How To Reinvent Your Physician Career And Still Make An Impact With Dr. John Jurica

🎙️ Welcome back to another insightful episode of the Physicians and Properties Podcast with your host, Dr. Alex Schloe!

💡 What if the burnout you're feeling isn’t a dead end—but a signpost pointing to something better? What if pivoting out of clinical practice didn’t mean abandoning medicine—but reimagining it on your terms?

In this episode, Dr. John Jurica—a board-certified family physician, former Chief Medical Officer, urgent care co-owner, and founder of the Physician Nonclinical Careers podcast—joins us to talk about how physicians can reclaim control of their time, energy, and purpose by exploring nontraditional paths.

🩺 From launching his own medical practice to leading a hospital system, starting four urgent care clinics, and building a physician-focused education platform, Dr. Jurica shares a powerful perspective on what's possible when we stop settling—and start designing careers we love.

💡 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

✔️ How Dr. Jurica transitioned from full-time clinical work to CMO to entrepreneur
 ✔️ What it’s really like to co-own a multi-site urgent care operation
 ✔️ Why he believes most doctors are never told about nonclinical career options
✔️ The five biggest myths holding physicians back from career freedom
✔️ A peek into his 8-year podcast journey and 70+ nonclinical job types
✔️ How residential assisted living caught his attention—and why he joined the RAL Room Mastermind
✔️ The critical role of coaching, community, and mindset in career pivots

🔥 Key Takeaways:

✔️ You’re not “abandoning medicine” by pivoting—you’re redefining how you serve
 ✔️ Urgent care and DPC can offer autonomy and fulfillment in today’s broken system
 ✔️ Nonclinical roles often pay just as well—and can offer more time, freedom, and impact
 ✔️ Every physician should know they have options, even if they choose to stay clinical
✔️ Legacy isn’t built in burnout—it’s built in clarity, courage, and calling

From urgent care ownership to podcasting and physician coaching, Dr. Jurica’s story is proof that you don’t need to burn out to level up—you just need to know what’s possible. If you're a physician who's ready to explore new paths, build diversified income, and rediscover your why—this episode is your starting point.

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Transcript

Dr. John Jurica:  And when it comes down to it, your life's gonna be a lot better if you do something you really love and enjoy and you're good at, you know, like we're all looking for.

And actually I do see a lot of younger people. Really starting to think, you know, this through, you know, 'cause I mean, even I think you've seen the same thing. You've got, like people in residency coming to figure out how to buy real estate or to go into, you know, some obscure job.

 Dr. Alex Schloe: Welcome to the Physicians and Properties Podcast, the show where we teach you how investing in real estate can give you the freedom to practice medicine and live life how you want. Doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor. Now here's your host, Dr. Alex Schloe.

 Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the Physicians and Properties podcast.  As always, I'm so grateful for you taking the time to listen to another episode.  This was a really fun podcast episode with Dr. John Jarika.  He is an incredible board certified family physician  who completed his medical degree in family medicine residency at the University of  Illinois.

 He began doing nonclinical side jobs early in his career. He was a, hospital physical advisor, medical editor, medical director. He then worked as a CMO of a large hospital for over 15 years, and then he decided to partner and start up an urgent care in 2014 where he continues to serve as the co-owner and medical director.

That urgent care has now grown to four clinics, and we talk about how you could start an urgent care clinic and what that may look like for And then in 2017, John started producing the Weekly Physician Nonclinical Careers podcast. He's been podcasting for over eight years, where he presents interviews with physicians and unconventional clinical and nonclinical jobs, or folks that have income diversification.

And I just had the honor to be on his podcast talking about investing in real estate and residential assisted living. So go ahead and give the Physician  Nonclinical Careers Podcast a listen after this episode.  And then in 2018, John created the Nonclinical Career Academy, which is an online educational membership for physicians who are seeking nonclinical and unconventional clinical careers.

This was a fantastic episode, and we talk all about different career paths that you may be able to take that are nonclinical or maybe a little bit less clinical.  In fact, John has a list on his website of over 70 nonclinical.  Side jobs that you could consider if you are a burnt out physician. If you were thinking, Hey, maybe I need  something else.

