Jonna Rae Bartges: A Lifetime of Mystical Insights

The guest in this episode is a unique individual with extraordinary psychic and spiritual experiences.  Jonna Rae Bartges talks about her childhood in Allentown PA where her spiritual experiences such as precognition and past life memories were often misunderstood. 

Notable events include her dream of meeting a cat named Tapestry who later appeared in real life, and her deep emotional connection to historical American sites and figures, which she attributes to past life connection. 

This episode also delves into her remarkable ability to see people's past lives, and her experiences in college holding seances and energy healing studies. 

Transcript

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 2:06

This is the second in what I'm sure is going to be a series of interviews with John Ray Barges. I'm having a lot of fun and I think you are too. John Ray, are you

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 2:18

I you.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 2:20

Oh, Al I was hoping you would say that. No, I, I didn't. Oh, you're good. Say that. This is I think is gonna be a really interesting, episode and got a, got it all planned out here. We're gonna talk at the first we're gonna talk about the experience that John Ray had as a girl growing up there in Allentown, in a family that really didn't want to hear anything about spiritual stuff or the other side, or, experiences like the, astral projection that she had she was young. They just kind of didn't poo pooh it, but they're like, that that's not real and that sort of thing. So we're gonna go into that a little bit and talk about this tremendous number things that happened to you. Let's get down to it. One of the things was that you had, precognition when you were you had a dream and you had a precognition, which is, I would, I think, is that you knew something that was gonna happen before it happened. Is that

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 3:22

That's right. And I was about,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 3:24

Alright.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 3:24

know, seven or eight at the time, and

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 3:27

And tell, tell us

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 3:28

okay, sure. In this dream, this gorgeous cat showed up. My vision. She said her name was Tapestry And instead of just fur around her collar, she had like huge feathers. She was just magnificent. And she said to me, I've been looking for you. Okay. And, and the dream itself was beautiful, but I got awake because my dad was calling up the stairs, you know, early in the morning. And he was saying, John Ray, somebody's down here looking for you. He used the exact words that she had used in the dream and I came downstairs and there's this magnificent cat outside just sitting there staring in the, in the door with this big fur, rough. And I knew her name was Tapestry and that was my cat. And she freaked out the rest of the family because she was very otherworldly. Our, like we talked about, the house was built in the 1750s and so we had a dirt cellar where we had the washing machine and a coal bin and all that stuff, and my mom would be taking. Closed down and she would be trying to come back up the stairs. Tapestry would be sitting in the middle of the stairs just staring at her, and my mother would scream, John Ray, this darn cat. Because it was, it was, it was a little bizarre, I guess, but

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 4:41

it happened to you. You knew what was gonna

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 4:44

Oh, yeah.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 4:44

and it, and it

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 4:45

I knew her name. I knew what she was gonna look like.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 4:48

that's wild. That's wild. That and, and. Also as a, as a student there in Allentown, it's, it's an area that is steeped in history and Revolutionary War history. And the, and the Revolutionary War with a continental Congress happened in Philadelphia, which as you said, is quite close to Allentown. And also So would you tell us a little bit about your feelings as a, as a, just a young girl when you went to Philadelphia on your field trip and also other field trip there in Allentown?

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 5:23

Yeah, I was, I was just totally overwhelmed. I would be, you know, crying. It, it was so deeply personal to me, seeing where the, the actual Liberty Bell where it was displayed. And another interesting karmic thing is during the the Revolutionary War, the Liberty Bell was actually smuggled out of Philadelphia and brought to Allentown and hidden in the basement of Old Zion Church so that the British couldn't capture it and melt it down into bullets. And, and so everything was, it just felt so, so deeply personal to me about this. I could kind of be in, in the energy of it and it. It just completely blew me away. And it wasn't until just recently, just a couple years ago that I was in a past life regression. Normally I'm leading them and so when you're leading them, you kind of don't go into the regression yourself. You're holding the sacred space for the people in it. You're making sure that everybody is on a, on a positive level with it. So this time I was actually able to let go and go into the past life regression, and I was Thomas Jefferson's mom. It was so interesting because in the 17 hundreds women didn't have any kind of a political voice, and I

