Creating a Life of Impact, Time, Freedom, and Passive Income with Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura

🎙️ Welcome back to another inspiring episode of The Physicians and Properties Podcast with your host, Dr. Alex Schloe!

In this episode, Dr. Schloe is joined by Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura, co-founders of Semi-Retired MD, a thriving physician-focused real estate education platform. Together, they’ve built a personal portfolio of over 175 doors, syndicated 2,100+ multifamily units, and helped thousands of physicians start their investing journey—all while raising a family and still practicing medicine.

Dr. Leti and Dr. Kenji share their full journey: from reading Rich Dad Poor Dad as newlyweds in 2015, to scaling their portfolio, saving millions in taxes, and traveling the world with their kids while running a multimillion-dollar business. They reveal how six income streams from real estate, a powerful mindset, and surrounding themselves with the right people helped them create life on their terms.

💡 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

✔️ The six ways real estate builds wealth beyond just cash flow
✔️ How they went from zero to financial freedom in just three years
✔️ What real estate professional status (REPS) did for their taxes—and how they paid $0 in income tax for 7 years
✔️ How to build net worth and track it like a CEO
✔️ The mindset shifts from scarcity to abundance—and how to change your relationship with money
✔️ How masterminds and coaching changed their trajectory
✔️ Why financial freedom starts with a compelling vision and belief that it's possible

🔥 Key Takeaways:

✔️ Real estate is a powerful vehicle—but your mindset is the engine
✔️ The right who is more powerful than the how
✔️ Investing through a recession taught them that cash flow is king
✔️ You don’t need to leave medicine to create time freedom
✔️ With the right systems, values, and community—you can live life on your terms

From the power of community and intentional living to leveraging tax strategies and masterminds, this episode is a masterclass in designing your ideal life through real estate. If you’re a physician dreaming of more freedom, more impact, and more time with your family—this is your roadmap.

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Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura:  There's gonna be  times when there's like things like recessions,  but there are also gonna be times when there's significant increases in value,  and that's what you're going for, right? And it's just like the stock market, right? There's ups and there's downs.  But when you look at the average over a long period of time.

You know,  the stock market averages, let's say 10% annualized, right? So,  so that's what you're looking at. So real estate, there's those really great periods where there's huge upswings,  there's some then downturns, and that's okay.  But then again, the cash flow is really the key  that helps you survive through  all that.     

 Dr. Alex Schloe: Welcome to the Physicians and Properties Podcast, the show where we teach you how investing in real estate can give you the freedom to practice medicine and live life how you want. Doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor. Now here's your host, Dr. Alex Schloe

 

Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Physicians and Properties Podcast. As always,  I'm your host, Dr. Alex Schloe, and I'm so grateful that you're taking the time to listen to another episode.  I promise you today's episode will not disappoint.  This was such a cool moment for me,  such a cool episode  to have.

 Letizia and Kenji of semi-retired MD on the podcast. I have been a huge fan of them for years  and they have completely transformed so many lives  and have created such an incredible economic wake through semi-retired md  and it was amazing to get to hear from them in their journey.  Letti and Kenji are board certified hospitalist physicians, real estate investors, podcasters at doctors building wealth  bloggers at Semiretired md,  and co-authors of the book Life on Your Terms, why doctors use real estate investments to set themselves free in how you can too.

 They started investing together in small. Multifamily real estate in 2015 and have since grown their portfolio to over 175 units of long and short-term rentals that they own themselves across multiple states  and our general partners on an additional 2,100 units.  Through their courses, they have helped over 3,500 physicians and high income professionals learn how to invest in real estate to achieve financial freedom  and build lives they love.

 This was an absolutely incredible episode. Listen all the way through, I.  Check out the links in the in the show notes because they give you free access to their Ignite Your Journey course.  It's a $200 value and a fantastic course.  This episode was jam packed with value, a lot of great mindset tips and can  completely transform your life.

So  if it makes an impact on your life, if it makes an impact on your day,  do us a favor. Give us a five star rating and review and share this  with someone  who could be impacted today.  Thanks for what you do, and thanks for listening to the podcast.  Let's get started.

 Leti And Kenji, welcome to the Physicians and Properties Podcast. I'm honored to have you guys on the podcast tonight.  Thanks for joining me. How are things going?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Amazing. Yeah. Things are going. Thank you. Thanks for having us.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Absolutely. Yeah. Been so excited to have you on. I know  we had a couple scheduling conflicts.  Thanks for staying up late. It's late year in Colorado.  And thanks for working with the schedule and, and really excited to have you on. I know folks will get a lot of value.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Thank you.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Awesome. Awesome. Well,  for folks who don't know who you are, which I feel like a lot of people who listen to this podcast do, if you don't, I'm really excited for them to get to know you.

 But do you mind telling people a little bit about yourself?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Sure. So I'm Letizia, I'm actually a family medicine trained as well, and and, and became a hospital. Hospitalist.  And Kenji is a hos hospitalist, but internal medicine trained  and, you know, I think you're mostly interested in our real estate journey, so that that started back in 2015 together  we read Rich Dad, poor Dad and got very motivated to build another source of income outside of our day jobs.

We were bo both working more than full-time as doctors at that point,  and decided real estate was gonna be our vehicle. Kenji actually had a lot of experience. In real estate that he can talk about as well.  And at that time we were looking for a primary residence. We were newly married and we were  saving up, we had been saving up for it, and we decided to put all of our money into real estate.

So that's, that's how we got started. We put all of our, we, we rented for many, many years, put all of our money into buying  investment properties that would cash flow  and actually get the financial freedom in three years, which was much faster than we thought.  Yeah. And I, and I had actually started, much earlier in 2001. And I, I, I grew up with  a family that invested in real estate. My mom still actually owns  some of the rental properties that she and my dad bought together.  And and they cash flow and she's living off the income. So it was a good, good model for me to and, and pretty much as soon as I could  start investing, I invested in 2001.

I was working with McKinsey, which is a consulting company.  I'd actually left medicine.  To go into management consulting and  I was actually working in Japan.  I didn't have, you know, anything. To do with my money other than just to invest it. So I actually started investing  and really actually investing long distance from Japan.  And and then, and then from there, I just kept  investing.  You know, the, the, the difference was we  the things,  the things that was investing back then were a lot of appreciation plays.  Land a lot of expensive condos and expensive cities  that didn't cash flow. That didn't cash flow. And so one of the  things that I had, I had had an opportunity to experience was the 2008 recession.  And so investing through that recession was.  Challenging  for to, to, to say the least, and  especially if you don't have cash flowing properties.  And that was the big lesson that  we took to when we started investing together, that was a big lesson that we were like, okay, whatever we do, we have to make sure that we're,  we're buying for cash flow.  So we started together in 2012 and  now it's, you know, 2026. We have over 175 doors that we personally own.  And they're midterm rent sorry, short-term rentals. Long-term rentals. They're  single family homes. A lot of duplexes. 'cause that's how we started out. And up to I think 186. 86, no, 80  160 unit is our largest that we own part of.

