Soup Sandwich
Welcome to Soup Sandwich, a podcast that explores the complex and compelling world of veterans in the United States. Through interviews with veterans themselves, military experts, and advocates, we'll dive deep into the issues that matter most to this community, from mental health and employment, to the history of veterans in the US and the future of military service. This podcast is supported by the generous contribution of the members of VFW Post 3033.
Soup Sandwich
From Battlefields to Backyards: Uniting Veterans' Voices on Combat, Community, and the Civilian Stride
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As the sun set over Post 3033 VFW, I couldn't help but reflect on the profound journey from military boots to civilian shoes, one that all of us at the Soup Sandwich podcast know all too well. We're peeling back the layers of duty and life after service, from discussing the raw emotions linked to combat experiences in Iraq, to wading through the murky waters of international relations and the contentious politics that shape our veteran lives. With the comradery that can only be fostered under fire, my co-hosts and I share laughs, swap stories of ingenuity in the face of insufficient armor, and bring personal insights into the evolution of enemy tactics that kept us on our toes in places like Ramadi and Scania.
Imagine the hearty Wisconsin hunters joining forces with veterans and a Purple Heart recipient in the event Red Dawn happens in real life —in this episode, it's our reality as Roy Thomas joins us, adding depth to our tales. In the true spirit of the Soup Sandwich, we tackle topics with a mix of military rigor and civilian curiosity, musing over everything from the potency of Wisconsin's hunters to the peculiarities of Harley Davidson purchases. The diversity of our discussions mirrors life's unpredictable nature, and that's just how we like it. We traverse through debates on the nuances of geopolitics, the ever-evolving landscape of warfare, and even pause to appreciate the stories etched into military badges.
To wrap it up, we take a moment to honor the melting pot of experiences and opinions that is the veteran community. Our mission goes beyond the microphone as we highlight critical issues facing our fellow servicemen and women, from mental health to the struggle for gainful employment. And just when you think we've covered it all, we whisk you away to AJ's Sky Lounge for some final, unscripted banter. It's an episode of the Soup Sandwich podcast where every moment is steeped in authenticity, and every story is served with a side of real life—seasoned with a hint of humor, of course.
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War is a paradox. It has the power to bring nations together, to inspire heroism and sacrifice and to forge bonds of camaraderie that will span a lifetime, but it also has the power to tear families apart, to shatter communities and to leave scars that will never fully heal. And, for those who have served, the transition back to civilian life can be one of the greatest challenges they will ever face. This is the typical life of military veterans, a world that is both familiar and foreign to most of us. It is a world that is shaped by unique experiences, values and traditions of the military and by the sacrifices and struggles of those who have served, but it's also a world that is constantly changing, as new generations of veterans confront new challenges and new opportunities. Thank you for joining us at Soup Sandwich. Dig your foxhole, heat up your MRE and spend some time with us.
Speaker 1This podcast is designed solely for entertainment and, occasionally, informational purposes only, and is to be regarded strictly as satire. Comprising of veterans, it delves into their thoughts and experiences in combat, as well as their perspectives on various aspects of daily life that may be unsettling for certain listeners. This podcast is not suitable for individuals under the age of 18. The views articulated in this podcast may not necessarily align with those of the National VFW VFW Department of Michigan or VFW Post 3033. Additionally, we kindly request that listeners refrain from pursuing legal action against the creators or contributors of this podcast. In other words, please don't sue us.
Speaker 2What's going on, everybody? Welcome to another episode of Soup Sandwich. Got a few friends around the table. We'll start with me, since I'm the most important. I'm Brett Holbrook, founder of the Soup Sandwich podcast. Member of Post 3033 VFW. Let's go this way around the table.
Speaker 3Trey Porter, post member 3033. I'm also the vice president of the Post 33 Writers Group. Also, I have the honorary distinction of being the most handsome member of Post 3033. You're running a close second, roy.
Speaker 4I'm Roy Thomas, just a member of the VFW, Post 3033. First time welcome Thanks.
Speaker 8Purple Heart, by the way.
Speaker 5Winner? I don't think that's a winner.
Speaker 8Purple Heart awarded recipient.
Speaker 5I'm Charlie Klein, life member at Post 3333 and the Writers Group president, sound of freedom.
Speaker 3Sound of freedom early tonight, cracking those pepsis early, that's right.
Speaker 8I'm Tim Arteby. I'm the Post Commander. Director of the Writers Group of Michigan, district Commander and founder of my Ass Okay.
Speaker 7I'm Joseph Gates, the head agent for Post 3333, and all around nerd.
Speaker 3All around, nerd, he's embracing it.
Speaker 5We got both nerds tonight, it's great.
Speaker 2One and two. I'm going to jump back real quick to the winning the Purple Heart Same thing. I hate it when people say you know, this guy won the Medal of Honor. Fucking win that shit.
Speaker 5None of us won it.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 2Damn Throw a large ship badge.
Speaker 4What Enemy marksmanship?
Speaker 6Oh fuck.
Speaker 7I've never heard of a call that before I haven't either.
Speaker 2That's pretty good. I'll have to tell Terry that Kind of reminds me of you. Guys might remember who was that said this, but you know, our job is not to die for our country but to make the other bastard die for his George.
Speaker 8Patton.
Speaker 2Yeah, of course.
Speaker 4Little Patton.
Speaker 2Oh shit.
Speaker 6So what are we?
Speaker 2talking about tonight.
Speaker 5Gentlemen, Well, I think first of all, since this is Roy's first podcast tonight, why don't you tell us a little bit about your service, where you were at things you did, the good, the bad, the ugly, what brought?
Speaker 8you to the post.
Speaker 5We're going to break you in right out the gate.
Speaker 8We're going to throw all the hardship at you. That's where we get moving on.
Speaker 5That way, anybody knew this listening kind of gets a feel, for you know they've heard us talk a million times.
Speaker 4I graduated high school 2001 from Mone Pleasants. That night I was on a plane to San Diego. Back then Michigan, you still had the choice of San Diego. You could go to either San Diego or Paris Island. You still had the choice. So obviously you know, we went to San Diego. I went in on a buddy program. I have a, my best friend from high school. We left that night. We were on a plane to San Diego. Went to bootcamp June. So I graduated bootcamp August 31st 2001. Came home for 10 days of leave. Flew back to California September 10th 2001.
Speaker 3What a great fucking time. Oh, I was going to say what a great year.
Speaker 4You were in school of infantry I had to check in to SOI on September 11th 2001. I remember we flew back to California. You know we were just drinking waters and stuff at the hotel, you know, because it was cold enough. It was like five o'clock in the morning somewhere in there and like our cell phones just started blowing up and I mean you know cell phone back then Early, still kind of primitive, but like we just bought them, you know like the 10th and stuff.
Speaker 4but uh, man, like our, they just started blowing up and I remember, you know, I answered and it was my mom and she was just like in tears, you know. She's like what's going to happen? We were like what's going on?
Speaker 8We had no idea.
Speaker 4We were not even awake yet. Uh, you know, they told us to turn on TV, so we cranked on the TV and we were just like, oh shit, yeah, you know, just got an eye opening.
Speaker 5you know, like I was actually on a 25 miler out at 29 palms. Oh guys, his phones were ringing while we were hiking and that's how we found people calling from East Coast, calling the West Coast. You know, my wife got woke up at, you know, six o'clock in the morning, 5, 30 in the morning.
Speaker 5She was out there and she was, yeah, she was in California with me and then you know everybody back here it's 9 30. So it's three hours bad until six 30, whatever. There, you know, the first planes were hitting. She had no freaking idea, man. So I I get it Like what's going on. What do you mean?
Speaker 4So we turned it on. You know, and just watching it and I don't like a little panic set in, you know, you're 18 years old, you're, you know, all the way across the country and just starting on this new and journey, you just got a boot camp. You know that was treacherous, you know, at the beginning. And then obviously you go, you graduate, become marine, and now you got to go check into your school and it's almost that that repetitive. Like you made it to the, you know, the top line of like boot camp. Now you're starting all over at S O I to learn a whole new field. So you're jumping back in, you know, to another big pond and so you have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 4So we go and we check into S O I and it was just chaos there. You know all the instructors are. I mean they're running around the yelling and screaming and they're like, oh, you boys better get off training. You can't cause you could be gone tomorrow, like we're going to war and just sheer chaos. But I ended up going, got through S O I, went to a unit to force like I'm tying fourth Marines. We were attached to the fifth Marines in San Mateo. You know, go into some history there. The fourth Marines are never allowed to fly their colors, their regimental colors, in the United States again. That's why the fourth Marine regimental building is in Okinawa.
Speaker 6Japan.
Speaker 4But so for Marines are attached to different infantry units here stateside. So we were attached to the fifth Marines and lo and behold, I mean we went to Okinawa in 2002. I was supposed to come back in 03. We were in Korea doing some training and the war ended up kicking off around then. So they did a stop, a stop move on. The whole military Ended up, you know, spent another six months in Okinawa, did some time on ship, some training in Tinian and Tinian Guam, and came home in January of 03 and went and did a mountain warfare training package, because at that time we started thinking we were, or, while we were, it was on the radar that we were heading to the mountains of Afghanistan.
Speaker 4And then, february 04, we got shipped to Iraq. We flew into Kuwait, did some acclimatizations there and shoveled up to Avramadi, iraq. And then a fateful day of April 6th, april 6th 2004. Sheared chaos.
Speaker 4We stepped out on the MSR suite and, you know, immediately we found an IED buried and we called for EOD, you know which was SOP, and they came back and they were swamped already. It was just it ended up being like a coordinated attack from, you know, the opposing forces and they just started hitting Iraq. So they came on the radio and said hey, if you guys take care of it, move on. So you know we detonated it and kept moving on. Then we found another one. We did a you know a HD 360 for security to try, and you know, just gather and go from there. But we went through the tank graveyard which was just an area on the MSR suite. We had a sniper team out there, you know, hidden, and we got down around that second IED and the snipers radioed on the you know on the radio there that their position was compromised and they were taking fire. One of the squads went back and, as soon as they got into the area, all hell broke loose.
Speaker 4I mean all the gunfire, and we heard it, and then we started taking gunfire. I jump up on the road, combat engineer follows with me and we start shooting cover fire and we take a squad to a house. We had a couple guys on some lookout posts but ended up having to go get them.
Speaker 8We took the house.
Speaker 4We were just fighting to defend the house and next thing I know a hangar in AED lands two feet from my left foot and I grabbed my radio operator or my right foot. I grabbed my waiter operator. I tell him to run and push him out of the way. I talked my Kevlar and talk my M16 down the side of my leg and got blown up by a hangar here I am today, so pretty intense. What are you 19 then?
Speaker 72004. No 21. 21?.
Speaker 5It's crazy, especially looking back. Now we're in our 40s.
Speaker 4I think that was 20 years ago. Some of us Me.
Speaker 8So you were two months in country About, about, yeah.
Speaker 7Well glad to have you, man Glad you had it back home, thanks.
Speaker 5And I know how much pride you got for your battalion, the guys that you served with. That battle in Ramadi was horrendous. I mean, that's a famous battle. You know what I mean. Then they had to go back, take it again. Right, you know what I mean. So we took it once, gave it back up and then had to take it again.
Speaker 4So I couldn't imagine, you know we lost. So in the seven month deployment we lost 34 Marines, one sail Like it was catastrophic. So it would be our junior Marines, you know, as they come up to senior Marines. When you know, all of us guys got out they had to go back in 2006 to Ramadi. Yeah, I couldn't imagine having to go back to those battlegrounds where, so much you know, you lost so many of your brothers and shed so much blood. Yeah, you know, we had like over 250 wounded. It was just nasty.
Speaker 4Yeah, so I couldn't imagine having to go back. Those guys didn't. I mean, they did well.
Speaker 5Especially after you took it the first time.
Speaker 4Right, they go back and do it again, you redo it all over.
Speaker 5You know it's got to be one heartbreaking, but two, it's got to piss you off. It's got to give you a different set of motivational butter. Once again, though, you're fighting a face. Well, you're fighting the kind of demons that you left. Right, you know what I mean. You left, and now you got to go back.
Speaker 4That's got to be, Right, you know, but almost at the same time, as it's almost like going home. You know you spend so much time there, you know, and as combat veterans and stuff like that Hunger, you know, once you've had, you know that experience, that adrenaline, you know there's, there's nothing else to compare, so to get to go back and do it again, you know it fills that need, that quest, that thirst.
Speaker 3I was a. I was in a muddy Shit Quite a few years after you were. It was 2000 and 2009, 2009, 2010, give or take. I was there. I did spend three months in the mighty and boy you got his purple heart there.
Speaker 5Paper cut yeah, hey, there's.
Speaker 3No, we, we it was. I was the first time I was in Iraq. I was in Scania, place called Scania. I was there for a year, well, actually fucking 15 months. They extended us the cut centers and did you get caught up in that? So you were there about the same time.
Speaker 5I was there in 06 Tim skate. Yeah, 06 07. Yeah.
Speaker 3And they extended, extended us, but anyways, and we got rocked quite a bit when we were there.
Speaker 4It's nasty.
Speaker 3Morders, rockets, rockets, yep when I was at them and Rustam Maya, they called it rocket Maya, rocket Maya.
Speaker 8And then murder Ritaville.
Speaker 3And then this, the second time I went, I spent three months in Romani and fuck it reminded me of being back in in Scania. We were getting, we were getting mortared, fucking taking fire on the five. Yeah, it was nuts, nuts. I remember I woke up in the middle of that was like what was that.
Reflections on Combat Experiences in Iraq
Speaker 3And I was in. This is my second time being in Iraq, so I have those dreams of fucking getting mortared and everything else all the time. So I figured I was just dreaming. So I was getting ready to lay back down and one of my soldiers popped their head in my tube and was like sorry to bother Get to the bunker. I was like, oh shit, that was real. And then that's when we were taking fire on the five I don't know if there was there was an overpass or something over there, by by, where our shoes were, something where they were able to get a beat on us and see, us from up.
Speaker 4Well, the problem for us was I mean, we were, we were right across the street from there was like some college you know, right on MSR Michigan, you know which was a main supplier out there. But you know, early on and they just drove around and pickup trucks with you know motor vehicles and they would just drive and circle around the base and just kept launching. I mean they mortared us all the time. Yeah, all the time.
Speaker 3Love to be from the army was pretty big. That was huge. I mean there was, I guess, a blessing that it was so big on Ramadi that that hard to hit us Not, you know, it's not like they didn't hit us, but they, they. It was a lot harder than those where I was at and in Scania. Scania was this big. I mean it was tiny and fuck those fucking getting us all the time All the time that's fishing a barrel, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4So well so when we were over there, when we went, we didn't have a my up armored harm bees.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4We had soft top humvees and for for the seven tons we made, we took two sheets of OSB and row of sandbags in the middle on the ratchet strapped together like that was the protection for the troops. Back to the seven times. We didn't have any, any protection. You know our motor pool found a bunch of old steel, you know, and they just cut out. You know, door frames, you know, to fit inside but there was no latches. So as you're, you know you're driving down on the home V I mean you're chicken wing in that door to keep it shut because there was just no locks or anything like. We had to make all of our own armor and protection stuff for our vehicles. It was stupid. You should never, you know, send our forces over.
Speaker 8Yeah, but they didn't know what they were going to end to. Right, they didn't right.
Speaker 4Initially. You know we went over for SAS emissions.
Speaker 8You know security and stability operations, but that was far from it, like I think when I was there, the majority of conflicts, battles, whatever you want to call Usually it was EFPs or roadside bombs, right, I mean, there was a couple of missions that they did where they took some gunfire and stuff like that, but the majority of it was mortars, rockets, efps and IEDs.
Speaker 4Yeah, so I mean IEDs, you know were early on. You know, even even through our deployment, you know they were super primitive, you know, and two wires and you know, and a battery and stuff, but even you could, you could see their progression. You know, by the end of the deployment and you know they were able to detonate them remotely.
Speaker 8You know, so they could get further away.
Speaker 4You know, because when we would find IEDs early on, you know we'd just follow, you know the wires and you'd find like some little makeshift hole or something and you know a battery and they'd just be sitting there. But you know, later on they were able to do it. Cell phone, garage door, you know openers and stuff like that. There's this one place that.
Speaker 8I don't know what platoon did it, but they raided it, they did a mission and when they went into it they had a garage and they had a full size Humvee with the Rhino on the wall, so that they knew how big the Humvee was, how far out the Rhino stood, so that they could set up their EFPs at the right level so the Rhino wouldn't set it off or whatever. It was pretty, I mean.
Speaker 5They adapted well, but you learn through your mistakes right. So you know, as much as we don't think their technology is as good as ours, it obviously wasn't. You know what?
Speaker 6I mean.
Speaker 4But they could make definitely not lack of effort for them, yeah.
Speaker 5What they had, they made it work Right. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4They found a way to shoot for shit. Well, I mean, they adapted. No I mean they fire from the hip all the time.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4I mean, they adapted through the times and you know even the mistake they made is they fucked with the USA?
Speaker 8Sure, now it's our answer.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2We've been itching for that for a few decades that mother fuckers yeah. We've known forever. You know that they've backed. Well, what do they do now? They're backing the Houthis, right yeah, and they back countless other terrorist regimes. Always back the.
Speaker 5Coutis the.
Speaker 8Coutis, the Coutis.
Speaker 1The Coutis is what I'm back, back the.
Speaker 8Coutis all the time.
Speaker 5Oh, houthis, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, fuck those guys, fuck them all.
Speaker 2Now we're fucking them up too, because you know we've taken down a number of those drones and stuff, but we've been launching all kinds of fricking sorties and hundreds of their targets just gone.
Speaker 3I don't know what. I don't know what any anybody is thinking when they decide to do something against us because we're going to come in and we're going to fucking kill everybody. We are and I don't know what the hell they're thinking when they do what they do. And I mean I get their sentiment right and I'm sure they feel it's a noble and just cause.
Speaker 2At least on their side.
Speaker 3On their side. Yes, I'm sure they feel that way, but let's be honest.
Speaker 5It's not the smartest move.
Speaker 2Well, in the words of the late great Toby Keith we'll put a boot in their ass because that's the American way.
Speaker 6Oh shit.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't. I just don't understand, like I ran, what they're thinking they're thinking they're God. You know a lot of us are going to Listen. That's the last country over there we pretty much got to deal with, and that's Saudi. Yeah Well, there are allies, right.
Speaker 8Really.
Speaker 2Aren't they Okay? Yeah, well, they're not openly and rebelling against us either, so you can say that yeah.
Speaker 3I know If you're convinced.
Speaker 8I'm not convinced. No, hell.
Speaker 3No, I'm not convinced.
Speaker 8Yeah, because I think they had a young prince called fish food. I mean, what was his name? I even forgot Osama bin Laden. Oh yeah the bin Laden guy. I was thinking Obama bin Laden, but I call him fish food, so they had fish food there. He was a Saudi prince, right.
Speaker 3Something like that.
Speaker 8Well, he was a Saudi billionaire, yeah somehow he's backed.
Speaker 3You know who he's backed by.
Speaker 2And then what was the line that they tried to try to float, Like he was a CIA operative or some shit for a while. And supposedly air quotes. Supposedly that's how he got his training. I don't know that is the Well I understand, didn't he fight?
Speaker 8He fought the Russians. Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 3I was saying he fought the Russians.
Speaker 2I don't think he did. All right, let's look up the Wikipedia page. Hold on a second and here goes the so here.
Speaker 3Here's the group that was fighting the Russians was God damn that wasn't the group.
Speaker 8I know.
Speaker 6Fighting wasn't in the 80s.
Speaker 3The.
Speaker 7Russian huge bash.
Speaker 4I wasn't like Afghanistan or Russia or back in the 80s. Yeah, you gotta take a phone call.
Speaker 8That was one. Rocky was on or it's going to go. It's golden we're getting. We can't have radio silence.
Speaker 2Well, I'm looking, I'm looking it up.
Speaker 7Been letting again providing financial logistical support Islamic fighters by the Soviets in late 1979.
Speaker 8There you go. That's why we got a Joe.
Speaker 3Yeah, that's from FBIgov yeah that's why we got a Joe. What is it?
Speaker 7What is it? The the Russians?
Speaker 3were fighting who?
Speaker 7the Islamic fighters as well.
Speaker 6So I'm freedom fighters.
Speaker 8No, no, there was a name for that group. I just don't remember the name.
Speaker 2But basically they were.
Speaker 8Islamic and they were fighters.
Speaker 4So I'm the tip of my Right but the Muhaj, yeah, the Mojideen, mojideen. Yeah, we fought them, you know, in Iraq.
Speaker 3Yeah, well, they turned into the Mojideen, turned into Al Qaeda. Yeah, morphed into yeah.