Maybe I need to do something else, maybe I'm being called in another direction,  then this is the podcast episode for you.  I would just ask that you share this with another physician colleague  who may benefit.  That is how the podcast grows.  So without any further ado, let's get started  with today's episode with Dr. John Jurica.

 Welcome to the Physicians and Properties Podcast. I'm so glad to have you on the podcast today. All the way from Chicago. How are things going?

Dr. John Jurica: Things are going great. It's very nice and warm here. The weather's fantastic for a change, and I'm happy to be here with you, Alex. There's a lot we could talk about and I've been looking forward to it.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, me too. I'm, I'm really looking forward to it. It was great being on your podcast a couple days ago and glad to return the favor and way more excited to learn about your journey than for folks to hear about mine. So we'll go ahead and

get started. Do you mind telling folks just a little bit about yourself?


 Dr. John Jurica: well let's see. I'm a family physician. I grew up in the Chicago area. I've stayed in the Chicago area my whole life. I went into practice after finishing my family medicine residency, not, kind of in the boondocks of Chicago. So I've always lived since I've finished out in a very, like an exer, but you might call it out kind of three or four.

Cornfields from downtown Chicago. But but it was great practicing there. It had a low, you know, low key kind of environment. I did family medicine for a while and then some of the things that I deal with a lot in my podcast and what I do on the side started to happen to me and it was burnout and stress and so on and so forth, the usual thing.

 And so I became interested in doing something else. So I ended up working as a medical director. And then as the chief medical officer for a hospital, I stopped practicing completely for three years. And then I got an itch to do something different, entrepreneurial. And so I left my CMO job and.

Partnered with someone who was looking for a medical director and a partner to start an urgent care facility, clinic, a series of clinics really in on the north side of Chicago. So unfortunately, I had to drive 90 miles each way for the first five or six years, 15 times a month. But we can go into why I made that decision.

But, so I did that from 14 to, I'm still doing that. I'm part-time medical director now. In the meantime, I thought, well, you know, I can maybe help people with some of the things I went through. So I started a podcast and then started some online courses and some mentoring and did a couple of summits in the last three or four years on those topics.

And that kind of brings you up to where I am now. Let you go from there.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome, John. Yeah. You have worn many hats, that's for sure. And it's, it's been cool to hear about your journey. How did you you know, we've never had anyone on the podcast talk about owning a, a clinic outside of like maybe their own direct primary care clinic. What got you into urgent care and what kind of got you excited about owning an urgent care, co-owning and urgent care?

Dr. John Jurica: Yeah. I'll, I'll go and yeah, I can tell you about that. I had, luckily I had, when I went into practice, I joined two others. I became a partner in that, so I kind of  knew how to run a practice partially. I had another partner, did most of it, but then I split from them, started my own practice, hired a couple of other doctors, and then I went to the CMO thing.

But after 15 years of working in the hospital, I just thought, well, this is how it really happened. Okay. I was sought out by someone else, so this is something I didn't plan. I was getting a little itchy. I was like, you know, I've only got maybe one more major change in my life, you know, from the standpoint of my career, and I didn't know exactly what I was going to do, and someone reached out on LinkedIn.

He was searching for a partner and a medical director for the urgent care center that he wanted to start. Now he was in private equity. His brother's in private equity, and they. They were dealing with buying up urgent care centers. So I guess he had had five or six years experience in doing that. And it looked so attractive to him.

He thought, well, I wanna get on the other side, start my own urgent care and maybe get enough clinics to sell in five to 10 years. So he is looking for me, you know, he asked me, I thought, well, the distance is a little bit of a problem. We didn't have a clinic then, but I knew it was gonna be way up on the north side of Chicago.

And so we met and he  kind of talked me into it. You know, I had some ownership as a partner, which I didn't have to. I think I invested 25 grand, but it was really just nominal for what I got. So he's definitely the general partner. He's the biggest owner. I think now I own 13%. But he said, yeah, the plan is to get this thing going over the next five or 10 years.

