Beyond the 9-5: Veterans Discuss Remote Work, Sports Highlights, and Political Perspectives

What if the 9-5 workday is dead, and remote work truly is the future? Join us for a spirited episode of the Soup Sandwich podcast, where our lively group of military veterans from VFW Post 3033 navigates the pulse of sports, politics, and everyday life with a mix of humor and insight. We kick things off with some light-hearted banter about our podcast roles before diving into the excitement of the Detroit Lions' recent victory—a win so thrilling it had us reminiscing about the unforgettable moments in NFL, NBA, and NHL history. Our unique blend of military experiences and cheeky anecdotes, like sneaking into VIP lines to meet sports legends, sets the stage for a podcast that’s as entertaining as it is enlightening.

As the conversation shifts gears, we tackle complex political issues with the same vigor, discussing everything from immigration policies and the U.S. healthcare system to the nuances of voting behavior and election strategies. Engage in our spirited debates surrounding the Electoral College, media bias, and shifting political ideologies, as we strive to present diverse perspectives that spark critical thinking. Our discussions are peppered with humor and camaraderie, reflecting our shared experiences as veterans transitioning into civilian life, a journey filled with both challenges and laugh-out-loud moments.

We wrap up this episode with a dive into societal concerns like reproductive rights and economic policies, focusing on how these issues impact American cities and veterans. Amidst playful banter and humorous exchanges, we express our heartfelt gratitude to our listeners, inviting you to explore the world of veterans and the multifaceted challenges we face. Whether you're a sports fanatic, a political enthusiast, or simply curious about the veteran experience, this episode promises insights that are both thought-provoking and delightfully entertaining.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:02

War is a paradox. It has the power to bring nations together, to inspire heroism and sacrifice and to forge bonds of camaraderie that will span a lifetime, but it also has the power to tear families apart, to shatter communities and to leave scars that will never fully heal. And, for those who have served, the transition back to civilian life can be one of the greatest challenges they will ever face. This is the typical life of military veterans, a world that is both familiar and foreign to most of us. It is a world that is shaped by unique experiences, values and traditions of the military and by the sacrifices and struggles of those who have served, but it's also a world that is constantly changing, as new generations of veterans confront new challenges and new opportunities. Thank you for joining us at Soup Sandwich. Dig your foxhole, heat up your MRE and spend some time with us.

Speaker 1 0:59

This podcast is designed solely for entertainment and, occasionally, informational purposes only, and is to be regarded strictly as satire. Comprising of veterans, it delves into their thoughts and experiences in combat, as well as their perspectives on various aspects of daily life that may be unsettling for certain listeners. This podcast is not suitable for individuals under the age of 18. The views articulated in this podcast may not necessarily align with those of the National VFW VFW Department of Michigan or VFW Post 3033. Additionally, we kindly request that listeners refrain from pursuing legal action against the creators or contributors of this podcast. In other words, please don't sue us.

Speaker 3 1:44

Well, sorry about that. Ladies and gents, welcome to another night of soup sandwich, aptly named in case you have been watching us on the live and trying to figure some of this shit out. So we got great equipment. We just don't know how to use it. So, anyway, we're back again. Thanks for joining us. I suppose we should just go around the table and say who's here, shall we? I don't know. I'll start with me. My name is Brent. I am the founder of this podcast. Shake your head all you want, but, but you know, it's fucking true.

Speaker 4 2:27

The founder that shows up once every nine months. Excuse you.

Speaker 3 2:30

We took the summer off. You did too. We all did, we all did. Anyway, I don't know. House, you're up.

Speaker 5 2:41

Bill House life. Member post 3033.

Speaker 6 2:49

Bill House. Lifetime member of Post 3033. Trey Porter.

Speaker 7 2:53

Lifetime member of Post 3033, president of the Riders Group as well. Roy Thomas, lifetime member of Post 3033 and the current Post Quartermaster.

Speaker 8 3:03

Joe Gates, secretary of the Riders Group and adjunct of Post 3033. The current post quartermaster Joe Gates, secretary of the writers group and adjunct of post 3033. And all around tech nerd.

Speaker 4 3:12

And I'm Charlie Klein, life member of post 3033 and the department of Michigan, director for the writers groups.

Speaker 3 3:21

That sounds like a really lofty title, but it's not. It's not.

Speaker 4 3:30

It's a bunch of junk, like any other position. I really strive to be the quartermaster and I would love to do it, but Roy does such a good job. I think we're going to bring up his life. Member quartermaster forever.

Speaker 2 3:40

He's a quartermaster, yeah.

Speaker 4 3:41

I think so he does such a great job. I agree. I would hate to steal that from him. You have no worries, on my end I'll never go after that. Just wait until elections. Just wait until elections. For those that don't know what the quartermaster is, it's basically your treasurer. They deal with all the monies of the VFW post and pay the employees and all the bar stuff. It's a lot of work. Our post is crazy busy.

Speaker 6 4:09

Very busy. I do not envy the quartermaster no not at all, it's the busiest job in the post. It's the one that nobody wants. Luckily, roy's unemployed and he's got nothing better to do.

Speaker 7 4:22

Yeah, I live in a van down by the river.

Speaker 4 4:26

Oh, you moved, I thought you were living in the back of the post.

Speaker 3 4:30

No, I thought he was over by the junkyard.

Speaker 7 4:34

I'll soon be looking in your window.

Speaker 4 4:39

I like peeping Tom, I'll watch your whole family eat dinner. Peeping Roy, that was Theo Vaughn, said that one time.

Speaker 2 4:45

Oh man.

Speaker 4 4:46

That guy's podcast when he's on Joe Rogan. Oh God, I just crack up laughing.

Speaker 8 4:50

Some of the stuff he says it's absolutely hilarious. Sound of Freedom.

Speaker 4 4:54

Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 4:56

Oh yeah, sound of Freedom. Speaking of that, if you're new to this podcast. Oh, there you go. There's two. If you're new to this podcast, you're going to hear sounds of freedom, of us cracking open cans of apple juice Liquid refraction. Yeah, yeah, liquid curd, something like that, and we're munching on chips and salsa, so you're going to be hearing that too. So sorry in advance, but not really sorry because I'm hungry, so what?

Speaker 6 5:26

should we talk about tonight? Gents, charlie's looking at me. He knows what he wants to talk about. Elf, in the room we can get to that later man.

Speaker 8 5:34

Let's talk about that.

Speaker 2 5:35

Lions win. Yeah Great, something positive. Oh my God, we've got lots of positives.

Speaker 4 5:39

Talk about it.

Speaker 3 5:40

Yeah, we do.

Speaker 4 5:40

We'll start at the low positives. There's a bigger positive that happened over the week, but we'll get to that. He's just grimacing.

Speaker 3 5:48

I'm grinning, grinning ear to ear.

Speaker 4 5:56

You know I mean Jerry Goff. Five picks, two of which I don't count. Man, he tipped at the line or bumbled around you know when his arm got hit. I mean those aren't bad passes. Right, that's hit the line, or you know, his arm got grabbed on a throw. The other three bad, absolutely bad passes but, still, he threw five interceptions and still come back and win that game.

Speaker 7 6:14

I mean that's crazy. Yeah, we went into halftime with those five picks and I just thought it was done.

Speaker 4 6:19

It was already what 23 to 7? 7, yeah, 7. Yeah, I mean it was crazy, right, and then to come back and play like that Shut them down.

Speaker 6 6:28

Second half yeah, completely Shut down and the thing is, their defense was not our defense. The Texans, texans, their defense was killer in that first half. Yeah, they were killing us.

Speaker 5 6:43

Yeah, they were flying around. So with that win, lions are number two in the nation, only following by the Chiefs, which I will make this announcement that the Lions did beat in preseason but I was told by a super Uber Chiefs fan, that that doesn't count. Well, I say it counts.

Speaker 7 7:03

We also beat them first game of the season last year.

Speaker 4 7:05

First game of the season last year, winning in the Arrowhead.

Speaker 6 7:09

We'll beat them in the last game of the playoffs this year. All that matters.

Speaker 3 7:14

I'm not a huge football guy, but I also don't live under a rock, so what's the deal with Hutch?

Speaker 6 7:21

Broke his leg.

Speaker 3 7:23

I heard rumors that he might make it to a Super Bowl, if we get that far.

Speaker 7 7:28

I mean those were rumored, but man, that's a quick push to get back.

Speaker 4 7:34

That's probably a no-go, he'll be there in spirit. My only guess is, if they did decide to suit him up and the game gets out of hand, one play and he'll come in, maybe on offense, just to kneel the ball so he could say he had a play One play to get the rain Somewhere.

Speaker 7 7:51

non-contact.

Speaker 4 7:53

Yeah, the game's pretty much over. He's not going to do anything. They do that a lot with a lot of players that get hurt. At the end of the year they bring them in just for the kneel down play or something.

Speaker 6 8:03

That poor kid, the kneel down player or something. That poor kid, what a freak action. I know as great as he's been, and this season in particular, to go out that way it just sucks. Nature of the beast.

Speaker 4 8:19

I guess I was excited to see Smith running around. I was surprised to see him one not play Desiree Smith, but he goes. This was supposed to be my bye week in Cleveland, so coach doesn't want me playing every single week of the year. They sat him like it was his bye week. He did a lot of interviews after the game and he was like, oh my god, he was so pumped to be a part of that team Because of how good they are. But how they play like a team, it's not individuals bitching at each other in the locker room after a loss, like some of these other teams are having issues like Dallas right now and stuff like that right.

Speaker 7 8:56

Yeah, with a QB right on the sideline mouthing we fucking suck.

Speaker 1 9:00

We fucking suck. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a morale killer.

Speaker 3 9:05

So what's the energy this year versus last year? Last year, we divide all odds.

Speaker 5 9:13

Well, last year, you know, we started off kind of weak and got better as the season progressed.

Speaker 3 9:18

But we're 8-1 at this point. So, like you said, you know only behind the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 9:23

It's getting better.

Sports Memories and Veterans Bonding

Speaker 3 9:24

How's the energy this year? Do we have fierce competition?

Speaker 7 9:29

I think we picked up right where we left off last year, though because the second half of the season last year we were the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 5 9:34

Yeah, exactly, they just lit fires.

Speaker 7 9:38

Obviously, we had that tough loss in the playoffs which we should have won. Had we have won that, we would have been in the playoffs, which we should have won.

Speaker 3 9:45

I mean, what a mess. Had, we have won that we would have been in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 9:48

Right, yeah, for sure, and probably won the Super.

Speaker 4 9:50

Bowl. Well, they got screwed in Dallas, right. So then they didn't have home field advantage when they should have, because if they had that, win every game would have been played at 4-4.

Speaker 7 10:02

Yep, but I mean, we came out that first half at San Francisco and we were just tearing them up like shell shock San Francisco, and then that second half on the page the Chiefs suck.

Speaker 5 10:12

Who said that?

Speaker 8 10:16

Who did? I'm sorry, sean, but the Chiefs suck.

Speaker 5 10:25

One of my buddies from the Navy. He's a big Chiefs fan from Wichita, Kansas. He likes to rub it in they're undefeated. And I said, well, except for that loss to the Lions in preseason. He said, yeah, whatever, those don't count. Who the hell is a.

Speaker 7 10:43

Chiefs fan around here, yeah, but week after after week, it just seems like the Chiefs are getting bailed out.

Speaker 5 10:48

Man. Well, that's because they're not playing any teams that really are that good.

Speaker 4 10:52

Texans are definitely a playoff team and they showed it.

Speaker 5 10:57

They're going to be there if you look at the Chiefs lineup versus the Lions lineup, it's much, much harder season for the Lions than it is for the Chiefs, based on who they play.

Speaker 4 11:11

Yeah, but you can't fault If you're in a division they're in the AFC, it's the teams that you've got to play. You don't really have much choice. Is it an easier path? Yeah, maybe, but to the same extent you've still got to go out every week and execute. That's right. I mean, that's all there is to it, right? That's right.

Speaker 8 11:32

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 11:33

So, Yep, so I'm rooting for it because what minimal knowledge that I know about football. I always used to make the joke that all the Detroit teams are farm teams for the rest of their leagues, but last year proved me wrong with the Lions, and I guess the Pistons is still in that category, I suppose from what I can understand, yeah, but I mean in our lifetime, you know, you've got to give the fact that the Pistons went in 04.

Speaker 7 11:59

So it's not like they're championship-less or whatever. And the bad boys.

Speaker 6 12:04

Yeah, back in the 03 or something 88, 87, 88.

Speaker 7 12:07

Oh yeah, the early 90s.

Speaker 4 12:10

You guys heard my story about going down what?

Speaker 5 12:12

are you talking about Tigers? Yeah, the Pistons. The Pistons won that year. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 12:16

Elvis night. Yeah, did you hear that?

Speaker 2 12:18

one.

Speaker 4 12:29

You went with your father-in-law drives for UPS was a huge Pistons fan ever since my wife and I started dating and so I got him and Jen's brother-in-law, sean, tickets for a game down at the Palace, so the three of us go down there. It's Elvis night, so there's all these Elvis impersonators, right, and my father-in-law is always like the sneaky guy and if he could shade a gray line, he's shading it with a couple feet on the other side, basically right. So there's this huge lineup of people walking. So we have nice seats in the upper bowl, right on that first row of the upper bowl. See everything, perfect. So we go down. He sees Darko Milicek warming up, so we go down there. He wants to get a picture with Darko and all of a sudden this big line of people come by and he was like what are those people doing? Or whatever we're like, I don't know. And he's like well, let's go with them.

Speaker 4 13:18

So we jumped in the back of the line and we start walking and we go around the court and then we're standing in line and they're literally like oh, you have your camera, yeah, you know some random camera. You walk out on the court while both teams are warming up and they got the two championship trophies out there. So we walk over to the table. We're, like you know, to get a picture with the trophies. It was like a VIP line that you had to probably pay to get into or something you know, and it was like a VIP line.

Speaker 1 13:45

they had to probably pay to get into or something you know, and my mother was like let's get in that son of a bitch.

Speaker 4 13:47

So we get in it. Yeah, we went out there. That's awesome. That's cool, Great, great. I mean, I never would have done it because I would have been like I don't want to get thrown out of here. And he was like hell with that. Let's go.

Speaker 5 13:59

Let's do it.

Speaker 4 13:59

You know.

Speaker 3 14:00

Yeah, it was pretty cool, though Reminds me of my trip to boot camp. That was horrible. Another story for another day, blizzard. But you guys even went to boot camp, oh shut the fuck up.

Speaker 5 14:10

Great mistakes, baby, great mistakes.

Speaker 4 14:12

I thought you guys stayed in Holiday.

Speaker 5 14:13

Inn when you went there. That's the Air Force. That's the Air Force.

Speaker 6 14:17

Down in San Antonio. They go tubing down there on the river every weekend, Saturday and Sunday. It's part of their training. The Air Force drink beers.

Speaker 4 14:30

You're lying. Nah, I am lying, I mean I would almost think that might be.

Speaker 2 14:34

I mean, it was kind of plausible until you said drink beers, I thought the tubing trip, maybe no man, but.

Speaker 3 14:45

So what's our favorite sports in general? I mean, do you guys watch them all Me? I am more of a hockey person. I like my Red Wings, I like my Grand Rapids Griffins.

Speaker 6 14:55

I don't watch hockey really.

Speaker 3 14:57

You should. They beat the shit out of each other. I know it's the only sport that they still are allowed to do.

Speaker 6 15:02

Don't get me wrong. I remember back in the day when oh help me out, mccarty.

Speaker 4 15:10

Oh, Darren McCarty.

Speaker 6 15:12

Yeah, beat the shit out of Claude.

Speaker 4 15:14

Lemieux From Colorado Avalanche Turtled him, and that was only because he put the head on.

Speaker 7 15:21

What's the redhead?

Speaker 6 15:23

Chelyos, no Heisman Dalios.

Speaker 7 15:25

No Heisman.

Speaker 6 15:26

Datsun no.

Speaker 7 15:27

One of his teammates. I knew it was one of them. I read McCarty's book and the whole thing, but I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 4 15:37

I can't think of it now either.

Speaker 7 15:38

I was hoping you were going to get there.

Speaker 4 15:40

He had red hair, red beard. He clawed a mule, broke his back or broke his neck.

Speaker 6 15:44

Broke his face, was it?

Speaker 2 15:46

his face.

Speaker 6 15:47

Oh yeah, yeah Damn, it was a nasty, it was kind of a dirty play.

Speaker 7 15:52

Yeah, but like when McCarty, you know, completely annihilated him, like that became just an image around the world. Yeah, yeah. You know, there was so much that was put out I world, there was so much that was put out.

Speaker 3 16:04

I was a season ticket holder for the Grand Rapids Griffins for five years. Right after I got out of the military I was like I had that terminal leave pay and I was like I'm going to be really bored. This year I decided to buy myself some season tickets and that lasted for five seasons. It was great.

Speaker 4 16:20

Chris Draper. It was so crazy because I actually saw Chris Draper at a Michigan State game. This was late 90s or no late 2000s. Jen's grandma, her boyfriend, went there season tickets since 65 or whatever the fuck right. So we go there, so we're sitting in his seats, which are like right behind the player's parents, and the game gets over and we're standing up down there for the Michigan Michigan State game. Of course we're Michigan fans, we, we won that year. And uh, all of a sudden we're standing up and we're getting ready to hit the aisle and I nudged Jen. I said, hey, that's Chris Draper, and he looks over, puts his head down and goes straight up the thing. It was totally him and he was probably 25 feet away from me, but it was enough that he could hear me say it because as soon as he said it, he looked straight over at me.

Speaker 6 17:16

You know Darren McCarty. He spent a lot of time here. His wife was from Claire.

Speaker 7 17:22

Oh, really oh yeah, he's been up here a lot. Do you know Russ Fember?

Speaker 4 17:26

No.

Speaker 5 17:27

Yeah from far away.

Speaker 2 17:28

You know, Russ.

Speaker 7 17:29

Yeah, and his brother Tom. Yeah, they were all super close. Mccarty, he would always come up here for the Irish Fest. Oh, that's cool.

Speaker 6 17:38

They would always get together big group. So I'd known his wife pretty much my whole life I was probably like 12 or 13 when I met her and once.

Speaker 5 17:50

I retired from the military? Did it freeze on your end?

Speaker 4 17:56

No.

Speaker 6 17:58

Joe's hacking away on bylaws. Once I went in the military. Well, when I came back I met up with her. She was living down in the city with McCarty, that's probably just your connection. He took us up to the Red Wings suite to one of the games over there. It was great. He's a good guy. He's been to my facility.

Speaker 3 18:20

What I was talking about. You're saying McCarty, yeah, Okay, I can't remember what year it was. He got hurt or something, and then they put him down to the Griffins and I remember that because was I?

Speaker 7 18:34

Yeah, that was towards the end of his career.

Speaker 2 18:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3 18:38

So I think he came down. He was our goalie for a while.

Speaker 7 18:43

But I mean, those were the days, you know to where the enforcer, like you know you feared, you feared those guys. You know those enforcers Well that started with Bob Probert. Yeah, you know Probert gave way to, you know McCarthy there, but that was just a massive era where those enforcers like you even looked at any of their teammates wrong and they were dropping those gluttons.

Speaker 4 19:10

They got on the ice with the sole purpose of going to fight. They didn't even care about the puck.

Speaker 7 19:16

They didn't care where it was at.

Speaker 4 19:17

They got on the ice to come over there and beat you to death.

Speaker 7 19:20

Yep, that was their sole mission.

Speaker 4 19:21

That was the point of having them. So for me, football, obviously I like college sports actually better than professional Michigan hockey, michigan State hockey, but obviously the Red Wings Football it used to be in the CMU. Years and years ago we could walk to the stadium from our house. You know it takes about 15 minutes. But we don't go to any of those games anymore because they started making them on Tuesday nights and Wednesday nights and all these weird things, it's just to be on TV.

Veterans Bond Over Sports Memories

Speaker 4 19:54

It's like, you know, no, I'm not going. You know, because I've got to get up, because we're working five in the morning, Right, so that's Kind of killed it. But yeah, baseball Great Lakes Loons. I'm trying to get over to a game.

Speaker 7 20:05

That's fun to get over there. It's cheap baseball.

Speaker 4 20:08

But you're so close.

Speaker 7 20:09

Right.

Speaker 4 20:09

We took the kids down one time to Detroit this was years ago and it's $300 for hotel rooms or more. Then you're eating out, so there's another $200, $300. Then the tickets are $200, $300 for four people to go, then all the crap you're buying in there, man one trip down for a couple days in Detroit was $1,000.

Speaker 4 20:35

I don't mind paying it. It was good to take the kids down there so they can experience stuff, but I'm not going to do it over and over and over when I can go watch baseball at the Loons for $12 a seat or $8 sitting in the yard and I can go get a $4 beer and not a $14 beer, right right, you know, same thing, same thing.

Speaker 3 20:51

You know my neck of the woods from Grand Rapids, it was the West Michigan Whitecaps, you know, and it was nice over there because I went over there for a few games not too long after my cousin became. I don't know if he was head coach. I don't think he was head coach, or he was maybe like conditioning, I don't know, because he had played a little bit in the major leagues and so they hired him on there. I don't even know if he's there anymore, but I was laughing earlier because my better half, tiffany, she's watching. So hi, tiffany, she was texting me, she. She was like I met McCarty and she said he's got, she's got his autograph in the book he wrote.

Speaker 7 21:27

So she's, she's fangirling at home, good buck um, you know, especially I didn't young, you know I follow, I didn't, you know, follow or understand much of the Red Wings through the early 90s and stuff you know, know through their dominance. But you know, the Russian Five and that limo accident, you know I learned about all that and then just how out of control McCarty was with drugs and everything else back then. Man, it was a good read, you know, interesting to catch up on them.

Speaker 4 21:59

but Well, I got into the Wings in the 2000s because my sister and brother-in-law had seasoned seats down there. Whenever they weren't using them, jen and I would take the tickets and go down there and buy them from them. It would be shit, sometimes 3 o'clock. He couldn't sell them for that day. He'd call man, we're gone, she's out of work early and we're flying down there. And we went to a playoff game one year Went into triple overtime. We lost and by the time we got back it was like we literally went home, changed and went to work because it was foggy as hell you had to drive like 35 miles an hour on the way home.

Speaker 7 22:39

I'll tell you, though, he's a big supporter of the troops McC. He's a big supporter of the troops McCarty.

Speaker 7 22:44

Yeah, I did what four years ago. So I've been doing this golf outing for a local KIA, ellsworth. They do a big golf outing down in Novi every year in his honor because that's where his dad's at, and McCarty was there, you know. I got to meet him and talk to him there. But then I just did one this year over in Frankenmuth at the Fortress with John Ellsworth. It was the golf outing for the Military Heroes Museum and McCarty was there. So we made the turn and I'm standing there, you know, getting a hot dog or whatever, and he walks up and he's just standing. I bet you were I love that Probably no bun.

Speaker 7 23:31

No bun.

Speaker 4 23:33

He's probably no bun. He's just like throwing at me. No bun extra mayo Just throwing at me, but I turn around.

Speaker 7 23:46

I turn around after I get my dog and there's McCarty standing right there.

Speaker 4 23:50

You know, there again for another veteran's ordeal, chit-chat real quick and rock and roll. You know that's cool. It's cool. Man, you can't say stuff like that around us. Yeah, you should have skipped that part. I should have said I was getting a beer. I was getting a beer.

Speaker 6 23:58

I was getting a burger.

Speaker 5 23:59

I was getting a beer. I I got a no bun extra mayo on my dog's face.

Speaker 7 24:03

Extra mayo.

Speaker 3 24:07

Can we just sorry to interrupt. Can we just make sure our volumes are turned all the way down because I can hear it from somebody? I got mine off. People at home probably can't hear it, but when we were quiet I could catch it. All right, it was probably five people. No, mine's not.

Speaker 4 24:23

Five people with their phones watching the live. How many people we got watching?

Speaker 3 24:28

One, two, three, four, five, six.

Speaker 4 24:32

Three other people out there in one's company, we know.

Speaker 7 24:36

Brian Shaner won Jake Bullis.

Speaker 4 24:39

Jakey's on. How do you see who's on?

Speaker 5 24:41

Hi Jake. I can't see that on mine. You're not an admin on the thing. If you're an admin, you can see who's watching.

Speaker 3 24:44

How do you see who's on? Hi, jake, I can't see that on the monitor, so you're not an admin on the thing. If you're an admin, you can see who's watching.

Veteran Friends Chat About Life

Speaker 4 24:47

I see, cool, well thanks for tuning in, guys.

Speaker 7 24:49

Our old XO. From 2-4 there. His son transferred from James Madison to Michigan State this year. He was a long snapper, oh really. And so we've been going down to the games there. You know, pretty cool. But the Michigan-Michigan State game he snapped the ball and he would always be one of the first ones down there to try and make a tackle. Well he went to plant and his knee instantly buckled and he went down and come to find out a complete ACL tear and three tears in his meniscus. So he's down and going through.

Speaker 4 25:32

So that was tough to see. Is Brian still in? Yes, so I've got to give a shout-out to Mud Creek Construction. Brian Chainer up here in Mount Pleasant needs something done. Give it Brian. They did a hell of a job. So here at the Sky Lounge AJ Sky Lounge we got the cupola up on the roof. Thing's been leaking for years, right, so get a hold of Brian. He sends his crew over here in a couple days. They sided it, boarded up all the old windows, osb siding, cut some skylights in, re-shingled, re-flashed. They did everything. We've had a lot of rain around here, zero problems. So I want to make sure I throw that out to Mug Coop and Ryan out there for hooking us up over here so we can be out here tonight without worrying about getting dripped on.

Speaker 7 26:16

Good, good, honest, solid dude. You ain't going to find a better guy than Brian.

Speaker 4 26:20

Well, I don't know about that.

Speaker 7 26:21

I'm sure I can find a better guy Every time I look in the mirror.

Speaker 4 26:24

I see a better guy. But, I mean he's okay, I like the guy, he's all right.

Speaker 2 26:29

Beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 7 26:34

That was a backwards compliment, he's all right.

Speaker 4 26:36

I like the guy.

Speaker 3 26:37

He's hot, he's all right, he's listening. He's like, yeah, I like this oh.

Speaker 4 26:41

Oh oh. The bitch gave me a plug, then burned me.

Speaker 5 26:45

That's what you get, though, right I?

Speaker 6 26:47

mean, you know, that's what you get when you're friends with Charlie Klein.

Speaker 4 26:50

You know, you know it's coming from somewhere. That's right, you're like oh all warm and fuzzy and then, oh, he's an asshole. He don't even Well like Tim would always say that's more fucked up than six guys blowing seven because someone's got two dicks in their mouth.

Speaker 3 27:10

That was one of his things, tim are we allowed to say that on our post page we just did, we just did.

Speaker 4 27:17

We just did.

Speaker 3 27:18

Well, we did the disclaimer, didn't we?

Speaker 6 27:20

Yeah, we did the disclaimer, we did the disclaimer. So there you go 18 and up.

Speaker 4 27:23

Well, this is a post-function, that's right.

Speaker 5 27:26

That's true.

Speaker 4 27:27

I called the meeting to order.

Speaker 6 27:29

Is Emily Stanek old enough to be watching us? I don't think she is.

Speaker 3 27:35

What'd you do to my phone? It looks different now. I just tapped it I touched it.

Speaker 5 27:42

He'd give you a little Apple love. That's what he gave you.

Speaker 6 27:46

I actually accidentally went to the next video and then I went back. The comments are not there anymore.

Speaker 3 27:53

Well, nobody's commented, but I know it just looks different, Anyway it don't matter. Emily and Natalie. Oh, natalie, natalie.

Speaker 6 28:05

I'm not going to be here all night, so we need to get to the real deal.

Speaker 4 28:08

What do you mean? You're not going to be here all night, the real deal.

Speaker 6 28:13

You got me until about 8 o'clock at the latest.

Speaker 5 28:17

He's got a hot date tonight. He's got to get to.

Speaker 3 28:20

What do you want to talk about? The boss is keeping you on the leash.

Speaker 5 28:23

What's his name anyway?

Speaker 6 28:25

I can't tell you that His name is Charlie Klein actually.

Speaker 7 28:29

If he told you he'd have to kill you. Top secret.

Speaker 2 28:33

You don't have clearance.

Speaker 6 28:35

How do we feel about the election boys?

Speaker 5 28:37

What election we had an election I didn't know Ever since the last podcast, which I was not at. Sorry about that so what's the selection you speak of? I?

Speaker 4 28:47

got it, I got it, I liked it.

Speaker 7 28:50

AJ's on. Huh, aj's on AJ Boyle. Aj is on AJ Boyle. Aj Boyle, young AJ.

Speaker 4 28:57

He's on the kid.

Speaker 8 28:59

The kid.