 And then we've also syndicated about 2100 doors at this point.  So a lot of growth.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Lot of growth in a, in a quick timeframe. That's, that's awesome. Kenji, I wanted to go back to yeah. Investing in 2001 and 2008 with the recession. It sounds like cashflow, you learned learning about the protective nature of cashflow was something that you really learned during that timeframe.

 What were some other lessons that you learned back in 2008 that, that you carried forward  for your guys' real estate investing journey?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Yeah. Another big one is risk mitigation, right? And  so I think that.  You it, it's so easy to get enthusiastic about an opportunity and,  and when I was investing in these properties in Florida, it was land, a lot of land, right? Waterfront, actually beautiful.  No, no houses on them. Just land. And and, and there were,  there were, I.

 Selling like crazy. And people from  places like New York and California were going to,  going to Florida sight unseen, buying these properties. And back then you could buy properties  no money down. And you didn't really have to,  there was no income verification. You know, if you saw the movie Big Short,  it was literally just like that no income verification.

 You could actually walk away  with more money in your pocket, you so no money down, but you'd actually get.  The seller to credit you some money, and then you would actually walk away with some money and you would end up with a property. And so  bought a number of properties.  Now  the, the upside was you'd buy a property for, let's say 125,006 months later you could sell for 325,000.

So you could make a quick  $200,000. Like,  like it was nothing.  And so we did that a number of times. But again, it's like that,  you know, if you're, if you're just like.  If you, if you just focus on the upsides,  then then that, and, and that's what a lot of people do. They get really enthusiastic. They get excited. I actually now stop myself if I'm too excited about something.  I actually step back and go, wait, wait, this is, this, is that, that same feeling? Right?  And one of the things that that we, that we teach and that we also personally.  Incorporate in our own investing is  to really  make sure you think about the down downsides as well.  But it's not only that you, you actually can't just stop there because all investing  has risk. All investing has downsides, right? And so you actually have to take it further and you have to then think about  how do you mitigate the downsides, right? That's the key step in my mind because  again, all investing has risk.  If you  just  focus said, okay, I'm not gonna invest. If there's downsides, then you're never gonna invest in anything.  The key is to then take that extra step and go, okay,  how can I mitigate this downside? Is there a way for me to protect myself  if the downside  actually occurs? Or can I minimize the impact of that downside?  If, if the downside occurs?  Yeah, I think the other thing you should mention is, you know, you had this raw land, which by the way, raw land eats three meals a day.  That was something that we learned from our mentor who was doing development projects and, and in the eighties lost a hundred million dollars was in development projects, and he was just like.  The raw land, if it's not cash flowing, it's eats three meals a day. 'cause you have to pay it out to support it.  But you also had multifamily during that time. And so maybe you can talk about  what you learned from that. Yeah, so I think that during the recession I actually did own an eight eight townhouse complex and that was, again, amongst all the land that I had, I had some expensive condos,  but then I also did have this  multi-family property  in a, you know, I would say a, b, C area. It was actually  close to  Boeing in, in, in Seattle or where all the factories are. So it was a, it was a good area  and that property actually  did, did totally fine during the recession.

In fact,  I was actually able to even increase the rents.  During the recession, right? This is the worst real estate recession  in history, and I was able to actually raise the rents,  and I was also able to  sell the property for more  like a year, like maybe about 18 months later, after increasing rents. I  was actually able to sell the property for, for more than I bought it for.

Again, this is during the recession.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome. That's like a, a built-in case study of, you know, how, how  two different sides of the coin. And I, I love that raw land.  Can  that still eats three meals a day? That's great. I have a lot of friends who are  flipping land and so I hope they listen to that and at least, at least consider  the potential there and ramifications.

Sounds like you guys got started investing together in 2012 and you're working, you know, more than full-time  medicine jobs at the time.  Was there an aha moment or was there a moment where you were like, Hey, we, we gotta get back in the, in the real estate game.  We gotta get started building some passive income so we can have some freedom.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Sorry, I might have said that wrong. It was actually 2015 when we started together.  And yeah. For you was, was that just, how did that come up?  I think it was just reading Rich Dad, port Dad, and I was like, oh, real estate looks amazing because,  you know, Robert Kiyosaki's jogging in the neighborhoods.

Seeing these little houses and buying them and they cash flow.  And I don't know that I really fully understood your background of experience with it until  That point, honestly.  Yeah.  I,  I,  I, I, I knew the power of real estate. Obviously I had the example of my parents  and I did have some really good experiences as well.

Right. So I had  of course I had  some of the  negative experiences. I wouldn't say negative experience, but a lot of learning opportunities I should say.  But I also saw the power of it, right? And that's the other thing is that  I can't ignore, I.  Those deals where there was that rapid appreciation. Right.

And if you really think about it  between, let's say 20 16, 17 to 2021,  I mean, there was a huge  we had a lot of market appreciation. Which ton, which is amazing for us of, yeah. I mean,  you know, people always say  you could,  pretty much anybody could make money  during that time, right? Because there was so much appreciation.  And so, you know, there can be really good times as well. And, and so, so. You know, I, I'd have to say that  if you can kind of catch that, then you can do well and you're not, I'm not talking about timing.  You want to be consistently investing, but you're, you have to also realize that  of course there's downsides.

There's gonna be  times when there's like things like recessions,  but there are also gonna be times when there's significant increases in value,  and that's what you're going for, right? And it's just like the stock market, right? There's ups and there's downs.  But when you look at the average over a long period of time.

 You know,  the stock market averages, let's say 10%,  you know, annualized, right? So,  so that's what you're looking at. So real estate, there's those really great periods where there's huge upswings,  there's some then downturns, and that's okay.  But then again, the cash flow is really the key  that helps you survive through  all that.  Yeah. When we first started, I mean,  obviously Kenji had experience doing  appreciation plays, right? Market appreciation.  He had some experience with cash flow,  but what we've kind of come to see is there's actually six ways that you make money in real estate.  There's cashflow, obviously  there's tenants paying down your mortgage, which is something  that actually really adds up.

