Healing Self-Worth And Attracting Healthy Love With Coach Navi Bliss

What if the love you want begins with the way you speak to yourself in the mirror, the glass of water you drink at sunrise, and the boundaries you keep when others won’t? Our guest, certified love and relationship coach Navi Bliss, takes us from a childhood marked by abuse and years of toxic relationships to a life rebuilt on self-worth, discernment, and joy. Her story is raw, but her tools are clear: stop outsourcing your value and start practicing it daily.

We dig into the four pillars of confidence that anchor Navi’s work. First, align your values so they don’t fight each other—redefine success so freedom, health, and ambition can coexist. Second, build self-trust with tiny promises you never break, turning reliability into identity. Third, live your passions to reignite energy and magnetism, even if your hobby is obscure. Fourth, practice loving kindness in four dimensions—mental, physical, spiritual, and aesthetic—because micro-rituals signal to your nervous system that you matter. Along the way, we unpack why “why” is the wrong question for ongoing abuse, how to set boundaries with a parent, and why representation in coaching opens doors for those who’ve never felt seen.

Dating gets a refresh here, too. Instead of chasing timelines, we explore going out for joy and stories, noticing red flags early, and letting healthy love find you when you’re not grasping. From a client who found lasting partnership in her late 50s to a laugh-out-loud red flag on a second date, the message is simple: you’re not late, you’re ready when you’re aligned. Expect practical steps, compassionate reframes, and a hopeful reminder that confidence is a daily practice, not a finish line.

If this conversation helped you, follow and subscribe, share it with someone who needs it, and leave a quick review—what’s one tiny promise you’ll keep today?

Connect with Navi:

Website: www.naviblisscoaching.com
Instagram: @navibliss
Podcast: blissful-love-podcast
Clubhouse/Twitter: @navibliss
LinkedIn: Navi Bliss
Facebook: Navi Bliss
TikTok: @NaviBliss

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Guest Introduction
• 1:17 Childhood Abuse And Lost Self-Worth
• 3:01 Marriage, Betrayal, And Rock Bottom
• 4:14 Leaving Domestic Violence And Choosing Healing
• 6:18 Representation And Finding Purpose In Coaching
• 8:13 Boundaries With An Abusive Parent
• 10:20 Why Versus What: Reframing Acceptance
• 12:08 Social Judgment And Self-Sourced Validation
• 14:38 Triggers, Mirrors, And Sharing Hard Stories
• 16:53 Do We Attract What We Haven’t Healed
• 18:19 The Four Pillars Of Confidence Overview
• 19:04 Pillar 1: Live Your Values Without Conflict
• 22:21 Pillar 2: Build Self-Trust With Tiny Promises
• 25:02 Pillar 3: Live Your Passions To Rekindle Energy
• 27:03 Pillar 4: Daily Loving Kindness In Four Areas
• 31:05 Micro-Rituals, Aesthetics, And Energy Shifts
• 34:12 Coaching Work, Programs, And Evolution
• 36:18 Dating For Joy, Not Deadlines
• 38:17 Great Time Or Great Story: Dating Mindset
• 41:08 Love At Any Age: Client And Family Stories
• 45:18 Limiting Beliefs, Daily Practices, And Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

Welcome back to the Against All Odds, the Less than 1% Chance podcast with your host, Maria Aponte, where we will hear stories of incredible people thriving against all odds. And my hope is that we can all see how life is always happening for us, even when we are the less than 1% chance.

SPEAKER_02: 0:20

Hey, hey! Welcome back to Against All Odds, the Less than 1% Chance podcast with your host, Maria Aponte. I am here again with an amazing guest, and I'm so excited for you to hear her story and just to see how through adversity you can come out the other side. And so I'm just gonna quickly introduce her and then we're gonna get started so you can hear from her. Today's guest is Navi Bliss. She's a certified and love and relationship coach, inspirational speaker, host of the Blissful Love podcast, and contributing author to two number one best-selling books. Her solo book, Broken to Blissful, arrives in 2026. I'm so excited for that. And her work has been featured on global news, CTV, breakfast television, a plus media, and a chickens and chicken soup for the soul. Wow, I grew up on that. That's so crazy. After surviving a childhood marked by abuse and years of toxic relationships, Navi reached a breaking point that led her to deep healing and transformation. Now she dedicates her life to helping others rebuild their self-worth, fall in love with themselves, and attract the healthy relationships and fulfilling lives they deserve. Please welcome Navi Bliss. Welcome, Navi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Oh, I'm so, so excited. So give me an idea of what your against all odds story is and how you've gotten to the point that you are today.

SPEAKER_00: 1:56

Yeah, absolutely. So my story started in childhood. So I grew up in a home with a mother that was physically and emotionally abusive towards me. So I grew up not having self-worth, not having self-esteem. I know that dealing with self-worth issues is something that every single person can relate to. And sometimes for some people, it comes later in life. Maybe you had it at one time and then you lost it. I never had it. My mother was somebody that would tell me that no one's ever gonna love me, that I'm not good enough, that no one's ever gonna want me, that basically that everything, like physically, emotionally was wrong with me. And that sent me into a place where I was seeking love and validation in all of the wrong places because I just wanted someone to love me. I wanted someone to see me. I wanted someone to accept me. And the thing my mother would always say to me is like, no one's ever gonna want you, no one's ever gonna want to be with you. And I ended up getting married really young because I just needed someone to choose me. And when I got married, I thought, okay, someone chose me. Now this means I'm worthy. This is proving to me that I'm worthy. And what happened is that my ex-husband cheated on me with someone and had a child with someone while we were still married. So whatever my self-worth was before, so let's say it was a negative 100, now we're at a negative 200 because instead of proving my mother to be wrong, it proved my mother to be right. And that's what happens when you outsource your worth to somebody, right? And that led me on a path of even worse relationships. And I ended up in two domestic violence relationships back to back because again, I just I needed someone to love me, I needed someone to choose me, and I felt even less worthy than I ever had before.