Speaker 4Right, so there's. I think you know the is the Islam is, you know, an umbrella to so many of these in, you know these individual groups that want the religion of peace.
Speaker 3Yeah, right, right so.
Speaker 2What's interesting here? When you pull up the Al Qaeda Wikipedia page, they list a whole bunch of what they call allies and it says Pakistan, qatar, saudi Arabia and North Korea have all been alleged oh and Iran have all been alleged to be allies to the Al Qaeda group.
Speaker 8Allegedly yeah.
Speaker 2And of course they were all denied and probably serious.
Speaker 8probably on there, mm, hmm.
Speaker 4The whole Middle East territory yeah.
Speaker 2Hezbollah Taliban the Houthis. Hezbollah Fucking Hamas. They're all.
Speaker 8They're all considered the Israelis are kicking the shit out of them, boys.
Speaker 2And I I heard that they found all those tunnels and they're just fucking flooding the tunnels with water from the Mediterranean.
Speaker 6Yeah, they said they said fuck it, we're not.
Speaker 2we're not wasting lives Filling the fucker up with water.
Speaker 6That's not a bad idea.
Speaker 2That's what. That's what I mean war is war.
Speaker 4You know you're not there to you know obviously you know the smarter man's going to win, you know strategically. So if you can, if you can save lives and you know, flood them and use water, or, you know, push them that way like damn right. Yeah, exactly, you know.
Speaker 2You know it's, it's it's saving, you know your troops and, and you know, you're not going to get the money Exactly, and I think we said it, maybe you Trey, maybe you said it last time. Anyway, like they had every opportunity to get Hamas out of that, out of out of power, out of that area. You know for how long, obviously, since this most recent activity, how long have they kind of lived in a relative state of peace Wasn't like the 80s.
Speaker 8Wasn't there a bomb that hit a hotel in Palestine? Um, with the warhead Marines. That was Beirut, beirut.
Speaker 4Yeah, it was like 83 or something. Yeah.
Speaker 8Yeah, and we should have went in there and just apply, politely, asked them to leave. Look at there, we got. We got our nerd Joe the webmaster over here. Every time we ask a question he's over on his computer. Yep 83.
Speaker 2Take long but now the Israeli president. You know we're we're doing all these fucking peace, trying to do these backdoor peace deals and hostage, you know, and that's all fine and good, don't get me wrong. I mean, if you know we can release a hostage, let's do it right. But at the same time they're asking him to back down and just relax and everything. Fuck that shit Right. You know, everybody was fine up until they flew in and attacked that music fest. Like go fuck yourselves, you know and listen to people.
Speaker 2I mean I'm not going to say I'm an expert in foreign policy and all that other shit that's going on over there, because it's all religious. You know, it's all right. But, but at the same time, you guys live in a relative peace, despite your differences, and then you fucking do something like that. Yeah, you deserve what is coming, absolutely, 100%, absolutely. So go fuck yourselves.
Speaker 8Well, much and there's. Israelis, don't play.
Speaker 6They don't.
Speaker 2Holy fuck, they don't.
Speaker 8They're like hey, fuck you.
Speaker 3Well there are a lot of women and children dying over there.
Speaker 8And that's unfortunate.
Speaker 6Absolutely. What do?
Speaker 2they call that collateral damage, but who's kind of fucked up to say it? But is it the?
Speaker 4Israelis Right. You always want to minimize, you know damage.
Speaker 8But is it the Israelis fault or is it the Hamas's fault?
Speaker 3Well, it's Israelis and Hamas.
Speaker 2But Hamas pulled the trigger first, so ultimately the proxy listen and I get it.
Speaker 3I do get it. I do get it and it's unfortunate that these kids, like I see so many videos and pictures of kids dead, maimed whatever I understand.
Speaker 8But do you? But you always only see it from the terrorist side, you see?
Speaker 3Israeli, but are those people terrorists?
Speaker 8Well, they're not, but the people they live with their husband, their brothers.
Speaker 4So after you, I'd say a majority are not, but I do know with our time in Iraq. You know we were attacked by, you know, women and children. You know I've got a couple buddies, you know, that were blown up, you know by hangar and AIDS, by, you know kids walking right up to them and rich?
Speaker 8Yeah, because we were not wired to just shoot little kids. No, we don't have to live that way over here, but they live that way for thousands of years.
Speaker 4When we went out for patrol. You know we always asked, like any care packages you know, for hard candies because I mean a hundred plus degree.
Speaker 4you know heat can have regular chocolate, you know melted or whatever. So we asked for hard candies. But you know we would stuff our cargo pockets before we went out on patrol and you know, as we walk through these villages and stuff, I mean we would just hand out these candies and make them friends. But you know, try and have these kids walk with us as far as they would, because of as long as you know those children were around, you know they wouldn't attack us, you know. So what they would end up doing is, you know they'd go through that village or whatever, you know, the night prior or so and said hey, stay clear, you know we're attacking US forces. So now you know we go through an early warning device.
Speaker 4Now we go through and you know, all of a sudden, these children you know, you know that have followed us for several previous times. Now we know it's about to hit the fan. When it's quiet, that's when you know, right, you know the streets are dead, Nobody's out and about. Now we know something's about to go down.
Speaker 2So the other. The other fucked up thing is you know, war is war. It's not a pretty thing, Right. It's a paradox.
Speaker 8It's a paradox. Exactly, You're an intro. I was a little bit yeah he wasn't listening, fucker.
Speaker 2I wrote that goddamn.
Speaker 7I was just going to say an author for it.
Speaker 2No but. But you know it's not a pretty thing. But over all these years, you know you've had generations and different iterations of what I don't know the word honorable warfare looks like right, we've outlawed countless types of warfare and fucking shit like that, but like child soldiers, right, internationally that is a denounced form of warfare, correct.
Speaker 8Right there's, somebody didn't get the memo.
Speaker 2Let's see, that's my point. Like you can't Africa.
Speaker 8You can't have Somalia, exactly you can't, you can't have.
Speaker 2you know this is going to kind of get into the whole like rules of engagement and shit too, but you can't have a joke.
Speaker 5Let me guess that's going to be the second part.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, that's all. I'm one. But you can't have one way of warfare, right? That's my point. You can't have one way of warfare on one side, right, we always follow the Geneva conventions.
Speaker 5But they were, we were in uniform.
Speaker 4So right they don't right they don't.
Speaker 5They don't fight by any rules or any.
Speaker 4They're not, they're a faceless enemy. You know, they blend guerrilla warfare, so that's, that's my point.
Speaker 2You know the how many times have they come out and said that? You know they found basically headquarters, shit in fucking hospitals and other places that are normally off limits to us, right? You know, and it's you know. We see that we're like fuck. Of course it was there you know like we knew that that's what they were doing, but anyway.
Speaker 8I came up with an idea because I worked at the talk and I had to do that, stupid briefings with the battalion commander and all that bullshit, and we were talking about there's this one mosque, that that's what they were doing. They're putting their weapons in there, and then they'd go in and get their weapons and then they'd come out.
Speaker 4Well, yeah, because the mosque are religious. Yeah, we're not supposed to, you know, enter those grounds.
Speaker 8So I said, hey, you know what we should do because my mosque are religious and they're sacred. I said we should line all the way around that with Claymore Mines to protect the mosque and the Sarn Majors, like the colonels, like you know. I thought it was a good idea.
Speaker 6What the fuck.
Speaker 8Yeah, I mean the guys like us.
Speaker 4that's a great idea, but yeah you go further up the ladder, you know when your colonels and all those guys are playing political chess for their future careers.
Speaker 3You know, yep, exactly what it is.
Speaker 8You know what did the general for their hundred first. Didn't he get? Didn't he get relieved? Because I think this one, they got Saddam's two sons because he shot a toe into a building, or something like that.
Speaker 2Oh no, I know what it was.
Speaker 8He, they were hiding in schools and one, and what they were trying to do is they're trying to teach the Iraqi police on how to do their mission and kept getting rocketed from this police station. So basically, the general said look, I don't know if you realize this, but we have counter mortars, right. We know where the rockets are coming from, right. Okay, so you're either going to stop it or we're going to call them order, and when we do this, we're not going to just hit where it comes from, we're going to hit a grid square. And that's kind of what they did. And that general got relieved.
Speaker 8But I thought it was a good idea.
Speaker 2Well, well, because what did? What did he get?
Speaker 8really for, though, because they hit the grid, square school.
Speaker 2It was a school, okay.
Speaker 6Because it's gonna say he didn't say it.
Speaker 8It's in the city, so I mean.
Speaker 5but yeah, so he may not have a little kid with a backpack right up through our serpentine up to our front gate, right Yep.
Speaker 8So, yeah, you may get another one where because I worked in the talk I could get on and they'd have the drones flying so I can watch it. And there's a patchy was out doing their patrols at night. They said, hey, it's curfew right After dark I knew nobody on the roads unless it's American forces. So all of a sudden you see this van stop, they jump out, they open up doors and the patchy you know pilots saying hey, we got a vehicle, three dismounts, they opened the door. I can't tell what that is. And then I see a flash of light. And then all of a sudden, on the other side of us there's a. He goes permission to engage.
Speaker 8That was a mortar. And the guy, whoever he works with, said Did you see the mortar tube? He goes no, I didn't see the mortar to, but it was a mortar, I know it was a mortar. He's like he's like permission, doesn't need. And he's like Okay. So he followed it and then went around another little corner and stopped and the same thing. So he tried to get around and I'm watching this on with a drone, because the drone's now flying with him and he says it again and they says denied. And he's like Well, what kind of fucking shit is this? I'm off. And then the guy goes. The guy's like please use proper way.
Speaker 3Oh man.
Speaker 5Then I seen another drone. I'm surprised you just didn't say yeah, I saw the two.
Speaker 8He shut up the second time around.
Speaker 5Yeah, right, I mean I'm left of the verify or not verify Cause.
Speaker 8Then I'd seen another one, and I don't know if this was on the internet or not, but it's funny.
Speaker 8I've seen a couple of videos like that this was a cabin right and outside. They had a goal. Oh yeah, I'm serious, it was hard to. The dude comes out, he's got a weapon slung over his back and the cobra that's a pretty wicked buggy. Or the Apache Sorry, it's kind of saying my age there with the cover. The Apache is a pretty wicked buggy and it kind of was setting up there and and the pilots are talking, they're like oh no, oh no, yep, sure Not. The dude went up to the goat and I'm not gonna say what he did to the goat.
Speaker 5And he's good to see you made it back Glad, oh man.
Speaker 3So you know we're, we're. Where did you serve at over there in Iraq and Afghanistan or Afghanistan? Where were you?
Speaker 2He's trying to set up a joke.
Speaker 3No, I'm not, I'm being serious. So what happened is Jen got that call on 9 11. She said, charlie, it's time to go. And Charlie like hey, hey, hey, hey, yep, that's what happened. Hey, I did my, my two tours. I did my, did my turn.
Speaker 8Well, we just like the hammer on you.
Discussion About Military Badges and Experiences
Speaker 3Oh, I know, I know I've been shot at, I've been murdered. I got my, my uh combat, uh combat action badge. So I got the, I got the.
Speaker 4I got the 100% to prove it. Is that what it is in the army? It's just a badge, not a ribbon.
Speaker 8And there's two. There's a combat infantry badge If you're in love and serious, and then there's if you're not 11, if you're not 11 series, then it's a, it's a combat action badge.
Speaker 2So participation trophy no no that's national defense.
Speaker 4That's national defense.
Speaker 8Yeah, I'll leave you a G Y yeah.
Speaker 2True, that's true. No, um, I don't. I don't know anything about y'all's badges, so good, quit talking.
Speaker 5Hey, don't, don't you guys get a ribbon or something for grenades?
Speaker 4Man, they get everything. They do Basically training.
Speaker 5If you throw a grenade, you get something, oh yeah.
Speaker 3I forgot about that. I forgot about that.
Speaker 7Yeah, we get a marksmanship.
Speaker 3Well, it depends. Marksmanship for grenades, and one for your name and one for military. There's a grenade um 60 gunner.
Speaker 8Well, now it's 240. But when I was there I just showed my age again Grenade, 60 gunner pistol rifle. And then there's even a driver's badge. But the thing is, with the badge let's say you're expert in everything. There's just a ladder that hangs off it, so you don't have to wear five different.
Speaker 3And as a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, uh, used to be.
Speaker 8You might not be able to.
Speaker 3You can only put so many over there. You know, like, if you're, if you're expert in rifle um grenade, your marksmen and right, you know, I think you can only have three or cross Three across. You can put there.
Speaker 5Yeah, so, so obviously you're going to put your highest award. Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 2Now, marine Corps, you can do four across, can't you? But you, you have to like stagger them, don't you Cause eventually, you know, are you talking about the ribbons, though?
Speaker 8Yeah, we're talking about it as a badge. It's like a metal badge Looking up Joe, the Marine Corps has them too.
Speaker 5They got, uh, pistol and rifle, and then, if you're on the shooting team, right, there's a special one, but you got to be on the shooting team to get that one. So there's technically three, but typically everybody only has one. We don't have. Some people have two of you, you have to have them.
Speaker 3Yeah, so those are the badges down at the bottom. Up top are the ribbons. Yeah, which let me see that.
Speaker 4Uh, can a Marine Corps only step in seal an officer's? That's why I get this.
Speaker 5Yeah, I got it when I was at Fast Company. Yeah, oh well, you were a special.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 2Yeah, navy we have the warfare devices, we don't have badges, and that was another thing that I thought was dumb as fuck.
Speaker 8Uh, m 60 machine gun is a crew served weapon. Correct, yep, it's not an individual weapon, crew served yeah.
Speaker 7So for the longest time.
Speaker 8I figured our 60 gunner. What happens at 60? Jammed or it, the firing train breaks or something it goes down. How does he defend himself, right he?
Speaker 4should have. He should have a sidearm.
Speaker 8That's what I said and they said, nope, it's not on your Tone, Because we were. We were a scout platoon and we had a driver with an M 16. The TC had a 203 and then the 60 gunner. So the 60 gunner, we were the team I would. The TC was the spotter, the driver was the AG and then the gunner's the gunner Right, and I'm like well, what happens if the Jeep gets blown? I just did it again. What happens if the vehicle gets blown up? The Jeep, the Jeep. What happens if the Jeep gets blown up and we have to start humping? That dude doesn't has, he has nothing to nothing to protect himself with.
Speaker 2And they were like that.
Speaker 8That's just the way it's set up and I'm like, well, it's pretty fucking stupid, but what do we know, right?
Speaker 3Roy, you were talking about when you had to make your own armor for your Humvees when you were there. You guys remember there was a soldier that said something to the secretary of defense at the time and I believe it was. Who's that goofy guy? Yeah, Rumpfell. Rumpfell, there you go Rumpfell and kind of embarrassed him in front of the world and, you know, western media, and that's when we start getting flooded with up armored Humvees.
Speaker 4Well, good, because we never should have been sent over with anything less.
Speaker 3Yeah, none at all yeah, what the fuck were they thinking Exactly?
Speaker 5What the fuck were they thinking? When I was in guitar, we had a goddamn Humvee, broke the fan blade. Put it over here. We only had two. One of them are 19 on top and one of them are 50 cal on top. Luckily we had a goddamn farmer from Missouri or some shit Went out and found some scrap, fixed the fan blades because the fan blades are plastic. He's caught enough tin metal, bolted the shit together to get that thing up and running, so we had it for the rest of the mission. You know, crazy, we didn't have extra parts, we couldn't get them Right, so we would have been down. Yeah, we would have been down. Yeah, there was a big time cruiser weapon, the unit that we ripped, they left and we came in.
Speaker 8They had a thing called a chuka plate and it was something that the maintenance shop made up. Basically, what it was is because at that time we didn't have the up arm or neither, but they put like a rail, like a half a picture frame or three quarters of a picture frame on there Right. They had metal and they just slid it down inside the thing, so it was an extra padding for the door Right and they called it chuka plate because the dude that it was named after was killed by an EFP, because EFPs are totally different than the roadside bombs.
Speaker 3What is chuka? That was his name. Yeah, that was his name.
Speaker 8Chuka. All right, staff, sergeant Chuka. They're totally different than a roadside bomb and basically it's a can you can take and the way they made them was a coffee can, packed them with gun powder or gun powder, and then they put metal on them which, if it's curved in, it's concave right, if it's curved out, it's concave. Well, this is concave. So then when they detonated, it shoots that and that concave, and as it shoots, it comes from here, then it comes into like a point and when it hits the vehicle it burns through the plate and then it just throws shit all the way through the rest of the vehicle. And the Iranians did it with copper and then were the bad motherfuckers.
Speaker 8Staff Sergeant.
Speaker 7Chuka, yeah, dispers it.
Speaker 8And that was our big thing was the EFPs?
Speaker 4Yeah, when we kept finding roadside IEDs. Once you get it stable and stuff to peel the dirt off and get to look at it, you'd find so much shrapnel, nails, angle iron, whatever they could find that they just threw on top of it. When it detonated it just sent so much shrapnel, Just mass destruction.
Speaker 8That was like allegedly I don't know if you, I know it's common knowledge in Vietnam they would take gasoline drums, they'd put tide in it, or laundry to turn it, to thicken it up, and then they would wrap it with Bob wire or a Constantina wire. They just wrap it and then they would put C4 on the backside, run it back, detonate it with a clicker.
Speaker 3Clicker.
Speaker 8Yeah, clacker, clacker. There you go, clacker, and one of my platoon sergeant said it was really cool he goes because they're easy to shoot when they're on fire. That's like what, oh man?
Speaker 7So they smell bad, though, yeah, they smell bad, but it just lets you know how old Tim is.
Speaker 3He's got a platoon sergeant that was in Vietnam.
Speaker 8Hell. All my squad leaders were from Vietnam.
Speaker 3Really.
Speaker 8Shit.
Speaker 3I actually. Well, you went in what late 80s.
Speaker 5Was it late 80s, early 90s. It was late 80s Early.
Speaker 380s Early 80s.
Speaker 5Oh yeah, we were all shooting green. I think it's the same here, yeah.
Speaker 8Well, I went in in 1983.
Speaker 3Believe it or not, I was in Korea in fuck. What year was I there? 2002? I guess I went over there give or take and my platoon sergeant was fucking in Vietnam. He was in Vietnam, so he got out of Vietnam and then, right before he was right at the cutoff age, like maybe 35 or some- shit like that.
Speaker 8Yeah, I think that's what was back then. And then came back in and he was probably 50 then. So, and he was in.
Speaker 3Vietnam. He couldn't believe it. Aiden Bird, that was his name. Yeah, he showed me a picture of himself when he was in Vietnam. There was he was one of those guys that were going over the Laos, you know, going over the border in the Laos.
Speaker 8Okay, okay, let's stop.
Speaker 3It wasn't allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
Speaker 8We had no US troops in Cambodia or Laos as Terry and Sun Tso in Vietnam. Okay, let's just get that clear.
Speaker 3He had. He had showed me a picture he had long hair Long, yeah, I mean, it was, you know, maybe down to his ear in a big bushy mustache. I was like damn, the fucking 70s were way different Very different back then.
Speaker 5So do you imagine going you know that long without being able to get a haircut?
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, that's what it was right. Yeah, exactly, he didn't have anything. It's like you were just out there.
Speaker 5Yeah, it's not like you're going to go. Oh, I put a pack of Parasympathies.
Speaker 8Yeah, I put a couple of Parasympathies. I put a couple of Parasympathies with me.
Speaker 6I'll get rid of a pair of underwear for my scissors, so you keep my red hair cut yeah.
Speaker 5Oh man.
Speaker 3Jesus Christ. That's what I liked about when I served with with special operations those fuckers.
Speaker 8This did what they wanted to do.
Speaker 3Fucking fool beards and everything else.
Speaker 8Well, they got to look like the population.
Speaker 3Yeah, is that why you did it? Yeah, so you're getting to look like the Alla brothers. Once they, once they, once they invade America, once they invade America.
Speaker 8You're safe.
Speaker 3I'm safe.
Speaker 8So you can go.
Speaker 3Say Asala alaikum yeah.
Speaker 8So you can go down to Dearborn and be just how to hang out.
Speaker 3I would be, I would be just fine in Dearborn, absolutely.
Speaker 7Get him a man dress and let's put that on the test.
Speaker 3Yeah, I would. I would be just fine. I believe I would.
Speaker 2All right. So here's the dumb question, because I don't know this about you Can you speak Arabic? Motherfucker, this guy. How much Arabic do you know?
Speaker 3I know, I know none, I mean I know, which means that you literally said Asala alaikum.
Speaker 5Oh, oh yeah.
Speaker 2So how the fuck am I supposed to know?
Speaker 3That. Well, I'm not Arabic. I know that.
Speaker 2I just didn't know, if you like, took a fucking night class.
Speaker 8You know I was in fucking Iraq for two and a half years of my fucking life.