And we, a couple years into our journey,  like we're able to see our net worth growing really substantially just by having the tenants paying down our  mortgages every single year.  There's market appreciation, which we've talked about,  but we didn't really understand the value of forced appreciation when we first started, which is taking a property, improving it, or  increasing rents.

You know, increasing income, decreasing expenses, and then making that value of that property go up tremendously.  We didn't fully understand that power, and I will say that that's actually what's added most to our net worth growth over the last, I don't know, nine years or whatever, that we've been investing together.  Immediate appreciation, you know, getting a great deal, making money on day one.  Huge.  And then tax benefits. So when we first started, we actually claimed he claimed real estate professional status the first year we did it.  Cut back to halftime continued to work full-time  and that allowed us to pay zero in income tax.

We did that for seven years. So we,  from, you know, 2015 all the way till when we moved to Puerto Rico in 2022, we didn't pay any income taxes in the us.  We were buying like crazy every year. We had to go buy a lot of properties.  And so it was, it was a little bit crazy for Ken G that, you know, 'cause he's, he's CEO of our real estate portfolio.  But that was powerful, right? Not to pay taxes for seven years.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That is huge. Yeah. I just had a conversation with a physician today  and he's like,  yeah, Alex, my, my biggest expense is taxes, like. What the heck do I do? How do I get this tax burden down? And so  we were talking a lot about that in the short term rental loophole and a couple other investing strategies. But yeah, it's massive and I think it's often overlooked.

And I'm really glad that you also said  the, the loan pay down with the tenants paying down. 'cause I think that's something that gets overlooked  and especially as you know, that.  For longer periods of time and you're paying less  interest and more principle, that is really significant.  And so I do think that's something to at least consider when you're thinking about, okay, what actual return am I getting on this property and on this investment  besides just the cashflow that's,  that's coming into the bank.

There's a ton of other benefits, so  thanks for hitting those six things.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Yeah, we we're lucky enough that we started tracking our net worth  when we started our real estate journey, so we can see our net worth at that time,  and then we can see what it's done every single year. And I would highly encourage people to do this  when they're starting their real estate investment journeys is do the baseline.

Because  what you'll find is, you know, after a year, even if you buy one or two properties, you will,  if you force appreciation, if you take advantage of the tax savings, all those pieces that I just described.  Your net worth can grow tremendously,  and just watching that gives you more and more motivation to keep going. We actually, we track our net worth every quarter with a group of people. We look at each other's numbers  and we talk about it and we see what each other are doing, and we talk about,  you know, what worked, what didn't work.  And I wanna, our CPA actually like, looked at our numbers and he was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna start investing in real estate like.  You can see those numbers. It makes such a difference to actually see the numbers.  And also I think a lot of people, sometimes we have moments where we're scared financially, right?  You go back, you look at your net worth, it really can settle you  because you're actually looking at real numbers.  So instead of just guesstimating in your head, what's going on?

So I think it's a really valuable practice for everyone out there.

Dr. Alex Schloe:  Yeah, that's great. I need to do that. I, I tend to only look at it when I'm  working on a personal financial statement  or  once a year  and so I need to, I need to do that and track that. So I'm gonna  need to hold myself accountable to at least looking at it quarterly. 'cause you're right, I remember the last time I did it, I was like, holy cow, I can't believe how much net worth I've added in the last six months or the last year.

 In between. So that's really cool.  I wanted to pull on the string of accountability with folks  and sharing networks. 'cause sometimes people  get really uncomfortable about talking about money.  How has that been for you guys in that accountability group where you guys are sharing your net worth each quarter  and talking through what worked and what didn't?

How has  that been for you?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: So we all all of us are in the Tony Robbins world, so we all do Tony Robbins masterminds. So I think that money is a normal conversation for all of us and  we very much subscribe to money as a tool,  and it doesn't change who you are, but it makes, it gives you the opportunity to be more of who you are.

 So you get to use money for  all the things that maybe you would love to do, but you don't have the money for at the, at this.  This moment. And so  in our communities that we work in, and even, you know, in our community, semi-retired md,  like we, we create  a.  A, a atmosphere of money is not a bad thing.  And really believe strongly that when this community has more money, just knowing how,  you know, doctors are very much about  helping and giving and I, I can't tell you, we have so many people in our communities do whys, you know, what is their why?

And  it's always.  Their family, it's their community.  We even have students who are going and investing in communities outta state  and giving a portion of their proceeds to the local community like  it. Money is just a tool to help you be able to,  to have greater impact in the way that you already are impacting.  And so I don't think there's.  Any  like drama at all in our little,  in our little quarterly thing.  But there is excitement because every,  everything we see is an example of what's possible.  And so we'll see our friends do different investments. We'll see the returns or like, oh, we should do some of that.

 That's what's fun.  Yeah. I, I think that it's important to  maybe change your relationship with money.  And  I think  there's  a lot of, scarcity when it comes to money, right? And there's maybe a lot of fear as well.  A lot of this comes from our parents. And  so I, I think it's like if you change that relationship,  and  I, I I do think that  you could actually create a,  better situation where, where the money flows to you  as opposed to  you hold onto it. And  I think that people maybe hold onto it too tight  and that makes it difficult for them to actually take the steps to invest, right? Because  in order to invest, you have to actually  move that money  outta your accounts, right?

You have to let go of that money.  And the idea is okay.  Go and make me money. Right.  And go grow. Right. And then come back. Right. And so  you gotta kind of create that flow. And I think that if you're holding too tight to it  if you're not open with other people about where you are, you're not realistic about where you are  then  you know, that can be a problem.

Right. And that's, that's the reason why I think that  it is a valuable exercise. Getting yourself to the point where  you don't mind sharing it, you're not embarrassed about it, you're not,  you know, you're just, it's just a, it's just like a, like the, like you said, it's either a tool.  Or it's just a thing or it's a piece of paper.

 It's just a way for you to go out and  acquire things, right? Or do good things or help people.  Yeah. So Lynn Twist book, the Soul of Money, is such a good book. I don't know if you've read it,

Alexander. But she says, every time you spend money, it's a vote of what you wanna see more of in the world.  So you spend your money on buying an apartment complex and you make it nice, right? You spend your money on  having a contractor, make it a nice housing for your tenants, right?  That's more of what you wanna see more in the world. You don't wanna see slumlords  who don't care about their tenants, right?  You go out and you buy something beautiful.  That's a vote for seeing something more, you know, more beau beautiful things in the world.  And so when you start to see money like that,  I think it takes away some of that emotional baggage. And, and I have to say,  you know, I was not raised in a place where money was discussed. I was not raised in a place.