SPEAKER_03: 3:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 4:00

Because there are some people that may not know this, but the most dangerous time in an abusive relationship is when you're trying to leave.

SPEAKER_03: 4:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 4:09

And when I walked away from that, I realized okay, if I ever end up in this situation again, that's it. I'm not gonna make it out. So I need to make sure that I don't end up in this situation ever again. And I knew that I was willing to do whatever it took. I was if I needed to be alone forever, I was willing to be alone forever. But I needed to go on this healing journey because if I ended up in a situation like that, was I was not gonna make it out of there. And through this healing journey, which included a lot of things, at one point included therapy and then it included coaching, I found my self-worth. But not only did I find my self-worth, I also found my purpose. Because in finding my self-worth, one, I started to realize oh, if I can give myself the love and validation that I need, I don't need to seek it outside of myself. And I get to seek relationships and experiences simply because they fulfill me, not because I'm going in as an empty vessel needing something from this person. And I get to exercise a completely different level of discernment in doing that. But second, I also realized that when I was coming from a place of self-worth, everything that I was attracting and magnetizing into my life, every person was completely different. And so were all of the people that I was coming into contact with, and that everything started to flow effortlessly. And when I was in coaching, like first I started doing private coaching, and then I was in group coaching, and then I realized that everyone in that group coaching program wanted my thoughts, wanted my opinion. And I realized I also had a gift of being able to see things for other people, and that led me to go get my certification and do my training and to become a coach myself so that I could be the person that I needed so many years ago. And it also is something that was that I was really passionate about because something that held me back for a long time is obviously the coaching space is big and it's vast, but I didn't see myself in that space, right? So I would look at these women and that were beautiful blonde white women, and I would think, how can they possibly understand my what I've gone through? Yeah. And I don't think that when you look at someone externally, you can tell if they can understand or if they can't, but it is something that when we don't see ourselves represented that holds us back. And I realize that there was something missing in that space as well.

SPEAKER_02: 6:46

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, a lot of I think now it's changed a bit, but a lot of the like self-help and all there was a lot of men. It's very heavy in that male coach perspective. And so when you do see even as a woman, and then as a woman of color or someone that you're not typically represented by, you're like, you don't, I can understand. You you're like, how do they even know what I've gone through? And so it becomes another hurdle for you to even like connect and believe what they're saying to you when you don't feel even represented.

SPEAKER_00: 7:34

Yeah, and when you're coming from a place where you are broken and traumatized, you're already feeling so unworthy and there's so much shame associated with your story, right? And so when you don't feel see, like you're gonna look for ways to not feel seen, right? Because you're you just think that the thing that may you might be special, but the thing that makes you special is your pain and your problems, not who you are as a person.

SPEAKER_02: 8:01

Yeah, absolutely. So do you currently have a relationship with your mom?

SPEAKER_00: 8:08

No, I do not.

SPEAKER_02: 8:10

And like, are you aware of anything that like why would your mom treat you that way? Have you ever gotten to that question? Like, why are you like this with me?

SPEAKER_00: 8:25

So the thing is, what I can like surmise from the situation is that she is unwell and deals with her own mental health problems, right? But the thing is, she's not somebody who wants to acknowledge anything or who wants to get help or who wants to change. And me choosing to not have a relationship with her, also that is not about me holding on to anger and resentment, because holding on to anger and resentment that would only be seeping in and destroying my life, also affecting my self-worth because you can't carry resentment without all it affecting your self-worth at the same time, right? But it's also understanding that okay, you can forgive what has happened, you can forgive what is in the past, but you cannot forgive what is happening. And the thing with my mother is if I had a relationship with her, even during the portion of my adult life, it's been a long time since I've had a relationship with her, but for the portion of my adult life that I did have a relationship with her, she continued to be abusive because she does not want to get help. She does not want to self-reflect or change anything about herself. And that's her prerogative, right? But the thing is, you can't forgive ongoing abuse because if it's continuing to happen, and sometimes we get so caught up in any sort of relationship, right? So whether it's like a parent relationship or like a past relationship with a past lover, and you're like, why is this happening? Right. And the thing is, when we're in any sort of relationship with anyone, it's not our job to diagnose them or to be their therapist or to be their doctor or to heal them or to do anything like that. That is their job. So why is tends to be the wrong question. It's the what. And it's the what is happening. And can I accept this or can I not accept this? And that's all that matters. And when you focus on that, it becomes much easier to figure out what your next steps need to be.

SPEAKER_02: 10:20

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I think people also get caught up because unfortunately, you're not alone in the fact that parents, there's just some parents that were maybe not meant to be parents and don't have that nurturing or or are just not well. But I've come across people that it's just been very hard to disconnect from that. And I think that it's so amazing that you have been able to remove yourself from that relationship and say, okay, you did what you did in the past. I'm not gonna hold that against you. However, I'm still I still have enough love and self-worth that I know that I need to keep my distance away from you because if not, it's just gonna keep going. And it's important to highlight the fact that you can still have that type of disconnection to something that happened that you don't need to continue to endure it.

