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SLAP the Power
SLAP the Power - a dynamic new show from SLAP the Network that aims to weave artistry into advocacy through the raw power of music, comedy, movies, visual arts, and beyond.
Hosted by world touring musicians Rick Barrio Dill (@rickbarriodill @vintagetrouble) and Aja Nikiya (@compassioncurator), join them as team with musicians, comedians, actors and artists of all angles and try to chop up some of todays most troubling topics, but with a fat side of chocolate cake and incredible silliness.
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Elephants, Air Travel Blues, and the Fight Against Whaling
Ever wondered about the profound connection between humans and animals? Steven Koyle, a passionate zoologist and elephant advocate, shares his remarkable 23-year journey working with elephants. From his early days at the Phoenix Zoo to navigating the complex cultural landscapes of India, Steven's heartfelt stories reveal the unique spiritual bond he forms with these majestic creatures. His insights challenge us to rethink our relationship with wildlife and inspire us to foster compassion for these gentle giants.
Animal rescue and activism take center stage as we recount an emotional adoption event, spotlighting the dramatic rescue of a dog named Ted from the brink of euthanasia. We also delve into the fiery world of anti-whaling activism, discussing Paul Watson's release from Sea Shepherd and his relentless fight against Japanese whalers. Our discussions shed light on the need for ethical tourism, urging travelers to choose non-invasive wildlife experiences and drawing hope from successful transformations like animal-free circuses.
Musicians know the struggle of airborne travel woes all too well, especially when it involves precious instruments. We share the frustrating tales of navigating unfriendly airline policies, highlighted by the story of British cellist Sheku Kenne Mason. Meanwhile, our Gen Z correspondent, Asher Freidberg, adds a refreshing perspective with insights on the pop culture phenomenon "Stranger Things." Join us for an episode brimming with inspiration, advocacy, and a touch of humor, as we journey through the fascinating intersection of animal welfare, travel, and activism.
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SLAP the Power is written and produced by Rick Barrio Dill (@rickbarriodill) and Aja Nikiya (@compassioncurator). Associate Producer Bri Coorey (@bri_beats). Audio and Video engineering and studio facilities provided by SLAP Studios LA (@SLAPStudiosLA) with distribution through our collective home for progress in art and media, SLAP the Network (@SLAPtheNetwork).
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There's so many. Every country is different. You can't say it's this or that, but for me, the biggest challenge is simply getting access to the elephants, because my only intention is to help the elephant. It's not my fight to say, remove the elephant from the temple in Sri Lanka or India. It's a whole other, because that's me criticizing religion now. Now we've got a whole other obstacle to deal sure. It has nothing to do with that.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's going to a camp somewhere in Thailand, or going to a camp in India, or going to a camp in Vietnam, and just wanting to help.
Speaker 4:What we call slap. Today, the world may not need another podcast, but it can definitely use a slap. Welcome to Slap to Power, the show that lifts artists who use their powers for positive progress. I am Rick Barrio-Dill and I'm Asia.
Speaker 5:Nakia On the show today. We touch base on Paws for Progress with our recent adoption event and newest rescue, Ted, who was spared just seven minutes before his euthanasia date yes, Seven minutes. And then we're also going to talk about our heroic anti-whaling activist, Paul Watson, who was just released from jail in Greenland.
Speaker 4:That's right and you know, of course we have to talk about Steve Bannon, as he of course floats day Donald Trump running for president in 2028.
Speaker 5:Of course, and can New York City's traffic cameras also be used for personal selfie studios?
Speaker 4:Yeah, this story is incredible and our amazing, amazing interview is with zoologist and friend to the elephant, Stephen Coyle, discussing his life-saving work with the Elephant Care Unchained Foundation around the globe.
Speaker 5:Yes, and then we're going to talk about musicians buying seats for cellos on planes. I mean, have you ever had to buy a seat for an instrument? I got a couple of stories about instruments on a plane when we get to that. I want to hear some more about that.
Speaker 4:That's right. And last but not least, our resident Gen Zer Asher is here again for another segment of Make this Ish Make Sense.
Speaker 5:But first we are going to talk about Paws for Progress. We had a very nice adoption event this past week. Great turnout. We didn't have any adoptions, which we don't usually expect like a full-on adoption from an adoption event, even though that would sound like that's what it's for right but we got a lot of interest and our sweet little addy, our little girl with the cherry eyes, she just got a new, foster, um. So you know, overall super success. You know, getting our names out there, getting the doggies out there, yeah so, yeah, it was good.
Speaker 5:And then we did take on a new rescue this week.
Speaker 4:His name is ted and great name for a dog, let's be honest, I I love names like that same for dogs, same yeah so so little.
Speaker 5:Ted was facing his final hour and I actually got contacted at 3 17 and his euthanasia date and time was 3 30 pm and I was like on the fence, I mean I I was emailing, we were calling, we were really trying Last minute foster came in, everyone was pledging for this dog to be rescued and then we weren't hearing back and it was like 3.23.
Speaker 5:We're like down to the wire looking every minute, minute by minute. Finally they responded like 3.27. Then they were like, oh, can you be here by 3.30 to pick him up? And we're like, no, no, please extend this. But we did save the dog's life by three minutes.
Speaker 5:So, oh, my God, yeah we were just going a little bit of back and forth at the shelters. But you know I mean. His life is just so different now. You know I'm seeing his photo in, you know, his kennel to now, like we have this really cute photo which we'll post, with his little reindeer ears and he's just enjoying his life and it's like, within seven minutes, such a different story for this kid, you know.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 5:Ted, yeah, all right, did you hear about Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd's like biggest notorious whale activist? He just got out of jail. Wait, wait, what this? Okay, so I have known about Sea Shepherd since I don't know. I was like five years old. I've always been obsessed with them. They are like combating whale killings, like all over the world. They work especially in Japan and Antarctica and they're an anti-whaling nonprofit organization doing absolutely amazing work. I have had the honor and privilege of actually doing some work with them in the past.
Speaker 5:We did a whole stint in Bahamas for Hurricane Dorian, where we brought back on the Sea Shepherd vessel this huge, massive research vessel that they have we brought back dogs and cats from the Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian on the Sea Shepherd vessel, this huge, massive research vessel that they have, we brought back dogs and cats from the Bahamas after Hurricane Dorian and it was like the coolest experience ever, like everybody. You know all the what do you call people that work on the crew.