Even now, my parents sometimes say stuff to me that,  you know, that is not helpful.  Right. But  it, it doesn't mean that what you've raised, you've been raised with is.  Your future, right? The past does not determine the future. You can absolutely change your mindset around money  and walk with not having embarrassment about that.

 Even if all the people around you decide not to change, that's okay.

Dr. Alex Schloe: I love that. I think  money is absolutely a tool and it's also a magnifier of, of who you are.  As you guys mentioned that already, like  bad people are gonna find ways to make money.  Like they, they just will.  But good people who make lots of money are gonna make such a huge difference in the world  and have such a huge economic.

Wake behind them to bring others along with them.  And so I completely agree and, and I love that. And I think, you know  that's how we feel about assisted living is like, hey, like we wanna  build, we wanna tell everyone  that we can about residential assisted living and build as many as we can and house as many residents as we can,  because that's gonna get the seniors that care that they deserve and that they, that they really need.

 And so it, it's a lot though, and I, I think about.  I grew up, my family  did not have much money at all. We were, you know, often worried about like, Hey, how are the bills gonna get paid? And I could see that stress and experience, that stress  in my household. And I always told myself I was never  gonna put my family in that situation.

And I'm really fortunate and grateful that we haven't.  But I do notice there's  tons of times where I'm like  still clinging to money and I'm like, Hey Alex, like you just gotta let this go, man. Like it's time to invest in this other deal or give this money away or.  Do something awesome with it. So it's definitely  a journey and something that I've been working through as well.

 I am also a big fan of Tony Robbins, so  and I think you guys are platinum  members of Tony Robbins. Correct.  And, and I, I do know that's quite a substantial price tag and I think  important to, to hit on just the power of Masterminds and what you guys have learned from.  Being in rooms with the right people.

And, and you mentioned it earlier with the fact of like being in  the community and sharing net worth shows you that it's possible.  I can't imagine being at a Tony Robbins Platinum event  and, and leaving thinking that anything is not possible. 'cause it, it just has to be such an amazing community. So  what's that journey been like for you guys with Tony Robbins?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Okay. Well first of all, we're super fans. We love, we love it. So we've been doing it since 2019.  And I have to say, the money we spent on it was.  The best money we've ever spent. Really, truly because  in spending the money, we showed up differently.  That's really the, the honest truth. So  when we went to our first event, we both signed up  for platinum,  so it was 85,000 for me, it was 65,000 for him.  And then, you know, the, the pub private events are, are additional on top of that. And then we had a one-year-old and a three-year-old and an au pair.  And

we were committed.  We committed to  going to one event a month.  For a year.  So the travel was also, you know, substantial.  And so in signing up for that though, it, it grew our business tremendously because we showed up differently.

We were hungry, we learned everything that we could,  and we took action in a way we hadn't before.  So we actually started SRMD in 2018 and hadn't monetized it at all. We were just, we were just doing it for free and,  and adding value. And in 2019 we actually, CR created our first course.  It was really successful right outta the gate  because of a lot of the things that we learned in our community and Tony Robbins and  just learning how to build a team and all these things, how to add value, more value than anyone else.

All those pieces  kind of came together and  semi-retired MD was a multimillion dollar business the next year.

 That, that can tell you the power of Mastermind, of course, being around people who are dreaming bigger,  you know,  getting rid of some of your limiting beliefs and knowing what's possible for you.  But spending the money,  spending the money on it,  and and just committing that you're gonna take action.  It's really, really powerful in itself because you, you show up differently.  Yeah. So people say the transformation's in the transaction, right? Yes. And so I think, I think it's true. And  you know, as like you said, we've, we've continued to invest in every year.

Every year. Right. And we're, every year we're in at least, at least Tony Robbins multi, you know, mastermind.  But oftentimes I'm in two.

 Right, right. And, and what's what's, what's amazing about it is.  And, and it's hard to really describe  what it is to somebody who has never  experienced it.  But it really touches on all aspects of life, right?

It, it touches on your business, it touches on  your personal relationships, your intimate relationships  even your relationship. Yeah. Your parenting  your relationship with your parents relationship. Any,  any damaged relationship you might have with a friend or something like that.  Any of these it, it's really, truly an incredible.  It's an experience, right? And it touches all aspects of your life. And and  if I were to kind of like, sum up  for me the greatest impact is  it, it, it really is.  If you, if you, if there's something out there that you really want to do  then  there's oftentimes for people, there's things that are holding them back.  And what this will do is it will transform your mindset to a point where you could  go out and you could achieve these things  that you may never have thought was possible initially.  And that first step is really that belief that it's possible for you, right?  And that's something that you learn, right?

You learn that, okay? And, and part of it is seeing what other people are doing. That's important, right? And that's why this podcast is important, right? You hear from other people that are doing things and you see what's possible for you.  Right,  right. And then, and then, but some of it also, somebody has to have the belief, right, that you can run the four minute mile.

Right? Roger, Ben, Roger Banister had the belief that he could run it for a four minute mile and nobody else thought it was possible.  So, so sometimes you are first and you are the first to believe  that, you know, we can  colonize Mars, right? So somebody has that belief and then goes out and does it right?

And,  and that's the key here, is that whatever it is that you want to do.  It all starts with a belief that you could do it.  And if you crack open that door a little bit,  then you start to see all the possibilities, then you also start to see how it, how it can be possible  and all. And the other  important part about platinum is,  is that a lot of these things are not, how can I do it, but a who, who can help me do it, right?

And if I think about,  think about it, it truly is. Who, and that that really was what actually helped us  grow our business was a lot of who's right. A lot of different people. Tony of course, was one of the who's  but a lot of who's, who helped us along the way in helping a lot of the physician bloggers Yeah.

Really helped us, you know, Peter, Bonnie, and Sonny. You know, they, they helped us write, in the very beginning, they were our,  our affiliates for our course, and, and they had a much bigger following than us. So  just that  those relationships were so powerful in helping our business grow. And so it, it really is oftentimes a who  that, that helps you grow your business.

Right? And that's why it's so important to surround yourself with a lot of those who's right. And that's what  I think the Platinum partnership did for us.  Yeah. And that's, I think what all, all of us are doing is mm-hmm. In getting in community. Right. It's really important to get into community.  You know, we actually have been taking  people from our community there every single year for the

last couple years.  We had 300 people join us last year,  and they've actually allowed me to take my friends and family discount and hand and give it to anyone in our community for unleash power within an October.  So your, anyone here is, you know, welcome to join  as well because it's, it,  we don't make anything out of it.

