Energy Crue
Welcome to 'Energy Crüe', the podcast that dives deep into the heart of industry innovation, entrepreneurship, and personal growth. I'm your host, JP Warren, and each episode, we embark on a journey to uncover the passions and motivations that fuel industry leaders. We're not just talking business here; we're exploring the personal drives, the triumphs, and the challenges that shape today's pioneers. Alongside these inspiring conversations, I'll be sharing my own story - the battles with imposter syndrome, the pivotal mindset shifts, and the lessons learned throughout my entrepreneurial voyage. As a certified coach, my goal is to empower you, our listeners, to break free from the barriers holding you back. Join me as we navigate both the professional and personal landscapes, learning and growing together with 'Energy Crüe'
Energy Crue
Brett Chell - Embracing Vulnerability and Ambition in Leadership
We're back after a much-needed break, and what better way to kick off our new season than with a riveting conversation brimming with inspiration and valuable insights? Today, we have the pleasure of hosting Brett Chell, CEO and founder of Cold Bore Technology, as he takes us through his remarkable journey and shares his wisdom on the evolving industry and the power of collaboration.
Navigating stress and ambition, Brett opens up about the importance of self-awareness, self-love, and routines in overcoming life's hurdles. We also delve into the power of vulnerability in leadership, the value of authenticity, and how belonging to a community of like-minded entrepreneurs can be incredibly supportive. Along the way, we tackle the impact of imposter syndrome and destination anxiety on our lives and discuss strategies to rise above these challenges.
Finally, we explore the role of gratitude and freedom in ambition, and how a healthy balance can lead to happiness and fulfillment. Join us for this impactful and engaging conversation with Brett Chell, and get ready to be inspired to uncover your own passions and ambitions. Don't miss out on this opportunity to learn from a leader who has navigated the highs and lows of entrepreneurship and personal growth.
Welcome back on a long hiatus, back to energy crew Podcast. This has been we I don't think we've all just talking to a first guest on this new season of Brett Chow with Cold Board technology and Brett, you're gonna kind of get into kind of who. You are real quick. But I was talking before this and and I haven't done an energy crew podcast in probably about seven, eight months, for several different reasons, but the main reason was I just you know, obviously, you know business starts getting busier, life gets busier and also is one of those things too where it's like me personally, i wanted to find some passion back into the energy crew podcast and if I'm not passionate about it, what's, what's the point at the end of it? So so energy crew is kind of taking a new, a new journey, if you will. It's a.
Speaker 1:We're gonna be discussing people's passions. We're gonna be discussing leadership's passions. What makes them tick? What are they spending more their time on? that that they know they probably shouldn't be spending on, but they're just so engulfed by it. What, what is making them motivated to go to work? And I think this is important.
Speaker 1:I think passion, first off. I love how passions change. You know, my passion today could be completely different next month or the month after that. So it's always evolving, it's always changing and you learn something from someone's passion, because it's not that boring, stale. Oh, my name is JP. I'm gonna talk about the money's. Brett, we're gonna go over this today. It's, it's passion, it's it's it's emotional. So I like that and the.
Speaker 1:And the last thing I want to talk about the passion side of it, and obviously, again, you can tell I'm just rambling here, but it's also inspiring to people. I think when you hear about someone's passion, it's you know, whether it's people on a podcast or whatever that is. There's a sense of inspiration that comes from that. So, brett, without further ado, thank you for being the first guest on this and again, i wasn't blowing smoke when I says before we got on live. You're the first person I thought of to be the first guest coming back on to discuss passions of. You know leaders and, and you know Entrepreneurs and founders and executives, and what's going on kind of in your mind, what's making you tick. So, brett, let's kick this off. Brother, why don't you, for those that don't know you, which I don't think that's many people out there Why don't you kind of give a brief you a five minute. Five minute long elevator ride, kind of intro who you are, where you've been, where you're at today.
Speaker 2:Oh, all right, man. Well, i'm super humbled and real happy to be back doing this with you, buddy. You know how much I love you and I didn't know that you stopped doing this. I just see them pop up because they're still getting posted, right, oh?
Speaker 1:That look, those are energy facts chats. Those are like umbrows, so that's kind of a different subject. So this this was enter. Yeah, so I guess I got to now.
Speaker 2:I guess I got two podcasts now right, i know right, but I'm super humbled, appreciate you doing this man And happy to always do this stuff with you. As you know, me and you have been friends. Oh yeah, we did one of these like five years ago. We see each other every once in a while, but it's always just like brothers right away again.
Speaker 1:So that's exactly right, man, and that's and I'm being serious now. That's why I was thinking of you. Man, I love kind of you know whether it's you know talking you at the you know The Coldboard Tech booth at you know whether it's one of these conferences, the urTech, or All that stuff, or whether it's you know seeing, seeing you and your guys around your crawfish boys, i'll stuff. It's always good catching up with you, man. I just love shoot the shit with you, getting kind of your insights and all that stuff. That's why let's, let's lay this out today And congratulations, by the way, on that, on that thing with Corvi, y'all, y'all teamed up on that sounds exciting. So anyway, that's that's my personal thing. I want to say congrats out there, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:Yeah, brother, appreciate it. Corporate great guys. It's funny that that kind of comes full circle now, because Corva and I, we all started out We were pseudo competition, we didn't. We kind of crossed over, and but that's where we lived for a long time And it's nice actually to see the market maturing where we're not.