Speaker 4 29:00

The kid is on the kid.

Speaker 7 29:05

Is he old enough to be on this podcast, him and.

Speaker 2 29:07

Emily need to wear earmuffs, yeah I know, how do you feel about it?

Speaker 6 29:15

I don't like it. See, I had to be the one dissenting voice up here, yeah which is good we're not, yeah Just like when we saw you the next day and nobody gloated.

Speaker 4 29:25

I didn't gloat, you know what I didn't like that very much that you guys didn't gloat.

Speaker 6 29:31

Because, if it was me that had one, I'd be rubbing it in all your goddamn faces.

Speaker 4 29:39

That's the difference between the left and the right.

Speaker 8 29:41

That's the difference between the left and the right.

Speaker 4 29:43

That's true, though, because we don't run around calling people racist, misogynist, nazis, uneducated women. We don't label people like that. You guys are the labelers. You're joking right.

Speaker 6 29:57

No, you guys are the labelers. You're joking About what? About what you're saying right now? We don't do that. Are you joking right now?

Speaker 5 30:04

Just get down to business.

Speaker 6 30:05

I can't tell if you're joking or not joking Time out, time out.

Speaker 3 30:09

I would say just labeling in general. I feel like people on the left side of the aisle are more into labels in general, for themselves, for others in general than the right is.

Speaker 6 30:23

Well, I mean, we're talking about Donald Trump, who's the leader of your movement, who comes up with nicknames for everybody Sleepy, joe, those are nicknames, just like your big papa Camel Toe, harris, wait what he came up with that one.

Speaker 3 30:42

Listen listen. I don't think he said Kim until Harris, I didn't hear that one. Crooked Hillary Because she is crooked.

Speaker 5 30:51

Come on really, let's just call it a spade, a spade.

Speaker 6 30:55

You tell me who in DC is not crooked?

Speaker 3 30:59

They're all crooked.

Speaker 6 31:00

You tell me who's not.

Speaker 3 31:01

That's literally the platform he ran on, don't say Donald Trump because he is the fucking crookedest.

Speaker 4 31:06

So the second, crookedest, crookedest. The second yeah, neither one of the Clintons in government. Where did the Clinton Foundation go? Why is there no more money being poured into the Clinton Foundation? I have no idea.

Speaker 2 31:18

I have no idea.

Speaker 4 31:19

Because she can't do favors for anybody. So nobody's donating to the Clinton Foundation anymore. Why?

Speaker 6 31:25

can't she do favors for anybody?

Speaker 4 31:27

Because she's not in government anymore.

Speaker 5 31:29

She has no power anymore.

Speaker 6 31:31

So they shut her down.

Speaker 4 31:32

You know who else Are we going to make Tech our fact checker here.

Speaker 3 31:37

Go ahead. Tech is our fact checker.

Speaker 6 31:39

Listen we're not even talking about Hillary Clinton, hillary. Clinton she didn't run. I'm talking about the Clinton, Hillary Clinton. She didn't run.

Speaker 3 31:50

I'm talking about the name-calling and the let's see the playground antics of Donald Trump.

Speaker 5 31:59

I think, there's a difference between name-calling and labeling. Yes, the difference is he talks about an individual as an individual, not as a group of people as a whole. For instance, anyone who votes for Trump is garbage.

Speaker 4 32:15

Or racist.

Speaker 6 32:18

That was listen. I have never said that all Trump supporters are racist.

Speaker 3 32:25

And we're not saying that you said it.

Speaker 2 32:27

No, but we're not saying every left person said it either.

Speaker 6 32:30

What I will say is all racists are Trump supporters. They are.

Speaker 5 32:37

All racists are Trump supporters. I didn't say listen, listen. No, I don't know if I agree, Not all.

Speaker 6 32:41

Trump supporters are racist.

Speaker 5 32:43

But all racists are Trump supporters. But all racists are Trump supporters. But all racists are Trump supporters. I don't know that. I agree with that.

Speaker 4 32:48

Well, that depends on how.

Speaker 3 32:49

Yeah, I don't agree with that entirely, because there is a such thing as Because every time I listen to the news. When you think of racism in general in this country. You think of white against black or a person of color in general. Okay, but it is entirely possible for racism to be the other way around. That's just the definition of it, and that also happens. That happens, not on the level of Maybe not on the grandest scale. I get it, but I'm just saying it's there, here's the thing.

Speaker 6 33:19

If you walk into a room and for 400 years you're getting kicked in the dick, that would suck 400 years. You're getting kicked in the dick. That would suck 400 years. You're getting kicked in the dick 400 plus years. Don't you think you're going to learn to not like that room very much?

Speaker 4 33:35

Well, but let me ask you this, maybe you're not liking the right room, because you know what party abolished slavery. You know Don't even. No, no, no.

Speaker 6 33:47

Let's talk about it. I do want to talk about this.

Speaker 4 33:50

So what party abolished slavery? It was the Republican Party. Okay, so what party?

Speaker 7 33:55

advocated for slavery.

Speaker 4 33:57

Gave voting Republican Party. Okay, what party actually had the first? Colored? I'll use colored. Sorry if I no if that's a improper term actually had the first senators or congressmen elected into. It was Republicans Right, so the first black members elected to Congress were Republicans. So at what point did it switch?

Speaker 6 34:20

Look up Google this the Southern Strategy. I'd also want to bring up the Three-Fifths Compromise too.

Speaker 5 34:28

Who came up with that.

Speaker 6 34:29

I've never, heard of it.

Speaker 7 34:31

I don't know what you're talking about. Democrats wanted to keep slaves.

Speaker 4 34:34

Republicans wanted to free slaves.

Speaker 6 34:36

You're right, absolutely.

Speaker 3 34:39

And then you can never forget the fact that Lincoln was the one that signed the Emancipation Placidation.

Speaker 6 34:43

And he was a Republican? Yes, he was. And he got shot he got shot.

Speaker 3 34:48

Let's be honest.

Speaker 5 34:49

So why is it then, with all those being fact right, Proven facts that you can look up, why is it then that the black population seems to vote more Democrat than Republican? Incumbency?

Speaker 4 35:06

Because they get lied to. Unfortunately, they get promised stuff that never gets delivered.

Speaker 6 35:12

They leave them out, they keep dangling the carrot. I want to listen to this real quick.

Speaker 8 35:17

I don't want to pull up Wikipedia because of what you can do with that one, so I'm pulling up Botanica. It says that it's a political history of the us, a campaign strategy the republican party actively pursued for the 1960s that initially sought to increase and preserve support from white voters in the south by subtly endorsing racial segregation, racial discrimination and a disenfranchised time out, stop.

Speaker 6 35:38

What party was that? That's it. It was a republican party, okay, and a disenfranchisement of black voters.

Speaker 8 35:42

A disenfranchisement of black voters.

Speaker 6 35:45

Disenfranchisement of black voters.

Speaker 3 35:47

Which Republican House member, Congress in general, Senate and the Republican Party period.

Speaker 4 35:53

It just says Republican Party yeah.

Speaker 5 35:56

So, what happened is yes, they flipped this before Listen you know who David Duke is.

Speaker 4 36:02

You know who David Duke is. Wasn't he part of the KKK?

Speaker 6 36:08

He was a grand wizard, okay okay, no, he was a state senator in Louisiana. Can you look him up?

Speaker 3 36:12

show me what party. Okay time out though time out so when we're talking about senior.

Speaker 6 36:18

Democrat. He was a Democrat, but he was before the southern strategy and pooh paw of the once the southern strategy along, and the Republican Party was. What's his name? David Duke. Yeah, david Duke, he was like the grand wizard, but so was. Yes, you're right, bill, that he was a former.

Speaker 8 36:38

What's that? He was a former KKK leader, white supremacist politician.

Speaker 6 36:44

So what party was he in when he was in the?

Speaker 8 36:48

Says he's not directly associated with the Southern Strategy Right. Not directly. Okay, Beth failed running for governor. Hold on, let me find what party he was in.

Speaker 3 36:58

So while he's looking that up, I just want to point something out. So if we're going to be talking about the Southern Strategy as it relates to the Republican Party, I want to know who in the Republican Party was involved in this, and I'm willing to bet that it was going to be the Southern Republicans who grew up in that area.

Speaker 6 37:14

It started, I believe, with Nixon, not Nixon, yeah, nixon, richard Nixon. It started with Nixon In the 60s.

Speaker 3 37:21

Wouldn't that be LBJ?

Speaker 2 37:23

Well it started with Nixon.

Speaker 6 37:24

That's actually and then Ronald Reagan kicked it up a whole other level and that's how he won. He won in 1984. He won every single state except for Minnesota.

Speaker 4 37:38

Minnesota was the only one that Mondale got, and he was a.

Speaker 3 37:42

Republican Wasn't Mondale from Minnesota too?

Speaker 6 37:48

I don't know. The Republican Party back in the 40s, 50s and 60s, during the Civil Rights era, was a lot like what the Democratic Party is nowadays. They switched because the Republican Party was losing support. So they said, wow, we need to get people in here. We're going to appeal to the racists in the South. And that's what they did. They appealed to the racists in the South and started winning again.

Speaker 3 38:19

So what you're saying is virtue signaling to get more votes. His virtue signaling to get more votes. Okay.

Speaker 6 38:24

So my statement that got us here was that not all Trump supporters are racist, but I truly believe in my heart of hearts that all racists are Trump supporters.

Speaker 5 38:40

So you're saying that no one that voted for Harris is unbiased and non-racist.

Speaker 2 38:50

Well, we're talking about. So you're saying that?

Speaker 5 38:52

any racist by your definition is a Trump supporter. So no one that's a racist voted for Harris, that's not what he said. That's exactly what he just said.

Speaker 6 39:02

I did say all racists are Trump supporters. All racists, yeah.

Speaker 4 39:06

Not racists. Oh, did say all races are Trump supporters.

Speaker 6 39:07

All races, yeah, not race, oh, you said racists.

Speaker 1 39:09

Yeah, racists. Oh, I thought you said races.

Speaker 4 39:11

No racists he got because I agree with you. Earlier I thought you said races not racists, racists, yeah, racists.

Speaker 1 39:19

Gotcha, so if you're racist no I definitely

Speaker 4 39:21

don't agree with that.

Speaker 5 39:21

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if you're racist, then you voted for Trump. So do you think? Okay?

Speaker 4 39:26

so, obviously there was blacks and Hispanics that voted for and women that voted for Trump? Are those black people that voted, or Hispanics that voted, or women voted? Are they racist and misogynists Now?

Speaker 6 39:40

let's talk about that.

Speaker 4 39:43

Because if it's only racist, let's talk about that.

Speaker 7 39:45

Because, if it's only racist, because he got increased numbers of the black vote.

Speaker 2 39:48

He had almost 50% of the Latino vote Black Latino.

Speaker 4 39:52

So they're racist against themselves.

Speaker 8 39:54

No, how do they know that? They don't know. We individually voted for them. You know who?

Speaker 6 39:57

Mark Robinson is no. He ran for governor in North Carolina.

Speaker 3 40:01

Isn't he the current lieutenant governor? I think he is.

Speaker 6 40:06

I don't look that up. I don't know how it works. He was the guy that went viral a few years back.

Speaker 7 40:10

talking about, Natalie says I'm appreciating this respectful, controversial conversation amongst you, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 40:17

This is what we do. Don't make me blush, natalie, that's the thing I do not. I do not hate anyone for their political views, right, I don't hate anyone. I respect your right to believe how you believe.

Speaker 7 40:38

And that's what we all went and fought for.

Speaker 6 40:39

Exactly, exactly. So I got family and everything that just go absolutely apeshit over this whole thing.

Speaker 5 40:48

So we've looked up a few people. So look up, senator Byrd, considering you want to look up certain sides.

Speaker 4 40:56

He was talking about.

Speaker 3 40:56

Mark Robinson yeah but he's.

Speaker 4 40:58

But I asked a question earlier. We're going to get back to that Okay About black people.

Speaker 6 41:01

Are those people?

Speaker 4 41:02

racist. Black, yeah, black is the next one.

Speaker 6 41:05

I want him to pull up Mark Robinson and what he did. He's a black guy, he's the lieutenant governor in North Carolina and he was on a porn website years ago talking about I'm a black Nazi. We should bring slavery back. I'd own a few.

Speaker 5 41:30

Is this a black guy?

Speaker 2 41:31

There's a black guy saying this there's Kanye West.

Speaker 6 41:36

who, kanye West? Who said I'm a Nazi, I'm a Nazi.

Speaker 5 41:42

See and I think that term is thrown around way too much it does. People don't even realize exactly what they're talking about when they say that I don't think. So what did I look up?

Speaker 3 41:50

Well he's got like 40 tabs open now. He kept telling him to look shit up.

Speaker 5 41:55

That's what you wanted to look up, but you were bringing up a certain rationale.

Speaker 6 42:00

But I agree with you. Dennis Byrd was a member of the Democratic Party the racist Democratic Party before they became what they are now.

Speaker 5 42:11

What are they now? That's the whole thing. They seem to morph into all this. The.

Speaker 4 42:17

Democratic. Party doesn't even know, they morph into whatever the polls are putting out, say they need to be.

Speaker 7 42:23

Exactly Identity politics hurt the.

Speaker 5 42:25

Democrats.

Speaker 3 42:29

And that's why they are failing.

Speaker 6 42:30

Identity politics.

Political Analysis and Foreign Policy Discussion

Speaker 3 42:31

Yeah, you're right Let me get this out before I forget it. So talking about Mark Robinson and his history, so I know where you're going with this.

Speaker 1 42:37

You're going to go on the aspect of morality and that kind of thing.

Speaker 6 42:41

right, I mean no. And that kind of thing right, well, I mean no. So you say you know what about these black people that voted for Trump and whatever whatnot, who obviously ignored the racism, the misogyny, the homophobia, all of that? We're going to get into that. We'll get into all of that.

Speaker 3 43:02

I don't know. You've got an 8 o'clock bedtime. You've got a curfew.

Speaker 4 43:05

He's got like an hour and 15 minutes or so, if this gets good, I'll stick around. Do you think?

Speaker 7 43:13

the economic woes that this country has been in overweighed these people of colors vote to go towards Donald Trump.

Speaker 6 43:26

I absolutely think that's you know. They looked at it, they looked beyond all that other shit and said my pockets are hurting.

Speaker 8 43:35

Right.

Speaker 6 43:35

I'm going to ignore the rest of this shit and I'll vote for Donald Trump. So, because they think he's going to Well he's already done it once.

Speaker 4 43:44

He did already. As soon as he got elected, the Dow jumped like yeah, the 2000 starts.

Speaker 7 43:50

Mark overnight, no, and it's still moving.

Speaker 6 43:52

Yeah, exactly, it's still ready to check my I need to check.

Speaker 4 43:57

Yeah, you better check your crypto, because it's gone through.

Speaker 8 44:00

They're saying crypto it's insane insane, they're saying cripples gonna keep being all it is. It's insane, it's at 87,000.

Speaker 4 44:05

It's insane. They're saying crypto is going to keep going. All it is is he's just been president-elect, They've taken over. But just the fact that Can we talk about foreign policy too.

Speaker 5 44:15

I was just going to say not only that but Putin has been trying his ass off to get on the phone with Trump to talk to him. I wonder what that's all about, because get on the phone with Trump to talk to him.

Speaker 4 44:24

Wonder what that's all about, because Trump pretty much said he's already said he's already come out and said we need to make a deal and the war Hamas wants to do the same thing.

Speaker 4 44:33

They want to end it because he knows, they all know he's the guy that sat there with the Taliban leader in Afghanistan and said here's a deal I want to leave Afghanistan in 18 months. And we in Afghanistan said here's the deal I want to leave Afghanistan in 18 months and we'll withdraw, but if you kill one American you're done. Pulls out a picture, gives it to the leader of the Taliban. Guess what happened? In 18 months, we never had one American killed you gotta explain that for people who don't understand the picture.

Speaker 3 45:04

The picture was a picture of the leader's house, the Taliban leader's house.

Speaker 4 45:08

The guy he was sitting down with right we're sitting across the table and he said here's the deal With the Terp. Tell him you want to withdraw, want out of Afghanistan, let us leave, everything will be good. Terp says the thing right. And he says you let him know that if one hair on an American's head is hurt, you're done, you're done. Tell him right. So the Terp tells him. Then he hands him a picture of his house.

Speaker 5 45:36

Like I know where you live.

Speaker 4 45:38

A drone and basically said here you go test it. And guess what? For 18 months we didn't have one American killed in Afghanistan. Then he loses the election and then we see the fallout of trying to withdraw with a guy that just simply says don't Right, ooh, don't, don't. Well, here's a picture. I will kill you, your family, your kids.

Speaker 3 46:00

Peace through strength. And didn't Mad Dog do the same thing during a speech?

Speaker 4 46:06

so mattis actually said the same thing right, so he was being interviewed. I think it was on 60 minutes and I'm not perfectly going to be good on the quote and he was recounting the. But it was a meeting with tribal leaders yeah, but basically you know they they said something about you know, does all this stuff keep you up at night? He goes no, I'm the guy that keeps them up at night. Yeah.

Speaker 4 46:24

I remember that, because we and Mad Dog was a Marine right, this guy was straight up, just like Trump. If you fuck with us, we will wipe you off the mat and I'm not going to feel bad about it, yep.

Speaker 6 46:37

So I agree with you guys as far as like.

Speaker 3 46:42

Trump's foreign policy.

Speaker 6 46:46

Like his with you guys. As far as Trump's foreign policy, his foreign policy he did well. He didn't start any wars. That's the one good thing I can say about Trump.

Speaker 4 46:52

No wars were started while he was even. It doesn't have to be us in it. No other wars in the world broke out when he was there.

Speaker 3 47:03

And first president to step foot in North Korea. But yet it was thrown all over the media that he was there and first president to step foot in North Korea.

Speaker 5 47:05

But yet it was thrown all over the media that he was going to be World War III and he was going to start wars, and blah, blah, blah blah blah, I'll give him the nuclear button. Yeah, the disservice of our biased media. Well, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 47:20

I didn't believe it.

Speaker 5 47:21

It was touted out not that long ago that 85% of the news coverage against Trump was bad it's always negative and 72% of the news coverage of Harris was good. With that swing in bias, he still won with a landslide.

Speaker 4 47:40

Well, that's because it's peer-to-peer, it's TikToks, because people don't listen to that crap anymore. Yeah, absolutely, but there are certain people that still do.

Speaker 7 47:49

Well, because conservatives in general, yeah, but you can pinpoint those people immediately, because any argument they only have one-sided facts. You're like all right, all you've got in your stuff is from TV or the news.

Speaker 4 48:00

But you just get tired of being bombarded.

Debating Immigration Laws and Policies

Speaker 4 48:03

It's like mom, right. So you're living with mom and dad. Mom's always yelling clean up your room, do the dishes, do this, do that, always bitching at you right. And then the second, so you're like whatever, it's just mom being mom, right. Second dad yells. You're like oh, I screwed up, game over. Right, it's game over. So I got tired as a voter since 2016, late 2015, when Trump was running Merck's on Right and constantly getting you're a racist, you're a misogynist, just browbeaten. And I've listened to it now for like 10 years. Hold on.

Speaker 4 48:39

Guess what, I don't care about it no more People saying it to you, conservatives and Republicans in general we're racist, we're misogynist, we're bigots, we're this, we're that. We've been told this stuff for 10 years now.

Speaker 6 48:52

I don't even listen to it.

Speaker 4 48:53

It's like mom saying it anymore.

Speaker 6 48:55

I don't care. I don't believe that the general public are racist. I can tell you this Do you know who Steve Bannon is? Yep Racist.

Speaker 4 49:10

Yeah, there's always going to be people like that out there. Do you know who Stephen Miller is?

Speaker 6 49:14

No, Stephen Miller is Trump's closest confidant Racist, Like he was in his administration Racist. The guy was straight up racist. All of his policies.

Speaker 4 49:29

This separate the children, and all that from their families.

Speaker 4 49:31

That was 100% agree with that 100% agree with that, because if what's his name? Holman, holman, that's going to be the new. The borders are right. He says the same thing in front of Congress, talking to AOC, he said the same thing. He goes well, you're separating families at the border. He goes I get separated as an American. If I have my kid in the car and I get pulled over for drunk driving and I go to jail, am I not separated from my kid? A hundred percent? So why are we allowing people to come over here? So why are we allowing people to come over here? Do you want to put 6-year-old kids or 3-year-old little girls in detention with 55-year-old men or 40-year-old men? No, there's going to be bad shit. That happens. You have to separate those people. It's the same thing why we go to prison. We don't put males with females in prison, because what's going to happen? The males are going to dominate the women.

Speaker 6 50:25

That's why we separate. Right, you have to separate, okay, but you're not. You're separating families.

Speaker 5 50:28

That's the thing. Did you not listen to a word he just said I?

Speaker 6 50:32

did but the law that they broke was coming across the border trying to find a better life.

Speaker 3 50:40

So do it, legally Do it right.

Speaker 4 50:43

So I have a niece that lives in Washington DC. Do it right? No, her husband is from El Salvador, came here illegally, illegally, illegally, had to go back to El Salvador for about a year to come back legally in order to marry her Right Right. So he left and came back.

Speaker 6 51:04

And they applied for the, I'm sure the.

Speaker 4 51:07

So now he's a US citizen.

Speaker 6 51:09

Now he's a US citizen.

Speaker 4 51:10

He's a dual citizen now, but he had to do it right. So why can't these people do it right?

Speaker 6 51:15

So you obviously have never gone through the process my wife and I have of trying to get her legal, so why don't you just fly her over and have her here illegally? Why not? You're saying she's legal. Now I don't know, but why?

Speaker 4 51:31

Why did she have to come here legally?

Speaker 5 51:32

Yeah, why did she have to? You just said, why would she bother doing it?

Speaker 6 51:35

Put her on a little boat and bring her into Miami and she's good.

Speaker 4 51:37

Who said she was here illegally? I didn't say she's here. I said why did you do?

Speaker 3 51:41

it. You said you went through the process.

Speaker 6 51:43

Yeah, we did go through the process, so why can't anyone else you did?

Speaker 4 51:47

it. So you're saying she's here illegally.

Speaker 5 51:49

No, no, no she was here illegally.

Speaker 7 51:53

The problem with the process is it's long and expensive.

Speaker 6 51:56

It's long and expensive, and we're talking about thousands of dollars. Good, why shouldn't it?

Speaker 5 52:03

You go to another country illegally and see what happens to you. No, I agree, They'll take you out back and shoot you right? We don't do that.

Speaker 7 52:09

I think in America, where we pride ourselves on rule of law and everything else, I definitely think there should be a faster way. I mean some of these people coming through the legal way. I mean it's it's 10 year process and thousands and thousands of dollars it shouldn't take that long. This isn't really saying you guys seen the video with the but do I think they should be vetted?

Debating Immigration Policies and Asylum Seekers

Speaker 8 52:31

yes, absolutely you guys seen the video with the gumballs that talks about this yeah so that's a really good video.

Speaker 8 52:38

Yeah, I'll use a quick analogy with it, if you have. I'm gonna change it just a little bit. Like a 55 gallon drum full of gumballs, that's the world of people that want to get into the US and we have like a 5 gallon pail over here. This is the room we have this year for the resources we have available, all that stuff. How do you pick out of the 55 gallon drum what 5 gallons comes across? Pick?

Speaker 6 52:57

all the white ones.

Speaker 3 52:58

There are no white gumballs.

Speaker 8 53:00

I'm just saying. I'm just saying, I'm taking a saying.

Speaker 6 53:04

I'm taking a guess. Remember, Trump said it. Why are we taking people from whole countries? Why can't we get people from Sweden or Norway?

Speaker 4 53:14

Because, here's the thing. Well, no, that's not true, because his wife came from Poland. Shit, it's not Sweden or Norway. But what I'm saying is right. You've got that big 55-gallon drum, and if we're going to bring in people, they need to be productive citizens. We don't need to bring in people to be on the system. We don't need people to be a drain on everybody else we need to bring in. If we're going to bring anybody in, you just okay.

Speaker 6 53:40

That is why, okay, no, no, no, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 4 53:43

I'm going to go up next week and I'm going to go to Hempire and I'm going to say I'm an employee and you better pay me and I'm going to sit around and do whatever the hell I want and if I'm not in your payroll I'll just steal what the hell I want to steal. You can't throw me out, why not? What do you mean?

Speaker 6 54:08

That's what these illeg here, and they're a drain on the welfare system. They're getting free hotels. They're getting free food. New york just had to shut it off. Do you know? Do you know how?

Speaker 5 54:12

how much money um illegal immigrants paid into social security, and all that in 2022 do you know how much drain that they drew off of our system?

Speaker 3 54:19

well, let's, let's, let's get to that.

Speaker 6 54:19

You just bumped that camera those uh, those illegals paid $96 billion in 2022 into our social security system. That's money they're not going to get. Wait a minute.

Speaker 4 54:34

Look up how much New York has given illegal immigrants since they started their food and their hotels. I bet you it's been more than $96 billion because they just shut off their $350 a week in food credit. $350 a week in food credit $350 a week, that's like $1,200 a month in food that would pay for my family of five.

Speaker 4 54:53

I pay $350 a month at my house for me and the boy, not a week. They're getting that a week plus free hotel room, right? So you start adding that up by the $60 or $70 million or whatever it was that was sent up to New York, or thousands $60 or $70 million. Hundreds of thousands that were sent to New York. It was like $50,000 maybe, maybe.

Speaker 3 55:17

But it's $50,000 times $350 per week, times 52 weeks, and that's just food.

Speaker 5 55:24

The problem is, we don't even know the amount of people that have came across, and let's time out for a second and bring it to US citizens.

Speaker 3 55:32

So we're talking about this whole kind of program for illegals, but we've also got our own US citizens who are rigging the system. Oh yeah, right, and so we're not even talking about us, are you?

Speaker 6 55:44

talking about the welfare system? Yeah, I'm talking about you know, does welfare even exist anymore? It sure does, it sure does. I wish my daughter would get on it, god damn.

Speaker 3 55:54

But she's got two kids, one on the way- you know, I just wanted to make that point, just to show that we're not just talking about illegals.

Speaker 1 56:03

here We've got our own people that are having this issue.

Speaker 3 56:08

I'm just saying that the illegals have a potential of compounding the issue. Maybe that's not an issue here in Michigan, maybe that's an issue more so for New York, I don't know.

Speaker 6 56:19

I'm not an expert in this. You know what we should have done Back in the 1900s, when all those ships were sailing into New York Harbor, the harbor of New York, and going to Ellis Island. We should have shot those boats down right in the ocean, sunk them before they even got here. Sound of freedom, that's what we should have done. Why, why let them come here, guys? Sound of freedom, that's what we should have done. Why, why, why, why, why let them come here and be a fucking drain on our system.

Speaker 4 56:50

But you got to remember we didn't have welfare in 1900.

Speaker 6 56:53

That's true.

Speaker 4 56:54

Right. So either you landed on a boat and you made your way you died in the street, which most of them did. There was no falling back on the system.

Speaker 6 57:06

So it was okay to let the Europeans come, but now, once the brown people from the south.

Speaker 3 57:09

It doesn't matter who it is. Hold on a minute. Why are we not building?

Speaker 6 57:12

a wall. Why are we not?

Speaker 4 57:15

building a wall with Canada. Let them come in, and if they come in illegally, they get zero state assistance. They get zero anything. They don't get health care, they don't get schooling, they don't get housing, they don't get food vouchers. They get nothing. They come over just like my ancestors did in the 1800s. They landed in Ellis Island, they signed the document book saying that they were here and they got told where they're going to go live, and it was either feast or famine. Dude, you got a job and you got a house, or you got an apartment or you made your own food. They did what you did. There was zero from the government.

Speaker 3 57:45

You got nothing, and there were times.

Speaker 4 57:47

Other than told where they were going to go. So they landed in Ellis Island, they got six months in New York, or a year and six months in New York, and then they were told they were going to Chicago and they got loaded up on a freight train and they got shipped to Chicago and that's where they had to put roots on. That's it. That's all they got was a train ticket. They got nothing else. The whole year and six months or whatever it was 18 months they were in New York. They had to go get a job just to be fed. They had to rent a freaking house and they had to earn their own way.

Speaker 4 58:16

They didn't have the government saying oh, here's a place for you to live, oh, here's money for food. They got nothing, nothing. Money for food. They got nothing, nothing. And I have no problem If they want to come here illegally. They get absolutely nothing off the system. I don't care if they live in a tent, they live under the bridge or they live in the ditch. That's cool, come on over, make your own way, just like my ancestors did. No, problem.

Speaker 5 58:35

But the problem is the difference back then is they didn't come here because they wanted to rampage and rape and steal and do the violence.

Speaker 4 58:43

They don't all want to do that.