Speaker 4:On the boats.
Speaker 5:Yeah, but yeah, I mean. So he was actually arrested on some old charges back from 2012 by the Japanese government for causing injury to one of their workers and damage to one of their boats.
Speaker 4:So not for whaling.
Speaker 5:Not for whaling, no, but he's fighting against the whalers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, sure, so.
Speaker 5:Sea Shepherd is out there in the middle of the, literally trying to track down boats and end whaling.
Speaker 4:I should say that again, not for his vigilante work as an anti-whaler.
Speaker 5:Well, yes, but Japan is mad because he's interrupting their whaling. So they find him guilty for something else, so they find him guilty and he was in jail for five months, which was just crazy. We couldn't believe it. And then he was supposed to be extradited to japan for a 15-year sentence. So this was like big news in the animal rescue community. We were all like freaking out. We all are huge fans of paul yeah very like amazing, amazing human being, um.
Speaker 5:But yeah, so he got released, which has been like such great news, and now the anti-whaling continues.
Speaker 4:Look at that, yeah two stories off the top that are good. Nice, positive palate cleansers come on. That's great, that's really great. Well, uh, I'm gonna end that right now. I'm gonna stop the good news.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, all right, let me take a sip.
Speaker 4:I'm ready, I'm ready the 22nd amendment of our Constitution clearly states that no person shall be elected to office of the president more than twice. Now who here, in a show of hands, who here, thinks that the president-elect is going to obey that four years from now?
Speaker 5:The room is silent, everyone there are no hands in the air for those of us who are just listening everyone there are no hands in the air.
Speaker 4:For those of us who are just listening, the funny thing is is like I was like, oh, how long is it going to take, once he gets elected, for they start floating it and softening the ground so that the people start having this discussion and stuff like that? And it's, he's not even in an office yet, and, of course, of course is goon steve bannon uh, put out the suggestion, of course, and it came from him. And then, uh, you know, they're gonna test the feasibility and legality of such a move. While some view this as a strategic play to keep trump's political influence alive, others see it as a direct challenge to constitutional norms. So, yeah, you don't think? Yeah, uh, but as the whole landscape kind of continues to evolve, this definitely adds an interesting thing, because he's just going to push on this open door. And how are we going to react to it? We're going to have to see. But it didn't take long, no, and it's in the it's in the it's in the sphere of discussion.
Speaker 5:So where does the line get drawn? Like I'm waiting to see where the where the line is? There's no line, it's an. The line is no, no, no, there's no line, it's gone. It's gone, it's an imaginary line. Now, what are amendments and laws?
Speaker 4:There was a line and he was in the union, okay, there was a line and he was in a union worker, okay, and he got let go. And so now he's at home on that sweet, sweet gummit cheese, right. And meanwhile somebody's about to be plowing over with no lines, no lines out there for for itself. It's gonna be good times, it's gonna be fun times coming up.
Speaker 5:Yeah, well, you know, in in, you know, for the sheer sake of chaos, yeah, um, we'll go into talking about this artist, maury coleman, who did a traffic cam photo booth project which gave surveillance a very cheeky twist. So this is this is a really interesting story. I I want to hear your take on this all right, lay it on me.
Speaker 4:I yeah, I saw it in the in the breakdown and I was like I yeah, no, I have thoughts.
Speaker 5:I mean, it's just one of those things we're in like I just go straight to like this selfie world that we're in, and then I also go into ai, and then I also go into like surveillance rights and and the combination of all of those things and how this artist is using the traffic the traffic booth as a source for his art and then he got sent.
Speaker 4:So, for those who don't know, he's an artist in in New York, right? Yep, yeah, and he basically has been using the street cam as as kind of hey, let me have fun with this on the, on the selfie cam, and the city was like yeah, nah, and they sent him a, they sent him a cease and desist order, which he wasn't really hurting anything but New York, you know, whatever. Uh, and so what he did is he took the cease and desist letter and put it on a 15foot pole and held it in front of the traffic cam which I got to give him props.
Speaker 5:It's bold, it's bold.
Speaker 4:Respect.
Speaker 5:And then, I think, his art made it into a Miami art show. He brought the art to Miami for an art show or something, because—.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I think he was collecting images on what he was doing on the selfie show before they gave him the cease and desist letter yeah, yeah yeah, so he was turning it into art and that's really cool. It is. I like it. Let's see what he's going to do. If he's just going to, let's see where this standoff goes. I'm curious you heard it here first and we're going to keep you posted.
Speaker 5:This is literally like for me. This is when people ask like, what is the definition of modern art? Hey, this would be yes, yes, this is the definition of modern art. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4:We'll see what happens. All right, I am so excited. Coming up after the break, we're going to have our interview here in studio with the Elephant Care Unchained Stephen Coyle.
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Speaker 4:Joining us in studio today. We are honored to have Steve Coyle from the Elephant Care Unchained. They're dedicated to eliminating cruelty and improving elephant welfare in their native countries. Welcome to Slap the Power, steve. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 4:It's funny because you we were right before we started recording. You said I'll talk about elephants forever, and you know what's great is? They're magical in a way that I feel warrants that kind of a comment, and we have a lot of friends that have hipped me to just the tip of the iceberg on how dope elephants are. So, in addition to your work helping the elephants, please set up what set your love for elephants into motion.
Speaker 1:Well, I spent right now it would be 23 years working for elephants. That's what I say. I got my career with elephants at the Phoenix Zoo in Arizona, arizona um, never really wanted to work in a zoo, but I knew I wanted to work with animals and so, and doing you know I still I was living here in california training dogs for two years prior to taking a job in phoenix. Um, anyway, um, I've always said that elephants are incredibly soulful, you know, and either you are an elephant person or you're not an elephant person. In my experience, when talking to zookeepers, you know something oh, I'm so scared of elephants because they're so big and scary, you know, and they do hurt people, they do kill people, right, so they are. But when you spend time with them and you see them and they know exactly what's going on, but they look nothing like us, you know, but, but they look nothing like us. But they're incredibly sophisticated, incredibly intelligent, just the greatest thing on the planet.
