Journeys into Consciousness: Exploring Hypnotherapy and Shamanic Practices with Deanna Torres

We continue our conversation with Deanna Torres, diving into her transformative journey following a divorce and her venture into hypnotherapy and shamanic practices. 

Deanna shares her experience with visualization exercises that led her to discover hypnotherapy, her training under renowned teachers, and the overlapping techniques of hypnotherapy and shamanic work. The interview explores the brainwave states associated with hypnosis and shamanic journeys, the concept of accessing the subconscious mind, and the intricate connections between the physical and spiritual worlds. 

Deanna also discusses her studies with the Michael Newton Institute, navigating between lives, and the impact of these practices on spiritual awareness. 

Finally, she offers insights into the accessibility of these experiences for others and the profound support from spiritual guides and allies.

Transcript

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 1:54

Well, welcome Deanna Torres for the second part of our interview. Appreciate you

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 1:59

you, Jim.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 2:01

We're having a ball and we've. talked in the first episode, if you are tuning into this and you haven't listened to the first, I recommend that you do listen to it but we're at a point now where life is or reached a place where something needs to change. And there's only one way to do that and that's to do something. Deanna, what was the first thing that you started do to take action to change your life?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 2:26

Well after the divorce and like I said, getting reestablished I was still working in education and then I found my new partner who is wonderful and. I knew I needed to change my career, I wanted to do something in the healing field but I didn't know what it was. So, I did this kind of, this visualization energy exercise where I created this bubble of light and I put into it how I would feel. When I'm doing the work that I'm called to do, right, how am I gonna feel? Because I don't know what that work looks like. I don't know where it is, right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 3:06

right,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 3:06

I'm going to feel, confident, calm, happy, excited to do this work. My clients, whoever it is, are gonna come. It's gonna be a good fit. I'm just putting all these emotions of how I'm gonna feel into this bubble.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 3:20

It reminds me of law of attraction.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 3:22

It isn't in a way I, I'm in, yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 3:25

in a way, you're, you're gonna visualize, you're gonna feel it. You, you wanna

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 3:29

I wanna feel the emotion of it leaving open, what it will look like, because I don't know.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 3:36

right.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 3:37

I did that

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 3:38

I.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 3:38

over the course of the week. I did that about three times and just kind of sent it off going Okay. I don't know. Well, after that I was in like. The next week, right after I had done that three times, three different people at three different times, didn't know each other in three different places, came up to me and as we were talking, said, you know, you should think about hypnotherapy and the first, yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 4:02

Oh my

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 4:03

And the first time that happened, I said, I don't even know what that is.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 4:07

Right, right.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 4:08

you know, the second person was like, well, that's an interesting coincidence. Okay. And the third time I went, okay, fine. Okay, fine. Okay, fine.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 4:16

Alright,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 4:17

it. I got it. So the, the amazing thing I went, I went home and I Googled, hypnotherapy school, Sacramento, and. The one that I went to at the time was here in Sacramento, and

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 4:30

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 4:30

I looked it up. And the next night she was having kind of this open house is hypnotherapy right for you, for, training right for you? Because she was gonna start the year long training program that weekend, so, so Wednesday. Tuesday, I looked it up. Wednesday I went to the program. I knew by the end of, I was like, of course, of course. But I told her I had to think about it. Thursday, I enrolled in Friday, I started. So

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 5:01

Oh

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 5:01

was the timing, it was just boom, boom, boom. So I'm like, that's just, you couldn't have asked for that.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 5:07

not an accident.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 5:08

no. Those were the signposts that, your soul sets ahead of time in your life. Plan. There people talk about, well, what's the difference between, predetermination, predestination and free will? And it's like, well, there's both, right? It's like there's

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 5:24

Yeah.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 5:24

a basic movie script where you gotta hit this mark and you gotta hit that mark, but you can ad lib in between, right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 5:32

Right, right. That's a great way to

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 5:34

Yeah. So the free will is you get to choose. You get to decide, well, if I want to do this, am I gonna go straight there or am I gonna kind of take a lot of detours? But eventually you will get there. So yeah, that was the beginning of a wonderful journey. That was in 2009. And at the same time.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 5:53