Speaker 2:We're not not only we're not competition, we're very complimentary because yeah the whole thing that we're doing with digital completions is so big that we all just take This is what we do, that's what I do and that's what I do, even IWS and those guys who are perceived competition. Now I've talked to William, their CEO. It's all like that's what they do. It's not what we do. So we'll work by the US to love that I love that I love hearing that.
Speaker 1:I love them with good companies come together. I love it Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so me, i've been cased, anybody doesn't know. For a quick intro, so my name is Brett Chelms, ceo and founder of Cold War technology, which is the industries only. Currently an industry is only Enterprise communication company for frack.
Speaker 1:So safe to say, the best industry? I Mean it's the only ones the best right.
Speaker 2:I forgot. I can't believe my car use, car sales them and sell them to that We are the biggest, the best, the fastest, the most were. We're the only enterprise communication company in frack. I mean, fact-check it, you're right. Yeah, you fact-check it, that's it. There is no others, which is great for us. I love that. I did.
Speaker 2:They used to be like It. We're work clear. What we do now with our layer zero and just basically being an adapter for all the services, so that we're moving away From all the services not being able to connect and communicate on site, to have an adapter Plug them all in, and so for us to do that, be the only one in that space. I just love it because it allows us, as an adapter Yeah, we plug everything in to be able to work with all these other guys that we're talking about, which is So much better of an environment than being like you have to be like on edge, because who you're talking to and they're your competition And you got to go after them and we got it. You know, beat them, just something.
Speaker 1:I would assume that's kind of not to get out, not to. I would assume that's kind of exciting, though, because it's like there's no playbook in front of you're kind of writing your own playbook on how this is going.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, that's the big thing is like. The the less we have to focus on competing and Explaining why we're better than or different than or any of that, the more we can focus on saying hey, here, layer zero, all frack should be connected and it should be formatted. That has to exist. Every frack pad in the US should be one thing. As far as data is concerned, right, what happens? The world is your oyster. We can connect and move and do anything, and so once you have that clarity, we can just focus on building the thing rather than you know a little chasing this and yet being that and competing there, and it's just distracting, honestly. So when market starts to get more mature like this, it gets a lot more fun good, All right.
Speaker 1:So I interrupted you to To throw the gun. So a so founder.
Speaker 2:Yeah, founder CEO of Enterprise communication company for frack. I've been doing this 20 years. Was on the drilling side for a long time. So I spent 10 years on drilling rigs, start as a lease hand in Alberta in Canada And then work there for seven or eight years doing all the worst jobs and all the worst places on earth. Then did private equity for a while because I needed to learn the finance side of business. So I worked at private equity shop venture capital firm for five years And then started these businesses. So I've been funding and building tech companies, mostly Raptor and Cold War, for the last Almost 10 years now and you've seen significant, significant growth in your company in the last.
Speaker 1:I want to say 18 months Is that? is that a good timeline? I mean, it's it's your, it's your world. So you probably know the timeline better than me, but I guess I feel like everything's 18 months ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. when we came down, we we had a milestone. Yeah, it's been a hundred percent growth for the last three years. But two years ago hundred percent growth was small amount of revenue. Now It's in a significant amount and then also exponential, right. So, yeah, we're, we're, we did. We were a hundred, 130, 140 people now. So it's getting to be a sizeable company for sure.
Speaker 1:Well, first, has had heads off to y'all.
Speaker 1:Which is also a pretty big headache, but I wasn't okay, so let's get into this. Okay, so let's, let's talk about this. So what, what? what are you passionate about? I mean in this, in your, in your current world, right now? What's going on in the Brett's life? What are you, what are you finding? What do you wake it up the morning for? that? You kind of whether you want to solve what you're spending too much time at or you're not spending enough time at that, something That's kind of keeping you going.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is gonna be an unorthodox answer, i think, but it's a very true. This is a genuine one. Yeah, you're getting it straight. I'm having to find my passion again because this this The amount of work that this company has taken for someone who dropped out in grade 12. And again, like we were saying, you asked for a billion dollar company and when you start getting on the path to one, you start to realize what the reality of that is. So I really had to refocus and focus my life more on very intentional Actions and output for personal interactions, like coaching, who I hang out with, what I do. I've got to seek out different things that I do, like coaching groups, mentors and interactions and friend groups. I've really had to adjust that because this company took so much of everything like 18 hours a day for the last three years five years that my life.