Speaker 5 58:45

But there is that.

Speaker 3 58:47

Because there's no vetting of their background. That's right, that's the whole reason that you're supposed to there's probably not even 10% of the violence to vetting.

Speaker 3 58:59

Correct me if I'm wrong, if anybody knows this, but that's the reason why you go to the port of entry, because if you want to come here and claim asylum, our State Department is going to reach out to that country, is going to do a background check, is going to figure you out and who you are. They're just going to vet you in general before they let you in. It is not an open door.

Speaker 5 59:18

It's not meant to be, but you can't say that that didn't happen, because how many prisons in Venezuela was let loose to come to this country? And that's a fact. Did it.

Speaker 4 59:28

Yeah, they actually let a bunch of prisoners out in order to cut their costs.

Speaker 6 59:34

Cuba did that Castro back in the 80s. Late 70s, early 80s Let them out.

Speaker 4 59:41

Tell them to go north, get out of here. They're not my problem anymore.

Speaker 3 59:44

That was before my time, you old assholes.

Speaker 4 59:47

Plus the way seeking asylum works. They're internationally, by international law. They're doing it wrong. Anyways, If you leave Brazil, you leave whatever.

Speaker 5 59:57

You can't go through another country.

Speaker 4 1:00:00

You have to go to the next country that borders your country that's right In order to claim asylum. You can't travel from.

Speaker 4 1:00:05

Chile, all the way through Brazil, all the way through Central America, all the way through Mexico. To get here, you have to go to the next country to claim asylum. So they're doing it wrong. Well, mexico doesn't want them, so they're giving them a free pass. That's right. Hey, just keep on cruising through here's water. Here's some food. Just keep on going north. Because we don't want to deal with you. Yeah, because they can't afford it either. So they're doing it illegally, even international law. They're doing it illegal all the way around, trying to come here to claim asylum, when we should only be taking Mexican citizens for asylum or Canadian citizens from asylum. We can't take people from any other country because they're going through other countries' borders that are free. So that's always been an issue.

Speaker 5 1:00:55

So they're doing it wrong right out the gate and they're using that oh, it's an asylum and oh, we can't separate the kids. They're trying to pull the heartstrings. Exactly, they're pleading to the heartstrings and making it okay based on oh, if you don't let this happen, you're heartless. Well, it's not about that, it's right, and wrong, oh and to get back to his.

Speaker 6 1:01:18

Well, your definition of right and my definition of right are probably two different things.

Speaker 7 1:01:24

The tough thing about women and children.

Speaker 5 1:01:26

So hold on. You say that. Go back to what Charlie said about him coming to your shop and just taking whatever he wants. You pay him and he's not going to do anything.

Speaker 6 1:01:36

Listen.

Speaker 5 1:01:36

I don't no hold on. Is that right or wrong?

Speaker 6 1:01:41

Is that right or wrong? Well, of course, charlie coming to my shop, and that'd be wrong, yeah.

Speaker 5 1:01:46

So our definition of right or wrong isn't that different.

Speaker 3 1:01:49

The country and Charlie's the illegal immigrant. Here's the thing.

Speaker 5 1:01:53

So that just goes to what you just said, that our definition of right and wrong are different, and you just agreed with me Our definition of that being what him doing would be wrong, right. So our definition of right or wrong is not different.

Speaker 6 1:02:07

If we didn't make things so hard and we let people started letting more people in, they would and not being like but there is a process, but we cannot.

Speaker 5 1:02:20

We can only let so many in a year, because it floods our system and then we're overloaded and we cannot take care of our own essential.

Speaker 6 1:02:28

Right, but let's go back to what Charlie said we don't give them shit.

Speaker 5 1:02:32

But that's not Whether they come legally or illegally, but that's against.

Speaker 6 1:02:36

We don't give them.

Speaker 5 1:02:37

So if you did that, if you did like he said and like it happened in the past, do you know how quick the heartstrings would be slammed on that?

Speaker 4 1:02:46

oh, I'm like you kids starving and dying in the street and we're not doing this it would look like an aspc women and children are used as pawns especially, you know for foreign countries.

Speaker 7 1:02:57

It was no different than when we were in iraq, when they sent women and children with guns to come after them yeah so that's no different than these foreign countries sending these women and children across the border and they get split up. I saw this on TikTok. I don't know, it's tough.

Speaker 4 1:03:13

Anybody that agrees that we should be taking these asylum seekers should open up their houses if they have an extra room or a basement.

Speaker 4 1:03:20

I mean I know there's a place that's got about a 10,000-square-foot basement that I guarantee we could line cots up all day long. I mean I know there's a place that's got about a 10,000-square-foot basement I guarantee we could line cots up all day long. All day long I've been there. I've got the address. So if there's any out there that are on Facebook, listen to this tonight. You let me know as soon as I know that house in Alma, michigan, just north of our capital, is open and ready to take residents. They have a shelter there that you are more than welcome to.

Speaker 5 1:03:48

Free hots and a cot.

Speaker 4 1:03:50

Hots and the cots. They are more than willing to take you in. And if they don't take you in, that just goes to show that they don't agree with you being here, Because if they agreed with you being here, they would be willing to spend their own hard-earned money and spaces to shelter you and take care of you and you can bring your whole family. They will not separate you from your kids. They'll be happy to take you know, eight guys and the 14 kids that come with them.

Speaker 5 1:04:16

They're more than willing to do that If they don't do that shame on them. The funny part of this, though, is when you turn it around and you make it absolutely 100% personal. It kind of changes the subject a little bit.

Speaker 7 1:04:30

But what about? No, no, what about.

Speaker 4 1:04:32

I'm going to get on the horn with Greg Appett down in Texas and I'm going to give him an address for how we're going to get him in. We got men women and children.

Speaker 2 1:04:38

He can sign the whole busload.

Speaker 7 1:04:39

We got men, women and children asylum seekers, you know, coming into this country seeking, you know, shelter, food and whatever. What about our own women?

Speaker 3 1:04:49

men and children and veterans and hungry that we can't even take care of. What asylum?

Speaker 7 1:04:53

We refuse to take care of what are we talking about?

Speaker 4 1:04:56

What is our definition of asylum? So let me say this, though, In the grand scheme of things I've read a lot about homelessness in America, and most of the people that are homeless want to be homeless.

Speaker 5 1:05:08

Choose to be exactly right.

Speaker 4 1:05:09

And part of the reason why is they don't want to be restricted in their day-to-day activities. They don't want to be told by the man to come to work and you know, I've got to worry about a bill and I've got to do this. So a lot of them actually choose to be homeless. That's right.

Speaker 5 1:05:26

I them actually choose to be homeless, because that's right, because they watch the seat. I watched a 60 minute episode on that, the the panhandlers and and they would.

Speaker 5 1:05:29

They would leave the corner from from all day, go around the block, get in their car hold on, guys, we'll get to your comments in a second. They're 250 000 house because they're they're making more than us money cash, money, no taxes, no anything, and and they're living better than we are and we're giving them that money. Yeah, I refuse, I refuse. There's, there's ways to go and avenues. After seeing that episode, it totally changed my thought process.

Speaker 3 1:05:57

So let's go over the comments real quick. Um, millions of americans don't qualify for welfare and they struggle every day, playing devil's advocate. What if you really do need asylum and the process does cost a lot? They don't have it and they just don't get in. There's definitely things that need to be changed in our system as a whole. Agreed. Our entire immigration policy as a whole needs to be changed, agree with that. It does need to be changed. Merck says that he'll stay in the mansion.

Speaker 6 1:06:26

He's already stayed in one of my properties.

Speaker 5 1:06:29

Where's he seeking asylum from?

Speaker 3 1:06:33

Where's that property at hey?

Speaker 4 1:06:35

Merck, you and I can spoon at night, because I'm coming too.

Speaker 6 1:06:39

It's on Crawford Road. If you need a place to stay, which one? Crawford Road?

Speaker 3 1:06:44

Either Big Spoon or the Little Spoon and one Offord Road, I guess Loose Road Either.

Speaker 1 1:06:46

Big Sport or the Little Sport, and then we've got one Bring your golf clubs.

Speaker 3 1:06:48

We've got one that says who cares about illegal immigrants when you've got kids in Flint, michigan, in your backyard with poisoned water living? Section 8 on food stamps and government assistance we can't feed our own people.

Speaker 6 1:06:58

There's another Republican Agreed. Yeah, but here's the thing.

Speaker 3 1:07:01

Who do we focus on? We have a great US aid program. We have great humanitarian programs. We go on deployments for all of this stuff.

Speaker 6 1:07:10

Let's talk about Donald Trump and what he's going to do to fix all of this.

Speaker 3 1:07:14

How about we not talk about that? Because we're not done yet. Hold on, we're still talking. We're still talking.

Speaker 4 1:07:19

I want to address one comment, and this is the reason where you want to talk about the process to become a US citizen is too expensive, right?

Speaker 2 1:07:29

Probably totally agree. I'm sure it is.

Speaker 4 1:07:32

And I could probably get Giovanni on the horn one night to talk about it, because he actually went through the process when he was down there. I was FaceTiming him once a week. I went through the process and for him, when we have these illegal asylum seekers coming here, they're draining the tax dollars to shelter them. So this is the reason why we don't have other resources for Americans that are currently here, that are actually Americans. We don't have the funding for them because we're spending the money on the illegal asylees that are here.

Speaker 5 1:08:02

So what would you suggest that we could do to help fix this issue of illegal immigration?

Asylum Seekers and Economic Policies

Speaker 3 1:08:11

I apologize. I asked him to look up what our definition of asylum even is. I mean, I have a general idea, but what is the United States definition of asylum? What qualifies a person to file for an asylum status?

Speaker 8 1:08:25

The protection granted by a nation to someone who has left their native country as a political refugee.

Speaker 4 1:08:30

Right Political refugee Not. My living conditions are terrible. That means I'm going to be killed by my government for the political affiliation that I have. Right Now. Look up the international law of how to seek asylum, because that's probably somewhere it'll talk about. You have to go to the next country that borders you.

Speaker 8 1:08:53

And I don't know, why do you go?

Speaker 2 1:08:55

shopping, shopping, shopping for a country.

Speaker 4 1:08:57

So, basically like Jill that came from.

Speaker 8 1:09:01

Okay, so a quick, and I'm sure this is through Gemini or one of those. It's a general AI one Gemini.

Speaker 5 1:09:07

What about Virgo or Cancer GPT? No, no, it's an AI. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Speaker 8 1:09:12

It says to seek asylum in the US, you can apply within one year of your last arrival in the US, Unless you show extraordinary circumstances, be physically present, meet the definition of refugee.

Speaker 4 1:09:27

That's not what we're looking for. I'm asking can you travel through more than one country to seek asylum?

Speaker 5 1:09:30

in another, because the international laws.

Speaker 4 1:09:31

You have to go to the next country. That border is yours.

Speaker 5 1:09:33

As long as the next country is friendly, it has to be friendly. So you could potentially go through multiples if where you're traveling to is still not friendly.

Speaker 4 1:09:44

You can't travel through five to get to the one you really want to live in as long as there's, as long as there's a friendly in that five, then that's that's correct.

Speaker 8 1:09:52

As a result, most asylum seekers must apply for asylum whichever of these two countries they land in first yeah, whichever of what two countries, but it has to be.

Speaker 5 1:10:01

Asylum seekers must apply for asylum in whichever, of what two countries.

Speaker 4 1:10:03

Asylum seekers must apply for asylum in whichever of these two countries they land in first.

Speaker 8 1:10:10

I'm going to click on a link so we can get more info on that.

Speaker 5 1:10:13

Two countries, so it has to be a friendly for one.

Speaker 8 1:10:16

It says land, so you can fly over one each other.

Speaker 3 1:10:19

So while you guys are, looking that up, we've got a couple more. So AJ's saying politicians don't fix shit. Flint, Detroit, saginaw are all the same shitholes. They've been under Trump, obama and Biden. President doesn't matter, neither does the party. The ghetto doesn't change, no matter who's in office.

Speaker 6 1:10:34

Tell AJ to shut the fuck up. Go drink some titty milk with his young man.

Speaker 3 1:10:40

You want to read that man Ouch? Oh, you want to read that man Ouch. And then we got agreeing with AJ driving around Saginaw every day. There's nice parts, but the bad is bad, and my answer to that would be where's the investment in those areas?

Speaker 6 1:11:01

I mean, we get into economic policy there, but I can tell you who fucked that up and I'm going to be honest with you Democrats. This free trade and all that bullshit was under Clinton, Clinton, and I remember when NAFTA came along NAFTA. And I remember, as soon as that happened, seeing these cities die off.

Speaker 4 1:11:23

So I'm going to tell a story about Flint.

Speaker 3 1:11:26

Hey, let me make a quick joke. Hey Tech, what's he drinking right here?

Speaker 8 1:11:32

Shut up.

Speaker 6 1:11:34

What is it? Tech Dingo wings.

Speaker 3 1:11:37

Dingo wings. Sorry inside joke. He was helping us with our canteen and House has got line and kugels and he looks at me and he goes is that linen cuddles? I was like because he couldn't read the script on the can.

Speaker 7 1:11:56

By the way, do you guys see they're shutting down. Who is Miller or Coors or whoever their parent company is that bought them is shutting down Really. Line and kugel Wow.

Speaker 3 1:12:05

Oh no, don't tell.

Speaker 2 1:12:06

Tiffany that she loves.

Speaker 3 1:12:07

Summer Shandy.

Speaker 4 1:12:08

Yeah, she had to find something else, so Flint where Flint went wrong was and they've been a Democrat stronghold in that city forever, which typically the big cities are right, and I'm not blaming Democrats on this either. All right, but the way that it worked out was they had big GM plants, right, so they kept relying on GM and their tax dollars to fund everything in the city. So, rather than replacing the water mains, they're building big, beautiful cuts, because that's what gets politicians elected, right.

Speaker 4 1:12:44

What you don't see under the ground doesn't get you elected, but that big shiny park or whatever that people see. That's what gets you elected. So they neglected taking care of an infrastructure that you can't see. And then they kept going after GM for more and more and more. And GM said if you keep coming after us for more, we're going to leave, we'll build a plant somewhere else in Tennessee or whatever. We're going to get the hell right out, because if I'm going to have to pay a billion dollars a year, I'll just build a plant and go somewhere else. It's cheaper for us.

Speaker 4 1:13:19

It was a long investment, and they did it. They started pulling out of Flint Now Flint. It was a long-haul investment, and they did it. They started pulling out of Flint right and then now.

Speaker 1 1:13:28

Flint's losing income tax revenue.

Speaker 4 1:13:28

So then they had to switch their water source. They started getting out of the Great Lakes, out of Huron, rather than from Detroit.

Speaker 5 1:13:35

Well, it's because they didn't pay their bill too.

Speaker 4 1:13:41

Sorry, aj, I was just joking. Did your butt hurt?

Speaker 6 1:13:44

He said I was on Trey's side.

Speaker 4 1:13:50

Fuck him. Snuggled up to mama sucking on the teeth, typing that you got two for a reason.

Speaker 5 1:13:58

One side roll over to the other side. The problem with the Flint water system is when they went to the other source they had to add so much more cleaners and different things to it and it eroded the protective layer of the pipes.

Speaker 4 1:14:09

That's when the lead came in the lead's always been there. I will tell you as we're up here at the AJ Plumbing Sky Lounge any time that you change the molecular structure of your water going through a pipe, it straight up tears the pipe apart. I've been in and this is no joke hospitals and schools, right. And the second that the city drills a new well and it might be 500 feet deeper, right next to the other one or whatever, because they're running right and as soon as that changes there's pits and holes and leaks and stuff. That's incredible Because that molecular structure of the water changes. So the second, they had to switch from Detroit water because they couldn't afford it, to starting getting it out of the Saginaw Bay up by Bay City. They changed that water source and, like you say, if they're not treating it properly, it's going to start eating it, it's going to start eating

Speaker 2 1:15:06

it.

Speaker 4 1:15:07

And that's exactly what happened. And that just comes back to. They kept relying on GM and, rather than fixing the water pipes, they built parks or did whatever else with their money, rather than worrying about their infrastructure.

Speaker 5 1:15:20

Well, they had to pay for them. Illegals.

Speaker 4 1:15:22

You know? No, you know, and it's tragic.

Speaker 6 1:15:26

Them illegals don't even want to go to Flint. It's tragic because that was because that was Vehicle City.

Speaker 5 1:15:34

I mean, Flint was a rich city, it was Detroit.

Speaker 4 1:15:37

That's because they had GM there. They chased them out.

Speaker 6 1:15:40

So I know I just left you guys. Detroit, Flint had all these auto plants Lansing, and why'd they get chased out? Nafta? Then NAFTA had them.

Speaker 4 1:15:49

Well, it even goes earlier than that, NAFTA rather than giving the largest employer a tax break to stay to have? Because it's not just about what GM pays, right You're talking about like these big cities, right? My sister-in-law works for Consumers Energy. She lives in Lansing. They're out of Jackson, right? If she's working from home so many days a week or she's working down in Jackson at Plaza One so many days a week, she pays different city taxes. Those big cities all have a city tax. Not only is it your income tax and all these other things, but it's also citywide taxes.

Speaker 4 1:16:20

So the second GM pulls out of these big cities not only is the GM's money walking out the door, but it's all the employees' money walking out the door and all they're doing is shooting themselves in the foot. So if you have the biggest employer of your city and they say, look man, you guys are killing us, you've got to give us a break. And they basically say the city board or whatever it is mayor's office says, f you Pound sand, pound sand, pound sand, we're going to keep taxing and we're going to raise it. And they say, well, you pound sand, I'm going to build something in Tennessee. Or I'm going to build something in Mexico, I'm going to build something in Canada. You F off? Yeah, because I can get a better deal somewhere else.

Speaker 5 1:16:55

Right, and that's how these cities go down. You just took two-.

Speaker 4 1:17:00

Because now, if it's a Republican and no offense to our conservative right we run businesses, own businesses. I'm going to do where it's friendly for me to do business If I can't make money. I can't put a dispo up in Mount Pleasant, michigan, because I can't make money. There's too much competition. I'm going to go somewhere else, I'll go to Lewis my labor costs are cheaper. My property taxes are cheaper. I'm going to go somewhere else, right?

Speaker 3 1:17:21

You're going to go somewhere else. You're going to do the same thing, you're not going to come down here and struggle.

Speaker 2 1:17:30

You're going to stay in a small market where you're thriving. That's what these guys are doing.

Speaker 3 1:17:34

You're making a good point. I left when you were talking about NAFTA. You old guys can educate a young guy Growing up. I remember some of the Ford plants shutting down. I remember Greenville.

Speaker 4 1:17:48

He says a young guy is at Receiving Airlines about halfway back he's saying he's a young guy. I love that.

Speaker 3 1:17:55

But seriously, what's that?

Speaker 4 1:17:57

factory in Greenville.

Speaker 3 1:17:59

The factory in Greenville. What was that? Hitachi?

Speaker 4 1:18:02

No, no, it was Gibson and Hitachi. No, gibson. And then, turned into Electrolux. I actually have family from Greenville area. I moved from Chicago to Greenville.

Speaker 6 1:18:12

Okay. So I had, it was Electrolux.

Speaker 3 1:18:16

I remember those factories shutting down and I remember asking my mom. Of course she couldn't tell me how do you explain NAFTA to an eight-year-old, so I didn't understand An eight-year-old that was destined for the Navy.

Speaker 6 1:18:31

You know who did a great job.

Speaker 3 1:18:32

You went to the Marine Corps.

Speaker 6 1:18:33

No young shelter man who did a great job explaining that whole. Nafta thing.

Speaker 2 1:18:39

What did that say on your ID card?

Speaker 5 1:18:42

What did that say, michael Moore, on your?

Speaker 2 1:18:43

ID card.

Speaker 5 1:18:43

What did that say?

Speaker 6 1:18:43

Michael Moore On your ID card. I can't remember the name.

Speaker 5 1:18:47

It might have been what your picture was? One of his documentaries? One of his documentaries? Yeah, he does great documentaries.

Speaker 2 1:18:52

He's very liberal.

Speaker 4 1:18:55

Very, very liberal but, he does really good documentaries.

Speaker 3 1:18:59

I like Sicko. Sicko was good. Of course, my background is healthcare, so that's why I liked it. That's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 6 1:19:08

Can you imagine that In Sicko he loaded a bunch of people on a boat In 9-11, first responders loaded them on a boat, took them to Cuba and they got the care that well, probably not everything that they needed, but they got some care in Cuba.

Speaker 3 1:19:29

And you know they weren't fancy hospital rooms or anything like that.

Speaker 4 1:19:32

Yeah, wait to see what happens to our health care system here in about a year. What do you think? What do you mean? They're going to gut it. What's that? What are they gutting? The Trump administration is going to start gutting shit. All this. Every time you go to the doctor, push a pill, push a pill, push a pill. All this bullshit. It's going to end Just like with the Department of Education.

Speaker 3 1:19:54

I want insurance to be completely unfucked. It's terrible.

Speaker 4 1:19:59

I was actually at the doctor's, and I'm not kidding you. I went up and I paid my $20 co-pay. And I'm not kidding you. I went up and I paid my $20 copay and I had a lady walk up right after me to the check-in window. You know, I need your insurance card. Nope, I'm here to pay cash. She says, okay, it's $50, so it means she paid $50 for that visit.

Speaker 3 1:20:16

I paid 20.

Speaker 4 1:20:18

I paid 20 at the window and then I get a bill in the mail for another 110 yeah, it's cheaper to use cash she paid 50.

Speaker 5 1:20:24

yeah, she didn't have insurance, so that means my insurance company and myself are paying extra for that Because of all the bureaucratic bullshit that the government puts on us, and that's what I meant about un-fucking our insurance.

Speaker 3 1:20:36

There really is no place for the middleman anymore.

Speaker 6 1:20:39

You guys are complaining about things that are we have no control over. No, that would be like you consider that communism or socialism.

Speaker 3 1:20:51

Okay, okay, time out, time out.

Speaker 5 1:20:53

We're talking about health care, it is Do you know why there's health care the way it is today. Do you guys understand why? What happened? Yeah?

Speaker 2 1:21:02

Rich people want to get richer. No, it has nothing to do with that After World. Why what?

Speaker 5 1:21:03

happened. Yeah, it's back after. We want to get Richard.

Speaker 4 1:21:04

No, there's nothing to that after one doctor should make more than anybody else after.

Speaker 5 1:21:08

World War two. They kept wages. You could not pay anyone over a certain amount. So employers went in because I want, I want you, so I'm. I can't pay you any more than a certain amount, so I'm gonna give you a more than a certain amount, so I'm going to give you a benefit.

Speaker 5 1:21:28

Who capped wages Government did? You can look it up Government capped wages For who. For everybody, everyone, yes. So private business being private business, I want you because you're better than this guy. I can't pay anybody. That's one benefit benefits. I'm going to give you health care and what happened is they took you paying for your own health care to someone else paying for it. So now you don't give two shits if that five dollar aspirin costs five dollars for an aspirin because your employer is paying for it, or the insurance is paying for it.

Speaker 5 1:22:04

So then then you start adding all the red tape on top where, oh, you can't do that, you've got to give a title. You can't give them a title and all, you have to give them a generic version because we're paying for it, and blah, blah, blah. And then it snowballs into 50 years of this stuff and now it's so bureaucratic red tape that Charlie's paying $400 for a bill that this lady paid 50 bucks for Well, you know what's even crazier Because it's cash instead of.

Speaker 4 1:22:33

Have you ever asked for an itemized bill? Oh, that's always fun From a hospital, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 1:22:40

I've heard stories. One of the stories that I heard was she had. I was going to tell you one. One of the stories that I heard was she had. I'm trying to find it. So the story that I heard was a woman who went in for an emergency C-section. How did all this?

Speaker 4 1:22:55

turn out from the election. Yeah, we drifted way way.

Speaker 3 1:22:59

But that's soup sandwich and that's how our conversations roll.

Speaker 6 1:23:03

I want to finish this conversation. No more conglomeration for trade to finish this conversation, so just finished this story so half hour, yep so yeah, before his curfew, I keep it longer so she goes in for an emergency c-section.

Speaker 3 1:23:18

I do what I want. Emergency c-section, yeah, emergency c-section so she can have a baby. So which is surgery? So, and then they keep her for observation for a couple of days. She gets an itemized bill some point down the line and finds out that they charged her insurance like $100, for a box of alcohol pads to stock her room. With the same box of alcohol pads you could get at Meijer for $3. Yep, that's typical.

Speaker 4 1:23:48

It's like $22. Jen got charged one time for a box of Kleenex.

Speaker 5 1:23:52

Because they're mandated to give that to you, mm-hmm.

Speaker 4 1:23:56

And they have to do it. It's like that stupid thing when you get out of surgery, you got to blow in and the little ball flows.

Speaker 5 1:24:01

We bring Jen's every time that she has a surgery Because they don't get charged for one.

Speaker 4 1:24:05

Because that thing's like 220 bucks. We're like, no, we brought our own, we make sure we tell them when they come in with it from respiratory therapy or wherever the hell it is. We're like, nope, we already got our own. So we check those itemized bills and the stuff that they charge you like $150 for a bag of saline that's literally a dollar in Canada. It's just salt water, right, or $1.50 or $2 or whatever it is they're charging like $150 for that, and that's the thing.

Speaker 5 1:24:31

It's insane, and a lot of times they'll keep you after noon.

Speaker 4 1:24:35

Yes, they can bill you for the next day.

Speaker 5 1:24:37

They can charge you for the whole day. If it's a one, one minute past, then they can charge you for the whole day.

Speaker 4 1:24:42

Yep, that's how long that was. That's why they discharge you between 2 and 4 o'clock.

Speaker 3 1:24:46

Yeah, mm-hmm, yep, and that's why for health care, it's a business.

Speaker 4 1:24:50

They don't have to feed you no more, but they can write you up for the.

Speaker 5 1:24:55

It's not health care, because if it teach you to be healthy, Preventive medicine would be the point it is a business, the way it's set up is to make people sick.

Speaker 6 1:25:06

I would love this part of it.

Speaker 5 1:25:08

They make people sick on purpose so they can make more money off it.

Speaker 4 1:25:10

I don't think they make people sick on purpose. They don't teach you how to be healthy.

Speaker 5 1:25:14

Then why did they start changing the food from 30 years ago to what it is now? What?

Speaker 6 1:25:20

Bill is talking about when he's saying they make people sick on purpose. It's the system. Yeah, for sure it wants to keep people sick.

Speaker 4 1:25:31

The FDA is a sham. Now they're pulling all the cold medicines off the shelf because they've said for the last 30 years they don't actually work, but they want you going into the pharmacy to buy the shit. None of the active ingredients do a damn thing. And here's the thing that really your regular antibodies in your, in your body, that that kill it right, yes, everybody.

Speaker 3 1:25:51

But everybody talks about how everybody who uses like essential oils and stuff are just crackpots. Yeah, but what's the first thing that doctors ask you before they prescribe you a medication?

Speaker 1 1:26:00

Are you taking any?

Speaker 3 1:26:01

natural medicines or anything like that. Why? Because they work. Maybe not to a scientific level, and all that, but you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 1:26:12

They have an effect nonetheless. I can tell you why Because if you're taking this particular supplement, whatever there's interaction, it depends on what they give you, there could be an interaction that fucking kills you.

Speaker 3 1:26:26

That too. I didn't want to get to that level because I didn't think you guys were smart enough.

Speaker 4 1:26:35

Band of the parking lot. You can text in them damn baby guys.

Speaker 5 1:26:41

What the hell.

Speaker 3 1:26:42

I'm just saying I got a bachelor's degree In health administration. Motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 1:26:45

Yeah, you should know this I do, like I said, I didn't think you guys Were smart enough.

Speaker 5 1:26:49

But, you know, Whatever, your wife's a doctor.

Speaker 4 1:26:51

I don't know what kind of doctor. Yeah, she's straight up MD.

Speaker 5 1:26:54

How many, how many Classes did she take On health, like dietary health?

Speaker 6 1:27:03

Man, I should get her on the fucking phone.

Speaker 3 1:27:05

I don't know, probably, but here's the thing she went to school in Poland, so it's probably going to be a better medical school.

Speaker 5 1:27:15

Way probably better, because most doctors have very, very little in dietary health. You know what?

Speaker 6 1:27:24

I agree with you 100%. I don't know and I'm sure my wife would agree with you too about people's diet, their exercise. That's the best fucking message.

Speaker 5 1:27:34

When you go to a doctor, does the doctor ever ask you? What is your daily diet? What do you typically?

Speaker 4 1:27:40

eat. No, they never ask why, why what you eat typically eat, they never why why.

Speaker 5 1:27:42

What you eat is what you are, so that should be the first damn thing.