Speaker 4:And so over these past 23 years, I've dedicated my life trying to do everything I can to help them in any way that I can. How did you get into more specifically eliminating cruelty and and specifically, welfare, because it's one thing to be on the zoo side, I would imagine right where that's maintenance and yeah yep, what is? What? What sort of drew you to this incredible work?
Speaker 1:um, well, I was at the zoo for 14 and a half years total, but after 10 years, and every time I would, I would take a vacation like I've been to the la zoo, I've been to all the zoos all around because it's just getting research and gaining knowledge and trying to improve, uh, the the lives of the elephants that I cared for at the zoo. Sure, um, and so eventually I actually borrowed money from my retirement at the zoo, because, you know, the zoo pays a lot of money. Yeah, so I I couldn't go to india, but I wanted to go to india, and so I met some, some people who had a place in india. So I borrowed money out of my retirement fund, okay, and spent a month in india and then was in awe in a bad way, okay, uh, because we have these fantasies about, oh, these elephants are, they love, their love, they're cared for. It's amazing. And then you go there and you're like what, what fucking planet am I on? This is crazy.
Speaker 1:So I spent time with this organization and I showed them things with the elephants. I said, okay, let's not hit them, let's get some food, let's be compassionate. How do we teach compassion? We'll get into that in a minute. But that's the million dollar question. Yeah, compassion. And a million dollar question, yeah, compassion. And so, and the elephants? The elephants are amazing. They always come through for you. Yeah, give them a pile of dirt, they'll lay in the dirt, they'll dust. They do what they do, you know, like any animals, you give them the proper environment to be healthy and flourish. We step back and enjoy that. Yeah, and so that was the whole. That's what changed my whole mindset. I always felt bad for the elephants at the zoo, but then you go to see the the opposite end of the spectrum, like, wow, well, the zoo is kind of like disneyland, yeah, you know, compared to these elephants on four leg chains, bleeding, getting hit every day and all these other things that I witnessed and can continue to witness, unfortunately their consciousness.
Speaker 4:You know, I'm sure that's and just I. I grew up in tampa and so we. We had bush gardens. It was kind of like right when I went to school there and they would have elephants and that was really my only experience would be in the little thing kind of next to them, but there's, unlike any other sort of animal and I think even humans almost Like there's something when you look an elephant in the eye that just does not.
Speaker 1:If humans were better beings, they'd be elephants.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I concur, I mean were better beings, yeah, they'd be elephants. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, yeah, I can, I mean honest to god.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah they're too good of a species and we frankly don't deserve them, and we sure as hell don't uh deserve to be treating them the way we do no, they're, they're almost like your, like spiritual, like grandmother, like there's this, like very this aura about them where I just want to like bow my head and just sit, like I mean literally my favorite thing to do.
Speaker 5:I mean I can watch many different species all day, but there's something about like sitting at the watering hole like I can you, you literally have to like pull me away from watching elephants. I can sit there all day long and watch elephants. They're one of my favorite species, they're one of my favorite soul animals. There's just, yeah, there's something about them, and for me to even picture someone being able to cause harm towards this soulful, spiritual, grandmother, indigenous-type vibe animal that just brings so much respect, I mean they literally are foresting the planet all day. I mean they have such an important role, they're a keystone species and you know for dummies like me, what's a keystone species?
Speaker 1:yeah, tell us, steve. They basically support the ecosystem that they're in, so like even everything from their poop. Dung beetles roll up, they disperse seeds. Elephants only absorb about 40% of the food they eat, so when they go to the bathroom, those the rest of it is used by everybody else, exactly, and they only eat the best of the plants.
Speaker 5:So you know you're getting just constant like reforestation activity with elephants Uprooting trees.
Speaker 1:Other animals get to trees, they uproot, they do different things. Yeah, it's like the sharks of the ocean you know we need sharks.
Speaker 5:Sharks are a huge indicator species of biodiversity and of health of the ocean. So we, in like biology and zoology, you know, we use these key indicator species to sort of assess the health of an environment.
Speaker 4:And so you from India take me. So that, was that really the impetus.
Speaker 1:Well, like so I was all you know. I always had a loud mouth and I always was outspoken at the zoo. That's why we like each other. On behalf of the elephants. It wasn't like the zoo is terrible, fuck the zoo. Yeah yeah was like we can do more, let's be better. We need to be better. Let's you know that's. I'm spending time in in different zoos in southeast asia right now doing doing the same, having the same talks like, yeah, this is unacceptable yeah this is not what an elephant is yeah you know, can we at least chain them?
Speaker 1:instead of four chains, can we just chain them on one chain in a tree to a tree over there, instead of this concrete box that they're in? Yeah yeah right um, and so what was? I didn't know oh, india oh so india?
Speaker 1:I was like, wow, this is crazy. So then I went back to the zoo and you know we were talking about expanding the facility and it was always like some little nickel and dime. It wasn't, it was. I said, why can't we do this, why don't we do this? Why don't we have the orangutans climb across, you know, you know, across above the elephants, and why don't you? Why we're better than this, why can't we just do these things? So you know, I fight, fight, fight, and I continued to go to India like once a year, and then I went like every six months for a couple of times, and then the zoo fired me, not because I went to India, but because of my outspokenness, if I you know, I'm okay with it, because my intention was never to hurt the zoo or sabotage the zoo.
Speaker 1:It was to fight for the elephants and that was the decision that the zoo made, which is where elephant care, unchained, comes from. Uh, I'm unchained to help the elephants, yeah, right. So, yes, it's unchained elephants, but in southeast asia that's not always, uh, an option, because you have to build these things for these animals. It's just different ways to do things. And so, being free from the zoo now, because I knew I would never leave the elephants at the zoo, because you know, I love them to death. Only one is still alive. And they inspired me and I was never going to leave.
Speaker 1:I remember, you know, raking the poop up in the yard every morning. Oh, you know, those elephants in India, god it's terrible. And these other places it's so bad, I don't know. I mean, you guys are good here, you guys are doing good with the elephants, I don't know. And one of my coworkers, my good friend, she, says well, could you ever leave them? Talking about the elephants, and I says no. So the zoo made the decision for me, which allowed me now to be in eight different countries, to continue to have conversations as my phone is blowing up now. Talk to Indonesia or Vietnam or things I would never have done.
