from an even older mindset. They're just followers, they're not leaders, they're not originators. And I don't think that's a bad thing, but I just think it's not an honest thing. When people don't call it out and don't say, You know what, let me keep it real. I'm really a follower. I'm a follower, even though I'm an entrepreneur, I think I'm a leader. I'm really a follower. And the pejorative though, to be a better follower, to find that's something newer to follow.

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Nobody's going to say that, because it's a pejorative. Will, yeah, it's

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like nobody says, You know what, Kandice, I really have a bad personality. I do. My personality just sucks. And also bad driver. Now, never said my personality sucks. But after, I'm 52 right? So after 52 years, I finally admitted this out loud to my wife and son in person. I'm a bad driver. I just am. I just am. So I got a a ticket for the first time in probably a decade, but it was a decade of me getting by when I probably should have got a lot more tickets. So I just submitted it. My wife and and kid were just in ecstasy over that

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revelation. To you, you came out the closet as a bad driver. Everybody

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knew but me. Everybody knew but me, but I just accepted it. But I don't have a bad personality, but I am a bad driver. I'm made more for like Mad Max, like the apocalypse, the apocalypse Come, come to my crib and ride with me. We going to make it.

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We are to go back for just a second to what you were saying about being the person who's a giver, right? So I mean that principle is biblical. We started the show talking about tithes, but if you are a giver, you'll be given more. One of the things that I pray personally for myself, and this was even before I was an entrepreneur, I prayed, Lord, make me the pipeline. I have no issue with blessing other people, because you see, if you're the pipeline, you gotta get wet too. If you can be trusted to help other people. You get yours.

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Mm, hmm, I have a puja room. It's like a place where I meditate. Puja is a word I I scooped up and borrowed from India. And what is that?

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We went to school in the ghetto. We don't know puja.

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So prayer, meditation room. Make they have, like, a puja room. It's a fancy way to say you got a meditation room. It's pretty much a closet that's smaller than, like a walk in, but it's bigger than, like a regular closet. And in this puja room, I have my mantras I stand for, and one of the three is that I'm a funnel of God's unlimited blessings and giving. I'm a others of God's unlimited blessing and giving. So when you're a funnel that way, right, first of all, you can't just keep it that. That's the difference, right? River and a lake. A lake keeps all that goodness to itself. A river flows, right? Allow people to grow. So if you're going to be a funnel of God's unlimited goodness. You gotta give. You gotta give. That's right, not just the people who deserve it too. You gotta give right

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to the ones you don't like, to the ones who don't deserve it, even to the ones who talked about you and treated you bad.

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If you're going to connect it up with God, you got to if you say, I'm a funnel of God's unlimited well, then those are different rules. So what you claim so just being a Christian or Buddhist or Hindu, whatever you are, or humanitarian, whatever you can connect it to, has to be true. So if I say I'm a humanitarian, am I just a humanitarian to black people, or am I a humanitarian? What you connect up to whatever source you have to be aligned with that source. And a lot of people just aren't in alignment with the type of entrepreneur they are, so they don't have as much of the success that's possible for them to have. I

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mean, that's true. And self awareness, I think, is key in anything. The word that I thought about as you were saying knowing the kind of entrepreneur you are, because I'm the type of person that I'm a problem solver, right? Just because a person is a follower doesn't mean they can't be an entrepreneur. But the word that jumped in my mind is, maybe you need to be part of a franchise? Cuz that's the type of business where they'll tell you what to do. All you gotta do is follow directions really well. So I'm going

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to throw something out there. This is a perfect place to talk about black owned business. So I'm talking to some entrepreneurs yesterday, and one of the things this lady said to me was that she was told to be careful of trying to partner or work with other black entrepreneurs, because they're extremely competitive, like crabs in a barrel, right? And I was like, Oh my goodness. I said the old saying that the old school mentality was about competing. I think the new mentality, the people that are most successful, are the ones that try to out partner, who can have the most great partners, working together, collaborations, having a coalition of colleagues is much better than just trying to go out there and be the top dog On your own, you've got to learn to work with people, the same people, right, even in the same industry, to get along.

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So I will say this of crabs in the barrel, because that phrase pisses me off. But be real honest, that phrase pisses me off because I feel like within the community, if you know, you know within the community, you hear crabs in a barrel quite often, right? But I feel like, in general, we need to give ourselves a little bit more grace. I feel like that's an older term from the older generation. Let me put it to you in this way. I was talking to you earlier about the fact that I'm a history nerd. I like history because I'm a storyteller by nature, right? And so remembering stories is easy for me, and facts that align with the story, if you put it in context that black people who were born before 1965 were not born with their rights intact, that's correct, that is. And if you are a woman, you didn't even have all your rights until after the 70s, right? You couldn't bank account well, right? And then they took them back. At that point, there were so few black people in any sort of position of power. Where did the majority of us see our power? Church, that was our model, which is very patriarchal, top down model. So I was born in the 80s. When I go into boardrooms, when I was working in corporate there weren't too many other black people, right? As I was entering boardrooms in the early 2000s This was before I was an entrepreneur. Okay, I couldn't imagine what it would have been like for somebody who was born 10 years before me in the 70s, or 10 years before that, in the 60s. So is it crabs in the barrel, or is it we just ain't used to working with other folks that are like us? I mean, I'm just saying, I'm

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telling you on that, but you can't say it's rare now to see because there's. We're on TV, we're in neighborhoods. We have whole community, like, whole communities, like, here in Maryland, we got like, the richest community in the on the planet, in the

1:00:09  
country, but, yeah, but you live in Maryland also. But there's a reason that I moved to Maryland to be around more black people like me, because I lived in Connecticut, and there weren't that many. Even in New York, there are black people and there are black people doing things. We're in pockets. We're in Long Island. We're in the city in Albany, in Buffalo. New York is a huge state. Everybody

1:00:31  
that looks black ain't black either in New York.