SPEAKER_00: 11:25

Yeah. And the thing that I think, okay, what makes the disconnection so hard, right? And I experienced this as well, is that you're gonna get a lot of judgment from people in your life, especially when you're disconnecting from a parent, because there are so many people that will still tell me, but that's your mother, that's still your mother. And it's like, yes, but it's not, it's not a life sentence. And at the end of the day, it's if I keep taking all of that in, and then I keep what am I gonna do that? I'm gonna destroy myself or I'm gonna project that hurt outward onto other people and I'm gonna continue this cycle of hurting other people because that to me doesn't make sense. And also, because I've experienced both sides of it, I've experienced the childhood abuse from like a parent, and then I've experienced domestic violence. People are so quick to point the finger when someone is in a domestic violence relationship and say, why don't you leave? This is your fault that you're not leaving and you're staying here. And yet, when the exact same thing is happening, right? If it's a parent and they're beating you, they're emotional and they're emotionally beating you and they're taking advantage of you, and then it's like, no, no, no, but you need to work it out. You need to work it out. And this is where it's just the thing is you're always going to make other people unhappy. And that's where it's you have to learn to self-source your validation. And it doesn't mean that it's not hard because we are humans and we're meant to live in community, and that's where why we seek validation from other people, because like we can we'll also die from isolation, but also realizing that someone who is fully concerned with your well-being is gonna care about your well-being and you doing the things that you need to do for your well-being. And oftentimes when it comes to a parent, if you're getting pushback, one of the things that I always say is then ask someone, say this was my husband or this was my boyfriend, and they were beating me and they were abusing me. Would you tell me that I need to go back and work it out and I need to solve this, or would you tell me that I need to leave? Because if that person isn't gonna change, then what level's difference? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 13:23

Yeah, what's the difference? Yeah, and I think that's why I wanted to highlight that because my sister went through domestic violence relationship before, and I remember being the sister that vaguely knew, right? I had my suspicions that this was happening, and she diverted the conversation as much as possible and so forth. But I don't know, gut instinct, something kept telling me, and the first thing I was like, leave him, get away from him. And I think we're so quick to say, well, this outside person needs to be removed from your life. But when it's an internal uh relationship, right? Like a parent, it's more dismissed. And I'm like, no, you're still a human being, you still deserve better than this, you still deserve to love yourself. And I think that it's like you said, what's the difference? It's still being treated the same. I'm being treated the same by both parties. Why would I not leave the parent if I need to leave the relationship?

SPEAKER_00: 14:33

And I think one of the big things is like that what triggers people is one, that either they're looking at their own family-like relationships, and then when you say that you cut somebody off because of toxic behavior, maybe they're triggered because they engage in some sort of toxic behavior and they're afraid of being cut off. That could be a big part of it, or that they're sitting there and they're accepting toxic behavior or abuse from another person in their family, and because they're doing it, they think that it's like they need to normalize it, right? That other people should do it. Or I've also noticed that when people become parents, then it taps into like their fear of what if my child does this in the future, right? And the thing is, if you can just take a step back and understand some of the things that are triggering other people and just realize this is you, this is your situation, and they get to they can feel triggered, they can feel all of that. And sometimes people that will, part of the resiliency and being able to deal with this and finding the courage to be able to hold strong to what is the best decision for you, is just allowing those people to have space because some people will never be able to understand, and some people will take a step back and take a breath, and they will come back and they will support you and they will understand. And oftentimes we want people to have to hold space and to have grace for our situation, but we're not doing the same in return. And sometimes it's just like we just have to allow sometimes breathing room and relationships for people to be able to work out their own stuff and be able to come back as well.

SPEAKER_02: 15:58

Yeah, I definitely agree. I think that a lot of the times when people feel uncomfortable about any situation, it's more because we're like holding up a mirror and they're seeing something in in our situation that triggers them. And I've had that experience multiple times where I have talked about my sexual assault and then what transpired because of that. And people are like, How can you speak about that? Or I've talked about with my daughter's permission, I've talked about her mental health and the struggles that we went through growing up, and and it was always not for showing, but I got criticized so much for that. How could you talk about your daughter's episodes or whatever? And I what they didn't see was all of the DMs that I would get from parents that were truly struggling and feeling alone in this despair of I don't know what else to do with my child, that now they can find a source in me of the things that I'm doing to move past this situation. And honestly, I have had to come to a point where I'm like, it's a mirror. Yeah, I'm just a mirror that they're seeing something in my story that's triggering them, and I can't do anything about that. I can only take care of what I'm responsible for, I can only take ownership of what my responsibility is. And I felt like the story was too important to not share.

SPEAKER_00: 17:39

Yeah, no, and I think it applies like across the board to everything, right? Like when we get like that response, it has to do with either what we're enduring or the rules that we have for ourselves, right? If someone can be like critical of another person's appearance, it's because even if they're not, their appearance isn't like that, let's just say they're critical of someone else's weight or something along those lines. It could be that okay, they're criticizing that person's weight because either they're struggling with it themselves or like the level of effort and deprivation that they go through to maintain their weight themselves, and they're like, How can this person just be comfortable in a different body? And then I'm comfortable, and it goes against the rules that they have for themselves, right? Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, and it's not about you, it's about them.

SPEAKER_02: 18:24

Yeah. So do you feel you attracted that type of person to then go into a relationship after I don't know, I feel like when we don't heal from something, we continue to attract the same thing. It's like life saying, Hey, hey, hey, I need you to work on this. And we're like, leave me alone. I just need to move forward. And the life is just giving you signals and until you're like, enough is enough. I need to do something to change. Is do you feel like that was part of it? I've experienced it in in multi in other areas of my life, but I wonder if it's the same. Like you just continue to attract that same type of person until you're like, No, I need to work on this.

