The Syncreate Podcast: Empowering Creativity
Welcome to Syncreate, where we explore the intersections between creativity, psychology, and spirituality. Our goal is to demystify the creative process and expand the boundaries of what it means to be creative.
Creativity. It’s a word we throw around all the time, but what does it really mean? On the Syncreate Podcast, we share stories of the creative journey. We talk to changemakers, visionaries and everyday creatives working in a wide array of fields and disciplines. Our goal is to explore creativity in all its facets, and to gain a better understanding of the creative process – from imagination to innovation and everything in between.
The Syncreate Podcast is hosted by Melinda Rothouse, PhD. She helps individuals and organizations bring their creative dreams and visions to life through coaching, consulting, workshops, retreats, and now, this podcast. She's written two books on creativity, including Syncreate: A Guide to Navigating the Creative Process for Individuals, Teams, and Communities (winner of a Silver Nautilus Award for Creativity and Innovation), with Charlotte Gullick. She's also a musician (singer-songwriter and bass player) and photographer based in Austin, Texas.
The Syncreate Podcast: Empowering Creativity
Episode 109: Light and Shadow - The Art of Journaling with Keila Shaheen
Keila Shaheen is a Brazilian–Puerto Rican American scholar, international bestselling author, and musician. She is the creator of the Zenfulnote app and author of The Shadow Work Journal, which has sold over a million copies and helped introduce shadow work to a new generation. Now pioneering the practice of Light Work, Keila’s mission is to guide others toward inner transformation and creative awakening. Keila integrates depth psychology and the arts to help people reconnect with their inner world. Her work has been featured in The New York Times, Good Morning America, The Today Show, CBS News, and The Atlantic. Our conversation focuses on Keila’s personal, creative, and psychological journey, and previews her new book, The Light Work Journal.
For our creativity Pro-Tip, we encourage daily positive affirmations for psychological and creative development, such as those featured in The Light Work Journal.
Credits: The Syncreate podcast is created and hosted by Melinda Rothouse, and produced at Record ATX studios with in collaboration Michael Osborne and 14th Street Studios in Austin, Texas. Syncreate logo design by Dreux Carpenter.
If you enjoy this episode and want to learn more about the creative process in a variety of contexts, you might also like our conversations in Episode 34: Creativity and Transpersonal Psychology Part 1 with Marina Smirnova, PhD, Episode 42: Creativity & Depth Psychology with Jennifer Leigh Selig, and Episode 60: Intuition & Creativity with Intuitive Medium and Spiritual Director Steven Ross.
At Syncreate, we're here to support your creative endeavors. If you have an idea for a project or a new venture, and you’re not sure how to get it off the ground, find us at syncreate.org. Our book, also called Syncreate, walks you through the stages of the creative process so you can take action on your creative goals. We also offer resources, creative process tools, and coaching to help you bring your work to the world. You can find more information on our website, where you can also find all of our podcast episodes. Find and connect with us on social media and YouTube under Syncreate. If you enjoy the show, please subscribe and leave us a review! We’d love to hear your feedback as well, so drop us a line at info@syncreate.org.
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Melinda: Creativity and community are absolutely vital in challenging times, especially in the age of AI. Welcome to Syncreate, a show where we explore the intersections between creativity, psychology and spirituality. We believe everyone has the capacity to create. Our goal is to demystify the process and expand the boundaries of what it means to be creative. We talk with visionaries and change makers, and everyday creatives working in a wide range of fields and media - from the arts to science, technology and business.
We aim to illuminate the creative process, from imagination to innovation and everything in between. I'm Melinda Rothouse, and I help individuals and organizations bring their dreams and visions to life. At Syncreate, we’re here to support your creative endeavors. So if you have an idea for a project or new venture, but you're not quite sure how to get it off the ground, find us at syncreate.org.
Our book, also called Syncreate, walks you through the stages of the creative process so you can take action on your goals. And the book is available in both print and audiobook format. We also offer resources, creative process tools, and coaching to help you bring your work to the world.
My guest today is Keila Shaheen. She's a Brazilian Puerto Rican American scholar, international bestselling author, and musician. She is the creator of the Zenfulnote app and the author of The Shadow Work Journal, which has sold over a million copies and helped introduce shadow work to a new generation. Now pioneering the practice of light work, Keila’s mission is to guide others toward inner transformation and creative awakening. Keila integrates depth psychology and the arts to help people reconnect with their inner world.
