This Canadian Thinks

Uncovering The Hidden Truth: Government Manipulation, Media Complicity, And The Fight For Transparency

June 18, 2023 This Canadian Thinks Season 1 Episode 3
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Uncovering The Hidden Truth: Government Manipulation, Media Complicity, And The Fight For Transparency
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What if you could uncover the truth behind government manipulation and media complicity? Join us for a captivating discussion with our guest, Lee Bates, as we dive into the world of politics, media, and the fight for truth in today's world. We'll explore how wedge issues are used to control the population, the role of UN soldiers in the Freedom Convoy to Ottawa, and the rise of Maxime Bernier amidst the pandemic.

Through our conversation, we'll also tackle the power of propaganda in shaping public opinion, the layers of bureaucracy in healthcare, and the implications of high salaries and pensions for public officials. We'll examine the impact of the trucker convoy on Canadian politics and how it has united people in the fight for their rights. Additionally, we'll discuss the government's attempt to create a one-world religion and the importance of collective consciousness in awakening minds to the truth hidden in history.

To wrap up, we'll delve into the power of community-based activism and the role of organizations like the Communities Accountability Transparency Council (CATC) in unifying citizens across the country. Learn about the challenges CATC faces in their pursuit to unite the nation and how they aim to educate the public and bring greater transparency to government dealings. Don't miss this enlightening conversation as we uncover the truth behind the headlines and empower you to make informed decisions in our ever-changing world.

(Guest: Lee Bates - CATC/Freedom Convoy Organizer)

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Speaker 1:

Whether we agree or agree to disagree, everybody's got an opinion, and I'm about to give you mine. So sit back, relax, buckle up and try not to get offended. Welcome to This Canadian Thinks. The government is the greatest threat to national unity. Their policies are intended to deceive you into believing you have a common enemy in your fellow voter, should you disagree with them. Politicians, especially the progressive types, use wedge issues to work up both sides of the debate to near hysterics. When the population is hysterical, they are much easier manipulated. This was in full display during the Freedom Convoy to Ottawa. As the trucks began rolling east, the rhetoric out of Parliament Hill ramped up considerably. Those involved were members of a fringe minority with unacceptable views, or racists or bigots, which eventually morphed into occupants and domestic terrorists as time went on. In the end, the Canadian government chose to use UN soldiers to quell the protests. Elderly protesters were trampled with horses or blinded with riot spray. There was no threat, but the government made sure it was perceived as one. They're awful good at it.

Speaker 2:

It's important to underline that close to 90% of truckers in this country are vaccinated, like close to 90% of Canadians. Over the past many months and years now, Canadians have stepped up to protect each other, to protect our frontline workers, to protect our elders, to protect our young people, to protect people like truckers who are putting food on our grocery store shelves. Canadians have stepped up to do the right thing to protect the freedoms and the rights of Canadians. To get back to the things we love to do, We know the way through this pandemic is by getting everyone vaccinated, And the overwhelming majority, close to 90% of Canadians have done exactly that. The small fringe minority of people who are on their way to Ottawa or who are holding unacceptable views that they're expressing do not represent the views of Canadians who have been there for each other, who know that following the science and stepping up to protect each other is the best way to continue to ensure our freedoms, our rights, our values as a country.

Speaker 1:

The media doesn't help. Currently the lap dogs of the establishment. they bow to the official line. No investigation, no boots on the ground. They're given the script and they repeat it verbatim. The few independent journalists that were there were blocked, arrested and forced to surrender their cameras and memory cards. They pushed them out of the area, especially once it came time to let loose the dogs of war.

Speaker 3:

Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.

Speaker 1:

Politicians on both sides of the aisle were in accord. Sure, Pierre Poilierre ventured out for the opportunity for a photo op, as though in support, but the truth was evident inside the house. The Progressive Conservatives did nothing to stand up against restrictions or mandates. Many of them echoed the official sentiments regarding masking, mandates, and restrictions instead. Nothing of any type of opposition occurred whatsoever. The only party that did was the People's Party of Canada, the PPC. Bernier held political rallies in the face of the law, encouraging people to attend without masks. Pierre took photos until Trudeau began to vilify him, at which point he promptly stopped, falling in line like the rest. Pathetic and spineless, really.

Speaker 4:

The leader of a party polling in the low single digits is doubling down tonight on his anti-vaccine message. And while Maxime Bernier operates on the fringe, he still draws a crowd.

Speaker 5:

The admittedly unvaccinated Maxime Bernier has built a following in the pandemic, his People's Party of Canada campaigning on what he calls COVID freedom. "We are not anti-vaccine, we are not anti-masks, we are for freedom of choice, drawing in the disenfranchised, the skeptics, people who feel they've lost their voice and their rights in the pandemic. The self-described Mad Max Tour is seeing some of the largest crowds of the campaign, an estimated 5,000 at one Manitoba rally. He was arrested here last June for breaking public health laws.

Speaker 6:

When tyranny becomes law, revolution becomes our duty. We just want to unite everybody under the freedom umbrella and we want to live our life like we did before COVID-19.

Speaker 1:

Yet many will vote for Pierre, thinking he's the answer to the current Liberal regime, even though he's proven that the party he leads at this time is nothing short of liberal light. Their support of the Liberal mandates proof positive. There will be no change under a Progressive Conservative government. The agenda will simply be slowed down, the destination taking more time for arrival. In the end, though, they all want the exact same thing anyway. Their global dictators call the shots. It's up to the government only in that they can decide the pace, and nothing more. A unified population would no doubt see this, which is why it's so important for the government to keep everyone fighting with each other. Division obliterates unification.

Speaker 7:

Your predecessor, Erin O'Toole, has written a blog basically saying he would like to see fewer F-Trudeau flags. He says there are symptoms of a larger problem in which rage is being normalized which, in turn, is hurting our democracy. I like your thoughts on those flags and Mr O'Toole's concerns that, again, rage is being normalized and hurting democracy.

Speaker 8:

Well, i don't like the flags and I don't like rage, but I think we have to ask ourselves why are people so angry? The answer is that they're hurting. It's easy for the political establishment to say stop all your complaining. But when you're one of the 1.5 million people that went to a food bank in the month of March, it's not so easy. If you're one of the people that went to the Mississauga food bank and asked for help with medical assistance and dying, not because you're sick but because you can't afford to live. It's not so easy. If you're one of the 38-year-olds living in your parents' basement because it now takes more of a monthly paycheck to own a house, then at any time in recorded history, it's not so easy to be happy with the way things are going. If you're one of the people who was overprescribed opioids and is now addicted to drugs as a result, it's not so easy to be happy with the way things are going. I have never seen so much hurt and so much pain and suffering in our population in my nearly two decades in politics. So yes, of course we should tell people to be more civil and to reject offensive signs, flags and language, but we should also ask ourselves why are people hurting so badly And we as leaders? You know, the other day Justin Trudeau was at a big party 2,000 wealthy liberal lobbyists in the nation's capital saying that we should stop all the complaining. Well, everybody in that room has nothing to complain about. They're doing very well. It's been an all-you-can-eat buffet for the lobbyists and the insiders in Ottawa, but for the average person who's struggling to make their mortgage payments that have gone up by $800 or $900 a month, they're living in a different world. So sure, let's tell people to be more civil, but let's, as political leaders, let's actually try to solve the problems that have upset and angered and hurt people so badly. It is our job to turn that hurt into hope, to transform it into something better. You know, my parents taught me that in Canada. It didn't matter where I came from but where I was going. It didn't matter who I knew but what I could do. That's the country I want my kids to inherit. So let's make this a place where people feel like their hard work pays off, where they're respected, where their leaders don't talk down to them and point fingers at them, but rather lift them up, where we have a Prime Minister, that actually brings people together and gives them the hope that tomorrow can be better than today. I think that is the real problem that we need to solve.

Speaker 1:

Those who did watch the convoy from the outside were swept up by the unity of the truckers. While it was no doubt felt at the line, the feeling transcended the space and gave hope to the hopeless. The thousands of Canadians standing on the side of the road flying Canadian flags in bitter cold temperatures across the country was a clear indication that it galvanized the population. That's why they had to shut it down. It was effective. The longer it lasted, the more people were encouraged to join them. After years of government overreach, it was a powder keg waiting to erupt. The people were on the verge of actually having their voices heard. Except that Canada is not democracy. We have more in common with post-Gorbachev Russia. Both of our countries are social democracies, which is not truly democratic. There's an air of socialism about the place, hence the laws against free speech and so on. If you believe otherwise, it may be time to take a political science's refresher, although even such a course may be outdated unless they've adjusted their course offering to accommodate the continuous shift of all political parties towards the left of centre. It's this drift towards progressive politics that makes it impossible for there to be representation otherwise. The only party not participating in the progressive shift is again the PPC. Due to this, the media and political class do everything in their power to undermine them. Accusations of splitting the vote is near laughable. The Progressive Conservatives are the real vote-splitters. They're so closely aligned with the Liberals in terms of progressive policies that they are often sharing each other's lunch. Outside of financial approaches, the two parties are nearly indistinguishable from one another. That's the lie that Canadians believe however. They head to the polls and vote in the Liberals to get rid of the progressive conservatives. After about eight years, they vote in the Liberals again. It's a repetitive cycle that needs to come to an end. The sooner the better.

Speaker 4:

Madness

Speaker 1:

It doesn't seem to matter who you elect. The politicians will just change the parameters to get what they want anyway. Minority government, no problem. Shake a bag of money at, Jagmeet Singh and the NDP will prop up the Liberals as though a majority. It doesn't matter what the voters actually voted for. The political class will get what they want in the end, regardless. The federal NDP party and the Liberal Party might as well just join together. They're literally attached at the wallet. A vote for one is a vote for the other. Their agreement of support means that the Liberals and the NDP are one and the same at this point, which would be yet another example of vote splitting, but progressives don't see it the same way. They seem to completely accept the nefarious coalition.