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 6:43

Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 6:43

that I had very strong opinions about liberty and democracy, and so I was kind of pushing my son into going into politics and becoming a writer and all this so that he could express the views that I held very deeply, but I couldn't speak to myself. And when. I was done with the regression. I was so fascinated with this information and being an old newspaper reporter I had to investigate this. And it turns out Thomas Jefferson's mother's name was Jane Randolph Jefferson, Jr. I'm a jr.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:18

Oh my

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:18

She died of a brain. She died of an aneurysm. I died of a brain aneurysm, but I came back and sometimes it, the historical account said Thomas Jefferson resented her for pushing him into politics and writing. So, so no wonder I felt such a strong connection to everything going on in Philadelphia and everything dealing with the colonial era.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:44

I take it, you probably got on a bus to go to the, the See the Liberty Bell and to see carpenter Hall

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:51

Yep.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:51

From

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:52

Yeah.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:52

So when you got on the bus, were you feeling anything then, or,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 7:57

Oh yeah. No, always. I I, I just even hearing the stories about the revolution Disney put out the movie Johnny Tremaine. I. And I remember watching that and just sobbing hysterically. Johnny Tremaine was an apprentice to Paul Revere, I believe, the silversmith. And, and it was just, it's like I understood everything that was happening. I identified with the people and what they were wearing and what they were eating. Everything was just so vivid for me. And I, I realize now that I was having very strong past life recall. For for having been there before. And also whenever we go someplace and especially when something dramatic has happened there, we leave energetic fingerprints basically, and so like if you go into an old, old church where there have been, centuries of prayer, you can feel the energy of that.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 8:49

You

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 8:49

And so,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 8:50

felt

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 8:50

yeah. And so me going into like carpenter's hall with the, the school field trip. And just being there in the energy of, of, yeah, my son Thomas

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:01

Right?

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:01

Ben Franklin and George Washington, and feeling all of these so deeply and personally, it and then growing up in a house from that era, the whole thing was sometimes overwhelming, but also it just was so incredibly normal for me. It's like, this is just where I go, what I, what I.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:20

I, I understand because you as a person, even despite the fact you are a young

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:25

Mm-hmm.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:26

we all have to develop defense mechanisms and survival mechanisms, and you were developing and had developed there. The ability to have a very real and natural reaction to this past life, meanwhile, keep it, Separate

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:46

Yeah, having to pass for normal, pretty much, and not

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:49

Right,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:50

on that I'm having these, these memories, this recall, these sensations from, from other,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:57

right,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 9:57

times. Not acknowledging that because it was, you know, I kept getting the message. Be normal. Don't be weird, you know?

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 10:05

Right, right. Now, one thing that you and I talked about was that at some point in time in your youth that you started to sing in a language you don't know,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 10:18

Yeah. And it, it wasn't just like singing, it was like opera

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 10:21

right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 10:22

munchkin. I was just. Doing that, and I can still do it today. And something else about music, music is it's a particle in the wave. It has like all kinds of physical properties, emotional it can be emotional catalyst, all these, all these different things. When I was, I guess around six, I was at a little friend's house down in the Finnish basement. Her dad was a school psychologist and he was working in his desk in a different part of the room. She had started taking Montessori violin classes and so her little violin was, was sitting there and I was fascinated with this, and so I walked over and picked up her violin and started to play it. And I don't mean making noise. I mean, I was playing. The violin viol. And her father immediately jumped up from his desk and came running over, and he said, how long have you been taking lessons? You know, because I didn't realize it at the time, but he felt great competition with my parents about

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 11:20

Okay.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 11:21

are doing. And I was so scared by their reaction that I just put the little violin down and I, I never learned to read music because of that. It's like I've carried that fear with me, but it was more proof to me looking, you know. Retrospectively that I have had lifetimes in music, you know, in different countries. And it's making me feel like you really need to learn how to read music now, because there's something there. But I, I have play the guitar, I sing, you know, all of that. But,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 11:54

Mm-hmm.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 11:55

but there's, it's, it goes a lot deeper. I, I get the message.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 11:59