Speaker 3You pick up the minimum.
Speaker 4You're bound to pick up some stop.
Speaker 3He knows what Asala alaikum means.
Speaker 7Peace be on you, brother, peace be on you that in the fucking While they come to love.
Speaker 3That's the fucking greeting. Stop. It's when you go.
Speaker 2How do you say suck my cock? You trying to go to Dearborn Not exactly sure Bratton.
Speaker 6Bratton wants to hear about the gold story.
Speaker 5He cares about what really happened to that goat.
Speaker 8Well, I don't know what happened to the goat, the goat and the dude didn't end up well.
Speaker 5It's amazing they ended up in some pink mist.
Speaker 4Yes, yes, pretty much Maybe the pilot was a little bit jealous. Maybe Fine getting none.
Speaker 7No one's getting none there. Yeah, yeah, damn.
Speaker 6This went down real quick.
Speaker 2You asked him if he spoke Arabic.
Speaker 5See the rabbit hole. Let's go back to how we were talking about Iran.
Speaker 3And they're about to get a, a nice taste of freedom, nice bucket of freedom coming their way. But there's not and I was, I was, I was reading an article or listen to do a news story about. There is not a country in this world, not even China, that can invade America. They don't have the infrastructure, they just can't do it. Well, you gotta remember, like like the United States is like four.
Speaker 5German is big. Yeah, you know what I mean. So if you land on the East Coast, you're going to be in the middle of the country, you know what?
Speaker 6I mean.
Speaker 5So if you land on the East Coast, it'd be three months by the time you get to the other side, and that's if you pretty much walked all the way through, yeah, and you're talking about Americans where we have like how many guns?
Speaker 8I don't have a lot.
Speaker 5It is literally like one per person. They've said three hundred and eighty million, I think it's more.
Speaker 3I think it's more. I think it's like two or three guns for every person in the world.
Speaker 2They've said that we have. We have it's Googling. Yeah, yeah, it's Googling.
Speaker 5It's right on par with our population of three hundred and eighty six million.
Wisconsin's Hunters and America's Firepower
Speaker 8Well, you know, that's the reason we want to give our guns away.
Speaker 7Wisconsin's hunters alone is the A-Farcus army in the world Just the hunters in Wisconsin.
Speaker 8Yeah, yeah, p-8.
Speaker 5Well, it's the largest. There was that old shame. What the fuck.
Speaker 3Imagine if throw Michigan in there Fuck.
Speaker 8When Roy gets back, we'll ask him. We'll ask him what's the eighth largest army of the world? Well, the other, he's got to get it wrong.
Speaker 2The other thing to say is the fucking Japanese admiral or some shit Right. They were asked why they didn't invade America and he said because there's, you know, a gun behind, there's a barrel behind every blade of grass.
Speaker 5But that's actually. I don't think that's really what it is. That was something somebody had made up, but it was something I'd part with that.
Speaker 8So we're talking about why America doesn't get invaded. You know what the eight Roy's back. By the way, you know what the eighth largest army in the world is?
Speaker 4Probably the American people.
Speaker 7Close Wisconsin's hunters.
Speaker 5Alone.
Speaker 7Wisconsin's hunters. I believe it.
Speaker 8I don't believe it. Can you imagine that?
Speaker 5I mean what's Michigan's?
Speaker 7Yeah, what's Michigan? It didn't say Right.
Speaker 4But you figure, you know all the hunting in the Northwest man. You know because not one hunter doesn't have just one weapon. Right, they have a little stockpile.
Speaker 7Yeah, so if you take Pennsylvania, michigan, west Virginia, it says it's those four states alone and compromise the largest army in the world.
Speaker 2Shit, just the hunters.
Speaker 8Even with West Virginia still using muskets, bang in their sisters. You can hear them.
Speaker 6I thought that was out of bounds. That was out of bounds. They're clicking spoons.
Speaker 8That's how they keep in step. I heard something the other day that went down real fast.
Speaker 2I heard something the other day of an enemy did make it to you know, mainland America, that they'd somehow find themselves with banjos playing in the background. They probably would. Well, the PTSD that would come from this.
Speaker 4You know, as far as you know, approximately 82 million Americans own a firearm. That's staggering.
Speaker 3Yeah, but how many guns per person is there in America? That's why.
Speaker 5Total, total amount of allegedly guns. These are only going to be I mean, I'm sure they're estimates, but like reported numbers.
Speaker 2Right, okay, according to Wikipedia, that's bullshit.
Speaker 8We want to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2Well, I mean, even if it is bullshit, it's so far. The United States is so far ahead. Per 100 people, there are 120 firearms in the United States Pretty much the closest behind us is the Falkland Islands.
Speaker 8Yeah, because they only got 40 people 40 people in 300 guns, and that's why, gentlemen, leave our guns alone.
Speaker 5So there's probably close to 400 million guns in the United States. We're like at 386 or 387 as far as million people. So you're.
Speaker 7So civilian guns owned per 100 people. The United States is the top of this list of 120.5.
Speaker 3That's what you said.
Speaker 5So, you're probably 400 million firearms.
Speaker 6Yep.
Speaker 5And out of that a solid half of the gun owners 80 million or whatever it actually is is probably pretty damn proficient with them.
Speaker 7Think about it. This is just the ones being reported. Think of all the ones that are in the underground.
Speaker 4That should stick the black market yeah.
Speaker 8Fuck, yeah, we can take the game. We can have the games going there would be the frontline.
Speaker 3I can tell you this, that Russia has revealed themselves with this Ukraine war.
Speaker 8They're not very tough.
Speaker 3How the fuck could you not just run over?
Speaker 8Ukraine Pussy, pussy, pussy, that's what.
Speaker 3Russia is. I don't care how many guns and everything we're giving them, I mean the big red scare. Come on.
Speaker 7Yeah they should just mold them. They should have molded them down.
Speaker 8They did the same thing in half a year.
Speaker 5They've been going on for three years.
Speaker 4That half-gam war was a 10-year war yeah.
Speaker 8Finally, russia said fuck this, we're getting our ass kicked Right.
Speaker 5But you got to remember how long were we in the Middle East? 20 years, yeah, at least.
Speaker 4So the thing with us in the Middle East, though, is we weren't just fighting like we were in Iraq. We weren't fighting Iraq. They were coming from all over the world, all these third world countries, these little fighting camps. They were flying into this centralized location to put up the fight against America.
Speaker 5Well, we weren't trying to take over Iraq as making it part of America.
Speaker 6No Right.
Speaker 5Russia's trying to recapture. Ukraine as part of Russia.
Speaker 4Right Part of the old USSR Right right.
Speaker 5So they're trying to take all that back and keep it. We were never there to keep Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or whatever's coming next.
Speaker 6We were nation-building. That was never part of our mission.
Speaker 5So I bet, if Iraq or Afghanistan was part of our mission, there would have been a whole different mission, sure.
Speaker 2So well, this gets into. We would have had. This gets into foreign policy, and I know none of us are experts about that but at what point is there going to be teeth to the international community? Right, ukraine's been its own fucking country for how many decades?
Speaker 8You know 96th, it was one of the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2Yeah, so two decades and all of a sudden, Russia just decides to go.
Military Installations and Potential US Invasion
Speaker 4Russia's slowly been creeping that way.
Speaker 5Part of what it actually is, is that Ukraine was going to become a NATO country and that was the problem. Any of those countries that broke off when they broke off were not supposed to join NATO. But Ukraine was going to join NATO. So no, you're not.
Speaker 8You're right on my front door.
Speaker 5That's not going to happen, and that was part of the agreement when they broke off was they were not going to become. They were going to become, so that's why the war started.
Speaker 3But then we had Latvia, lithuania, both neighboring Russia, that are NATO countries.
Speaker 5Well, I think that's the reason why because, okay, we let you get away with it this time, we let you get away with it that time. Now you're going to do it again. No, you're not, you're right. They had to put their foot down, or else it would have just kept going around. Right yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3But at the same time.
Speaker 5That's what I heard.
Speaker 3I don't know if that's what you're talking about? No, I think you're right, but in 2014,.
Speaker 5You know that you took Kamea Right there, shit out of the camera. I have a whole bunch of people telling me I'm right. Slowly through the years.
Speaker 4If you look back now you see like he took Kamea down below. You know he was staging up north. What Beloruz I mean? He was slowly, you know snacking.
Speaker 2I would think that if somebody tried to come to US, I don't see how they could do it Because first of all, our radars would catch them in the ocean, way off.
Speaker 8Because they'd have to come by boat Right Mexico, they'd have to invade Mexico.
Speaker 5You know they would not get another invading a northern or southern country to us.
Speaker 8So they'd have to come by boat and I, even Biden, would be smart enough to get our submarines and our warships, and it'd be more of a naval battle, I think, than it would be a land battle, because you'd see the motherfuckers coming from ever. I mean we'd track them the minute they left port, you know. And then don't let their aircraft carriers get close enough to use their planes. And then you know, we got our Navy Air Force, or our Navy pilots, our Air Force.
Speaker 6Marine pilots.
Speaker 8I don't think they'd ever make it to the shore.
Speaker 5I think the United States has done a nice job at positioning military installations in key places, Because they're not they're very well in the areas where you're easily invaded. And they're not going to invade Canada and come through. You know the Dakotas or something right.
Speaker 8Right.
Speaker 5So there's only certain spots in their position, far enough apart, but still close enough together with all different factions. Be it the Navy, be it the Air Force, be it the Army, you know, because we need janitors Right, bop up the mass from those Marines in their installations.
Speaker 5So I mean, it's good deterrent, because you can't just attack one because another one's just down the road and there's so many of them you're not going to be able to attack all at the same time. And you know, I just. And then, once again, though, you have a lot of crazy fucking guys like us who served Right that we missed the violence part. You know what I mean. It's like, you know, when I we're at the bar, we're at the post and dark players are going at it, or you know a couple guys, you know we're just like get her going, boys, give me a reason.
Speaker 8Give me a reason.
Speaker 5I'm just going to see her. Wait, but get her going.
Speaker 8You know we're ready.
Speaker 5You know we might get her ass kicked, but you know what? We miss that shit.
Speaker 3Well, and that's the thing, Can you imagine? Okay, let's talk about that movie, red Dawn, right oh?
Speaker 2yeah, the original, the original, the good one.
Speaker 3Yeah, fuck that. That new one, One from 1984. And the Russians. Russians and Cubans descended into Colorado. It was, I think it was. Colorado is where that was jumping in. Could you fucking imagine the reality of what would happen if that happened right now today? Charlie, roy, tim, all of us, all of us, we'd make a road trip to Colorado, hidle into the trunks and a bike.
Speaker 5We might yeah, we would look like the hijabs and I'll be piled in the back of pickup church going get her boys, Can you?
Speaker 3imagine what would happen We'd shout it up on the way Charlie's gonna die. That shit would come from all sides If an evading force came into America like that and they have 300 million guns descending on the state of fucking Colorado.
Speaker 5We're gonna bring the guns you bring to go.
Speaker 2All right, charlie's gonna be the one trying to figure out how to put a fucking machine gun on the back of a Harley.
Speaker 5Hey, you don't want that welder down there. We'll make her happen. Put a bolt up a bracket.
Speaker 4I got a buddy that lives down in Houston and you know I was talking to him a couple weeks ago and he was saying he's like you know, he's like I've never been to war or anything, but he's like you know, like I can only imagine what it looks like. He's like there's so many you know hummers and military trucks and stuff down on our highways heading, you know, to the borders.
Speaker 6Yeah, they're everywhere down here.
Speaker 4Yeah, we got National Guards from all these. I think there's like 13 states or something that have sent National Guard their help down to the borders.
Speaker 8And to tell the feds fuck off, if you won't secure it, we will yeah.
Speaker 4You know they went down there to, you know, to stand, stand with Texas. Yeah, my buddy he was. He was just like holy cow man. He's like I've never seen so many. He's like you know, if, if, if, I'd never seen more.
Border Crisis and Government Legislation
Speaker 8he's like I think I would see something with all these military and that's, that's a bad precedent to some degree, because, yes, the guard is a state organization, but they're also like a federal kind of organization because they can be deployed by the state or by federal government, like the federal, is the umbrella. Yeah. So now they're going down there and basically they're saying, hey, federal government, up yours right, but they get a lot of funding from the federal government.
Speaker 3Right, so if if Joe Biden wanted to, he could federalize them. He could federalize those National Guard troops and say okay secure our border, you know well. No, he can say you're no longer under your state. You're under my authority.
Speaker 7And I'm telling you to go home. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3And he hasn't done it Because he's not smart enough to. I don't think he's got people around in that smart enough.
Speaker 8Whole camel toe.
Speaker 5I don't I don't really think he wants to fight those troops, commanders or anybody else and fuck yourself in a state or anyway. But what, what, what are you going to do? You know what I mean? Because I think then you got a mutiny on your hands and that's probably a battle they don't want to fight.
Speaker 2Nope Right, because I think you know at some point you got to realize that you fucked up Bad enough that you're backed into a corner, and they most definitely are backed into a corner at this point.
Speaker 3Well, they did try to pass some legislation about this border crisis and it was blocked.
Speaker 8You blocked it.
Speaker 3Republican Absolutely. Why though?
Speaker 5Probably because there was a whole bunch of junk whole bunch of back door stuff slid in there no.
Speaker 4You're not going to be in Ukraine and everywhere else.
Speaker 3I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why Because Donald Trump told him not to. Come on, it's true, this is true. Look it up, nerd, look it up. He told him not to because, because he wants the chaos and everything else to run against Biden, he can say Biden's fucking up this.
Speaker 8Oh, kind of like they did with the COVID thing.
Speaker 3Sure, what do you mean? No, what are you talking?
Speaker 8about Democrats did how? How? So? Exactly Because, if I remember right, Trump said when the monkey flu came out, or whatever the fuck you want to call it, I'm calling the monkey flu. The Huang Hu Chang-Wang, whatever, okay, which was a man made in a lab that was probably given and set to fuck us up. When he found that out, he said no body from China can come into the United States. And everybody went oh my God, you're racist.
Speaker 7Yeah right.
Speaker 8You're racist. And he said I don't give a fuck, they're not coming into the States. And then they came into the States, and then what happened? Three months later?
Speaker 3Okay, but did they? He said they're not coming, why did? Why did? Why? Were they able to come? If he said, no, they can't come, why did they come?
Speaker 8I don't know what I give.
Speaker 3Well, I can tell you this COVID was probably already in the states by that time.
Speaker 6Oh yeah, yeah, well, I'm guessing it probably was?
Speaker 3I can tell you this I was in Mexico.
Speaker 8You brought it.
Speaker 3I did and I'm telling you, everybody I was with got fucking sick as a dog. My kids, my wife, my mother, my brothers, everybody got sick Like fucking COVID, sick Like three weeks like just definitely ill. Yeah, yeah, do you remember that it was right before COVID, because I went to Miami in March of the COVID year. Yeah, it was early March, the COVID year we went to my family.
Speaker 4We had a big trip planned to Disney right around. It was the beginning of March you know of then. But I remember I was helping a buddy, you know, with a build or do a build, and like there was three of us and one guy sick and we all end up like just massively sick and he went to the doctor and they're like we don't you know, we don't know.
Speaker 3We don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4We're not aware of what it was and then, so I think it was already here.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4Slowly trickling through and by the time it made it to the news it was, I mean, it was massive.
Speaker 5Okay, so the border bill, we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, it was Washington Post. Got a news organization they're kind of they're pretty liberal.
Speaker 2I think they're pretty liberal.
Speaker 5Okay, that's why I wanted to ask is this the?
Speaker 8one where we say it's right.
Speaker 2I'm not going to sit here and pull some right wing you know whatever, and I don't really believe what Fox News says. Oh, that's all good.
Speaker 5I don't believe what CNN says. So the Senate voted down sweeping national security and border reform package on Wednesday, with most Senate Republicans banded together with a handful of Democrats to reject the legislation. The bill included more than $60 billion in aid for Ukraine as a fence off Russia and 14 billion to Israel for the war in Gaza, and those were a top top national security priority for Biden. So it wasn't just right.
Speaker 5They tried sliding some stuff, they, they. It's what they all do. They all throw a bunch of pork and some bullshit and then they go. Oh yeah, the government's not going to get paid and all these people are going to have to quit their jobs, right, but we're going to study fucking purple potatoes at $7 million this year. Have you ever had a purple potato?
Speaker 3They're fucking delicious Right.
Speaker 5But do you think we really need to fuck? We're already growing them. Do we need to study them? No, Okay. Well, that's been $7 billion this year to fucking study purple potatoes $7 billion, that sounds like a lot. It was a $7 billion. Charlie's becoming a nerd Because I've heard these things.
Global Politics and Foreign Aid Debate
Speaker 2Now the nerd squad's rubbing off At a basic level. At some point, I think we should come together and agree that you know what everybody considers to be pork. You know there's. There's a fine line there's either you put so much shit into a bill that nobody knows what's going on with it, or you have everything down to its individual topic and they can't. They don't have, they simply don't have the time to vote on everything, right.
Speaker 5You know what I mean. So you got to figure that out. Well, what you could do is you could. You could put a bill together for border security. Then you could put a bill down for your top national. You could have had two votes. You could have done Ukraine and you could have done Israel as a separate vote. Pull it out of the bullshit. Let's get the bullshit done. And if you have your, little pet projects.
Speaker 3Okay, can I? Can I tell you why that was all together in one bill? It was Israel, ukraine and the border. Because the Republicans wanted the border bill, they wanted something about the border Right, they wanted more money, they wanted to fix it, they wanted it to get fixed.
Speaker 5And they even said what they were going to give to the border wall was not enough to solve the problem.
Speaker 3And the Democrats wanted funding for Ukraine. They all, they all agreed on Israel. We're going to give money to Israel.
Speaker 8I don't think we should give money to either one of them. Motherfuckers, it's your war to fight it.
Speaker 5Okay, we spent $300,000 to study fucking purple potatoes but still $300,000 is might as well be seven million to study a purple potato. I'm sure we spent. You said seven billion.
Speaker 3I said seven million. Oh, he did say billion. We're going to rewind it.
Speaker 8Yeah, no, no, give the progressive game flag. What?
Speaker 5But I mean, you know, we have homeless veterans in the street. No, I agree, we have people everywhere and we're sending $70 billion overseas, when 70 billion dollars a year?
Speaker 4I'm not opposed to sending money, you know, to help some of these foreign countries. As far as you know, allies and stuff like that, I'm fair with that. But I mean hundreds of billions of dollars like to one you know small country multiple times per fiscal year, by the way.
Speaker 2So it adds up to a second.
Speaker 4I'm not saying, you know, don't give them any money, don't give, you know, iran any money or not Iran, but about Israel, you know like I'm all about, you know supporting and helping, but I mean billions and billions. And we have homeless veterans and you know homeless alone. We have, you know, poor and hungry in our country, and you know go online.
Speaker 3Here's, here's the way I see, it is that politics nowadays are becoming more and more global. Sure, geopolitical, you know that was a big word, I know right.
Speaker 8For a little tape. Writer.
Speaker 3I shouldn't. My ASVAP scores higher than yours. Got something. Anyway, sure I'm positive Okay. It doesn't get much higher than mine.
Speaker 7Okay, I believe you.
Speaker 3I was a 122. Nice. So, anyways, if, if we don't take the reins we being America, if we don't take the reins of what's going on globally, somebody else will. You want to be Russia? You want to be China?
Speaker 7Iran.
Speaker 3Iran. It's either us or those fuckers, Either we fucking were. Either we rule the world or they rule the world. And then you want, you do not want the whole world depending on China, depending on Russia for the things that we could give them as as America.
Speaker 8Now.
Speaker 3I get your sentiment. I get it Like fuck those, fuck the rest of the world, let's take care of us. I get it, I know right, but I'm looking at it from a different perspective. I don't say that either Like what either either America rules the world or somebody else does. Who do you want we?
Speaker 8already rule the world. We're in every fucking conflict that ever comes around Okay. Because they can't take care of themselves, so they come after us.
Speaker 3We take the power of our dollar and we give it to a Ukraine, we give it to a, a, an Israel's, we give it to purple potatoes. And then now you owe us something, now you owe us right, and that is Kuwait. When what happened with Desert Storm in the early night we get free oil from fucking Kuwait.
Speaker 8We should be, we should be.
Speaker 3We have bases there in Kuwait. That's our jumping off point from Kuwait to the rest of the Middle East, whenever there's a conflict where we flying into into Kuwait because we went there, we saved Sorry, we saved their asses. Right, we spent our tax dollars to do that in our American lives. Now you owe us, so either we run the world or Russia wants a world. Who do you want?
Speaker 8Russia can't run.
Speaker 3Fucking Ukraine, that's true, I know Okay. Or China Russia can't run Russia. Or fucking India, who's becoming a superpower.