SPEAKER_00: 19:13

Yeah, and I think it's I do, but I think it's like even more okay, because the one thing I always tell people is, okay, if you're gonna look for things that are wrong in you, like you're never gonna like fully heal on your own. Like part of healing happens in partnerships because that can also become like a barrier to people. But it's actually it is that, but it's not even more in this energetic woo way that it's the universe keeps bringing you the same thing, it's that the red flags and all of it is there from day one. But when you don't feel like you're worth anything, right? And it's like you are accepting that. And then because you accept that, it accelerates and it accelerates and it accelerates, right? And whereas when you actually have come from a place of self worth, the first moment that someone disrespects. You're going to be so turned off. You're going to be like, ew, what? No. That's going to be your natural response. That it's not even like this thing that has to be thought out, right? That if you're coming from a place of self-worth, and let's just say even as simple as someone approaching you at a bar and their first thing that they say to you is negging you, right? But you're not coming from a place of wanting their approval, you're immediately going to be repulsed and want to walk away. But if you're coming from a place of not having any self-worth, you're going to be dying for their approval and you're going to go into this place where now you're begging for their approval. And that's the first moment of interaction. So it's not even, like I said, in this, it can happen in this more energetic way, but it's also this in this way that's that you can start to see change so quickly by starting to make little shifts that all of a sudden you start to notice all of these things. And even though you might still not feel like you're this supermodel goddess person, you're gonna feel good enough that you're gonna be like no one should ever speak to anybody that way. And so I'm not gonna accept that.

SPEAKER_02: 21:05

Yeah, absolutely. So how did you start shifting that that inner self-worth and confidence? And how did that start shifting for you?

SPEAKER_00: 21:18

So it this is like a slow process and it happens in baby steps, right? And this is where I get it because I've been in that place, right? Where we're so unhappy with ourselves that we want our lives to do a 180 overnight.

SPEAKER_03: 21:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 21:35

And it doesn't happen that way. It happens gradually and slowly, and self-love is a practice. That's what I tell people. It's not something you do one day, but you keep doing it, and you have to keep doing it. It's just like you're not gonna eat healthy one day and then be healthy for the rest of your life, right? And you're gonna and you're gonna slip up and you're gonna have bad days, but then things become uh normal for you as you implement certain things, right? I couldn't look in, I remember there was a time that I couldn't look in a mirror without finding a thousand things to criticize about myself, right? Yeah, but by implementing habits and by doing things now automatically, every single time I walk by a mirror, I think of something kind to say to myself, right? Even on a day when I'm not like looking my best or I'm sick or I just woke up in the morning, I'll find a kind thing to say to myself because that is the new, that's the new place that my mind is programmed to, right? And the more like and I do that, and it's like I that becomes the new feedback loop that I'm reinforcing in my mind, right? And because I struggled with this so much, I came up with my four pillars of confidence because there's so many things out there when it comes to building your self-worth, and all of them are valid. But when you're coming from a place that is so low, it is hard to start with some of these things, or the impact that they have is not that much, right? So let's just say something like with affirmations are fantastic, right? But you have to have a baseline of worth to accept them because otherwise you stand in front of the city. So you try to say one positive affirmation and your mind fights back with 20, and then it makes you feel so terrible that you're not going to do this, right? So I came up with my four pillars of confidence, which I'm happy to share if you like. Okay. So the first, and this works for anyone wherever you're at. So the first one is to live your values, right? And when I say this, people are like, yeah, of course I love my values. But what I consider to be ultimate self-worth is when all parts of you are in alignment and they're not fighting each other, right? So that means you're gonna have the days that you feel like an absolute goddess, and you're gonna have days when you feel blah, but you're not fighting against yourself anymore, right? That's where you can have that baseline inner peace within yourself. So living your values where people get hung up on this is when you have values that conflict with other values that you have, right? So let's just say you value financial success, right? And then you also value fun and freedom. And the way that you've been taught that's embedded in you is that financial success is achieved through extreme hard work and hustle all the time. So when you're doing that, there's a part of you that feels really good because even if you're not at the level of financial success you want, you know that you're working hard and you feel proud of yourself in that way. But there's a part of you that is mad at you because that part wants to have fun and it wants to be free and it's annoyed. And so there's a part of you that's fighting against another part of you. So you're not feeling that inner peace. And then if you take a day off and you have fun or you go on a vacation, there's a part of you that feels joy and it feels so good. And then the other part of you is beating yourself up because I should be working hard. I should be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02: 24:59

I should be hustling.

SPEAKER_00: 25:00

Yes. And it can show up in other ways, right? Okay, like I value being fit and healthy, right? But then I also love food and I'm a foodie, right? So if I'm eating healthy and I'm counting every macro and I'm going to the gym, there's a part of me that feels good. The foodie feels resentful because I'm measuring every thing and it's not exciting and it's not fun. And then I go out to a tasting menu, and then the other part of me is beating myself up for that, right? And this is where it's just really doing an inventory and getting clear, okay. What are my values? And do I have values that are in conflict with other values? And this is sometimes where you have to readjust and redefine things for you. Sometimes that's what it is. Sometimes it's like, okay, actually, when I go out and I take time to have fun and I go on that vacation, that taps into my creativity and that allows me to step into a place where I can make even more money. So I need to like fully relax into that. And I don't need to fight that because that's what it is. Or you can drop it all together, right? It's gonna be different for different values that you have. You can actually decide, actually, this isn't important to me. Actually, this I don't even care about financial success. So that's not a priority for me at all. And whatever it is for you, you get to sit there and you get to define that. But what happens is if we don't sit down and we do this inventory, we have these programs that are running inside of us. There's a part of us that's fighting another part of us, and we're completely unaware of it. And so we have to bring it to our awareness and we can understand either we redefine these things so that they can meld and come into alignment. So we're not fighting ourselves in these moments, or we drop certain things, right? And I love to start here because I don't care how low your self-worth is. This is not going to be something that is going to trigger you so much that you're not gonna want to do it, right? Because we're not we're focusing on something that's so deep and you get to choose and you get to define. And this is something that you need to do on a regular basis because maybe every year it's gonna be different for you because you're gonna change this person. Yeah. And so you get, but you get to decide for right now, so you're not fighting against yourself, and then you go back and you like recheck and say, Oh, like, okay, maybe I don't feel this way, I don't value this anymore, but I value this instead, or I value this. And and that's okay. You get to do that at any point in your life, and wherever you're at, you can start. So, whether even if you're feeling on top of the world, this is like a great place to check where you're having energetic leaks in your life, and if you're at the very bottom, you can start here. And then my second pillar of confidence is to cultivate self-trust because you cannot love somebody that you do not trust, and that includes yourself. And oftentimes we struggle with this, especially when you're coming from a place of really low self-worth. It's because you're wanting things to change so quickly. So you're making these incredible lofty promises to yourself, and then you're not keeping them, right? So maybe you've never worked out before, and then you're like, this year on New Year's, starting in January, I'm gonna get into the best shape of my life, and I'm gonna work out two hours every day. So you get up the next morning and you do it, you do it the day after, then you start hitting snooze, and then you miss three days, and then you feel like garbage. And it's not like you feel like garbage like you did before, you feel even worse than when you made this promise to yourself, you don't believe yourself, right? And it becomes this incredibly horrible, toxic spiral. And this is also why you can't, why people come across as really harsh in relationships and they have a problem having grace in relationships when they struggle with the self-trust, because if they say something, if they're like, okay, I can have this conversation with this person, I can give them the space to talk. And if they're unwilling to listen to what I have to say, I'm willing to walk away. But if you have no self-trust, you can't do that. You're gonna come across as venom right from the beginning because you need to push them away because you're like mush, right? You're like a cactus. You have these sharp edges because you're mushy on the center, because you have no backbone and no spine, because there's no structure of self-trust within you, right?