Speaker 4:So now I have a huge opportunity because of those elephants at the zoo and, I would imagine, because of your sort of pedigree at that point. That's why the other zoos and the other sort of sanctuaries and places around the world probably. How did you get such a network so fast?
Speaker 1:Well, I think integrity is number one and I think work is number two. Well, work is probably one and then integrity is second. My work kind of speaks for itself. You know I have a good resume, if you will. So when I go to places they have no idea who I am, what I'm talking about, think I'm full of shit. What does Whitey from the West know about elephants? They don't even have elephants. What is he a zookeeper? They don't even have elephants in their country.
Speaker 4:We've got to work on that branding the Whitey from the whitey from the west.
Speaker 1:It's just, you know, workshop that a little bit but this is what this is as I speak, but this is, but this is what they feel right and so I'm like, okay, well, that's okay, I get it. I don't. And if you get, ever knows, I never publicly criticize on social media, I never say blah, blah, blah, because you have to work with these cultures, you know sure and so you have to convince them that number one, you know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:So I walk around with my little tablet and I'll say how about this, how about this, how about this? And they don't really even still get it at that point. And so you constantly have to try to fight and I have people in different countries that will contact me and say let's go here, let's go here. You hey, let's go here, let's go here. Unfortunately, the government is involved in a lot of these countries and a lot of these places. Our government, or you mean the?
Speaker 4:local governments, the local governments, the country, yeah.
Speaker 1:The native governments.
Speaker 4:What's your biggest challenge right now? Country-wise.
Speaker 1:There's so many. Every country is different. You can't say it's this or that. But for me, the biggest challenge is simply getting access to the elephants, because my, my only intention is to help the elephant. It's not my fight to say, remove the elephant from the temple in Sri Lanka or India, it's a. It's a whole nother, because that's me criticizing religion now. Now we've got a whole nother obstacle to come across.
Speaker 1:Has nothing. It's going to a camp somewhere In Thailand, or going to a camp in India, or going to a camp in Vietnam and just wanting to help. But they always think there's some sort of angle. I don't ask them for money. That's why I have to get donations, because if I ask them for money, this guy's just trying to.
Speaker 4:You're never going to get money. You really are whitey from the west.
Speaker 1:I've actually been to places and spent my own money to Buy enrichment things and things like these and you know, buy things to help the elephants and then would talk about it on social media and then they would say this guy's using our elephants to make money, even though I paid the money to do it and you're just like what. You know so many stories. Yeah, when you're coming.
Speaker 1:We can pick a country. We can go into any rabbit hole we would like, but there's just so much to do For me. I just want to help.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I just want to help, I mean. Something that I think of, too is we just had legislation passed in Ojai, california, where elephants are now given personhood. Shout out to Ojai yeah, ojai is is so next level and it's funny cause I got to go visit there and there is such a next level vibe about it that I love. But on the legislation part, I mean, what is your, you know, involvement or take on assisting on the government side of changing the laws in these countries?
Speaker 1:Well, I put my whatever I'm allowed to do. I do like I'm literally having conversations with india and indonesia. Uh, indonesia is kind of hot right now but, um, as far as I'm going to contact the government of the forest departments and, uh, I'm going to send them a letter from my observations of a place and say this is unacceptable. You're better than this. I would like to help you make their elephants' lives better without publicly shaming them. Right, because that's a huge thing In India. Me and my Indian brother, we took our whole road trip around this entire state. I don't want to be too specific, but and we saw all the elephants- in that entire state and of the state inside India.
Speaker 4:Inside India, yes, inside India, a particular state going, going into temples trying to find elephants.
Speaker 1:You know not, there's elephants over there.
Speaker 1:It's not there waiting days trying to find you know they're all moved secretly illegally, but waiting days trying to find. You know they're all moved secretly illegally but nobody follows up, nobody knows. And so what we did? We went there, you know, with donated money. We took these road trips, we drove all around in his personal vehicle, we drove and submitted a 10-page report about all the elephants and our recommendations of what should happen with all these elephants that are in these temples and these different places, which is looking like Indonesia is going to be the same thing. So I did my part. And another funny thing is that we say you know white of way, in a sense.
Speaker 5:I mean, but there are some advantages.
Speaker 1:If I'm sitting in an office in another country, I'm going to get a little bit more attention. I'm not by myself granted, but there's going to be some more attention as to why is this guy here, as opposed to. They might just step over my buddy who spent hours, days both of my guys in Indonesia, same thing.
Speaker 5:A friend of mine made a point to me one day and it really hit me one day and it really like it really hit me. Um, he said he's, he's a Nigerian man and um, we've worked together on some poverty issues and and throughout Africa. And he said to me he's like Asia, he's like you're just white enough for Africa, but you're not black enough for America, no for America Right.
Speaker 3:And it was like oh, and it like hit me to my core and he's so right because I am able to move around Africa as a continent we all.
Speaker 5:Just, I always hate when I say Africa because I want everyone to know that it is a continent with many countries in it, but I work in too many countries to reference all of them in one sentence.
Speaker 1:So Africa is what I'm saying.
Speaker 5:But you know, it does give you this edge, I mean, people will listen.
Speaker 3:It gives you a second look.
Speaker 5:It gives you a second look. I've been able to get in the room. I've been able to get in conversations that a lot of my team, my, you know, my sisters and brothers in Africa are not able to do. But then you come here and you try to talk about, you know, racism issues and things, and then you're not enough to be in the room you know, and it was just so.
Speaker 5:it was so interesting, but it's also why I'm literally busting my butt to get a PhD, because you know as much as I know, when you have a doctorate and you're moving around in developing countries, not only do you get a second look, you get a first look, and then on top of that, you get to actually make some things happen.
Speaker 1:So, I'm doing my best so that I can travel around with this doctor's title when you go there, do you say no, let me show you what is possible and you have all of your experience, so that they're like okay. As opposed to you say no, let me show you what is possible and you have all of your experience, yes, so that they're like okay, that is, as opposed to just waving your finger at them, right. Right, I don't have a veterinary degree, but I teach a lot of vets foot care.