We should get to five clinics at least, and then we should sell the whole thing cash out at the end. And it sounded pretty good. Then there was that little thing called the pandemic that hit. Now that was not helpful. I. So they've kind of put things on a horizontal line for a while instead of an upward line.

But I enjoyed, you know, doing the medical director roles. I did work 15 shifts a month, so I was seeing patients eight to 10, 12 hours a day when I was there. The weekends were the shorter days. And but when I reached, when I got a little bit older and my 10 years, you know, had already passed, I explained to him, you know.

It's going a little longer than I thought it would. So if you don't mind, I wanna step back as medical director. So I'm actually in the process of handing that off to another physician and I don't know if you're familiar with the concept of, well, there's restrictions in certain states in Illinois included that a non-physician cannot own a physician practice.

It's those are rules against the corporate practice of medicine. So in Illinois and a lot of other states, hospitals and physicians are the only two that can actually quote. Own a physician practice. So there was really no way he could do it without, so we actually have this weird setup where we have two different LLCs.

One I own, one he owns, we have four bank accounts. It's very complicated and, but it's worked. And so, you know, to unwind it's a little bit. Difficult, but I'll still be a part owner, you know, a minority owner, and then I'll kind of fade off into the sunset and do my podcast or whatever, and hopefully at some point when this thing sells, then I'll get some kind of a payout that you would think I would know what that would be.

But there's no way to know what that's going to be unless we were to actually do, you know, an evaluation. Now we have some benchmarks we can look at to kind of get a sense what that should be. So, you know, it's fingers crossed that everything goes, but it, it's good. It's a good, we have four clinics now and they run very well.

We brought the billing in in-house, so we saving on that. The overhead is kept pretty much to a minimum, but it's high quality and so I have a lot of faith in it. And so that's that was why I made that big change.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's great. What were some other challenges that you might have experienced with getting those clinics started and some things that you learned that helped you grow the practice?

Dr. John Jurica: Well, let's see. I mean, there's a lot of things. I'm not technically the  managing partner, but we did a lot of things. I mean, we did  everything to focus on the patient care communication. There's certain things you can do with Google and Facebook and so forth where you, you know, you solicit reviews and if they're negative reviews, you intervene.

And if they're not negative, you post them and then you try and get the other ones converted. And, you know, we did everything from billboards to direct mail and but basically it's pretty much the basics of we were, we saw every patient, you know, like within 20 minutes. Generally, they're usually in and out in less than an hour, and our prices are low.

 And we just participated in the,  the, you know, chamber of Commerce and did the things we could do to have a good image and communicate. And we participated in the community in terms of anything we could do.  And it just, it grew. I mean, there's been, you know how physicians are under supplied now, and so it's tough.

And so especially the middle age 20 to age 30 or 40, I mean, they don't even wanna go to a doctor. They just wanna walk into a clinic, get what they need and get out. So. That's kind of the reason that he was pushing for that in the first place. It's just one of those things that people are looking for.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah. Yeah, definitely looking for speed and immediate gratification, that's for sure. Do you feel like the urgent care market is, is something that you would say physicians should  consider, you know, consider co-owning urgent care? Or is that something that you feel like maybe won't be as beneficial in the future as kind of healthcare shifting a little bit?

Dr. John Jurica: That's a good question because you know, the first time I ever worked in an urgent care center was in 1989. There, I didn't even think, you know, technically I didn't even know what it was, but there was a hospital, a rural hospital. It had an urgent care center across the street from its  er, which we never knew, and I was moonlighting there as a resident.

Now I didn't see any urgent care centers when I left that. For years, but then they started to crop up and I thought, okay, this must have played itself out. But actually there's still a need. And you've seen a lot of of new networks grow up. But what they're all doing now, they're in this con consolidation phase.

I mean, they're buying 5, 10, 15. There's some with 30 or 40 that are merging. So they have a hundred, you know, so. I think like for the small entrepreneur to do this on their own, you know, it probably wouldn't be my first choice if I was looking for a, let's say, a cash based business of some sort, whether it's in medicine or outside.