Her work has been featured in The New York Times, Good Morning America, the Today show, CBS News, and The Atlantic. We'll also be talking about her forthcoming book, The Light Work Journal. So, Keila, it's wonderful to have you on the show today, here in Austin in person, which is such a treat.
Keila: Yeah. Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be here and to have this beautiful conversation. We always go off into, you know, these lyrical tangents in our conversations, so it'll be nice to have a place and time for that here.
Melinda: For sure. And I just want to say kind of off the bat, you know, congratulations -
Keila: Thank you.
Melinda: - on everything that you've achieved. I'm really struck by how you've shared your own… what was your own journaling practice initially and kind of bringing it to the wider world. And I think your success with that is a testament to the power of creativity.
Keila: Yeah.
Melinda: And to the resonance of this work. So, I'm kind of curious, you know, when you first wrote The Shadow Work Journal and published it, were you surprised by how much it resonated with people?
Kelia: I was really surprised, but it did take time. So I had published The Shadow Work Journal, and it was like, my side mission. After work, I’d, you know, share posts online and talk about it with my own online community. But it hadn't bled into my personal life yet and, you know, created that huge impacts that it had when it did. But, you know, once people started sharing their own journal prompts and responses, and talking about their experience engaging with these questions and with this kind of inner work, that's when it snowballed. And I was surprised, but I was also really delighted to see so many people opening up.
Melinda: Yes.
Keila: To going within, which is extremely important. And I think at the time, coming out of Covid as well, people were yearning to reconnect with not only themselves but each other. So it also gave a thread for others to follow and see that vulnerability is possible and it enhances connection. So I think the core impacts was like, sparking this movement of vulnerability. And it's like, “Yes, I can show up as a human and I can talk about what's weighing me, and I can overcome it.”
I think just having that space to put the what's weighing you on to the lightness of papers, that's already such a relief. And then just, you know, when someone sees that, it inspires them to do the same. So, it was exciting because I knew how much of an impact journaling had for me personally. So it's awesome to share that with others.
Melinda: Yeah. That's amazing. And it kind of brings to mind, you know, Brene Brown's work with vulnerability.
Keila: Yeah. She’s awesome.
Melinda: She's amazing. And then also, there's a lot of research, as I'm sure you know, on expressive writing and how, just as you said, like, getting whatever's in our minds out on the page physically through the act of writing can help, you know, kind of transform, heal.
Keila: Yeah.
Melinda: All of these wonderful things. And I think it's also so important because it's a great antidote to some of the, you know, superficiality that we're seeing these days. And, you know, people wanting to go deep and wanting to explore their inner life.
Keila: Yes. Yeah.
Melinda: Yeah. And the other thing. So, I got to preview your Light Work Journal, which will be coming out next year, which is so exciting. We'll definitely talk more about that. But what strikes me about your work also - and I know you're studying Jungian psychology and creativity at Pacifica right now, so maybe we can talk more about that. But even before you started that, I think you do a really good job of kind of presenting Jungian ideas, which can sometimes feel a little thick or obscure.
You know, if you try to read Jung directly. But like, of translating that to a wider audience in a way that is both accessible and actionable. And I'm just curious, like, kind of what was your own journey with Jungian psychology and kind of learning about these ideas of shadow work?
Keila: Yeah. So, backtrack to when I was around 20 years old, I was dealing with a lot of anxiety and depression. And anxiety was something that had bubbled up in my childhood, especially when it came to, you know, friendships and being in school and trying to fit in and things like that. So, that was dormant for a couple of years. And then, it just sparked up in my adulthood, and I was going into, you know, my early 20s and trying to find my place in the world and I remember it just getting really bad. To the point where I had to take some sort of action. I had to move whatever was, you know, unsettling inside and see what was there. So, I tried therapy and it was a struggle.
And there are two main things that were a big challenge for me. One is finding the right therapist. It's kind of like dating, right? (Laughter) I mean, there has to be some alignment and compatibility, and your personality needs to match to create that comfort. And then the second thing is that when I did start going to sessions, I felt even more drained and confused afterwards. So it was counterproductive. And, you know, I was just in a very… just a space where it's hard to do anything, right?