Speaker 2:

When the Conservative Party looked at the Ottawa occupation, they thought this is an expression of righteous anger and we must support them. But, Liberals, we looked at a group of people with a written agreement to overthrow the government and we said great idea, get Jagmeet on the phone.

Speaker 1:

In the last British Columbia Provincial Election, the Greens and the NDP were so close that they went in the back room, drafted a contract to work in unison together, then came out and announced their newly formed coalition as a majority government. The voters didn't get to weigh in. It was enshrined and binded without them. The politicians having decided, not the voters. If something of this nature is to be proposed, it should be clearly indicated during the pre-election campaign as being a possibility in the event such a situation might arise or they need to have another election to either vote for or against a potential coalition.

Speaker 10:

Otherwise, The BC Greens will give the BCNDP support to form government and the terms of the agreement, as I've mentioned, will be for four years. We're not looking to have an election anytime soon. We're looking to show the British Columbians that minority governments can work.

Speaker 11:

The Premier will have some choices to make. without any doubt, The agreement that's been reached between the Green Caucus and the BCNDP Caucus demonstrates that we have the majority support of members in the legislature, and that will be up to the Premier and the Lieutenant Governor to discuss.

Speaker 1:

It's this sort of government-nosed-best approach that leaves a vast swath of the population outside of the political spectrum. In the last Alberta Provincial Election, over 60% of the population actually voted. That's 40% of the province that couldn't be bothered to engage in the process. However, The federal election was similar, with just under 65% of the population voting. These are high turnout campaigns. In comparison to some past elections, As few as 40% of less have decided the fate for others in the past. Apathy is typically high in this country, and voter apathy even more so. So how do governments get people more engaged with the voting process? It certainly isn't by offering concrete reasons why a political party should be considered. It's by creating division, fear and confusion. The more vitriol they can slather, the better. Facts in previous records are hardly even considered in exchange for these more effective attacks. During the last provincial election in Alberta, this was on full display. Rachel Notley's NDP couldn't run on their previous disastrous four-year record. They had no choice but to run an attack campaign. They vilified Danielle Smith every way but loose. They lied about their policies to look more palatable, even though we've seen exactly what they do given half a chance, They used slander, bent election laws and utilized unions to spread untruthful propaganda. It was a prime example of how governments used these type of campaigns to sow distrust or confusion. If you don't actually follow politics, you might believe what the NDP were saying, especially if you were watching the program the CBC broadcast after the leadership debate, where they used the NDP to fact check the UCP. No independent commentators or non-partisan political analysts, just socialists using fellow socialists in an effort to legitimize their narrative, despite the facts.

Speaker 12:

I've made myself clear on this matter to the Prime Minister in person and in public, but I feel we need to do it again. Hopefully the Prime Minister and his caucus are watching tonight. Let me be clear this is not a road we can afford to go down. If he persists, he will be hurting Canadians from coast to coast and he will strain the patience and goodwill of Albertans in an unprecedented fashion. And, as Premier, i cannot under any circumstance allow these contemplated federal policies to be inflicted upon Albertans. I simply can't and I won't.

Speaker 1:

A truly conservative governance in Alberta is a terrifying thought to the progressive agenda here and abroad. As the wealthiest province in Canadian Confederation, we see our fair share of disagreements with the federal government. In fact, Alberta and Saskatchewan, then known as Buffalo, were the last provinces to agree to join Confederation. Quebec never has. The only province to enjoy that claim. Whatever was left of what was initially meant to be a collection of self-regulated provinces bound by the working protection of unification under Confederacy was all but erased once Pierre-Eliott Trudeau came to power. Trudeau Sr was the architect of the Canada we're beginning to see now. It's far from over. The transition is ongoing. Solidified now by his heir, Justin, who currently remains in power. The social-democratic globalist ideology was first brought to the fore in Canada and championed by the likes of Trudeau Sr. Globalism is a truly Canadian phenomenon. Perhaps we should dig into that deeper on a future episode. While Trudeau Sr didn't invent the idea of divisive policies, he was acutely aware of their effectiveness. He picked the West against the East and used that to his advantage to push through the National Energy Program, or NEP for short. This allowed Ottawa to benefit more from Alberta's resources than they had previously. It should be said that, since joining Canadian Confederation that both Alberta and Saskatchewan have paid dearly for the privilege of operating under the Canadian banner. It's always been a bit of a take-heavy relationship on Canada's part, which the NEP did nothing to change. Trudeau got the Laurentians worked up at the West and vice versa, courting Quebec with money and promises that were nothing short of what every province was meant to be guaranteed under Confederation in the first place, but at the expense of them. He centralized power in Ottawa instead, taking away certain items from the purview of the provinces, and when they complained and protested, he literally gave them the finger. He understood that an inflamed population could be manipulated to do all manner of things that might not be in their best interest. While the country was fighting amongst themselves, Trudeau Sr was courting his own agenda abroad, more interested in dining with Fidel Castro and eating Chinese.

Speaker 13:

It's easy to take for granted Canada's solid relationship with China, but the People's Republic of China wasn't officially recognized by Ottawa until 1970, and things didn't really open up until after a trip by Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau back in 1973.

Speaker 1:

We could spend hours on the way that Trudeau Sr used wedge politics to divide and, in essence, conquer Canada. It's only gotten worse since the foundation created then for what is no doubt to come. Like I said, you can already see the effects. The erosion of the Canada we were, to the Canada we are now and the Canada that the socialists would have us become. Progressives will see it as a positive, as though they were studying something different in high school than I did maybe. The headlong rush to a global society where not even provincial affairs are contemplated at a local level, but rather by an appointed official dwelling in a far off land, deciding what's appropriate for you based on what would be of most benefit to the global good, even if not at all in your own personal best interest, Outlawing your way of life because it is not possible for it to be done the same elsewhere and is thus unfair to the person who cannot.

Speaker 8:

This was an emergency that Justin Trudeau created by attacking his own population, by driving up their cost of living, by making it impossible for people to pay their bills and live their lives in peace. He caused the emergency that unfolded And then, when he caused it, he piled on. He poured more gasoline on the fire, with nasty insults, jabbing his finger in the faces of his own citizens, something that even today's report acknowledged contributed to the length and the intensity of the protest.

Speaker 1:

It's this climate that lent itself to the Freedom Convoy to Ottawa, where the divisive attacks were at an all-time high. The disconnect between what was going on on the ground versus declarations to the contrary from the mainstream news and politician of every stripe was blatant to anyone that followed an alternative provider. Walking the streets through live feeds on YouTube with guys like War Campaign or the walking tour guides who became impromptu frontline broadcasters, one could not help but notice the difference between reported fact and the truth. An elderly woman with a walker was trampled by a horse and rider, but the news reported someone drove a bike into the horse in an attempt to break its legs, all while showing footage of the horse clearly crushing the old lady and her walker. It was disgusting and a blight to the order of Canada, all because it was better to keep the country divided than it was to have a prime minister hear them and address their concerns. It's easier to manipulate the narrative when you don't actually know what the other side wants. You can say they want all sorts of stuff instead. Things that make it look better for you and worse for them. The prime minister's office not only knew this, but they actively engaged in it to achieve a desired outcome. I personally don't think the politicians succeeded in reaching the outcome they wanted, but I don't think they weren't successful entirely either. To this day, public access to Parliament Hill remains restrictive and certain areas continue to be barred to anyone but the politicians that work within. Protests are by approved permit only, so your grievance must align with the establishment's view or you won't be allowed to protest, otherwise. Does this sound like the heart of democracy to you? Far from it.

Speaker 4:

Now on to the northern border, just across the Canadian police there cracking down on the trucker's protest. You know only a few stragglers remain in Ottawa After police and riot gear swept through Canada's capital, arresting nearly 200 protesters and towing off almost 60 vehicles. Authorities have now regained control of that area. The truckers had occupied for more than three weeks. Grady Trembl live on the street in Ottawa with the morer on the aftermath of that protest. Hi Grady.

Speaker 9:

Hello Eric, we're expecting an update from police any minute now, but I just want to show you this area. A few days ago had dozens of semi trucks and other vehicles in it. Now you can see police have taken control of Wellington Street. This was essentially the first area that trucks were blocking here on Wellington Street And if you spin around here you can see all the way up the hill. there were several more trucks blocking traffic all the way past the parliament building here on Wellington. Well, police have cleared all of it and now they are in control of this area, blocking traffic and blocking really anybody from even walking into this area, except for them and for media. Some people watching the tactics of police over the past couple days have been critical of it, saying they used too much force than they needed to to get protesters out of here, and specifically, the police oversight agency in Canada is looking into two instances that took place over the past couple of days. The first was on Friday, the first day that police started really moving into this area, and that's when a woman was allegedly seriously hurt by a horse because mounted police were moving into this area. The second has to do with an incident that happened on Saturday, and what police call less lethal ammunitions, which refer to things like gas canisters, tear gas canisters as well as rubber bullets. So police are looking into both of those instances to see if they used too much force in those cases to try to get protesters out of here. There's also criticism of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau who, as you know, invoked the Emergencies Act at the beginning of this week. Police say that was instrumental in being able to clear the protesters, but a lot of people say the standards were not met to invoke that Emergencies Act, which has never been used before. We learned from federal authorities this weekend, eric, that they froze 76 bank accounts, with about $3 million in them, as a part of this measure to crack down on protesters here.