It's just like you, you buy your tickets through Tony Robbins, but they give  you the friends and family discount, which is really substantial  and they rope off a section for us.  So, and then they're gonna open up like an early registration for us too, because there's so many of us. And it's really an powerful experience to go  and meet other docs and, and meet  members of the community who are going through this mindset shift. Because then everyone goes back to the hospitals and the clinics and they are different people and they bring a level of energy and a level of  possibility and a letter, some optimism.  And it, it  like changes healthcare. At least this is what we believe. So this is why we do it every single year,  is, you know, we wanna  help change the culture of medicine  to ha empower doctors, to empower staff,  to have that mindset of anything is possible, and then they will go create the change.

Because  the community is an amazing  community of powerful people who are driven and they will do incredible things.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's amazing.  Yeah, I'm actually reading Awaken the Giant Within and sitting on my  nightstand right now. I've been reading it every night  and it, it's been awesome to, to read and I've been listening to more  Tony Robbins stuff and, and one of my really good friends, Brian Lubin, he hosts the Action Academy podcast.

He's also platinum  and, and he's just, he's all about it. He's like, dude, this is just the absolutely most amazing thing and the best investment I ever made.  And it's wild when you sit back and you think about like,  Hey, like I'm, you know, that's like a half a year salary for an Air Force family med doc.

 But  then you guys are saying like, look, then our business became a multimillion dollar business so much faster. And I think that that's what  folks kind of have that disconnect of like, Hey, you have to  pay to play and seek to serve.  And if you're willing to do that.  You're, you're gonna  reach potential, your potential so much faster and then go way beyond.

And I, that's something that I'm learning. 'cause like I said,  a little bit of that scarcity mindset. So it's like, oh, do I really wanna pay for that event?  I've never regretted joining a mastermind or paying for an event or getting in the room with the right people.  And it's always elevated me so much more.

And so I think if folks are sitting here and they're on the fence about the UPW  you know, event in, in October, you should take the leap and do it.  I'm gonna take a look at my schedule and see what it is. I'd love to go too. Yeah.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Be so great. We have

so much. It's really a phenomenal experience to be

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome. Yeah, that would be so cool. And I think, you know, and I'm, I'm sure you guys have seen it, I know I have too.

Like,  once folks realize that  passive,  passive income or some degree of financial freedom,  I. It Sure. It gives you that freedom to like practice medicine how you want to, but it also makes you such a better doctor.  Like you, you don't have that stress of like, I have to see more and more patients and I have to bill more and more, or I have to like, you have a little bit of flexibility  and I, and I think a lot of times it's a struggle  between like, oh, I wanna, I.

 Get that overnight. Well, it definitely takes some work,  but like, just think about how cool it would be if you could just take a Friday off  every week  and then Thursday and Friday and then, you know, and just go from there. And so  I don't want folks to  listen to us and get discouraged and think like,  oh, I have to figure out a way to go from full-time to not working at all.

 There's steps along the  way and each step of that can be super valuable and learn a lot while you're going.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Yeah, I wanted to say for those for those listening who are maybe  struggling or, or maybe you're  having burnout or maybe you're just kind of like, so just you, you just need a change. You feel like you need a change. Just like you said, you don't have to,  Have achieved financial freedom,  even a degree of financial freedom.

I think all that you really need is a compelling future,  and which is,  which is what a lot of people get out of the program, is they, they realize, wait, there's so much more out there.  And,  and they get excited about the fact that  there's so much more out there. Of course, they're still,  they haven't changed their job or anything like that, but  it's the possibility, right.

That they get excited about.  And even people who go through our course  and they learn how to.  Invest in real estate.  They haven't necessarily gone out and bought a property yet, but they now have the knowledge and some confidence. Oh, you know, well,  maybe I can actually go out  and buy some rental properties or short-term rental shelter, some income,  bring in some passive income,  and, and that just, it's just that possibility.  Changes things for them again, even if they hadn't bought a property. That's what's amazing, and that's why I just wanted to kind of share with the people who are listening that  that's, I really think that that's really all you need  in order to start shifting  from where you are right now. If you're feeling that burnout  if you're feeling really down about your work or where you are in life,  then, then  that little bit of shift right, I think can make a huge difference.

And,  and you don't have to have replaced your income. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, I completely agree. I, I think about like, you know, if you  picture a plane flying across the United States and  they have their coordinates, like  if they just make. One little shift, they're gonna end up in just a completely different location.  And I think it's the same way with our lives. And we just have to be willing to make that little shift and have that little bit of a mindset change  and who knows where you're gonna end up.

And it's gonna be absolutely incredible. And  I think that vision piece and building out what do you want your future life to look like, or taking the time to  build out your vivid vision that. Great book by Cameron Harold  and see like, hey, where do I wanna be in three years? Where, where do I wanna be in five years?

 And like, really dream about what that is like. That's been huge for me,  if I'm being honest with folks listening and honest with you guys.  I would say probably three and a half or four years ago, I went to like the first. Real estate retreat or mastermind event I'd ever been to.  And it was with some amazing folks.

Craig  Kapp was there from BiggerPockets, Dave Pere from  from military to Millionaire, some awesome people. And I remember thinking like,  one, I shouldn't even be in this room. So I had that imposter syndrome.  And then two  anytime someone came to talk about mindset, I was like,  this is dumb.  Like,  just show me how I can buy a rental property and start making some passive income, you know,  and thinking, and I, and, and now three and a half, four years from now, I'm like.

 Man,  like the mindset is everything. Like that is the most important thing.  We're all doctors, we're all smart. We can all figure out how to invest in real estate, especially in a great course and community and  have that accountability like we can, we can all figure that out.  But if your mindset's not big enough, if your dream's not big enough,  like you're just holding yourself back.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Yeah. Yeah.  That's why we invest the way we do in our mindsets Every single year. And, and, and one, one thing we realize is that the more you aspire to do, the more you go out and do,  the more you challenge yourself,  the, the, the kind of the limiting beliefs and the things that hold. You back.

 They're still there. And just  different ones. Just different ones.

Yeah.

 So you're, you're constantly working on it. And that's why we're constantly investing in, in our mindset. Yeah. And so, I mean, yeah, it's, it's not just money, it's time. Right. It's like. Every single,  almost every single month we go to an event.