Speaker 5So what I've seen as far as they into Ukraine. There was a corruption scandal. I would really have to go through it. But from what it says, like, oh, we gave 133 billion in emergency aid, Then it goes we gave 24 billion for defense. We gave 24 billion for, you know, cash, we gave 20, you know. So I don't know if that, all that extra 24 billion, this 24 billion, that 30 billion, if that's part of that, 133.
Speaker 5Yeah that 133 number or not, or that's the breakdown of the 133, but we've given over 130 billion dollars out of minimum.
Speaker 2Right.
Speaker 5Over there, all right.
Speaker 2Can I throw something at that real quick. They had it Go ahead.
Speaker 4No, go ahead, you finish, I'm going to go over here. You know there was, there was a ordeal that broke out with, you know, the Ukrainian government. You know embezzling like $40 million.
Speaker 8Well, they're Hunter and Joe's buddies.
Speaker 6It's right, you know, yeah he's got to get his money back.
Speaker 4You know there's foreign interest.
Speaker 2You know I was going to throw something into what Charlie was saying because he was throwing numbers out. What do you say? 132 billion?
Speaker 8133.
Speaker 2Yeah, just to put that in perspective, the most recent budget for the veterans affairs was 119 billion, so that's kind of how I'm going to scale things Like what could the VA do with double its budget?
Speaker 5Yeah, got you some more freedom, you know what I mean. And they've been doing really good work.
Speaker 2I don't know if you guys have been listening, but they've been doing really good work on homeless veterans. I've heard they've been doing really making progress. So what could they do if they fucking doubled their budget?
Speaker 5Well, so this is what we were talking about. Did you hear what I said?
Speaker 2What you said 133 and I said 119 billion was the VA budget.
Speaker 5So we had Trey's wife in here right In Poland, and she says about all the stuff that they do in Poland their military is tiny, they don't give a shit what happens, they take care of themselves. So imagine if we had all this money right, kids could go to school for free, they can go to college. People have houses, people get a basic wage all this shit instead.
Speaker 6And go over there for someone else, and those do you create that 133 billion, like you say.
Speaker 3But what is the consequence of not stopping Russia? Ask Poland, they're closer. Ask Poland. Yeah, I can tell you what the consequence is. We don't stop in Ukraine, they're going to go into fucking Poland. That's Poland's problem. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing when we were attacked on 9-11, the article 5 was invoked for the first time ever and everybody went to bat for us, all the NATO countries. Poland is a NATO country, ukraine is not.
Speaker 5So how do they go to bat for us? What do they do? Who's that? What did Poland? Do they fucking? Hey, good job guys, Go ahead and get it.
Speaker 3No, they were in Iraq. They were in Iraq, they were in Afghanistan. Trust me, I know. I was at FAB ECHO, which was ran by Polish. Before I got there, we were still digging up the vodka bottles, and when I was there, we were digging up the vodka bottles because they were drinking it and they were burying it in the sand over there.
Speaker 5So they just sent a bunch of dudes over there to establish a base and probably really didn't do anything besides something. Probably not, but I mean Just to look like they did something?
Speaker 3Probably not, but they did send people over there. I'm sure there were some Polish people that died on our behalf. No, I understand that.
Speaker 5I'm not knocking them, no, I'm just saying I mean, are they really out there doing missions to support us?
Speaker 3Probably not, and I get what you're saying. I do get what you're saying, but there were countries that were there with us England, for example.
Speaker 4So, as far as support, you can break that down. How much money? $133 billion. You wouldn't think $100 billion should be plenty enough for them to stay armed.
Speaker 5The problem is, the only thing that we can ever keep accountability on is if we send weapons and or equipment. Sure, because we know the shit got shipped there, we write a check and we send it there. You think they're going to send us an actual receipt of what they've spent money on?
Speaker 3President's taken about no President's taken 5%. The fucking prime minister's taken. Yeah, Sure man, there's no way to keep accountability. Just think of it.
Speaker 5We'll send you food and we're going to send you equipment, but we ain't sending you any cash. Bingo, cash is your problem. Bingo, you know what I mean, because then we actually have accountability of what we actually know what the value is.
Speaker 3We know what the money is. Now that you say that, why the fuck? Where do we send them money? Yeah, why would we not like? Okay, what do you send us a list of what you need? We'll fucking buy it and send it over there, but why am I going to give you money for what?
Speaker 4Quit sending you know billions of dollars, so there's a chance for the government to afford it, because they're in a war.
Speaker 5And now they can't afford to buy food for the people and they can't afford to do that We'll fucking send you food. We'll just air drop your ass food.
Speaker 4We'll send you pallets and sea rations and MRDs.
Speaker 5But there was actually people.
Speaker 4I saw a Tic-Tac and I didn't know. Good enough for our folks, good enough for the American people or the American military when they're fighting overseas? It's good enough for you guys when you're at war.
Speaker 5I'm just saying, like I saw Tic-Tac and of course I'm not going to believe everything I see on Tic-Tac unless I make them, because I made them so I know that they're actually legit. But I saw a thing years ago when the whole Ukraine thing popped off. Most people are making like $30,000 or $40,000 in their money. So there'll be $30,000 or $40,000 here Not to go to work. Because they can't go to work, so we're paying them to stay home. So there's a war in the United States, canada, which send you a check for $30,000 a year so you could just not go to work.
Speaker 3Because we're propping up their fucking economy. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 5That's what we're doing with the cash, right, not how much of it actually is really getting out into the hands of the people that need it. Who knows? Yeah, there's no way to track the cash. Yeah, yeah, and I have no problem sending tanks and guns and bullets and bombs and food, medical supplies and gear.
Speaker 4All that shit we left in Afghanistan.
Speaker 6We could have sent to Ukraine, because I know, because I know We'll drop all the bombs you want, you can keep accountability of it.
Speaker 5The left of the United States, it went there. I know the shit's there, right, you send cash. Who the hell knows? It's another $50 million yacht sitting in the Red Sea somewhere that the fucking president has you know, or?
Speaker 4whatever it's another Zelensky buying a mansion in Florida.
Speaker 6You know what I mean.
Speaker 4Yeah, any problem.
Speaker 8Yeah, it'd be another party that the Bidens go to Well, whatever.
Speaker 3You'd go if you had invited man it's a good thing.
Speaker 5I made popcorn and now Joe's going to make a bunch of noise trying to open his fucking combos.
Speaker 6Oh wait, combo you open it, go ahead.
Speaker 5I just wanted to give you a hard time.
Speaker 2We were all quietly eating popcorn and use the quiet version. There you go.
Speaker 5Don't hurt yourself. Don't hurt yourself. There's seasoning and butter and all that. How's it going?
Speaker 7We got brains.
Speaker 2So I just walked out and now I'm back. So I heard you say, heard somebody say why the fuck are we sending money?
Speaker 3I was saying I mean it just kind of hit me like all right, why are we not sending just structure?
Speaker 2We need to send a list of what is a tangible object, yeah, and that you can keep accountability.
Speaker 5We know we ship 50 tanks.
Speaker 2Because worst case scenario, if we send 50 tanks and they get fucked, well hey, you know, 50 tanks are gone. There's a lot better than fucking 133 billion gone that we have no accountability.
Speaker 3How much does a tank cost?
Speaker 2I don't know probably 20 million.
Speaker 5So part of that article I read. It showed like 56 billion in. It was like military aid and it had actually had a list. Like 198 Humvees, 100 tanks, 100 of this it was pretty detailed, bro down. I just don't know.
Speaker 2I was just looking it up Yep 10 million bucks for an.
Speaker 5Abrams tank. So this thing, I looked up where it said that 133 and that had all the different breakdowns I don't know if there were additions to that because it said you know we're sending 60 billion in cash and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 5So, but it actually had to actually kind of had a breakdown of what it was, but it was pretty cash heavy.
Speaker 3So well, what we figured out is they're trying to we're trying to prop up their economy, so we're paying their people to not work because they can't work, because there's a fucking war on them. I saw a TikTok that showed that right.
Speaker 5It's like you know, because you wrecked in the beginning, you'd see these TikToks come off from Russian soldiers or Ukrainian soldiers and shit, you know, and the guy was like yep, I'm just sitting at home and you guys are paying me not to go to work. You know, I'm making 30, 30,000 or 40,000, whatever Ukrainian dollars a month, no year. Oh, okay, but still, I mean you got.
Speaker 4That's more salaries than you got. A fraction of Americans?
Speaker 5Oh, you got right, you know you got. You got people in America, right? If you're a hundred percent disability, what are you making? 40,000 a year, 46,000. Okay, 46,000. So if you can make $40,000 a set of home and I'm pretty sure you probably still working, probably still doing something to make some dollars on the side, right, or whatever I get it. Yeah, but did you imagine? So you said at home, and your wife said at home, and you both got 40 grand 80 grand or 30 grand, so you're 60 or whatever.
Speaker 5It is right, I mean, I don't even know if that thing was true or not, right yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, right, I mean theoretically yeah.
Speaker 5Something you just said on there and said something.
Speaker 2I mean because didn't Abraham Lincoln say that you can believe everything in Facebook?
Speaker 8I believe it was, and he said the best way to get air conditioning is it's bullet to the brain.
Speaker 5The air passes right through. Cool your right down. I mean you go cold like I guess in a day.
Speaker 3Probably less than that.
Speaker 5Pretty quick, best sleep you'll ever have.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 5Nothing can wake you. Nothing can wake you up.
Speaker 3How cold. Now, speaking of President Abraham Lincoln, we segue into our discussion about base renaming. That's what we want to talk about tonight.
Speaker 2So I have a list of the bases. I'm going to just name them off real quick.
Speaker 5And let me guess they're going to be all army bases, does it say?
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, because they're all forts. What is?
Speaker 6a marine.
Speaker 3Marine is a base.
Speaker 5We just call them bases, yeah which is the same as in the name of the Air Force.
Speaker 8Probably the same way I thought they were camp, base Camp, help Camp.
Speaker 5Camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp Camp. Camp.
Speaker 6Yes, sir.
Speaker 8OK, so the other forces are the same which I'll say they are war.
Controversial Name Changes and Discussions
Speaker 2We're obviously on base, yeah Shoot. So yeah, army installations that are going to be changing their name. Fort Barfoot is going, excuse me, Fort Pickett is going to be called Fort Barfoot. It's the Fort Pickett.
Speaker 6Virginia.
Speaker 2Virginia, ok. Fort Navasel, navasel, nav-a-who, n-o-v-o-s-e-l.
Speaker 4Navasel, navasel.
Speaker 2Navasel, fort Moore. Our current name is going to Alright. Current name.
Speaker 3Fort Benning, there it is. Your current name is Fort Benning too. Yep, fort Moore, yep, but we talk about that Real quick, fort Moore.
Speaker 2That's named after Howmore. We were soldiers Howmore.
Speaker 5We were soldiers. Army Lieutenant General, give it up.
Speaker 3Give it up to Howmore Yep, who the fuck is Benning? I don't even know. You're the.
Speaker 5Confederate General, I'm sure. Yeah, absolutely, you had to be. I mean, that's why they're changing it.
Speaker 8Yep, Uh, who Well somebody's pussy's hurt all the time.
Speaker 2Nurt is looking it up, but Fort Bragg is going to be called Fort Liberty.
Speaker 7I need a badge with it it says that. On it it says Nurt for my best.
Speaker 2Sorry about the nerd's combos bag causing all the crinkles in the microphone. Just make sure there's.
Speaker 5But you can eat the whole bag almost no. Are you going to eat it because Uncle will get you something to pour in it?
Speaker 2Oh, sure so anyway, I appreciate it what I say. Fort Bragg is going to be Fort Liberty, fort Gordon is going to Fort Eisenhower, fort AP Hill is going to Fort Walker. That's over. Jr Fort Hood is being called Fort Cavizos, cavazos, cavazos.
Speaker 8Max Mack.
Speaker 2Fort Lee is going to Fort Greg Adams and Fort Polk is going to Fort Johnson. Who's Greg Adams Johnson?
Speaker 5I think that's a that's a basketball star for the so.
Speaker 2Lieutenant.
Speaker 4General Arthur Gregg and Lieutenant Colonel Charity Adams. While Gregg played a key role in allowing blacks into the army, Lieutenant Colonel Adams blazed trails during World War II to become one of the highest ranking female soldiers in World War II. So it's a common.
Speaker 5Anybody here watch South Park.
Speaker 8I guess we're talking about us.
Speaker 5Do you ever remember there was a South Park episode where they go to like war and you have like the white guys and the black guys and they're like we're gonna have the black guys go first, or whatever? They're like what the hell is it called Operation Get Behind Darkie?
Speaker 2Is there like fighting?
Speaker 5the aliens or something. And that chef, he was like, wait a minute, something's wrong here. I just remember. It was like the most that show is so out of bounds you know shit, but it's funny. I mean, of course we laugh about it. It's not, but it is, you know.
Speaker 2But, shows like that survived like fucking. Family Guy isn't as bad, but Family Guy can be pretty dark sometimes.
Speaker 3I mean all those not as bad as South Park. South Park is the king of that shit. Oh yeah, that was extreme.
Speaker 4South Park became before everything else, didn't it?
Speaker 2That was before Family Guy.
Speaker 5Simpsons were kind of that way. I mean, they were the ones that really kind of started pushing the envelope with talking to the kids and the kids doing stuff.
Speaker 6Right, you know that yeah that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5Simpsons started and then.
Speaker 3South Park. I just progressively got worse. South Park is still going. I remember it started in 1997 when I joined the army. That's when South Park started. It is still fucking going.
Speaker 5Well, Simpsons ran like 30 years or something.
Speaker 3They're still going, they're still making new episodes.
Speaker 7Honestly, though, I remember like a time fucking machine, or something.
Speaker 2Well, Simpsons has fucking predicted the future. How many times now?
Speaker 5Yeah, who's that? Leslie Groening, or whatever his name is, that produces it, or whatever they think he's.
Speaker 3Matt Groening.
Speaker 5Is that what it is? Yeah, he's a time traveler or some shit, because he had, like Trump, coming down the escalator, he's had 9-11 and had all these crazy predictions of shit happening. So pretty crazy.
Speaker 3How you guys feeling about these name changes Bullshit.
Speaker 2I think it's stupid. I mean, I understand why they're doing it, but it doesn't change the fact that I think it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 8You can't erase history.
Speaker 6It is what it is.
Speaker 5The problem is if you erase history, it will definitely repeat itself. Absolutely Right. So if you get, if you wipe this off the planet, right, 50 years from now, we're all going to be gone and kids being born now will have no idea who these people are. They're going to well, but they're going to erase all these shit out of history, Bucks. And then the cycle will start over again.
Speaker 8Just as the way.
Speaker 5it's always worked that way, you know so. But yeah, so we've had some pretty cool, pretty cool stuff going on at the post lately. You know there's a still flying breakfast or being made. We got breakfast on Sunday, are?
Speaker 3we changing the subject. I feel like you're changing the subject right now. No, I want to get into this about. Tim really wants to get into this. I know to get into this. He's upset.
Speaker 8Tim's upset because people are going to say I'm an old, fat white guy, Okay well they're right.
Speaker 6All that.
Speaker 8All of that Okay, and I'm okay with that. Okay, but the Confederate soldiers were still United States soldiers, were they? Yes, that's why they're buried of. Congress passed a bill back in the day and you guys can probably look that up. That's why they're buried there's. They're buried in Arlington National Cemetery. If I know when they passed that, and it wasn't like in 1882 either it was. It was like in the 20th century, like so 1940 something yeah something right in there, okay, so there's.
Speaker 8there's still soldiers. What is it 1900. They're still soldiers. They fought for a cause, their belief.
Speaker 2So their way of life. So 40 years after it happened, they basically said let's let bygones be bygones and move forward Right.
Speaker 8Our Arlington National Cemetery was. The land was donated by Robert E Lee's wife, so we can go down there and tear that fucker down.
Speaker 2Was it donated? I think, we took it first, didn't we? Seriously, I think that's it.
Speaker 8I don't know, but that's who owned the land.
Speaker 3Yeah, but was it, when you say it was donated, they sold it? Oh they did Okay.
Speaker 5They sold it. Yeah, sold it. Huh, when 1900? 1882. For $150,000. Yeah, that's a lot of money then. That'd be like 30 million now. I bet ya Something ridiculous, george Washington. I mean you were making like four cents an hour back then.
Speaker 8Yeah, you know George Washington. He had slaves. Why aren't we tearing down the Washington fucking monument? Four?
Speaker 2million. Right, yeah, that's what happened Most of our first few presidents all had slaves Because it was a sign of the time.
Speaker 8It was just the way it was and I'm gonna throw this out there, but I'm not gonna say African-American, because I don't see black there you go, thank you.
Speaker 3Okay, for those of you that don't know, I am a black man, but my cousin likes to call me racially ambiguous. If you saw me, I could be anything. When girls used to ask me what I was, I used to ask them what do you want me to be?
Speaker 4Even though he's black, it's still debatable if he's the sexiest man in here, that's right, roy is he's.
Speaker 3He's coming alive. He's coming alive.
Speaker 6He's coming alive for my money no.
Speaker 5And obviously around the race thing, right, because a lot of us in this room we grew up in mid-Michigan, right? I remember in high school or middle school, grade school, five or six black students, right, Maybe, maybe my whole 12 years.
Speaker 3Nine years, my whole 12 years, this guy in Chippews. He had a lot of work, did you?
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 3Chippews.
Speaker 5Half of. Macasta, here in Mount Pleasant, you can count them on one hand.
Speaker 4Yeah, you can count them on one hand Probably count them on one hand.
Speaker 6Yeah, probably could Like for 12 years.
Speaker 5So you know, for me it was definitely an eye-opening experience when I Joined the Militia.
Speaker 5Yeah, when I joined the Marines and I hit bouquet for the first time and we had Hispanics, we had Latins, we had blacks, asians, asians, we had Pericans yeah, we had all sorts man, and you really realize how America is a melting pot from all these different nations and countries and how each one betters another one. Because my friends that were Hispanics, andy Garcia, was just down here a couple weeks ago and talking with us about stuff. One of the best dudes ever, man, that's my kid's named after him. Right, he took me in like I was his fricking brother. We all do that sitting around the table. We're around each other a lot, you know. But I mean it's been 25 years I've been out and we still talk all the time. You know what I mean, so it's really cool to see.
Speaker 5You know how, coming from small town America, you know we have friends from everywhere and we make the jokes and we pick on people. You know it's like. You know white, black people don't go on cruises.
Speaker 2Yeah, we already got fooled.
Speaker 8Once you know what I mean.
Speaker 3So I mean, I mean we make, we make jokes Don't get us kicked off this fucking platform, oh we make.
Speaker 5We make the jokes, we laugh at it. But you know you tell the white boy jokes whatever. It's all for fun, right? I mean, nothing's ever met out of malicious intent. We all do it just like. You know you want to go, you know that's what. I think that wasn't a joke, though this fucking counts.
Speaker 3Oh man Hilarious, Take my combos again.
Speaker 5Joe.
Speaker 7I forgot you were funny.
Speaker 8So, my point is not just black people were enslaved. The Chinese were, the Japanese were. What happened to Japanese during World War II?
Speaker 5In turn, they camped Irish Yep, I was going to say my heritage enslaved in Jamaica. Yeah, they literally put my ancestors on the boat and floated them to Jamaica. So I get it, it's all happened.
Speaker 8But yeah, we only seem to. We only seem to hit one portion of all them, people that are enslaved. You know, my my thing was always bad when the president of the United States become a is a black man and he's president of the United States, I think your race cards done especially two terms and overwhelmingly. Two terms, yeah, popular president, yeah, yeah, I think now it's time for us to quit.
US Government Corruption and Politics
Speaker 3I think I think we can. We can all say unequivocally that Barack Obama was probably the best president ever in the United States of America. Right, right, right, no, no, what, oh, come on, he was a great president. I can tell you that.
Speaker 5Yeah, I, I never once had, and so with me I vote on a man every year. I don't care what affiliation.
Speaker 3I do the same thing for the Barack Obama. I did, oh my God.
Speaker 2You know I voted for him on his first one.
Speaker 5I voted for him twice and I will tell you this I don't, ever, no matter. I don't care if it's at the city commission level, the county commission, I don't care the fucking school board, I don't care what political, and if some are political, some are not right, some are nonpartisan ballots, but I don't care what side of the aisle you belong on, I really don't care. Tell me what you actually believe and if you get the seat, you better do the things that you said, because if you don't, next time you come up you're done. Right, I gave you a shot, you know. You had me believing and you fucked me over. You're done. Now I get it. If you run into a stone wall and you know what I mean, I mean there's other things that go into it because, yeah, you could run on a big grandstand thing and nothing gets accomplished, because politics are politics because, yeah, because Congress won't do this or they won't do that, you know.