Speaker 1:

Politicians are elected by you but are beholden to lobbyists, foreign governments, the United Nations, the World Economic Forum and many other globally aligned organizations. Chances are, if you actually knew what they were up to, you'd be outraged. The best way to avoid you finding out is to stoke division amongst the population. When you are busy being outraged about meaningless things, they are doing the real work, as outlined by the aforementioned organizations. The taxes you pay barely seen to cover the debt on the loans the government draws to afford contraceptives in Africa or to build low rent housing in India, among many other investments of little benefit to Canadians. We own a toll bridge in the US where the tolls collected don't mean the funds required to maintain the bridge itself. It's a terrible investment that would cost any hedge fund manager their position. Politicians aren't bound by performance, though, which explains their terrible track records. They are counting on a multitude of distractions to keep you from realizing what a mess they are making of things, to keep you from knowing who they are actually working for. Newsflash, it isn't you. You might elect them, but they do as they want and as they are told by people other than yourself. Once in that position, they represent their global counterparts above all else. Once again, should the population at large understand this, they would be upset and would rally against it. That's why the government must find ways to keep you distracted from the situation. By keeping you inflamed about rather unimportant issues, they are better able to enact legislation more in line with their underlying agenda, legislation they'll have you begging for, even though it's likely not something you would agree to if there wasn't some sort of motivating factor, something that enraged you enough that you would be willing to forego your rights and freedoms in order to placate your misplaced rage.

Speaker 10:

The World Economic Forum is very open and, as an open platform to integrate everybody who is willing to address those issues in a spirit which means to exercise here through global citizenship. First, if you look at that at the national or global level, at the macroeconomic level, one of the things we address very much in the book and we are concerned is the increased debt level. We spend about 10 trillion worldwide to deal with the short term negative effects of the pandemics. But we should be aware we are just increasing our debt situation and we were already very much debt loaded before we went into the crisis. So how to get at the end out of this debt situation is still a big question mark. Second, we know that there's quite some impact on different industries. We know that certainly the health industry is the digital industry will go out of this crisis strengthened, but we know that many industries which rely particularly on physical interaction will have difficulties to survive. Finally, i just would add I think this is an opportunity again to find solutions which are beneficial for the next generation. So why not to tie government aid to the green economy which we have to create? Why not to make sure that we revolutionize, digitalize, particularly our educational system? So we are here, when we talk about the great reset, to talk also about innovation How can we do things differently from what we used to do? and if we speak about differently, it means also how can we do it to make sure that a majority of people are benefiting from it and not just a minority. I would see even a chance to accelerate, let's say, our transition into a green economy, because people probably recognize that we have to become more resilient. We have now the experience of one crisis the environmental crisis. The climate crisis could be a much bigger one, so I see more awareness, but on the other hand, we have the big issue of unemployment, of low levels of employment, and I think we shouldn't see the two as contradictory objectives.

Speaker 1:

Only people will become angry about what the politicians were really doing, rather than the manufactured outrage they perpetuate instead. Stop buying the taglines and headlines and look deeper into what they are actually proposing. You won't like what you see. Worry less about what is happening around the world to begin to worry about what is happening right here in Canada. We are so busy following the US down the transgender highway that we are missing the big picture. As the global leaders try to make a melting pot of the entire planet, we are losing our regional identities and with it, in many ways, our culture and values As time goes by. It would not surprise me if they attempt to subvert organized religions into one worldwide belief system, much like the Jacobins did in France after the French Revolution. In terms of reconciliation, the aborigines and first nations of the world need to tread very carefully during this time. Their cultures have already been all but lost and yet they stand to be devoured by a worldwide belief system in a manner even worse than the colonialism they rage against right now. As the planet becomes more firmly under government control, it becomes more and more unclear what parts of each nation or culture will be welcomed into the future and what will be refused. Who will decide? Not you, and likely as not, not your local elected officials or tribal councils either. So, to prevent you becoming enraged, they don't address your concerns. They trivialize and weaponize your concerns against you instead, paint you as out of touch, bigoted, racist and so on. So long as they can make you a pariah, your concerns will be without merit. After all, how could one side with someone who would venerate their own culture or personal values over that of another, even if it is something as simple as national pride? It's ever increasingly easy for them to do too. As media organizations search for ways to remain relevant and maintain the incomes that subscription revenues at one time provided to no avail, it becomes more and more convenient to take the bribes and handouts the government provides as incentives to promote the government propaganda.

Speaker 2:

You sometimes hear about Liberal bias in the media these days, how they're constantly letting off our government letting our government off the hook for no good reason. Frankly, I think that's insulting. It's clear that they let us off the hook for a very good reason, because we paid them $600 million. You don't get stellar headlines like these without greasing the wheels a bit.

Speaker 1:

It's no different than the current obsession with gender. At one point it was something you may or may not openly support. Now you are forced to publicly acknowledge your commitment to transgender rights and equity and steps you are taking to take an effective role in furthering those ideals in your business, or risk not being able to do business at all. This was decreed by the Liberal government as a reasonable expectation of any business and then passed into law No opposition whatsoever. If you are looking for a government contract, you're going to have to acknowledge you support lots of things you may not agree with or you won't be on contract with them. Period. This is actively promoting division amongst Canadians. It's a mountain out of a molehill, though. The transgender population in Canada is roughly 0.19%, but if you spend any time engaged with the media, it would seem to be the number one topic of issue. They've ballooned an issue that is faced by less than a full percent of the population and inflated it into something that has to be defined in your company's operating procedures prior to doing business. It's precisely this sort of thing that the government uses to create division The wedge issues that they can use to promote derision amongst the majority of the population, even though most of them will be unaffected by anything of the nature in their lifetime.

Speaker 6:

Excuse me, it's ma'am.

Speaker 1:

It is ma'am.

Speaker 6:

I can call the police if you'd like me to. You need to settle down. You need to settle down and mind your business. Okay, Ma'am once again ma'am. I said both of you. No, you said sir. Once again it's ma'am. I actually said both of you guys. Right beforehand you fucking said sir, sir, motherfucker, take it outside. If you want to call me sir again, i will show you a fucking sir Motherfucker. I'll follow you right now. I need your corporate number because I'm going to call them and talk about how it was misgendered several times in this store. I need your corporate number now. I need the corporate number, so stop calling me. Get it for me now.

Speaker 8:

I'm going to ask you to come down and stop causing.

Speaker 6:

Sorry. Stop getting misgendered. Well, i'm going to ask you for the fifth time to stop calling me a man, because quite clearly, i am not.

Speaker 1:

And I apologize for that, ma'am. I will get you that number, is that okay?

Speaker 4:

Yes, get it for me now. I'm asking you to stop causing.

Speaker 6:

Get it for me now.

Speaker 1:

That's not to say that discrimination or harassment should be tolerated, but really has our skin been rendered so thin? Have we devolved so much that the smallest slight might destroy our personal confidence, so much that we might not survive it? Please, the world was forged by those who overcame the harshest conditions or limitations to become successful. We used to herald their ability to remain conscientious and optimistic in times of dim hope. These days, those types are looked down on as capitalist swine or greed driven narcissists. They needed to use any wealth to help the government fund countless programs potentially misaligned with their true personal values, through the collection of ever increasing taxes, corporate donations and so on. Where gone are the days when a certain amount of the old water off a duck's back adage might apply? People instead get upset about the most trivial of things. The government is banking on it. In fact, they have a nack for finding the matters of least importance that will most magnify under exposure and force people to take a side one way or the other. They don't seem to care what the issue is, so long as it will enrage and encourage division as the key result in any regard. Nobody wants to admit their transphobic, islamophobic, homophobic, racist or the plethora of other phobics out there. So when the government highlights issues of that nature, the majority of the population jumps on board and says "ot me, i support those things that you said. Do whatever you have to in order to make it so I feel better about the fact that I may not actually support those things deep down inside.

Speaker 3:

You, snotty little bastard. I'll answer the question. You want answers. You want answers. I want the truth. You can't handle the truth, son. we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, i suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Speaker 1:

The things that anyone is looking for are the same regardless of color, creed, gender or political stripe. It's the politicians that tell you different that make you believe you're guilty of any number of socially unacceptable viewpoints, even when the current buzzword issues impact you not at all. What we are looking for are human rights, not preferential rights. We wish to be viewed as equal to one another, in spite of possible discrepancies in regards to equity, not taking from one to satiate the will of another or using our race, politics or sexual proclivities to provide a position of superiority over any other. What you do in the privacy of your own life should remain exactly that, your private affairs, not publicly crammed down the throat of any who might disagree with you in an attempt at forced veneration. How badly do these people need to receive acceptance of their personal and private lives that they would forgo either in their pursuit of it? The government, regardless of which political party may be in power, will continue to use divisive policies and rhetoric to hypnotize those foolish enough to take the bait into believing any number of wedge issues are the current most pressing issues facing Canadians, when indeed what we really need to begin to realize is that the government is the greatest threat to national unity, then begin to find ways to safeguard the population from falling victim to their ongoing partisan charades, because while they are distracting you, they are busy doing other things that might actually impact you in rather significant ways, like limiting your access to information or outlawing your way of life. They're simply banking on you being too divided from and enraged at your neighbors to see them doing it. By that time, it's already too late. Today we're excited to feature our first ever guest on This Canadian Thinks, Lee Bates. Lee was actually involved in the Freedom Convoy to Ottawa, as well as being part of the organizational team behind CATC, a council designed with the intention of holding elected representatives accountable at every level of government, municipal to federal. We'll cover those topics, as well as national unity, in our conversation today. Should also mention Lee's a personal friend of mine and while our conversation was knowingly recorded, it is of a casual nature and we didn't script it in any way. There was no preset questions or otherwise outside of the general topic of national unity being our baseline and to speak about the Freedom Convoy and more about CATC. What you're getting in the conversation, however, is off the cuff and akin to our usual conversations when we get together, check it out. Today we're sitting down with Lee Bates from CATC. He was a member of the Truckers Freedom Convoy in Ottawa, a friend of mine, and I'm really happy to have him on the show. He's been teaching me all sorts of stuff and today we're going to talk about some things and hopefully you'll find it all interesting. So welcome to the show, welcome to This Canadian Thinks.