But there's probably other ways you could get involved, you know, maybe with a, with a network that at some point is gonna grow to maybe eight or 10 and then, you know, sell. So yeah, there might be other opportunities that are a little better now than they were 15 years ago.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah. Is that the ultimate plan? Take those four or five clinics, roll it up and sell it to, to a bigger company. Okay. That's awesome.

 
Dr. John Jurica: That was the plan. So every time I talk to my partner it's like, okay, are we still on the same plan? And you know, he'd like to get to five or six 'cause we're right now at four.  And there's other times where he thinks, you know, I kinda like doing this so we might have to figure out some way to buy me out.

You know,

so we, I'm not really that concerned, you know, 'cause I don't really need to to extricate myself. But yeah, I'm still thinking that he'll probably wanna walk away and do something as well himself.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.  John, you've been podcasting since 2017, right?

Dr. John Jurica: I think that's right. It's eight years. Yeah. Eight years.

Dr. Alex Schloe: about right. Public

math. Yeah.

Yeah, it sounds right. What are some impactful stories that have stood out or lessons that you've learned from your guest over that time?

Dr. John Jurica: Oh my gosh. Well, let's see. I've done weekly podcasts for over eight years, so I have 400 episodes. I've been amazed by some of the jobs that I didn't know existed and, and the, and also what the, the jobs The physicians really loved, like I didn't realize there was such a thing as a medical director for a life insurance company or A CMO.

 And I met a, I met  one guy who was an author and a CMO for a life insurance company, and another doctor who was a medical director, and I think now she's like a VP or something.  And just listening to them. It's very interesting work. It's very intellectually challenging. It pays well and it's hard to get those jobs because those people never retire.

They'll, I mean,  they might retire, but they don't leave. They don't jump around because the jobs are so awesome.  You know, it's like 40 hours a week or less. It's very easy. You have nice teams, good benefits, good hours, and so that was one. I talked to one guest who was a. CMO for a Medicare administrative contractor.

So I dunno if you, you've worked in hospitals before, although may, I dunno, military or not,  but there's something called a Mac and they're the ones that approved payment for Medicare for hospitals. And I know of that because when I was chief medical officer, I was always.  Fighting with the max and fighting with the what do they call 'em?

They have judges that have to decide whether a case should be, it can go to that level. Administrative judges that decide if you're gonna get paid for, you know, someone that came with cancer surgery or heart surgery or something like that.  And I didn't realize that the max actually higher. Physicians and a Mac is not actually the government, but it works for the government and that's an awesome job.

It's remote job. The woman I talked to was working from home. She was like a, an academic obstetrician, gynecologist. I don't maybe doing cancer care for.  You know  women.  And, but she had to move 'cause her husband moved and she found this awesome job, great benefits, hours, work from home, flexible. So there's actually all kinds of jobs that people have never heard of out there like that.

The other one that I, I have to mention this, I, I should say that this person  and his business is one of the sponsors of my podcast, but I,  the reason he is my sponsor is because I'm so enthralled with what he does. So this guy, he was a psychiatrist and he actually started, like a national string of psychiatry clinics and when he got tired of it, he sold it.

I have no idea the terms of that, but then he decided he wanted to do something else. One of the things he was doing on the side was he was a a he did medical legal consulting.  wasn't an expert witness, although he had worked as an expert witness as well, which he loved to do. But he created something that really no one had ever heard of before medical legal consulting.

And what it is, is being a consultant to attorneys for personal injury cases and workers' comp, and so that.  Basically that position is completely remote. You never have to go to court.  Basically you do chart reviews, you summarize the care of the patient, and you find out things that were missed, things that would lead to better payment the need for, you know, lifelong care.

Sometimes, you know what happens, you get, you get injured in a car accident and they focus in the ER and your head injury and. Lo and behold, maybe three, four months later, not only do you have a head injury, but you have depression as a result of the injury. You have, you know, some injury to your leg and you've  developed what I used to call reflex sympathetic dystrophy, which has a new term, but that, but a lot of people know that, and you know, so you can get a lot more money anyway.