Speaker 2:Like you, i think you go through this too, like you're talking about with your podcast. You don't have a lot of passion for it anymore. At some point It's just like you're just surviving. Yeah, it's a grind mode, yeah, you're just surviving, and that got so all-encompassing, you know. And then you move to a new country, like I move down to the States permanently getting my green card, doing all that, move into a new house. You don't know anyone here and then you get in your computer COVID's kind of this new world and it's just like hyper isolated and hyper focused on All the issues you're dealing with all the time and you don't take any time to rebuild your social network or any of that. That you got to watch. That It's uh. So now I'm doing that. It's honestly, most of my passion now is dedicated to how do I continue to build this business At the pace that we've committed to, with our shareholders and our board and all these other companies coming on, but do it without Completely sacrificing my life like fine stuff that matters.
Speaker 1:So okay, so I like that. So I kind of like how you you teed that up. So I mean I think this is a great intro for the first discussion. So your passion right now is actually getting out there and finding your passion again. Okay, so what feelings, i guess, did you have kind of leading up to this decision? because here's the deal I can. I can relate to that look, not on your level, I mean, you know y'all are trusted over there But I can relate to the feeling of kind of like you get down on it and your focus, you focus, your focus, you focus, and you're like then you pick your head up like, wait, is this fun anymore for me? Is this, is this motivating for me? Am I waking up more stressed and exciting? So what feelings? where, i guess, were you going through, i guess, when you realize like, look, i got to do something, otherwise I'm gonna get burnt out and And who knows what the effects of that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's. It was like straight up, exactly what you said. Like I woke up I had a second, not my stomach. I thought I had like Issues. I was going to doctors to get like pains in my size and stuff like that. I'm like I think I pulled something. Okay, you know, i'm actually like physically going through stuff. I wake up like There's no, like there's no passion to know nothing. I just get up and be like today it felt like I had to survive again today, you know. I mean, did you?
Speaker 1:feel? did you feel a certain less, certain level of numbness? Totally Yeah. I like you weren't excited, you weren't upset, it was just like, okay, let me just survive the day.
Speaker 2:Yep, and just short, You got a short temper. Yeah, no, you know, there's like there's only.
Speaker 2:Classic something's like. You're just kind of like you Put let's put that smile on today, you know what I mean And it's like there's not real. And so, yeah, it was. For a while, though, you got to really watch that type of stuff, because it kind of creeps up on you And, like I the doctor said I was going to, i'm like, oh, this hurts here and there.
Speaker 2:And like, oh, dude, that's your, your nervous system is so stressed out that runs from the back of your neck around here to the front of your legs. That's that dual pain in your hips. He's like your vagus nerve system is completely fried, really, yeah, he's like what are you doing? Do you have a lot of stress in your life? And I'm like He's like, okay, well, so I explain the job to him with all this, this stuff and this company and the money raising, all this stuff, and he's like, okay, that's a lot.
Speaker 2:He's like what's it like, like with your family and everyone around you that supports you? I'm like No one. And he's like, oh, okay, this is where the problem is, you need, and so actually, my passion, jp has always been like and it's funny, i don't if this is a passion as much you get to my age, i've always wanted a family and kids, okay, and I've, like, always been there. My fall, start, fall, start, fall, start, my own thing, and this, this then just sticks up all the time And then you get that numbness going on and you're like, oh, oh, this is not gonna materialize into a relationship, that's for sure, right. So that was the biggest thing that actually made me look at it and address it, because I'm kind of like um, I Don't know if you know like our. I equate it to like what our grandparents would have had to been like to go through like World War II and not have food, not stuff. They're just like We did they just did it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did, we had to do yeah, yeah, like, and that's interesting because I mean, i think that's a great point, because I mean there's a lot of times where you know people like you know You gotta be careful of stress. Stress is a silent killer. Stress manifests, manifests itself, you know with, you know pains and aches and your body, or this and that or it, can't come up and like always hear that I'm like, yeah, whatever, i'm not stressed, like I put my work in, i can hang out after I did this, i can hang out after I did this, i can hang out after. But you're right, though I mean the ongoing terminal stress I just continues to pile up, pile up. I guess that's interesting that it kind of it did leave kind of a physical, i guess, feeling, i guess in you, in your nervous system.
Speaker 2:Oh, Look physically for sure. Yeah, 100%, i'm convinced. It took years off my life like that, like it's not, for I'm like I still have all this stress. I'm dealing with getting new, like socializing down here and all that, yeah, but it's. I've already got a marked difference, like you just got. I had to build my routine first. I like to switch your mentality and you have to build your routines. Like, this company doesn't like as much as it does matter, which it does, yes, in the grand scheme of life, if it's gonna kill you, it doesn't. It's like okay, whatever. Because my problem with people like us is we got this thing in our head. Or this has to be a billion dollar company and has to be. This has to be that. Anything less than that is complete failure failure.
Speaker 2:Unacceptable. It will not happen at all cost. That's how you kind of get worse. You're going if you want to be ambitious. I got it's up to some degree, but after 10 years of it you know it's just sustained up here, unrelenting. It's no. There's no. Self-love is what I've. So this coaching group that I'm part of is Amazing. I love all these guys and we hang out a lot and do a lot of self-work, but that it evaporated the self-love Completely because it's all Not good enough. Not good enough, but it's not not good enough. I'm like you know, i'm a confident guy. Yeah, this is where I had a big realization in my life. I was like they're like, oh, you don't love yourself, and I'm like, oh, that's bullshit, i do. I'm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, look at this, look at this, look at this course. I know I'm good at what I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love my family. Yeah, people like I got a lot going on, like I, i'm good, i love myself, like don't confuse confidence with self-love. And That's when they the people I was with on this one coaching treat I was out they did the same where you look in the mirror and they're like, okay, look in the mirror. And I was like, yeah, good, they're like tell, tell your, say I love you, brad. And I was like, well, i'm like I, i mean I could, but that's stupid. That's stupid.