Speaker 5So I mean, I get there's other things at play, but I really don't care, right?
Speaker 4But you know, even as I have two Trump flags hanging at the shop, but I'm just saying this red, you know this red versus blue, you know political ordeal and he's an end.
Speaker 3It does, it does Absolutely.
Speaker 4It's just a standing ground, you know, for whichever side you know to promote their views Views, I mean once they start scaling up that ladder, you know they don't abide by those.
Speaker 7Yeah, they don't give a fuck about us.
Speaker 4No, you know so you know, when you get to those levels, I don't care if you're red, blue, like because it doesn't matter anymore. I don't believe it.
Speaker 3I'll let you hear about those levels, those levels like a power You're talking about, president.
Speaker 5Yeah, you're going to go through your state seven right. Or your house, but even then you're going to go to the national and then you're going to be working your way up the ladder.
Speaker 4You even see it at the state you know levels. I mean they're you know your city levels and stuff like our. You know out in front of you, know everybody as much as like your state levels and of government stuff. But I mean, I'm pretty sure you know it's even happening at your local, you know month of fuckers, come up and says your grass is too tall, you know.
Speaker 7I mean like my mother.
Speaker 8I got more.
Speaker 3I just want to go go back to okay, let's do it.
Speaker 8Go back to what you said about it's on, listen, the 11 clerk against 11 Bravo that we've elected a black president.
Speaker 3Racism is over.
Speaker 8That's it Done. No, I don't mean that, I don't. I do not mean that. I mean he showed every black person in the country, everybody in the world, that you can do anything you fucking want to do if you just pull your fucking pants up and do it. You pull your fucking pants up and you quit being a gangbanger. And I'm not saying just black people are gangbangers, because there's white gangbangers too. Okay, you just quit being a douchebag, right, and don't woe on me. Oh, my God, they're keeping me down. The only people that keep you down is you, right, right, and that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that I didn't like the guy. I didn't think he did a bad job, right, but did I vote for him? Absolutely not. And number one reason is because he had Hillary as his secretary.
Speaker 5I know, charlie, I'm fine as Metta man.
Speaker 8But the biggest thing for me with and I'm going to throw some, I'll give him some respect, president Obama is he had Hillary Clinton, who's the most crooked motherfucker. She's probably killed more people in the United States Army, right? Okay, she killed people in Benghazi and lied to fucking about it, and he didn't take her down. I can tell you this.
Speaker 3Once you and this is just my thought once you get to those levels of power, you are corruptible, oh, absolutely Corrupted or corruptible.
Speaker 5So yeah, so explain to me how.
Speaker 3So he was told. He was told by his handlers or whoever. You will put Hillary Clinton in this position.
Speaker 8Yeah, and Hillary probably turned around. If you do anything to me, I'll kill you, like I have my bodyguard and all these other motherfuckers.
Speaker 4And that's just it. Even though they're the president behind his power in our country. They're still controllable, they're still a public.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, just a face, and it's always been that way, right, so you don't become a senator, congressman at the national level, president, vice president, anything. You take a position that you get paid $150,000 a year, $220,000 or whatever it is. If you're the president and you retire with $50 million in the bank, right, how? Is that you just can't.
Speaker 2Bad math, yeah. Speaking engagements and writing a book Sure yeah.
Speaker 5Come visit us for 15 minutes and we're going to pay you $6 million. Right, that's not my company buying what we want to sell you Right Now. If you come speak to us, I'm going to pay you a ridiculous amount of money. There's always a way around things. You know what I mean. You know it's unfortunate, unfair to the average American, because ultimately that's what they do.
Speaker 5There's actually a guy out there and that's all he does is he day trades and he shifts his money around in the stock market based on what Congress is doing. So every day. He'll know. You know where Tim Ier to be, just sold 100 shares of Delta and he bought into this or whatever. So guess what he does. He makes the appropriate amount of shares and he might not have a thousand shares, he might have 10. So if he's looted, he's dumping 20% and he's done with 20% of his and he's buying 20% of the next one, right, and he's like. I tell you, I don't even have a fucking job. All I do is trade what they're trading and when they sell, I sell and I'm making a shit ton of money, and all these people sit in these because they all sit in these committees.
Speaker 7They know what's going on.
Speaker 5So they know, hey, we're going to be giving a whole bunch of money to study a fucking purple potato.
Speaker 6Guess what I'm going to fucking get into I'm going to get into purple potatoes.
Speaker 5So they're biased, you know. So that's that's all he does. Now, it's crazy.
Speaker 2Number one. What the fuck is that? You know like? Well, it's actually a website you can go to and watch it.
Speaker 6They've legalized it for free.
Speaker 4Yeah, and here's all the trades being made by Senate Congress, like you can, just so.
Speaker 3Congress, Congress, who makes and forms? The fucking laws of this country made it legal for them to do insider trading. But that's exactly what they're doing, If Tim Arnaby did it, if Tim got some insider information.
Speaker 5I'd be playing hide the slummy with Bubba and Spike Exactly, exactly. So they fucking got it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3Congress has legalized has linked us.
Speaker 4No fat white guy.
Speaker 3Congress has legalized insider trading for themselves. They've legalized bribery for themselves. So all those the Supreme Court has backed them up and said that corporations are people. Corporations are people. This is a Charlie. You're looking at me like unbelievable. No, I'm looking at you like I already know all their shit. Yeah, they're fucking. They legalize this shit so that the money just keeps flowing into their fucking pocket.
Speaker 8So I got a question Okay, and I think we discussed this too how long can a president serve? Eight years, total Eight years, and why are these motherfuckers able to serve for fucking 50 years? No, no, no, you said president, no.
Speaker 5I'm not.
Speaker 2Congress is unlimited, yeah, but why there's no term limit? Why?
Speaker 5Because they have to vote on their own term limits.
Speaker 8Exactly how wrong is that so?
Speaker 5let me ask you a question how many years can you serve as post commander Until?
Speaker 8somebody else.
Speaker 5So then why don't we make a bylaw that says a post commander can only serve one year?
Speaker 2Shoot us in the foot.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 5So, why the fuck would they want to shoot themselves in the foot? Do you want to vote yourself out of your own job? You want to say, hey when I hey, no matter how good I'm doing or how bad I'm doing, I've got to. I agree with that, but that's why they're not going to do it.
Speaker 8Well, they're not going to do it because it ends their job. You're saying are you like? You're saying they're not going to do it because they've got their hands into everything and they're making money, money, money, but they have to be re-voted in every time, though.
Speaker 3No, no, yeah, no, they got to. They got to get voted in again after they have to be in, whatever yeah.
Speaker 5So it'd be a but there's no like saying, hey, you can only serve in Congress for 12 years or the Senate for 12 years.
Speaker 8We, the people, are lazy motherfuckers because probably out of how many billion people we got, but we're too naive and go with 330 million and we don't even and we don't even fucking. A quarter of us, 10% of us, don't even fucking vote.
Speaker 5They've. So oh, I'd say, at least I'd say damn, they're half yeah.
Speaker 4They throw an ad on TV and, depending on you know what political side you follow, you're just like, okay, yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 5You don't, you know we don't Nobody researched, so lazy.
JFK Assassination and Political Changes
Speaker 3Nobody goes and does a research and sees it. It's true or not, confirmation bias is what they call it. I mean, you look at Feinstein oh geez, that bitch died, right yeah.
Speaker 6Oh really.
Speaker 8I think she did. She did die, all right. I missed her few. How long was she a fucking senator? For a hundred years. What does she?
Speaker 3know she's fucking Tim, probably, since you were a fucking baby Probably why he was there.
Speaker 5He was in the jeeps back then he was elected.
Speaker 8It's like and this is another thing I hate Okay, what do you think this country would be like if they hired, if they elected a 42 year old president? I think you'd be running a lot better because you're with the times. The these motherfuckers that are a hundred years old. They don't have any clue?
Speaker 4Not really, though, because again, the president is controlled, you know, by the lower level candidates.
Speaker 8How old was John F Kennedy when he got in he?
Speaker 2was 30. I think he was 36.
Speaker 5No way. And how long did he last?
Speaker 7No, he had to be a certain age and it would become prime yeah, 35. 35 at minimum. He didn't last long he was.
Speaker 4He was in his 30s, I know it was. He was trying to go against the grain Right and they killed him. They killed him. You go against the establishment. He was 43. Okay.
Speaker 5He was in his 40s or upper 40s.
Speaker 3He was young yeah.
Speaker 2So so talk about 47.
Speaker 5Yeah, he was, he was young.
Speaker 3Because I think, I think he was the youngest.
Speaker 2John F Kennedy was the youngest president ever elected, yeah.
Speaker 8And.
Speaker 3I think it was John F Kennedy.
Speaker 8I think he was too. But the point is like you said, Roy, John F Kennedy got waxed because he went against the establishment. Well, not only that there's a little. There's another history and I think we talked about this a little bit and I don't remember. Yeah, the gold standards and the dollars no it was one of the things that a book I read when I was in the Crossbar Motel. You read it, yeah, I read, but basically he won 35.
Speaker 1He read a lot to be president. He used to could.
Speaker 8That's crazy, Basically John F Kennedy's dad, Jack Kennedy, who was a senator forever Him and fucking vice president for Kennedy.
Speaker 6Johnson, johnson.
Speaker 8And they were kind of like close, but they got a tiffed. So it was. It was ironic that Johnson became the vice president under Jack's son the powers that be yeah. And so that's how that's like. I believe it. I want to say Roosevelt, roosevelt, yeah.
Speaker 5So they wanted the.
Speaker 8Roosevelt. So then, why did Kennedy get killed then? Why did he got killed?
Speaker 5because people, because he was ruckling the federal he said he wanted to get rid of the federal reserves.
Speaker 8He wanted to get rid of CIA A couple of things.
Speaker 5The federal reserve is a private bank.
Speaker 8And you want to get rid of the CIA.
Speaker 3Listen. No, because he did not want to go into Vietnam. Because he didn't want to go into Vietnam, listen. When did? When did we? When did?
Speaker 5we start this Vietnam war.
Speaker 3I'm asking.
Speaker 8Joe, we had to we had we had observers like in 63, 64 Vietnam.
Speaker 4I think it was 65.
Speaker 8Yeah.
Speaker 5When actually it was established. 65. Okay.
Speaker 8Then put when was the first American in Vietnam?
Speaker 5I think they call them. Yeah, that was probably 63 or 64.
Speaker 8I think that's more like 60, 59, 60 65. Okay, when was I? When was JFK?
Speaker 3assassinated. 63. There you go. So Lyndon Johnson sent him, lyndon Johnson sent him Right yeah.
Speaker 8That's a lot of motherfucker right there because there is. We had American troops in Vietnam before the 60s, yeah.
Speaker 3Okay. Do we know why we we got involved in the Vietnam war, the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
Speaker 8Yeah, that's what they're saying, yeah.
Speaker 3That's what. That's what preceded us to going into Vietnam. I mean, guess what? That shit never happened.
Speaker 4So, it's not a war.
Speaker 5It's conflict. Yeah, google.
Speaker 3It never happened. The Gulf of Tonkin never happened. It was a lie. That was told. I don't know. It was a lie.
Speaker 5We should have and Kennedy's. That's in Federal Reserve. Let's see what it says. Because they were the two presidents that were assassinated because they wanted to get off the one of the American habits on money. And I go through the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank hold by the.
Speaker 4Rothschilds and all them.
Speaker 5Right, right.
Speaker 4What are the mega powers of the world?
Speaker 2So, they're old school from Europe, so talking about the, the term limits and just like how politics is done nowadays. I don't know about you guys but maybe in the next 20 years or so I think we're going to see some pretty significant like political changes. I for one have been following the convention of states movement. Have you guys heard about that? Never heard that. So they're. They're getting pretty fucking far. Convention of states what is it?
Speaker 5So are you talking about leaving like succeeding in the US. Oh okay, I didn't know if this was because they have to do the convention of the states, where they can actually vote themselves on the United States.
Speaker 6What Texas could do.
Speaker 5Yeah, they decided to leave the United States, I could.
Speaker 2So convention of states convention of states is under article five of the Constitution and it basically explains how, as we know, congress by two thirds vote has to approve the Constitution amendments and at which point it goes to the states to be ratified. Right, that's the normal way. The other way is that kind of backwards you get Congress completely out of it and you get three fourths of the states to vote to start a convention and then they send delegates, they vote on whatever amendments they want to do and then it gets sent out to be so who at the states determines that we can hold the convention?
Speaker 5The legislators. Okay, so you got to get every house and Senate of each state to vote to do this. You have to get.
Speaker 2You have to get three quarters of them, so you're going to get like 38 states or whatever it is. So two, I stand corrected. Two thirds of the states have to pass an identically worded resolution, and then Congress, according to the Constitution, is forced to call a convention.
Speaker 6They have no choice.
Speaker 2They have to, and then Congress after that point is completely out of it. They have your, your bias.
Speaker 8So when they did this, then the people, the legislators, the state, state's legislature would act on the wall. They should act on behalf of the people in their states and the people, the United States citizens, we, the people, could say we want term limits for Congress.
Speaker 2We want term limits. We want, whatever it has to be, what their application says. They identical worded your requirement and I'm not going to bother reading it unless you want to, but the point is is they have limited this convention to three specific things reigning in the federal government, the powers of the federal government, fiscal restraints and, I believe term limits was one of them. So, anyway, so you need 34 of the states to pass this resolution. 19 of them have already, really, yes, and the ones that there are, some there's a handful that the application has passed in one chamber but not the other.
Speaker 8Please tell me Michigan's one of them. No, no, fuck them, I'm moving to fucking Texas. No, I'm not.
Speaker 2I hate Texas. Let's see the ones that have passed it let's see Very Republican Texas hasn't passed it either. Georgia, Alaska, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Indiana, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arizona, North Dakota, Texas did pass it Missouri, Arkansas, Utah, Mississippi, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Wisconsin.
Speaker 8I'll go to Indiana or Wisconsin. Fuck, I can't do that because I hate the Packers. I can't live in fucking Wisconsin you don't want to be a cheesehead. No.
Speaker 3The cheese is delicious over there. I've been there. I don't care I ain't there cheese I bet you have. I told you it was an everything right.
Speaker 8What was her name? Don't worry about it, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2So anyway, we need 34 states to pass the resolution, and 19 have passed it already.
Speaker 8Interesting.
Speaker 2Something to look at. Good to have a geek right, good to have a geek. I've been following these guys. When it comes up in Michigan, you're damn straight. I'll be down in Lansing because the thing is with the state process. You have to open that up because it goes through the committees before it goes to the floor the whole night. When they put it on the committee floor you can go down to Lansing and say your piece.
Speaker 8How'd that work out with the guys with the M4s?
Speaker 6Probably not.
Speaker 2So the reason I brought that up, though specifically, was I foresee some significant things happening politically the next 20 years, because if they do get a convention passed and that convention says hey there's going to be term limits now, you know well, one convention had already been passed at that point, so who's to say we don't have another? For some other specific reasons, you know, because there's a lot of people that are going against the fricking electoral college and doing all these other?
Speaker 5things. The popular vote should not even be done in the state.
Speaker 6In this state.
Speaker 5At any state level. Why? Because a popular vote is a terrible idea, because it does not represent your state. Why it's tyranny of the majority Because you have the tyranny of the majority. So if you have between Lansing, Grand Rapids and Detroit, do you think they have more say, rules or regulations than some of that lives up in Sault Ste Marie?
Speaker 3Well, of course they do. There's more population.
Speaker 5So let me ask you a question. If California decides to vote on rules that apply to our post right, and they say your. Bfw is going to go do this, this, this, this, this, this, this this.
Speaker 5And we have 75 more million members than you do in Michigan and now we have to do that. Is that fair to us? No, they don't live here. They have no idea what actually goes on. So when you take the power away from the minority, right, that's what you're doing. When you do a popular vote, you take it away from the minority and you give it to the majority.
Speaker 8So you're saying the electrical college is a good thing.
Speaker 2Did he say electrical college, electrical?
Speaker 8Right son.
Speaker 7So there's two good examples for this too.
Speaker 3Now you care about the minority.
Speaker 5I always care about the minority, so the country is supposed to be ran from the majority. Think about it in the 50s and 60s when you had water problems and shit.
Speaker 7the majority was to take control of that Same thing. In Germany, you had the Nazis taking care of the Jews. They were the majority. Were they doing the right thing just because they were voting that way?
Speaker 3I get it, I get it.
Speaker 8But the popular vote is bad because you'll always have a president in California once we have a governor.
Speaker 5The governor never comes to Mount Pleasant, Michigan, to campaign. Why? Because all she needs is Detroit.
Speaker 6Lansing and Grand Rapids In Flint. That's it.
Speaker 5So the only place she has to go to, so she's not never going to come up here, or he's never going to come up here and talk to us. Maybe they might go to Traverse City. Maybe Maybe but just because it's pretty up there, so they're going to want to go up there.
Speaker 8And they're going to go up there to get to Rio Grande. They're definitely not going to go to the UP.
Speaker 5Yeah, they're talking to anybody up there to find out what their problems and concerns are. What can I do?
Speaker 2to help you up here. And don't forget, let's expand this back to the federal level real quick. Don't forget. The state legislatures used to be the ones that decided who your state senators were. Remember that? Well, none of us do, because that was before our time. No, I don't know about that.
Speaker 8I always remember having to vote for state senators.
Speaker 2Well, it was not always like that. Early 1900s they passed a law. It was either the law or a constitutional amendment that you voted at that.
The Evolution of the Electoral College
Speaker 3Well, I believe that the people and we're talking 1800s used to. We didn't elect a president. We elected representatives who chose the president.
Speaker 2And that's the electoral colleges, what we do right now, and then they're even talking about, did you find it? No, I wasn't sure if you're only looking up when we started directly electing our federal Senate.
Speaker 5So here it is.
Speaker 2And at the same time we started.
Speaker 3I want to say it was like 1910 or 1920.
Speaker 21914., 1914.
Speaker 3What about the?
Speaker 2president, president's always been elected the way we've had to.
Speaker 5That was always about Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3Yeah so look it up. Look it up, it's always been elected motherfucker what you think.
Speaker 8somebody just said oh, would you be the? Oh? By the way, tray, I'm going to appoint you as the fucking president.
Speaker 2Well, the city of my pleasant Right and at the same time you could argue that was maybe Washington because he was the first, but I mean, I think he was elected.
Speaker 5We elect the city commissioners Right, right, and they're going to be a staggered terms, you know. So they're not all expiring in the same year. But every year that commission elects a mayor, a vice mayor it's not voted on by the citizens of my pleasant. We elect them to that committee, right, and so the commission, city commission, and then every year they vote on who they want to run out of them.
Speaker 3Right, what'd you find, joe?
Speaker 7This says the founding fathers established the electoral college and the constitution in part as a compromise between election the president by a vote in Congress, election the president by a popular vote to qualify the citizens. However, the term electoral college does not appear in a constitution. Article two the constitution 12th amendment referred electors but not to electoral college.
Speaker 3So what? So how was the president elected back in the day?
Speaker 8He just read it. You dumbass, Stupid fucking cocksucker.
Speaker 6That didn't really say nothing.
Speaker 3They established the electoral college. He just kind of what exactly his politics.
Speaker 8You just running around in fucking circles.
Speaker 2That was shit by the way. So my point, the other point I was trying to make about the oh, there's, a second one? No, it's still the second. Why'd you say second time? Yeah, I don't know. It's the same thing I talked about.
Speaker 8So motherfucker.
Speaker 5Fill out the application for the writers group. If you're going to be the quartermaster, it's going to. I'm going to pass that on the floor. If you're the quartermaster, you got to be a member of the writers group.
Speaker 2All right cool, so I'll do that later We'll get you a moped.
Speaker 5Just so I can name you two parts. We have Callie. That's an honorary member. We can maybe do that.
Speaker 2So but think about it. So we were just talking about Tierney and majority right. When's the last time Michigan had a I'm not going to say Republican because I don't really give a shit what party but when's the last time we had a conservative state senator on the federal level?
Speaker 5Shit we have one now.
Speaker 3No, we don't Wait, no senator A conservative.
Speaker 5It would have been the nerd before uh Grandholm uh, or right after Grandholm uh Snyder.
Speaker 3No, he said a senator.
Speaker 5Senator, oh, senator In Congress. I thought you were talking about governor, sorry.
Speaker 8Well, do you mean a Republican, or do you mean a liberal Democrat?
Speaker 2So a Senate Republican, whoever, whoever you know, so you have.
Speaker 5So we send a senator in a Congress. While you can send up to based on your population depends on how many you get at the federal level.
Speaker 2Now I'm. I'm just, I did a quick search, but I feel like the most recent Republican. Spencer Abraham from 95, 2001, he's not our Congress, he's not our senator Senator.