Speaker 14:

Thank you, it's good to be here. I'm really happy to have this conversation. CATC stands for Communities Accountability Transparency Council. It's community driven right now and citizen driven, so it's going to be fun. It's a lot of hard work. I'm up for the task.

Speaker 1:

Right on. We're looking forward to hearing from you and welcome to the show, thank you. People have been ingrained so much to think that the newscaster is telling you the news and all this other stuff, but what they do now is they spread propaganda. They don't actually have news, they have the narrative and then they have the ways that they make that narrative become the reality, and so then, however they can. You know, the other day I seen a person get up on TV. They are supposedly supposed to be a doctor and they had seen the leaders debate on TV and they had said that they had never been approached by the government. "The government said that they approached us and came up with a plan. They never talked to me. They put this on TV like a real thing, like this actually matters, like this person is someone. But this person is one person they handpicked that would be willing to go on TV and say that government never talked to me. And how about the six layers of bureaucracy above that person's pay grade that actually did talk to the government? Because that's the other problem that we have right now, based on NDPVS, is that we have a top heavy healthcare system that's run by big union dudes and about six layers of administration. That gets paid about a quarter of a million dollars a year And nurses are lucky if they see 70,000. So at that point in time, if we could get rid of five layers of.

Speaker 14:

Well then, don't forget the teachers unions and the steel workers unions. You know you start factoring in all those groups, all those union groups. That's a lot of people, yes.

Speaker 1:

And unions are. The NDP props up unions every time, 100%. I was talking to somebody this morning.

Speaker 14:

It's the socialist way.

Speaker 1:

Sure, and I was talking to somebody this morning I won't mention who, but his wife was at a union meeting. She's a nurse and she said they had concluded a whole bunch of union business and then they had a fella come out and say okay, "we'd like to talk to you about the upcoming election and how important it is that you vote for the NDP. She stood up and said God bless. Her. Stood up there and said that's politics and it's got no business in this meeting. So good for her. But in the meantime that's happening all over this country, not to mention this province. It gets happening everywhere. Everywhere, anywhere there's an NDP sign it's happening 100%. And progressives this is the problem I have.

Speaker 14:

Think of the money that the NDP has to do that and manipulate things So like look at all the ads on radio TV, in the papers that are all NDP And then you see a little bit of conservative. I know the conservatives they have the same. They should have the same budget for that election for ads and whatever. But for some reason the NDP is getting more playtime.

Speaker 1:

Well, that's because a lot of these places, the unions are buying the advertising.

Speaker 14:

That's right. But why is that too? Because they're buying all the other slots out too and then selling them to you know whoever They want to make sure they have the, but again, when your media is paid for by the government, then it doesn't matter whether it's a radio station or what.

Speaker 1:

you're going to be biased, You're going to give the gravy train the time.

Speaker 14:

They're the ones having any of the money.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely Right. And again, like I've talked about this before, where I've said like a hedge fund, you know, you get a $13 million hedge fund. The guy that runs the hedge fund makes $1 or $2 million a year.

Speaker 14:

Right.

Speaker 1:

Right, and our officials. you know what is it? $1.3 billion $3.8 billion is the actual hedge fund of Canada. And we got a guy we pay $375,000 a year for it, and he's supposed to manage that and not be corrupted, So it's a fine line. Do you pay these guys more money and hope that they'll look after you better, or do you pay them less money and make them work harder, like if there's a deficit why do they get a paycheck?

Speaker 14:

Right, when I get a deficit, i can't pay my bill. Why do they get a bonus?

Speaker 1:

Right. Why do they get a rise in inflation when nobody else does? Right Yeah.

Speaker 14:

Right, yeah, because it's corrupted.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, and another thing that would save us a whole pile of money is if we didn't kick in pensions as soon as they walked out the door. We got guys down there doing other jobs catching a pension off the time they put in government. The rest of us have to wait till we're 65. They don't have to.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, they don't have to wait for their pension, though, that's the thing. They do three, four years. For that one gal, almost five, six years ago, she stole a million, give a million dollars to all her friends and family and shit government money. Well then she had to resign. That's all she. She stole a million dollars. She had to resign. Yeah, you lose your job and go home. Yeah, yeah, with a pension, with a pension, yeah, for the rest of your life. Yeah, how sweet deal is that.

Speaker 1:

No, no different than the governor general, and wasn't that in the NDP, when, when, when.

Speaker 14:

Uh, not only was, it was one of her, i think, i think, yeah.

Speaker 1:

And without actually getting into it, I would. I would not want to say either, but a lot of the stuff that did go like Rachel Notley has already shown us what she would do with four years in power, so it doesn't matter what she's telling you now. You already know what they do when they get in there, so it should be pretty obvious that that is the agenda.

Speaker 14:

Well, we've seen it since the 80s NDP, um, out in Saskatchewan, um, and then out in BC and Manitoba, and their industry killers. Yeah, you know people think that, oh, NDP, they create government jobs, they are union, the unions, the, um. You know that's what's going to save us. No, that's not the driving force behind our economy. It's. It's, it's people like you and me, and and all these oil field workers and and and agriculture. That's what drives this, the market, and and and the. They're, they're killing it. They will kill it. Absolutely will.

Speaker 1:

One of the things, too, that I uh and I mentioned it in the first uh in the pilot episode is that, uh, jobs get announced and they say we made 200,000 jobs in the last quarter, and it sounds great, and then you find out that 175,000 of those were public sector jobs and 25,000 jobs were private jobs. Yeah, and you think, oh, that that's good, right? No, you didn't even make enough private jobs to cover all of the jobs your government just made, because public sector jobs are paid for by your taxes. That's right. So, like, why is that a good thing? It should be.

Speaker 14:

But that's why they keep increasing taxes. Well for the few to take care of the many.

Speaker 1:

Well, and to pay for these, that's what I mean Exactly.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, that's, uh, that's the way they feel it should work.

Speaker 1:

Well, and that is also why the government is the greatest threat to national unity, right, because they divide us with policies they know will enrage us, for the sole purpose of keeping us distracted from the things they're actually doing, exactly. So what we need to do is figure out how we can stop that. How can we stop that under a West minister system?

Speaker 14:

I think we tried to shed light on it anyway with the convoy, because when we were there there was no division, no color, race, creed, religion, even. Everybody was just a human being, there for this whole purpose of getting our point across that we're not necessarily free.

Speaker 1:

That radiated from there through the TVs, the YouTubes, the Facebook. It galvanized people outside of that area. It wasn't just that you can say how it felt there, but for I wasn't there. I was doing what I could here, but in the same breath it came across the country and it was relevant by everybody that stood on the side of the road to cheer you on.

Speaker 14:

The most often question I get asked, or by people that don't think like me. Their biggest thing is what did the convoy prove? You guys didn't prove nothing. You guys went, you protested, then you went home. There was nothing that really we didn't know already as Canadians. It just blew my mind because I said, for one, we exposed the media for who they are, which in turn exposed the government for who they are. We also shed light on how people of any color, race, creed can get together for the sole purpose of creating this unity within this country, to fight back against the divisiveness and the government overreach. I don't even want to get into COVID right now, but then these governments because of this pandemic or whatever after they're the ones that crossed, forced all these small businesses out of into bankruptcy and stuff, and unemployment just skyrocketed. Then, four months later, things are picking up. and a year later, whatever things are picking up, now they're going. oh, look at how many jobs we created. People sitting on their asses because of this COVID thing.

Speaker 1:

No wonder you're going to have higher employment rates, the way they twist the narrative to say that we've had the highest job growth in history.

Speaker 14:

You sent more people home than you have since the Black plague, i would guess of course they're going to get off their ass and go to work, and they have to because they're broke.

Speaker 1:

It's no different than even like the way and this is a bit off topic but the way that they try to explain to you that nobody wants to work and they're desperate for people to go back to work Up until they stop giving them money. maybe that was part of the problem. The reason they tell you that is because they have these other deals with other countries and they need to get more migrants and more refugees and more temporary foreign workers to come to the country under those deals. They have to convince you that you didn't want to work at McDonald's anyway, and neither do your kids. If your kids want an entry level job, we should give them to temporary foreign workers and your kids should stay home, who aren't so temporary, for that matter, and they're getting a nice paycheck from the government. Well, we.

Speaker 14:

And since Trudeau got in they've been able to vote soon as they get into the country which. I don't agree with.

Speaker 1:

I don't either.

Speaker 14:

Because whoever's bringing them in, whether it's conservative, liberal, whatever I think the Liberals they're trying to get as many in as possible. So they've seen a play in their playbook that tells them that, hey, if we dump a bunch of immigrants into Toronto and Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, wherever, and give them all this money, they're going to vote for us.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, Absolutely. But that's the other thing too is I want to be real clear right now that I fully support immigration. I'm 100%. Me too. I come from immigrants. I'm the first born grandchild. I was born in this country. My mother wasn't, my uncle, my grandmother Everybody came here on a boat, that's right. And then I was born here, and so I believe in immigration 100%. You get the best, the brightest, the people that want to move to your country because they like your country and want to be involved in the way your country is.