1:00:35  
Oh, well, we ain't even going to talk about the fact that everybody that's folk ain't kin folk, that's a whole different pod that we can talk about. But like the idea of collaboration, I think is a fairly new concept, because as a person who's an entrepreneur, I can fairly say that I have been welcomed in open arms, in communities with people who look like me, who are entrepreneurs. I have not experienced crabs in a barrel. I have, however, experienced unreliable people. And to take it a further step back, to talk about the crabs in the barrel mentality, if you're a person who was of those older generations where there weren't all that many black people doing these kind of things, are you just going to link up with another person just because they negro. Mm, is that crabs in the barrel? Or is that? Well, I already know the socio economic status. You probably ain't got no money. Just being honest,

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right, right, right? Oh, man, there's so much to unpack there. So I'm going to try to break it down. It was like, that's another episode, right? So I want to try to just touch upon three topics. I was born in 71 and for the people that are born in that decade, I was saying that I came up with a mentality of, if you see a black person, try to help them out. You see a black person, you gravitate to help them because the odds are stacked against them and that they're family, you gotta try to help them out. So that's the mentality that I just naturally have or grew up with, even though the reason for that mentality, I can't say exists from what I see any longer. Like we know who the new Negro is, and it ain't black people. This is another race that has taken over doing all of the gardening and the maids and cooking, like I have cleaning staff to come in, and they ain't black. Ashley, the lady who owned it was black, and she sold it to another group of people. She's at another level. Now that's the first thing. The second thing, I would say that thing that you said about not being consistent or dependable is huge, huge, huge, huge. And there's something that I did not, I personally did not account for but hearing you say that out loud is so true. There's so few people that may have good intentions but horrible executions when it comes to working together and partnering and believing and just understanding and or just the knowledge of Win. Win doesn't mean 5050, it means I progress and you progress. But we may not have progressed the same amount, but we did better together than we would have done alone. So that's the second thing. And I guess the third thing I will say is that when we isolate ourselves to any justice group, we're never going to be able to expand as wide as we can. If I thought strictly black, then I would have never had went over to India. But the truth is, because I was a negro that had a whole lot of folks following me, in general, it allowed me to do have more clout within the black community too. So it's kind of like it all comes together. It's like you can't solve the puzzle when you're only messing around with part of the pieces. You need all the pieces. So those are the three comments I would get. But everything that you unpack is huge, and you definitely expanded my mind, because you're making me think about something I never considered before, because repetition builds belief, and in my mind always been, Oh, you gotta support the black person because so few of us, and it's so much stacked against us that really, man, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say racism doesn't exist. Uh, please stop you. We all know we all equal at that particular point in time to every black person in America, and that ain't in a good way period. But in terms of opportunity, we have seen countries like India. We you and I have both been in countries like Egypt, where it doesn't. Matter how talented you are, you just can't make it. Regardless, you just can't make it. Here you can make it. It may not be fair. You may have to go through more crap, but there is a way, because we seen other people do it, and where one has done it, somebody else can't, too. Crabs

1:05:16  
in the barrel pisses me off, because I feel like it is a oversimplification of a very complex problem. And so anytime something is oversimplified is probably wrong and probably not because of

1:05:28  
black. They be hating on anybody. White, green, Puerto Rican, blue, Martian. They just hate some people. Just haters. I want to have all the gold, and I want you to have nothing. Well, I just I gotta have one more piece than you, and

1:05:42  
yeah, that comes in all forms. And I definitely believe that community can come in any form, right? It definitely doesn't need to be limited to black and brown people. The reason black and brown people have a soft spot in my heart is number one, because I'm one of them. But I also understand where we come from, meaning that a lot of us don't have the connects. That's where the good jobs come from. You know, we don't have the resources. We don't know anybody. We don't have a uncle that we can call that used to work at this law firm or something like that. So, you know, this is my little attempt to make that community. That's why we here, and that's what we doing.

1:06:21  
We do I want to contribute to one tangible, tactical thing an entrepreneur can do to make more money, and that is, make more friends. The money that I have made, the money that I have made, has not been because I'm fantastic cold caller. And don't get me wrong, I wrote a best selling book on prospecting. The money that I have made is because I made friends. I made friends younger. I made friends earlier. Those friends continued on in the corporate world, they had success, and when a brother started his own company, they hired my black butt. So friends? How many of us have them friends?

1:07:04  
I was right here with it. Gotta

1:07:07  
get some friends. Want some more money? Get more friends. That's the that's the key period.

1:07:12  
Well, that's a good place to end it. Will. Where can people find you? On socials, friend, okay,

1:07:18  
anytime you search willpower Harris, on Instagram, on Facebook, on LinkedIn, you're gonna find me. That's the best way to find willpower Harris. You know willpower harris.com,

1:07:31  
well friends in our community, I so much appreciate you for listening. This has been a wonderful episode. Thank

1:07:37  
you so much. Will Yay. Thank you.

1:07:39  
I love you when I mean it peace. Wasn't that a great interview? Hold up before you grab your hat and head out, make sure you make your way to facebook and join the bail yourself out pod Facebook group. That's where you'll find your virtual coworkers luxuriating and chatting. Thank you so much for listening, and if you enjoy the show, please leave a review. That's how we keep the lights on. If you're on social media, follow your girl, Kandice with the K Whitaker. And you know what I'd love to hear from you with that I love you, and I mean it, because there are people who hate in the world for no reason. I choose to love for no reason. I believe if the great Martin Luther King Jr said, hate is too great a burden to bear, so I choose to love peace. Y'all you.

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