 That's a lot of our time is spent this way,  but it, it has had such a positive impact on who we are and  and how we've run our businesses and our family and our relationship. It's, it's worth every single penny. Multiple times over. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's fantastic.  How did how did somebody retired MD come to be  and, and come to be what it is now?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Well, we started it as a blog because when I was working halftime Kenji was  moonlighting. Everyone was like, what? How did you guys do this? Like, what are you doing? Like people got curious at that point.  And so we started telling people about it. We were so passionate about it, as you can imagine, because  it had changed our lives so dramatically.  So we started.  Doing a lot of like meals with people. We tried to teach 'em everything that we could.  And we had an investor agent  that we were just like sending everybody to, and we saw that a lot of people didn't take action.  It was actually really surprising,  but  what it was is they didn't have the confidence to tra take action.

They didn't have all the pieces, they didn't have the structure. They didn't have.  You know, the team, they didn't really, they were never in a position that they had enough certainty that they could take that step forward into taking action. And so what we saw was like very, very few people took action.  And so we were blogging, like I mentioned, for o well over a year actually starting in 2018. And then, yeah, for a year  until we were blogging. And then in 2019  luckily we, you know, got into this community with Peter Kim and Bonnie COO and Sonny Smith and got to learn what they were doing. And I remember Sonny, no, Bonnie took Amy Porterfield's.

Course,

Dr. Alex Schloe: Oh, Amy's

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: On how to build courses.  Actually, I'm an Amy Porterfield's Mastermind right now, just to give you a full circle of like how many masterminds we do.

 And she's like, I'm building a course, and we're like, oh, we should build a course too. Like literally, this is why you are the average of the five people you're around  because she's doing it.

And we're like, oh, we'll do that too. Well started out with coaching because we met with Sunny first, right? Right. So we were like,  okay, we'll start coaching. Yeah. And then Bonnie was like, oh, I'm building a course. And we're like, oh, we'll build a course. And then Peter built a course and they're like,  so then all of us did it.

Together and it was really fun. And like I mentioned, our first course when we launched it, you know, we didn't have a huge email list. We didn't have a huge following,  but, you know, our friends supported us. They were our affiliates. And so  it was really exciting. We were able to get in front of their community and that really led SRMD to really grow. I do think that our courses.  Extremely well, like organized and just makes sense for people's minds.  And then we really build a community that is, you know, abundance and,  and generosity and kindness to each other. And it's not a place where people pull each other down. It's where a p place where people lift each other up.

And I think that combination of,  you know, good material and content and proven strategy, right, based on our experience of now over 35 years together,  but also the community of people who we have.  Who we have attracted,  who have then gone out and take action and then contribute to the community with all their learning  because they're creative and they're trying new things and  they're bringing it back to the community.  Ultimately that's, that's what's caused this business to grow.  Yeah. I think the size it has. Yeah. I think also,  yeah, we continue to teach it because we love it. Right? And so we love to teach and we love,  love teaching the course and helping people. Get started right from knowing nothing to feeling really confident.

Right. That mindset we talked about. Right. So,  you know,  mindset's number one in  our course, actually it is, it is. It's in the first week. But like, we don't you know, when people take our course, they don't  quite realize.  And we don't talk about it as much in the, in, in when we're kind of  talking about the course and  selling the course.

But but once you get into it, you realize, you get, kind of get hit with this.  Like, and, and a lot of it actually is very natural because they,  we, we start to go, okay, what, what are your goals? Right? And they start to set these goals and a lot of 'em will set smaller goals.  What's realistic?  And we go, no, no, no.

 Don't, don't, don't set a realistic goal. What is it that you really want? Right? Because  why set the realistic goal? Because the realistic goal is based on  the amount of money they have in their bank account to invest in real estate and what they think is  possible and what they think

is possible for them.

Right? And,  and, and so what we do is we share examples of what other people are doing and they go, oh, they start to go, okay, maybe,  maybe actually I can  dream even bigger, right? And then the limiting beliefs start crap creeping in because once they start dreaming bigger, they go.  How am I gonna do that?

Right. And so, and that's the, that's the reason why all that happens.  And so it unfolds really beautifully in the course. And  by the end, I think people realize  maybe, maybe not in the beginning, they don't, they, they say, oh, what, what is this mindset stuff?  By the end, by the end,

they get it.

They're like, okay, I got it. And I think if, you know, when we talk to alumni, it's like, nine outta 10. You're like,  what's, what was the biggest value of the course? Oh, the mindset, right? Like,  because we get it,  you know, they absolutely get it by then. It's not a real estate course, it's a mindset course.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.  Yeah. Well, hopefully folks listening to this really have learned mindset's so important, like save, save the time of the couple years. It took me to realize the importance of that  you know, hearing it right now too. It's it just reinforcing that, that, that is awesome.  What are some if, if you have some top of mind, what are some  wins that members have had in the course, or what are some folks that  stick out in terms of what they've been able to achieve after doing the Zero to Freedom course with you guys?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: That's a good question. Yeah. Wow.  Gosh. We have, we have people you know, who  buy a couple short-term rentals and it changes our lives. We have people who have well over 200 units now in

our community.  We have people who have raised for over 2000 units. 'cause we have a mastermind where we teach people to buy any property of any size, and part of that is teaching them to fundraise.

 So it's a wide range of like numbers, but what really, and, and you know, saving six figure in taxes is very regular in our community because they're doing short term rentals or they're doing real estate professional, or they're doing medical office buildings as well.  Which is cool because Right, that's a dying breed of people,  you know, owning their own practices.

But I feel like more and more in our community, people go out and own their own practices '  They're entrepreneurial now,  and they know how to buy real estate. They can buy the building and they can shelter their practice income. So that's really cool too.  I, I just,  I do love  seeing the people get the mindset shift and getting  the transformation of like doing what they want in their lives, right?

Mm-hmm.  It's the, like,  I don't have to work weekend call anymore. It's the.  Last year, so we've been doing this program called Boundless Life, which is really fun for people with kids 12 and under.  And it's like they have all these sites across the country across the world where you get to go and  your kids can go to school.

And they have an English speaking school. It's in the Finn.  Finish like school system, like structure, and they give you an apartment and they give you a co-working space. And it's all entrepreneurial families.  And so we've been doing summers with that program in Greece the last couple years, and we're going to Spain this year.

 And then next year we're actually scheduled to go to Uruguay,  but they're talking about opening up Japan. So we're gonna switch to Japan. We're gonna go for three months. Right. So  it's such a cool program.  But last year, oh God, I wanna say that half the program was like all doctors from our.  From our community or our

friends, and we were spending the month in Greece together.