You wake up and you're, like, dreading the day. And when you're in that place, everything just moves in slow motion and you need to find things to snap out of it. So I was like, “Okay, what can I do for myself? Like, I need to be my own cheerleader and supporter here. Like, yes, I have this glum side, but I can also bring in my strength and my inner willpower to do something about this.” And I remember being on, like, Pinterest, you know, just self-soothing - looking at affirmations and pictures and stuff for inspiration - and I came across a quote by Carl Jung.
One of his famous quotes. And it goes like, “Unless you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.” And I'm pretty sure that that's a more boiled down version of what he has said in the past. But it struck a chord with me, and it made me ask myself, “What is in my unconscious? What is in that reservoir of unknown that should be known?” Like, maybe there's something… a key there for me to unlock, you know, a better version of myself. The version that is going to learn from whatever this phase is in life. And that's when my interest in psychology sparked, and I started learning more about Carl Jung and his philosophies, and everything around that. And it excited me.
I think just the aspect of like, doing research in psychology also inspired me, and learning is the best way for me to apply myself. So, yeah. I, you know, started journaling in my diary and unlocking new insights and, you know, creating shadow work prompts for myself to answer. And then when one answer would come about, three more questions would come about. And, you know, just following this branch of knowledge within.
Of insight and wisdom and answers that I needed at the time. So, yeah, I remember this season of life lasted maybe like, 6 to 9 months. And by the end of it, I could look back and see how much I had grown, and so much that was carrying charge on me was dissolving and holding less of a charge. And that's when you know like, “Oh! This had an impact. Like, this made a difference.”
Melinda: Yeah.
Keila: And it's all self-guided. So, it's even more rewarding.
Melinda: Yeah. Amazing. And thank you for sharing that, because I think you're demonstrating that vulnerability that you talk about. And I think so many people can relate. I think that's why this work is so resonant. We've all had those times in our lives when we've struggled with anxiety or depression, life circumstances, whatever the cause. And, you know, we/you and I like to talk a lot about kind of creativity as a tool for psychological growth and development and, you know, kind of inner reflection.
But, you know, I'm always curious about people's creative process, especially on this show where we focus so much on creativity. And, you know, there's a lot of people that journal… there's a lot of people that go through difficult life circumstances, but very few people are able to then use that to create something that can be of such benefit to the world. Right?
Keila: Yeah.
Melinda: And so, I'm curious, like, in terms of your own creative process… I don't know exactly the question… but like, how did you parlay all that personal work, you know, doing like, the idea, “Oh, maybe I can use this to help other people too…”?
Keila: Yeah. One thing that has been a habit for me over - I mean, my whole life is just this idea of collecting thoughts and ideas, and things that spark something inside of me. So, for example, with the Shadow Work Journal, once I reached the light at the end of that tunnel, I looked back and I looked up the entire repository of collected notes and quotes, and thoughts and poems and… if you could picture someone just like sitting on the floor, just with a bunch of papers around them in books and stuff, (laughter) like, that's where I was. That's like, the peak of before a creation happens for me.
And I think everyone can find whatever that means for them. But yeah, there is a long period of self investigation that occurs before the culmination of a creative projects. So, that's where I found myself with the journal. And I remember I had written my own shadow work prompts because I couldn't find many online. And I was using blank journals because there wasn't a journal online. So, I just had a light bulb moment and thought, you know, there should be some framework for this. Something, you know, that you can open and be guided and stuff, because you know when it’s self-guided, you can easily forget, maybe go on tangents in life and maybe not revisit as much as you could.
So, yeah, that helps me dream up what the Shadow Work Journal could look like. And a big part of the journal was, like you mentioned, accessibility, not only in terms of it being a journal, but also like, the way that exercises were created and things like that. I did it with like, a childlike mindset. So something might ask you to draw out what anger looks like. Or maybe it's four prompts but in like, a box with other boxes. So I tried to make it like a children's workbook because a lot of this work is dealing with your inner child as well. So, just having that framework that feels approachable and doable, no matter who you are or how old you are. You know, thousand other parts of the creative process there.
Melinda: Yeah. So interesting. And then, you know, you have other creative pursuits in addition to publishing. You're a musician and you do DJ sets, and all kinds of creative work. So, I'm curious maybe how these kind of Jungian depth psychological processes have inspired your own creativity in various areas?
Keila: I mean, it's expanded it so much. When I started getting into DJ-ing, I had gotten a mic and it felt so vulnerable. I think that's another word that applies if you're a vocalist or you do any kind of musical performances. It's so vulnerable.
Melinda: It's you. You’re putting yourself out there.