Speaker 3He is Debbie Stabenow was Stabenow 2001 to present Stabenow.
Speaker 5Yeah, she is very liberal.
Speaker 3He's 95 from 2001.
Speaker 5From here from this area. Actually, I went to school with Donald Regal. He's almost.
Speaker 8He's almost a year old.
Speaker 3He's almost a year old. It was vacant from oh four days. Okay, philip.
Speaker 5Hart, carl Carl Levin was awesome Actually, when I got out of service and I started my apprenticeship, my sister-in-law, kate, worked for the House Democrats and she worked for Whitmer and she worked for other senators or shit like that, but she was actually the press secretary or whatever for the House Democrats, worked for Whitmer before she got out of politics. But anyways, she obviously knew somebody at Carl Levin and I wasn't getting paid for my apprenticeship through the GI Bill.
Speaker 5And they ran us through the fucking wringer dude. So it was like two years, like two years to fucking finally get paid and I got all the back pay and it took. Carl Carl for me to go through my apprenticeship, my GI Bill.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 5Because we're a nationally accredited apprenticeship at Local A5. Took forever. There's a plug.
Speaker 6No, seriously. No, we're just nationally accredited.
Speaker 5So it through the Department of Labor, but it was fucking nightmare.
Speaker 2So Trey was correct, we did have a Republican, and I'm only 32, so I didn't know that. My entire life it's always been freaking Debbie Stabenow and what's his name. But the point still stands, though, is that until 1914, the state legislators were the ones that appointed our United States senators for the state, and so again, tyranny of the majority, right so, grand Rapids, detroit, you know, whatever the Metroplexes are the ones that were that are making that decision now, right Before, it was all of the state legislators.
Speaker 2Well, you know you have a good mix of legislators, you know. So back then that's my argument Back then it probably wasn't like it is now, and I'm sure it's like that for probably some of the other states too. So that'd be one thing Repeal that, get rid of it, go back to the state legislators, like it was originally supposed to be, so that you know when we vote no president.
Speaker 2No for Congress, for our United States senators. We vote for senators, yes, but we take that away and we let our state legislators vote for our senators.
Speaker 8No, we vote for senators.
Speaker 2Man, he's confused. He's not an understandable one. I'm trying to tell.
Speaker 8Evidently because you've been talking in fucking circles for an hour. You should have stopped at one part, okay? I mean, no, we vote for senators, I know, but we never, we haven't always done that. Who cares? What we haven't always done, we do now, if we do now right the point here it is right. Part one I'm gonna fucking kill you. Drake and I are not quiet. Fucking opener, thank you.
Speaker 5I don't know we're gonna hear the juggler squirt, or something. I don't want to get the sky loud.
Speaker 8Yeah, we don't want to get it. Okay, give me the point.
Speaker 5We do that plastic. This does look like murder's row.
Speaker 2I'm not a great speaker all the time, so Charlie helped me out here. But the point was until 1914, our state legislators that we voted in were the ones that made the decision of who to send to the United States Senate. So we vote for them. They vote for the senators. Since then, we vote directly for the senators At national.
Speaker 5At the national Right. Yeah, it used to not be that way and I don't know where it changed, but I did hear that.
Speaker 2And so, the current system being the way it is, who makes that decision? Detroit, grand Rapids, lansing the Metroplexes we're all the populations at? You should move there and have your voice be heard, but if my point exactly, but if the legislators right who we have. I don't know what the numbers are, but we have. We have a good spread of legislators.
Speaker 8You really think their motherfuckers are going to do what we want? No, they're going to do what they want, so let's just leave it alone.
Speaker 2Who's our legislator, though? Like Roger Halk right. So if he was the one Good guy that would represent our area and his vote would go to. My brother used to work with him.
Speaker 5Well, but but Roger Halk, if we did the electoral college, he could pick up Claire County, he could pick up this county and this county and this county and this county, right, so it's, it's almost the same thing when you're talking the national level, the electoral college Iowa actually matters, montana actually matters, maine actually matters. They have like one electoral college, voter three or whatever it is. Some state split. It's weird when they split, but at least you're counted. Now the world would be counted.
Speaker 5Or else. Or else for the president, it'd be fucking New York state, it'd be a fuck California, and that's who would elect our president. Our vote wouldn't even matter. You know how the mayor matter.
Speaker 2When they split, how they do it is by their congressional district. So we have Molinar right, so his congressional district would get one vote, as well as the other districts. Plus you get two votes on top of that for your, for your senators. That's how.
Speaker 5That's how Maine does it, but because they only have three, the reason why it was always done that way with the electoral colleges, so the fact that everybody is represented, everybody's vote, counts. The problem is, even if it doesn't, well, it does. But if you just did popular vote, no one's supporting even going to the polls, you just wait to see what California and New York wants to do, because that's who's going to be running the show every time. And I guess if you want your fucking vote count, I guess move to New York, california, good luck with it.
Speaker 5Cause I ain't moving to Detroit, Lansing or Grand Rapids either, but so I think it should be applied at the state level to make sure that everybody, regardless of if you live in Escota County or you live in whatever up in UP somewhere, at least your vote goes to something you can. You can see it on the ticker at the end of the night my vote actually, you know and and that's and that's us talking about the Senate.
Speaker 2The same thing could be said for the house. By a congressional uh or a uh constitutional amendment I believe it was is how we get to our 435. Well, that's averaging about 900 and some thousand people per representative, and that's never how it was intended. At one point we had over a thousand people in the house until they limited it. So there's a whole thing going on right now that they want to increase it to 900 and some odd people in the house, which would give each representative about 50,000 to 100,000 people. You know just kind of lower the number.
Speaker 7It's got to affect the 270 number for the president.
Speaker 2I don't know. I don't know how any of that shit works. But yeah, I'm just saying so over the next 20 years we could see some significant changes. We could see term limits enacted on the federal level. We could see some fiscal restraints.
Speaker 5So I'm going to throw this out. My brother in law said on the city commission or sat on, was elected to the city commission, probably 15 to 20 years Mayor, four or five years of that, you know, was elected out of the commission. He is a you know, speak for him, but I think he is underlying thing was he was a proponent of not having term limits. But the sole fact is by the time you get in, you get established, you figure out the rules and all the things that are going on.
Speaker 5I'll give you that You're done and you got to leave, right. So I think what he was thinking is if they were a little bit longer, so like 12 years. Like here in the state, if you're in the house, it's like every two years. You got to get elected and you can only do three terms for six years. So by the time you're you're a freshman, right. You get in your first year. What are you doing? You're campaigning for your next fucking election. You know what I mean? You just got your feet wet. Now you got to freaking, go back out and campaign again to get elected.
Speaker 2You actually get some work done for a year and then you're back out If you make your terms.
Speaker 5Longer you can do more shit. Right, right. So if you made them, like you know, four years or three years, but you do three terms or four terms and then you're done, get 12 years total, like here. It's like after six years you're out, you fit your term limits, you get three, two year terms.
Speaker 8I didn't know. The state had term limits. Yeah, I'm talking about the federal.
Speaker 6I mean, I know, I know, I know, I get it but they still apply up there.
Speaker 5They've got nothing. We're here in the state, you do. Well, why do you have it in the state but you don't have it at the federal level? Because we enacted it at the state level, right, so they don't want to do it.
Speaker 2So what do you think you're talking?
Speaker 5to yourself out of a job.
Term Limits, Healthcare, Education Discussion
Speaker 2So what do you think about that? Like say, just take the president, for example, because right now it's two four year terms. What if you take out reelection entirely? Give them one six year term or one five and a half year term, right, so now they don't worry about reelection at all, but they get a decent chunk of time.
Speaker 5Yeah, I would. I would rather do one eight year term, and then you're just done. One eight year straight term and you're done, biden could really fuck us in the year.
Speaker 2In the year.
Speaker 5You think it's eight years. You honestly think it's just him. No, I don't Okay, so regardless, it's not just him.
Speaker 2But see, eight years is damn near a whole decade and I think that's a little long. I think four years is too little and I think eight years is too much, and also that's why I was like five and a half years maybe.
Speaker 5Well, you know, you know how much money we spend on elections Literally the. It's ridiculous how many billions of dollars we probably spent paying poll workers and ballots and machines and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 4And they're all, and they're all fucking anyway. You take that stuff and the you know the hundreds of millions you know in campaigns. I mean not a mile right there could help almost veterans and feed poor and so on and so on.
Speaker 2But there's some ideas you know around the world, like when his wife was here a couple of episodes ago, she was talking about some good shit. You know, she's talking about healthcare and she was talking about, like things that in America would be extremely difficult to act, just because of how our country is. You know, because I mean, take universal healthcare, for example, because my background is health administration, that's what my bachelor's degree is in is health administration. So take healthcare as an example. We try to put out, you know, a universal healthcare system In the United States. It's going to spectacularly fail. Why? Because we already have one. It's called the Department of Veterans Affairs and it's fucking horrible. There's certain pockets that are really good. I think Saginaw is pretty good.
Speaker 4You know, because I am originally got better over the years yeah.
Speaker 2Well, because I'm originally from Grand Rapids, so I was under the Battle Creek VA. Okay, the fucking suck. All right, they were horrible. And a number of years ago, usa Today came out and rated all of the VA areas Battle Creek rated three out of five stars and Saginaw got five out of five. So and then when I moved to Mount Pleasant and I transferred everything to Saginaw, it was night and day, you know, my compensation and pension evaluations were completely different, like my doctors actually fucking listened to me, like you know, down in Grand Rapids, I, you know, I don't know, I wouldn't be where I am today if I was still down there. I can tell you that. So you know, but that's just, that's just me.
Speaker 2But again, there's certain pockets that are garbage, just straight garbage on fire, you know, and there's other ones that are really, really good. So you know, you know, take that and just apply it to the rest of the country. You're going to have areas that are great and you're going to have areas that suck. You know so, and I had to do a report on this in college and I used Canada as an example, obviously because they're the closest example I could find. So, basically, at one point in time. I don't know what it is now, but at one point in time the entire province of Quebec had one MRI machine. Oh shit.
Speaker 7Jesus, jesus.
Speaker 2So do the math. So they had to sit there and ration that thing out and that thing never turned off because they had all these freaking patients. God forbid. Maintenance had to be done on it. No, no, not at all.
Speaker 2And so, by contrast, in that report I did. I thought off the top of my head, because I was living in Grand Rapids at the time. I thought off the top of my head how many MRI machines can I count in my head Just in Grand Rapids, by itself, each of the three major hospitals had one MetroHealth, which is now University of Michigan, spectrum and Mercy all have one, at least one, I think they have multiple. So just in one city, one county alone were so much different. And that was just an example. So the point I was trying to make is just, we have such a different demographic and we have so many more people. We have 300-some-odd million people to provide healthcare for, if that's what we did Right. So I mentioned your wife talking about universal healthcare and some of these other things. What else did she talk about while she was here that they do over there, that's? Did she say daycare or something too?
Speaker 3Yeah, you get. Well, not necessarily daycare. It's not daycare, but how?
Speaker 5much time leave you get when you have a child born. It's like a year. You get like the first year paid at home with your child after they're born and I think the father gets like six months or something. It was pretty long.
Speaker 3I can't remember exactly how much time, but it was something like that, it's valuable time. Well, no, there's no doubt about it, right and well, not only that, the school, school, college is paid for. College is paid for. And the question is how the fuck can a poor country like Poland and their poor pay for their kids to go to school? And we can't, we can't figure that out. What's the population?
Speaker 5in Poland.
Speaker 4I think, schools make money.
Speaker 8We fight all their battles, I think you know the air quotes the American thought process.
Speaker 5How many is in Michigan?
Speaker 2Wait, say that again the 30, there's 38 million people in Poland.
Speaker 5That's their population. 10 million here in Michigan. You take like Michigan, wisconsin and Indiana. Right, that's the population of Poland, probably I'm just assuming Somewhere around here. Yeah right, so tiny, tiny, yep.
Speaker 2What is what is, and yet they can pay for what is it?
Speaker 5What are? What are? What are our three states pay for for National Guard? That's all Poland has for defense.
Speaker 3Hold on, let me Google this how many Polish citizens live outside of Poland?
Speaker 5He asked the Polish population.
Speaker 3No, no. How many Polish citizens live outside of 20 million? So that's how many have left? There's 38 million there right now but they got 20 million living outside of their borders. Right, but because but your wife's not paying?
Speaker 5Polish taxes so what you point.
Speaker 3Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5So the fuck cares, we're talking about the lives there.
Speaker 6Right.
Speaker 3They're paying or going to college, so you're talking. My point is this if it's so great, why is almost absolutely fucking population. Leave there Right, because they're poor. It's poor country it is.
Speaker 5Right, but you asked how they could pay for college. Yeah, we're not saying that you know that it's a great country.
Speaker 4You made the very fact point of how poor they are. Right, they can still do the fund Right? Yeah, all that school.
Speaker 2But that's not to say that it has to be like. You know, she's still talking.
Speaker 5I don't think he shuts off.
Speaker 2It doesn't have to be, you know, all four years. Maybe that's how they do it, I don't know, but when it was to take that and, you know, give an American example. Maybe we just pay for your community college and we get your fucking gen eds out of the way or something.
Speaker 8Next we're going to start talking about fucking freedom.
Speaker 3I have a theory here. Okay, let's hear it why America doesn't pay. Because listen, what if suppose we do get invaded Right, suppose we do get invaded Americans? We're fucking stupid. We're so stupid we're going to fucking drive to Colorado during red dawn and we're going to fucking fight those cops.
Speaker 7Our chance is getting invaded, compared to Poland are like 6 million to one I'm going to go buy a louder ticket.
Speaker 5if I hit that fucker, that means we're getting invaded tomorrow. Listen, right, just let me know.
Speaker 3It's not going to happen. Listen, my wife, when she was up here, you know she was giving her a perspective. We were having one of these and she said if we find out we're getting invaded tomorrow, we're giving up today.
Speaker 8And then she goes, and then all the doctors and the physicists will all be in America.
Education and Funding Challenges in Schools
Speaker 5Yeah, and this is this is this is where I'm going with it is we spend our money differently. So here's the problem back in. You know my grandfather's town. If you had a high school education, you were educated.
Speaker 3Yep, yep.
Speaker 5Right, you got a great job. People still had good jobs that didn't even finish high school or whatever else. Yeah, had good jobs, but if you had the high school right, that would give you the leg up. Now high school really means nothing. Right, you might as well not even have an education. You get high school. You're getting all the low paying jobs. Now you get to college. You get the mid level jobs. For most of them, you know what I mean. Now you got to get the masters and the doctorates to be ahead of everybody else. So all they did was punt the football and said hey, you got to go to college to get a great job Bullshit. Now you get a four year degree. You're getting an average job. You're not getting a great job Average. You got to get the masters or the doctorate to get a great job.
Speaker 2The value of the degree is diminishing Big time.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 5So pushing everybody to college isn't going to get you a better job. All it's going to do.
Speaker 2And starting at the very beginning. Your K through 12 is mostly bullshit.
Speaker 5And I can tell you because then you college classes are mostly bull. You want, you want a great job.
Speaker 8But that's the point. Join the fucking military baby.
Speaker 2So so you do K through 12, and I said it's mostly bullshit. And you said college is mostly bullshit, and I agree. But what do they do when you graduate K through 12? They immediately make you take the same fucking courses all over again. Yeah, and pay for it, and college. And make you pay for it.
Speaker 3For you know, and it's just like and that's also something my wife could tell you is that our education system is lacking.
Speaker 8Oh, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3They were doing fucking. She said they were doing like physics, physics in fucking high school physics. Are Polish people supposed to be stupid? That was. That's the stereotype.
Speaker 2Right, physics was offered at my high school, but it sure as hell wasn't a required class yeah.
Speaker 3And they're fucking they. I mean, those are some smart motherfuckers over there, so, but I can tell you this that not everybody goes to college over there.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 3You know, a lot of people do take advantage of it, but the world needs ditch diggers.
Speaker 5So our our problem is is that here in Michigan we're mandated by the federal government how we're going to educate our kids, why? Why shouldn't it be left up to the school board? Is that we elect at the local level to say, the kids of Mount Pleasant or the kids in Traverse City or the kids in Lansing need to learn this or that?
Speaker 2Well, it's okay to set up a base.
Speaker 5It's coming from somebody that has no idea the way that we live right or the type of work we have here right or anything else. Tell us how we have to educate our kids.
Speaker 6It's what we elect the school board.
Speaker 5The school board should set the curriculum because this is what we need in this area.
Speaker 3And I think there needs to be a standardization kind of across the board.
Speaker 5A baseline, a baseline very basic shit.
Speaker 6Yeah, like you need a math reading, right Science reading writing arithmetic, because listen, is that cursive?
Speaker 8writing or just regular writing my kids, my kids, nobody fucking uses cursive anymore, old man.
Speaker 7My kids spent more time they can't read as historical documents.
Speaker 5My kids spent more time studying or going over a mandated national test because all the students had to meet a certain level and that was shit that they didn't even need to learn per se just to get ready to take this test so that the schools would score high enough to get funding.
Speaker 3Well, what they need to do.
Speaker 5It was ridiculous.
Speaker 3What they need to do is instead of every school is funded by their community, right? So your property taxes pays for the school in the area, right?
Speaker 5That's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 3So what happens in those poor communities? So we're in Mount Pleasant, relatively speaking middle, I'd say middle to poor here in Mount. Pleasant in Isabella County. Grashet County's probably even worse. I didn't think about that. So what happens to those kids? They get the shit end of the stick because they're living in poor communities.
Speaker 5No, we're not talking sharing funding. Well, we should. No, I have no problem sharing funding. What I'm talking about no hookers allowed. What I'm talking about is that the school board in Elma and Grashet County should dictate how their students are taught. I'm not talking about funding coming back from the state or anywhere else. We're talking about the actual education of the students.
Speaker 3But if their schools are poorly funded because the people are poor, then the kids are suffering for that Right.
Speaker 5So not all the money just strictly comes from your tax base. There's portions of it that go to the state and then they get kicked back appropriately throughout all the school districts or whatever right.
Speaker 5So just because we might pass a bond message to build a new high school that comes directly from us, part of the property taxes go down to the state for schooling and then get reappropriated back out to all the different school districts. So there's people say, Mount Pleasant, we don't have enough, we might get portions from Detroit, we might get a portion from Travis City or from this you know right. So some of our money is going to help Grashet County or going to help Macosta County or going to help whatever else.
Speaker 5And that's why it's not always that what it is when you, when you drive by and you look at a shitty building, is because the residents of Macosta County didn't want to pass a bond to build a new school, or upgrade a school.
Speaker 3They also don't have the fucking money for that.
Speaker 2Well, and that's why you also get school districts like Tri-County School District or whatever. They come together and they pool their money to do what needs to be done Right.
Speaker 8So it's not like high speed school, it feels like my school, they do have a great it wasn't like that when.
Speaker 3I was there. Oh yeah, me either. Back in 1921.
Speaker 8Yeah me and.
Speaker 7Tab Tab alumni warriors.
Speaker 6So, we got a fucking warrior too.
Speaker 3yeah yeah, you got a lot of them too.
Speaker 5We got a visitor that just came in. She must have been out here on the jewelry meeting. Sorry, I don't fit the spot. I'm going to assume Round the table. Introduce yourself. Hi, I'm Tab with the Gates. I'm an auxiliary member for post-333. And the riders group. Member. And the riders group member yeah, what's up with that? Fucking, I was going to say jumpsuit. She looks like Santa Claus.
Speaker 9I wore a dress all day and I wanted to be comfortable.
Speaker 5You wore it all day.
Speaker 3You changed without me. You went to work in that.
Speaker 5No, I wore a dress.
Speaker 6You're such a word dress all day man you don't listen, I don't know, I don't know I don't know if you become an East.
Speaker 3I'm United States Army. I don't listen, hold on, I'm going to women talk about your wheels.
Speaker 5I hear the Charlie Brown.
Speaker 2I can tell you how he got a E7. He typed up his own promotion record Coming from a guy who's always out there.
Speaker 3Shut your fucking mouth.
Speaker 8Brent.
Speaker 5Give away his secrets, All right so that's moved on off elections.
Speaker 2Yeah, because it's depressing. Well, not only that, it's pretty convoluted shit, but I don't know.
Speaker 8So let's talk about something fun Bowling tournament. Bowling, pov bowling tournament.
Speaker 5Nine pin, no tap. Nine pin, no tap. So on the previous podcast we talked about the VOD, which is Voice of the Microsand, the Patriot PEN program. We have our post fund raiser bowling tournament this weekend at Riverwood, signed up ready to go. I'm bowling with Brian Schaener.
Speaker 8Oh that you guys could do well, you guys could do well. We're going to roll the ball. He hasn't bowled all year, but you could do well.