Speaker 14:

I'm all for it too.

Speaker 1:

But immigration and migration are two very different things. And the people that are walking into the country, bypassing immigration, makes immigration worthless. For the people that have to jump through the hoops and have to take three years to get here and actually show that they're capable of doing it, those guys, it sullies it for them. Why would you bother doing that when you can go to Newark Airport and walk across the road?

Speaker 14:

Right, i just don't, you know, without getting too much into that, i just don't think that people, new people into the country, should be able to vote right away. They should have to at least see one term and a bit of. You should be a citizen. You should be a citizen. Of course You should be a citizen. But they got to go through that. They should see how the electoral system works. And maybe they're not happy four years later, three years later, when they get in and they get a new guy, and oh well, maybe that party isn't so bad, maybe I'll keep voting for them instead of the one that brought me here. Sure, you know.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, the other part of it is that nobody knows how their government works or any of that sort of stuff, so then they're bamboozled by the bright lights right, that's the problem.

Speaker 14:

Everybody's so too busy. They can't even do their own research anymore, they let alone know what's going on in their own communities. Really.

Speaker 1:

Well, this is it, because everybody's busy And getting back at the trucker convoy. When you guys were down there, the Facebook was flooded by this one. A bunch of different memes, but the one that sticks out to me and I keep coming back to is the one where it says contact the attorney general, call her at this number or give her an email at this email address, and if she gets X amount of people to contact her right away, she will remove Justin Trudeau as prime minister. All you're doing is bothering a little old lady. There's nothing she can do. We pay her to buy shoes and outfits. That's it, right? She doesn't have the power. At best, she doesn't have the power. It is only a vote and confidence in the House, which is tied to things like the budget, that make it so that we can decide whether or not we're having an election, and it has to be the MPs that we've elected that decide they're willing to skid the guy Right, And so only that will trigger an election. It doesn't matter how many times you send an email to the attorney general. It's not going to happen, but many, many people did, of course, because they don't know any better, right? They want you to be bamboozled. They don't want you to know how the system works. They want you to bother Mary Simon, because you're not bothering Trudeau. Exactly. So as long as they can keep you confused, which is why they don't teach you proper civics in school anymore, which is why they don't teach you anything about taxation. If they actually taught kids about taxation in high school, more people would say screw that, i'm not doing that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14:

Yeah Well, I'm not Too bad. They don't teach lax laws. Lax laws Because you know, at the end of the day, if you actually sit down and read I haven't personally, I tried a little bit of it But there's a lot of jargon in there. That's especially the older one I can't understand. But you know it goes back to how free we actually are and how, and then if you think about that, then how much that this reality for us has been built up to, you know, keep us numbed.

Speaker 1:

Well, it's no different if you bombard somebody with images of terror and you give them an information. Give them information that keeps them on edge and scared or unsure. Then they are more likely to do what you say, because the first person that comes in a crisis you have any type I mean, if a fire breaks out outside right now, the first person that says grab that hose and let's go over here, that's the one you're listening to. It's the first person that jumped up and that's what happens. So the first people that jump up for us are what we're getting now.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, I think you know a lot of open, a lot of people's eyes and you know the support coming across to Canada was crazy And it just built and built and built as we got closer, you know, and then you really seen how many people were like you and everybody felt alone. They didn't know how many people there actually were like them. Yeah, you know, for one reason or another, not all of them might have the same intimate knowledge of, and done the amount of research that some people have done.

Speaker 1:

But some people were just locked in their houses. Yeah, like literally Literally, they listened to the TV.

Speaker 14:

They asked on and they know that being forced to do something they don't want is wrong, so they hide away and some of those people.

Speaker 1:

It wasn't just a case of that them doing what they were told to do. It was just a case of you know what? I don't want the confrontation Right. I don't want to be bothered. I don't want to, you know. So they stayed home, exactly, and they didn't know how many other people were out there.

Speaker 14:

And they lost their jobs, that's why they close churches and bars.

Speaker 1:

Where are the two places you're most likely to speak your mind and come up with something, come up with a plan about something. Exactly You know you fellowship, where you drink, where you gather, so you got to close those sorts of things if you're going to make something like this work.

Speaker 14:

And there was people like me that just didn't want to see our country go down that road, because once you start allowing the government to do certain things, like you know now, they're doing the gun grab thing And they're creating, you know, black swan events and black flag events, whatever. You know the. You know the one out in New Brunswick I think it was. If you look at the evidence, and maybe the lack of thereof in some cases, you can see that it was possibly a manufactured job.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely.

Speaker 14:

Right And all one. Should you know. If you're a critical thinker, you will start reading other materials and research and come to your own conclusion, Whether that is right or wrong. That makes the whole difference. You're looking at different angles. You know when some papers are going to twist it in other ways. Well, I've often said But it became a political move for the liberals. Sure Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And the freedom convoy. So yeah, freedom convoy galvanized everybody. Everybody felt pretty good about that. When it all finally came down in a heap of UN foot soldiers and chaos, you know, I think everybody decided had a huge wave of disgust upon the entire nation when a fella used a horse to trample a lady in a scooter.

Speaker 14:

Well, yeah, it was one of the clan mothers actually So, and she had a walker, that's what it was. They tried to see somebody rode a bike underneath the horse to try and hurt the horse. Do you know? See how they spin that?

Speaker 1:

Well, and you could, but you could see it with your own eyes on TV. But you could. Yeah, it was like you know. The guy's like did you see what happened there? And you're like, no, you didn't, because what they were saying and what they were, they were literally showing you video on TV, right, and telling you that the opposite was happening. I know It was so insane.

Speaker 14:

Like it was just.

Speaker 1:

To me, it was like the disconnect between the production and the facts were just.

Speaker 14:

Well, this is how sick and perverted those people are that are trying to create this narrative for us, right?

Speaker 1:

Well, that's just it. Somebody said to me one time that it doesn't matter whether you believe in the Bible. What matters is that people do Right, and so it doesn't matter what part of the Bible they believe in. You know, a lot of them maybe have the idea that they need to make sure that happens. Yeah, and so just because they think they're on the side of good, because they're trying to make the book come to pass, doesn't mean the things they're doing in order to do that are are going to be the good things or the right things. And so it's their obsession with that that causes a lot of problems as well. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, like I heard at one point in time that they were going to build another altar on the mount and sacrifice a red heifer, and this is like, within the last couple of years, that I hear this. Yeah, how does it make sense to sacrifice a red heifer on the mount?

Speaker 14:

Well, Pope Francis goes to I think it was Saudi in the order of the UAE and they're trying to bring the three big religions together. They're building a huge facility with three buildings, that kind of interconnected in this, and I guess it's going to be in some pagan shape.

Speaker 12:

This is what I'm guessing. If you know a symbol or someone's, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 14:

But and then, and then try and tell everybody that, oh, we've come together, it's a one world, so one world religion. Sure, so that goes into revelations and whatever. So so they're trying to create what this book is telling them Absolutely Right, and so that's what you mean.

Speaker 1:

Like you, literally it doesn't matter. Like you can say, i don't believe in any of that sort of stuff. It doesn't affect me, i don't care, but it does because as long as people do, it's going to affect you.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, But pretty soon all that builds up right, And if you're complacent and you don't educate yourself, then you'll find that you're going to be in a position that you don't want to be in, And by then it's going to be too late. Well, that's what history And this is why the convoy went when it did, because it's like, look, somebody's got to do something to wake some people up to the fact that this shit is going on, and I think it did that.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely Yep.

Speaker 14:

Right And it even went global And people are still protesting for this day.

Speaker 1:

For the first time, the US wrote our coattails. It was fantastic. Hey, that's great, we're going to do that too. Hey, normally it's the other way around. We're like, what transgenderism? Heck, sign us up, but like, yeah, so outside of the Freedom Convoy right Coming out of there, people maybe think that the trucks went home and nothing else happened. I know a lot of people. I've heard lots of people say, well, what happened to the truckers?

Speaker 14:

Well, there was, you know, micro convoys buzzing around all over the place, shutting down the highway too for a couple hours every second week or so, yeah, yeah, but I think you know that ship is sailed now and everybody's settling into the fact that, well, you can only do that for so long before you know the bank takes your house Absolutely That sort of thing right?

Speaker 1:

Well, and you're up against the biggest opposition that you've ever had, even though our money system is Yeah, let's not get into that. No, but I mean just in terms of sheer power, the government of Canada is the biggest entity we would face. I mean, you could not go up against that as a you or me person and not get crushed. It's a David and Goliath moment, because they have the ability and the lawyers and your tax money, yeah Yeah, so they're pretty well funded. Right, you're going to run out of money first, exactly.

Speaker 14:

So then you know there was well then, there still is people popping up everywhere, even such as yourself, in this program right now. Right, We're still fighting the fight, but we're doing it in different ways. Absolutely Right, And still trying to wake more people up, because it's part of that. Like you heard of the experiment, the hundred monkeys thing, right, But I think I posted that on Facebook the other day, or whatever.

Speaker 8:

Absolutely.

Speaker 14:

Right. So you know, the collective consciousness is a real thing, absolutely. And the guy on that at the end, he's absolutely correct, right, you know? I want to. You know, until we reach the hundred monkey, we have to keep trying to expose, and our governments, and even international entities and whatever, we have to try and expose them and wake more people up until we reach that hundred monkey, and then the whole collective goes holy shit, we have been lied to. Our whole life has been fabricated. My mom and dad's life has been fabricated, my grandma and grandpa's life has been fabricated and they don't even fucking know it.