Well, yeah, that I recently did an interview with a, a scientist, Jim Matlock who's very well noted and respected here in the United States and around the world. And he studies that children. That have memories of past lives, and a couple of the aspects of that is sometimes will speak another language. just briefly, he talked about one girl that grew up and, and She was able to speak. A language, but not the language that the people spoke all around her. And she, it wasn't until she was five years old that she started to speak the, the language of her family and all the people around her. And I think of how much easier it would've been to for her just to go ahead and learn the language everyone else was speaking, but this was so strong in her. This other language that she just kept saying it. And so that's, one incredible thing that you had was this language and the idea of the music of being able to play an instrument. Again, this is past lives coming through. An ability that you had before that you were able to just express certainly. As a young person having these experiences, I just can't imagine what it was like for you to, you, you just went up and picked up a violin that, and just started playing it, and then you went home to your house. I couldn't really talk about it. Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 13:37

Right, right.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 13:38

Say, Hey mom, mom, did you know that I can play the violin? You know, can we get a violin?'cause I can play it.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 13:44

Exactly, and had I had the courage to do that or had I felt that my parents would be receptive, you know, I would probably be in a concert hall someplace now, you know, playing violin. But

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 13:56

right,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 13:56

that's part of what drives me now to, to teach these classes to, you know, make this, to normalize this type of ability.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:05

Right. You don't want other people to go through what you went through, which was not to be able to connect up with what was there. What is

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:14

Yeah, no, it was very isolating and

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:17

yes.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:17

I always was made to feel that I had to be normal'cause otherwise it was weird. And so I always had to push myself to excel and to, to really, you know, earn stripes in the real world because that was the message.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:34

I'm looking at my note here that when you were in sixth grade you had a, a teacher named Mr. Phiser, P-F-I-S-T-E-R. And could you tell a little bit about, about that person?

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:47

Yeah, that, that was fifth grade, I believe, and he was.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:51

grade. Okay.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 14:51

Yeah. And I just, I always felt ill when I was around him, and when I would look at him or when I would look at anyone, I could see their features kind of fade out. You know, the eyes might stay the same, the eyes might change colors or shape, but the eyes would pretty much be the constant. But then their features would kind of fade out, and then another face would come in. And so at that age, I didn't totally realize it then I, I was what, nine 10? I was seeing past lives come in and

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 15:23

Spontaneously,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 15:23

yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, I didn't know how to meditate. I didn't know what meditation was. I didn't know any of this. I was just

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 15:31

right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 15:32

channeling it and,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 15:34

now I, you had had never told me that this, you had this ability with other people as well, and that wasn't just Mr. Fester, is that right?

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 15:43

That's right. Yeah, no, I could look at people and, and see their, their face change. Sometimes it was, depending on what they were thinking or feeling, sometimes it would be from another lifetime that was come, coming in to, to show me, you know, who. Who they had been, there was something going on in their lifetime right now that was accessing the information experiences from that particular lifetime.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:07

Right, right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:08

I didn't really know what was happening until

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:12

Right,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:12

a year or two later I discovered, I dunno how I did it, but Edgar Casey books, you know, there is a river and, and all these, and I. Went from that into the Seth material and Ruth Montgomery and life and teachings of the Masters of the Far East. So here I am, you know, 11, 12, 13, just devouring these books and getting such validation because my entire lifetime up to that point I had just been labeled, the Strange Kid,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:40

Right, right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:41

So it was incredibly. Liberating really to find out that other people did this, that it was a real thing and, and it could be used to help people.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:51

I have learned who Edgar Casey is, but could you tell people if they're not familiar with that

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:56

Sure,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:56

who, who? He, it was, he passed away

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 16:59

yeah, sure. He was seen as America's a sleeping clairvoyant. He was, I believe, a photographer just doing normal. Photographic things. And and I believe he had an accident and hit his head. And then discovered that he had this ability when he would go into like a self-induced trance, kinda like he was sleeping, he suddenly had access to what Tesla talked about as this vast reservoir of, of knowledge in the universe or the IC records or whatever you wanna call this, this core of, of knowing past, present, future. And people would contact him with like physical ailments or, emotional things that were happening in their life that they couldn't understand. And he would go into this trance. He would have a person there that would transcribe what he would say, but he would come up with very specific solutions, like different, chemicals and herbs and things like that, that could be combined to create something that would completely heal whatever the person's physical ailment was or be able to explain to them a specific past life situation where they had maybe encountered the same person they're having an issue with in their current lifetime