Speaker 6 1:27:46

What do you eat, Bill? I'm curious because I feel like you can eat whatever the fuck you want.

Speaker 4 1:27:51

How skinny is this guy? I just read an article where it talks about cereal.

Speaker 5 1:27:56

Oh, it's terrible for you.

Speaker 4 1:27:57

In the US we have like 48 ingredients and you go to the Europe version and it's like eight.

Speaker 7 1:28:04

That's why the majority of our foods are banned in the European country Mountain Dew.

Speaker 3 1:28:12

So when I was on my deployment I got used to the overseas Arabic Mountain Dew and it had no high fructose corn syrup in it.

Speaker 1 1:28:19

It was basically we called it Mountain Dew and it had no high fructose corn syrup in it.

Speaker 3 1:28:21

It was basically we called it Mountain Dew Throwback. It had pure cane sugar in it and it was a little different. It didn't have the dyes. It looked different when I came back stateside again and I had my first Mountain Dew out of a gas station and I spit it out and threw it away and I couldn't do it. It took me weeks to be able to drink our Mountain Dew and it took me weeks to be able to drink our Mountain Dew and you were like.

Speaker 6 1:28:43

I'm going to.

Speaker 4 1:28:43

So, I understand what he says. Right, Like our food is what makes us sick. Yeah, Because we allow. The FDA allows so much.

Speaker 3 1:28:50

All these dyes.

Speaker 7 1:28:51

That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 1:28:52

It becomes such a processed ingredient, because look at pictures of people from 1970. Right, and look at people from pictures now.

Speaker 8 1:29:01

Oh, we're an obese nation. Well they're lazy. Now too, they almost get off their ass. Well, it's not so much the laziness as much as.

Speaker 2 1:29:08

Let's go for a run, I bet you, I'll beat you.

Speaker 5 1:29:11

Does that say what they were made out of years ago, like in 1970? I'll drive three miles. What was it made out of?

Speaker 4 1:29:24

Imp Improvise Over debt. That's what we do Now. So let's get back to the election. Let's get back to what you said.

Speaker 6 1:29:30

Hold on, I'm about to give the Trump, the Trump administration, some kudos.

Speaker 5 1:29:37

Some kudos.

Speaker 4 1:29:38

Let me write this down in my diary. You don't need to. It's live so.

Speaker 6 1:29:44

As much as I don't like um robert kennedy, rfk, whatever, yeah his family don't like me, and they're gonna. He's gonna put this guy in charge of the cdc and all that. But there's some truth into what he's speaking, right about the fucking poison that they're pushing in this country. So if he can get that out of our food system, that alone would help tremendously.

Speaker 5 1:30:09

It would be amazing.

Speaker 4 1:30:11

And this is where I'd love to hear your wife's take on it, right yeah, as a medical professional, trained Exactly Right and actually hear what maybe her thoughts are. And I get that this is probably not in her wheelhouse. I don't know what her specialty is or what she went through.

Speaker 6 1:30:26

Family practice. Right, she will speak on this. Is she family practice? She is family medicine, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 1:30:31

So then this might be in her wheelhouse, because that probably is. You know, she's not a surgeon or whatever.

Speaker 1 1:30:35

We're just specializing in something.

Speaker 3 1:30:41

She's more, more general medicine, which would be great to hear what her thoughts are. I absolutely agree with RFK Jr we need to get some of this. We got to get some of this fake stuff out of our. I think the other part of it was just simple economics.

Speaker 7 1:30:57

It's cheaper to do manufactured fake crap that they can make in a lab right and add it to our food, but that goes to the corporate machine like exactly more money it's all connected.

Speaker 4 1:31:09

Now I saw here's the thing. This goes to the American way of everything. You walk into Walmart and you're looking at TVs and there's a 60 inch TV there and a 60 inch TV there. You really can't tell the difference in it. Are you buying the one for $899 or the one for $699? You're too fucking cheap. Right, you're going to buy the $699, even though it's in Sparra, rather than getting the Samsung you're like who the hell's in Sparra?

Speaker 5 1:31:36

well, whatever, you don't give a shit because it's $699 the only difference in that, though, is a lot of times. For me personally is, let's say, I'm looking at the two TVs. Not that you're going to buy, probably, an American TV, but if that $899 was made in America and the $699, I may pony up the extra money because I know it's coming back to us. Can I also?

Speaker 3 1:32:02

throw something out there, I try. You want to talk about a storefront that would be really successful, building the entire storefront and everything in it. It doesn't matter what it is, you're a standard mire. But change the model to where everything in that store, from wall to wall, is made in America. You want to know how fast that would make you a billionaire, guaranteed the problem is.

Speaker 5 1:32:30

It's getting harder and harder.

Speaker 4 1:32:32

Yeah, the problem is you'd have about four items inside the store.

Speaker 1 1:32:37

Nothing's made in.

Speaker 4 1:32:37

America anymore, and your prices would be astronomical. I can't even buy a GM product Toyota is more made in the United States out of all the materials in it than Florida Talking about foreign economic policy though Trump?

Speaker 3 1:32:58

was talking about this during some speech at some point and he was saying if you're going to import something from another country that we have the ability to make here and I think the example he used was a car he's going to put 100% tariff on it John Deere.

Speaker 7 1:33:17

What was it, John Deere? The main target for that was John Deere. Oh, okay.

Speaker 6 1:33:20

What about the components, john?

Speaker 8 1:33:21

Deere. The main target for that was John Deere. Oh, okay, okay, but there's a.

Speaker 6 1:33:22

Mexican thing going on. What about the components in that car?

Speaker 4 1:33:25

Yeah, that's fine, it's assembled here, but it's not made. It might be assembled here, yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 1:33:30

Most Toyotas are assembled here but not made here, and that's fine. I'm not saying that everything like the steel and everything down needs to be.

Speaker 6 1:33:37

But the thing is, a Toyota is more American-made than a Ford or a Chevy or a GM or a.

Speaker 3 1:33:43

Cadillac, and that's the point. Ford is born and raised here. Gm is born and raised here. It should be here.

Speaker 7 1:33:54

Well, that's my thing, you get the greed and the bottom dollar. It's cheaper to send it elsewhere.

Speaker 6 1:33:59

And I only drive.

Speaker 3 1:34:01

I think that's what he elsewhere, and I only drive American cars Same here and I do that, for a reason, it's not purpose. And I think that's what Trump was saying. We were just talking about it with NASA. We've got all these empty Ford factories and at this point they probably need to be updated or whatever. But you know, open those things back up.

Speaker 5 1:34:21

A lot of that started after World War II when we bombed Japan, because we rebuilt Japan and we gave them the best of the best of the best and we kept our old stuff. And then they took their technology with what we helped them to do and used their culture.

Speaker 5 1:34:39

Because if you read the book Toyota Way, they have a different system and there's a movie on that that came out in the 80's that talked about this very thing there was a series movie on Netflix but this is a movie that they talked about and they came in and they showed how the Toyota built their cars and this assembly plant and they started building their cars that way and Ford and GM and Chrysler and all these other companies started using Toyota's model and Toyota's way. That's why Toyota went to the number one car company, because they used better systems and better ways, because they used better systems in better ways. And now we use those implementations in those ways where we kind of got high on our morals and whatever, because we had the best of the best until we got our asses kicked.

Speaker 3 1:35:33

And I'm not saying that we've got to be the grand poobah of everything in the world. Yes, we do. We're fucking American, I agree. I agree. Poobah of everything in the world? Yes, we do, we're fucking Americans.

Speaker 6 1:35:41

I agree, that's the fucking shit that pisses me off about, and I'm talking about Democrats, republicans, all of them. We should be doing everything, so you agree with the slogan?

Speaker 4 1:35:54

Make America Great Again. No. You just said it, you just literally said we need to be the best at everything.

Speaker 5 1:36:00

Best at everything.

Speaker 6 1:36:02

That's why we're making America great again. When was America great Tuesday?

Speaker 4 1:36:08

Motherfucking Tuesday night. Actually it was Wednesday morning about 2 o'clock when they called Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 1:36:14

Donald Trump said America's a shithole, it's a fucking third world country.

Speaker 4 1:36:20

What he said is they're sending their trash to us like we're fucking third world country. That's what he said. No, no, no. What he said is they're sending their trash to us like we're a third world country. That's not good semantics.

Speaker 5 1:36:27

See once again you're taking something completely out of context and twisting it.

Speaker 4 1:36:31

The world is treating us like a third world country.

Speaker 6 1:36:33

That's the whole fake news mantra right there, you just did a perfect example.

Speaker 4 1:36:38

No, we're all not trash he said the world is sending their trash to us. Like we're a terrible country.

Speaker 6 1:36:45

Yes, Do we got any video of Trump calling up the?

Speaker 4 1:36:48

Yes, and then you get Joe Biden on there saying that we're garbage.

Speaker 6 1:36:53

He said Trump supporters are garbage. Yeah, he did Exactly Once again, stereotyping every person. Here's the thing and what I think Joe Biden meant.

Speaker 4 1:37:04

No, it doesn't matter what he meant, it's what he said.

Speaker 6 1:37:07

He's a fucking feeble old man. What do you mean?

Speaker 8 1:37:11

The quote that they have in here is we're like a garbage can for the rest of the world to dump the people that they don't want. To dump the people that they don't want.

Speaker 4 1:37:17

Right. The world is treating, so they're treating us Right. The world is the world is treating us like they're dumping ground. That's the problem. They're dumping all their trash in. America, and that's why we need to, not let's not get facts in the way of a good story.

Speaker 7 1:37:36

So I got a question.

Speaker 6 1:37:37

Yes, yep.

Debating National Popular Vote Compact

Speaker 7 1:37:39

He's touching your shoulder. As the news is progressing, it's coming out more that the Democrats' new move now is to get Biden to resign so Kamala can step up and still become the first black woman president, but she's not black. She's not black.

Speaker 6 1:38:00

What the fuck is she? Neither here nor there.

Speaker 5 1:38:02

She's Indian.

Speaker 4 1:38:04

What do you think of that? Depends on what the polls say next week.

Speaker 6 1:38:06

We'll find out. She went to Howard University. She's in the fucking state. Wasn't her dad Indian? Her dad was black.

Speaker 2 1:38:16

Her mother was.

Speaker 6 1:38:17

Indian.

Speaker 4 1:38:17

Look up.

Speaker 7 1:38:17

Elizabeth Warren, but what do you think of that? She called herself a Native American. Yeah, she was.

Speaker 5 1:38:24

You probably have more Native Indian in your ancestry than she does Wait hold up.

Speaker 3 1:38:29

We're having five different things and I can hear everything at the same time.

Speaker 6 1:38:33

I know we're going to slow down. Roy is asking a question.

Speaker 7 1:38:35

So right now it's being pushed news media.

Speaker 6 1:38:39

I think, that's bullshit.

Speaker 5 1:38:40

You think bullshit's bullshit no so I even heard that this morning there is a, there is a one of her staff or a senator or someone that suggested it. So it has been suggested by nobody.

Speaker 7 1:38:57

I've seen that a lot of top Democrats are pushing for it by nobody.

Speaker 3 1:39:00

So okay. So let's go to the next thing, because this is a real deal thing and it just hit on Facebook. Have you guys heard?

Speaker 6 1:39:10

and I want to get your, because everything on.

Speaker 5 1:39:14

Facebook is true. No, seriously. Everything on the internet is true?

Speaker 3 1:39:16

No, no, no seriously, it really is just coming down. So they are saying that the have you heard of the national how do they call it? The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact? Have you heard about that?

Speaker 5 1:39:32

yet? Yeah, I've heard of that. Okay, national, what?

Speaker 3 1:39:35

National. It's like I don't know what it's called Interstate Compact for the National Popular Vote or some shit like that. So, anyway, google it. It basically says they're going to hijack the Electoral College by getting a number of states with their electoral votes that add up to the 270. They're going to all come together and agree that the National Popular Vote is how those states are going to allocate their electoral votes, and so it's basically. So, basically, you're going to allocate their electoral votes.

Speaker 4 1:40:04

And so it's basically. So, basically, you're going to take the surplus from California and give it to Iowa to get their electoral college votes.

Speaker 3 1:40:12

No. So whatever the national popular vote ends up being, this interstate compact and whatever states agree to it, are going to allot all of their votes to whoever wins the national popular vote. Okay, they're going to try and stack.

Speaker 6 1:40:27

Okay.

Speaker 3 1:40:30

Listen, listen. In this lame duck session it was pull up Facebook. I saw it on MCRGO. I think it was MCRGO, I think it was, and it was. In this lame duck session. Before the Republicans take over in the Michigan legislature, they're going to push through the bill to authorize Michigan to join this interstate compact.

Speaker 4 1:40:54

That'll straight go to the Supreme Court and get shot down.

Speaker 3 1:40:57

But they're saying it won't because the Electoral College is still going to allot those votes. So it's in compliance with the.

Speaker 5 1:41:07

I literally just Okay, let's say that happens. So it kind of goes back to the whole gerrymandering situation. Bingo.

Speaker 6 1:41:14

Let's say that happens. Who would be president right now? Trump.

Speaker 4 1:41:18

Trump would still be president Because he still has time to vote.

Speaker 3 1:41:21

Trump trounced, I don't care about who he fucking killed. He did.

Speaker 6 1:41:26

By 7 million, and I don't care who it is, it's not 7 million.

Speaker 3 1:41:30

His popular vote was 7 million in favor of.

Speaker 4 1:41:32

Trump. There's still counting votes bro.

Speaker 3 1:41:34

Well, I know. So it might be more. Whatever, it's less, it's way less.

Speaker 4 1:41:37

I bet you he's about 2 million ahead of her.

Speaker 3 1:41:42

I heard he was 7.

Speaker 5 1:41:43

The last I think I looked was 4 million here you go.

Speaker 4 1:41:47

This is the updated right now. Kamala Harris has 72.1 million votes. Trump has 75.3.

Speaker 3 1:41:55

Oh, so I don't know where I got the 7.

Speaker 4 1:41:57

It's like almost 3 million.

Speaker 2 1:42:01

Yeah, he's only beaten her by a few million Because California, nevada.

Speaker 4 1:42:04

A bunch of others are still coming in. They're not going to have enough to take those scholarships. But at this point in time none of that matters.

Speaker 5 1:42:12

It's a moot point, because she conceded and he's already won with the Electoral College.

Speaker 3 1:42:17

So the point that I'm trying to make left or right Harris Trump Biden it doesn't matter the point I'm trying to make is our founding fathers came up with the system of the electoral college for a reason they wanted to make sure that the most populous states were not going to overrun everybody else. They always called it the tyranny of the majority. So if you look at I believe it's the top 12 most populous cities would be enough to which we actually had this conversation earlier New York State, California or even New York, and LA and there's a couple handfuls of others, huge cities.

Speaker 4 1:43:03

That's all that needs to vote every year.

Speaker 3 1:43:04

Can I borrow your phone for a second?

Speaker 4 1:43:06

That's all that needs to vote every year Other than that just don't go in my browser history.

Speaker 2 1:43:13

Perfect example.

Speaker 8 1:43:14

Perfect example Maybe I do want to go there, you're more than welcome to Look at how large Michigan is as a state and Detroit runs this whole state.

Speaker 5 1:43:24

Yeah, basically, Because of the majority of the votes are in.

Speaker 4 1:43:28

I would actually like to see each state have their own electoral college.

Speaker 1 1:43:32

In its own, Because yeah.

Speaker 4 1:43:34

I mean and Detroit could be 50, right, but each other county should be accounted for because we're all supposed to be one. So now you have this minority that has the majority, telling us what to do.

Speaker 5 1:43:51

And your vote doesn't count now because you're in Gratiot County, because if you look at the red versus blue on the whole scale of the state and it's just tiny little dots of blue and everything else is red, but it goes by concentrated areas.

Speaker 6 1:44:08

For sure. Well, you're looking at landmass versus.

Speaker 5 1:44:13

Yes, that's what.

Speaker 2 1:44:13

I'm saying Landmass versus.

Speaker 4 1:44:15

But you're also doing that when you do the electoral college throughout the country. Iowa still counts for something, so let's use the country. Iowa still counts for something. Michigan still counts for something. Massachusetts counts for something. So you're saying take the national electoral college and implement it in each state. Exactly Right so then that state votes right in People that live in the UP, they still get a say. Right now they don't really get a say Because no offense people in Detroit a say Unless they're in Marquette.

Speaker 4 1:44:43

Right now they don't really get a say Unless they're in Marquette, because no offense people in.

Speaker 3 1:44:46

Detroit. Don't know what people up in Traverse City do, so let's use an example, okay. So I mean gun control is always a huge thing In the most bluer cities you open.

Speaker 5 1:44:54

Wait a minute. I want to understand something. Is gun control where you hold the gun with two hands, or just?

Speaker 3 1:45:00

You hold it sideways, gun control sideways.

Speaker 4 1:45:04

Sideways it's called a gap.

Speaker 3 1:45:06

Okay, fair enough. But in the bluer, more populous cities, typically gun control is the name of the game. So in this hypothetical scenario, all right, the 12 most populous cities are probably going to put down a rule on gun control that's going to apply nationwide and in the most reddest like look at Oklahoma, if you look at the for this past Tuesday, if you look at Oklahoma every single one of their counties voted red. Every single one, not a single one voted blue and so then, the gun control laws.

Speaker 5 1:45:39

Let's see if you're right. I got Oklahoma right there. Man, I tell you what damn. Look at that look at that, every single one, you know so that's my example, that little dot these gun control laws are going to apply to an entirely red state. No, that's not here. No, that's just a. If you look at here, look at, let's go minnesota.

Speaker 4 1:45:56

Well, look at how much red is new mexico, or whatever my, my, my whole thing is, but look at how much red is in there. That's New Mexico, or whatever.

Speaker 5 1:46:02

My whole thing is, but look at how much red is in there.

Debating Electoral College and White Supremacy

Speaker 3 1:46:04

One thing real quick, just to get it on the recording. Michigan House Bill 4156 is the one I was talking about, about the interstate compact for the national popular vote, so you can.

Speaker 1 1:46:15

Google that House.

Speaker 3 1:46:16

Bill 4156. Holy shit.

Speaker 4 1:46:21

But the electoral college is set in the Constitution. Yeah, so what you can do is be more restrictive or you can be more restrictive, you can't be less restrictive. So, if it says that this is the way the votes go, you can't change that, but that's the thing.

Speaker 3 1:46:37

So what they're?

Speaker 1 1:46:38

saying is with this interstate compact.

Speaker 3 1:46:42

The Constitution stipulates that each state can choose on its own free will to determine how it does its, but the electors are made up of the party that won.

Speaker 4 1:46:55

So each state comes up with electors for those 19 votes for Michigan. They're not made up of all Democrats. They're not made up, they're Republican electors Typically vote down there.

Speaker 3 1:47:10

In this case, of the most recent.

Speaker 4 1:47:13

It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 3 1:47:16

I guess the point I'm trying to make and maybe I'm thinking about it wrong. I don't know. Typically Detroit, except for this past week. Detroit always votes blue and it's the most populous in the state, so it usually goes that way.

Speaker 6 1:47:33

Look at the current population of Detroit. It's not that much Detroit proper. I don't mean Detroit proper, I mean the counties I'm talking.

Speaker 3 1:47:42

Macomb, washtenaw Wayne.

Speaker 6 1:47:47

I'm talking about them in general 639,000. You know Detroit used to have.

Speaker 3 1:47:52

Do the population of Detroit Do you?

Speaker 5 1:47:54

know, during World War II era, the two richest cities in America was Detroit and Los Angeles.

Speaker 8 1:48:05

Detroit was.

Speaker 3 1:48:07

There you go, so Metro Detroit's got 3.7 million people, so they will carry it.

Speaker 4 1:48:13

We just got fact-checked from Reuters. Uh-oh, reuters. Yep, kamala Harris' birth certificate is not of Asian American or black Jamaican heritage. That's what I said she's not black, let me see what is it? That's the snippet from Reuters.

Speaker 5 1:48:33

I thought her dad was she's not Asian or black. I thought her dad was from India well, he was from Jamaica, but that doesn't mean he's Jamaican.

Speaker 6 1:48:43

Okay, his race is Almost 4 million. This is race as.

Speaker 4 1:48:46

Jamaican. What are Jamaican people? What's it say, not black Jamaican.

Speaker 6 1:48:50

I was going to say no, it doesn't say that, don't make sense. Her father's birthplace is listed as Jamaican and his race as Jamaican. Jamaican Does not include when are you looking at that? Oh, at the top, the very top.

Speaker 4 1:49:09

I was just reading the. The presidential candidate is not right here. The presidential candidate is not of Asian American or black Jamaican. What is this? That's Reuters it. That's from Reuters. It's a screenshot from Reuters.

Speaker 6 1:49:25

Harris, however, has both black Jamaican and Indian. But it says Harris, however has both black, jamaican. But who the?

Speaker 4 1:49:33

fuck cares we were just talking about. We're not racist or misogynist. It's not about a female candidate. What did you see her as? What does most of America see her as? Or misogynist. It's not about a female candidate. It's not about?

Speaker 6 1:49:41

what did you see her and what does most of?

Speaker 4 1:49:43

America. See her as ours, an American.

Speaker 5 1:49:46

What American?

Speaker 4 1:49:47

a fucking American. I don't give a fuck what color your skin.

Speaker 6 1:49:53

Leave. I believe you when you say that first.

Speaker 4 1:49:56

I believe I don't I don't, I don't give a shit if you're brown, yellow, fucking green.

Speaker 3 1:50:00

Let me, let me show you the fuck. I've never seen a yellow, because I hate to say I don't walk a shit if you're brown, yellow, fucking green, black, whatever the fuck. I've never seen a yellow man, because I hate to say it, I don't walk around saying I'm.

Speaker 7 1:50:05

Irish American.

Speaker 4 1:50:07

I hate the term African American. Be honest with you I straight up hate it.

Speaker 6 1:50:11

I don't really, I hate it.

Speaker 2 1:50:13

You're not African American. You weren't born in Africa and then became an American.

Speaker 4 1:50:18

Your mom or your dad or your probably grandfather or grandmother probably weren't. You're going back so many generations.

Speaker 6 1:50:24

I can go back to the 1700s on my black side in America.

Speaker 3 1:50:29

They were slaves On your black side. You are racially ambiguous.

Speaker 6 1:50:34

My Italian side. They came in the 1920s.

Speaker 5 1:50:39

What color is Italian?

Speaker 6 1:50:41

They're racially ambiguous.

Speaker 3 1:50:44

What podcast episode did we get after him for being racially ambiguous? I said that.

Speaker 2 1:50:49

That's when he came in looking like the Taliban.

Speaker 4 1:50:51

That one time Like a goddamn haji, walking through the door, you're all like drawing down on him.

Speaker 5 1:51:02

What the heck Diary of Anne Frank. So what? What is this proving?

Speaker 2 1:51:15

This was in.

Speaker 7 1:51:21

So what? What is this? So this was in Nazi flag outside the American.

Speaker 3 1:51:23

Legion where the play was being performed. So what? Individuals using masks to hide their racist family-waving Nazi flags but also reportedly shouting racist slurs, according to some government statements that vacated the premises of the. Legion. So what's the point? They're exercising the right to protest.

Speaker 6 1:51:37

Okay, yes, they're shit stains, but I believe that Donald Trump's the election of Donald Trump has emboldened people like this to do shit like that, so what he's not associated with them, and vice versa.

Speaker 5 1:51:56

Hold on, hold on. What was that? So there's.

Speaker 3 1:52:02

At an American Legion. I did hear about this. At an American Legion, there was a play.

Speaker 6 1:52:08

The Dire of Anne Frank.

Speaker 3 1:52:09

Livingston County, Michigan, and the Dire of Anne Frank as you know, was about the Holocaust, so outside of this, a group started waving Nazi flags and stuff.

Speaker 5 1:52:20

So they're pathetic pieces of shit individuals.

Speaker 6 1:52:25

Who do you think they voted for?

Speaker 3 1:52:28

Does it matter so?

Speaker 5 1:52:32

once again yes, it does matter. Who do you?

Speaker 6 1:52:34

think they voted for. I don't care who they voted for. It matters to me in 72., how many people voted for Kamala Harris?

Speaker 5 1:52:41

72 million other Americans, 72 million versus 72 million. You want a?

Speaker 6 1:52:45

utopia where everybody's nice to each other, so you're taking one small snippet of five people out of 72 million. Hold on, hold on, let's do one at a time, because we've got to get this on. So, anyways, bill go ahead.

Speaker 5 1:53:02

You're taking two or three people out of 72 million.

Speaker 6 1:53:07

Uh-huh, no, no, no, the 72 million was that vote for Kyle O'Neal.

Speaker 3 1:53:11

He's saying the vote emboldened those people to decide to do what they wanted to do.

Speaker 6 1:53:17

There's also. Hold on, you know who Nick Fuentes is. Yeah, he's Virginia. Hold on, you know who?

Speaker 3 1:53:22

Nick Fuentes is yeah, he's Virginia, right.

Speaker 6 1:53:25

I don't think so. I think that's a different guy, richard, something or another.

Speaker 5 1:53:30

I'm just trying to understand where your thought process is coming from.

Speaker 3 1:53:33

I'm pretty sure he's from.

Speaker 6 1:53:34

Virginia. So who do you think those people voted for? Kamala Harris? Do you think they voted for Kamala Harris?

Speaker 5 1:53:40

I don't know what the context of what this is all about.

Speaker 6 1:53:44

I'm going to get to that. I will get to that.

Speaker 5 1:53:46

I'm seeing swastikas which predates, which people don't realize.

Speaker 3 1:53:52

Predates the Nazis by thousands of years.

Speaker 5 1:53:55

Who is Nick Fuentes? I'm going to tell you.

Speaker 6 1:53:56

I'm going to get to it One second. I'm going to tell you I'm going to get to it One second.

Speaker 3 1:54:03

So I'm trying to understand what American Ask him if that's the guy, because that's his picture, right? Is that the guy you're talking about?

Speaker 6 1:54:09

Yeah, that is Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 8 1:54:11

He's a far-right political pundit and livestreamer who promotes white supremacist, misogynistic and anti-Semitic views.

Speaker 3 1:54:17

Okay, do me a favor. So here's the thing. Okay, now hold on, hold, on hold on.

Speaker 9 1:54:20

Far right, far right and I've never heard of this guy. Okay, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 6 1:54:24

Hold on. Who did Nick Fuentes have dinner with? Type in Nick Fuentes dinner.

Speaker 5 1:54:32

Well, I guarantee it's going to be Trump. That's all right, you're proving your point for that.

Speaker 7 1:54:37

Okay, sure, but we can flip the switch.

Speaker 6 1:54:40

Would you have dinner with a white supremacist? Would you, knowingly, knowingly, that this person is a fucking white supremacist, would you have dinner with him?

Speaker 8 1:54:51

If I think I can get valuable information out of him to save some people, I bet your ass. I would.

Speaker 5 1:54:55

Yeah, just like.

Speaker 6 1:54:56

I would want to fucking dumbass his island to get some people to watch it. What does it say? Nick Fuentes dinner.

Speaker 7 1:55:03

Well, ye, ye, but we can flip the switch to the extreme and Kanye West.

Speaker 6 1:55:09

Kanye West and Nick Fuentes both went and had dinner with Donald.

Speaker 7 1:55:14

Trump, so what?

Speaker 6 1:55:15

about.

Speaker 5 1:55:17

Far right, why would? Donald Trump the ex-president of the United.

Speaker 6 1:55:22

States.

Speaker 5 1:55:23

Can you look up something, joe, for me please? Can you look up what is the percentage of white supremacists in America?

Speaker 7 1:55:29

But outside where I'm going, as you flip to the far left, what about AMC? And you see, you can go on Twitter and TikTok and all these videos, especially since the election, and these not happy people. But you got the LGTBQ extreme left sitting there and they're calling white men in America domestic terrorists and that we're horrible, disgusting people.

Speaker 5 1:55:59

That's not okay, Well you're talking extreme polar opposites.

Speaker 3 1:56:06

Right, it's on both sides.

Speaker 5 1:56:07

Way out of fringes.

Speaker 3 1:56:08

It's not the normal all-American people. You're saying that Trump's victory emboldened them to go out and protest.

Speaker 6 1:56:17

Yes, I do think that.

Speaker 5 1:56:20

But the thing of it is it's not illegal to protest. No, I know that that is 100% American and in our DNA.

Speaker 6 1:56:31

So you agreed with the Black Lives Matter protest.

Speaker 5 1:56:36

Did I agree with the Black Lives Matter protest? You agreed with that. No, I did not Fuck how, why, why would you not agree with that? No, I did not. Oh, what the fuck, how why?

Speaker 6 1:56:42

Why would you not agree with that? That was such an.

Speaker 3 1:56:44

American idea. You want to know why I didn't agree with that. Please tell me.