Speaker 5Well, I'm averaging. I was 182,. I rolled average 195 last week when I bowled. I only bowled once a month, so my average is down, but yeah.
Speaker 8I had a hell of a lot of nines.
Speaker 5Man, that one lane did not treat me well. It was like nine strike, nine strike, nine strike. I was picking up spares and doing shit and every now and again I'd get lucky on that left lane. But man, that bitch was tough you ever bowled 300?
Speaker 5I have not, so my dad has. I bowled at 289. I had a nine spares in the first frame, struck address the game out, and then the very next game. So like game two or game three, I ran like the front seven, so seven, or else I had like 16 or 17 strikes in a row, but they were not in a consecutive game.
Speaker 8I had never done it. So my, my brother, I had a 300 series.
Speaker 4My brother Mario.
Speaker 3Teever, mario bowled a 299 the other day. Oh my God, 299.
Speaker 8Mario.
Speaker 3Yep Say that, hold up. Say that one more time.
Speaker 8Fuck Mario.
Speaker 5He probably went down there and had a kid back in a pit, not knocking Hulking pins over there.
Speaker 8Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5You're going to take this plastic shits and on, sees it so opaque and just started knocking pins over.
Speaker 3Oh yeah.
Speaker 5Guaranteed. So cheat motherfucker. Yeah, that money goes to a good cause.
Speaker 8Yeah, next year we're going to increase the prize money for our post winners, so maybe we can get a little more participation.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Speaker 5Then we got our Ryder's group breakfast meeting on Sunday.
Speaker 8Yeah, it's going to be pretty good Full weekend for me.
Speaker 5Jen's taken off to go up and visit our daughter.
Speaker 8Hopefully it'll be nice to be able to ride.
Speaker 6Oh my.
Speaker 7God Fish and turn. I'm riding a marathon.
Speaker 3I've been dying to go on a ride.
Speaker 7Did you get it Saturday? We pick it up.
Speaker 8Did they get that little snag doing that? You got going on and fucked.
Speaker 7They haven't told them what they're going to do about it yet.
Speaker 8Okay.
Speaker 5They better figure it out. So, yeah, the old jeweler sitting here. He picked up his new Harley.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, can we talk about that?
Speaker 5Dude, my name is Toby tonight because I was his personal chauffeur all day.
Speaker 8He was going to. And here's the funny thing is right. So I'm struggling with this. I'm going to do I want to. So I went into the credit union and they basically approved me for eight grand and I was like, okay, because that's what I figured from my trade in, and then if I had to give a little money I'd get it down to eight and whatever.
Speaker 8That would be close to where I was at, so I go in there and I get that all approved and shit like that. And before I left, though, couldn't get in my safe when my titles was up, so I'm like fuck, did you get that on my track?
Speaker 8Yeah, oh, I didn't know, so, anyway, so I get get to the Harley shop. I was looking at a 2013 street glide that was 13 or 12, 913,000. Then I seen this other ultra classic that was blue and blue and silver. I thought it was black and I'm a writer fan. So, I was like yeah, it's a real deep, deep blue.
Speaker 5Is that the one? You got.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 8And that was like 11. So I'm, and it had less mileage so I'm like fuck it, I'm going to go with this one. So a year was it 2012. Okay, and so the lady told me she said okay, I need this, this and this. So I had to go and get a payoff for my bike. So I went and paid the 367 that I still owed on on old girl I miss her already, I missed the page, but anyway. So I paid that off and I had to run the secretary state because my title was locked in my safe and they said they would print me a title. So I get in there and I'm like mother fucker, there's like 12 people in there.
Speaker 8And then there's someone fucking trying to get a title but he's from South Carolina or some fucking state. And they keep telling me mom, no, you have to call that. I called them, but you have to call them, and then they have to. And he just kept. I'm like, yep, I won't be out of here until tomorrow. So I left. I said Charlie to the house, to the house, we're going to break into that safe. And Charlie's like, well, why don't you take it out to gilbos? I said good idea.
Speaker 6It was gilbos. Gilo is locking safe.
Speaker 5Yeah, okay so these are the safecracker guys. They could do the keys for your buildings. They can do all their, their, their, their good dudes.
Speaker 8And I'm like okay, so how about we do this? I have to put full coverage on the bike. So let's go to the insurance company. I'll get the full coverage. I'm going to stop at the house and then you know, you can go do your thing and I'll. And he's like, well, no, I'm here, man, I'll just run you out to gilbos running the house, grab the safe. So I do that.
Speaker 5We get out to gilbos. Tim is the king of procrastination.
Speaker 8Yes, we all know this.
Speaker 5I'm going to say no, we're just going to go get this done.
Buying a Harley Davidson Motorcycle
Speaker 8We're going to go get it. Yeah, it's not going to get done, so let them. Yeah, so we, I get the safe, and it's just a little cheap safe. And what was happening is, uh, I'd put the key in to turn it but the little the lock that was supposed to engage the opener was just spinning. I was like what the hell is going on with this? I've been very good at not saying motherfuckers. Long story short. So we go out to gilbos. Right, get out there, walk in. I got my safe. I'm like, hey, I need you guys to help me break into my safe. Charlie was going to be a smart ass and say and do it quick, because the cops are on their way.
Speaker 5Yeah, I was getting up like I'm glad I didn't say that because they would have looked, but he had the key right, yeah, I had the key.
Speaker 8So the guy looked at it and I'm holding it and he's like, okay, well, put the key in. I put the key in and I turned it and I heard clunk. I was like, oh, motherfucking, no.
Speaker 5So I turned it it opened, so just taking it horizontally and inverting it, whatever was pushing at it and probably falling down Right.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Speaker 5Let stuff move around to be able to open it. So we got a good laugh. The guys were like, well, that's a hundred bucks.
Speaker 6The guy did was nothing Right. We're just standing in the shop.
Speaker 8Yeah, good to see you. We thought we'd stop in and say hi.
Speaker 5So we run back down to the Harley shop. Yeah, we walk into the sales guy sitting in his office, you know whatever, and he was like back already. I said, yep, ready to go. The lady comes up and goes. Man, that was fast.
Speaker 8He goes only cause I got a Charlie. I got a Charlie, Make sure I get it done.
Speaker 5We're all about proficiency. Get it done, get it done, get it going Bank, and then I left him and then he rode the new girl home. Oh, you did, you rode home.
Speaker 8Oh shit, the fairy fucking godmother ain't going to ride at home.
Speaker 3I mean, what the rush? I don't know. He, this motherfucker, don't have his bike yet.
Speaker 7Well, they had to wait to go do the appraisal on the other one oh okay, all right.
Speaker 8So we got held up. I kind of got screwed. I think I'm a trade in. I think it should have been. I think, I could have sold it for four outright, but you know, hey, it got me where.
Speaker 5I wanted to go. Do you want to? Do you want to sit there and hassle over 500 bucks though? Yeah, right.
Speaker 4I mean you deal, you know, you try and put it on marketplace and you deal with just the entire kickers and stupid question. It's a waste of time, yeah.
Speaker 8So you know, I went in there and she's like hey, do you want to go through your bank or you want to go through Harley? Now, let's go through, I'll try through, harley, I don't care. She's like what's your credit score? And I told her she said usually Harleys is a little bit higher and it was, and so after all I was done, I paid nine for it. My payments one 78 a month.
Speaker 5Oh, so it's. It's literally like $10 more a month. It's $10 more than old.
Speaker 8You don't have to put anything down and I didn't have to do anything other than the 367 to pay my old bike.
Speaker 5But you were talking about putting two, three thousand. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8Cause I was. I wanted to get it down into that one 64 price range, you know for my payment, and wrote it home. It's got everything Heated drips, cruise, cruise, radio, it's got a Bluetooth radio?
Speaker 5Yeah, same, same, same.
Speaker 8When I got a thing is just a one generation older and then it's got the air suspension kind of thing. Nice, nice.
Speaker 7I'm happy for Torpex, I'll buy a saddle bag.
Speaker 5I'll set up pod speakers on the saddle.
Speaker 8Got that Torpex. Yeah, if you need. If you need road pads, let me know.
Speaker 7Yeah, I'll put it on yours. Nope, mine had road pads.
Speaker 5You're saying pictures of your bike, just in case you want to look at them again.
Speaker 8Mine had road pads, had the, the or the LED lights on the front, Cause I'm are all the things I was going to upgrade to, you know. So I probably saved myself five 600 bucks in just that bullshit.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 8You know I do got to get handlebars because they're like the old drama handlebars that had a bite, that had the new handlebars that you down by your by your waist, yeah.
Speaker 5First thing I did was get rid of mine, cause I'm sitting there riding it like this yeah, Rather than riding it like this. Man doesn't make when I put my tenor tries bars on man, that's what I'm going to do Six speed.
Speaker 2Hey Charlie, can you ride your bike with no handlebars?
Speaker 5I can actually cannot because I don't have cruise control. If I had cruise, I could take my hands off the handlebars. Lady Jen's on the back, absolutely not. She will know she doesn't even hardly like what I'm doing at one handed yeah.
Speaker 8So, but yeah, got that, got that.
Speaker 5I do a lot of things well, one handed Like jerking.
Speaker 8I pulled this beer. That is not a beer, that is a pepsi light.
Speaker 5I had. I had a bottle of water earlier. He hydrated. Roy had, I don't know, some BFS or whatever. Some bullshit. He was drinking earlier something to rehydrate after a run or some shitty drink.
Speaker 8What's wine? How the fuck is he running if the cops ain't chasing?
Speaker 3me. Good job, roy, look at him.
Speaker 5I was like I know he's the most fit dude in the way. He's a stunt.
Speaker 3He's a fucking specimen right here. That's why I said he's, he's.
Speaker 8You're in your semen specimen? I'm not sure.
Speaker 2You know we've got some really non-homosexual Roy, give me a run for my money.
Speaker 3I had to step my game up. I don't get the tip, Look it you look like a haji.
Speaker 8He's way fucking sexy than a haji Anyhow well there was this one chick.
Speaker 3You look like the fucking monopoly guy.
Speaker 8I don't know. He just needs the oracle, or whatever they call it.
Speaker 5Monocle, yeah, the monocle, monocle, monocle, the doctacle you shut up and push you to work more.
Speaker 8And yes, that inventory system seems to be working, so thank you.
Speaker 5What, what you like a good dad joke, right, everybody here likes a good dad joke. So everybody's on tic-tac. I'm assuming Tim has a flip phone, so he doesn't. So there's, he's like three guys. They do like the quiet hunting.
Speaker 7Oh yeah.
Speaker 8They're kind of whispering.
Speaker 5So I absolutely love those fucking guys. Fucking shit, they say, cracks me up, and one of the best ones is what side of a turkey has the most feathers?
Speaker 2The outside.
Speaker 5Damn you. You saw that one. I just hate how never you're like the outside. Hey that's alcohol abuse. It's mine, I can do what I want. Bingo, because we are at.
Speaker 8AJ Sky.
Speaker 5Lounge, obviously, yeah, I forgot the white sharpie for the new sign here. I want to have everybody sign it when they come up. So, roy, this isn't a one-time, one-pump chump for you, but you got to come up here again.
Speaker 8I hope you enjoyed this. This is awesome.
Speaker 5This is what we do at the Pulse. We just sit around and bullshit about all kinds of fun stuff and it was good to see you at the meeting.
Speaker 8It really was, I'm glad. Sorry about the shit show we had going on during it, but uh hey.
Speaker 5I'm glad you're uh your wife.
Speaker 3Don't put the pimp hand down and the smack on you right.
Speaker 5Glad she gave me some some slack on my leash.
Speaker 3These two get the, they get, they get the pimp hand down.
Speaker 7She's here surprising me. Now I'm surprised.
Speaker 5I'm surprised Brent's still here. Me too, I know right, me too.
Speaker 3Your wife must be out of town visiting her relatives or something.
Speaker 5No, oh, you laid the law down, Did you, and said I'll be home when I get home. No, just put it on the calendar. That's the secret. You went like five to 10.
Speaker 3No, no, I'll tell you what he did. He grew four inches of dick and put it down. I didn't need to do that. After that, she was like you can do whatever you want. Yeah, whatever you want, you just keep writing on the calendar babe. Just keep writing on the calendar. Write on the calendar to get put those extra four inches in.
Speaker 7Oh, that's right, it is Valentine's.
Speaker 8Day.
Speaker 3Wow, is that romantic today.
Speaker 5In case you forgot, I actually picked up flowers and took them out to her at work.
Speaker 2That is awesome.
Speaker 5She doesn't like flowers she actually as kind of pointless. They just die in a week anyway.
Speaker 7Yeah.
Speaker 8But, it's a nice job.
Speaker 5We don't really celebrate it. There's no cards.
Speaker 3That's why she's wearing a red, because it's fucking bad Valentine's.
Speaker 8Day.
Speaker 6It happens to be red.
Speaker 8Valentine's Day is kind of like a fake holiday.
Speaker 5It's like Swedish Day. I don't know whatever the hell that is. It's like a Hallmark.
Speaker 8Hallmark fucking bullshit.
Speaker 2They always used to call it singles awareness day.
Speaker 8Because, if you only do that on one day. Shame on you. If you have a good woman that you're with you should do that 365. What buy her flowers every day? No, no, we need a trader good, a appreciator Flowers don't appreciate her.
Speaker 3Some women like to get treated like a fucking slut.
Speaker 6Slap around Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2We're back on that.
Speaker 3Okay, I'll just joke it, I'm going to get his cancer those aren't the ones you're with.
Speaker 2This podcast is marked explicit for a reason.
Speaker 3We even have a disclaimer at the beginning. That's true. I was just joking, ladies, Just joking.
Speaker 5So that's just one of those things that we never really celebrated. So we do like a date night on Thursday night.
Speaker 8Then they go to the bowling alley. We go out to dinner.
Busy Life and Random Topics
Speaker 5So once a month I got a bowl. But we go out every Thursday do dinner and just kind of hang out Because we're fucking busy, I mean I had You're busy. We had real cat meeting last night. We had this tonight. Monday was darts, tomorrow night's date night. Friday night's 50-50. Saturday's bowling, sunday's meeting. You know what I mean? It's just always freaking busy.
Speaker 3Yep, yep, I know so we just don't ever?
Speaker 5Yeah, we don't ever.
Speaker 3just I'm curious what my wife's gonna say when she gets back here. You see how busy, you are.
Speaker 8You just put it down. I will you let her know.
Speaker 5Put all four inches down and let her know.
Speaker 8You just need to whip it out and just you let her know who's the dad. I mean, she is like 22. True, oh sure, I'm pretty good.
Speaker 7Yep.
Speaker 5I could make a really bad comment.
Speaker 6I'm gonna refrain from what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5Just in case, just in case.
Speaker 3There's a song called that, just in Case. Yes, yes, so we don't want to get kicked off of Spotify. We already can't make it on the fucking Apple fucking podcast. Why?
Speaker 2Because Apple's fucking stupid. You were too raunchy, it's too horrible.
Speaker 3Seriously no, because this cocksucker can't figure it out.
Speaker 2And you, cocksucker, said that you were gonna figure it out for me.
Speaker 5You didn't tell me you were number one. Wait a minute. That's probably another one of those things he hasn't done yet that's another one of those.
Speaker 3The dog ate my homework fucking.
Speaker 7Why didn't they know about this?
Speaker 9Don't try to sound like an everyday text in order for him to find it there on Twitter.
Speaker 3I'm a busy man, god damn it, I am a busy man Listen I completely. I called Charlie today. Today. What is today? Wednesday? I called Charlie today. I was like, oh fuck, monday, I forgot about 50-50. He was like, ah, don't worry about it. I was like, no, I felt fucking terrible. I was up in Scottville though.
Speaker 5Trying to get our new place over. Well, I was sitting there right at Darts playing Darts.
Speaker 8God damn I'm sorry.
Speaker 6I'm a little trance coming in.
Speaker 5I'm like, oh, there's only like 30 people here shooting.
Speaker 8Shem said something about. I didn't hear him. I didn't come to say anything to me. Why was there? I?
Speaker 6was like I was in Shepherd.
Speaker 5I was arguing with them, fucking idiots yeah there's only like 30 people up there shooting right now. So because it's the end of the year and a lot of teams bought after the tournament, they bought their rest of the season. They just pay their leak fee and they don't show up anymore Because of the way Vegas worked and states worked, michigan State Darts tournament worked. This year it's kind of a little bit different, but anyway, so it's not really worth doing.
Speaker 3Yeah, I know, but I just, you know, still it's going to be like 50 bucks. I know I felt bad A lot of tickets were going to waste for 50 bucks. I felt bad. I did feel bad about it.
Speaker 5No, you did, it was funny that you called me and I was like yeah. I was wondering what was up.
Speaker 3Yeah, and I was up in Scottville. We're trying to get our new disbo up and going.
Speaker 7How did that work?
Speaker 3go. Oh man, it looks fucking great. At least the plumber showed up. Finally, right, finally.
Speaker 7What's that? Is it wired? Do you have a problem out there?
Speaker 3No, I need it. Fucking shem, fucking shem. Get your bitch ass up there and get my fucking network going. He said he was up there doing it.
Speaker 5He said it was going to be there on Sunday or something.
Speaker 3He did go up there he put up a couple of fucking cameras, ran a wire he said if you need help, let me know.
Speaker 7That's what I do.
Speaker 5Yeah, hey, just so you know, he'll line you up and then he'll call you the day before and say don't worry about it, oh so I'm not.
Speaker 3So if you go by, thousands of dollars worth of shit he'll then call you the day before you said you were pulling that out of the warehouse.
Speaker 5Yeah, my supply house Straight down the road. It's called Ferguson Enterprises. I go buy shit there, did you?
Speaker 3put it back on there. Did you take it back?
Speaker 5We're funding, I only get 70%. Yeah, there's a restock fee, so I still lose money, but it's not going to be.
Speaker 3Let me know, let me know I'll get you.
Speaker 8So just so everybody knows.
Speaker 9I feel terrible, I feel bad. Oh, it's your son. Roll the name. He's trying to make me feel like shit it was working.
Speaker 5No I don't know I don't pay anything, because I didn't pay anything out. It was real good.
Speaker 8So just so everybody knows, 11 typewriter, formerly known as Trey, he is T-Bone, he is T-Bone, yep, he is the Pablo Escobar of the cannabis business in Isabella County. Okay, so, legally legally, though, but he's still Pablo Escobar, kind of looks like. If you had curly hair. It was a little battered racially and ambiguous.
Speaker 3I don't know maybe if you took your hat off, it wouldn't be so Well, I don't let my hair get this long, but I think it looks good, I'm letting it go. I'm like fuck it, I'm tired of cutting my hair. I'm just going to let it go, see what happens Me too.
Speaker 7Mine's going to look like you could have a whole hogan going.
Speaker 8I could be like whole hogan.
Speaker 5It's just that large string of shit in the back and nothing on top. Yeah, yeah, I was about you, the red boots and the little banana head. I was going to say, oh, maybe, hey, fucking yeah, halloween, sir, going for Halloween next year.
Speaker 8Too many U-turns on the bedsheets.
Speaker 5Go to the top right off.
Speaker 3Wait a minute, hold on, I want to play this.
Speaker 5Brent's like. Brent's like what do you mean? U-turns on the bedsheets? No shit, she has no idea. I'm a real.
Speaker 3American Besides for the rights of everyone. That fucking whole hogan's theme song. That could be you, tim. Every time you walk in the fucking BMW, press a button.
Speaker 5Yeah, yeah, real American, you could play it over the speed. Yeah, you could jump on AMI and play as you're walking in.
Speaker 3Yeah, so we asked the bandana with your long hair.
Speaker 8We just pulled up this WWF.
Speaker 5I used to call it as kid E or whatever. But is that still a big thing in the military? Because, like Jen and I, we had base housing or whatever, but we'd have parties to watch, not just WrestleMania but Monday night, ron, whatever, all those different my guys never did that. Yes, we had a party, Tim, and it was Monday night, Rob, and it was not what you're thinking. It was wrestling.
Speaker 6I'm just letting you know. I know where you're going. You're saying laugh and say we're going to send you a message.
Speaker 5Thursday night thunder, whatever the fuck they were doing, I mean because you knew exactly where the theme music was, just hearing it.
Speaker 4So I grew up as a kid like my dad watched wrestling seven days a week. I just grew up around it, that's all we ever watched He'd go to work. He'd come home. As soon as he got home He'd turn on TV and there was wrestling. There was Monday night Raw, there was Tuesday night, wednesday night, there was Thursday night.
Speaker 8There was.
Speaker 4WWF and there was WCW. Yeah, WCW.
Speaker 8They were constantly going to get.