You just get paid. You work on your own schedule and now he coaches to teach people how to do that. But it's, I was this close to doing it 'cause it just sounded so interesting and so flexible, you know? And particularly something you can do while you're still in practice or you could put it off and kind of use that as your segue into retirement.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, that's really cool. I, there's so many jobs out there. It's so unique to, to hear from you and hear some of these different, you know, nonclinical jobs that exist or even like.  You know, some degree of clinical work still of course. And so it's awesome. 'cause I feel like a lot of times folks feel like they're stuck and they feel like they have that golden stethoscope or golden handcuffs and they, they're stuck in their clinical job and they don't know what to do and they're really burnt out.

And it's, there's options that are out there. Some of these really unique jobs. Maybe something that works for you where you can get some balance and work from home and still make a good income or you know, go to the office a couple days a week or just work on your own time. And so it's really cool to hear that these opportunities do exist.

 Dr. John Jurica: Yeah. There's two things. First comment I wanna make about that is that, when you're in training, they don't want you to know that those things exist. You'll very rarely have a professor or a mentor or whatever tell you that, well, you look like you're a little fried. You know, keep in mind, once you're in practice, you could try some other things.

They won't ever tell you that. So they keep it from us. That's number one. Which is not good.  And the other thing I was gonna say is then we come up and we have these, these beliefs systems, and, part of what I do when I'm talking to people, when I'm on the podcast and certain guests will even focus on this, these myths that we have.

And if it's okay, I'm gonna go down those five myths just real quickly.

Dr. Alex Schloe: I was gonna ask you, it is a mindset block, so Miss Will

 Dr. John Jurica: Yeah. And these are a little different and they're just basically, they're just false beliefs. They're, you know, we all get like imposter syndrome. We get these psychological barriers and things that, you know, I'm not worth it or I can't do that. But there's these like mistaken concepts that are just wrong, like.

 There's no, there's no jobs for physicians out there that aren't clinical. Okay. That's obviously, we know that's bunk. I could, I have a list of 70 minimum that are just titles, and that doesn't include all the variations on there.  Know some of those are self-employed, some of those employed by other people.

 And then another one is that I'm abandoning my patients. 90% of the nonclinical jobs you do, you're helping patients in some way. A matter of fact is when I was CMO. I helped way more patients as CMO than I did as a physician. I mean, we were, we were a top 100 hospital. I could show you on paper. Our mortality rate was lower.

I probably saved indirectly or directly, you know, dozens of patients every year just based on the quality of care. And that's true in all these jobs for the most part.  What are the other ones? I have, I might have to look at a list, but the things like,  I can't make enough money again.  The baseline is you can't really hire a physician unless you can pull 'em away from their previous job.

And if they're already working and they're making a decent salary, then whatever you're gonna do is gonna make a decent salary. And oftentimes, if you look at the hourly rate, you're actually making a lot more.  A lot of the stuff that we do, we don't really, those hours aren't counted, you know? Oh, you, I'm in the clinic only four days a week for eight hours.

Yeah. But you work 65 hours a week. Well, how is that?  And let's see what else? Oh, another one that comes up is, you know, am I still gonna be a physician if I do these jobs? Am I gonna really still get the respect?  Okay. Number one, everyone that I talk to that has any one of these jobs, whether they're doing any clinical or not, is still called Doctor for sure.

But actually.  In some cases, like for me,  take for example, so I was working as a family doctor in a, in a hospital. I had no clout and really as a family physician, especially with some of the surgeons, the OR particular's big departments, you know, surgery and ER and ortho, whatever. And when I became C-M-O-C-M-O.

I was the one everyone was coming to. I, you know, I felt like I was up here now instead of being down here. So, you know, so these things they're just things we're not aware of. And when it comes down to it, your life's gonna be a lot better if you do something you really love and enjoy and you're good at, you know, like we're all looking for.

And actually I do see a lot of younger people. Really starting to think, you know, this through, you know, 'cause I mean, even I think you've seen the same thing. You've got, like people in residency coming to figure out how to buy real estate or to go into, you know, some obscure job. It's like, wow, how'd you even think through this?