Speaker 3:

Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 14:

Well, they start my mom and dad are starting you know, they're getting it, but

Speaker 1:

Well, i'll tell you here's a perfect example for you how history exists. So you and I took in high school we took the French Revolution in social studies, and it was social 10. And what they taught us was that the people of France got sick of being oppressed, so they went to the palace and they pulled old Louis and Antoinette out, they lopped their heads off with a guillotine and had a wonderful democracy ever since. And that's what we're taught. And the truth is is that the guillotine had never before been used, and it wasn't the people of France that did it, It was the Jacobins. And the Jacobins came along and they lied to the people and they said listen, you know, they have it pretty good in there And you guys, you know, you guys are pretty much getting the shaft. And they're awful. They're terrible. You should listen to us And the people listening hearing it to all this BS they bought it And the Jacobins said don't worry, you won't have to do anything, we'll do it for you, we'll fix it. And the Jacobins went to the palace and the Jacobins trotted out this thing and everybody ooh la la, what is this? It's a guillotine. It had never been used in French history before. They used it as a measure to tell you exactly what they planned to do, and they cut the heads off of the rulers. And the French people suffered from the guillotine from that point forward, under some of the most arduous and terrible times ever faced by the French people. At that time, they outlawed Christianity. By the time the Jacobins were defeated, there was only two Christian churches working in the entire country, and they were doing so by threat of death underground. They took over Notre Dame, took every auspice of Christianity out of it and hung up a mermaid for the people to worship. This is the truth, yeah, and no one gets taught this part in high school It wasn't until an outside institution came to France and liberated them from the Jacobins did they ever see any kind of freedom. They were more free under Louis and Antoinette than they were ever free under the Jacobins.

Speaker 14:

That's right. And you're also taught that. You know, Marie Antoinette was crazy and she's the first one, she's the one that used the guillotine and killed thousands of French dissidents, and you know, whatever right. And it's all a bunch of bullshit. Just like the United States wouldn't be the United States if it weren't for Russia. It was Tsar Alexander or whatever. When the Civil War, I believe, the British and French actually made a treaty that they were going to go across and take it and then divvy up the spoils. Sure, well, there was all this infighting or whatnot, right? So the Tsar of Russia said no, no, no, this isn't happening. He placed all the ships, naval ships, along the Pacific and the fucking Atlantic coastlines and said no, you guys stay out, let them fight it out and be, and then they'll come to their conclusions. And that's what happened And the America was allowed to become America, but that's written out of history.

Speaker 1:

Right. We're led to believe that at some point in time somebody came over here and gave the Indians a bad time right off the bat. And then here we are Right. But and again, I don't agree with any of the way that the treaties or any of that sort of stuff worked out. I think it was in the worst interest of the indigenous people to enter into those agreements, But I also don't think that there was no way to have a unification And that's what needed to happen right off the bat.

Speaker 14:

Well back then it wasn't unification, it was assimilation.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, and that's the thing too. It didn't matter here or anywhere up until that time. You rolled into a country and you won the fight and then you instilled your ideas Right, and normally there were some other awful things, like you know, trying to outbreed the ancestry and stuff like that involved as well, which perhaps and this won't make anybody happy but perhaps the use of treaties and reservations actually managed to help preserve the Native American race. Possibly, but I'm not, that's a different story. That's a little off topic for this conversation.

Speaker 14:

So yeah, getting back to what we've been doing, you know I've been doing myself personally we've been doing a fair amount of fighting the good fight Some friends of mine would. When I first got home, we had to go park the trucks in front of colleges and agricultural colleges mostly, like Olds and Vermillion and Medicine Hat, and just invite people to come and have a conversation. We didn't go out of our way or anything if people wanted to come and talk, and it was good. The younger generation did have questions and concerns as well, and some of them were well informed. I was surprised There's not so much. So I think it was good for us to see where they were sitting, more than them, probably getting information for months or whatever. I enjoyed it probably more than they did, but yeah So anyway. Yeah so then that kind of you know, along with the convoy stuff, kind of kind of dissipated over time because it was pissing more people off than it was helping anymore, i find. And so then I took more of a political stance, like no, maybe we can get somebody in with some different views and he's there for the people and whatnot. So I went on a little campaign drive with Joseph Brigot and that went really well, other than the conservative party often seeming finding ways it seemed to oust him And in fact that's what happened. We didn't come up with enough or money or something like that. I don't know what exactly happened there, but anyway. So okay, well, that isn't going to get it done. Now, what else do you do And you know I've been involved in a number of different things, but as of late I've been part of this citizens group council. Say that we've been trying to. We've been putting together nationally called CATC It's Citizens Accountability Transparency Council. I call it NCATC because it's national. We're trying to do municipal right now and build from the bottom up, because I think we think that that's probably the best approach and it's the most important and it gets more people involved.

Speaker 1:

Trying to get more people involved. Is this like a political party, or is it like an association or?

Speaker 14:

Well, right now I guess it's a non-profit organization or not for profit. You know it's still in the formation, right, absolutely, because we're still building it. So those questions are probably better off asked to you know, the council head or something. Absolutely, I'm the Alberta representative is what I am, And there's another girl that helps out up north a bit and she's into BC. Serena Freedom Bear a few years ago.

Speaker 1:

I was at your presentation at your farm, where you spoke quite in depth about CATC, and I just thought, maybe, perhaps for our listeners that maybe wouldn't know whether or not it was, whether it was political or in terms of like a party or that's right.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, no, it's not a party, it's more of a citizen's awareness. We want to bring accountability and transparency into government. Well, how do you do that? Well, I think you start at the bottom levels, in like municipal level, say, and you'd be vigilant. You see, you know what are they trying to pass that are that's affecting you and going to affect your family's future really. The biggest one now is the 15 minute city thing in the cities, you know. But you know there was also up in Thorhill, i believe it was they under the which bylaw was the land use bylaw. They were trying to dictate what farmers could do on their own property and how many buildings they had, and, if you know, you had to permit it. So it was more of a money grab than anything.

Speaker 1:

It's a big problem in Sherwood Park right now. I was just up there a little while ago and there was a farmer up there I was talking to and he was selling stock because he was allowed to sell the stock and make money on it and then anything that he had to downsize due to the bylaw, he was paid a certain amount of money per head on top of it from the local municipality. And the thing is is that he said that everybody that had a small farm in that area that as soon as it goes up for sale, the developers come in and offer over asking price And then they clear everything out, put a giant mansion on there. Somebody that doesn't live in the area comes out and then they start to complain about the smell of the animal feces or the smell all of these sorts of things, or the noise from cows or this sort of stuff. And then they are politically motivated. The guy that I was talking to, I mean he probably hasn't seen a voting booth in 100 years And so you know. but the people that are around him are politically motivated. So these land use bylaws, they know that they can get ahold of those and they're that one company writes it for you. So I mean it's pretty easy to do and everybody knows that easy is the first way people go. Right. So now he's forced to sell. He's been living there for the last 40 years. He's forced to sell down his operation in order to remain there. And the bylaw officer came out one time and he looked around and he's seen his livestock and he told him oh, we don't, we would never give a permit for this kind of operation.

Speaker 14:

Good, heavens And it's not grandfathered. But these are the policies that are implemented or they're trying to implement within our local governments. Even that, we need people councils to be vigilant and fight for the people that aren't aware and make them aware.

Speaker 1:

Help educate your local people Well that's, and that's one of the reasons I started this podcast. People don't understand how government works. They don't know how the basic any of these sorts of things are important. People need to learn how things work. We talk about recall legislation, about being able to pull politicians out of jobs, all of this sort of stuff, and nobody understands how difficult it is to remove an elected official. It's virtually impossible to cost them their job unless they trip on their dick Yeah, literally. And even then they resign, they go home, they don't go to jail and we still pay them Right, and this is. But, more importantly, again these same people that we're paying are coming up with ways to pit us against each other. I was watching a thing and I think I shared it where there's a fellow going off about transgenderism and he says we don't really care about it. What we care about is the fact that you can't go anywhere without being shoved down your throat. You say you're the most persecuted people, but you're the most protected people and stuff like that. And again, i'm not trying to get into the transgender argument. However, the point I'm trying to make is is that everybody in Canada, this great big melting pot when I was growing up, they said it's a melting pot. We got people from everywhere. We all get along. That's why it's great. So I don't care if you're transgender, be transgender. I don't have to accept what you believe or what you think in order for us to be able to live together. And so governments they go out of their way to find these divisive topics and blow them out of proportion and put them out there so that that way it makes it, so you're distracted from the things they're doing.

Speaker 14:

Right, and that's a national policy that's being forced down our throats. But even at the local level, with these land use bylaws and stuff, we need people everywhere across this country to come together, unify. So this is one part of CATC too. It's going to help unify citizens groups all over the country, sure, and then it's creating a network that other CATC can lean on to educate themselves how to deal with that certain situation. Basically, right.

Speaker 1:

And maybe make some more capacity for people to understand how political system works or how local governance works Right.

Speaker 14:

Right? Well, the thing is is we've lost touch with this, the political and the citizen aspect, like they don't co-mingle anymore, right? Whereas CATC we're trying to shed light onto that and bring people more into the political escape so that they can understand it and make informed decisions. Sure, right. So how do you do that? Well, you got to start these groups across the country. That's what we've been doing. One of my good friends, Martin Brodman. He come to me and said, "hey, i have this idea. I read his mission statement about CATS, sure, and I said there was something I felt I had to do, because it was, i think, anytime you can unify the country, you know, and we have doctors, we have plumbers, we have whatever you know as long as and that's the way it should be to be part of CATS, though, you can't, you can't be in a political organization, actually municipal or in municipal power of any, in any way, because you can't. That way, you can't be swayed in one way or the other.