Keila: It’s you. It’s your core. Yeah. It’s your energy and you can hear every little grain like, of expression. So, it definitely opened up this new world of voice and finding my voice and so, where the worlds overlapped was, I loved grabbing poetry books, Rumi books, you know, books in depth psychology that I had collected over the years, and opening up to a random page and then finding a couple of words or phrases and using them for lyrics, and then overlaying vocals on music that was playing.
And yeah, it felt like magic. Like, there is something synchronistic there that I could pull from wisdom and meaning and depth, and bring it into play and dance, and flow state. So, yeah, it's been a really exciting journey.
Melinda: Yeah. And one of the things that we've talked about over time is like, how do you balance running a business and nurturing your creative work at the same time? And how are you - because I know, you know, you've been able to take this publishing and you have an app as well, Zenfulnote app. You've made a a business out of it - and so I know that can be all consuming, right? And so, how are you finding ways to balance your own creativity with running a business?
Keila: Yeah. It’s a great question. And when I was sitting with that question, trying to answer, that's where I found you. And you helped me, you know, find the right pathways and learn how to channel my energy in a way that's going to be productive for my well-being and, you know, for my purpose. So, I mean, just taking a step back. It’s really all about how you channel your attention and energy. And sometimes, we can be pulled into one area of life and sucked into that vortex, and you're looking out like, “Oh, I want to also put my hands in these other places.” But the deeper you are in one area, the harder it is to come out.
So, I had to do some reevaluation and understand, you know, the different aspects of my life - relationships, family, business, creativity, passion. You know, I put those in the same bucket. And take all the energy back in words and then channel it properly. You know, we all have a finite capacity during the day. So, yeah, I was able to automate a lot of some of the business stuff and get it to the place where it's sustained and maintained. And if, you know, when I'm working on it, it’s something that is going to make an impact.
And it's not just like mindless work that feels productive but might not be productive. And yeah, I created this new room within myself to fill with these creative pursuits and experiments, and exploration. So it's been really fulfilling.
Melinda: Yeah. Yeah. And I often like, you know, in coaching or with my students, you know, encourage people to find time every day to devote to their creativity. You know, whatever people can afford given their busy lives. But whether it's a half an hour, an hour, or even more. So, do you have like, certain times of day when you focus on your creativity or certain kind of like, you know, time frames? Or how do you organize that?
Keila: It’s been really sporadic. But I do recommend that you incorporate structure, especially in the beginning when you're trying to get some momentum. I find myself spending like more of the evenings on musical pursuits. There's something about like, once the sun is setting and it gets dark and moody, and you can really tap within. And then for writing, definitely during the daytime. I think I go by the sun. Really like, up when the sun is shining out, and you know, I want to write, that’s more of an outdoor thing for me. And then, yeah, if I want to do something more like, laptop heavy and, you know, music, then it'll be a nighttime.
Melinda: Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, of course we're, you know, naturally attuned to the cycles of the day and nature and all of that, even though it's easy to forget it in our technological age. Right? So I think that makes a lot of sense.
Keila: Yeah. For some people, I think the time… setting aside a specific time for creative activities will make a difference for other people. I think creating the right environments.
Melinda: Yes.
Keila: There’s a different factor for me. I'm like, a body person like we've talked about before.
Just the somatic, you know, the experience in the body. That's what activates. Yeah.
Melinda: Definitely. Yeah. And that's why - and we've talked about this in other episodes of the podcast - you know, just getting into our bodies, whether it's yoga or exercise or dance or movement, whatever it can be. But that can be such a great catalyst for creativity.
Keila: Definitely.
Melinda: Yeah. So, I want to make sure we talk about the Light Work Journal, your new book, which is coming out next year. Yay!
Keila: The Light Work Journal. Little preview.
Melinda: Yes. And so, tell us a little bit about how you, you know, you spent all this time and focus on shadow work, right? Which is really about kind of going into the depths of the unconscious and trying to bring whatever might be repressed or suppressed into our conscious awareness. And then at some point there was a shift were you realized like, “Oh, we need light work too.” So, how do you define light work? You know, in contrast to shadow work and kind of what inspired this new book?
Keila: Yeah. So, light work is the practice of nurturing your inherent strengths, your energy source, and your virtues and life. And, you know, all shadow work allows us to unearth the pains and the repressed aspects of ourselves and our personalities. Light work is the aftermath. It's what you do with all that information. It's how you choose to live out the wisdom that you've gained from shadow work. So, I mean, I had been doing unconscious work for years and years and really getting into it, and at one point, I needed something to balance that inner work.