Speaker 5:Same.
Speaker 1:I teach a lot of vets how to take care of elephants' feet. It started at the zoo. We had an elephant there who had a kind of grew inward so she developed abscesses on her feet because they didn't move normally naturally, so they had abnormal pressure. So when I say elephant foot abscess, to simplify the term for everybody listening, it's basically a bruise that forms inside the foot from abnormal pressure and so that pressure builds up over time and then ruptures and when that ruptures and we're talking 20, 30 years of this being chained on concrete.
Speaker 4:So it's kind of like if you go like this to your nail yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, if you keep doing this to your nail, well what happens? Well, that's going to bruise, right, and then the nail is going to fall off, then it's going to go into your bone and then you've got all kinds of issues, right? Yeah, osteomyelitis is what we call it with elephants. So the idea is, what you want to do? Is you kind of want to do something like that? So it's still vascular, so you take the pressure off the nails. It's a whole thing behind it yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But basically elephants that are kept in terrible environments over many, many, many years. You know about age 25, 20, 25, 30. Like us, the body starts to break down. So every terrible place that they've been in or continue to be in starts to show signs. So I can go and look at elephant feet and say the elephant lays down on the concrete every night, mostly on the left side, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Or yeah, those abscesses form because she's chained and she can't move so she's swaying, so constantly going like this for years, right, and it's.
Speaker 5:and it's interesting because, you know, sometimes you have to flip the the discourse of the conversation to something like you know, I was dealing with a situation in botswana with the herd dogs and they were so mistreated, so abused, so thin, not being fed, but then they were expected to go out every day and fight the lions and hyenas off. And I knew that I wasn't going to get them to care about the dogs, but if I could get them to care about keeping their pack of dogs alive, so that they can keep their cattle alive and they don't have as many kills, then you can start to have a conversation. So it's the same with that. You know, in this situation with the elephants, I feel like if you can get them to understand that you're going to to us.
Speaker 5:we don't care If you take better care of these animals' feet, then you're going to get more years out of them, which is not what we ever want. We want them free in the jungle doing what they want to do. But sometimes you have to come to this middle ground where you're like at least I can make their life better for the next 10 years, while they are a slave stuck in this captivity situation. But you have to know that and you have to be able to talk that language and lingo to the people that you're working with, because you have to understand that not everyone has the same heart, not everyone has the same intentions for these animals so what is this, this, this, if they're in captivity, what is it for?
Speaker 4:because I know for, as somebody again, kind of really really being on the outside and shout out to my friend dennis. Uh, shout out to dennis because he lives in thailand and spends a lot of time at the elephant sanctuaries there and stuff like that. He's obsessed. But the tusk issue was the thing.
Speaker 1:Right, it was like that, that's more Africans.
Speaker 4:That's Africa.
Speaker 1:That's poaching Okay.
Speaker 4:So on the slavery, but on the slavery side of things are why you would hold on.
Speaker 1:Why you would have an elephant in slavery.
Speaker 4:Yeah, quote unquote.
Speaker 1:Well, again, we pick a country we can have the arguments so. Thailand. We just mentioned Thailand. That's all tourism stuff. All those elephants used to be basically logging working elephants. Then they banned logging and people had their elephants. And now what do you do with them?
Speaker 5:So now they're painting pictures riding tricycles, getting hugs and kisses from people doing all the things. Exploitive tourism is one of the biggest issues we face in wildlife across the planet right now.
Speaker 4:Okay, fair question.
Speaker 1:I think it's amazing that there's Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4:If an elephant paints something and then they sell the paintings to help for the sanctuary as somebody who doesn't know, it looks on the surface like oh, hey, wow, this is really cool.
Speaker 1:It looks cute. Yeah, it looks cute.
Speaker 3:You're giving money that's supposed to help, but I have a nail in my hand right here, yeah I'm coaching you and telling you how to paint that picture.
Speaker 5:Okay a lot of these are forced behaviors, so what you're not when you're not seeing, because we've got so many different tourism avenues for elephants which you can talk about this. But this is like. This is my thing is this volunteerism, all of these you know exploitive ways that we, you know these countries, are bringing in money for tourism by, you know, appealing to people being able to hug and take a photo with an animal? This is something that is happening. Tigers disgusting Tigers, I mean the tigers are literally drugged and then they're sold off for canned hunting after. I mean, these are major issues, but I'm glad we're bringing this up because this is how you can help. This is how, when you are someone sitting at home in Los Angeles, in Ohio, and you're making travel plans and you're deciding to go to these countries, you can opt out of these exploitive touristic attractions.
Speaker 5:Change the demand. The shift in the demand would allow these animals to be retired, would allow them to at least be have an attempt at a sanctuary. We're not going to have a sanctuary for all of the animals, but it's a step in the right direction. But if the demand changes, we're not going to be putting new elephants into sitting on their backs for a ride, doing photos, because they're dealing with cowhooks and prods and all kinds of horrible training methods. I mean the babies, I won't even go into that.
Speaker 4:So is there a place where it is? It almost is like um, you know where the the question of dogs. We, we all love dogs and but there's there's kind of a a relationship, there's a symbiotic relationship. Right, it's like it's just dogs are unconditional love, but at the same time, we've domesticated them right. Right, they're, they're the natural part of them would be hey, let let me take off and go to Griffith Park. That's where my dog would want to go, that's correct.
Speaker 4:So is there a world, though, where there's a happy medium and this actually does function correctly, or just nowhere? Just don't do it anywhere. Don't do it at Busch Gardens, don't do it in.
Speaker 5:Thailand. Okay, I'll let you answer, but then I'm going to go on a rant answer, but then I'm going to go on a rant.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is with the elephant-wise. I've always told people two things. One put yourself in the elephant's, put yourself in the animal's place. Would you want 30 people hugging, kissing you, scrubbing you?
Speaker 4:down three or four times a day.
Speaker 1:The answer would be no, right. This is the question I pose to all these places that I visit and I say look at at this, if you were an elephant, would you want to live here? Yeah, every one of them tells me no. I said then, what are we doing? We're better than this, sure, right, we are. And so what I tell people? I said you change the demand? Yeah, so I don't tell people to boycott the elephant riding places. I say you want to go, go, but you give them 20 bucks and you say no, I just want to walk with the elephant because, those elephants need food, they need care, they need money coming in the door that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1:You're just gonna sit back right and and yes, and whittle away.