Speaker 1:And they're like I was like Yeah, like okay, then why can't you say it?
Speaker 2:then They literally proved it in that one second I was like that's stupid. Why would I say I love myself, whereas like people who genuinely do love themselves and are happy, like yeah, i love you, yeah, and they don't think it's absolutely ridiculous to do stuff like that? I'm like that's dumb.
Speaker 1:So I mean I can kind of relate to that. I mean it's, you know it's. You know you're, you're hedging the grind, you're doing this here, you're being successful. And I'm not saying success is, you know, monetary success, but I think when you know, for example, personally, when you know I'm, i take a step out, you know, leap of faith, do this and all that stuff, did it. All this stuff you know, and like everyone's like, oh, you know You're doing good, you're really doing good, wow, great job, all stuff.
Speaker 1:I have a problem and this is something I'm working on, that I was talking about wife, about. I have a problem feeling Achievement, feeling like I'm doing, like I'm doing well, whether that's self-love with it, like, for example, like I wrote that kid's book, energy for everyone yeah, we're Oops, wasn't trying to plug that, but I wrote that, i wrote that book and I went, i remember, went to casino night And you know I was like, oh, great book, great book. And I was like thanks, like it means a lot that that it's noticed in people, it all that stuff. But I couldn't feel achievement, you know, and I'm working through that now.
Speaker 2:So I love how you're bringing this up well, and so a big thing with that is imposter syndrome, which I'm sure you've heard of before, right, and Other big one that was brought up to me. Because, again back to this self-love thing, it's all rooted in self-loving. This sounds very hippie-dippy Trust me, i wasn't this guy before but it is very real Because you know, we set this bar of what I'm gonna achieve and until we get it, it's not good enough. Yeah, right, so it's fine. That's seems like the right thing for ambitions. Till I can hear, suck, good enough, yeah, that's ambition.
Speaker 2:Well, ambition gets blurred real fast with beating the shit out of yourself, and the issue with this is that this was the bar. Until I can feel good about myself, then the bar move, yeah, and here and here and here. I remember I remember very clearly telling people I'd be like I couldn't even fathom it. I'm like one day I'm gonna make a hundred million dollar company and That was like, yeah, that was pie in the sky. We're two and a half times that now and I've not one percent happier. Yeah at all, and I mean this genuinely and that's not like a weird subtle flex that people do on Instagram. I don't care about the market cap. I am less happy now than I was when I used to dream about that.
Speaker 1:Right. So I think this is a great discussion. So first off, i want to talk about number one, um, the, the stopping point you're at, when you're when you realized, okay, i got to do something about this, i got to do something about this. And not only that, because I think there's a. You talk about a positive syndrome, bro. I can relate to that. Not only that, it feels, and once I started kind of going down that path and started doing research on a positive syndrome, it it's validating that there's so many people, so many famous people that you look up to, that have this imposter syndrome. You know, i mean, i'm even watching what welcome to rex them with. You know Ryan Reynolds and you know Rob, and they were talking about imposter syndrome that they have.
Speaker 1:So first off, i think it's very important for you know our listeners out there listening to this that are probably going through the same. That's the thing too. What this is kind of I love about this It's like People celebrate successes but the same time is we're all going through the same Shit. Sometimes, you know, we're all faced with the same self-doubt, the same lack of confidence and lack of self-love, all that stuff. So I do want you to discuss kind of what. When you noticed this, when you had these feelings, what prompted you? I guess how you, how you found your these, these groups, these support groups, and and what you're doing because it might help Other people out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, first of all, i love that you're pointing that out and that you're leaning into this, jp. This is because this is like a lot of this is not something that a lot of people have done enough work to be comfortable talking about. Right, because there's a lot of confidence that has to go into having a conversation like this, a lot of vulnerability That's to go into this. But I can't advocate for it enough now because I've always you know, i picture myself as a leader. Yeah, what a lead people I want to create for people. I want to give people opportunity and I'm always was afraid to bring this up because I was a leader. I'm always strong. I always got my shit together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i have a happy, but you can't be soft, can't be vulnerable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can't do that, and I was. And now what I've realized? that, coming through this and, by the way, i'm much happier now It's on a path where I'm, i see the way to grow through this and get everything that I want in life and have this company go and Now I'm not there. That's part of getting more self-aware, is you realize that's there's no done, it's just you enjoy work in the process, right, all these cliches, but It's it's very, very important to have this conversation, and so I love it too. By the way, this is stuff that I'll sit down and I'll engage with people for hours on now, because I just like tell me your story. I want to hear it. I genuinely care, because these are people. If you do this and you have this convo, you're talking to a human. Yeah, you'll. You'll talk about business, you'll learn some stuff, you'll get some strategies and you'll get all that will come out of it. But I'm just so bored of the conversation. Look like you know what hit the KPIs.