You know, do I need an MBA do? What should I do? You know, so.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, it's really cool to see that pendulum start to swing and I, I think it's really helpful. I think it's helpful for physicians. I think it's helpful for patients. Ultimately, I,

I'm a firm believer that some degree of, of passive income, and I say that in quotations 'cause nothing is truly passive, but some degree of passive income or some side hustle.

Is gonna make you a better spouse, it's gonna make you a better parent, it's gonna make you a better doctor, you're gonna take better care of patients. 'cause you're not gonna feel that like overwhelming weights if I have to see more and more and more and work more and, you know, do more all the time in that physician job.

And so I think it's important and I think that you know, there's a lot of amazing resources out there, like your podcast white Coat Investor, you know, Leti and Kenji with semi-retired md. There's a ton of resources that are available now. That folks can see like, Hey, I don't have to just be in the clinic every day seeing 20 to 25 patients per day feeling overwhelmed and feeling that burnout.

There are some other options and so I'm really grateful for that and I think it's gonna be those doctors who really change healthcare down the road. I think, I think having that extra space to step back and look at what's, you know, quote unquote broken and figure out, hey, how can we fix this? Or at least make this a better working system is gonna be really, really.

Important. So I, I'm just grateful for folks like yourself and, and, and those other folks that we're able to, to share what we're doing and, and help with that.

 Dr. John Jurica: And you know, along those lines I wanna put a plug in for something that I didn't really knew know existed like till a year or two ago. I think it started out as concierge medicine, but direct primary care.  Oh man. If I was starting out in family medicine, I would jump on that bandwagon right now. 'cause I have talked to some of the docs doing that and they are, they love their practice.

It's just unreal.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Direct primary care is amazing. I'm actually gonna, gonna work at A DPC next, once I get back from this Europe trip. And just part-time, but really looking forward to, to helping the, the clinic grow and expand. And I, I love the business side of things too, so it's like this beautiful blend of.

Business and still seeing

patients and having time to spend with them and build relationships and yeah, really, really looking forward to it. I love, yeah, I love Direct Primary care, so I think that's a perfect example of, of folks having the courage to step out and say like, Hey, this system's broken. My job is, is not as gratifying as I want it to be, and I want to take back some control.

And so Direct Primary Care is a great example of that.

Dr. John Jurica: Yeah, I'll have to have you on the podcast, on my podcast again after. After you do that because it's, I just talked to the people I've spoken with. I mean, they really feel like they have time for their patients. They have close relationships, and that third party just totally, the insurance company is out of it.

 So none of those things you have to worry about when you're billing. It's just, it's a major, and I think. The system is gonna fix itself or someone's gonna come up with something because it's becoming, it's reaching the breaking point in terms of, I understand why patients are so disgruntled themselves.

They're not really fulfilled when they come in for a visit, so,

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, it's so, it's so tough when they're, when they're feel like they're on the conveyor

belt and you know, I don't know about about you, but myself, I love getting to know my patients and build a relationship with them and try and figure out, okay, like what's actually impacting their health? But when you have five minutes with them or 10 minutes with them,

you know, and it's just churn and burn, it's really hard to do that.

And I think until we realize that.  That primary care preventative medicine. Until we realize that that needs to be the forefront and the cornerstone of the medical system in America, we're gonna continue to have really poor health outcomes and really high expenditures and high mortality and all these sorts of things that we're seeing.  My fear is that we, we.  As a country, don't figure that out until it's too late. And I, I think we're getting close to that. I mean, look at, look at the access issues that we're seeing now. My grandma was telling me that her primary care doc just for, just for like a annual physical, can't see her for six months.

You know, and for an acute issue, it's like three, three and a half months. And, and you know, and we're seeing that everywhere, even in the

military, we're starting to see those access times creep up. And so it's, it's. It's gonna have to change. Helpful for the urgent care business for sure. But but it, it's gonna have to change and, you know, it's heartbreaking that it, it, it ultimately leads to worsen patient outcomes.

So  yeah, I don't wanna get on too much of a

rate there 'cause I could go all day long.

Dr. John Jurica: Pretty, I'm pretty hopeful though because, I mean, there are a lot of smart people out there. People are trying different things and I think, and the government knows that the cost right now is sky ratting for, without really too much return in terms of improvement. So it's, something's gonna have to change.