Speaker 4So each night of the week there was something going on and my dad he was so invested that he had his guys that he liked and I remember as a kid back then I never realized. But now you get older man he would get so pissed off Like when somebody would come out and start cheating, like he would fucking come on down as a kid, you're just like scripting. It was not right, but as a kid you were normal, and now you look back at it. It's like you guys didn't know wrestling.
Discussing Wrestling, Celebrities, and Political Bias
Speaker 8He was fucking into it. You guys didn't know wrestling until you watched it in the 70s. Man Bobo Brazil, I am I am Well, you got iron sheet.
Speaker 4Jimmy Sugarfly Snooker.
Speaker 6Yep, barbara Beefcake, tex McKenzie, they had a Ted D Biasi hey hey hey, hey, settle down, you guys don't need boners in the sky lounge To do a little bit the jewelers here.
Speaker 8Fanfare of Furful. You had the claw, the Garfio, he called it. He grabbed your hand and all of a sudden you started bleeding. Wild man from the Brazilian jungle. Bushlockers, yeah, bushlockers.
Speaker 4Pax on Jim Duggan oh yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah, so I was. I was never really into wrestling but lately, after he retired, I got to watching some of the Undertaker.
Speaker 8You know he's badass, he's a big bitch, monster guy.
Speaker 5Remember what his manager's name was?
Speaker 2Paul Bear.
Speaker 5Paul.
Speaker 3Bear.
Speaker 6Yeah, yeah. He had some of the best badass entrances too.
Speaker 4Kane is like the mayor of Knoxville, tennessee, or something.
Speaker 5But that's like supposed to be his brother, right?
Speaker 6Right, like that was the story plot.
Speaker 8Yeah, I mean, and he's a huge- he's like 611. Well, you guys know, george, the Animal Steel, yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah, school teacher. He used to freaking eat turnbuckles. He was a school teacher he graduated from Central Michigan.
Speaker 8Yeah, look at that, holy shit.
Speaker 4The Steiner Brothers, didn't they go?
Speaker 8to Steiner Steiner.
Speaker 6Bay City, bay City.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah. You know who else from Bay City Fucking Madonna, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5Look at that.
Speaker 8That bitch ain't been a virgin since she's been five Her.
Speaker 4Her, my God.
Speaker 5I'm not sure if I'm going to go out of bounds for this podcast for sure but, her her mom and dad have a winery up in Travis City.
Speaker 8It's called Chaconne Her mom and dad does yeah.
Speaker 5Oh really, Yep Chaconne.
Speaker 8She did well, she did well.
Speaker 5We actually, we actually, we go out for family stuff every year.
Speaker 3That's actually their last name, chaconne or something like that. Oh, is it.
Speaker 6Yeah, that's her last name, yeah. C-i-c-c-o-n-e or something like that or Ni or whatever.
Speaker 5Yeah, pretty good, pretty good wines, jeff Daniels. What's the family every year up there?
Speaker 2There's a decent, there's a decent number of people from from Michigan and Jeff Daniels.
Speaker 5Jeff Daniels is a great famous one man. He's come back here in Mount Pleasant before.
Speaker 8Charlie's got him on his fucking wall.
Speaker 5I do Actually.
Speaker 4Didn't they just come when they did the concerts on?
Speaker 5Main Street, downtown. Yeah, yeah, so he, yeah. So his dumb and dumber where he's sitting on the shitter Like holding on to feeder in the air, he's screaming, you know, because he got the eye drops or whatever in his low eat or whatever. Oh, yeah, yeah, I was doing the lice of thing.
Speaker 2Yeah, so that's as a plumber, that's got to be my thing right.
Speaker 5So I have the I got the three by the same diameter, that size hanging on my wall.
Speaker 2In the in the office. Yeah, in our podcast chat. I sent that to you. It was a picture of how you'd test your work when it's been done.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 5Electrician was a you know the streamer, the screaming shits, screaming shits. That's how we make sure it flushes that rag Damn.
Speaker 8I'll tell you what but? Yeah, when you get my age, two things you don't fuck with A hard on or a fart. Yeah, you don't trust either one of them. Don't trust either one of them. Don't waste a hard on, don't trust a fart. It's just just the way it is.
Speaker 5Did you ever waste a hard on a Jeep?
Speaker 8No, no, you didn't, no, no.
Speaker 5Panamanian goats. There is best friend, there's the goats.
Speaker 7There's, the goats are coming back.
Speaker 5No, kid Joe, you look jealous, huh, you look jealous over there. Oh, I'm good.
Speaker 2Anytime that motherfucker touches an ethernet cable, he gets a boner.
Speaker 7Oh, I know Okay so. My boners.
Speaker 8Small ones.
Speaker 7Ask her First satisfied.
Speaker 2Oh damn. Has it, that's not that's not.
Speaker 5That's not. Maybe it's a personality.
Speaker 3He just said ask her. So we're asking to have them.
Speaker 8He gives her a, he gives her a snicker, a vault, a vault.
Speaker 3A vault? It's not a vault.
Speaker 7Oh.
Speaker 5I didn't hear vault.
Speaker 7Yes, that's how I was introduced.
Speaker 3You put it out there, joe, just saying Of course I did Look at her.
Speaker 5You know what Most.
Speaker 3She looks so thirsty.
Speaker 6Don't tell Joe shit, god damn it.
Speaker 7Joe, you don't have to tell me, I'll just find it so who you vote for for president.
Speaker 3This election, johnny Cash, anybody but Trump.
Speaker 8Okay.
Speaker 5Just made a super bowl out of. Let me ask you a question why do you yes, why do?
Speaker 6you hate independent.
Speaker 3I guess Republicans so so much. They have no empathy. It's not you know what Everything is. Uh, the way that they says, say it's supposed to be. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think fucking Democrats are that great. They really aren't. Listen, I look at life Everything, everything, everything. And you guys are going to.
Speaker 5You guys are going to Turn it up A different kind of way to say it. I've got a couple of questions. I'm going to look at everything.
Speaker 3Through the lens, through the lens of a black man in America. Everything, everything, I looked through that lens. There's a reason I do that, but I don't think we have time to get into.
Speaker 8What side of that? Is it your left eye or your right eye?
Speaker 3Both eyes, buddy, Both eyes so um, but in Republicans, I guess, are To me, uh, and it's gotten worse Lately just openly cruel, Cruel. It's a people period.
Speaker 5So let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2So I think the farther the right and left people go.
Speaker 5The more yes yeah, yeah, so out of the last Three presidents to have been Democrats, so you're talking 12.
Speaker 3No, no, to have been Republicans. Oh no, you're right, you're right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5Eight years of Obama, yeah, you got four years of Biden, so many years of that's 12.
Speaker 6Yeah, four years of Trump, yeah right.
Speaker 5So you have 16 years of presidents. Overwhelming majority have been by a Democrat and Majority of that has been from a black president. So If you have a concern as an African-American, Mm-hmm. How come your problems aren't better when all that time has been majority served by under yeah Democrat and or in that as a black listen? Everything should be Rosie and Pete Well.
Speaker 3I can. I can tell you this and what. What I think is far as go ahead, roy well, I'm so Technically.
Speaker 4Let's give Obama four years, because when you go, when you go from red to blue, it, those first four years are a cat and mouse game of, you know, one party changing everything that the last party did. So the first four years are a wash.
Speaker 5Okay, so you saw.
Speaker 4So she saw, I mean he was still there, but it's, it's such it's so stupid.
Speaker 3Well, not only that, and he's trying to get away from doing that too. He's trying he's trying to get elected a second term right, so he can't be seen Favouring that's.
Speaker 5That's in what constituents are, are you not supposed?
Speaker 3to do is we're all Americans, not just black Americans.
Speaker 8They were all Americans well, just something that I see you think if it's a Republican uh-huh it's anti all Americans.
Speaker 3I think it's yes, I do, I do. I think they're more concerned about their donors and who get. And again, don't get me wrong, I believe Democrats are the same fucking way.
Speaker 5So why would you hear here? So why were you so biased one way and not the other? When you admit it's both ways, hold on here's here's here's the the difference here.
Speaker 3Is that.
Speaker 2Into two different worlds because I want to know why.
Speaker 3Republicans, republicans openly like our hostile against, against anything other than the Established narrative of America, which is America first. Rich white men, no, rich white men yes and then. But. But Democrats Promise, promise, promise, never deliver.
Speaker 6So promise, promise. So that, why do you still vote for?
Speaker 5what's that? What do you still?
Speaker 3vote for him Because I hope for the day that they actually deliver.
Speaker 5So let me ask you a question. You hand me a hundred. You hand me a hundred dollars, I'm gonna make your life better tomorrow and I'm gonna come back to you tomorrow and ask for another hundred dollars and tell you that tomorrow is gonna be better for you. Mm-hmm, keep doing it.
Criticism of Democrats and Political Ideologies
Speaker 3Well and that's if you're that gullible. That's another criticism I have about Democrats is that that they promise, promise, promise. They also enable, enable. They enable people who Are comfortable on the bottom to stay on the right. They enable that right. They do, absolutely they do. And that's a criticism I have of Of of Democrats. And then you have these people that are extreme left, which is which is AOC, the squad extreme left. I mean Imagine if, imagine if haven't heard about them lately if, if, if those people on the extreme left Got a hold of power, what would happen to America? But I'll give you, I'll give you what if those people that are on the extreme right be the same way.
Speaker 8Be fucked up. We're. What are they called?
Speaker 2We're talking caucus right now, those fuckers that have been 16 of them that have been just fucking holding everything up, yeah.
Speaker 3I Ride the middle. I really do, I really do, and I have criticisms on both left and the right.
Speaker 5Let me ask you this question. Uh-huh was last time you voted for a Republican, so you can't call yourself down the phone.
Speaker 3Hold on hold on. Hold on hold on.
Speaker 4I've.
Speaker 5I've city or Like state or not, or I'm talking a national, okay.
Speaker 3Cuz I mean, I was gonna say I've I've voted for Republicans. Whenever I vote, I Vote for some Republicans and I vote for some Democrats. I do.
Speaker 4Because I do the same so you're not, as you're not a straight ticket right?
Speaker 3No, you know what? And.
Speaker 5I don't think I should be allowed. Exactly, I don't vote that way. You should check every fucking box, cuz.
Speaker 3I think I was going to vote in a primary right and they were like you have to vote either all Democrat or all Republican.
Speaker 5I was like well, you talk primaries, or that way.
Speaker 3Yeah, I know I said, but but still I was like how the fuck are you gonna?
Speaker 4write, give me the choice of what I want to do.
Speaker 3Give me the choice of what I don't. Give a fuck if this is a primary or not. Primaries are always that way. Yeah, I know I know, I know it is, but it's not right, I know.
Speaker 6I don't, yeah, yeah, I don't like it either.
Speaker 5Yeah, yes, okay.
Speaker 8I got it. Quick question hey, it's Lisa's gonna be. One fucking part In the last four years was your, was your, and I'm not gonna say your was America better under Trump. That's been under Biden.
Speaker 3In what way?
Speaker 2In any way you can think of it was.
Speaker 8America in better hands when.
Speaker 5Doesn't matter housing economy security, whatever I Would say Anything you like, both.
Speaker 3I would say both. Both administrations have their criticisms.
Speaker 8Ah, that's not. That's not the fucking question.
Speaker 3Quit fucking with test-dance around a motherfucker and I, okay, and I can tell you, and I'm just trying to think about it Because, listen, what I, what I've told some of my contractors that do some of the work for me, is listen, don't take my word for it, because my memory cannot be trusted me to. Yeah, don't trust my memory, because so let's make a phone call and see what, what, what we talked about but, Things have been just fine. Just fine under Biden.
Speaker 8They have been just fine so you enjoy paying Almost four dollars a gallon for gas. Oh, you got an electric vehicle, that's right. Oh, my wife has a, okay. So when Trump was in office, what was gas? Dollar two bucks.
Speaker 2Let me ask him a question.
Speaker 8Hold on, he's not gonna answer my question hey, yes, no, he's that so. Listen. Um no, we're not picking on you.
Speaker 3Yes, no, no, no, yes, here's because I listen and for the people listening, I am. I am the most liberal person.
Speaker 5Yes, he is. He calls himself down the middle right, I am, I lean liberal.
Speaker 3I lean liberal heavy.
Speaker 8I lean American.
Speaker 5You're fucking. You're fucking Harley, don't. Can't it make a left turn? You gotta go around Fucking left turns all the time.
Speaker 3So People and it's usually people on the left Always have this, this say presidents don't determine gas prices. I say bullshit. Bullshit because because as soon as a Republican gets in the office, drill. I can drill, everything drill everywhere drill and guess who gets scared OPEC? Opec's like oh shit, yeah, so they lower the fucking, they lower their oil price.
Speaker 8What is that? Who does that help?
Speaker 3It helps the American people? Yes, of course, absolutely so.
Speaker 5So I'm gonna wear around gas real quick. What do you think hurts the low income bottom of the barrel people worse?
Speaker 7Gas Because? Because don't no?
Speaker 5offense. Like a guy like you or me or Roy or whoever. They make 50,000 to $200,000 a year, you think we care doesn't hurt as much.
Speaker 6But if you're barely paying rent, if you know you have to go spend $60 to fill your car.
Speaker 5You're robbing the $60 to me means nothing, right? $60 means they, they're the people when you pull up to the pump and you see $5, right from the person before you. That person's hurting, unless the Granted. There's times I roll up on the bike and I might put five bucks in the top of the tank right or fill in something for the lawn, more I get it, but right here it is fucking yeah, March yeah or February.
Speaker 5We ride every now and again. So yeah, you might see it. But in the summertime, when you see that all the time, or in the winter time you see it all the time. You know that person scraping change and trying to pull change out of the washing machine or the dryer To fucking get five gallons to try to work yes, yes, it hurts the air's low income people so much worse. They have so much less money to spend on anything else.
Speaker 2Shouldn't they? That's not even you know. I'm getting to work and all of them.
Speaker 3Shouldn't they pull themselves up by the bootstrap and get it better? I get it.
Speaker 2No I how do they do that? But how the hell are they gonna? How are they gonna be able to go to college in?
Speaker 5pay for a seven hundred dollar credit hour If they can't hardly put five bucks in the gas tank to go to the third, themselves up by the bootstrap. Right, but if you want to, try to help.
Speaker 5You want to try to help low-income people See, but if you want to try to help low-income people and get themselves out of it, and I'll let you talk in a second. I know these are people you work with or for, but if you can do anything to give them relief, don't make bread three dollars a loaf. Get it back to a buck. Don't make gas four dollars again.
Speaker 3The president has something to do with that, for sure.
Speaker 2Maybe, so for sure for sure.
Speaker 6Why do you think the economy she could we're spending on?
Speaker 5we're spending a hundred thirty three million dollars, or billion dollars, to ukraine, right, we spend a hundred thirty three billion here saying, hey, man, you know that sounds a whole lot like welfare.
Speaker 9See the thing about welfare you're gonna call it corporate welfare.
Speaker 5But you gotta remember who hires the people. Corporate corporations, businesses hire the people, right.
Speaker 3So could you imagine if you got a tax break In these in these republics, your girl, these republican policies of um, what's the word? Uh, trickle down economics. That was that started by ronald reagan. Uh, how's that working out? So, but once again, not well. No, this is the same thing we're not trickling down.
Speaker 5This is the same thing where we said we said, we said the hundred you know I love that brother. We had a busy we sent 60 billion to ukraine and cash. We have no accountability of it, right. So it's the same thing with trickle down, right, we're gonna give tax breaks and incentives and dot-a-dot.
Speaker 5Right what are they actually spending the money on? Are they reinvesting it, building a new building? Because I tell you what, if I put an expansion on this building, it's not going to be plumber's here, it's going to be carpenters and site guys and everything else. So that does trickle down. It doesn't mean my employees are going to make more an hour, but I'm hiring contractors to do the expansion or put the new. Someone's got to build the equipment. I'm putting in here Inspection right. So there's all these other things that go into a trickle down when a business doesn't expansion.
Speaker 7It's hard for that to work right. We have inflation Exploding well.
Speaker 5Shit that we used to buy for four dollars is forty dollars. Yeah right I.
Speaker 8I just been, a project I just been a plump basic plumbing mechanical project for the city of my pleasant what do you do?
Speaker 5a bath house. Oh, my number was over a hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 9I was going to go back to the same people who have are struggling to get gas in their tank, are usually making an okay amount, can barely afford rent or anything, but they go to apply for things like food stamps or whatever and they don't qualify because they don't look at everything that you're paying out, they look at your gross income Yep gross.
Speaker 8You make too much money. Exactly so. These same people are struggling, can't get the help because you got to be dead, nuts, nothing, poor, or in order to get any help from the state mental health problems happening you to stress and everything, amongst other things but at it.
Speaker 4So michigan, and in children michigan is one of the highest states in uh cost of childcare. Yeah, it's ridiculous to add that in.
Speaker 9Yeah, but the mental health crisis that we have in this country, absolutely, um, in order to you know, even if you have, you can't get into cmh, for example.
Speaker 5Without having to say anything, so community mental health.
Speaker 3So listen, you have to have medicaid. Who cut all the funding for mental health in america?
Speaker 9Don't ask me, I just don't. Republicans keep going. Well, I was going to say it, show me.
Speaker 3Show me Look it up.
Speaker 5I don't know. I'll look it up In order to get into community mental health. It was republicans. I say it's democrats.
Speaker 9And my kids have been on it. But in order to get my kids in there, you have to practically be killing yourself.
Speaker 5It's ridiculous, right and I will tell you this help or childcare is ridiculous. When andy was little he was born in 06 and I had him in full-time daycare. You know he was shitting the diapers and doing doing the stuff. Back then it was like 185 dollars a week, so it's 800 dollars a month essentially Just to put him in daycare when he was little. That's a mortgage payment two parts talking to my buddy at work two parts.
Speaker 8What do you? Pay for daycare he pays like 20,000 a year.
Speaker 2I pay 235 dollars a week per kid.
Speaker 5Per kid I don't have one but so yeah, so over the top ronald reagan Did what cut funding for he's the only one.
Speaker 3I mean he was a republican Administration, but we'll see the only one I mean yeah, I mean he, yeah, pretty much he killed, he killed it.
Speaker 8Okay, but why didn't in america? Why didn't clinton turn around and bring it back?
Speaker 3because there's a because it's about money. I mean listen.
Speaker 2If you think it's not even about money for mental health. The reality is, we simply don't have enough people to provide that service.
Speaker 9Well, there's that as well, but the stipulations that they put on it to get help.
Speaker 3I remember, I remember, and you're old enough to remember.
Speaker 6Whoa, don't be throwing that old shit at me. All right we're gonna throw.
Speaker 3To the main team I remember that they're being Mental health in america. Do you remember when this place was open?
Speaker 8You mean that place down there?
Speaker 5No, where does state hold? State hold yeah, I'm a state home.
Speaker 3Yeah and then when, fucking when um O'rana got in there, all that funding in that thing. That place shut down.
Speaker 5No that didn't shut down until 2000. You could have terry and sunstone because he worked there. I heard neither dude.
Speaker 4I heard going on in this house.
Speaker 8Terri travis and suncio worked there before he got a stage.
Speaker 5I think it was under granholm mental health systems acts 1980.
Speaker 3Okay, so read it that was.
Speaker 5That was my president. What's it say jimmy carter? Jimmy carter, hold on.
Speaker 3Okay, which mental health president, ronald reagan, who had major efforts during his government, is to reduce funding and enlistment for california mental institutions.
Speaker 5So believe me, yeah, okay, because he was and listen. No, we're all good.
Speaker 3I'm with you.
Speaker 6I'm letting you know.
Speaker 3I'm not far away, grandholm.
Speaker 5Grandholm, I bet you was the governor when this yeah, home should be here. Here's something I want to throw at you.
Speaker 8This is what I think is bullshit and and I this is personal to me that if you have a federal, if you have a felony drug offense, you can't get Stayed a. And I understand that it's the individuals reason, it's an individual stain, it's the individuals thing, but the person. But if that person, how do you, how do they get better if you don't allow them to, to get the resources to get better?
Speaker 9Oh, there's many areas in our outro system that just doesn't work, right right.
Speaker 5All right, so we're gonna. We're gonna wrap up tonight's episode and and trey, we won't. We're here about three hours.
Speaker 8We're gonna keep going. Yeah, we'll definitely be on the next one. So this this. Within the next couple weeks, we'll have another one out.
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Speaker 8Again, we'd like to thank roi For being here today. Absolutely, we hope to see you again, young man. Oh yeah, because that's awesome. I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it and seen how the shit show works. Yep, hey everybody, good night from aj sky lounge. Uh, drink lots of beer, have a good time. Lots of pepsi, pepsi, sorry and love, love, love, love the people you love. Yeah, stay hydrated stay hydrated.
Speaker 3Sounds very democrat Shoot.
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