Speaker 1:We got a maximizer team. Let's get. Let's talk about the real stuff that that we're all faced with where we get in the car, we get out of the meeting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because, especially for guys like us, if anyone that's listening, that's doing entrepreneurial stuff, there's not a lot of people that will understand what your goals are because you're just not surrounded by entrepreneurs Right, but if you can come find stuff like this online and just have an hour listen to this stuff, you're like oh, thank God, i'm not the only one like this and a lot and a lot of times, that that that knowledge of Okay, i'm not the only one feeling this is probably more impactful and powerful.
Speaker 1:Then then researching why are you know what? I mean, like just knowing you're not alone is Extremely powerful. And you're right. I mean, you do have to have this mask, you do have to wear this, but I think there's a lot of value in being vulnerable. I think there's a lot of value in kind of saying, hey look, you know, i'm kind of going through this. You know what? I actually wrote a post about imposter syndrome, and usually when I write post, they don't get a lot of traction on stuff I wrote. I did write a post about this that got the most traction, like holy shit, you know. Thanks, jp, i'm kind of going through this too. I can't believe. Thanks for sharing this. Like I deal with this too. So it was it's interesting that the post and you're the most vulnerable or the most impactful.
Speaker 2:Authenticity, man, authenticity, people. People want to know, people like, and we always think as like. Actually there was a great. So part of this group I joined is called we are the late answer your question. We are, yes, and it's based around like you know. Oh, oh, don't worry about that, they'll do it. Oh, like they're going to save the world or that that group is going to do.
Speaker 2:Who is they Right and that's where he picked the name, for we are good, but it's it's an executive coaching group, so most of it is high net worth guys that are Isolated because they've built businesses or chosen this path most right business, and It's geared toward men only and it's to go there And it's so that we have a place where we can sit down and then they drive, they bring in like the most crazy Speakers and you do so. We fly around the world twice a year to meet somewhere. I'm going to running of the bowls with the 50 guys. We're all meeting in Spain in a month, here or whatever in July, and We'll do. We'll get coached there, right, and so we're in this hotel on the vineyard by the running of the bowls And we do the activities in between the coaching. But it's geared towards getting those type of people because they're not gonna meet at a motel eight some now. So we do two trips a year.
Speaker 2:We were in Iceland in the in the fall, went to the waterfalls and they had coaches come to the waterfalls and spoke to us about Inner strength and power and a good dude. You could feel the Viking spirits and everything there. We did cold water plunges beside the icebergs as a group And it's like but these are all dudes that are. You look around and and see them in everyday life and it would all be here, yeah, but here, right, what do you do for work? What do you do for?
Speaker 2:and then you pair your networks and your businesses subtly, if you're not an asshole, but you're gonna talk about business and stuff like that in your cars or whatever This there which starts off where they put us all in a circle and they talk about. Really they're like, okay, if this has happened to you, take two steps in. I've had recently had a family member die and you're just kind of like one guy steps in. You're like, oh shit, that's sad. Or I have I fought cancer in one right people stepping. I'm currently fighting cancer. One guy steps in and then all of a sudden, like that hits I got chills me, that hits Yeah yeah, and it's just this exercise where they talk about sexual abuse as a child, half the people step in.
Speaker 2:Oh, now, all of a sudden, the guy who's a billionaire, who, when I went in the room I knew there was a couple billionaires in there, and this is what I'm doing, like a dickhead, i'm like which one? you're sizing them up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's human nature.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, i'm like which ones do I like as friends and which ones are the billionaires? and I'm signing value to all these humans, right, just total bullshit. And then we did that circle thing and All sudden there's all these dudes that you, they're just breaking down and you're breaking down and there's a human moment of Right there just hit you and you're like fuck. You're like this is what I'm missing in my life, because I'm not living in this authentic way of trying to connect with humans. I'm so trapped in the shit that doesn't matter, like is the company gonna be worth a billion?
Speaker 1:who cares? maybe, maybe not, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like plus, your company will get to a billion faster if you're not Destroying yourself, worrying about a billion, and you're just creating value for humans and giving them a place to thrive and succeed, right? So it's just this whole thing where yeah, i'm it's, i'm very fortunate to have joined that we do that two trips a year around the world And then every quarter we meet up somewhere in the US. So we all fly to and do a three-day, like usually it's in Sundance or around the Utah area. But we've gone to California, arizona, and they rent big house with a pool and then, like Tony Robbins Right-hand guy comes in and spoke to us for a whole day and did exercises and then we'll do like Physical things where we jump out of a plane or they. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say mention that because I mean I have seen, you know This, when you, when you've gone, these are treats, all the stuff you know. You know, obviously, follow on Instagram. I've seen your stories on stuff and you know you do small little snippets, maybe 30 seconds, of these. You know three-day retreats on stuff and in the stuff I say, first off, i mean I'm gonna pass on that because y'all are rucksack in 18-wheelers up incline thing. But no, i mean, i mean it's, it's crazy. You got these huge jack ball like Navy Seal cats up there and like they're talking about some of like the the most like vulnerable, like Like sissy stuff out there and it's and it's. But it's so true though It's, like I don't care how, you know big, strong, much of a leader you're, how much your company is worth, it's, you're still a human and you're still going through some shit.