Speaker 1:

Because you're not holding public office. You're just a.

Speaker 14:

No, you're just a true citizen Sure, That you know, will have a say.

Speaker 1:

If you wanted to run for politics, you'd give up your seat in CATC for example.

Speaker 14:

Exactly, you would have to do that And I was going to do that. I was thinking of running in this election for but things don't work out sometimes the way they.

Speaker 1:

Well, and sometimes it might be, maybe you don't want to.

Speaker 14:

It might be for the best, that's right.

Speaker 1:

We had Poilierre tried twice. You know this isn't his first run it at .

Speaker 3:

That's right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he succeeded.

Speaker 14:

I don't know if I want to get into that either. Like, i think CATC is such an important thing, sure That, and a lot of people can benefit from it, and that's that's the thing, because I've been and a lot of different people. It doesn't matter. You know, there's no division here. We all just see a better future for Canada and the more informed people are, the better it is. But like right now, let's say, in Canada, i don't know what the true numbers are, but usually it's only a third of the population that's actually voting. Oh yeah, you know you. You have a right to vote in this country and you don't do it. You know you. You have a right. You do have a voice. Well, there's it's apathy.

Speaker 1:

It's apathy. People say what can I do Exactly? Well, you could start by voting Yeah And just yesterday I found somebody that they they were like I was going to vote, but I don't really know who to vote for and I don't really know anything about them, and so I just figured you know, if I don't know, it's better, if I just don't, great, well then educate yourself, Then figure it out, like so. We had a conversation, obviously, and I explained to her some of the different positions that both parties had, and one of the things that she had brought up is about how she had gotten a raise at one point while the, the um NDP was in power and how it had been scaled back under the UCP, obviously because the NDP balloons up public services.

Speaker 14:

That's just, if it doesn't directly happen to you, then you don't really give a shit, sure.

Speaker 1:

Right, but. But once you explain to somebody that the way that they are getting that is unassustainable and that they can't you know they can't keep doing that, so eventually it's going to hurt you worse because that program will disappear, because it won't be able to sustain itself. Once you start to explain that to people, they, they get a different perspective.

Speaker 14:

Well and typically that happens through the cycle of that party, and then the other party has to come along and correct it. Well, of course there's a correction And it takes four years to fix the corrections and then you have to do four years of doing your own thing.

Speaker 1:

Exactly So then people automatically give them a eight year mandate. That's like Chinese torture. It is, and it's the Lib Con nightmare. Besides that, because you have the, the liberals and the conservatives are basically two heads on the same snake. So tell me some things that you think cats would have to come up against in terms of the division or the disunity within the country created by the government in your pursuit of unifying the country.

Speaker 14:

Oh well, that's a pretty good question actually. Well, I think I think the biggest thing is is a lot of people don't want to step out of the their comfort level, their comfort zone, right, and and make that conscious decision to to stand up for not just yourself but for other people, and I think the the the biggest thing is is to get people motivated. Is is one of the hardest things. As for the coming up against the government, it's the government. They still have all the power, right. But if, if cats can get in a position where our say does matter, you know you have to start somewhere, right, sure, and you have to build something. But we're hoping critical mass does that. If we get a critical mass where, hey, you know, there's 10 million people in this country that that are saying that this is wrong, well, maybe there should be some investigate, proper investigations done, you know, by citizen councils.

Speaker 1:

You mean you don't want to use your next door neighbor at the Chateau for that?

Speaker 14:

Yeah Well, exactly right. Oh, I didn't know, Justin, my daughter's did.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, sure.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, Yeah, Oh, was she 13? You know so. but yeah, I think, as far as the government, the government can do whatever they want. they can call us whatever they want and they're going to, I'm sure, I'm sure they're going to try and debunk our whole thing.

Speaker 1:

Well, look how vilified they made Take Back Alberta Right. Which was that blew me away. Take Back Alberta gets a bunch of people organized to become actively involved in their democracy. And then the all the pundits and the people in the universities and the other politicians are like we can't have organizations like Take Back Alberta getting involved in their democracy, right.

Speaker 14:

We have to stop that like, oh, how awful, they got a bunch of people involved like, well, where I think CATC Is different from all that is, is that, hopefully, within the communities and municipalities and stuff, the people that are doing that are gonna, are gonna be active Yeah, they're, they're going to Help make change in the community and other people are gonna see that right and then they're gonna get on board And they're gonna and they're gonna be more aware and all this stuff right, not unlike a lobby group in a way Right, but, but it's more just. You know, citizens wanting to take care of themselves.

Speaker 9:

We don't we don't.

Speaker 14:

We don't need the government to take care of us. We're doing it on our own anyway, absolutely right. So but just, yes, we realize there has to be checks and balances, there has to be laws and whatever. That's that's fine, but one it when it leans one way too far. Yeah, that's where, that's where there has to be a correction.

Speaker 1:

Well, there's no accountability or equality. You're not looking at all people. You can't just carry, pick the one that you want, right? that you're gonna say this is it is Everyone right? like that's the idea behind Canada again. Melting pot right, you know we're all supposed to be in it together, so like, if that's the truth, this is the stuff that was come up with. Pure one that came up with this stuff.

Speaker 14:

Mm-hmm you know, true, don't want but we lost our first farm because of Pierre one sure and all his shenanigans, and the inflation and Absolutely, but again, we.

Speaker 1:

If you look back in history and you see Pierre Trudeau, you can see the problems that were created by that sort of governance. And yet we repeat it, because new voters come in and they say well, we're gonna legalize marijuana, we're gonna do this or we're gonna make it. So they pay less for school or whatever and they believe whatever they peddle. Because there's no law in Canada that says that politicians can't lie to you. They can tell you anything they want in a political add and you have to swallow it or not, because they don't have to be accountable for the things they say, and So and there's no group or whatever that I know of that does hold them accountable.

Speaker 14:

And that's kind of where we want to step in and and become known enough that and big enough critical mass that they have to Accept us like the gun group in the States, kind of thing. But this is more of a broader. I just mean in terms of like you're saying, sheer numbers right like it's.

Speaker 1:

I'm not trying to compare with it. No, no, that's like I'm just saying, like the NRA, whether you like the NRA or not, in the US They are a huge iteration when a politician is trying to make legislation because they are so big critical mass, like you said yeah, We were hoping that would happen with the convoy Yeah. I think it came a lot closer than you might, even like you might. I know that you know It was successful, but I think that it went a lot farther than even you understand, because it did go globally. But, like I, you, being in your position, had your perspective. And so then there there's other people outside of that sphere that had a different perspective. That was very similar.

Speaker 14:

Right, yeah right, but it was crazy how we were all there be, you know, as a collective, oh to You know, with, with one thing in mind. It was, you know, we rallied around one thing. We rallied around, i guess, you know, everybody had other Things.

Speaker 1:

I think I think there, i think you overlooked the political motivation as well. I know people that had no idea anything political that now are engaged and like angry about what's going on, because it was like they came and I'd be like there, what are you doing? And I'm like, well, I'm running some logistics for this and I'm watching a whole pile of live feed from Ottawa and they're like what's going on? I'm like, well, you should probably check this out. And then, next thing you know, they're sitting in my Living room and they're looking at their phone and they're not having a conversation with you anymore three weeks later, because they're like did you see this guy? that's, this guy that's wandering around? there is a war campaign guy. Oh man, this is crazy. You know, like it was just galvanized. Not only galvanized, but but just like it gave people hope outside of that that square they were trying to plug everybody in.

Speaker 14:

100 percent it didn't like the biggest thing I heard. One of the number of the things I heard there were we were, we thought we were alone. Yeah, you know people were scared. You know that they were alone and Thinking with their thoughts and thinking they're going crazy, being chastised in their own towns and family's not even right. And and some people said I was gonna commit suicide. I had two or three of those a day when I was down there come to my truck. It was so sad man, it was very sad, just because, well, either they couldn't work for their families and gain enough money, or or just the lunacy was getting to them because of these, these idiotic policies that man is a man should I say right and Yeah, so, so, yeah, we want to give Canadians hope that there's there's going to be a council out there of strictly citizens that know what's going on and want to want to help the rest of humanity by by thwarting off some of these globalist ideals that are now creeping into a lot of progressive, like, say, this whole school thing in the and the grooming of children and such right, or the furries letting kids have Litter boxes in schools. Now our hometown might even have one, have two of them in there right now, you know, but it but it's people like to say the janitor, that kind there was, can't remember where it was. But the janitor said, well, we're just not dealing with it. So, so the teachers can right well, pretty soon no, it's not allowed in that school anymore. So we need people to stand up and even even that's a small win for us, right, like that's, because it tells other people that, look, this is wrong, this, we don't need to cater to these ideals that that are corrupting, you know, our children's minds.

Speaker 1:

I just find it hard that when children. On that note, I just find it hard to we understand Scientifically that your prefrontal cortex, where most of your main decision-making is made, doesn't develop until you're 25 years old. So if your gender dysphoria still exists at 26 and that's what's gonna help you along then then let's discuss it then. But when you're 16, when you're 13, 12 years old or or whatever, even up till 25, how do you know that that's not just something else like, perhaps, gender-dysphoria?

Speaker 14:

I call it being impulsive. It's a lot of impulsiveness.