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 18:07

Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 18:08

and help heal them, but

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 18:10

And very, very successfully.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 18:12

very successfully. And there's phenomenal documentation about this. And there's even the a RE, the Association of Research and Enlightenment. Which was created around his teachings to help other people learn to develop these abilities and, and learn from what he shared and his volume of.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 18:31

and at the time when he was doing this, was really not known. There was not much known about this. There was no publicity about it. Right? I mean, this was, he was one of the only sources of this type of, of information from the other

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 18:50

Right, right. And, and in, in our culture, this was something that society, this just was not. As you said, you know, really acknowledged or anything. Whereas in indigenous cultures and traditions this is very revered. You know, being able, being able to access information from other places and, and bring it into modern day.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:12

Okay, but in, the United States, in the 19 hundreds, the, mid 19 hundreds, I. Nobody was doing this. No. And, the same with the, the Ruth Montgomery and the Seth Chronicles. And that was another connection with the other side.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:29

Right.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:30

And, and some, and channeling,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:32

And

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:32

And,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:33

Ruth Montgomery in particular was really meaningful for me because she was a journalist, she was a reporter, and she, in her research was discovering over and over again things that could not be explained just within what the paradigm was at that time.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:49

Right,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:49

And so that's when she began to devote her life to getting this information and sharing it.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 19:57

When you first got access to these writings, you, I think you said you were 12 now. You had been having these type of experiences for eight years now and at least and repeatedly I. Without any explanation as to how could this be, and are there other people out there that are having these things? It wasn't like you could go on YouTube or the internet or, or whatever. There just wasn't, it wasn't a news story or a, or a documentary there for you to see. So you were there at like a little island, You were having these experiences that was part of you, absolutely. Part of you, also was a human being trying to desperately to be accepted into regular,, society as we all do, and, and I just can't imagine how difficult that was for

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 20:51

I think the thing that saved my life was in third grade. I was so lucky to be. Put into the the special education program for gifted children in our school district. And so from so for four grades, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth, I was in an incredibly creative environment where it, it was great. Nothing was linear. And so I was doing things like writing a parody of the Tempest and making the costumes and the class would act it out. I mean,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 21:24

Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 21:24

that, obviously from a past life, working with Shakespeare.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 21:28

Yeah. Right,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 21:29

I could do things like that. Taking field trips to the UN and totally, you know,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 21:36

Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 21:37

understanding different languages and different cultures and traditions and, and just having access to things that I would not have had, had I been in a more typical limited linear school. I think I probably would've been labeled. I don't know what it would've been labeled, but I would have. It would've been pretty bleak because I would've consistently gotten a message, there's something wrong with you. This is not how we normally do this. So.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 22:06

Thank goodness for that, for that program. There was one time when you got some attention that you didn't really want, and that's when you had a some type of vision or something involving a Vietnam veteran with a LSD flashback. Could you talk

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 22:24

Oh gosh. Yeah.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 22:25

please?

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 22:26

Yeah. Oh, that, as you say that, I kind of like back into, you know, a tiny little shell. I believe I was like 12. And for a creative writing assignment, I wrote about a Vietnam vet having a bad LSD flashback. And, and I remember you know, it was handwritten and I put it in like a little folder and I had a, I cut out construction paper and waves to kind of show what his vision was as he was on this LSD trip and, and had this all together and handed it into my teacher. Well, my. Aunt was a nurse and she read this and she told my parents that there was no way I could have written such an accurate account of an LSD flashback unless I myself had personally taken LSD.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 23:15

Okay. Okay.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 23:16

resulted in a trip to the pediatrician's office, and he was looking between my fingers and toes for needle marks. And it's like, that's not even how you take LSD, but, but it was like getting kind of squished down and, and being told it's not okay, how you think. It's not okay, how you process things and this frightens us and we need to figure out what's wrong with you. And

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 23:38

Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 23:39

so. That was tough. And even just things like writing a book report on like Treasure Island. I remember what I did was I took pieces of oak tag, you know, the heavier paper. I stained it with tea and, and I wrote this thing out and I was the kid from Treasure Island that's, I took on that persona and I wrote about what had happened. During, you know, the story of Treasure Island and then how I had decided to stay on the island and marry a native girl, and I had a family and I was hoping that someone would find this note and then I rolled it up and put it in an empty bottle and handed that in as my report.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:13