Speaker 2:Those guys man, the Pedro's Cooley and like I don't want to plug anyone else on here but that guy, damn man. But those are the guys you get around. You just realize you're like That, you there's a bit of a poor me element to being stressed, because you're like oh, i have, i've got the craziest workload, i've got the craziest, like no one would understand. This is too much, i bear so much right. And then you go see those guys. Those guys are one of them.
Speaker 2:There was literally on the helicopter that went in to get it been lot. There's seal team six that they're the hardest of the hard. This group brings in the hardest of the hard and those guys are like there. It's a crazy experience because it's compassion at the highest level and you can see that they care More about you, because they're paying attention. There's an element of like that again back to the bullshit of normal life, but they are not there to. They're driving your ass in the dirt Right and it's like this is all Navy's. This is not for people that even think they want to screw around the weekend thing.
Speaker 1:And so, and so what? what is the goal? Okay, so you dive in, you do this. What is the goal of this for you? that?
Speaker 2:this for me is To reconnect, to like this, connect with what the people, the human element of life, like vulnerability, spirit, spirituality, love, and that the things, the empathy, the things that I just shed for ten years to focus on this computer screen and a Fake goal like this, is again that one of the big things that I learned about that my, that I suffer from is destination anxiety. It's oh yes, it's that bar or like I'll. Here when, i'll be happy when and you know you get to it.
Speaker 1:You never get. It keeps on getting kicked down the road because you're right, you know, oh, once my company's a hundred million dollars and it's like, well, man, a billion dollars, ten billion, like that's it. That's a great point. During the, during this whole process with you, i guess, when you first, you know, got there and I guess actually to today, because it seems like this is still an ongoing Self realization what's been kind of some of the most uncomfortable Parts for you that you feel like sharing and kind of what? Because I usually find this the reason I'm asking this.
Speaker 1:I usually find the most uncomfortable things that you're faced with, whether it's about yourself, whether it's about your relationships with, whatever it's about, it's usually the most value hidden there. You have the most. Yet It's a little nugget. You can learn probably the most from what's been pretty uncomfortable for you. That I guess you You couldn't have seen yourself facing this. And again, you don't have to get too personal, you can't get personal. But what's that been for you? And I guess what's been kind of the what's blossomed out of that?
Speaker 2:ah, man. So My biggest thing I'm always been focused on, too I've had to unfocus from it is this whole relationship thing. Right, i'm alone 95% of my life, by choice, kind of. There's always people around, there's the option for people, always There's the option for great girls, friends or something like that to exist. I meet people like girls that are really great and I could have that girlfriend, and they would love to have a kid And they would love to like they would love me and be great for me.
Speaker 2:I can't connect, i don't know what it is, i can't connect. And then, but then I'm like, boohoo, i want a family, right, and all this stuff, and I'm like alone, feel lonely and all this stuff, yeah, like then I'm poor me inside and I'm like, well, bro, until you, whatever it is, that is that you got to look at, and that, because I can't identify it, i'm like, well, i don't know how to fix that. No, stop, first of all, go, start doing a bunch of work on the other stuff that you're not that great at and maybe over reveal itself, right, and so that that was the biggest thing for me is that I Want to solve the problem. I want to know what it is and drill it down. If there's a problem, like, i'll attack it ruthlessly. Oh, that's what I need to do. Okay, i can do that when it's not immediately visible to me, or a parent or well, why I can't connect? That flusters me and, very uncharacteristically like me, i like hide from it. I like pull away on that cause.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't know what that is. Normally I'm like, oh, there's a problem, i just attack it like a pit bull, like let's just anything in life, let's go out of spinal fusions to work stuff. I had to get my spine fused. My home finds like, oh, this is a big decision. I'm like gone, it's in there next day. Everyone's crying. I'm like do it out the next day. Two days done, it's over, it's before. Like we're going. And this is just like this mental, emotional part of one took a lot to get around. Like you're just going to have to go commit. It was a two year, it's a two year program. I'm a year into it.
Speaker 1:So no, i mean, it definitely sounds like, and also it sounds like you have to put the work into it. So, finding your passion, finding yourself loved, finding the ability to connect on a human level, on a personal level, with people, why should that be important to the viewers out there? To me, why should, why would I care about this?
Speaker 2:Well, i think honestly, i think there's, i think it's really. I think this might be the most relevant conversation going on today, because we've been through a lot. The world, like I'm talking big macro right now, let's stick it to our country, but everyone, we've been through a lot, like I don't want to get into it all that a political or health or whatever, but it is just different. Like the last five years is just for us old people, man, there's every day is just another huge cataclysmic event that's gonna happen, that they have to worry about somewhere on the earth, about many different topics. And it's like I think, like the passion that we had to, like I know first, like I'm an artist and I paint and draw. That's the essence of passion, right? You just I'll sit there and paint a picture for eight hours. I haven't painted in I don't know how long, because I'm too.