We were  getting up walking our kids to school. We were having four hour breakfasts. We would do a couple hours of work in the afternoons.  We would go out to dinner, we'd be in the town square until like nine or 10. We'd put our, you know,  it was amazing. And that's, that's what's meaningful is that time with your  community, the time, the relationships you form.

Like that's actually.  When you look at it, I mean, the Happiness Project, right? Says that  your,  your longevity and your quality of life, your happiness is  relationships.  So it's transformation and relationships. That's the best part.  Yeah,  No, I think it's great. I think that you know, people are focused on financial freedom, but  time freedom is what I think ultimately people want.

Yes,  of course, financial freedom gives you some of that, but  some of this is really people just

shifting. Really starting to believe, oh, well why am I signed up for that committee? Like, why, what am I really, what, why am I spending my time doing that?  You know, why am I doing that weekend call? Is there anything I can do to change that?

Right. Is there  another group I can switch to? Or maybe I can maybe I can just cut back. Right. And actually I, I can still do okay. Right. And they realize, again, even, even, even without the real estate,  it's more just the, the.  Thinking about the possibilities and solving a problem, right?  So they go, my goal is  I want to free up some time.  That's the goal  and say, okay, how can I do that? I think what people get into a career,  they, they, they stop realizing that they have all this possibility, right? And  they, they actually have a lot of options.  They actually probably have the upper hand in the negotiations.  If they don't, they can always move somewhere else and,  and, and create that  type of situation.  You know, we know we have one, one doc who actually lives in a rural area because he has,  he's, he has the. Complete upper hand, he has total control, and he can take as much time as he wants off because,  you know, they can't find another doctor to replace him. And so  but, but point is again, is that you can, you have choice, you have options,  and it's just realizing that.

And so  again, we,  of course we have, you know. Plenty of people who are very successful,  as Lati said, you know, growing their portfolios or saving on taxes.  But I think that's probably the biggest thing is that the biggest win in my mind is that people are actually  freeing themselves in terms of time and,  and then spending And mindset.

Yeah. And transformation. Like it's really,  yeah,  it's great. A reallys beautiful thing to be able to  witness. Right.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's so cool. Yeah. You guys have  changed a lot of lives and, and I think the cool thing, I kind of mentioned economic wake earlier, but  the economic wake that you guys have created  and.  And just the ripple effect of that. You know, like I mentioned before we started the podcast, I've  talked to a bunch of folks who have done your course and they've absolutely loved it.

And then that's led to them  teaching  their residents that they're teaching, teaching medical students about it. And like,  it is just so cool to see that wave of freedom that that's being created  from you guys and from some other physicians in the space who are doing the same thing. And  from the focus on this podcast and, and like, that's,  that's what makes it so worth it.

 And, and that's why it's, it's just an absolutely amazing opportunity that we have to, to teach more and more physicians that freedom's out there and it exists. And you don't have to,  you don't have to suffer with the golden stethoscope or the golden handcuffs and just can't leave. Like there are options  for you to, to live that life that you really, really want.

 It's just gonna take some time, take some effort.  And take, take that tain take that mindset shift  to transform  and go from there.  That is so cool. Well, I definitely wanna look at boundless life. You got me intrigued there. 'cause my wife and I were just talking the other day  about how cool it would be to spend  each summer abroad somewhere.

 But we were wondering about the school piece and so, might, that might have just solved the problem. So I'll have to pick your brain more about that  after, which is really cool.  Well, I want to be respectful of your guys' time.  Is there, is there anything else that you guys want to hit on? I know there was a recent mastermind that was just launched for  female physicians who are crushing it.

So feel free,  tell folks how they can reach out to you  how they can learn more about the course or investing with you guys and as well as your book  life on your terms.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Oh yeah, our book. I forgot about that now. We wrote a book gosh, it must have been released about a year ago, called Life on Your Terms,  and we wrote it as a fable. So it's really fun, easy read. I love Patrick Lencioni books. I don't dunno if you've ever read any of 'em. They're all business books. They're so, so fun.

So  we wrote this as a.  Two couples and one couple invested real estate, one couple that kinda does the traditional thing. And we wrote the story of what happens to them.  And it's got a lot of mindset stuff in there, but it's got a lot of like real life applicable stuff about real estate as well and  how to build a portfolio.  You know, we run semi-retired md like you mentioned. We love teaching people about how to own their own rental properties,  how to build their own source of income.  It's really teaching people to fish  so that they have those skills for a lifetime and a lot of people pass them down to.  Other generations right.

To their kids and they're involved and it's, it's really an amazing thing.  We run Fast Fire Capital, which is a passive  inve offers passive investing opportunities 'cause we know not everybody wants to own,  you know, their own rental properties. And then I recently launched BRA, which is to help female physician entrepreneurs  build and scale their businesses.

And that's just because  actually female led businesses are about 40% in the US but only makes 6% of the revenues.

 And and only get 2% of the VC funding. And I believe that if we have more successful female-led businesses,  it will change the world in a really positive way. Just like if we have more physicians who have that mindset  of anything is possible for me,  it changes the culture of medicine.

 Right.  And so I'm really passionate about it. And yeah, we have our first,  first offering, which is a mastermind. And it's called BI  is the is the place. So you can go b i.com.

Thank you.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That is awesome. Yeah. You guys are, are doing lots of big things. It's been so cool  to watch the journey unfold, so,  so excited to see  what happens next for you. Before we go ahead, one last question.  How do you guys balance it all? How do you balance the business being great parents?  How do you do it?

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: So we read The One Thing by Gary Keller very early on in her journey, and we love that book. And in there he doesn't talk about balance. He talks about how life is always in imbalance.  And so we were just sharing with you before we started is  right now we're in California. My mom has, you know, has cancer  and she's, and we are here for two and a half weeks.

And I would say our life is in imbalance.  By being with them, right. And spending so completely fo, completely focused on it,  you know, driving them every driving every morning  to LA's mom every, every morning. The my dad Yeah.  To the hospital, picking 'em up  and then you know, just getting the house ready for her to come home.

And  so, yeah. So our, our complete focus is. On her and, and her health and and that's why we're here. And so, yes, like as Lati said, this is a period of imbalance, but  this is our priority. Right? Right. And this is what, what we're choosing to do.  And ultimately  we think that  life is a series of these imbalances.