And I think this is, I mean, this is really important for people to understand how to show up in the world once you've gone so far in the unconscious. It can be just this overwhelming pool of symbols and images, and synchronicities and, you know, keys and messages. And there's so much beauty in that. And, you know, having a creative practice allows you to see that and alchemise, and process it. But at some point you need to come back up for air. And breathe.
Melinda: Yeah. It can be very intense.
Keila: It can be intense. So, I needed something to help me balance when things did get intense or confusing. And that's what light work slowly became. And I think the beauty of this practice is that I was evolving as I was evolving the concept as well. And it's definitely a reflection of my learnings over the past two years. I think it's been almost two years developing it. But there is a couple parts in here. There's an initial educational portion where you can read through the different chapters and see an introduction to light work.
And I also included a figure of the psyche where you can see the persona. The ego, the self, the shadow and the self. The whole self is like the entire sun, right? And it's radiating and it's whole and full. So, this will help you understand where the voices in your mind are coming from. Whether it's from your persona or your ego or your shadow, or if it's, you know, a reflection of that whole light self. There's also a map of conscious awareness that I included, and it helps you pinpoint where you are energetically in life.
And I actually looked at the data from the Zenfulnote app to see what the top emotions people were checking in. And most of them were in the gray. They were like, numb or stagnant. So, I found it helpful to put a map of, you know, the top 15 emotions that people were checking in. And mapping that from shadow to light. So, that's part of the practice as well. And yeah, there's a bunch of prompts in here. Madlibs, fill in the blanks. Which people loved from the other journals. And there's also some interactive accompaniments in like, the light work motivational track. You can listen to it and read. So there's other dimensions in the book as well.
Melinda: Yeah. So you do have, you know, QR codes throughout the book that link to the app. And we've mentioned the app, but tell us a little more about the app and how it connects to the journal.
Keila: Yeah. So the Zenfulnote app is a resource for people if they don't bring their journal around everywhere. It’s, you know, shadow work in the back of your pocket. So, it's even more accessible since everyone always has their phones around. But you're able to track your emotions. You can track your triggers. You can even track glimmers. The small moments of joy and appreciation that you experience in life. There's also shadow work prompts in there.
And you can sort through different themes, whether it's romance or dreams or self-discovery. There's a bunch of different themes in there, and whatever you need, I feel like the app has a place or some guidance to explore.
Melinda: Amazing. Yeah. So, if people are, you know, kind of feeling stuck in their creativity or blocked (which is a common occurrence), you know, what are your recommendations? Like, certain kinds of prompts or things like that.
Keila: Definitely prompts. I'm always a question person. I think if you put yourself up to the challenge, sometimes procrastination is one of the huge creative blocks, and I experience it a lot of the time. So, putting yourself in a space where you can take some action and ask yourself, like, “If I had ten minutes of doing something creative, what would I do? And when do I have times today for that?” It makes it more accessible and you create the expectation that it's going to happen that day.
But I'd also ask, you know, what's the blockage like? What's stopping you? Or what are you trying to protect by holding off? You know, is it coming from a certain fear, or a feeling of unreadyness? So, there could be so many aspects. And those are our shadow characters trying to protect us. So, it's important to listen. Listen beyond the “I don't have time right now.” Or “Maybe tomorrow.”
Melinda: Yeah. And I mean, I know people are also often afraid of delving in to what's in their mind, you know, not even the unconscious mind, but even what's happening in their maybe subconscious mind or, you know, I think that's why sometimes people fear meditation or internal work like this because they're afraid of, like, what's gonna come up potentially. But on the other hand (and I think this speaks to light work), you know, you've touched on this… this is a firm belief of mine as well, that our creativity is connected to our life force energy.
Keila: Yes.
Melinda: And if we suppress it or hold it down or put it off to the side, you know, we're actually repressing our own energy and possibilities.
Keila: Yeah.
Melinda: So, like, would you have any words of encouragement for people who maybe want to express their creativity more or on some level want to explore the unconscious, but they're a little bit afraid of what might come up?