So I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully there's a doctor there when I, when I need them.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Absolutely, absolutely. Just move down to Colorado Springs. I'll see you in the DPC

Okay.

 And, sounds good, John. Well in regards to, to the podcast, so we talked about  success patterns. We talked about some mindset blocks or some myths. Is there anything else that you've, that you've learned that's really stuck out over, you know, the last eight years as you've been podcasting and networking with all these physicians? In terms the Nonclinical Career Academy and and some of the things that they've done, is there any other advice or anything else that sticks out?

 Dr. John Jurica: Yeah. I mean, as far as. Things are changing. So I'm, I'm, I feel good about that. And there's a lot more opportunities and people are trying to fix these things.  Everyone that really, if they stop and they look around and they network and talk to their friends and other people they may have went to residency with and training, you know, medical school, they'll find that they found solutions.

And so there are solutions out there.  There's no reason why you need to be, you know, miserable practicing. You either. Should stop practicing and do something else in a measured way you know, or. Find something that, and clinically that will make you happy and feel satisfied. So it's, it's out there. So don't let your, you know, your hesitancy and, and your fear of change stop you.

 There's a lot of resources out there. I actually, you know, if you're really, really stuck, I think the thing is get a coach. There are hundreds of physicians who coach other physicians on career change or even just.  Then the life, you know, life coaching and health coaching, business coaching, executive coaching.

There's a coach for everything. And as physicians we don't typically use coaches. You, that was routine when I was CMO. I mean, we all went to see an executive coach. Our CEO had one, and then he shared his with all of us. And  we did, you know, a little mini masterminds once a month and.  So there's resources and you really just don't know what you don't know a lot of times.

And so just reach out to someone you know, and if you need a direction, contact me. I'll tell you some of the coaches I know that are fantastic and, but you can you can easily find a coach, which will, sometimes that's all you need just to get over that hump. And then once you decide what you wanna do, you just follow it.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's great. And you know, I think not being afraid to take that next step, you know, whether that is finding a coach or whether that is telling your boss, Hey, I'm gonna cut back a little bit. I'm  feeling really burnt out and I need to have some space, or whatever that may be. I know it always. Feels, you know, any of those conversations or decisions always feel so heavy.

 Then after you do it, you're like, man, that was a, that wasn't bad at all. Like, what was I waiting for? And so I empathize with everyone who's, who's listening to this that we're, we're in your corner. And, and you can absolutely

do that.  John, let's pivot a little bit. I

know you're kind of pivoting more towards real estate investing.

You recently joined the RALRoom and Assisted Living Mastermind, so we're so glad that they're, that you're there. What sparked your interest in residential assisted living specifically?

 Dr. John Jurica: Oh this. A lot of fortuitous things happen. First of all my wife opened a business 16 years ago and it was a franchise and it was a home helpers franchise, so she was taking care of seniors in their homes and both she. Myself, our parents died in our homes, well in their homes. Particularly mine. I have nine siblings, and so my parents died three, four years ago and we were all present at their bedside when they died.

And that's how people want to really die. And they don't wanna die in a hospital bed. They don't wanna die in, you know, another circumstance. And so your listeners are well familiar with other options for that. So if you could be in a homelike environment and be cared for at the end of your life. So that's why, you know, in my wife's sold her business.

 So that generated a little cash. And then I heard, I mean, I couldn't believe it. It was like it was fortuitous that I heard through a podcast guest, through another podcast guest. I ended up finding you and hearing about this. Now, oddly enough, there's a physician who owns a quote nursing home in my town, my little town.

 Well, when I started looking into the, the, this issue, you know, his family style kind of assisted living.  Turns out that's what he owns. Actually, he's already sold it to somebody else, and I didn't even know that it was, you know, that type of facility. He, I think he has either 12 or 16 beds. And so I saw that.

And then I heard about you through another guest. I think you spoke maybe at her, at her meet her, one of her meetings or something.  Anyway, so that has got me interested in this whole idea of assisted living at, you know, the smaller kind of homey type of situation. So I'm gonna try and figure out all I can and impart on my own.