Speaker 5 1:56:48

Because it was based on a false premise. Okay, okay, you want to go. All right, you want to go black.

Speaker 6 1:56:56

So a white cop puts his knee on a black man's neck, chokes him to death.

Speaker 3 1:57:00

That dude deserves to go to prison. How does?

Speaker 2 1:57:03

that have anything to do with.

Speaker 5 1:57:04

Black.

Speaker 3 1:57:05

Lives.

Candace Owens and Black Community Debate

Speaker 4 1:57:05

Matter, that's what sparked the whole thing, I'm walking back in here.

Speaker 5 1:57:09

So the person that started Black Lives Matter Look them up.

Speaker 6 1:57:14

I love you.

Speaker 5 1:57:14

Oh yeah she's a piece of shit, oh, but she started it. She was the founder of the Black Lives Matters protest. So wait a minute, Now hold on.

Speaker 6 1:57:24

Listen, everybody's a fucking grifter nowadays. Go to what?

Speaker 5 1:57:28

Candace Owens said about the Black Lives Matters protest oh fuck her, listen.

Speaker 6 1:57:34

Okay, back to black people. Wow, black people that voted. She is black. Listen back to Candace Owens is black back to black people that voted for Trump and support Trump.

Speaker 4 1:57:45

Ok let's bring the tone down.

Speaker 6 1:57:49

Seems like we're getting a little excited about it listen, I don't get angry about this kind of shit.

Speaker 5 1:57:58

I'm not angry at all exactly.

Speaker 2 1:58:00

I just want to make sure I walked back in and I was like holy shit it's like that's got a bar. You said we're going back to black, but we were just talking about neo-nazis.

Speaker 5 1:58:11

I know, but we're going to get back to that hopefully listen, you know what I think we need to play ACDC you're 7 minutes past your curfew, just so you know, I'm good, I'm good, let him talk.

Speaker 6 1:58:26

So, if you look back, even during slavery times, right?

Speaker 3 1:58:31

I wasn't around. I'm not in.

Speaker 6 1:58:33

But the history is clear on this. There were black people that owned slaves. I was going to say something. I'm totally in agreement. There were black people that own slaves. There were black people that own slaves, right For sure. There were black people that also. Malcolm X talked about this. He was like the house negro versus the field negro. The house negro lived better than the man.

Speaker 5 1:58:57

Well there's differences of opinion in that as well.

Speaker 3 1:59:01

We're talking about Sam Jackson here because exactly the ones in the house.

Speaker 5 1:59:09

I just read something on this just the other day that there's contradictions to that that say no, the house people didn't, the house slaves didn't have it better than those out in the field. So there's, so don't say that they absolutely did because the women were raped. The women were you know and they could not get away at all, but out in the field.

Speaker 1 1:59:38

I love you had a chance to get away.

Speaker 6 1:59:41

I don't look at this, all right so I'm saying. What I'm saying is, throughout history there have been black people that were what we call sellouts, sellouts, uncle Tom, uncle Tom, there you go, yeah. So Eminem said it did he, yeah, he did Watch 8 Mile. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, who's M&M? It's Thomas. And even today, even today, we have Uncle Tom's and Sellouts Candace Owens being one of them. Well, let's get back have you listened to me.

Speaker 7 2:00:21

Have you really listened to her? I?

Speaker 6 2:00:22

have. I have Like a lot, a lot.

Speaker 7 2:00:25

And again, do you think?

Speaker 5 2:00:26

though she says a lot more than just that. She's a sellout because she's big time in favor of changing the mindset.

Speaker 6 2:00:34

The culture, just the culture, no but.

Speaker 5 2:00:36

How things really are versus what is being taught and told as to how they really are.

Speaker 7 2:00:42

She's probably right, this election far more than race black, white, green, yellow, whatever had more to do with the economy and the financial situations involved. It did For sure. That's what drew crowds across the line.

Speaker 3 2:01:02

So are you? Hold on back up. We've got a question. How is she a sellout? Is it because she's black and conservative?

Speaker 6 2:01:10

Yeah, pretty much. I mean not black and conservative, because, listen, I would vote conservative.

Speaker 5 2:01:16

I think she's done more for the black community than a lot of others In my opinion.

Speaker 2 2:01:22

This is what I'm going to say.

Speaker 4 2:01:24

I follow her, I listen to her a lot, I respect her opinions and I respect her thoughts. She's extremely educated, very knowledgeable in a lot of things and what I think she does, and we have it in the white race, we have it in the brown race. This applies to everything. She holds everybody accountable. The white race we have it, the brown race.

Speaker 5 2:01:42

this applies to everything the human race.

Speaker 4 2:01:43

She holds everybody accountable, and one of the reasons why she doesn't like the welfare system is it incentivizes single women with kids. Yep, she says, which I agree with. When you get paid more in a welfare program or anything if you're a single mother, right, it incentivizes women to have kids out of wedlock, because it's that paycheck from the government right Every time I have a kid. It's another $800 a month.

Speaker 6 2:02:18

And if I have one or whatever, it's pretty astronomical.

Speaker 4 2:02:22

So per kid you get paid. So they consistently have kids out of wedlock? They do, and she'll even say this is what's breaking up the black families.

Speaker 5 2:02:32

So if you go back to 1970, one of the things she says if you go back to 1970, the average black family was 80% married. You know what it is now.

Speaker 4 2:02:45

It's like 8% or 18% or something. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy low.

Speaker 5 2:02:49

And she's saying this is the lies that we've been taught and being told as a people, Because the welfare system promotes being a single mother rather than it is a family unit.

Speaker 8 2:03:03

That's the thing. You can't afford them.

Speaker 4 2:03:05

No, I mean.

Speaker 8 2:03:06

You can't figure out how to get up there and do the job.

Speaker 4 2:03:09

So my recommendation to you is re-listen to what she says and use it as a thing. I've got 18 years of assistance. Listen with an open mind. I do. I do, I do Every two or three years.

Speaker 3 2:03:20

Whoa, whoa, whoa, great conversations. Children become pawn of the system At that point those children are just a financial game.

Speaker 7 2:03:26

You're not truly listening to what she's saying. She's trying to fix a problem and help people and educate people on how to fix this problem and how the government has stepped in and screwed the people and are continuing to do this.

Speaker 6 2:03:42

Bill is dropping some jewels, as we say. He's dropping some knowledge, I mean.

Speaker 5 2:03:51

I don't agree with 100% of anything.

Speaker 4 2:03:52

anyone says it's like Trey, I don't believe nothing.

Speaker 5 2:03:57

he says she has a good voice, she knows how to speak and articulates what she's trying to say in a manner that you can't refute what she's saying because it's based on a lot of knowledge and a lot of studies and a lot of facts that she's learned you know, but the thing about Candace Owens.

Speaker 6 2:04:24

Do you guys know who Benedict Arnold is?

Speaker 3 2:04:27

Of course.

Speaker 6 2:04:28

Traitor. Nobody likes a Benedict Arnold Fuck that guy. Nobody, wasn't he like our first traitor too? And I'm telling you this from a black man's perspective, right, and I know I'm telling you this from a black man's perspective, right, and I know I'm racially ambiguous. Did you hear that?

Speaker 4 2:04:47

I know I'm racially ambiguous. You're black. I'm surprised you didn't walk in with a turban on your head.

Speaker 3 2:04:51

Are you sure you're not Greek? You look Greek to me, are you not from Greece? So my mother's Italian.

Speaker 5 2:04:57

What color is Italian?

Speaker 4 2:04:59

I actually love your mom, kind of off-white.

Speaker 2 2:05:02

Off. What color is that? I actually love your mom. Kind of off-white, I actually love your mom, she's

Speaker 4 2:05:04

a great lady. I like Teddy better.

Speaker 5 2:05:07

Don't tell her, I said that I'm just messing with you. She's a.

Speaker 6 2:05:15

Benedict Arnold. Nobody likes a Benedict Arnold Candace Owens is a Benedict Arnold.

Speaker 2 2:05:21

Why Becauseens you?

Speaker 6 2:05:21

think is a Benedict.

Speaker 3 2:05:22

Arnold.

Speaker 5 2:05:23

Why? Because?

Speaker 2 2:05:24

she's black and she doesn't agree with you.

Speaker 6 2:05:27

I disagree with that the thing is the problems in the black community, the problems in the black community.

Speaker 4 2:05:38

Olive, olive Natalie, that's great.

Speaker 6 2:05:40

The problems that plague the black community need to be solved within the black community. I agree with that.

Speaker 4 2:05:49

You have a place of your own. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 5 2:05:51

But is she not trying to educate the people on how things got to where they got to? I agree with that.

Speaker 6 2:06:01

I feel like she's not speaking to black people.

Speaker 4 2:06:04

Oh, I think she is.

Speaker 6 2:06:07

I feel like she's speaking to you.

Speaker 4 2:06:09

I feel like she's speaking to you. No, I understand. I think she's speaking to everyone. Well, she is, we are all in this, but she speaks like a white woman.

Speaker 3 2:06:19

I see what you're saying on that.

Speaker 5 2:06:20

She speaks like an white woman Rather than speak like I see what you're saying on that she speaks so no, she speaks like an educated person.

Speaker 4 2:06:27

So that makes me feel like shit, because that means I'm saying that black people aren't educated. That's not what I'm saying at all.

Speaker 2 2:06:33

No, I'm not meaning that.

Speaker 5 2:06:34

What I'm trying to say is, but I'm taking race and gender out of it.

Speaker 4 2:06:38

No, and I even said 100%. She's extremely educated, she's extremely ineligible, is she educated. You will see her run for Senate, or Congress.

Speaker 5 2:06:48

Look up Candace Owens' education. I don't know what it is, but I know she's well-read.

Speaker 6 2:06:52

No, she is Well, she could be. Yeah, I don't even know. I don't know what her education is.

Speaker 5 2:06:57

I don't either, but I know she's well-read because the way she articulates things there's no way in hell she's not well-read.

Speaker 6 2:07:04

She is well-read.

Speaker 5 2:07:07

Let's go with education for a second Rush Limbaugh. Don't hit me with the politics of Rush Limbaugh, but he took one class of formal education in college and said screw this. And dropped out. But you cannot tell me if you've ever actually truly listened to Rush Limbaugh that you could say that he's not educated, but he has zero formal education.

Speaker 8 2:07:35

No, really.

Speaker 5 2:07:36

She dropped out of junior year, so Rush Limbaugh went one semester of college and said, screw this, I'm out.

Speaker 6 2:07:43

And you cannot tell me that he was not intelligent and educated Because he was extremely well-read.

Speaker 5 2:07:51

Is that your niece? Yeah, that's my niece.

Speaker 3 2:07:53

So your niece, House's niece, commented. She said that she commands respect when she speaks and she makes sure you answer the question that she's asking you. Candace Owens, right.

Speaker 4 2:08:04

That's always a problem with any politician man. They tiptoe.

Speaker 8 2:08:07

Yeah, people in general don't answer the fucking question anymore.

Speaker 4 2:08:12

With Kamala, and I think this is really what hurt her.

Speaker 5 2:08:16

What did you say her education was. I'm sorry, Charlie.

Speaker 8 2:08:19

She dropped out after her junior year.

Speaker 4 2:08:20

she has an undergrad from Rhode Island University so she has a bad definition.

Speaker 5 2:08:24

She did not finish.

Speaker 8 2:08:25

That's a bachelor, that is a bachelor's degree another I said she has an undergrad nope, she dropped out her junior year.

Speaker 4 2:08:32

Okay, I'm trying to read his computer from ways away. So she.

Speaker 5 2:08:37

So she did not attain a bachelor's degree, so she technically has an associate's degree.

Speaker 6 2:08:43

Probably.

Speaker 5 2:08:45

Based on credit.

Speaker 4 2:08:46

But it doesn't say she has.

Speaker 5 2:08:46

Junior year would be, you know, associates based on credit.

Speaker 3 2:08:50

So the challenge laid down on the table for you, trey is to this is from Tab so it's to take the person away from it and only listen to the ideas and then tell you or tell them that you wouldn't agree.

Speaker 8 2:09:05

So this goes back to the first televised debate which was against Nixon and Kennedy.

Speaker 5 2:09:14

And if you listen to that debate on the radio, nixon killed Kennedy in that debate. If you watched it on television, kennedy won. So what she's saying or is it Tab? It's Tab. She's saying take the visual out and just listen to the words, and that happens all the time.

Speaker 3 2:09:35

Right now, it's a big thing on YouTube that all these pundits are going to college campuses which are notoriously liberal and they're Kirk and everybody, but some other ones too, and they put out conservative thoughts and ideas and the students are like oh yeah, yeah. Until they're like oh yeah, by the way, trump said that oh, you're kidding. No, I don't like that. They stick them with the gotcha. So, and maybe I don't agree with that, but that's the point.

Speaker 5 2:10:01

No, but that takes the person. No, but that takes the person out of it.

Speaker 1 2:10:04

And puts the policy into it.

Speaker 5 2:10:06

So we had a meeting, a while back and one of the things that was said in the meeting for the writers group. Right, there was some conflicts, that was going on. I said, no, no, wait a minute, stop. You cannot put the person in. It has to be the policy. You can't go by person, you have to go by policy.

Speaker 4 2:10:24

And because you said that that's why we kicked you out, that's why, I'm out.

Speaker 6 2:10:29

You didn't kick him out, exactly right. Sorry, I had to do it somewhere.

Speaker 3 2:10:34

I was getting too serious. It's perfect to think about.

Speaker 5 2:10:38

It's just you've got to look at both sides. I do, I look at both sides.

Speaker 4 2:10:41

I'm always a devil's advocate man. People hate that shit.

Speaker 6 2:10:45

So what Tabitha's saying right?

Speaker 3 2:10:47

We already established what she's saying.

Speaker 6 2:10:50

The problem is, and like I said is, Trump is so.

Speaker 5 2:10:57

We're talking about Candace Owens, not Trump, I know, but she's talking about take the person out of it. And listen to what they're saying Candace Owens Okay.

Speaker 6 2:11:06

Anyways, we're talking about Trump.

Speaker 3 2:11:10

This is all about Trump. Hey, by the way, who?

Speaker 6 2:11:15

won that election. That was Trump.

Speaker 5 2:11:17

My hands fucking down. I just wanted to know. I just wanted to know.

Speaker 6 2:11:21

So he is so to me, when we talked about him with Nick Fuentes and having dinner and all that shit. He is so white supremacist, adjacent Right. I cannot throw my hat in that ring.

Speaker 5 2:11:40

But what was the dinner? What was the? What was the? I don't know it was him, kanye West and Nick Fuentes, because there's because there's pictures floating around with him and the dude that didn't commit suicide in the jail cell too. What's his name? Epstein Epstein.

Speaker 7 2:11:54

There's pictures floating around. There's pictures with him and Diddy. The Democrats said he was best buddies with him.

Speaker 5 2:12:00

The guy showed up at an event and he got a picture with Trump and now he's best buddies with him. He didn't even know the dude.

Speaker 3 2:12:06

And so that's what I was trying to say.

Speaker 5 2:12:08

So I don't know what the context is. So you're saying they went to dinner. Okay, what's the context of what the dinner was? They had dinner the three of them, just them, I.

Speaker 6 2:12:17

They had dinner the three of them, just them. It was. I mean, I'm sure there were servers.

Speaker 5 2:12:22

It was at Mar-a-Lago, I'm sure there were servers, so they were invited to his place at Mar-a-Lago to have dinner with him. Yes, so there was clearly there was something going on, and that's what I'm asking what was the context of what the dinner?

Speaker 4 2:12:32

was Okay, okay. So let me ask you a question. Context Okay, we're sitting here tonight. You and I are good friends, yes, and I don't tell you that I'm a pedophile. I wouldn't say good friends, but we hang out.

Speaker 5 2:12:50

We've been associates for years. You spooned once.

Speaker 4 2:12:54

We did spoon twice, we spooned twice.

Speaker 9 2:12:56

You spooned a little, but that's what I want to know.

Speaker 4 2:12:59

And I'm a pedophile and all of a sudden I get arrested and they're like oh shit, trey. Trey's got to be in on it because he's been friends with the guy for years. He's hung out and they've done podcasts and they've gone to dinner and they've riden motorcycles together. He's got to be here, but you had no idea ever.

Speaker 8 2:13:18

Right, that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 5 2:13:22

What's the context of all this?

Speaker 4 2:13:24

It's hard to say that just because there was a picture floating around, or you had a couple dinners, or you hung out a couple times. You don't know what someone's doing behind closed doors all the time, and I'm not excusing it in a way either. I'm just going to use this as an example. That's a possibility, but Nick Fuentes was reputed. I don't even know who that guy is.

Speaker 5 2:13:41

I don't know who he is either. I don't know who that is.

Speaker 6 2:13:45

And he was known and Trump's people should have known like, hey, do not take a dinner with this guy, but was this before he was a politician? No this was after he became, after he was president. Okay, this was down in Mar-a-Lago after he was president. Okay, this was down in Mar-a-Lago after he was president, but he knew he was eyeing, getting ready to run again. Okay, he should have never had that kind of a point.

Speaker 4 2:14:08

So I have a lot of friends that would probably say I can't believe you sat across the table from a liberal Right. Does that mean maybe I'm trying to have an honest conversation with you to show you my side? I understand where you're at. He's not.

Speaker 6 2:14:22

Hitler and over there, what's up?

Speaker 3 2:14:25

I'm just saying like what's the argument? Like why is it an issue? Because clearly you won the election by the popular vote. Clearly, how many million did you say? About three?

Speaker 4 2:14:39

Right now, but there's still probably votes out there to count. So how many million?

Speaker 3 2:14:42

people voted for him and didn't give a shit about that meeting at all.

Speaker 6 2:14:46

Nobody knew about it.

Speaker 4 2:14:48

He didn't know about it. I didn't know about it, you didn't know about it, he didn't know about it. This guy didn't know about it.

Speaker 5 2:14:52

And that's called bias, and I watch this kind of stuff every day and I didn't that's called bias, and that's why things like Ground News exists and stuff.

Speaker 2 2:15:05

I have no clue. I've never seen that, I've never heard of that guy?

Speaker 3 2:15:10

No, I haven't either.

Speaker 6 2:15:12

How am I supposed to know? I heard about it as soon as he had that dinner.

Speaker 3 2:15:16

But I guess, stop, stop, stop. Where Where'd you hear it?

Speaker 6 2:15:20

from. I have no fucking idea, to be honest with you Did AOC, tell you that?

Speaker 5 2:15:24

Okay, listen, did she text you?

Speaker 4 2:15:25

Hold on hold on she definitely texted.

Speaker 6 2:15:31

That is when Kanye West lost his fucking mind.

Speaker 4 2:15:34

Gin and juices.

Speaker 5 2:15:35

He was a fucking See, and I barely even know who Kanye West is. So See, and I barely even know who Kanye West is.

Speaker 8 2:15:39

So Nick was brought as a guest of Kanye West to that dinner.

Speaker 5 2:15:46

Oh, so he was just there as a guest of Kanye.

Speaker 4 2:15:48

He was there as a guest of Kanye Right, but well, or Kanye, slash Uncle.

Speaker 6 2:15:51

Todd. Here's here exactly, uncle Todd. Thank, you. Thank you, that's what I'm here for man.

Speaker 4 2:15:57

I'm here for the comedy relief, right Is Kanye.

Speaker 5 2:16:00

West a singer or a basketball player. He's a rapper.

Speaker 4 2:16:03

He's a rapper Married to Kim Kardashian for a bit. Oh, that's why I don't know who, kim Kardashian is.

Speaker 5 2:16:10

He changed his name to Yee Yee.

Speaker 6 2:16:12

Kim Kardashian is part of Kanye, so he just dropped the con. It's now just. Yee, his shoes are ugly.

Speaker 4 2:16:19

Well, it was like, it was like Y-E. I mean, I know I thought it was like it's like Chad Ochocinco.

Speaker 6 2:16:29

I saw that guy in Miami one time, really In the fucking Adidas store, so I was with my friend and he was like that's Ochocinco, right there I

Speaker 4 2:16:37

was like that is Ochocinco AKA Chad Johnson, so bringing it back though Chad Johnson Ochocinco. Bringing it back, though he was a football player Wide receiver and his number was 85. So he changed his name from Chad Johnson to Ochocinco, because that's Mexican for 85.

Speaker 8 2:16:54

85, right, I got that and then the one dude did the Middle World Peace in basketball oh Middle World Peace. Sorry.

Speaker 4 2:17:01

I just got asked are you wearing?

Speaker 6 2:17:03

Yeezys, I am not, absolutely not, what the fuck are you wearing Timberlands? These are. Timberlands.

Speaker 1 2:17:09

Justin Timberlake.

Speaker 6 2:17:10

Not Timberlake.

Speaker 4 2:17:14

Timberlake.

Speaker 2 2:17:15

He's wearing Timberlake.

Speaker 4 2:17:20

He owns a medical or he owns a marijuana growth facility. That's legal here in Michigan.

Speaker 8 2:17:22

So he's got the knockoffs. Oh the knockoffs. He's got the.

Speaker 4 2:17:25

Timberlakes.

Speaker 6 2:17:26

Timberlakes, timberlakes. I do want to buy a pair of Timberlakes. I want to buy a pair of Yeezys. I got the Timberlakes on tonight, boys.

Speaker 1 2:17:36

So I would say bringing you back.

Speaker 3 2:17:38

I would say you're the only one that has supposedly heard this story and knows who this Nick Fuentes guy is. The rest of us, I would say, have a conservative lean. I'm just using this as an example to show that clearly, whatever news source you got it from, news being used lightly is bias. It's complete bias, because we've all listened to Fox or Newsmax or whoever they're not going to talk about that.

Speaker 6 2:18:03

No, I mean clearly we all know there's some divide, that's what.

Speaker 4 2:18:07

I'm saying the bias is there. So here's the deal. I never try to do bias. I got out of the Marines and actually paid attention to elections, right? So Bush was when I was in and Clinton I mean, that was when Clinton was coming out and Bush was coming in the first time. Like that's how long ago. So when I got back still to this day election night.

Speaker 5 2:18:29

I have like multi-view multi-screen on my TV.

Speaker 4 2:18:36

You need a pop culture class, bill. Bill, bill, get over it. I'm flopping between CNN, newsmax.

Speaker 5 2:18:41

Fox MSNBC. I was kidding about that one. I'm all going.

Speaker 4 2:18:46

And the reason why is because they all report so differently, right? So, for instance, if I'm watching Fox or Newsmax, oh my gosh. I need a pop culture call, so they're talking a certain way, and I flip between MSNBC and CNN and I'm watching those to see what they're saying, to kind of get the feel, the general feel, because they're so different they're major news organizations. Fox and Newsmax are calling states totally different than the way MSNBC I mean you saw that right.

Speaker 5 2:19:14

I had like four screens on my TV because I want to know, I'm not biased either way.

Speaker 4 2:19:20

I just want to know the fucking truth. I'm so tired of being lied to yeah, exactly right yes so pull up, pull up our soup sandwich messenger.

Speaker 3 2:19:29

I posted pictures of this and I'm watching the live, so can one of you all pull it up?

Speaker 5 2:19:34

what do we have just? The soup sandwich messenger chat that we have oh shit, I don't know where the hell that's even at. It's right here.

Speaker 3 2:19:41

All right cool, Let me scroll through this.

Speaker 4 2:19:44

I thought you were talking about, like actually the Facebook administrator.

Speaker 2 2:19:46

We love that, Charlie.

Speaker 7 2:19:47

No no, no.

Speaker 4 2:19:50

Where is it at? It's our little group chat. Yeah, it's not like the.

Speaker 2 2:19:55

Facebook messenger for the podcast page. So anybody out there?

Speaker 4 2:19:59

listening. I know we're on the post page right now but, go to. Soup Sandwich on Facebook. Follow Mike. We need to get to 100 people in order to be able to put this on that page rather than on the post page.

Speaker 3 2:20:13

I know the live is not going to be able to see this, but this is ground news. I've subscribed to these guys, so they will show you whatever the news article is and it will show you how it leans, based on who is running the article, and then it gives you a synopsis, down here in the bullet points, as to what they're saying, and then it will show you a factual score based on all that, and then it shows you who owns that news agency. Is it a media conglomerate?

Speaker 4 2:20:49

It'll tell you this article's going to be shaded one way or the other. And then they somewhat fact check. Is that what you're trying to say?

Speaker 6 2:20:57

They give a fact score.

Speaker 5 2:20:59

What is this?

Speaker 8 2:21:00

It's called the ground news.

Speaker 4 2:21:02

Here's the issue I have with fact checking, and this is not fact score. What is this? It's called the ground news. Here's the issue I have with fact-checking. And this is not fact-checking I can fact-check something 100% different than the way you fact-check it. So I don't like fact-checkers, because I think that's bias as well.

Speaker 3 2:21:15

Of course it is.

Speaker 5 2:21:15

You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 2:21:18

I can interpret data totally different than you can, even though we're looking at the same numbers.

Speaker 8 2:21:26

Something as simple as you know, if you look at the exit goals, we're crazy, right it's like, oh, he's going to win by a landslide If we don't argue. And I said, fuck you, I'd punch him in the fucking face. I wouldn't hurt, I bet you would. I bet you'd be eating out of a straw for a few weeks. No, what happened?

Speaker 6 2:21:39

So what do you guys think of Project 2025?

Speaker 4 2:21:43

I think it's garbage, it's 100% garbage and it's 100% made up. Got linked to him that he even said this is not any type of policy.

Speaker 6 2:21:54

Can you Google how many people from the Trump administration from the first Trump administration, how many it's not from From the first Trump administration, how many people authored Project 2025?

Speaker 3 2:22:06

That's great and all, but are those people going to be in the new one? Absolutely not.

Speaker 4 2:22:09

Because the first time he came in he even said it right, I'm getting Nikki Haley and Pompeo on these guys. They're not going to be a part of this one. Those are the swamp people he's trying to get rid of. Right and no offense. Right when you come in for one term.

Speaker 5 2:22:22

He knew no one.

Speaker 4 2:22:24

It's just like you as the P of the writer's group.

Speaker 5 2:22:26

He knew no one.

Speaker 4 2:22:27

All of a sudden, here's your first term. How well did you know the fucking job?

Speaker 6 2:22:31

Not well.

Speaker 4 2:22:33

And what did I tell you? Reach out to me if you've got questions or problems. I'm not here to do your job. Reach out to me if you need something. You probably stepped on your dick multiple times and now you've learned the lesson, right. So now your next term is going to be way better than your first term because you've got some experience. The same instance for him. He had four years.

Speaker 5 2:22:51

Yeah, and he was an outsider. You know, you've got to remember he was an outsider, he didn't know anybody, he didn't know the Washington way. So this time is going to be better than the last time.

Speaker 4 2:22:58

He's going to get rid of those people that maybe put their name onto this. That's why so many of his.

Speaker 5 2:23:05

Trump. That's why so many of the Trump first administration he fired so many of them. That's why so many of them are like well, I work for Trump. He's an asshole.

Speaker 3 2:23:11

And now they're never Trumpers?

Speaker 5 2:23:13

Yeah, because he found out that they were not what he really wanted and got rid of them.

Speaker 3 2:23:19

Yeah, and so my thoughts, my thoughts on that, and I guess it's just kind of the challenge, because I guess you will have to figure this out, Trey but over over the next couple of years or so, some of those things in project 2225, will it, will it materialize Of?

Speaker 3 2:23:37

course they will Maybe, Of course they will. But I want to see, at the end of his next term, I want to see a percentage of what actually came true versus what didn't, Because if it's anywhere below you know, I don't know 30%, 20%, he had nothing to do with it. That's my challenge to you. But even a blind squirrel can't find an acre.

Speaker 5 2:24:03

The number of that is going to happen.

Speaker 8 2:24:05

The numbers show 267 additional contributors. At least 144 of them worked in Trump's administration On his first term. Here's the deal.

Speaker 6 2:24:19

He doesn't know anything about it. Wait a minute. These are knowledge of it.

Speaker 4 2:24:23

Okay, so let me ask you a question you have how many employees at your business?

Speaker 6 2:24:27

Overall 100? 80?.

Speaker 4 2:24:29

It's like 65. Okay, so you have 65. So say, 40 of them get together. Knowledge of what they're doing Used to work for me. That's the point.

Speaker 5 2:24:46

Wait a minute. What did you just say, he?

Speaker 4 2:24:49

only has 144 out of the 3,000. That probably worked for him.

Speaker 6 2:24:55

Okay, but of the authors of this? They worked for him and were the majority of the authors? No, so wait a minute.

Speaker 4 2:25:04

Majority of the authors. Okay, so wait a minute. So that's the out of the 144 that authored. This worked for him this time.

Speaker 3 2:25:11

And that's what I was going to say.