SPEAKER_03: 29:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 29:06

And how you start to change this is again through awareness and start to pay attention. What are the promises that I'm breaking to myself? What are the areas where I lack self-trust? And oftentimes this is just distilling things down into bite-sized promises. So never making a promise to yourself that you break. And so maybe if you have never worked out before and you want to start working out, you say to yourself, I'm going to do 10 push-ups every single day, right? And there's a part of you that's going to be like, Yeah, but I want to change overnight and I'm not going to get my dream body by doing 10 push-ups every day. But the thing is that you set that as your you like as a promise, I'm going to do 10 push-ups. And then if you feel like it, you do more. And there's going to be days when you do and you have the energy and you have the time and you do more. And then you get to feel really proud of yourself. And on the days where you have absolutely no time, you find a second here and you do a push-up, and you find another second here, you do another push-up. And by the end of the day, you've done those 10 push-ups and you get to feel proud of yourself. And that self-trust that you're cultivating is going to help you to be able to take the next step and to take a bigger step and to take a bigger step in the direction that you want to go. And that's how you start to feel good about yourself and trust yourself and to be able to stand strong in situations where people are questioning you because you're like, no, I trust me. So I don't have to listen to what this person has to say when they're disagreeing with me because I know what's best for me. And yeah, it's it starts in the little ways. And then my next pillar of confidence is to live your passions because you are not going to feel good about a life that you are not passionate about. So many people are so bored with their lives. So before I was a coach and a speaker and an author, I used to be a registered massage therapist. And let me tell you, so many people would come in and on their health history form under occupation, they would write sit at a desk because they were so detached from their job and from what they did that it was irrelevant to them. They just sat at a desk. They were they were so disconnected from it, right? And I understand that we live in a world you may not be able to go out and just do the thing that you're most passionate about. And that's not what I'm saying, right? But a lot of people get into this rut where they're that's their job. They have nothing in their life that interests them, that excites them, and they hate everything about their life, right? And then when they're going out and having conversations with people, it's like, what did you do? Well, I worked, I was busy, I slept, I'm so tired. I worked all weekend, I did this, and they don't have anything interesting to say. How are you going to feel confident about yourself when this is how you're talking about your life? And adding stuff in, like even adding hobbies in, is a way to start to become passionate about your life. And your hobbies get to be your hobbies. Like they don't need to be interesting to other people for you to start becoming interesting to other people and for you to start feeling interesting. Because ask somebody what their hobbies are and they start telling you about something that makes no sense to you. Maybe it's some sort of video game where they love to crochet different patterns and you don't understand anything about that. But the way that they light up when they talk about it because they're so passionate about it. So addicting. Yeah, and you're like, oh, tell me more. I'm interested to learn about this, even though I might not be interested to do this myself, right? And that's how you start to show up in rooms. And when you show up with that energy, people respond to your energy. This starts to cultivate not only your magnetism and your attraction, but also how you feel about yourself because you're aware of that. You're aware that people are suddenly interested in you because you have something interesting to say. And so this is just finding things every single week. And if you don't even, and so many adults don't even know what they're interested in anymore. And this is a great opportunity for you to go and try things. And they don't have to be expensive. You can go and join free groups, just look for things in your community. You can start something with friends, with your neighbors, right? But just start to cultivate passion in your life. And one area of passion is going to lead to another area of passion, and it's going to help to cultivate your magnetism and your attraction. And then my last pillar of confidence is to practice loving kindness towards yourself. And you have to do this every day, and you have to do this in four areas every single day. So you need to do something for your mental well-being every single day. You need to do something for your physical well-being every single day. You need to do something for your spiritual well-being every single day. And you need to do something for your aesthetic well-being every single day. And again, they don't need to be monumental things. They can be all take one minute each, but it's because all of these areas matter, right? So one that's often ignored is aesthetic. But this is important because, okay, during the pandemic, I know we all experienced this at some point where you stayed at home for at least several days and you didn't shower and you felt like garbage. Even you didn't want your neighbor to see you taking out the trash because you were like a hot mess. Yeah, you were so embarrassed. And this doesn't mean you have to get glam to the nines every single day, but you have to do something to take care of yourself. And it's also the ritual, right? It could be showering, could be washing your face, and then it could be going all out, right? But you have to do something so that you feel good and you feel presentable because whether you're going out and doing things, even if you work from home, it doesn't matter. It's going to change your state of being to practice this every single day. It becomes a ritual of at least this is the very basic that I do for myself. For your physical health, right? It could be as simple as making a decision. I'm gonna wake up in the morning and I'm gonna drink a glass of water. I'm gonna start my day with a little bit of hydration. It doesn't have to be anything that's monumental, just something small, right? And then again, you could go all out, you could do whatever, you could add whatever you want to that. But again, it's a ritual of saying, I matter, my physical well-being matters. And you start to practice this in tiny ways in your every single day, it becomes easier to make it a habit in a bigger way because you're signaling this to your mind, right? For your mental well-being, right? You could do a one-minute meditation, you could go out and just go for a short walk, right? Just something to give that mental space to yourself and for you to acknowledge that your mental health matters and to give yourself that little bit of clarity so that this becomes a way to again signal to yourself that this matters and that this is important and that you're a priority in these ways. And spiritual well-being, because oftentimes what keeps us stuck is one, we feel like we're alone and we feel like our problems are so big. And when you realize whether, and you don't have to be religious to do something for your spiritual well-being, right? Because you could just believe that in it's not even believing, but it's just understanding that you're a human on this planet that's flying through space and how small you are, right? In comparison to all of that, you can look up at the stars as the thing that you do for your spiritual well-being. When you realize that, it will make your problems seem smaller and for you to realize that you are connected to something bigger in this world, in this universe, right? And that is going to make it so much easier to be resilient and to conquer and do whatever you need to do in instead of feeling isolated, but realize, oh no, my problem isn't that big because and also I'm not alone because I'm part of this much bigger ecosystem.