You focus on what you need to  focus on at the time, and, and we get.  We get a lot done as a result. And sometimes it's it's our kids, right? Focusing on their development. But at other times, you know, we  have  good people in place to,  to you know, to, to handle things. So we have a,  a nanny who takes care of our kids.  She also teaches them, so we, so they're homeschool homeschooled, so that means we have the freedom to travel six months a year, right?  And so we're setting up the systems and processes to be able.  We, we created a vision for our lives  and we set up the systems and processes that allow us to be able to,  to follow that vision  again.

Another book, I know I brought up many books, but we read a lot is Patrick Lencioni's book called Three Que. Three Big Questions for a Frantic Family.  And it's about running your family like a business in that you have a culture for your family,  you have priorities for your family, you have a rallying cry for your family.  And you know, one of our family values is living a life outside of a box.  So then we adhere to that family value. So we know we are hiring a nanny who's a teacher, so that we don't have to put our kids in school and be stuck in one place,  right? And so it's completely in alignment with our family culture  and the vision of what we have for our kids.

So  and then I say the other thing is we believe in  work life integration.  We work together,  right? And  all of these businesses,  we go on walks and we're talking about the business, right? And so  for a while I know we felt like.  Almost like guilt, like we had to separate, we were like supposed to go on walks and not talk about the business and whatever.

But  you know what? It makes us ha happy. It lights us up. It's fun to talk about it. It's, it's fun to plan it. And so,  you know, we kind of, we involve our kids, you know, they hear about it. They, if we  go on a property tour and they're with us, they're with us, with us,  they travel with us everywhere.  And so they're getting a different experience of life  now.

Are there downsides? Of course, there's upsides and downsides of any way you live your life, right?  Our kids have probably less social interaction than they would have if they were in school.  The upside is, well, they get to see the world and they're having all these unique experiences of different places.  It's not to say that this is the best way to do it. You ultimately have to look at your values and you align your life with your values. And this is just  what our values are right now and how we align it.  And at some point, if it's not working, we change.  Like that's the cool thing. You can always change your mind and you can always change what you're doing.  So I think just understanding that our life will have periods of imbalance, that's the norm.  And then work life integration.  And then I think all the mindset work we do,  right? That allows us to interact with each other, the way that we interact with each other, because it makes things  a lot better than they could be.

If we work together, you know, on three different businesses and we're with each other 24 hours a day, nobody's going away to work. Right.  Yeah, I think, I think a big part of it  all those things are, are, are absolutely, pillars or important things that,  that we incorporate. But I think another big part of it  is that  when, when you have imbalances,  people oftentimes will beat themselves up, right?

Or, or start to feel  that guilty, right? Guilt is a big one, right?  So,  so everybody has some, some type of emotional home, right? Guilt is is a emotional home for a lot of people. And it used to be mine. Yeah, exactly. So it used to be mine, right? And so, so.  One of the keys with this work that we do, right?

Why do we keep going to  Tony Robbins events or we have other masterminds, other teachers that we go to.  It's not just Tony Robbins because we want to, you know, we're, we're students, right? We're students of this stuff  and we also teach it. So we want to make sure that  we are teaching people  not just from one person, but many different teachers, right?

And, and integrate all that. And so a big part of this, right, is  making sure that,  you know.  You're, you're mindful of  your thoughts,  right? And you're also mindful of those emotions that they generate.  And,  and if you're feeling guilt, it's often triggered by some type of a thought.  And this is all Bru Castillo if, if, if anybody's interested in learning about Bru Castillo.  But, but all these emotions that you're feeling, guilt or  feeling frustrated or angry or whatever you're feeling,  whatever your emotional home is,  is due to a number of different thoughts. And so.  One of the things that we practice, and we're not perfect by any means, but this is why we keep doing it, because  we're not perfect.

We're,  we're always working on it, right? Is  to make sure that our emotional home is  in a really elevated,  beautiful place, right?  There's joy, happiness, calm, confidence, peace, right? Those,  those really empowering emotions and energy. Right. Great energy, right? Like how, how many people feel tired, right?  But we don't, like, we're, we feel, most of the time we feel  truly energized.

Right? Most of the time, most of the time we are super energized and we're so excited about what we're doing.  We're passionate about what we're doing.  We love, like you said, teaching the course. You know, it's, people always ask us, you keep answering all the same questions like over and over again, even within the same course.

 Like, how do you do that? It's like, well, because.  You know, for  the person who's receiving, who's asking the question, it's the first time for them  asking the question, right? So  they deserve an answer,  right?  That is as good as, you know, the first time I answered it right, because it's the first time for them.

 And so that's kind of the passion, right? It's like we,  we wanna make sure that we're delivering that value. We're wanna make sure  we're, we have that impact. It energizes us, right? So,  so anyway, my point is, is that these are the types of feelings that we want to generate within us.  That really requires a discipline.

Really working on your mindset on an ongoing basis.  Having some type of a daily practice where you're,  you're strengthening your mind, you're  creating new  thought patterns, empowering thought patterns.  So these are the types of things that  I think that we do to help us not feel  those feelings of. Guilt or frustration or, or really feeling stressed about the time and those types of things as much as we, as we used to. Yeah. As much as we used to. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And I think just listening to you also to kind of summarize it, it's purpose. We have a really clear purpose  That is beyond ourselves.

Right. It's contribution  and it's continued growth because we are always learning,  we are always having,  you know, we call, we call them learning opportunities. We were always making mistakes and,  and, and, you know, falling down and picking ourselves up. And so that continued.  You know, contribution beyond ourselves a real strong why for what we're doing  and the growth piece of continued growth  that makes us very fulfilled.

And so when you are fulfilled, you have a different energy. That's it. 

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's fantastic. Yeah, I heard a quote once that was you can't control your first thought, but you can control your second.  And I love that. And I've been meditating on that and just thinking about it 'cause it's so true, you know? And what that second thought is, is gonna completely change your outcome, you know, maybe for the rest of the day.

 And so really important to, to think through that.  Gosh, wow. This has been so great. I could stay up and talk with you guys all night, but I want to be  respectful of your time  and, and really appreciate it.  Definitely folks reach out to, to Liddy and Kenji and  semi-retired MD and we'll have all the links in the show notes if you want to learn more.

Gosh, it's been awesome hearing about your guys' journey. I can't wait to have you back, see, see where things go and, and see what other spoke you have off the business in another year or two. So it's been fantastic.

Dr. Letizia Alto and Dr. Kenji Asakura: Likewise. It's been really incredible spending time with you. Thank you.

Dr. Alex Schloe: You're, you're so welcome. Thank you so much. Well, with that, it's been  Leti, Kenji, and Alex with another episode of the Physicians and Properties Podcast signing off.  

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