Speaker 6 2:25:13

Holman. He contributed to that. No, did he, did, he Did Holman.

Speaker 4 2:25:17

Holman.

Speaker 6 2:25:17

What's his first?

Speaker 4 2:25:18

name.

Speaker 7 2:25:20

Mike, mike, no, holman, holman, what's his?

Speaker 3 2:25:23

first name Mike? No, I think it's Tom. Tom Holman.

Speaker 6 2:25:25

So he did contribute to it. Oh my God.

Speaker 3 2:25:28

But here's the thing what did he contribute? Was it Borders R?

Speaker 4 2:25:31

stuff Secure the border. So if you look at Project 2025, and it talks about border security and the way immigrants what does Project 2025 say about the VA?

Speaker 3 2:25:43

To privatize it. I already know that's been a freaking argument for decades.

Speaker 5 2:25:48

That just goes back to privatizing.

Speaker 2 2:25:50

Social Security too. They want to take our money away from us.

Speaker 6 2:25:53

They don't want to privatize. They want to take our money away from us. How can you privatize the VA?

Speaker 5 2:25:57

Hold on.

Speaker 6 2:25:58

It already has been privatized.

Speaker 5 2:26:02

Time out. You're talking about the VA. What did Trump do for the VA when he was president?

Speaker 4 2:26:04

I don't know, gave a shit ton more money, the White House hotline.

Speaker 6 2:26:09

He did listen, he did a lot of good for the VA.

Speaker 5 2:26:13

So now you're saying he's not going to do shit for the VA no no, no, no, no.

Speaker 6 2:26:17

But they want to take money away from us, so I'm going to According to Project 2025. Who is they?

Speaker 3 2:26:22

But here's the thing. Here's the thing Republicans, the OPM, the OPM, by mandate, every single year has to come out with things that they could possibly slice off the cow to save us money. And on that list every single year it's cutting VA disability.

Speaker 5 2:26:40

Well, it just kind of goes back to Every single year, every time they want to cut taxes or cut. What do they try to cut? We're going to cut Social Security. We're going to cut school funding. We're going to cut police. We're going to cut fire services, all these things, it's never going to be welfare.

Speaker 4 2:26:56

It's never going to be the social programs.

Speaker 5 2:26:58

It's always the thing People are saying hell, no, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 2:27:01

It would be political suicide. They never talk about cutting the crap. Social Security, Social Security, VA anything with veterans, that's a.

Speaker 4 2:27:12

That's definitely a no-go Bipartisan thing.

Speaker 3 2:27:15

That's no-go, that's political suicide. I'm going to revise my mandate Out of the people on that list that contributed to 2025. Is this the second part? Two months revised.

Speaker 4 2:27:26

We've got to have at least two months, two hours 27 minutes, but here we are.

Speaker 3 2:27:34

I thought I did pretty good at two hours and 27 minutes.

Speaker 4 2:27:37

I could have called it earlier, but I just didn't Because.

Speaker 1 2:27:40

I'm a nice guy. I'm a nice guy. I feel bad for Trey being here today.

Speaker 3 2:27:43

I got it, I got it so originally I had said what percentage becomes true.

Speaker 3 2:27:52

So I'm going to add on to that, whatever comes true, who wrote it, and if it doesn't come true, who wrote it and whether or not they are in his new administration. So, and I guess that's just basic research, I'm just kind of splitting it out, but like that is at the end of his term. That's what I'm going to do and I'm going to try to figure out, like OK, so here here I'm going to give you my issues, my issues with. I better sit down for this.

Speaker 6 2:28:22

You're probably not going to like this because, okay, who the Trump administration is aligning themselves with? One, they're aligning themselves with people like Nick Fuentes, Right. He's not going to work in the administration, but you have Stephen Miller, steve Bannon, all these racist people.

Speaker 7 2:28:46

I like the Steve Miller band. That's the name.

Speaker 6 2:28:50

Matthew Spann.

Speaker 3 2:28:52

I don't think that's what he was talking about. All these racists.

Speaker 6 2:28:55

That's awesome.

Speaker 5 2:28:56

I was thinking the same thing earlier too.

Speaker 6 2:29:00

They're racist or racist adjacent Right. The second thing is. The second thing is the religious cuckoos, these religious cuckoos that want to turn America into the fucking handmaid's tale.

Speaker 7 2:29:19

Oh, shut up, so wait a minute. That's why.

Speaker 6 2:29:21

I said you're not going to shut up.

Speaker 4 2:29:22

You're not, I know. That's why I said you're not going to like it. You want to get on religion. Do you know what he said about abortion? When they're talking about they have to do it in the first six weeks, he says that needs to be longer than that.

Speaker 6 2:29:32

Listen listen, he can say what he fucking wants, but what is happening?

Speaker 7 2:29:38

I mean that's all.

Speaker 5 2:29:42

So let me tell you, let me tell you what's happening In red states.

Speaker 6 2:29:43

what's happening?

Speaker 4 2:29:44

Let me tell you he actually gave back the power to the people.

Speaker 5 2:29:47

That's what I was just going to say.

Speaker 4 2:29:48

He gave the power to us in Michigan to vote on what we want to do. That's the way it should be. It should not come from. Are they voting?

Speaker 6 2:29:56

though Some. Some states yes.

Speaker 4 2:29:58

Ruth Bader Ginsburg. Ruth Bader.

Speaker 5 2:30:02

Ginsburg. So, that being said, if they didn't vote for it, that's because they didn't put it on their ballot.

Speaker 6 2:30:08

I know and that goes to the people of that state. The politicians in that state took it over, made laws in Texas, Florida, Georgia, where you have women, women dying.

Speaker 4 2:30:23

No hold on Dying in those states. Let me ask you a question. No hold on a minute, google it.

Speaker 8 2:30:28

They just did. Tuesday's vote was a rare chance for Texans to vote directly on abortion restrictions.

Speaker 6 2:30:32

Okay, now what are the?

Speaker 3 2:30:34

statistics of who's dying and how many. How many women have died in Texas from abortion restrictions?

Speaker 4 2:30:39

I got a lot of knowledge on this in Texas from abortion restrictions. I got a lot of knowledge on this subject From abortion restrictions.

Speaker 4 2:30:44

I got a lot of knowledge on this subject, I'm going to ask a question. So Ruth Gensler did not like the fact that abortion rights were hung on. Roe v Wade Didn't like at all. House Bill 1964, obama ran on. House bill 1964, obama ran on Feels good, yeah, turn that down over there. Ruth Obama said he was going to sign that bill for abortion rights or reproductive rights. Never did it, never did it His eight years You're absolutely right, never signed it.

Speaker 4 2:31:21

Trump comes in. Biden had the opportunity to do something. Never fucking did it. Never did it His eight years. You're absolutely right, never signed it. Yep, trump comes in. Biden had the opportunity to do something. Never fucking did it. Okay.

Speaker 1 2:31:27

He had both House and Senate never did it.

Speaker 4 2:31:30

Okay, so you can't hang reproductive rights on Republicans when you've had 12 years of Democrat control and they've never done it. Yep, so you can't come after us for four years. What did you do? Jesus, jesus Bill relax.

Speaker 8 2:31:51

You're putting it on upside down, not me this time.

Speaker 4 2:31:56

So you want to hang all these policies or these principles on Republicans when Democrats had every opportunity to do it and they don't do it? Yep, so that's the most crap stuff I've ever heard. Now, how many women in the United States have ever been tried or convicted for an abortion?

Speaker 6 2:32:15

None yet, None Well maybe back in the 50s or 60s.

Speaker 4 2:32:19

So here's the problem with Michigan. Kamala Harris comes here and she wants to talk about abortion rights. She wants to talk about reproductive rights. Guess what? It's already enshrined in our Constitution by a vote that you can do it You've got to turn your camera around. I did there's a problem oh okay, so you know it's just crap right.

Speaker 5 2:32:40

Sorry about the camera folks. These are those.

Speaker 3 2:32:42

These are those? Roy had a little too much to drink. He knocked it all over.

Speaker 4 2:32:47

Don't say that His wife might be listening.

Speaker 5 2:32:49

That brisk lemonade is really kicking his butt.

Speaker 4 2:32:51

Yeah, it's tall. There it is. His wife might be listening. Don't throw him under the bus.

Speaker 5 2:32:56

It was brisk lemonade no-transcript.

Speaker 4 2:33:07

Is there that a woman is facing prosecution for having an abortion? Say again, how many states has a woman that's being prosecuted for having an abortion? I'm going to read this to you Zero?

Speaker 6 2:33:19

No, I'm going to read this to you. What's that sound? The heater's turning. In the first year after the decision to overturn Roe v Wade, over 200 women were charged with pregnancy-related crimes in 12 states.

Speaker 4 2:33:36

Charged but were they prosecuted, Because we all know there's a difference right. I could have you arrested tonight, but so you're charged with Hold on. Have you been prosecuted?

Speaker 6 2:33:50

Let me finish this, because the majority of these crimes were charges were for substance abuse during pregnancy, ah See, which I agree with.

Debating Abortion Laws and Political Divisions

Speaker 5 2:34:06

Changing the topic. You were throwing a curveball in there.

Speaker 4 2:34:10

How many states criminalize the removal of the atopic or entopic pregnancy? Say again, how many states criminalize the removal of the atopic?

Speaker 3 2:34:24

E-C-T Et-opic Pregnancy.

Speaker 4 2:34:27

It's pretty simple. The answer is zero. How many states prohibit the life-saving care for the mother?

Speaker 6 2:34:36

Say that one more time. How many states prohibit the life-saving?

Speaker 4 2:34:41

measures of the mother.

Speaker 6 2:34:44

None Zero, exactly.

Speaker 4 2:34:46

So there has not been one woman that's faced prosecution for having an abortion. There are zero states that criminalize having a miscarriage. Zero times has any states criminalized removal of ectopic pregnancy. And zero states prohibit life-saving measures for the mother as of today, Okay so this is all scare tactics.

Speaker 6 2:35:13

No, but what you're saying there? What you're saying there? You're being awful quiet over there. Does not Say that one more time. It does not Since the overturn of Roe v.

Speaker 4 2:35:25

Wade. There's not been one mother, woman prosecuted, penalized or anything Yet.

Speaker 2 2:35:32

Okay, we can say yet penalized or anything Yet. Okay, we could say yet, but still today, but it's going to happen.

Speaker 6 2:35:36

It's zero. Is it going to happen? It's going to happen, it's going to happen, yeah.

Speaker 4 2:35:39

Is it? Is it?

Speaker 6 2:35:40

Yeah, it's going to happen.

Speaker 4 2:35:41

Okay, so we can wish down the way. Uh-huh, it could happen that the Lions win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 2:35:52

Is it?

Speaker 4 2:35:52

a probability.

Speaker 1 2:35:53

Maybe, but that's not guaranteed.

Speaker 4 2:35:54

It's a very high probability. So what you're trying to do is you're trying to guarantee this is going to happen.

Speaker 6 2:35:56

It's going to happen and it hasn't. Well, it hasn't yet.

Speaker 4 2:36:01

You know what? A spaceship has not landed and dropped dinosaurs with little red cakes, but it could happen.

Speaker 6 2:36:07

It could happen.

Speaker 4 2:36:12

All this Roe v Wade shit is so in RB. Wade, Listen here Nostradamus.

Speaker 5 2:36:17

You're speculating and it's called scare tactic.

Speaker 4 2:36:21

RB Dean did not even want women's reproductive rights. Hung on Roe v Wade and this whole thing about Handmaiden's Tale.

Speaker 3 2:36:28

It is a dystopic fantasy. It is a fantasy storyic fantasy. It is a fantasy story From your side. It is a fantasy story, A dystopian fantasy. That is what it is.

Speaker 4 2:36:41

Look up HR 1964. Obama could have signed the motherfuckers first second he was in the office and never did. You want to know why? No, I agree. You want to know why you didn't do it. Because they have to leave something out there for people to fight. They have to leave something out there to divide the fucking country. He did the same bullshit in my union right United Association. We're Local 85 out of Saginaw, michigan. We walked around our union meetings and we all signed a petition for him to make being able to unionize easier. Right, and it was taught to us all day long you sign this card. It's going to make all these other companies so much easier for people to fucking unionize. Guess what he never fucking signed in eight years. He never signed the motherfucker to make it easier for us to unionize.

Speaker 5 2:37:29

But he could, he could someday, he absolutely could have.

Speaker 4 2:37:33

He might still be able to. I don't fucking know I mean it's a possibility.

Speaker 5 2:37:36

He could do it.

Speaker 4 2:37:36

The aliens come down with the dinosaurs and red capes. I mean it could happen. What I'm saying is he had. They have every opportunity to solve problems, and the reason why they don't want to do it is because they want guys like you and I that fight amongst each other, and when we're fighting against each other, now they've got a division where they can draw a vote this way or a vote that way. They want to keep us at arms.

Speaker 6 2:37:56

But here's the thing. Here's the thing from my perspective. Yeah Right, that will never happen, because you'll always be my brother. Well, I get that, no matter our fucking political, I get that.

Speaker 5 2:38:07

But that's because you guys have a bond. That's outside of this bullshit. But when you have people that you don't know and you automatically assume that they're having a dinner with somebody, so they're automatically a sexist racist homophobic, misogynistic piece of garbage that you're going to take Well, I mean Trump has been convicted of crimes.

Speaker 6 2:38:32

Where has he?

Speaker 5 2:38:32

34. Has he, has he? What were the crimes? Fraud.

Speaker 3 2:38:40

Fraud in the most liberal state in the nation, which may still get struck down. We'll see what happens when the Biden's coming out.

Speaker 4 2:38:47

What is Trump's conviction? We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 2:38:49

Because he said the value of his home was a certain value.

Speaker 6 2:38:53

No, no no, here's the other thing, here's the other thing.

Speaker 3 2:39:01

I watched a small 20, 30-minute snippet of the New York Court of Appeals and one of the justices. They lit him right up. One of the justices sat right there and said in the history of this nation, no court case had ever come before any court anywhere in the nation where the people who the prosecutors is what they were referring to. The prosecutors were prosecuting a case where there was nobody complaining of any wrongdoing, no damage.

Speaker 5 2:39:31

So for instance.

Speaker 4 2:39:32

This is the case. Trump took out a loan on one of his buildings and I'm just going to use it was 2,000 square feet smaller than what he said. You're the bank. You come in, you look at the building. You say, okay, yep, you want $3 billion for this building. Right, you want to take a loan out? Yep, we agree $. You want to take a loan out? We agree $3 billion. And you're going to pay us $1 billion in interest.

Speaker 3 2:39:53

And they have their own due diligence.

Speaker 4 2:39:56

They come in and they say we'll give you $3 billion. Trump takes the $3 billion and pays them back the $4 billion. Everybody's square, Everybody's fucking happy. Now you get to stay in the ER going. Wait a minute. That should only be $2.8 billion, not $3 billion, because you lied and said it was worth more square footage than what you said. The bank came into the case and said we were good with it. We don't give a shit. We made our billion dollars.

Speaker 5 2:40:21

We got our money back.

Speaker 4 2:40:22

We got our money back. It's not like it's a default or anything crazy. That's what the case was about. That's exactly what it was all that's gonna get overturned because there was no damage.

Speaker 3 2:40:31

So anyway what it was about there was no damage.

Speaker 6 2:40:33

Can we talk about His conviction before, before we had?

Speaker 4 2:40:37

and I know, but there's multiple cases in New York. All right, all right now, before we get too deep on that.

Speaker 3 2:40:42

Let me throw one more thing about this handmaidens tale before we get too far.

Speaker 6 2:40:47

I really want that to happen. See what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 2:40:50

It's so stupid? Because, okay, because I like to read. I like to read books. You have a daughter, right?

Speaker 4 2:40:58

Whatever, she's a daughter, right? I want to get into voting after this is done.

Handmaid's Tale and Voter Fraud Analysis

Speaker 3 2:41:01

Okay, so let me read to you guys, Because they're talking about oh, the headman's tale. I've seen memes all over Facebook about it.

Speaker 5 2:41:09

I don't even know what the hell it is.

Speaker 4 2:41:10

I'm about to tell you. Are you ready for this? Shut your mouth and listen.

Speaker 3 2:41:16

Never once has a sailor ever done that.

Speaker 4 2:41:19

No, you guys usually open up and go ah, you would know.

Speaker 6 2:41:26

You're on the boat with them, I know.

Speaker 4 2:41:29

Remember what Tim always says it doesn't matter which end of the dick you're on, you're still gay, I know. But remember what Tim always says doesn't matter which end of the dick you're on, you're still gay.

Speaker 5 2:41:34

I got three words.

Speaker 4 2:41:35

I got three words I think one's gayer than the other, but still it doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 2:41:38

I got three words, three, three words.

Speaker 4 2:41:41

Fuck you, charlie you know how many times I've heard that in my life. To be taken as seriously.

Speaker 2 2:41:48

No, I'm just kidding All right.

Speaker 8 2:41:50

All right.

Speaker 3 2:41:50

But, seriously I've seen memes galore about all this other stuff about Handmaid's Tale coming true, whatever. Okay, here is the overview. The Handmaid's Tale is a futuristic dystopian novel written by a Canadian author in 1985. It is set in a near-future New England, in a patriarchal, totalitarian, theonomic state known as the Republic of. Gilead, which has overthrown the United States government. Hold on, my stories are quick and they're saying that we're going to turn into the headman's tale. It is the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever heard in my life. It is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 2:42:33

Did AOC say it Totalitarian?

Speaker 3 2:42:36

Take a breath and count to ten One, two, three, four, five, ten Totalitarian meaning North Korea. So we're going to turn it to North Korea. Patriarchal which means Iran Men are in charge, so Iran.

Speaker 2 2:42:54

So we're, going to turn into some sort of combination between North Korea and Iran.

Speaker 3 2:43:00

In Iraq as well. So we're going to turn into some sort of mixture between North Korea and Iran. It's the biggest bullshit lie anybody's ever told. They're trying to take fiction and put it into reality and it's never going to happen.

Speaker 6 2:43:14

Listen, ever. It's a scare tech. I watched this series, the Handmaid's Tale right. It's based on the book Right and it's based on the book.

Speaker 5 2:43:24

Is there unicorns in that series? That's what I want to know, probably.

Speaker 6 2:43:27

But there are women hung for not giving up the pussy. So, but there are women hung for not giving up the pussy, so this is what people like Nick Fuentes want.

Speaker 5 2:43:35

Man, you like that?

Speaker 6 2:43:35

guy, don't you? He's a fucking piece of shit. You know what it is?

Speaker 4 2:43:38

They always find that one little thing they just ride to death.

Speaker 3 2:43:41

And this is it. That's my site.

Speaker 6 2:43:44

They saddle up and they just ride that shit. You know what it is I just go on and on and on.

Speaker 5 2:43:48

I just realized what it is. It goes on and on and on. I just realized what it is. He wants to be the big spoon of Nick Fuentes. He's sick of being the little spoon. He wants to be the big spoon, big papa.

Speaker 6 2:43:59

Nick Fuentes was on his social media platform, whatever talking to women your body, my choice, your body, my choice there were guys.

Speaker 4 2:44:09

Andrew Tate's no damn different. And then look at that piece of shit.

Speaker 6 2:44:14

But listen, these are all people who are Trump's the fuck he is.

Speaker 7 2:44:19

Wasn't Andrew Tate during COVID, where it was my body, my choice?

Speaker 8 2:44:23

Oh.

Speaker 4 2:44:25

Listen, nobody forced you to get a fucking vaccine. Jake is listening, probably. Hopefully still hey, leah did?

Speaker 5 2:44:32

they force you to get a Did.

Speaker 4 2:44:32

Jake is listening.

Speaker 5 2:44:32

Probably, hopefully still. Hey, leah, did they force you to get a, did they?

Speaker 6 2:44:34

force you Leah Well in the Navy.

Speaker 3 2:44:36

yes, my fiancé, while still breastfeeding was forced to get this vaccination or lose her job because her employer was a. Medicare and Medicaid funded organization my body might my ass.

Speaker 6 2:44:54

I'm talking about the government.

Speaker 4 2:44:56

Did the government force them to do it?

Speaker 6 2:45:00

No, they didn't.

Speaker 7 2:45:00

Yes, they did. It was government mandate.

Speaker 3 2:45:05

No, it was not. Look it up, fact checker, look it up.

Speaker 6 2:45:11

It was not a government mandate a government yes, it was. Employers might have mandated it.

Speaker 3 2:45:18

No specifically in health care. It was a mandate. You would lose your job and the military.

Speaker 6 2:45:23

How's she doing? She got it. She got the vaccine. That doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 2:45:28

The point is my body, my choice. That's what you're saying.

Speaker 5 2:45:33

So your immunizations are the same thing. It's okay to pick and choose though. Your body my choice.

Speaker 6 2:45:38

That's what these your body, my choice.

Speaker 3 2:45:41

All right, get your ass over here big boy.

Speaker 5 2:45:43

I'll show you something. It's only gay if you look up.

Speaker 7 2:45:50

You better look up too.

Speaker 8 2:45:51

You better look up 20 bucks is 20 bucks 20 bucks is 20 bucks, so let's talk about the votes I need dad's money.

Speaker 6 2:46:00

Let's talk about the votes. Oh, you know what I'm glad about what vote? There's no voter fraud, so there isn't.

Speaker 4 2:46:12

So look at the numbers. Nine million as of today, less Democratic votes than in 2020. Nine million less votes. Nine million. So the Messiah Obama. I voted for him twice.

Speaker 3 2:46:28

I voted for him the second time because I was too young.

Speaker 4 2:46:30

the first time I voted for him twice.

Speaker 5 2:46:32

Who's that Obama? Second time because I was too young the first time I voted for him twice.

Speaker 4 2:46:34

Who's that? Obama, obama, absolutely. Here's the deal, man, I don't care what political affiliation you have. No, shit, no honestly.

Speaker 3 2:46:41

No, I'm sorry. Natalie said I can't help, but imagine if Tim was in this conversation.

Speaker 4 2:46:47

I vote. Oh shit, I vote on the person Right. I voted for Slotkin over Mike Rogers.

Speaker 5 2:46:54

Because I liked her message. Yeah, we talked about that, yeah so here's the deal.

Speaker 4 2:46:57

I've never been a straight ticket. I hate straight tickets.

Speaker 8 2:47:00

I don't know why it's even on the ballot.

Speaker 4 2:47:01

You need to. I think you should fill out.

Speaker 8 2:47:02

You need to do your research, because here's the problem.

Speaker 4 2:47:05

It's too lazy to go in and bubble thing and you're dragging the ticket down of people you have no idea what they actually believe in. I think you should have to bubble it in If you get to a name you don't know, or a couple names you don't know. Don't fucking fill anything out, walk away. Which is cool. So here's the deal. I voted Democrat.

Speaker 3 2:47:21

I voted some township people.

Speaker 4 2:47:25

He got 68 million votes.

Speaker 5 2:47:28

The judges I didn't know who they were.

Speaker 4 2:47:33

Obama, obama. So Obama got 69 million votes in 08, to McCain 60 million. I had this set up for just a night.

Speaker 8 2:47:39

I didn't know we were going to get into this Obama's 2012,.

Speaker 4 2:47:44

Right, romney 66 million to 61 million. You go to Trump in 2016,. He got 63 million to Clinton's 61.

Speaker 6 2:47:59

Clinton's 66 million. Trump had 66 and Clinton had 66.

Speaker 5 2:48:04

Oh Clinton, he's talking about not being able to vote.

Speaker 1 2:48:09

He didn't win the popular.

Speaker 4 2:48:10

Then you go to the COVID year Mail-in ballots 81 million for Biden, okay, 81 million for Biden and Trump at 74 million.

Speaker 7 2:48:21

There's no way.

Speaker 4 2:48:21

Okay, so you go from the messiah that was Obama in the 60 million range, never touched 70. You go 20 million. More votes for Biden in the mail-in ballot.

Speaker 5 2:48:34

Who never left his basement, by the way, why?

Speaker 4 2:48:38

Why is there that big a difference? When Obama was the great black American that ever was ever made, he was the guy.

Speaker 5 2:48:47

Obama brought in all the youth vote too.

Speaker 4 2:48:51

Trump 63, 74. That's 11 million different. During COVID years there was a jump, but it wasn't a 20 million jump, it was a 9 million jump. So half less than half jumped from Obama to him.

Speaker 6 2:49:04

Pause. How many? What was the? When did Obama get elected?

Speaker 4 2:49:09

First time 2012. What?

Speaker 6 2:49:13

is the population of the US in 2008?

Speaker 3 2:49:16

Are we going to go percentages now?

Speaker 6 2:49:17

No population.

Speaker 4 2:49:19

You should just register voters in 2008.

Speaker 3 2:49:23

Because you can't count anybody in 2018.

Speaker 6 2:49:26

But I mean what is it though?

Speaker 4 2:49:27

It was 305 million For total population, for 2008,. Total population Jesus Christ, dude, calm down.

Speaker 2 2:49:38

I'm a motherfucking monster. He's like, hey, I've got to check these facts.

Speaker 6 2:49:42

I've got to check it.

Speaker 4 2:49:46

So this is where the voter fraud comes in and we'll get to the actual numbers as of today, because that's the latest data that I got.

Speaker 3 2:49:54

While he's looking that up, let's throw this out there as part of this conversation. So, assuming, let's just assume, that there was some level of voter fraud, what are the thoughts about getting rid of the secret ballot?

Speaker 1 2:50:09

What secret ballot?

Speaker 3 2:50:12

So your name is not on that ballot. It is a ballot number.

Speaker 5 2:50:15

Who you voted for is not.

Speaker 3 2:50:18

Not that it would be in a database that I'd be able to say oh yeah, trey voted for whatever.

Speaker 5 2:50:23

Not like that. What's known is that you have voted. What's not known is who you voted for.

Analyzing Voter Turnout and Election Strategy

Speaker 4 2:50:27

Right, so I've got a. I have a lot of stats, thank you. I was prepared for tonight because I want to have this discussion that's an open-ended discussion 2008,. 146 million registered voters 146 million registered voters when 2008. 2008. 146. The numbers I'm looking at are pretty dang close to almost everybody voting 2020.

Speaker 8 2:50:50

153. 153. Nope 168.

Speaker 4 2:50:53

168 million voters. Pull out your calculator. In what year? In 2020. 168 million in 2020. So you take in 2020 Biden's 81 million minus 81 million and then take Trump's 74 million. So out of the registered voters there's only 13 million voters that didn't vote.

Speaker 5 2:51:20

Or voted for a third party or whatever, or independents, and it's usually what?

Speaker 3 2:51:25

0.2? Yeah, but out of 146 million.

Speaker 6 2:51:30

0.2 is probably still 1.

Speaker 4 2:51:32

So in the last two Trump votes. Okay, so you're talking 2020 and this one, trump's had 75 million this year and he had 74 million in 2020.

Speaker 5 2:51:44

Pretty consistent 3.3. Yep.

Speaker 4 2:51:46

Okay, 3.3.

Speaker 5 2:51:47

Out of that number.

Speaker 4 2:51:49

He actually only went up a million votes between 2020 and this time. Kamala Harris went from 81 million, democrats went from 81 million, with Biden down to 72 million. For Kamala Nine million. So here's where my issue is Nine million votes. Nine million, currently nine million, and there's some change in there. Right, I'm just going raw numbers, just easy numbers.

Speaker 5 2:52:12

I'm just going easy numbers Nine million, nine million votes. Currently 9 million. There's some change in there, right, I'm just going raw numbers, just easy numbers. I'm just going easy numbers 9 million votes.

Speaker 4 2:52:18

So you guys want to stand there and say all the racists, and everybody voted for Trump. It's only a million votes. How come your party didn't turn out to vote for the black woman? That's on you guys for being misogynist or racist. It's not on Republicans.

Speaker 1 2:52:34

You can't come at us.

Speaker 4 2:52:36

Because our number is within a million votes out of 300 million, that can vote Pretty consistent. Whatever that number is, yeah, pretty consistent. How come you guys didn't have 9 million of your own party come out to vote for her? If we only took a million, that's still 8 million Democrats short from Biden that didn't vote for her, or that's on?

Speaker 3 2:52:57

you guys.

Speaker 5 2:52:58

Maybe that's the number.

Speaker 3 2:52:59

I was trying to say Not popular vote.

Speaker 5 2:53:01

Maybe that was the number that they were talking about, or you look at it and see what the previous year was, or there was massive fraud during Biden, because not at one point. Because they never validated the votes, they only recounted what was there Not at?

Speaker 4 2:53:20

one point since 2008. Never validated. Not at one point since 2008 until Harris this year, did Democrats ever get 70 million votes? This is the first year since 2008,. So Obama years.

Speaker 8 2:53:34

Yeah.

Speaker 4 2:53:35

With the exception of the 20 million vote jump during the Biden year, did they ever touch 70 million?