Speaker 2:Now, this is the old. There's a lot of books on this. If you keep people occupied with trying to survive, like if people don't have enough food, there's that Anyway. So if people don't have enough food this is quite common in like communist countries or regimes and all that they'll purposely keep them hungry, because people can't revolt when they're hungry, because the first thing they wake up and think about in the morning is food. They need food. If they're fed and they can find food, now they have the capacity to start thinking about revolt.
Speaker 2:So it's a very malicious tactic, but we're kind of like that's being imposed to some degree just by all the crap that's going on around us, and so we don't have a lot of room to be passionate. I feel like, at least for me personally, i haven't had a ton of time to be passionate because I'm just feel like I'm in trouble, panic mode all the time, and so these conversations are how I'm getting out of trouble panic and back into like you know what None of like all that really matters. And as soon as you realize it doesn't matter and you start making space for the things that do matter, all that kind of just gets a little more quiet, kind of mutes it. And then these like conversations with you right now. This is awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I guess, though, you know, those of them might be listening and there might be, you know, in their cars or at the gym, wherever, they're listening to this too right now, and they're like I got that imposter syndrome. God, I got the destination anxiety. Man, I don't think, you know, I'm good enough. All I just got my promotion. I thought it'd be a lot happier, but I'm not happier. You know whoever. So, those that are listening right now, do you have any like tips, tricks, hacks or anything like that, Or maybe even just kind of a simple question that the listeners can ask themselves, Like can they go to a mirror and say I love you to the mirror? I mean, is there something that I guess, some words of wisdom that you, I guess, would like to share with those?
Speaker 2:Yeah, i mean, i'm not wanting to like coach yet I think I'm the student in this still.
Speaker 1:We're not asking coach, but I mean, here's the deal. I mean, the idea is, we can all be teachers and we can all be students, you know. So that's yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, everyone's a little bit further than someone else in some categories, right, and so someone can glean value from almost anybody, depending on where you're at. Yeah, so like, as far as like the imposter syndrome and doing all this stuff, i always tell people I'm like I'm not sure how to separate ambition and being too critical on yourself, like because That's tough.
Speaker 1:That's a fine line. That's a very gray line too.
Speaker 2:Right. So I don't know if I have the answer, but I have a question. So sometimes questions are more valuable than answers. If you're an entrepreneur and you're doing it, or anything in your life, if you just feel that, like your, your this destination anxiety or your imposter syndrome, it's, why can't, why have I? what do I have to do to find a healthy ambition that makes me happy, as opposed to a self-critical ambition that drives me from fear? Okay?
Speaker 1:can you give me an example of that, because I love that. I want you to dive into that a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Well, i haven't found how to have some ambition. We're like I'm going to go and I'm going to get up in the morning. Typically for me, it's driven by fear. If I don't have ambition, i won't be successful. My people won't see me as smart, they won't see me as successful, i won't be able to get a good girlfriend because I have to have everything to do all this stuff. You know what I mean. I think of all the things I won't have If I don't get out of bed and go to the gym. If I don't do, i won't be hot, i won't be ripped, i won't be this, i won't be that.
Speaker 2:How do you find and there's definitely ways to do this, and this is what I'm asking a lot of my coaches to get healthy ambition where it's like I don't even know how to describe it yet because I don't know it but there's an ambition where you get up every day, you jump out of bed and you're ready to go after things. And actually I do know this answer. I haven't practiced it. Put it into practice yet. It's gratitude. Yeah, that's gratitude.
Speaker 1:Man, i just started picking that up this past week and a half This last Sunday, i was pretty stressed out and I had this whole thing in my mind. I had all these issues that I had to do, otherwise we'd fail. Yeah, yeah, and that's one problem turned into 15, turned to 30, turned to 45. And next thing, you know, i went for a walk and I started after 10 minutes to feel anything. I started walking and I started getting that gratitude feeling.
Speaker 1:You know what? I don't get out of bed because I have to do this. I actually think about this. I get to do this Like I chose this path. I get to not get on a sales call Monday morning at 9 AM. I get to choose.
Speaker 1:I think we're going to have a Denver Crew Club event, so for me it's shifted from I have to do this to I get to do this. That's a big one, big one. I mean that's big. And also, i want to go back to another point before we close this out. I know it's Friday afternoon and we're going to do the weekend. I appreciate you doing this, brother, but I want to talk about that, that chasing, that, that money side.