Speaker 1:The people who own the elephants are business people. Yep, they, they just want money. They don't give a shit, right, they don't give a shit about you know. Right, if the elephant can walk, okay we're gonna. We're gonna walk it till the wheels fall off. Yep, basically, and that's what. You changed the demand. Yeah, I don't think boycotting is the answer. You changed the demand, yeah, but the problem is so many other I mean there's Westerners also, but a lot of the natives still support these things. So if I go to an elephant show in another country, it's packed with natives yeah, they love it, yeah, and in another country.
Speaker 1:It's packed with natives, they love it, and I'm like what are we doing, guys? So how do you have that discussion? So that's why you make whatever this is for the elephant better or whatever this is for the animal better, and then you work on the outside influence to change the culture.
Speaker 5:And you can shift these things right, like we've seen circuses shift away from. You know they're getting the same, if not more, of an audience without the animals. We look at situations because I worked in circus law for such a long time and trying to get these elephants out of ringling we were so, you know, knee deep in it that you got to see every day. You got to see the changes. But what I loved about that as an example, is that Cirque du Soleil came about and we see how famous and you know those shows are jam-packed. We're seeing circuses transforming.
Speaker 5:No, no these are all human-based circuses. I'll give you an example. Give people a good show they're gonna go.
Speaker 4:You don't need to exploit an elephant. Part of the presentation on the Cirque du Soleil stuff that I've been to is they're professing off the back. The disclaimer is we're putting a lot of this money into trying to make the situation better, so presumably I'm not being lied to there.
Speaker 5:You are being lied to when they say we're taking money and also and can we talk about all the lies that Ringling said about putting all of the elephants into retirement at a sanctuary.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to go there, but I will go there there's all kinds of things, but to give you an example, give me some hope, just to bring it back. There's in Sri Lanka. They have this, this festival, it's called the Parahara and it's an amazing thing. It's beautiful, people are dancing, drums, fire amazing. And then they spoil it with these elephants that are lit up, walking Real life elephants spoiled and ruined this amazing experience. That's not even necessary to do it right. But how do you tell somebody that their entire family that's all they've ever known, the pair of hair has to have elephants?
Speaker 1:So, now we're going to. Robotic elephants is kind of the new trend now which is happening. So hopefully that'll grab hold and you know, because India is starting to put more and more robotic elephants out there, but they spoil these amazing things by putting these animals in.
Speaker 5:It them to be elephants could be anything. No, and, and now I mean on the zoo side, I mean looking at the capabilities of the um virtual reality.
Speaker 5:I mean you can create an entire immersive experience it's an amazing thing where you're in the jungle with the elephants, you know, getting the experience that you want, because I, I think you know this goes back to like my doctoral work. I think that you know we have this to our core. We want to be connected to nature, right? And somebody going to take a photo with an elephant, they're not thinking, oh, I want to exploit this elephant and hurt this elephant.
Speaker 1:Elephants are human magnets. They're a magnet, we crave it you know, just like our.
Speaker 5:You know circadian rhythm and being grounded and like we are supposed to be in nature. We're supposed to be connected with animals and plants and it is in our core. But what we're doing wrong is we're going about it in the wrong ways. We're going about it in a way that's exploitive, taking away from the experience of this other being right To self-serve ourselves, but there are ways around that, and I mean supporting sanctuaries is a great way to get around that. But you really have to do your research. What I would tell people is if you are traveling and you can add to this but if you're looking for a place that you can go and see elephants I had an experience.
Speaker 5:I wanted to go check out Shildrick Wildlife. They are an elephant orphanage in Kenya. They have one hour a day that people are allowed to view the elephants One hour a day. You're not going inside and taking photos with the elephants in their pen, and these animals have a free range. They don't have to come if they don't want to, but they're coming and they're doing a mud bath. It's a fun experience for the elephants. It's like their party time. They get to socialize with all the other groups of babies.
Speaker 4:Plus, their skin looks great.
Speaker 5:Yeah, they're doing their mud bath in. They're getting extra snacks, all the bottles. They've created a positive experience for the elephants, but then they go off and do their thing. If you find a sanctuary where all day long you can find a time slot, from like 7 am to 5 pm, there is a time slot for you to takea photo opportunity to, to go pet an elephant, to go stand with an elephant, give them a bath it's probably not the sanctuary that you want to be going to. You want sanctuaries that have minimal human interaction time, because then that to me says, oh they're, they're taking into account that these animals aren't exploited all day, but yes, 100.
Speaker 1:The only issue is that people don't care. People want their experience. You know, I've given talks to people and they still go to Thailand and ride an elephant.
Speaker 5:I have gotten into arguments, so I failed.
Speaker 1:I failed in not emphasizing those things enough. It's not. People love elephants and we can't help. People love dogs. You know, like people, they love dogs, but they still chain them up and they keep them in a shitty place. People love elephants. We have to be better about having them look at it a different way.
Speaker 5:It is. It's really changing the perspective. They want their experience. That's the hard part. They love them.
Speaker 1:They don't mean anything bad by going and hugging and kissing. I want to just give my love to the elephant Meanwhile, it's all chained up.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You get your or it's not. Chained up, you hug and kiss it and it goes back in and it goes around a corner and it's on a chain this long for the next 18 hours a day. They don't know that it's not their fault, so it's my. In a sense, it's people who are out there.
Speaker 5:It's us that know.
Speaker 1:We have to educate more People want their experience. We have to step back for a minute and think about the animals that we want our experience with.
Speaker 4:Yes, that's a great point. That's a great way Before we let you go, that's a great way to think about it. What is your, what's next for you? How can people help and?
Speaker 1:yeah, I am a official 501c3 nonprofit charity. So if people want to help the cause, help elephants all over the world. This is a never-ending. You know, we're helping today for those elephants fighting for their tomorrows. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:And so.
Speaker 1:Elephantcareunchainedcom. Yes, you guys can donate. Check out my YouTube channel. There's a lot of information there. Really, just spread the word and step back. If you're out and about with any animal anywhere in this world, you step back and think about those animals.