Speaker 6 2:53:42

So let me ask this why did the Democrats not cheat this year?

Speaker 5 2:53:47

Because there was too many people watching.

Speaker 2 2:53:49

Way too many people watching after 2020.

Speaker 4 2:53:50

They did not have the opportunity.

Speaker 5 2:53:51

Way too many people watching. Way too many people watching after 2020. They did not have the opportunity. Way too many people watching. They didn't have the opportunity and they knew they couldn't get away with it twice If they actually did cheat.

Speaker 4 2:54:00

Why do people get caught thieving? Because you walk into Dollar General and you stole this first time and what do you do? You get brazen. I got away with it once, I'll get away with it twice. I got away with it once, I'll get away with it twice you go back, and that's the time you get caught.

Speaker 6 2:54:12

If I'm going to go steal some shit, why would I steal it from dollars? So here's the thing If you're going, to steal votes from the American people.

Speaker 4 2:54:17

You've already done it once. Maybe this time they're going to be watching. How come there's that big a difference between Biden in 2020 to Harris this time, and how come Obama never?

Speaker 6 2:54:27

got those numbers Because people were disillusioned with the whole fucking process. They're disillusioned with and I'm just being honest here.

Speaker 4 2:54:36

I'm just wondering why your but?

Speaker 5 2:54:37

you can't say they made it easier for when Biden ran against Trump the first time than it was this year.

Speaker 4 2:54:42

You can still mail in.

Speaker 5 2:54:44

They still did mail-ins this year.

Speaker 4 2:54:45

You can still do drop boxes, so you can't say it was easier If your party didn't show up to vote for your own candidate, there should have been 81 million votes that she got this year. What's up, dude? Well, there should have been 80 million if 1 million went over Trump from last time. Right.

Speaker 1 2:55:02

And there was a 9 million difference between Trump and Biden.

Speaker 4 2:55:06

She should have had 8 million more votes this year.

Speaker 1 2:55:09

Yeah, and she didn't have them, so explain to me why your base didn't come out to vote for her Was it because she was a woman, wait a minute, did your base not come out because she was a woman. The base did, or was it?

Speaker 4 2:55:20

she was black. Why didn't your people want to come out to vote for her? The base did.

Speaker 6 2:55:26

The base did. It was those swing voters no there was only a million.

Speaker 5 2:55:31

There was only a million, there was only a million that went after Trump, because Trump.

Speaker 4 2:55:37

There's only a plus million vote from Trump between Biden to this year, but there was a nine million between Trump and Biden, so we'll take the million that voted for Trump or voted for Biden Subtract it, subtract it, and that still leaves eight million. We'll take a million that voted for Biden and we'll shift them over to Trump, because Trump put up a million that leaves 8 million Democrat votes out there.

Speaker 5 2:56:01

So there's a couple theories. Either they cheated or they stayed the fuck home.

Speaker 7 2:56:09

And if they stayed home, then they don't believe in it. Let's rewind that for a minute.

Speaker 6 2:56:12

Don't in it. Let's rewind that for a minute. Hey, don't step away. No, I'm not.

Speaker 7 2:56:15

Let's rewind that for a minute. Let's go further back.

Speaker 5 2:56:18

And that's numbers, that's numbers. They don't lie. Let's take numbers out.

Speaker 4 2:56:22

Hold on. This is the reason why I made that chart.

Speaker 3 2:56:26

He, he's a Marine. I didn't think he could make a chart like that Right.

Speaker 4 2:56:31

I have an ex-wife. That got me very organized, by the way. It's all on her, not on me.

Speaker 5 2:56:37

You know damn well he's not. That kid wasn't in crayon.

Speaker 7 2:56:43

When they finally decided that Biden was done and dropped out, they didn't give you guys a chance, like a little mini primary, to vote for who you wanted. They just gave you somebody and said, hey, you got no choice. This is where we're running.

Speaker 6 2:56:58

I was going to bring that up.

Speaker 5 2:57:00

I did not agree with that I'm not saying, you didn't.

Speaker 6 2:57:04

And a lot of people did not agree with that Sure.

Speaker 3 2:57:06

But they should have said no.

Speaker 5 2:57:09

But yet Trump is the one that was the one that was supposed to kill the democratic process.

Speaker 3 2:57:16

Well, give it time. Do you think that had a toll?

Speaker 7 2:57:18

on your numbers.

Speaker 5 2:57:20

Democrats are the ones that totally went away from the democratic process by stripping Biden and giving her the nod without any democratic process.

Speaker 3 2:57:34

We're going to get into election law for a second, but what I understood that to be was because she couldn't access the fundraised money because of the name right?

Speaker 5 2:57:45

No, what happened is, if she didn't succeed him, the money had to go back to the donors. So the only way that they could keep the money that was given to Biden for the election was she had to take the nod, otherwise they had to give it back and then they would have to resubmit that money. That's election law. So that's why she got denied, because the money was there.

Speaker 6 2:58:17

Roy's question was do I think that not running a primary had any effect on the amount of people? That why she lost? I believe absolutely, hell fucking yeah, there were a lot of people me included.

Speaker 5 2:58:36

I think had she had more time to campaign, she would have done worse.

Speaker 4 2:58:41

I don't think that she wasn't really good in interviews at all.

Speaker 6 2:58:45

I think she would have done worse, she ate Trump up in their debate.

Speaker 4 2:58:50

She ate him up. You know why? Because Trump was the only one fact-checked. No, that's true. No, it's 100% true. And you're going to see, abc News is going to get hammered for it, because that's exactly the contract of that yeah, once Trump gets in there and wants to fucking no. And actually gets the facts of the case. It's not revenge.

Speaker 6 2:59:08

He has said that he wants revenge on his political opponents. What?

Speaker 5 2:59:11

about Kamala Harris going on Saturday Night Live at the last.

Speaker 3 2:59:15

Saturday night NBC got fined for that because equal opportunity law.

Speaker 6 2:59:22

Would Trump come do that? Would he have?

Speaker 4 2:59:24

done that Probably. How come she didn't go on Joe Rogan for a three-hour interview?

Speaker 6 2:59:30

She wanted to limit it Right, she should have she was asked to. And I'm not saying she was a perfect candidate. No, I'm not blaming her one bit because.

Speaker 4 2:59:38

I think she was behind the eight ball, right out the gate. And here's the other thing, and that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 2:59:43

She was given interview.

Speaker 3 2:59:45

Offers all the time and I know you guys don't really follow Dave Ramsey but I do and he interviewed Dave.

Speaker 5 2:59:51

Ramsey. You don't know Dave Ramsey, financial guy. He's in Rush Limbaugh.

Speaker 3 2:59:56

So anyway, he did an interview with Trump, but he also offered it to Kamala and they never responded. Per fair election law Per fair election law you have to offer it.

Speaker 5 3:00:09

That's why Saturday Night Live is getting fired.

Speaker 3 3:00:12

It's not like we offered to interview Trump and Harris and they ignored us, because we're just small town.

Speaker 4 3:00:20

Dave. Ramsey has got millions they would have been like it would have been off the charts we should have we should have fucking invited him on here, right?

Speaker 6 3:00:32

you know what?

Speaker 4 3:00:35

I bet you Trump would call in. I goddamn guarantee you if we try to figure out how to extend this courtesy to him he probably would be, like, yeah, come on, let's make sure we have the system working right first, though.

Speaker 8 3:00:46

All right.

Speaker 3 3:00:48

And Trey has to be here to lead it, and he's the one that's got to talk to him.

Speaker 6 3:00:52

Oh, I will. Oh, that would be awesome. That would be awesome. I absolutely would. That would be awesome.

Speaker 8 3:00:57

We'd have to close the post down for that one, so we could do this there, man that would be great.

Speaker 6 3:01:01

I would love to interview that guy. But, there's his invitation.

Political Views and Voting Behavior

Speaker 4 3:01:06

You know, I honestly think you know she was behind the eight ball. The unfortunate part is she spent over a billion dollars. I kept getting those messages, I think, on a lot of us that are still neutral. We might lean one way or the other, but we're still pretty. We're just Americans.

Speaker 3 3:01:23

I'm very moderate. We just want the best for the country. I'm very moderate.

Speaker 4 3:01:27

Like I say in our House races, our Senate races, I voted for Democrats this time, man, I voted for Obama before.

Speaker 3 3:01:34

I'm conservative all the way.

Speaker 4 3:01:35

I'm always right what's best for all of us. What's your policies?

Speaker 5 3:01:40

Who are you? Not me, because I think health policies are jacked.

Speaker 4 3:01:43

There's things that you can do and can't do. You can bring bills up. They get shot down. That's not your fault. You brought them up, you tried to do this and it got shot down. It's not your fault, but at least you tried. That's. What I care about is the effort. I think that her not winning a primary. I think during the Democrat primary she got like 10% of the vote or 20% of the vote or something like that. It was really low. She was not going to win a primary. I think that hurt her. Then she just got gifted all the way up to the VP. I even hate to bring this up, that DEI stuff.

Speaker 8 3:02:23

I hate to say that's what it is you should be the best person for the job, no matter what.

Speaker 4 3:02:28

It should always be the best person for the job.

Speaker 2 3:02:31

I hire that way, trey hires that way.

Speaker 4 3:02:34

Your company hires that way, right? I already looked at your credentials before I even met you, and I already knew you were the best candidate. That's the way it should always be. You do the same thing with your applications.

Speaker 2 3:02:44

You've worked at a dispo, or you're a cultivator, you're a gardener, you're whatever, with all partner, you or whatever with all this experience going in before they even meet you.

Speaker 4 3:02:51

You know you're the best candidate, yep Right, that's the way it should always be in anything. And she was just behind the eight ball man and down to here. They paid $20, $30 million to have these celebrities come out, oh Jesus Christ, and do interviews and do this.

Speaker 3 3:03:05

I'm so tired of these celebrity things.

Speaker 6 3:03:07

Who cares.

Speaker 5 3:03:11

I don't give a that might sway a few people, but I don't think it's swaying like.

Speaker 6 3:03:15

I don't give a fuck what Beyonce thinks. I don't give a fuck what Taylor Swift thinks. I don't give a shit what those people think. Matter of fact, matter of fact your job is to entertain.

Speaker 3 3:03:28

Stay in your arena.

Speaker 6 3:03:29

Matter of fact matter of fact, eminem, all of them. The job is to entertain. Stay in your arena, matter of fact. Matter of fact. Yeah, look how that worked out, eminem all of them.

Speaker 5 3:03:33

I don't give a fuck Colin Kaepernick. How'd that work out for him?

Speaker 6 3:03:36

Listen, I don't give a shit.

Speaker 5 3:03:37

What none of those people think Good player Should have kept on the field.

Speaker 6 3:03:41

Further and say this they're fucking. They're jumping in there and supporting this candidate or that candidate. That turns me off from that. So they're not actually supporting them.

Speaker 4 3:03:55

They're there to get paid.

Speaker 6 3:03:56

I know, I know that.

Speaker 4 3:03:58

They're not there other than the paycheck.

Speaker 1 3:04:00

Let's not forget that, because they would do it for free if they really cared about the person Exactly, but because they're getting paid, it's just another game.

Speaker 6 3:04:06

I mean, they paid $10 million to Beyonce, that's like you. They paid $10 million to Beyonce.

Speaker 4 3:04:11

We've got to pay you to be here because we don't like you.

Speaker 6 3:04:14

Exactly the only reason why you're going to come on, here is because you paid me. So we can argue here you go, here's payment, this is technically a fake video.

Speaker 4 3:04:23

I walked right into it. This is technically a fake video.

Speaker 3 3:04:28

I think we're all going to agree on this one that $10 million is ridiculous. But the only reason that they even have that remote amount of money is because corporations are allowed to donate politically.

Speaker 6 3:04:39

I think that is bullshit. You do, oh yeah, corporations donating.

Speaker 5 3:04:43

I go one step further, because I think when I drive by a business and I see a Harris or a Trump sign or a political sign, whatever it is, take the person out. Right Policy, not person. But when I see a political sign in a business environment, I look at that and go you're a fucking idiot. You are alienating and taking half of your business away just because of your own personal fucking thought. And look at Mike Lindell. And taking half of your business away just because of your own personal fucking thought. And look at Mike Lindell the pillow guy.

Speaker 5 3:05:19

He's a smart guy. How faffing stupid are you to lose half of your business. Well, he's a pretty smart guy, but he got tied up in something that he shouldn't have and he did something stupid. We all do stupid shit.

Speaker 3 3:05:35

And now he's not doing that great.

Speaker 4 3:05:37

You do more than the average.

Speaker 5 3:05:38

And he's struggling now because of it. Keep your damn, and this kind of goes into the these entertainers and football players and sports people and all this shit. Keep that shit to yourself.

Speaker 4 3:05:56

This goes back to the NFL. My stepdad when he run his business.

Speaker 5 3:06:00

There's no way in hell you would have ever seen a political sign in front of his business.

Speaker 4 3:06:05

And you would have never talked to him.

Speaker 5 3:06:08

If you did talk to him you would never know who he was voting for, because that was his personal thing, not his business.

Speaker 4 3:06:16

So for me, when it comes to the NFL, and I'm pretty sure Roy and probably a bunch of us here probably will agree with this as veterans. Right, don't bring politics into sports.

Speaker 2 3:06:30

Sports should always be neutral. So should a concert.

Speaker 4 3:06:35

And even here at the Post we're so neutral. We might lead one way. We always have opinions Neutral. I wouldn't say that. But at the end of the day, what do we do? We do what's in the best interest of veterans and of the Post. Regardless of what side of the aisle you're on, we always come to the middle ground. That's why we're having this conversation tonight, because what we do is we care about veteran issues.

Speaker 5 3:06:59

If you want to see the other side, you can be here. Right, right, yeah, and we wouldn't give you the opportunity to say hey, whatever.

Speaker 7 3:07:07

Because if you got served down tomorrow, we would be there to take care of your family and you're probably shocked 100%, but you should know me well enough.

Speaker 4 3:07:14

Me being the guy that's always going to be on the other side of the fence. I'm going to be the devil's advocate. You're probably surprised to hear I even voted for Democrats this year.

Speaker 6 3:07:25

No, no, Really. And the only reason I'm not is because we've talked about this before and you've said I voted for Obama twice. I've heard that before from you.

Speaker 4 3:07:36

Okay, yeah, and I did it this year. I voted for Slotkin over Rodgers. Right, there's this. I vote on the person man, I don't care. You tell me your position, you tell me why you think, what you think and if you somewhat. Try to back it up what you're telling me you're going to do. I'll vote for you the next time. If you tried and maybe you couldn't get it to go through.

Speaker 3 3:07:57

We've said several times so far that we take the person out of the politics and we vote on the issues, and I said to you that I am liberal on health care policy.

Speaker 4 3:08:08

I'm definitely socially liberal.

Speaker 3 3:08:10

For sure, fiscally conservative, but socially I don't care if you want a hundred potatoes. That's why I voted for Obama.

Speaker 5 3:08:17

So you're more libertarian then?

Speaker 4 3:08:19

really yeah, and the reason why is because I don't want to see this yeah but the problem in our two-party fucked up.

Speaker 7 3:08:25

System is libertarian will never ever have a chance, I agree.

Speaker 4 3:08:28

That's the problem.

Speaker 7 3:08:32

But if you go through, like my wife reads, it's like the party of women voter candidates, Women's League kind of thing. They go through and they interview all these candidates statewide. They try and get their views and their opinions. And you go through and you read some of these third party green and libert. Read some of these third party you know green and libertarian and so like all these other candidates 100% agree with everything they say.

Speaker 7 3:08:56

And you're sitting there like man. This person aligns exactly with me, but that person will never ever, ever stand a chance in this stupid two parties.

Speaker 4 3:09:07

So did you see the way Germany votes? So you kind of rank when you go to vote Ranked choice voting.

Speaker 3 3:09:14

You kind of rank choice voting?

Speaker 4 3:09:15

One, two, three. It's so weird. Well, it might even be five six, seven, eight and the person this round with the less votes gets eliminated.

Speaker 2 3:09:23

The next round of voting.

Speaker 4 3:09:24

So, like you go through and your ballot you put like this is my number one person, my number two person, my number two person, and they take that ballot.

Speaker 5 3:09:32

Oh, and they do a round-robin tally it's almost like a round-robin. Interesting.

Speaker 1 3:09:36

Yeah, so like if you put the.

Speaker 4 3:09:38

Libertarian as your one, and a bunch of people did it. They might knock out the next person and the next person. It takes forever for the voting to go through, but you rank every single person and then your vote automatically goes to your second or third choice.

Speaker 3 3:09:52

That's wild. It's weird the way it works.

Speaker 5 3:09:54

One of the smartest guys I went to when I was at mid one of the smartest instructors that. I had he was going first doctorate. He's got his doctorate now. He was libertarian and we would sit for hours in his office after class and discuss this shit, but we're a two-party country.

Speaker 4 3:10:15

And debated, voting for the lesser of two evil.

Speaker 7 3:10:17

Essentially yeah, If you go with that third party, you're throwing away a Modi system.

Speaker 3 3:10:23

There is a new party that's forming, it's in the process and they call it the Forward Party and that party as a whole is, was the Obama slogan, was Ford Hope and change. Hope and change.

Speaker 4 3:10:39

Maybe that was. Was it Clinton's?

Speaker 3 3:10:41

I don't know.

Speaker 4 3:10:44

Somebody had Ford.

Speaker 3 3:10:45

But anyway, they're saying that the Forward Party combines liberals and conservatives, but their party platform calls for ranked choice voting.

Speaker 4 3:10:56

That'd be interesting. Don't we have a state that does that? I think Maine does.

Speaker 5 3:11:03

New Mexico. I've never heard of that before. Wow, that's pretty wild.

Speaker 4 3:11:08

So if you have six people running for president Obama, your forward was Obama, your forward was Obama, forward was Obama. I thought somebody had forward.

Speaker 3 3:11:16

Hey type in states that do ranked choice voting. I thought we had one.

Speaker 4 3:11:21

I've never heard that. I know, germany does it that way. That's interesting.

Speaker 3 3:11:26

And then the UK has an interesting one. They don't do ranked choice voting but by national popular vote, like how they, because they've got like five different parties, but who you know. For us we have the two parties, but however many seats is allotted based on who gets the votes, I don't care if you use Wikipedia.

Speaker 5 3:11:48

So how many do you guys think Kennedy would have had any chance at all if he didn't have such a speech in federal?

Speaker 4 3:11:54

I thought we had one that doesn't.

Speaker 3 3:11:56

Alaska some statewide elections? I don't know.

Speaker 5 3:12:00

Because, a lot of the things he said made a ton of sense, but it was so difficult to listen to it.

Speaker 3 3:12:08

You almost kicked that down again.

Speaker 5 3:12:14

Listen, I'm way past your bedtime I'll probably have to get going.

Speaker 6 3:12:17

I want to leave you guys with this.

Speaker 5 3:12:21

This is honestly. Is it from?

Speaker 6 3:12:22

the heart. That's what I wanted to say. It is from the heart. This is why I will never vote for Trump and never support him.

Speaker 5 3:12:29

This is where it started, he's done. Good for you, man, you don't have to. This is where it started, he's done, I know, man. He's done. Good for you, man, you don't have to worry yet We'll see.

Speaker 6 3:12:35

We'll see. I'm going to play this, I'm going to play this, and I just want you guys to hear it.

Speaker 5 3:12:42

Is this a country music, John?

Speaker 9 3:12:44

Oh boy, trump makes my life difficult. 15,000 crazies show up, crazies. He called them all crazy. I said they weren't crazy. They were great Americans, these people. If you would have seen these people, you I know what crazy is. I know all about crazies.

Speaker 9 3:12:59

These weren't crazy, so he insulted me and he insulted everybody in that room and I said somebody should run against John McCain, who has been, you know, in my opinion, not so hot. And I supported him. I supported him for president. I raised a million dollars for him. It's a lot of money. I supported him. He lost, he let us down. So I became boys against the police, so I never liked him as much after that because I don't like him as much. But Frank, Frank, let me get to it. He hit me, he's not a war hero.

Speaker 5 3:13:26

He's a war hero.

Speaker 9 3:13:27

He's a war hero because he was captured. Put it on the speaker. I like people that weren't captured, okay, I hate to tell you he was a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured.

Speaker 6 3:13:37

I like war heroes that were not captured, john McCain also turned his back on us, yeah.

Speaker 4 3:13:44

John McCain should have just switched parties.

Speaker 5 3:13:46

McCain's shitting on him bigger than his daughter did Are. Are you talking?

Speaker 3 3:13:48

about this right here, do you?

Speaker 5 3:13:52

realize.

Speaker 6 3:13:53

The thumbs down that John McCain.

Speaker 4 3:13:56

I didn't even vote for John McCain. As a veteran, do you realize? John McCain told.

Speaker 5 3:14:03

Sarah Palin to quit campaigning because she was becoming more popular than him.

Speaker 6 3:14:10

I never heard that yeah she was not even allowed.

Speaker 5 3:14:13

She had to quit campaigning here in Michigan because she was doing better than him and it pissed him off.

Speaker 4 3:14:20

So let me ask you a question Before you walk out what do you think about JD Vance as a veteran?

Speaker 5 3:14:27

Fucking jarhead.

Speaker 4 3:14:29

Yeah, he was just a photo journalist or whatever the fuck he was, but still, he still served overseas. So, shit I'd love him to. If you're listening to this, join Post 33.

Speaker 5 3:14:39

I like him actually.

Speaker 4 3:14:40

We will make you a life member.

Speaker 5 3:14:42

I listened to a lot of the things he said.

Speaker 4 3:14:45

I'm just curious because, as a veteran on the other side, I want to know what he feels about it.

Speaker 6 3:14:49

I watched his debate with with Walz and I was like Jesus Christ, why can't we have these two fucking running versus the two we?

Speaker 2 3:14:58

have. Give it four more years.

Speaker 4 3:15:01

Well, you know what the good thing is In four years, you'll have one of those two running.

McCain's Voting and Gold Star Families

Speaker 6 3:15:06

I can tell you that.

Speaker 7 3:15:07

McCain voted at least 28 times against veterans' benefits, including health care. Mccain was the only senator in America to skip the vote on the 21st century GI. Bill McCain opposed the $500 million bill for counseling services for veterans with mental health disorders attributed to the military service. Mccain voted against $44.3 billion for veterans' programs and McCain voted against $47 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Speaker 6 3:15:33

So he's, a fucking loser Hold on. I'm going to hit you with. That's all out of context. Is what you guys always say no, no, it's not.

Speaker 5 3:15:40

Those are facts.

Speaker 6 3:15:41

We don't know why he did what he did. It doesn't matter. He still voted against us. But here's the.

Speaker 5 3:15:46

Thing.

Speaker 4 3:15:47

Here's an Uncle Tom, but that's a mystery. Here's an Uncle Tom Whoa, whoa, whoa John. Uncle Tom McKay.

Speaker 3 3:15:52

Hold on, I'm going to play devil's advocate. So if he did vote against us because of whatever reason, the reason is going to be because he didn't agree with the rest of the bill which is also a major issue on Capitol Hill, where they just like to pack the freaking pig and then pass it through to save time because none of them want to do their jobs. I agree.

Speaker 6 3:16:16

Here's my thing. You can think what you want about John McCain as far as his record as a senator or whatever. He was Congressman, senator, he was a senator, but here is an undeniable fact that John McCain was a fucking war hero.

Speaker 5 3:16:34

He was a hero. All six of us in this room are a war hero, except for.

Speaker 6 3:16:41

Tech.

Speaker 5 3:16:42

I'm just joking. Okay, there's some exceptions to every rule.

Speaker 6 3:16:45

I'm joking, but you know.

Speaker 3 3:16:49

John McCain.

Speaker 2 3:16:51

I'm just glad I got through that joke.

Speaker 5 3:16:53

Maybe not to that extent.

Speaker 3 3:16:55

For Donald.

Speaker 4 3:16:56

Fucking nurse. We'll allow you in nurse. Male nurse, Medic Mercy Gaylord fucker.

Speaker 6 3:17:06

That's actually been his name For Donald Trump, who never served anything but his fucking self in his whole life, and his kids never served nothing. For him to denigrate the service of one of our, in my opinion, one of our greatest war heroes and I say that because he was a fucking POW for years and years and years, I'll agree with that For him to denigrate that man in his service unforgivable, unforgivable in my opinion.

Speaker 4 3:17:42

So the other thing and maybe this is the reason why he said what he said is when that war hero turns his back on his own, maybe it's justified for those comments there's a reason why I didn't vote for John McCain because of the way he turned his back on us. As one of us, I agree, Right. So you want to call Candace Owens and Uncle Tom.

Speaker 6 3:18:06

Right.

Speaker 4 3:18:06

Because, she turns her back on you guys, right. Touche we see it the same way when John McCain turns his back on us Get fucked.

Speaker 6 3:18:15

Now okay, he turned his back on us. He didn't turn his back on Donald Trump, because Donald Trump never served.

Speaker 1 3:18:24

He doesn't know nothing about serving.

Speaker 6 3:18:27

But I can assure you of this Donald Trump did not know about John McCain's voting record when he said what he said. Are you sure I'm absolutely, fucking, 100% positive?

Speaker 4 3:18:39

I would doubt that, because that guy's a lot smarter than what you think he is.

Speaker 2 3:18:42

I highly doubt that. I really would highly doubt that I would too.

Speaker 6 3:18:45

Nope, so the fact that you're going to, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 8 3:19:02

We're going to wait for your theories to come down. I see the spaceship, so, so so the you know, I just noticed something I kind of like the color of his sweatshirt.

Speaker 5 3:19:08

Not only that, but it's a Republican red yeah, I'm a gift you all want.

Speaker 7 3:19:16

Still waiting on my hat Six years ago.

Speaker 6 3:19:22

There was that instance. Right there was him with the Gold Star family and insulting the Gold Star family. Who did Trump? I would love to see that.

Speaker 5 3:19:31

Gold Star family. Who did Trump? Yeah, I would love to see that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 3:19:35

The Khan family. The Khan family. I would like to know what that is Trump and the Khan family, so I had a gentleman I work with.

Speaker 4 3:19:44

I'd love to hear it, because I don't know this I had a gentleman I worked with the other day that told me that he heard a video.

Speaker 5 3:19:53

Or he heard I don't know if he's seen the video or what of jd uh vance bashing women or something of that nature, and I says, well, wait a minute, where was that video because I didn't see that. Maybe I need to, you know. Yeah yeah, my thought process here and he goes well I I'm not sure where it's at here and he goes well, I'm not sure where it's at, so you don't have any recollection of this video whatsoever, but yet you're going to tell this to me.

Speaker 5 3:20:21

I still don't know the video that he's referring to, because he didn't have any contact to him, but he spouted it off because it's something he heard on whatever he heard.

Speaker 3 3:20:31

I'm not saying this is a biased person, because I do hear usually one side of the news, which is why I committed to do the ground news thing.

Speaker 5 3:20:41

Yeah, because I want to know these things.

Speaker 3 3:20:43

I do.

Speaker 5 3:20:44

If this is the case, because I know there's been a lot of things that Trump has said kind of like oh love the poorly educated.

Speaker 4 3:20:52

Well, if you hear it in no, that was Biden and Kamala Harris that said that.

Speaker 5 3:20:57

No, I heard it. Sean Hannity plays it every day in his intro. I think when you get to, all of that was Unfortunately I don't know, so I looked it up one day. I looked it up and he was saying I love people and the poorly educated, I love the poorly educated. He was meaning people. He wasn't bashing people because they were uneducated. It was a bad way to say what he was trying to say yes, but it wasn't taken and said the way he said it, it's always taken out of context.

Speaker 7 3:21:32

It's taken out of context, I think it's just like and all those upper echelons of the politics, though, I mean the military, is just used as a pawn. Oh, of course you know what? Usually is you can go back to Biden with the Afghanistan ordeal when he's standing at the funerals and he's looking at his watches like in, hurry up, get this shit over with. Yep, they've all done it, man. Yep, yeah, they'll always do it, fortunately, and they can, they will yeah.

Speaker 4 3:21:56

They'll always do it.

Speaker 7 3:21:57

It's not going to stop.

Speaker 5 3:21:58

Well, it's just like I said. I don't know if I mentioned earlier if it was on the podcast or not, but 85% of the news coverage of Trump is negative to 72%, and I may have the numbers a little off, but it's pretty damn close. But 72% of what was covered with Harris was positive. When you have that huge of a swing, that one is negative and one is positive.

Speaker 4 3:22:20

You look at the view to this day. The view is terrible. You get that sunny lady on there going what's wrong? Who the fuck watches the view a lot of people because they're still on fucking TV. If that show wasn't in viewership, I can't say what's wrong. Who the fuck?

Speaker 2 3:22:32

watches the View A lot of people, because they're still on fucking TV If that show wasn't in viewership.