And, that was Catherine Zimmerman you were studying with right.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 5:56

yes. California Hypnotherapy Academy. She's amazing. She's in San Diego now. So shout out to Catherine. And at the same time I started training with Hank Wesselman and his wife Jill in Shamonic work. Which I found the overlaps between the two to be very similar. You know, accessing the trance state to receive infor intuitive information to make stronger connections to the spirit world, to the beings who are surrounding us all the time to try to help. Right.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 6:26

Yeah, let's, let's slow down and go back through what you

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 6:29

okay.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 6:30

about there. know, because you covered a

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 6:32

Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 6:34

And so in the shamanic as well as the Hypnotherapy,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 6:39

Yeah. Hypnotherapy. Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 6:41

Yeah. What are the things that you're doing? You're entering a trance

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 6:45

Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 6:45

right?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 6:46

Well, you're accessing a natural brainwave state. All right. Facebook brainwaves. Okay, beta brainwaves. You're wide awake, you're alert, you're focused, you're really intense. You know, on a task.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 7:00

That's where you and I are right

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 7:01

We're in beta, right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 7:02

right?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 7:03

Alpha is, a slower brainwave. You are in that daydreamy kind of everything's good state, just relax. And when you're relaxed, right, they're in the kind more receptive mode there. Below that, there's a thin band in the brainwave state, like four to seven beats per second. That's called theta. And

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 7:23

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 7:24

where shamanic practitioners go. They drop into that to access that brainwave state. And in hypnosis we take people to low alpha or even high theta. Same state. Now below that is Delta, where you fall asleep. So

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 7:38

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 7:39

night on your way to sleep, you go right through that hypnotic state. That's why you, your body gets heavy and you don't act out your dreams. Right. Right.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 7:49

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 7:50

And then you wake up and you go through it again. So it's not something outside of us or foreign, it is a natural function of our, our brains. Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 8:02

When we all go to sleep, we don't control the flow of it.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 8:06

Some people you can, right.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 8:09

to,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 8:09

can though, like when you're first waking up from a nap without an alarm clock, you know, you just wake up naturally and your body is still heavy and you feel so cozy, but you know you're awake even if you don't open your eyes. You're very aware of what's going on in the room.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 8:27

right, right.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 8:27

that's it. You're there, right? Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 8:31

okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 8:32

haven't started the day and jumped up and gone, oh my God, what time is it? What day is it? What do I have to do? Shoot you into beta. Yeah, so being able to do that though, on demand, basically, you know, to put yourself into that trance, state mediums do it. That's how they can shift their awareness so they can see things that. Aren't apparent to our physical eye. It doesn't mean they're not there. It just means that we aren't seeing them. So shifting into that, that's the, like I said, shamanic practitioners go there. We take our clients then to that state as hypnotherapist, because in that place you can access the subconscious mind. Ah, so in hypnotherapy, our goal is to. Whether that's to create change, to release core beliefs, to release trauma to affect, you know, change in how you perceive yourself in the world. You know, we can't do that from the conscious mind, so we have to access the subconscious to do that.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 9:28

And we can get there in the low alpha. Can we

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 9:33

Absolutely.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 9:33

And optimally theta.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 9:35

is great, but you don't have to get there. Yep. Meditators get there. When you're empty, blank mind, and you're just allowing, watching the thoughts go by or, just being in that nowness space, that's where the subconscious has come up and you're in that field of perception because to the subconscious mind, everything is now the conscious mind that thinks in future and past. Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 10:00

see. I see.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 10:02

Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 10:02

I had a fascinating interview with a fellow who worked for

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 10:05

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 10:06

doing

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 10:07

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 10:07

viewing, and that was all about the subconscious, a learning to communicate with your

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 10:13

That is a very shamanic thing actually. He was projecting his consciousness to somewhere else in what the shamans call the middle world. Okay, the, this earth and the energy level of the earth is the middle world. According in the shamanic cosmology,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 10:27