Speaker 1:You discuss this a little bit. You know when you put that, you know, oh, that you know I got to create this for month. No, not a create, i need to make money. I need to get this threshold to get this to me. Once I start doing that, it personally it takes all the excitement and fun out of what I'm doing. When I switch my brain, my mindset, to I need money to I have to create something, it is a completely different result. It's completely different passion. It's completely different motivation. So whenever I shift, i try to stay out of that I need money to. I need to create something that adds value and that's actually cool. I feel that that kind of brings along my main worry behind it, not in a bad way, but it takes care of my main worry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean I've got to do better at that. My big thing I've always been. It's something from my childhood that I have this fear Like I went through eight different schools before grade four. I just like was always good enough to not pay attention and just write tests and get high enough test marks that I didn't have to do anything throughout the year, which was a blessing and a curse because that I could just skate by and no one could make me do anything. And I didn't want to do anything. I didn't want to listen, i didn't want to learn, i just wanted to do things. I don't want to sit there and listen to you talk, and so the school system was just not built for kids like me. And then that would frustrate the hell out of my teachers And they literally expelled me as like it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Now Think back to eighties. It's like a grade one, grade two, grade three, like how little those kids are. You're expelling them because they can't sit there and listen, like that's your job. I think back when I'm like God, those schools, i want to kick their ass. But the whole grade four I spent sitting in a piano box. I don't know if I've ever told you that story? Sorry, a fridge box. So you buy a fridge and it comes in a box. My teacher couldn't handle it And that was the last French school in our city So I couldn't be moved, so he just put me behind the piano and then I would come in and he'd take the box and put it over my desk. The top was cut off so I could have light, but the whole year I sat in it until my mom came to get me because my grandpa had been at the hospital and she came in. Where's my kid? And they're sitting in this box in the back for the whole grade four.
Speaker 2:And so I have this thing where I think that a lot of whatever happened there drives me now that I must have freedom, yeah, and not have any. I don't want anyone telling me what to do. I don't want anyone. You don't want to be in a box, literally. I have to go to a job, i don't want to have to be in a building, i don't want to have to do anything that I don't want to do.
Speaker 2:And there's, like it's an intense, traumatic thing for my childhood that drives me And that, to me, like the money is the money. There is an element of that where that will validate me that I've still got to get over, like you know, a billion dollar company. There I'm the smartest probably to do with the school too, because I'm like you know, i wasn't the best student. I got 51% always. I'm like, how much do I need on this test to get 51 and get out of here? They're like 83. I'm like great 83 is what I'm going for on this test 51. I'm out of here Now. It's like I got to make that billion because all those kids that got 90s and we're supposed to do so, like I'm going to show you that those guys still got jobs, that some they're making light switches somewhere and I'm making a billion dollar company. So there's it's a bit rooted in ego and money, which has to for self validation, but it's mostly freedom.
Speaker 1:But I think that I mean, i think bringing it back to the child and obviously we're not going to get into this, but because we're coming up on time, but I think bringing it back to the childhood thing is is is. I think everyone deals with shit from their childhood, you know, whether it's traumatic, slightly traumatic, parents not picking you up on time, whatever it is, it does create some sort of personality thing, some sort of thing up here And and I think you know I'm trying to go through that right now and why can't I feel achievement? Why can't I feel excess? So I'm kind of diving into that too. So I do appreciate you bringing that up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, that's, that's a whole different. That's another one. We'll do another one. And I'm going to go into that because I found that all the stuff I realized about my childhood came from talking about other people's childhoods with them. And while they're talking, and they're talking themselves through their traumas in their context, i had I'm like, oh, i'm like, oh, i can see myself in that Like, and I had that realization, like, oh shit, that's what I was doing. Yeah, right, and so it's so good just to have cover. I'm open to it anytime. Like, i dig it, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm just going to continue for obviously taking the time and being vulnerable and having these conversations. There are conversations. I think that you and I discussed that should be happening more And I just appreciate you being just, you know, candid about everything And man, I just look forward to kind of round two or me getting on the cold war tech thing that we're going to set up.
Speaker 2:Let's do it, man. I'm telling daff. We've been going through a crazy amount of stuff here lately like a restructure, a financing that's getting done in nine days that took 12 months big commercial partnerships with Corbin, some of the pressure, public. But my goal is to finish and get this consistent podcast up And I do my work stuff, which is all the cold war stuff. Yeah, This podcast is going to be people. I, I don't care, Like we'll talk about work if we want, if it's relevant, great, but this is going to be about people. It's going to be like that. Oh, I dig it. I get that thing running, man. I mean you'll just bang them up.
Speaker 1:I dig it, man, Let's do it. So I guess, man, I appreciate you coming on. I thank you for being the first guest on this new round and I really do Always find value in our conversations, man, I really do. I think you know where you're coming from. You are coming from a place of kindness, You are coming from a place of empathy, where you do want to help people, And just the fact that you're able to I mean what you're doing and the team that you're leading that you're able to kind of take time and focus on yourself, I think that's remarkable. So thank you for everyone for tuning in on energy crew a podcast. Thank you, Brett. I'm going to do it a Memorial Day weekend and I'm looking forward to when this comes out. And also, you can find Brett on LinkedIn a Cold Board technology What else?
Speaker 2:LinkedIn, instagram, youtube we're all over.
Speaker 1:If you just Google Cold Boar, we're on everything, and you guys have some really hot content too. So I dig that stuff. So keep it up, brother, and I will talk to you soon and have a good weekend. Thanks, jp. See you buddy. Thank you, buddy, bye you.