Speaker 6 3:22:34

I can't say that I've ever, ever watched the Fucking View.

Speaker 4 3:22:38

But you get Sonny on there bitching and complaining that America's fucked up and this is the problem, and that's the problem.

Speaker 5 3:22:45

Whoopi Goldberg and all that.

Speaker 4 3:22:48

Here's the issue Back, but here's the issue.

Speaker 6 3:22:50

Back to the con.

Speaker 4 3:22:51

Somebody comes on that wants to answer this. I love the gold star comment. Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 8 3:22:55

He just said that he was talking to the widow of Army Sergeant David Johnson. He knew what he signed up for, but I guess it still hurt. That's what I'm seeing, then he knew what he signed up for.

Speaker 6 3:23:09

That's not the con thing. But.

Speaker 4 3:23:10

I guess it still hurts.

Speaker 8 3:23:12

Yeah, there's the Gold Star family.

Speaker 6 3:23:15

But there was another Gold Star family, the Khans. That doesn't sound bad.

Speaker 4 3:23:17

So essentially, we all did the same thing. I mean for all the viewers on live tonight or the people that listen to this right. So I am for my family. I am the last of the generation. Now. I have my son right. My parents had to sign the waiver and I had to sign the waiver before I went to Iraq.

Speaker 2 3:23:35

Right.

Speaker 4 3:23:35

And Bahrain. That said, if I die, right, it's like the saving private rights thing, right, there's one left right. We had to sign the waiver for me to go saying if I'm killed, the lineage of my family dies with me. Yeah, right Now it dies with me. Right now it dies with my son. He better have a whole bunch of boys. So for him I'm like dude, you better get the wick dipping.

Speaker 1 3:23:57

Let's get her going.

Speaker 5 3:23:58

My family's gone.

Speaker 4 3:24:00

But what I'm saying is my sister.

Speaker 5 3:24:03

She loses the name. I didn't have any kids. My oldest brother had a daughter. My second brother had two daughters. I have a daughter. I brother had two daughters. I mean is one and I have a daughter.

Speaker 3 3:24:15

I don't have a son, so my name ends you know, yep, and I don't know. You know, and my in my dad's daughter actually.

Speaker 1 3:24:24

Jen, my dad's other brother, jen just messaged about the no next to kid.

Speaker 2 3:24:34

Right, so we all signed up, knowing what could happen.

Speaker 4 3:24:39

I didn't expect it because we didn't have a war going on Right, but still when I had to deploy in 2000 to go over there.

Speaker 5 3:24:45

We had to sign that stuff. What is this gold star? What did you find?

Speaker 8 3:24:52

K-A-H-N-I-F-A-N-S.

Speaker 5 3:24:54

I found the New York Times article. Yeah.

Speaker 6 3:24:57

Donald Trump belittled the parents of a slain Muslim soldier who had strongly denounced Mr Trump during the Democratic National Convention, saying that the soldier's father had delivered the entire speech because his mother was not allowed to speak, which is their culture. Trust me, the soldier's father had delivered the entire speech because his mother was not allowed to speak.

Speaker 4 3:25:13

So, um Well, which is their culture? Trust me, For all of us that have been over there, we all know.

Speaker 5 3:25:20

I'm not hearing where Trump. What did Trump? Say what did he do?

Speaker 6 3:25:23

I didn't hear yeah, we're waiting. Just relax God, it's just so much.

Speaker 4 3:25:28

Put your ADHD in the back pocket.

Speaker 5 3:25:30

Gotta have it right now, mr.

Speaker 6 3:25:31

Trump's comments in an interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News that will air on Sunday drew quick and widespread condemnation and amplified calls for Republican leaders to distance themselves from their presidential nominee, with his implication that soldiers' mothers had not smoked because of female subservience expected in some traditional strains of Islam. His comments also inflamed his hostilities with American Muslims. Qasir Khan, the soldier's father, lashed out at Mr Trump in an interview on Saturday, saying his wife had not spoken at the convention because it was too painful for her to talk about her son's death, mr Trump said. Mr Trump, he said, is devoid of feeling the pain of a mother who has sacrificed her son. True.

Speaker 4 3:26:22

So wait a minute, I'm going to stop you, right there real quick. I mean that's kind of pretty it is. That's a bullshit article because we all know. When I was in Bahrain 100% fact and I don't care what you tell me I watched two adult men older than me by far, so they were in their 40s probably and I was in my 20s holding hands walking down the street and their wives in full burqa, just eyes showing, walking several, several steps behind them.

Speaker 4 3:26:55

They are subservient. So if they're truly Muslim, she's not going to pull up to a microphone and say a fucking word. That is not her job, not her place or nothing in their culture. And if we're supposed to be accepting of other cultures and the way they do things. Any liberal should 100% agree. She shouldn't say a fucking word and she shouldn't even be seen in public. She should be cloaked in 10 steps behind her husband.

Speaker 5 3:27:22

That's her place in our culture, that's in their culture.

Speaker 4 3:27:25

Absolutely so. What he said is 100% true. I've seen it, I've been there, and unless a motherfucker has been there and walked in the shoes that I was in or been there, they have no right to say what they want to say. Just like I shouldn't say what a woman's reproductive rights are because I'm a male, I don't have it either.

Speaker 6 3:27:45

I'm cool. If they want to abort kids, I don't complain about that. So you and the Supreme Court should not be. Men in the Supreme Court should not be deciding what women do with their bodies.

Speaker 4 3:27:55

No, what they do is they give that right to the voters of the states to decide what they want to do.

Speaker 5 3:28:00

That goes back to the peak.

Speaker 4 3:28:02

Now here's the issue. So say it's a male issue. Should females be able to vote in that?

Speaker 6 3:28:08

No, has that ever came up?

Speaker 4 3:28:13

No, but I'm just saying if it is right. So you're saying reproductive rights are women, but we all have the right to vote. So now where do we make the distinction on who can vote on what? Because, no offense, I own my house. So does that mean my wife gets to vote on property taxes or anything else? She's not the owner of the house. I'm the owner of the house. So somebody lives in an apartment building or you're renters, like Merck. Should he be able to vote on property taxes or anything else.

Speaker 1 3:28:39

He's a renter. He's not the owner he doesn't pay him.

Speaker 4 3:28:41

He does right. No, he doesn't. He can vote. He's not the owner of the property.

Speaker 6 3:28:45

I know he's not, but he can vote right he should be able to, because he's not the owner.

Speaker 4 3:28:50

I'm not the owner of a uterus, but does that mean I don't get the right to vote on it? How do you make that decision? Exactly my point, right.

Speaker 1 3:28:57

So you're going to make a decision.

Speaker 4 3:28:59

You're going to make a decision on. Can a guy in the Supreme Court make a decision for a woman? Should it only be the women on the Supreme Court that make the decision? Should it only be the women voters in the state of Michigan make the decision? Yeah, okay, so if you live in an apartment.

Speaker 8 3:29:14

I can see this going really bad, and I'll give you an example of that.

Debating Reproductive Rights and Parenthood

Speaker 4 3:29:16

But I mean, if you live in an apartment, you shouldn't vote on what my taxes are.

Speaker 5 3:29:20

What about helmet law? I pay them. If you don't ride a motorcycle, should you get to vote on whether or not you wear a helmet when you ride your motorcycle?

Speaker 4 3:29:27

You're sober. Do You're sober? Do you get to vote on what the DUI laws are Because you don't drink? I mean, we could hack this thing to death. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 3 3:29:36

So you can't say that some people can vote on some things and people can't vote on other things.

Speaker 6 3:29:42

Right, but nobody knows. I mean us as men.

Speaker 4 3:29:46

I wish we had a woman up here. Well, we need to get Krista up here. I'd love to have Krista up here, but she's got like three kids. Yeah, it's crazy as a single mom, right? Yeah, with twins, yeah, have her vote in.

Speaker 5 3:29:59

Have her call in.

Speaker 3 3:30:00

Natalie says you should run for president Me. Yeah, I don't know. That's what she said. Ask her.

Speaker 4 3:30:05

Why, Natalie? Why should I run? Because I'm really curious.

Speaker 3 3:30:08

How important 2020? How not and here's the other thing about like taking Merck, for example, as your renter. If he pays for a higher property tax, he's definitely my VP, for sure. Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 3:30:19

You ain't even going to get outranked.

Speaker 4 3:30:22

Absolutely Negative. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Didn't we talk about the house guys earlier?

Speaker 6 3:30:32

Hey, why did you?

Speaker 4 3:30:32

got to bring me into this. It won't be me. Wait a minute, why do you?

Speaker 5 3:30:34

got to bring me into this.

Speaker 4 3:30:35

No, no, I'm talking about the house, boys. We're going back to the slave, the house, His last name House. Yeah, I know I get what you're saying, man, you need to put those landing coogles down. You're getting turned up.

Speaker 5 3:30:49

You go back in there and get those bushes, natalie.

Speaker 6 3:30:55

Hold up, Natalie. You know what Charlie's first order of business is going to do he's going to deport your ass back to where you came from.

Speaker 4 3:31:04

No, no, wait a minute. I'm not saying that. Don't look at me. I have no idea what the circumstances are. How do you know she's?

Speaker 6 3:31:14

an illegal. What's that? Because her last name is Lopez, she's not illegal.

Speaker 4 3:31:17

Oh, this is Ray's wife.

Speaker 6 3:31:19

She's not yet Manly.

Speaker 4 3:31:19

Lopez. All right, then. Hopefully you and Ray and little Benji are watching tonight. Awesome yeah.

Speaker 3 3:31:26

No, 100%.

Speaker 4 3:31:27

And these are those open-ass conversations we've got to have Going back to using Merck as an example.

Speaker 3 3:31:32

If he votes for millage or whatever on property tax, you are going to raise his rent to cover that right, so indirectly. But he's not Right Because he's not on the deed.

Speaker 4 3:31:44

Hmm, not on the deed, you have to. So I'm the father, I'm the father of your kid okay, I'm the father of your kid.

Speaker 7 3:31:49

Okay, trey, you fucked up.

Speaker 4 3:31:54

What gives you the right to abort my kid? What gives you the right to kill my kid? Because here's the instance. Okay, I've had a couple beers tonight and I drive home and I crash into a car and I kill a pregnant woman and her child. Do I get charged as double homicide or single homicide? The argument is is that a kid? Or not, I don't know, because if you can abort it at six weeks and you're not getting charged with murder.

Speaker 4 3:32:18

It's not a kid. You can abort it at 24 weeks and it's not a kid because you're not charged with murder for aborting your kid. But I kill you at 24 weeks in a car accident. I get charged with double murder. That's true, because you're pregnant, so you can't have it both ways. Okay, I get charged with double murder. That's true Because you're pregnant, so you can't have it both ways. Okay, I should only be charged with one. How about?

Speaker 6 3:32:37

this? How about this? How about this If you're drunk driving and you kill the mother and the baby, but she was on her way to the abortion clinic? Are you still getting the charge.

Speaker 3 3:32:53

Can we stop splitting hairs here? We've got to figure it out. These are the issues.

Speaker 2 3:33:00

It's not cut and dry.

Speaker 4 3:33:02

No, it's not. It always, unfortunately, shades. Your wife gets pregnant. She wants to abort the baby, but you want to be a father. Why don't you have rights to say but you want to be a father. So why don't you have rights to say, no, I want to be a dad.

Speaker 5 3:33:14

Well, that's the original Roe v Wade. Right there, that's the original Roe v Wade.

Speaker 4 3:33:19

So she gets to determine if you need to become a father or not.

Speaker 5 3:33:23

So what about? Let's flip that coin, though. What if the woman wants the child and the man doesn't? Where's his right to abort, to walk away? It's not. He doesn't have that right.

Speaker 4 3:33:34

Now you're on the hook for 18 years.

Speaker 5 3:33:35

Yeah, but he doesn't have that right.

Speaker 4 3:33:38

It's so shaded and this is unfortunate, but this is the conversation that has to be happening. Is that it's so shaded to whatever the woman wants?

Speaker 2 3:33:46

not ever to what the father wants.

Speaker 4 3:33:48

So you talk about father's rights compared to mother's rights or whatever. Yep, you know these are those tough conversations as veterans or as Americans we have to have, because everything is slanted always one way too heavy than the other.

Speaker 5 3:34:02

And yeah, it's always a one-way slant no matter what it is. It shouldn't be.

Speaker 3 3:34:07

The other thing. There is a comment from Tab. We've got to define what it means to be alive. Is it a heartbeat, brain function, et cetera, et cetera. So one of the things that what's his?

Speaker 5 3:34:20

name, so that gets into.

Speaker 3 3:34:21

Kevorkian Rand Paul I think it's Rand Paul. Yeah, Rand Paul, he's consistently in every Congress has put forth the Life at Conception Act. Okay, Meaning that? Federally it would be recognized that life is defined as conception. But when's that happening? I don't know. But the point is we're splitting hairs, and that's another question.

Speaker 5 3:34:49

And that's why Charlie mentioned something about eight weeks or six weeks earlier and he said, no, that's not long enough. Yeah, that's another question, and that's why Charlie mentioned something about eight weeks or six weeks earlier and he says, no, that's not long enough.

Speaker 4 3:34:55

Yeah, that's exactly what Trump said. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 3:34:58

But me personally, when you're talking about defining what life means. So in biology class, we learned about how cells separate, reproduce and separate into more cells, right, Would you say? Or not say that that cell is alive to some degree?

Speaker 4 3:35:14

Well, so let me ask you a question, and is that also not?

Speaker 3 3:35:16

how a child is formed, even at the earliest stages.

Speaker 4 3:35:20

So I would have to go back to a scientist that looks at enzymes or something else. At what point does a scientist determine an enzyme that splits or does whatever become a living being? Right? Is it cells that divide? Is it whatever?

Speaker 8 3:35:35

Well, haven't they already kind of defined this when we started looking under space? We look at another planet. How do they define there's life on that planet?

Speaker 4 3:35:42

Yeah, one set of organisms. Yeah, it's a bunch of organisms, our life.

Speaker 8 3:35:45

So why isn't there the same definition?

Speaker 7 3:35:49

We got a comment from Natalie Uh-oh. We got a comment from Natalie Uh oh. She says can women tell you to get a vasectomy because she doesn't want to take birth control? Boom.

Speaker 4 3:35:59

We can, but there's options, right, there's a thousand ways to beat this dead horse. Either don't have sex, wear a condom, wear a dam.

Speaker 6 3:36:09

Condoms don't always work.

Speaker 5 3:36:10

Condoms don't always work, and this is my argument there's only one tried and true way to prevent birth.

Speaker 2 3:36:20

And that is.

Speaker 5 3:36:20

Anal no no no.

Speaker 2 3:36:23

No, no, no no.

Speaker 3 3:36:26

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, he's wrong. He is wrong. There is a documented case of anal leading to pregnancy. There is a documented case.

Speaker 4 3:36:37

It's my son Andrew. What about in the mouth? I apologize. Oh, Jen, listen to me, I am Amy. Amy, if he's listening too.

Speaker 6 3:36:46

That was a good one. I was getting somewhere.

Speaker 2 3:36:49

I blew it up.

Speaker 6 3:36:50

Okay so. I remember. Now Natalie said can women tell you?

Speaker 2 3:37:00

you're going to get a vasectomy.

Speaker 4 3:37:03

I'm going to get a text from you.

Speaker 5 3:37:05

Yeah, your shit's going to blow up in a minute Nice knowing you man Nice knowing you man.

Speaker 3 3:37:13

So listen. His phone starts buzzing. You're like, oh shit.

Speaker 4 3:37:15

If I'm hanging from the Trump 2024 flag.

Speaker 5 3:37:20

There goes Charlie. 2028.

Speaker 3 3:37:24

Sorry, natalie got to choose somebody else. He's not going to make it. He's not going to make it.

Speaker 6 3:37:29

And this is my problem with where we're heading with this movement. Right, it's going towards these religious fundamentalists. Sorry, Brett, but it's going towards that. Hold on.

Speaker 4 3:37:45

You're a church guy, I know I can tell you this. He's not, I can tell you this.

Speaker 6 3:37:50

I can tell you this that in Poland, where there are a bunch of religious fundamentalists, that it is illegal for a woman to go in and say I need my tubes tied Illegal, but you and I as men Luckily we don't live in Poland, you and I as men, but this is where we're going you and I, as men, can go in there and say I want a vasectomy, no problem, no bullshit. That's the way it is and that's the way it's heading in this country because the religious fundamentalists.

Speaker 6 3:38:22

Brent, they want to do. Not only do they want to do away with Church attendance is down.

Speaker 5 3:38:28

Where the hell are you?

Speaker 6 3:38:30

Not only do they want to do away with abortion, they want to do away with contraception period no condoms, no birth control.

Speaker 5 3:38:40

You're out here on the way out to the street.

Speaker 4 3:38:43

Because Trump actually came out and said I'm going to make it mandatory that your insurance company pays for.

Speaker 6 3:38:49

If Trump told you he had a 12-inch penis, would you?

Speaker 5 3:38:53

believe it, he'd be out of his need.

Speaker 2 3:38:56

So fast you wouldn't believe it.

Speaker 4 3:38:58

Stop.

Speaker 3 3:39:00

The ACA did that. Obamacare mandated contraceptive coverage, and it wasn't until the case with Hobby Lobby that they had the choice to decide whether or not their coverage would do it or not. So, in other words, they had the choice to decide whether or not their coverage would do it or not. So, in other words, they put the choice in the hands of the people who are paying for the coverage. You've got to follow the money, man.

Speaker 4 3:39:21

Okay, so here's the deal. Here's the deal. Tell them about the money. It's always about the money. And listen, I hope I'm wrong. And when?

Speaker 2 3:39:25

they want to ban anything federally.

Speaker 6 3:39:28

They always. I hope I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 3:39:33

You will be wrong.

Speaker 3 3:39:33

No, I mean to be honest with you. When they want to ban anything federally, they always ban the use of federal dollars. They don't ban the action, they ban the use of money. Yes, right, Without money you're nothing.

Speaker 5 3:39:43

Pull the purse strings. Baby Prostitution here's the issue with the.

Speaker 1 3:39:47

Hobby Lobby decision.

Speaker 4 3:39:50

Your employer is paying your health care If they decide we're religious. We're not going to abide by these things, Okay. As the employee what are your options? Either I continue to work there and pay my own way, or I leave and work somewhere else.

Speaker 3 3:40:09

Or go to your local. You have an option. Or go to your local.

Speaker 4 3:40:11

You have an option or go to your local health department and get free contraception. So I actually screwed with Andrew.

Speaker 3 3:40:20

Or Planned Parenthood.

Speaker 4 3:40:21

I went on to Central Michigan Community Health or whatever it was and you can send anonymous packages. So I got a bunch of his buddies' addresses right packages. So I got a bunch of his buddies addresses right and I went online and I filled out like for free condoms, free lube, free STD tests and I sent them to all his buddies. Oh, I did. I sent them to all his buddies when they were like 16 or 17 years old and they were like their parents were on Facebook. I was on.

Speaker 1 3:40:48

Facebook years ago going.

Speaker 4 3:40:48

Jesus Christ. We got this package from Community.

Speaker 1 3:40:50

Middle Health, so I knew the kid's name. They, their parents, were on.

Speaker 4 3:40:51

Facebook. When I was on Facebook years ago going Jesus Christ, we got this package from Community Mental Health. The kids named it. They opened it. It was like a bunch of lube and condoms.

Speaker 8 3:40:59

And.

Speaker 4 3:40:59

STD tests and shit.

Speaker 8 3:41:01

It was the best prank ever.

Speaker 4 3:41:04

It was the best prank ever. All right, damn it.

Speaker 5 3:41:07

You ever?

Speaker 4 3:41:08

said that before.

Speaker 1 3:41:10

I hope Jen is watching, She'll be like that's legit that just

Speaker 5 3:41:15

convinced me right there, client 2028, I'm voting for that motherfucker.

Speaker 7 3:41:20

You just go in and fill out the room for me.

Speaker 4 3:41:22

It was great.

Speaker 5 3:41:23

Client for president. That just tipped me over. Man, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 3:41:28

That's what you do man, come on, man, you've got to mess with everybody.

Speaker 5 3:41:32

Oh my God, that's what you do, man. I mean, come on, man, you gotta mess with. I mess with everybody equally right. Oh my god, that's hilarious. That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.

Speaker 4 3:41:35

Yeah do it, that's awesome. I mean even do it to your brother today so and I can, you can still do it and that's awesome you were talking about religious fundamentalists.

Speaker 3 3:41:45

I want to talk about this because it is 10 o'clock and I don't know why y'all, but I got to get out of here.

Speaker 8 3:41:50

Yeah, we're like almost four hours.

Speaker 2 3:41:52

Yeah, we're almost four hours on this one.

Speaker 3 3:41:53

So I can tell you from the perspective of the we could keep going.

Speaker 4 3:41:59

No, it's easy to go another two hours. Yeah, I got to go. Exactly so from the perspective of, we got 10 more minutes.

Speaker 3 3:42:18

Obviously, I can't speak for the Catholic Church as a whole, but I can speak as a layperson and I can say that the catechism specifically defines the church teaching right. The church teaches that life is at conception, that essentially natural law which was bestowed by God when he created us. He created it for a reason. That's how the church sees it and that's why they don't allow contraception. Created it for a reason. That's how the church sees it and that's why they don't allow contraception. Do people use it? Of course they do. You can't even pull out the church's opinion. No, you can't. You can't. It's called onism. It's named after a guy in the Old Testament, but that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 4 3:42:47

I thought that was called sulking. Maybe it's a different religion, I don't know. I thought that was called sulking.

Speaker 3 3:42:50

Maybe it's a different religion, I don't know, but the whole idea is that you're supposed to, you're called on to vote how your beliefs are supposed to, and then you've got the whole term of cafeteria Catholic. I'll take this, I'll take this because I agree with it, but I deny that, and so you've got that kind of going on too.

Speaker 3 3:43:12

But the main point is you're supposed to follow it right, just like any other religion, and if you ever look at a copy of the Catechism you can look up literally anything. It's like an encyclopedia and it just is paragraphs and it just kind of talks about why things are. It's not just you can't do this. It's why I feel like this is Scientology.

Speaker 3 3:43:34

When you talk about contraception, it talks about how natural law is the way of the land, and that's why they practice natural family planning, which is much more than just tracking and all that. It's way more than that, and I don't know anything about that really.

Speaker 4 3:43:54

Real quick, I'm starting my truck. You have less than 10 minutes I'm going to start my car.

Speaker 6 3:44:00

I'm very interested in what you're saying. I am God damn it. I wish we had more time.

Speaker 4 3:44:06

We can always do another one next week. We can do another one in two weeks. We can do another one whenever we're rolling up on four hours.

Speaker 5 3:44:16

Which is insane for a podcast, and remember we only get so many hours per month and the thing is, we can keep going.

Speaker 3 3:44:21

We can easily keep going.

Speaker 5 3:44:23

This has been an awesome conversation.

Speaker 8 3:44:25

This is what the Brotherhood's about. We only get six hours a month.

Speaker 6 3:44:29

But see, I brought the dissenting opinion.

Speaker 2 3:44:32

Which we appreciate.

Speaker 4 3:44:36

You're not even dissenting opinion, because I voted for your side too, for Alyssa Slotkin.

Speaker 5 3:44:50

The thing that there is more that unites us than divides us.

Speaker 4 3:45:00

I just want to leave that. So here's the thing. At the end of the day, regardless of whichever the aisle you lie on, if whoever it is that you vote for is doing what's in the best interest of veterans, that's all I care about, right? So it comes down to Americanism, right? So if they believe in what America is about and they're there to support us, like we supported them during our service, to be honest with you 100%, I don't care what letters behind your name is a Michigan senator, a Michigan congressman, president of the United States, whatever I don't care. We served, we did our obligation and if you support us, you'll always have my support. Yep, okay, at the end of the day, we get shafted. You keep hitting that. At the end of the day, we get shafted. We get shafted exactly the same way that Social Security gets shafted. The first thing to get cut is veterans' benefits and all these different things.

Speaker 3 3:46:03

And again, it's a mandate that happens every year.

Speaker 4 3:46:06

I know it's unfortunate. So, regardless of where your political ideals lie, we have to take care of veterans. It so, regardless of where your political ideals lie, we have to take care of veterans. That's what the VFW is about. That's what we are as veterans are about Taking care of each other and making sure, at the end of the day, our things are covered. Because we did what we said, we expect those people to do what they say. Right, we have a Purple Heart recipient sitting at our table tonight he hasn't said a lot.

Speaker 4 3:46:38

This is a guy that was injured, wounded, in combat, right and, at the end of the day, I just want anybody that listens to this to understand where we really lie. We like to joke and we like to talk and we like to have fun. We're all brothers, we're all sisters. We upheld our end of the bargain. We expect those people to uphold their end of the bargain.

Speaker 8 3:47:01

Even after the fact, at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 3:47:03

Yeah, I mean, that's what it's supposed to be about. So I know we dove into a lot of different subjects tonight and we'll do it again here in a couple weeks or next week or whenever we do the next one. But you know, at the end of the day, that's what we care about as. Vfw members. Right is every veteran matters, Absolutely Every veteran matters, Regardless.

Speaker 5 3:47:26

So one of the things you said about the mega right make America again. Okay, you were like when were we great? How about this? Throw the fucking again off? How about mag? Make america great yep 100.

Speaker 4 3:47:44

Agree, I'm with that.

Speaker 3 3:47:46

Let's just end that and just to 100, just to throw on the again part or greater.

Speaker 5 3:47:51

How about that? Make America greater, that's better.

Speaker 3 3:47:54

Because I was just going to say again, meaning as if, like you're right, as if there was one particular spot in history and I guess you could argue, like our scientific explorations, world War II type stuff, World War II getting to the moon, whatever.

Speaker 5 3:48:08

There's been lots of good things that America has done, but none of that matters but you've got to blend it, but none of that matters.

Speaker 3 3:48:15

and I would say make America greater. I would agree with that because over the last 100 years we have progressively gotten better. Women had the right to vote and then they were able to join the military. There was Civil Rights Act. We have progressively gotten better. That is absolutely correct. Make America greater is the term that I will now agree with.

Speaker 5 3:48:41

I think I like that.

Speaker 6 3:48:44

The thing is, I don't think that, as of this date, that America has fulfilled its promises to all its citizens, but I think it can. I think it can. I hope it can.

Speaker 5 3:49:04

But on that, I think as a whole, we have improved year after year after year. Yes, whole. We have improved year after year after year, even though we are bombarded year after year daily with negative oh we're this, we're that, we're not good enough, we're not that. But we as a society, I think, have improved majorly. Is there more room for improvement?

Speaker 4 3:49:27

Absolutely, absolutely, always no question I mean I'm pretty damn perfect, but I can still improve. It might be a very slight percentage point.

Speaker 5 3:49:37

You're not quite presidential.

Speaker 6 3:49:42

You're not quite presidential material yet, but it's getting close. We got to shave your beard and put you in a suit. Make Charlie great again.

Speaker 2 3:49:48

I look damn good in a suit by the way I saw a picture Birthday again, I look damn good in the suit by the way I saw a picture birthday. My birthday suit's a little bit, a little bit lackluster my birthday suit's definitely lackluster but I hold my own.

Speaker 5 3:50:01

Why don't?

Speaker 8 3:50:01

you just talk, and right here he is Absolutely.

Speaker 5 3:50:04

But yeah, I think that's where we can. Let's leave it there, where you know we as a society have a obligation. There, where you know we, we as a society, have a a obligation, obligation.

Speaker 6 3:50:15

Yes, thank you, to make things better as we see, and that's all Americans, absolutely not just us as veterans there is always room for improvement, always, and we should always strive to get better, no matter what, even if it's our personal life.

Speaker 5 3:50:36

Everything Try to improve.

Speaker 6 3:50:38

Everything, and I think that I'm way better this year. I think that that potential exists. We are way better than we were 100 years ago, oh for sure. And hopefully better than we were 100 years ago, oh for sure. And hopefully we're way better 100 years from now from where we are right now. That's right.

Speaker 8 3:51:06

That's right Hi.

Speaker 6 3:51:09

Sorry, I was trying to find something that you guys were talking about.

Speaker 4 3:51:11

Let's not get into it. No, we're all good. We're all good for the night.

Speaker 6 3:51:12

We are shutting her down.

Speaker 5 3:51:13

Yeah, Good night y'all.

Speaker 6 3:51:15

Jesus.

Speaker 5 3:51:18

Thanks for if you're still with us. Thanks for staying with us.

Speaker 8 3:51:21

There were still four or so left.

Speaker 3 3:51:23

And now we are headed out. So thanks for joining and we will see you guys next time Shining off. Peace out. Next time Shining off.

Speaker 1 3:51:30

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