Keila: You have a choice, always. And you can't forget that. So, when you do start to journal or draw, you know, follow where your psyche takes you. You should always remember that you can say, “No, no, thank you. I'm done with this practice now and I can go outside or, you know, go cook something or do something small.” And I mean, just be curious, if you do want to stay in that space and sit with whatever emotions arise (and maybe they're sticky), you know, don't over identify with what comes up. Just stay with curiosity and let that be the safe zone that you you live in internally while interacting and engaging, and analyzing those parts.
Melinda: Yeah. Yeah. And I think despite that fear, there's another quote attributed to Jung. “There's no way out that's through.” And that actually the pathway to greater joy and awakening and just happiness is, we have to process through those more difficult things. But, you know, the good news is there's light on the other side of that.
Keila: Definitely. Yeah.
Melinda: Yeah. So, I usually like to conclude each episode with what I call a Creativity Pro Tip. Something that people can go out and try on their own. Obviously, you've got tons of wonderful resources and prompts that people can tap into, but is there a particular prompt from the Light Work Journal that you would love to share with people today?
Keila: Let's see. Maybe we could do some light work affirmations.
Melinda: Sure.
Keila: Okay. “I am strong, capable, and resilient. I rise above challenges with courage and grace. Every obstacle is an opportunity for growth. I trust my ability to overcome difficulties. My inner strength shines as a beam of hope. I draw strength from my past and build my future. I am resilient and emerge stronger with each test.”
Melinda: Beautiful.
Keila: And I think the power of spoken word, is felt so deeply. So, I think affirmations can really activate creativity or strength or anything you're looking for inside of yourself. It's a catalyst.
Melinda: I absolutely agree. And you know, some people might consider affirmations to be like, kind of “woo woo” or whatever, but, you know, psychologically they are very powerful because again, wherever we place our mind, that's the direction we're going to go in. And my business partner Charlotte, who I do the shorter podcast episodes with, she's also a writer, and she has been sharing recently how she just started doing this affirmation because she was feeling a little stuck.
Like, I'm paraphrasing. I don't remember the exact wording, but basically “I am a powerful, successful novelist.” She's working on a novel right now, and she said just doing that affirmation every day, she had a goal of writing like, 10,000 words, and she's already up to 80,000 words.
Keila: Wow.
Melinda: And she said it supercharged her writing practice.
Keila: Wow. That’s incredible.
Melinda: Yeah.
Keila: I mean, we're affirming all the time, every day with the words that we speak. So why not do what we do already, but with more intention?
Melinda: Exactly.
Keila: Because it really restructures your belief system and your belief system shows. It shows.
Melinda: Yeah. Absolutely. And so many of us are already really, really good at the negative self-talk, but not so good at the positive. So, again, it's like, I think so much of what we're talking about today, it's like, the yin and the yang. The dark and the light. The shadow work and the light work. It's like, we need both. Both are important.
Keila: Yeah.
Melinda: But for a lot of people, you know, we tend to dwell in the negative. And that's a survival mechanism, right? But we need to bring in more of that positive self-talk, and affirmations are a great way to do that.
Keila: I agree.
Melinda: Yeah. So, it's been such a pleasure.
Keila: It has.
Melinda: Thank you so much.
Keila: Thank you.
Melinda: Is there anything you want to add that we haven't touched on yet?
Keila: I mean, we could do a whole other episode on other topics. (Laughter)
Melinda: I know. Maybe we should. Yeah. Definitely. To be continued.
Keila: Yeah. If you guys liked some of the sneak peeks that I showed today. The Light Work Journal is out on April 14th next year. So…
Melinda: Perfect.
Keila: It's available to pre-order too.
Melinda: And where can people find it, and where can people find out more about you and all the work that you're doing? What are the best places to connect?
Keila: So, you can find the Light Work Journal and all my other journals on Amazon, Barnes and Noble's, Books-A-Million, Target. And you can find me on Instagram and TikTok, YouTube at Zenfulnote or Keila Shaheen (if you want to look at my personal stuff).
Melinda: Perfect. Awesome. Well, thank you again, Keila.
Keila: Thank you.
Melinda: It's been so fun.
Keila: It has. Thanks for having me.
Melinda: And we'll do another one.
Keila: Let's do it. I’m down.
Melinda: Yeah. Okay. Find and connect with us on YouTube and social media under @syncreate. If you enjoy the show, please subscribe and leave us a review. We're recording today at Record ATX Studios in Austin, in person with Keila. The podcast is produced in collaboration with Mike Osborne at 14th Street Studios. Thanks so much for being with us, and see you next time.