SPEAKER_02: 36:22

Yeah. Oh my gosh, I love all of that so much. I I recorded a podcast episode right before, and I had probably 30 minutes in between. And I was like, all right, I'm gonna go drink some water, I'm gonna go make sure I go to the bathroom, and I'm gonna take the dogs out. And I live in Florida and the sun is shining, and I got to just soak in some of that sunshine, and I'm like, oh, that feels so good. Now I can recalibrate myself to a new conversation, and so it felt like it was the tiniest little thing, but I recognized in my mind and my brain, I was like, oh, that sunshine feels so good on my skin. And just taking a deep breath and just looking up and feeling it on your skin felt so oh, that felt so good. I just reconnected. The dogs are happy, I'm happy, now let's go and do this all over again. And it was like tiny little things, but it it felt I came into the conversation with more excitement and just and different energy because I'm not having the same conversation that I had an hour ago. And so I love that those are that it could be very tiny things. I work full time and I have off this week. And typically I would probably not put on makeup, but I'm like, I'm recording all week, so I'm gonna put on makeup every day, and that makes me feel so good. So it those are just like you said, they could be little tiny things, but it does so much for the way that you show up for yourself and the energy that you give off at work. They call me the purple energy girl, but it's because everything is purple, my office is purple, like I always wear something purple, whether it's like just my watch or some type of clothing, my hair is purple. And to me, it's the aesthetic part of this is the energy that I'm coming into the world as. And the fact that I have a lady at work that she's like, you just radiate purple, it's this beautiful energy, and I'm like, Thanks. I love that. That's the best compliment ever, because I wake up with the intention of radiating good, happy energy, and but it's something that I had to work on because when I was dealing with depression, when I was dealing with cancer, when I was dealing with my daughter's mental health, those things were what I needed to find, what I needed to understand about myself in order to be this purple energy girl now. And so it does take so much work, and I and I connected with every single one of those pillars. So I'm so like excited for people to hear about it because it is so super important. The the energy that you walk into a room with is not only it is amazing that's what you feel inside, but when people can tell you that's what you're radiating, it's like, oh wow.

SPEAKER_00: 39:45

Yeah, and it comes in different ways, right? Like I said, and the thing is, these are like the four pillars that are the basis of my work, and I think it they work for whether you already have good self esteem because you're gonna find the energy leaks, or whether you have none. But the thing is when you're in the gutter, and I know because I've been in the Said where I was in the gutter to add on and start with a lot of the other things that there's a million other things that are also very helpful, but they're too triggering. They were too triggering for me. I know that they didn't work, right? And when it's like when I felt ugly to stand in front of a mirror and tell myself that I'm beautiful, that wasn't gonna help. But washing my face or putting on a bit of red lipstick, right? Could make me feel better or more glamorous, right? And more presentable and willing to take on the world, right? And because it did that tiny shift in my energy, then it gets reflected back. And then you get that, and then it becomes easier to do more and to do more and to do more.

SPEAKER_02: 40:37

Yeah, absolutely. I agree. And I understand it is so hard at that beginning spot that you're like, but I can't even, I don't know what else to do. And it's that moment that we have to really put on our own oxygen mask and say, what is gonna serve me? And those little tiny steps definitely make a huge difference in that. So yeah, I definitely agree. So, how is it that you work with people now? And tell me about your book and podcast. We heard the tough moments and what you've experienced. What has come after?

SPEAKER_00: 41:22

Yeah, so I this journey has been like absolutely incredible. And I my clients continue to impress me, and it's just like such awe, and I just feel so privileged that people trust me and are willing to share their lives and allow me to guide them. And I feel so incredibly fortunate to be able to do that. And I work with people in a few different ways. So I work with people one-on-one, and then I have group programs, and the foundation of all of my work is the confidence and self-love piece because whatever it is, and then I have a few different programs that are geared towards different things and what stage you're at. But the foundation of all of them is going to be the self-love and confidence piece, but some is gonna be more like, okay, I want to step into my sexy magnetic energy. Okay, no, this is one for like I'm stuck and I want to fall back in love with myself at this moment, right? So they're all a little bit different depending on where people are at. But I find that a lot of people that once they do one of my programs, they come in and they want to do the next one and they want to do the next one. And because again, all of this is such a practice. And my podcast, so I have a few seasons of it that are up, and I'm doing a relaunch that I've been working on so that all that will be coming out in 2026, and it's going to be just recalibrated, a lot more exciting. But the thing is, if anyone is feeling stuck, go listen to the first few episodes of my podcast because they're the advice in there is not terrible, but how I come across is terrible. And so this is I always say my biggest superpower in life is that I'm not afraid to suck at things because you're gonna get at things by like with yeah, you just have to show up and you have to do it. So you're gonna suck until one day you're good at it, right? And that's why I won't take those down no matter what, because it'll show the evolution of exactly, exactly, right? And so if you're feeling like I can't do this, no, go back and listen to that and see. And even just what's interesting is I've been coaching since 2017. And in all of this work that I've been doing, the physical changes in myself, and I haven't had any work done or anything like that, but the physical appearance changes because of my energy keeps getting better. And I feel like I look younger now at 43 than I did nine years ago, which is crazy, right? So awesome. That's so awesome.