Speaker 1:

Well, aren't teenagers one of the most impulsive creatures on the planet? percent. So, you know, what's good today might not be good tomorrow, and it's difficult to go back when you've you've gone that far right And we need to protect people from that, just because we already know That that within their you know their development just isn't there right. And if, if after that, you want to go ahead and do it, then I'm all for it. Whatever you want, Whatever floats your boat. Again, the melting pot means that, if I respect your ability to say whatever you want, just like me, like we can have our own opinions and our own stuff, but when it comes time to stand at the grocery store, we're standing at the grocery store like two regular people. We're not stabbing each other, fighting right, that's what it's supposed to be right and then.

Speaker 14:

And that's what CATC brings, and it also brings awareness to your communities that things are happening that they may not be aware of. And it's not just the municipal government that cats will be is all kind of running over watch on, it's your school boards and And and things like that as well.

Speaker 1:

People aren't learning everything that they need to know out of the television and the nightly news. Yeah, well, yeah.

Speaker 14:

Or radio or podcasts, right, but, but the thing is is with CATC, is I think that we're trying to do a good thing here? Yeah, because I think everybody can, can, can, agree, even Whatever your political stance is, there's no accountability in politics, no, no, there has and there's no transparency from the politics and the government to its citizens, like if you have you know, you think about it. We're a hundred years probably behind in technology that the military has right now.

Speaker 1:

Well, they don't give you the straight goods. I try to tell that to people all the time. There's a new technology come out And I say that's, that's what you get. They already Decided that that was enough and whatever else is out there, they already have more going on than that, right, you know, they, they, they trickle it out to you.

Speaker 14:

So yeah, if we can, if we, we as this, an organization or councils can, can help educate people and and maybe save some of us some English.

Speaker 1:

So how would somebody get involved? if they wanted to get or know more about cats or or get involved with it, how would they do that?

Speaker 14:

Well, we have website catc dot org, catcorg org, and, just you know, fill out the paperwork or whatever if you want to get involved and and we can either get you in touch with somebody within your area that is already doing it, or maybe you might be a founding member in your area and in which case You'll be coming to the Weekly meetings. On I don't, i think we switch from zoom now I can't remember what it's on that to handle the amount of people, because we're getting a lot of positive feedback And there's a lot of people that want to get involved now and and feel that it's it's not important, you know, and I think we got to get back to community based looking after each other. I know, when I was a kid, we it was a little more prevalent Than it is today because and now it's just you know, everybody's trying to beat the Joneses and And nobody could give a shit about anybody else, right?

Speaker 1:

Well, and again they've got all these things bombarding them that makes it so that they hate their neighbor. I mean, if you think that you know, and you get these, these policies or advertising campaigns or you name it, whatever it is, you know it drives that division again and It happens in your municipalities, it happens at the federal level, the provincial level. There They, they drive that narrative where we don't need to be angry at our neighbor because we actually have more in common with them. Then we would think it's these divisive techniques that the government uses that keeps us from being able to see that.

Speaker 14:

That's right. No, you know, if CATC can, can, can unify people and You know there's people within CATC that have different, different views and opinions and that's allowed. Obvious. You have to, you know, because you have to look at all angles.

Speaker 1:

Well, again you're looking, it's Everybody. If they're gonna have a council that represents everybody, you need to have everybody represented right, right, from all walks of life.

Speaker 14:

You know all job statuses that don't matter. You could be a clerk at the quickie mark.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 14:

And you'd be on this council. As long as you're active in your community and and you know what's what's going on with the bills and policies are trying to pass and Helping inform other people, then you fit that. You fit that role when our CATC were 100% or willing to learn, or willing to learn and and and yeah, there's a lot of people now that that, um, new, new signees can learn off of and experiences and stories. And you know, we all, if you come into it like a sponge and wanting to absorb a lot of great information and meet new people and And make new friendships, man, that's what it's about, you know well, getting closer to people and the community and it sounds like a great initiative, and we do need more capacity.

Speaker 1:

Again, this podcast is a direct result of the fact that we don't have enough capacity. We don't have enough people that know what's going on at any level. I mean they just They don't teach people, because the more it is that you don't know, the easier it is to Have you do what they want you to right and to just just let them do what they want right, or or you keep the people so busy, thinking that they need to chase down the almighty dollar That they don't they.

Speaker 14:

They lose sight of what's important and what's in front of them. It's keeping people busy, distractions, divisiveness, it's. I want you realize This little web that you're in is a bunch of BS.

Speaker 1:

Your life becomes a lot simpler actually well, and you don't see the web anymore.

Speaker 14:

But but you, you can kind of manipulate things, though you know that have to do with you and how you you react to Certain things or how you control certain situations and stuff By saying no, for instance, no, i'm not gonna, i'm not gonna play that game, i'm not gonna wear a mask. You know, if you've done your research, you would know then that masks. If you look back at the Spanish influenza, that Mask caused more bacterial pneumonia and killed more people than the actual Spanish flu. And guess who did a Thesis on that? Dr Anthony Fauci. So he knew, yeah, he knew, he knows, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Again, do your research well, and I've said too. So the government's job is not to Tell me to get vaccinated. The government's job is not to tell me to stay home. The government's job is not to tell me where and when and how I can go somewhere, unless, of course, i'm under duress for a legal pursuit or something. Perhaps maybe you know, have an ankle monitor. They can tell me where to go because I've been a bad fella. But other than that, the government's job is not to do any of that sort of stuff. If the government has Information and they want me to make the right decision, it's incumbent upon the government to give me all of that information so that that way I Can make the right decision. And it's not about them hiding information, it's about them giving it all to me, telling me about how masks do not work but you may feel better wearing one or Or whatever but give me the, give me the straight goods so that that way, when I make the decision to wear the mask, or I make the decision to get vaccinated or don't, i feel good about that decision and my government isn't left being Responsible for me having done that right.

Speaker 14:

But when the information out there too is driven by huge money and trickled down and other other Studies say, and information are Suppressed, it's pretty hard for people to make an actual educated decision when they're only given one thing to read. This is true, yeah, right. So so how do we, how? How do we get that other, that, the other half of that information? How do we get that?

Speaker 1:

by starting councils and podcasts.

Speaker 14:

Exactly Right, right, Well, yeah, well you you got to start somewhere.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, i know. I agree 100%.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, and and our organization is gonna feed off of people like you, because you guys are getting a word out there which is, which is awesome, and it's nice to see someone at the local level doing this right?

Speaker 1:

Well, I want to thank you for coming on today. Well, I appreciate I've had a great time talking to you. It's always a great time talking to you. So Are you doing any kind of presentations that anybody could get involved with there, anything?

Speaker 14:

Well, you know, people can get a hold of me. I'm. I don't know if I want to put anything up there right now, but I anyway. People can get ahold of CATC, they'll go through network or whatever, and I you know I can come and do a presentation here or there to to inform other areas in the country, but you know I'm fairly busy. So nothing, I got nothing planned right now.

Speaker 1:

There might be something up in the Lloydminister here in you know, three or four weeks maybe well, you let you, let us know and we'll, we'll post it on the Twitter feed and cool.

Speaker 14:

And. Facebook and stuff and let people know what's going on you know there might be one in my, in my shop again. Sure, yeah it's. It's hard to say. I'm just kind of flying by the sea to my pounds trying to talk to as many people as I can, but I find it difficult when I, you know, I got to coach ball and run a farm and a couple other businesses and so it gets a little. Yeah, it gets a little daunting at times, but I am getting back to the CATC thing now again and It's been fun, it's it's been busy, but I think it's it's worth it And I think maybe it gives other people hope and they'll they'll maybe go out and and educate other people too to.

Speaker 1:

Let's start somewhere. One person tells one person tells one person and tells one person

Speaker 14:

right, right, and I never really saw, saw myself in this role, but, but sometimes you got to get out of your comfort levels and when you do that, that's actually when you grow as a sure, as a human, i find, i think, i hope.

Speaker 1:

Makes sense Yeah absolutely Well.

Speaker 14:

Thank you for having me, by the way, too.

Speaker 1:

Hey, no problem, any time, maybe we'll do it again, while we might have to you know Well, I guarantee that there's probably lots of reasons.

Speaker 14:

And and and there, as you can tell, we both have opinions.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 14:

How things are going.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, and no, it's always a pleasure and I'm really happy that you came now.

Speaker 14:

Maybe, maybe actually we can get together after this election, because it might be interesting.

Speaker 1:

Well, yeah, depending on who wins that next, that next bit there.

Speaker 14:

Yeah, because I don't know if the NDP get it, i might sell everything and move well there, you're not alone. Well, yeah, it's a scary proposition.

Speaker 1:

It is you bet right on right on. Thank you Always enjoy speaking with Lee and I'm sure we'll hear from him again in the future. I doubt we solved any of the world's problems, but with any luck, we've given you something to think about. Regardless, the way forward is clear only in that we need to hold Governments accountable by standing up against their policies and legislation, which only serves to divide us. We must establish our unity outside the confines of parliament and hope it creeps into the house through critical mass as Politicians begin to realize that they must once again work for and not against us. It won't be easy, that's for certain. They have all the tools at their disposal to make it a most arduous task. Hopefully, with programs like CATC, it'll become easier. I'd like to take a moment to thank you for listening to this Canadian Thanks. We appreciate your support and look forward to creating more episodes for your listening pleasure. If you're able, please subscribe. Your support helps us afford the time to make these episodes, in addition to helping us reach a wider audience. If you're listening on a platform, please hit the follow button. Be sure to hit the subscription and notification bell if you're listening on YouTube, and tell your friends and neighbors about us as well. Thanks so much once again for listening to This Canadian Thinks. Until next time, keep your mind open and don't forget to think Thanks for coming along for the ride.

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