Oh, so creative.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:14

But it's like pulling from like past life things and, and

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:18

Right, right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:21

and the.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:21

That's not fair. John Ray, you're cheating. Well, I lived it, so you know, I could talk about it.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:32

I was a sailor. I put many messages and bottles and threw them off the ship,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:35

Oh

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:36

trying to pass as normal was interesting.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:39

One thing I just wanna touch on too is that you were, were very close with your grandfather and his name is Raymond.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:47

Right, right.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:49

And that's where your ray, the ray part of your name comes from

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:53

Yeah. Yep,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:54

Yep.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:54

yep.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:55

And the time when he passed you were very close with him, I think,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 24:59

I was, I was, he was a musician, as a matter of fact. And so that was something that we, we had in common on a, an energetic level.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 25:11

Yes, yes. You being a violinist

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 25:14

Yes.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 25:14

all,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 25:15

And a German opera singer.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 25:17

and an opera, German opera singer. but at any rate, he passed away and you were profoundly, affected by that. And, and understanding is that you wrote a poem and could you tell us about

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 25:31

Sure, sure. I. Was, was very, very close to, to papa, who was a Renaissance man. He taught agriculture at Penn State, and he was a musician, he was a farmer, all these different things. And I was just fascinated with him. And when he died, I, I was heartbroken. I was only 14. And so I wrote this little poem because I was always doing the creative writing things and the poem. I just sat down and did it, didn't really think about it. And the beginning was to die his but to board a ship bound for a holy port. There is eternal peace and joy. No pain of any sort. All earthly worries melt away like ice. At dawn of spring, the heart is freed eternally of every painful thing, and when at last God's port is reached, all suffering is passed. You realize with Reverend thanks that you've come home at last. So I was 14 when I wrote that, and I didn't find out until later. Yeah, basically it was a Viking funeral I was writing about. We were vikings. I didn't know that, but it was like picking up on that frequency and the minister read it at his funeral and

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:49

beautiful.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:49

yeah.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:51

Beautiful. So your connection then with another past life of Viking,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:55

Yep.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:55

Viking

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:56

Yep.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 26:57

A again, as a young girl your life after your. 12, 13, 14 years you went on and went to college, I believe, and I think you mentioned that you got a, a scholarship.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:10

I did, I did. I wanted to be an anthropologist until I got a journalism scholarship. To college. It's like, okay, fine. I'll write.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:18

We'll go with that. Yeah. And where did you go to college? I.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:21

I went to Ryder College in Trenton, New Jersey. Right now it's, it's Ryder University. It has grown since then. But that was my first time away from the very restrictive command under which I grew up. And Dad had been a, a Marine Corps drill sergeant and, and marksman too.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:39

Okay. Say no

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:41

It's very strict. And in college I could really explore all these things that were happening to me that I didn't really have a name for yet. And I would do things like cold seances in the dorms. And this is where the mobiles that everybody had in the seventies would be swinging back and forth and

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:58

yes.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 27:59

would explode off of soda bottles and I would transfigure it into an Indian and everybody would see it in the, in the seance. Do.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:06

Well, let's, let's, let's, let's go through that a little slower. All. So you're in college, you're having a seance. Everybody's there minding their own business. They're like, okay, yeah, yeah. John Ray's gonna have a seance quote unquote, you know? So let's go see what that's all about and happened.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:25

Well, the thes that everybody had hanging in their dorm rooms back in the S started to back, and as spirit showed up in.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:35

Okay. And did anyone have a reaction

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:38

They were freaked out. They were totally freaked out. They were terrified of me and,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:42

Okay. And what

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:44

the caps would explode off of soda bottles. They would all see me transfigure into an Indian. It wasn't just one person and there were no drugs involved in this. You know,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:54

Now what do you mean you would transfigure into an

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 28:57

the same way that I could look at Mr. Fister and see his features change.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 29:01