SPEAKER_02: 43:46

We're the same age, by the way. I'm about to turn to 43.

SPEAKER_00: 43:50

That's awesome. But yeah, so wherever you're at, just go back. Like I always tell anyone who's feeling stuck, go back, listen, look, and see some of the stuff I did. It's so cringy to me, but I won't take it down because it only gets better, it only gets better. And I'm also launching a second podcast that's coming out in 2026 because I think this is an important part of the journey to finding love that people forget. And this one is called Mr. Wrong's All the Fun I Had Dating the Mistress that weren't the one. And it's because in the world of relationship coaches, what is pushed is I'm gonna help you find your partner in 90 days and 30 days and this and that. And the thing is, everybody's journey is different. But I don't believe that you find the ultimate best partner for you when you're going out there with the energy of I'm gonna find this person in 30 days or 90 days or whatever, because you're coming from this energy of lack and need, and you are missing your entire life. Your soul is here to have experiences, and all of the experiences are exciting. And you will meet the best partner for you when you are in this place of just being relaxed and having fun dating, and you are gonna want those stories. I can't wait till I'm an old lady in the nursing home because I know everyone's gonna want to sit down and listen to those stories, and that's where it's like my friends were like, you have to start sharing these stories. And I was like, I do, because people will realize that because everyone just complains about dating, and I see this all the time, right? Like, this was horrible, this was horrible. And because we're judging the success of something based on like longevity, but that is a really poor indicator because there's many people that have been in very long-term relationships or lifelong relationships, and they're in utter misery. So that is it, it needs to be joy and fun, and you absolutely can find your forever partner, and you will, and you'll find them very expeditiously. I've seen this with so many of my clients, but you don't find it through the energy of like 90 days. You go, you find it in the energy of I'm gonna go out and have fun, and you can have so much fun.

SPEAKER_02: 46:02

Girl, I have a story for you. I had a second date, and it was like an impromptu second date. So the first date went really well. We talked a lot. It was there, there was some red flags, I'm gonna say. There was some red flags when he started talking negatively about his child's mom. I'm like, okay, all right, we'll see. We had other great conversation, and so he calls me up. We lived in the same area, and he knew that I worked from home. I had an online business for a while. So that's what I did exclusively. And so I used to wake up in the morning, work out, take the kids to school, and then do my errands, go back home, shower, get ready, whatever. Well, he's like, Hey, I'm open for lunch. Are you available? I'm like, I literally just finished like taking the kids to school, doing some errands. I'm still in my workout clothes. I haven't even had a chance. And he's like, Yeah, no worries, let's meet up at this place. So I was like, All right, just FYI. I'm in workout clothes. I'm not really in a date clothes. And he's like, Yeah, no worries, no worries. So I meet him in the parking lot, and and when I go to say hi, it's like kind of like that side hug, he licks my neck and he goes, salty, I like it. And I was like, Whoa, this is the second date. What are we doing? And I just proceeded to laugh it off, but then I'm like sitting at the table and just listening to the bashing of the mom of his daughter and blah blah blah. And I'm just like, oh yeah, this is just this is not this doesn't feel right. And that started off really weird. That's not a kink that I have. I don't know, but it was just the craziest like welcome that I have ever had, and I'm just like, oh, okay. Nope, that's not it. Mr. Wrong for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 48:09

But yeah, but the thing is it's the energy that that you also even take around that, right? So that wasn't like a fun scenario, but the one thing that you can keep in mind with dating is either you have a great time or you have a great story. Yeah, yeah, it's exactly. So if you can just stay a little bit emotionally relaxed in those situations, you're just like, okay, maybe in that moment it doesn't mean that you're not gonna be upset and you get to feel all your feelings and everything is valid, right? But the thing is you're not gonna be like later, it's gonna become a great story. And you get to have that and you get to hold on to this energy as opposed to being like, oh, it's another thing that didn't work out. Oh, because that is not the energy that is going to serve you. It is not gonna make you feel good, it's not gonna make you feel excited about dating. And when you relax, you get to to just have more fun with it. And I'll tell you one of the stories that okay, so one of my clients, and she's in her late 50s. When she originally came to me, she was in a relationship and she's telling me about the relationship, and we did the little intro call. And I said, I would love to work with you, but I'm not gonna help you with this relationship because I don't think that you belong with this person and it's really toxic. And she was mad. And part of it is that she also felt at her age, how is she gonna her options are limited, all of these things, right? And so she went on, she had calls with a bunch of other coaches, whatever. She ended coming back to me because she she realized in her gut that I was telling her the truth, and she said, Okay, I'm ready to walk away from this and I want to work on this, right? And I was like, Okay, but then you're gonna relax and you're just gonna have fun and dating. It did not take long at all, but it was like because she shifted her energy, we brought the focus back to herself, right? And a little over a year later, she's getting engaged to someone, and he takes her back to the restaurant where they had their first day, and he has these beautiful flowers, this beautiful ring, and then he gives her this card that is this very old, tattered, torn card, and she's like confused. The message in it is so beautiful. So she asks him about it, and he's like, Well, I bought this card. I was at a card store when I was in my early 20s getting something for someone else for something, and I saw this card, and it was a card from a man to his wife, and I bought it because I realized it's it had all the things that it had written about, those are the qualities that I wanted in my future wife. And I never met anyone until I met you. I saved this card for the entire time that had all of those qualities, and he was also in his late 50s, and if she didn't relax or she was like, I need to hold on to this relationship, she would have missed that. And she has been so happy now for over six years, they've been happily married, and she would have missed out on all of that if she was trying to hold on to something, and anything is possible at any age, and yeah, that was the person that he was holding on to and saving that for.