Speaker 4:I think that would be a way to look at it, tell me about it, and if anybody wants to get a hold of you directly, what's the easiest way?
Speaker 1:Email. You can go to my website elephantcareunchainedcom. Everything elephantcareunchained is me, so if there's a message on Instagram, Facebook, anywhere, I'll respond.
Speaker 4:And lastly, this could be actually this is great. We'd love to keep checking up with you and everything. If you have specific projects that you're working on and everything, would you see us post I?
Speaker 1:well, aja is on my uh private email list, but there's actually.
Speaker 5:I'm very up to date.
Speaker 1:There's actually a little buy-in to that one, because I share a lot of intimate, behind the scenes not so nice videos of the journey, um. So if people want to be a part of that, then you might have to have a buy-in, just because I have to have a safe forum in order to share these things, because if the things that I share go public then it's kind of curtains for the work that we do, because you don't want any bad perception of what is actually going on, because if I say something bad, they'll say we don't want you here anymore.
Speaker 4:Can you do what we do here, which is, we don't talk about it until we've done it?
Speaker 1:Can you hit us up and be like hey, yo, I just did this, If you wish like I said, Aja's on the list and so if she sees something, she'll be like this is amazing. Can I talk about it? I'm always on that line, I'm like what's going on today. You know it never ends, so there's always a new challenge, there's always another elephant suffering, unfortunately, and until those stop, I won't.
Speaker 4:Hey, I will leave it at that. Thank you so much, Steve Coyle. All the work you do Pleasure.
Speaker 5:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much Pleasure.
Speaker 2:Join me Sasha Peters, on Women in the New Season 2, where we bear it all except for our bodies. Leave that to your imagination. My wish for women is that we strip away the fear of judgment and really embrace the full spectrum of who we are. I don't know if you were coming to terms with being pregnant on the show. Yeah, I think she was a little depressed. Let's live boldly and openly and change the narratives that define us. I called my doctor. I'm like I want to drive my car.
Speaker 5:Wow, yeah, wow, wow, yeah. I mean I have known Stephen for quite some time through social media and we have not gotten to meet in person, but yet I feel like we've been such good friends for all these years because of the work that he does. I mean it's just fascinating, it's soul work.
Speaker 4:He's got a vibe? Yeah, he's got a vibe, and having the vibe next to us, yeah and I just love the focus on the animal's feet.
Speaker 5:It's just so important and you don't really think about that when you think of elephant care.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:It was just an amazing interview. I mean props to all the amazing work he's doing. I mean we have his links and everything if anybody wants to help.
Speaker 4:But wow, amen, blow it away. Yeah, he's incredible.
Speaker 5:So now I want to know from a musician standpoint have you ever had to purchase an instrument to get on a plane? A seat for an instrument to get on a plane. Yes. Okay, yeah, and what does that look like?
Speaker 4:It's frustrating. I bet. Yeah and we stopped doing that after a while. It's frustrating, I bet, and we stopped doing that after a while. On one level it's like you know, nolly, and we all kind of hold on to certain instruments. We have a relationship with them.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And at the same time it just became such a pain in the ass and it became sort of pot luck. It was up to who was at the gate. And that's what's so cool about this story is because even our instruments I mean, it's tough if you have a $50,000, les Paul or something like that, I understand like Nolly brings it with him, brings it in a hard case, but then it takes up a good part of the thing. So if you show up late, sometimes they'll make you check it at the gate and so then you have to be there early and everything like that. And what's so interesting about this story? It brought me back Because this is a $3.5 million, 300-year-old cello and they bought a seat for it and they still weren't allowed, uh, on the plane, and it just feels like how much harder you're gonna make it for us, you know.
Speaker 5:And the airlines like no one is sitting in that seat like they already bought the seat. So what, like? What is the dilemma? Air canada, like I need to know and and I feel, like you know, like I deal with this stuff on the dog front, all the time yeah. Like always, somebody has a problem with something at the gate or you know something with our cargo flights. But this was just interesting because I'm like wow, even instruments can't get a break on a flight.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's crazy. Hopefully I'm not killing this name, but he's a famed British cellist, sheku Kenne Mason, and he had to cancel a sold-out show in Toronto. Yeah, that's horrible, and this is on Air Canada, right, and because he bought a seat for this incredible instrument and yet still couldn't get it on, and apparently you know it's still, even when they asked him afterwards. You know, to comment on this. Like he was saying, this is a common problem. Even when you buy a seat we bought stuff we we had now a lot of times in japan what they'll do is they'll make you buy a seat for, like inner you. We won't have to buy it if you're going intercontinental, because we'll check it at a certain point.
Speaker 4:We do the instruments check and then you're crossing your fingers, hoping it shows up because sometimes it doesn't show up, but, um, more importantly, when you're doing inner flying in within japan, so like if we're going from tokyo to osaka and having to fly, or something like that, instead of taking the train, uh, they make us buy, you know, seats for the instruments and stuff like that. So, but even when you buy a seat, you should be able to have it. Like if people buy seats for their dog, they should be able to have it. Like if people buy seats for their dog, they should be able to have it. Speaking of which, I saw a guy with a pit bully on the bus this morning.
Speaker 4:And I was like I did think. I was like I don't care, I hope he didn't buy a seat for him. But because the both of them were sitting there on the bus, I was like. I was like that's cool, did he? I digress, I digress. But you know, if you've got really, really expensive instruments, it is. That's the nerve wracking thing of touring. It's just like you're constantly in a state of I don't know.
Speaker 4:Is this going to make it, or you know, or is it going to? Are they going to? Let me have it on the plane.
Speaker 5:And not everybody can be flying around on private jets even though that would be nice. Commercial airlines need to figure figure out a way to, especially if you're going to pay a whole seat. Yeah, yeah, just to stick something there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a lot of times where we got on and they would count it as one of our carry-ons. So shout out to when American was cool with us for a while. There was a lot of airlines, there was a rule, but I think they've softened that up over the last couple of years because it's just gotten so bad you know, air travel with everything, from just everything yeah, no, I mean so, yeah, facts, but okay, and as promised, and back by popular demand, we bring another segment of make this ish make sense with our resident Gen Z expert, asher Freidberg.