Right. I.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 29:02

I was very powerfully. Transfiguring and, and they could see it. Everybody saw it in, in the group, which kind of freaked them out. Something else that I, as, as they were beginning to realize I was kind of, you know, different. One of the, the women in the dorm lost a silver ring and she said, can you find it? And I said. Yeah. And so word got around the dorm pretty quickly and, and so I, I took her outside and I was walking with her huge campus and, and going on these little pathways and the crowd behind us is getting bigger and bigger as people were saying, yeah, she thinks she can find a ring. This is really crazy. And, and so after a couple minutes of just walking on these different pathways and, and all that, I just stopped. And bend down and reach into the grass and pick up her ring and she looks at it and grabs it and screams, everybody screams and they run back to the dorm.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:05

Right.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:06

So, you know but I know, I know. And, and then another thing that was interesting, in January we had the opportunity to do an independent study program in

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:16

Okay.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:16

college.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:17

This is January in

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:18

In college. Yeah, college. And I thought, wouldn't it be cool to do an independent study on healing? And

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:25

Healing. Okay.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 30:27

And so I had talked one of my professors into being my advisor for this, and so I. He and I would bring six students into his office and he would stand there with a stopwatch and it would be like a cheerleader with a pulled hamstring. And you know, I would start like with my hands above her head, working in her energy field, never actually physically touching anybody. And he would stand there with a stopwatch to see. How long it would take for the person to, to feel fine. Bruises would disappear, headaches would go away. The hamstring, you know, just stopped hurting. It stopped aching as as we were doing this. And so, you know, at at Ryder College, there might still be a documented study of how long it takes to heal all these different things. So

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:18

Through, through energy.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:19

yeah. Yeah, just totally working with the energy. And the reason I wanted to do this was. I was also a teen reporter for the Allentown Morning Coal newspaper, and I was assigned all the weird stories to cover, which I loved, and so they sent me to cover this psychics lecture and she was talking, and then she stopped her lecture and came over to me and picked me outta the crowd and said I was gonna be one of the leaders in raising world consciousness that was gonna start in my forties.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:48

let's go. Let's go over that a little bit

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:50

Okay.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:50

The, the person who was giving the. What was it? A

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:54

She was,

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:55

was,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:55

yeah, there was a psychic in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 31:59

Alright, so she's a psychic and you're in a crowd of

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:01

Yeah. I'm the little reporter sent to cover it for the team.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:04

Oh, that's right. You're the reporter sent to cover this psychic speech or whatever session, she came to you and she said that you, John Ray, that she had, you met her before.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:15

No, no. I had no idea who she was. And

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:19

And, and,

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:19

yeah.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:20

she came over and stood by

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:22

Yeah. Picked me out. She said, you're a psychic, you're a healer, and you're also gonna be helping to raise world consciousness, and that's gonna start when you're in your forties.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:32

okay.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:33

so here I am, this little 17-year-old, kind of freaked out by all this. But that was why then when I was back in college, you know, from the summer break where I had written this article, I wanted to kind of test the healing thing and see what that was all about, and by golly, it worked.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 32:52

I have a person that's become my friend that I met through the podcast. Her name's Margie mBio, she is a Reiki practitioner. And, she also has, I've done some past life aggressions with her that are very, very profound and strong and. She, like you, has an extraordinary connection the other side and, and abilities that she's modest about, but are extraordinary. And you're very modest about these abilities and they are extraordinary. I I, I'm gonna have to finish up for this episode. But the, the fact that. At 17, this person without ever meeting you before, a person who was connecting up from with the other side identified you and, and predicted what you're going to do. It is really significant. And I, I know for you it was just another day.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 34:01

Yeah, she was reading my energy field and yeah. And this is something everybody can do and this is something that. You know, we, we just need to normalize this.

james_2_02-01-2025_125213 34:13

Yeah. Well, the Practical Spirituality Institute is available to look at online. I take it and, and I urge anybody who. is interested to take a look at that and perhaps attend classes and develop abilities that you have that you don't know you have, you might not think you have, but that you do have taught by a person who is obviously incredibly gifted and spiritual and kind, so I can't urge you enough. To check out the Practical Spirituality Institute and to do further research into John Ray Barges, who is an incredible person. And I'm just so honored to have you on John Ray, and thank you so much for, for being here. I really look forward to our, our next time to do more in our series of interviews with you, because you have a lot to give us. And, and I do thank you for that.

jonna-rae_2_02-01-2025_125213 35:19

Thank you so much, Jim. It's, it's such an honor.