SPEAKER_02: 50:57

That's so beautiful. So my dad passed away about three years ago, and they were together for 50 years, or they were married for 50 years together for 57. So long time together, that is all she knew was that. And my dad was super amazing, and I don't feel like you find this as much anymore, but he would wake up at four o'clock in the morning because she would wake up at four to go to work, and he would wake up at four to make her breakfast, and then make sure that she ate breakfast and then go back to sleep to wake up to go to work, and so the just little things like that that he would do for her. That I'm like, that's just so sweet. When he passed away, I needed to teach her how to pump gas because he always took care of that, so he was it's always super nurturing to her, but now three years later, she started to to date somebody, and she caused me so giddy because she didn't have that experience of someone trying to have them have her fall in love with them. She didn't have that experience with my dad. They were so super young, and it was such a different time period. And now when he texts her, hello, beautiful, good morning, how is the most beautiful Maria in the world, whatever things like that. She's like, and it is so awesome because she didn't think that after my dad, that she that was not something that she was thinking of, and she's in her 70s and she's like, I don't think that anything's gonna ever happen. And she finds herself in this start of a relationship with somebody that wants to give her that attention, and it's something new and exciting. And I'm just like, mom, this is like the best thing ever. Her energy has changed, her relationship with me has changed. She was my dad was the more like cuddly one. The physical touch was our love language that we had the same, and hers was not, and so my mom I grew up with my mom not hugging me, and so I always felt like that's something that I miss from her, and then fast forward, now I go and visit her every Thursday night after work for a few hours, and it's like she holds on to the hug, and I'm like, oh my god, what is happening? But I saw this like change in her as something new started coming into her life, and I'm like, This you're never too old. This is so awesome! I have loved watching it, and me and my siblings are like, oh my god, do you see how happy mom is and like how excited she is, and how he like we we haven't done dinner this week. Let's go for dinner, and spontaneously just wants to spend time with her. And I'm like, I'm so stinking excited for her, it's so fun.

SPEAKER_00: 54:11

Yeah, no, absolutely. And this is the thing that people get caught up in this. I need this to happen right away. No, you're not running out of time. And if you go out there with that energy, it's the wrong energy, right? Like, you gotta have fun and enjoy the experience, and as you like relax in and you enjoy the experience, that's when you will naturally bring the things that are the most aligned to you, the people that are the most aligned to you, and have that relationship because you're just there and you're open to it, and you're you don't need to make it happen.

SPEAKER_02: 54:40

Yeah, absolutely. I love that so much. So, what limiting beliefs or roadblocks do you feel you had to overcome in order to get to where you are today?

SPEAKER_00: 54:52

I would say, yeah, ever like everything because it's just like I there wasn't a thing that I believed in about myself, right? So there wasn't any, there wasn't a part of me that I thought was worthy in any way or deserving in any way. And when you lack that across the board, that makes it very, very hard because I I felt inadequate and I felt like a loser and not enough in every capacity of life. So I had to, I had to learn how to build that up in every area. And like I said, it happened in baby steps, in certain areas it'll happen easier because there's just less resistance, like around my intellect and things like that. That was easier than it was for me around my physical appearance, but you work on it across the board. Some areas like take a little bit faster than others do. And then as you build on that in one area, it makes it easier because if you believe that you're worthy in one area, it's easy for you to believe that you're worthy as a person and then and then to build from there.

SPEAKER_02: 55:53

I love that. Yeah. So are there any daily habits or rituals that you say you would that has helped you get to where you are?

SPEAKER_00: 56:02

Yeah, so all of the things that I talk about in my four pillars of confidence, I practice myself. So all four areas of practicing love and kindness for myself, I do that every single day. That's an absolute non-negotiable and it's just it's different every day, right? So some days for my physical health, it is just drinking a glass of water, and some days it's going for a super long workout, and some days it's all of these different, these different things, but I make it a practice that I integrate into my life that's an absolute non-negotiable.

SPEAKER_02: 56:32

I love that so much. So I am so excited to hear when your book is out and all the things because I am definitely going to sign up for that. I have come into the last 10 years more or less, into what personal growth in every aspect could help be with, and it's completely changed my life. So anytime I especially when I have like now a connection to the author, I'm like, oh, give it to me because I'm so excited. So I'm very, very excited for that. I'm excited for your podcast. I will be listening to both the dating one and the other one. I'm very excited for that. So I will put up all the information on how our listeners can stay in contact with you. But thank you so much for your vulnerability, for teaching us your methods and really diving into all of that you've worked on for yourself and now for others.

SPEAKER_00: 57:38

Thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed being here. I loved our conversation. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02: 57:43

We too, we too. Yes, absolutely. Listeners, I hope you got so much out of today's conversation with Navi. I got so much out of it myself. Definitely things that you continue to have to like work on and maybe remind yourself that, oh yeah, maybe that's important to continue to work on. You've never just arrived. This is something that you continuously have to make practice in your life. So I hope that you got so much out of today, just like I did. And I will put all of Navi's information in the show notes. So please, please go check that out and connect with her on all the places. And thank you so much for listening today. Peace out, guys. Love your life. Bye.