Speaker 4:Make this ish make sense, asher. If we just say Stranger Things, stranger Things, stranger Things three times and click our heels, asher will show up. So are you ready?
Speaker 5:I'm ready.
Speaker 4:Okay, let's do it Ready.
Speaker 5:Stranger Things.
Speaker 4:Stranger.
Speaker 6:Things, Stranger Things.
Speaker 5:Oh.
Speaker 6:Oh, I was about to. I was a blockbuster, I don't have to pay now, just sit down you were at the checkout. Yeah, I was at the register about to go meet my guy.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay nice, nice, it's free now for those that don't know, that's code for drug deal. It's okay, though.
Speaker 5:It's okay, it's okay we never know what this gets into, okay, so Well done All right, okay, so I love this story, I love Muppets, I love everything about psychotherapy.
Speaker 4:Tell me.
Speaker 6:So there's this new trend going on on TikTok. So I don't know if you guys are familiar. Obviously you're familiar with the Muppets, but there was Pepe the King Prawn. Growing up he was my favorite Muppet.
Speaker 4:He was a funny guy. Loved him.
Speaker 6:So yes, pepe the King Prawn is a character in the Muppets. And there's this new meme going around. It's not even much of a meme, but more of a means of coping. I'm not going to say this is a Gen Z thing. I think all generations in the past I would say even 100, 200 years have had ways of coping through humor.
Speaker 6:You know, it's an easy way to say the things that are on our mind sure just jokingly enough so we don't have to set off alarms or, you know, make a whole moment really dark and sad you know, sure. So the new thing people are doing is there's this picture of pepe the frog, pepe the prawn. There's this new picture of pepe the prawn going around and I'm going to show on the screen, and people are just dumping their all their trauma, all of their worst stories on it and what, what makes it just a little bit funnier is.
Speaker 6:it's playing the Like a Prayer choir version from Deadpool and Wolverine, so it's got such a dramatic Madonna song playing in the background, chef's kiss While you hear these mortifying stories, so I'm going to share one with you right now.
Speaker 6:So I'm going to do an abbreviated one because these are long. Okay, all right. So this is the story of. So when it was their first, it was five minutes in their first lecture and they were going up on the stage to essentially introduce themselves and do two truths and a lie. So they know we're all very familiar with.
Speaker 4:Sure.
Speaker 6:Only we have it better with and as they were climbing, they couldn't, essentially avoid being picked to answer a question. They were hiding. It was mandatory participation. They were zipping their bag, trying to leave. They're choosing a perfect moment to leave and the professor switches off the lights. This is their chance. Essentially, they've reached the top of the spiral staircase texting their friend about how they'd rather fail than get up and say that they're 21, have a dog, dog and their dad invented the saxophone or some bullshit. The lights are out. They're about to leave. They fall down the spiral staircase. Been there, yes. Essentially.
Speaker 6:Then the professor yells someone, help that man, he's hurt himself. So every 200 person here, they are all looking at this person falling down the spiral staircase. A crowd of people gather around them. They see he's in so much pain, how mortified and the soul leaving their body. The lights are all turned on. They want to take this person to the hospital. The person insists they're fine, they can carry them back to the car. And they actually carry them to the car and they awkwardly lay them in the backseat of their own car. And when they get home they immediately drop the class and change campuses.
Speaker 4:Okay, I have a lot. Please start, please. I got a lot.
Speaker 5:I got a lot. That was me abbreviating it. I am like sweating right now. Yeah, exactly Because this. Okay, you know what. I'm not even going to go into what I was going to say, but what I need everyone to do is just come follow me for one day of rescue?
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, if this is traumatic.
Speaker 5:I don't have enough words. I don't even understand how anyone would read all of that. I don't have the time for it. I'm not a scroller anyways, but for me to scroll through 10 carousels to talk about a story like that, where's the humor? Help me.
Speaker 4:No, it's not. And what I appreciate is that this is somebody's personal trauma that they're putting out there in a long carousel. What I can appreciate is it's not traumatic, like where is the trauma on? And I don't want to sound insensitive, I really really do not, but it's making me realize that trauma is on a spectrum. It is on such a big spectrum, it's on a spectrum Because go with you one day in Skid Row downtown.
Speaker 5:You want to see trauma every 10 seconds of your life. Exactly, I mean.
Speaker 4:And it's interesting though, because I do love the forum of a Muppet and Madonna, to try to put this kind of in context, and so you know, in that respect, that respect it's. This is somebody's trauma, so respect, respect to their trauma respect to your trauma. But but yeah, on the spectrum we're not all gonna be like deep, deep trauma you know, sometimes it's affected you.
Speaker 6:You know we've all had stories that you know aren't like. We were in vietnam. Or you know we were shot in the street. We don't all have those stories, no sure but you know things are gonna affect people in different ways. You know we were shot in the street. We don't all have those stories, no sure, but you know things are going to affect people in different ways. You know, for all we know, this affected this person positively when I was like, well, I've gotten that out of the way.
Speaker 4:Yeah, now you should be confident I called down a spiral staircase.
Speaker 6:Yeah, but it's also a story worth telling. As I fell, I fractured my arm. I didn't get shot or anything, but I was part of all the buses.
Speaker 4:They were all watching me. That's character building. It's character building, and so you should put it over the prawn and Madonna.
Speaker 6:It's going to be a combination of things that are silly and some things that are just weird, or it's going to be things that are actually dark. It's about how you want to use this to express what's going on with you.
Speaker 5:Or this is how I look like at the end of 2024, which is probably my favorite. That's kind of how I'm feeling too.
Speaker 6:I think that's the funniest part of it we should all be King Prawns. Just for the end of the last two weeks.
Speaker 4:And don't kink King Prawn. Shame that King Prawn. Shame that's the lesson.
Speaker 6:Don't King Prawn Shame Don't.
Speaker 4:King Prawn Shame. That's the lesson that we've learned here today. I feel like we've accomplished so much in this session.
Speaker 5:This has been like a therapeutic session for everyone.
Speaker 6:I'm going to get Pepe to come in for the next episode. That would be really nice. Perfect Cool. All right Well that's going to do it for this week.
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Speaker 5:We got to pimp Ted out. You guys are going to see his cute little face, that's right.
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