And I, apart from you.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Hey, that sounds awesome. We're, we're excited to have you  in the mastermind and teach you more. And, you know, there's such a huge need for assisted living as a whole, and we think residential assisted living is the best way to do that, to really provide that personalized care that folks need at, at the end of life and that community, which is beautiful.

And I think you brought up a great point too. A lot of times these  residential. Settings or these residential assisted living homes are right in your neighborhood or right in your backyard and you don't even know it, which

is really cool, especially when you think about it from the patient perspective of, you know, no, nobody wants to leave their home.

Dr. John Jurica: Right. Especially in, you know, towards the end of the life they've lived in that home forever. It's heartbreaking to have to sell or to move and but it makes it a little bit less heartbreaking when you can still stay in your neighborhood and go into an assisted living home. And so that's another aspect that's just really, really cool about residential assisted living.

Yeah, I think a lot of families, you know, they, they worry about their parents and, but they don't have the, the, there's no way they can like bring them into their home if they're not able to take care of themselves.  To have someplace you can drive to in less than 30 minutes and visit 'em anytime you like.

And  so that's, it's really got me excited. I wanna learn as much as I can. And my wife is a great advisor because she really loves seniors and that's what she did for a long time. And we're both, you know, we both have obviously the healthcare background and of course I was a,  I was on the board of a hospice for 15 years.

I mean, so.  There's a lot of inner, inner lacing and inner overlapping of these things, and it just sounds like it's too good to be true, so I'm gonna check it out.

Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, absolutely. You and your wife are, are the perfect team when it comes to owning and operating one, so I'm excited to see how things go and excited to see you get a home and get that started and hopefully get, get more after that, which will be amazing. That's awesome, John.  What, you know, so let's talk a little bit about your platform in the podcast and for folks who are looking to, get out of the current job or, or wanna reach out to you and learn more. Is there a good way to do that?

 Dr. John Jurica: Several ways now. The podcast, you know, it's been out there. You can find it on any podcast site, but it's called Physician Nonclinical Careers. And you know, it's just, you got all kinds of things you can learn about if you're interested. Now the website is out there too. Nonclinical physicians.com.

If you prefer, you can go there and actually listen to the podcast episodes. Sometimes that's easier and you'll see a link there if listeners are interested because there's like a freebie, you know, a little download you can get that has 70 careers on it that you might look at and just jar, you know, some thoughts in your mind as to, oh, that sounds interesting.

I didn't even know that existed. So you get that at the website. And then I have a membership. So I started doing, you know, some lectures and.  Actually, it's a combination of lectures and webinars and conversations with other people and put 'em on a site. So that's called the Nonclinical Career Academy.

 And so those have been kind of piling up. I think I was just like 30, 30, 30 products there, you know, of some sort. So a lecture or a, or an interview with somebody. That kind of thing. And I have a Q and a. I was doing Q and as weekly for a while, and so I have like 70. Little 10, 15 minute q and a sessions on there.

So that's at nonclinical career academy.com. You could look at that and those are the main things.

Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome. We'll make,  we'll be sure to put those links in the show notes as well.  John, is there anything else you wanna hit on before we wrap things up?

 Dr. John Jurica: No I think that's all. I, I would tell people that if they ever wanna reach out to me, they can find me on LinkedIn and they can just go to john.reka.md at gmail.com because.  People sometimes just call me or send me a note, you know, an email if they have a question, I'll just answer it directly, you know, straight up.

I don't,  I don't do a lot of actual paid coaching, so if someone asks me a question, I'm gonna give 'em my advice for free.  So

Dr. Alex Schloe: Awesome. Yeah.  Thanks for doing that. And thanks for all the physicians that you've helped and you've changed their lives and, and you've held, helped them be more present with their family, with their spouse, and take better care of patients. So really, really appreciate that, John, and everything that you've done.

 Dr. John Jurica: it's been my pleasure.

 Dr. Alex Schloe: Awesome. Well, with that, it's been Dr. John Jurica and Dr. Alex Schloe with another episode of the Physicians and Properties Podcast signing off.

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