I'm sorry. Say, say that

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 10:28

this physical earth, right? The physical universe and the energy component of it. That is called the middle world in shamanic cosmology. So yeah, that's what they were doing. They were literally projecting their consciousness to somewhere that they wanted to go. Some people call it dream walking, right? Or astral projection. It's the same thing.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 10:49

Oh my goodness. And so the subconscious is where it's at.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 10:53

Well, you are not, when you're astral projecting, you're not in your subconscious. You are projecting your awareness. That's shamanic journey work is what you're doing. Astral projection is the same. You are projecting your consciousness. Hank used to call it read geography conscious awareness. You're just shifting to a different location and observing and your energy body, right? So, but yeah, the subconscious mind allows you to access quite a bit.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 11:22

I love that concept of, I'm conscious. I'm sitting here talking to you, and my consciousness is right here. I could,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 11:32

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 11:34

I could take this same consciousness that I'm here. I'm looking around, I'm seeing things. This consciousness, I could transfer to another place on the, on

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 11:44

You can Yes. On the globe and in any of the other dimensions in the other worlds. Yep. As well, as long as you know how to do. Have you heard of Robert Monroe, the Monroe Institute?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 11:54

Yes.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 11:55

this way back in the. Eighties, seventies, eighties. He wrote about his experience with spontaneously doing this and not understanding what was happening. So yes, with the right training, with the right practice, yes, absolutely you can it's best to have a teacher so that when you get into situations, in fact, Monroe did cover a time loop in his books. Where his future self came back to rescue his younger self which was fascinating.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 12:24

that is, I am not familiar with that until today. A time loop where we ourselves could help an

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 12:31

version of ourselves. Yes. Yeah. Earlier age of ourselves. Yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 12:35

So neat, so neat.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 12:36

so yeah, so I studied with Hank and Jill for about 10 years. And in that time, interestingly, both Catherine Zimmerman, my hypnotherapy teacher and Hank Wessel, and my shaman teacher recommended Michael Newton's books because we can access the spirit world, which Shamanic cosmology calls the upper world. Through trance, through journey work and through hypnosis, we can

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 13:02

Okay, so we talked about the middle world. we are right now.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 13:06

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 13:07

And then you can using. These methods go to, what was the other world?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 13:12

The upper, upper, upper world. Right. And this does not denote like this. It's better. Because there's also the lower world, but the lower world is not hell or anything dark. It's the dreaming of nature. Okay? So you'll find in the lower world, the spirit animal allies animals and mythological beings who, with logical beings and animals who've gone extinct. People who've. You know, races have gone extinct. Their echo of their experience is still there. Right? It's a place of power, but it doesn't mean that they're like hierarchical. It's actually, you know what a Taurus is a donut shape. It's a four dimensional,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 13:52

A a what?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 13:53

A Taurus, T-O-R-U-S, Taurus. It's a shape,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 13:58

No,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 13:59

shape of a donut. Okay?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 14:02

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 14:02

What some call, I believe a four dimensional sphere. So you can go so far down in the lower world, but what happens is you start shifting around and then you end up in the upper world, it's all connected, right? And you can go so far up in the upper world that eventually you'll come up and go, whoa, where you're in the lower worlds, but it's, it's not hierarchical like heaven and hell, that sort of thing.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 14:28

Okay. Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 14:28

just the denoting in the upper world. You're, you're working with the what Hank called the organizing intelligences, the higher organizing intelligences, right? So,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 14:41

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 14:41

The, the beings of light, the being the council, you're a guide your, your soul self who stays in the spirit world, and other beings and other. Places beyond that and but I don't wanna get too far off of where.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 15:01

No, but there are a lot of things that came to my mind there, so let's keep going as we're, as we're going. I think where we're going is Dr. Michael Newton.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 15:10

yes. So, yeah, I, in 2011, I studied at the Newton Institute and because the training was here in California, Dr. Newton and his wife Peggy, also came to the training, even though he was retired at the time. But it was really wonderful to be able to get, he would, he couldn't stay silent. The teachers would say something, he'd, he'd be like, oh yeah. Then half the, then he'd end up in the front teaching us. So his work,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 15:36

Wonderful opportunity

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 15:37

yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 15:38

to come along at that time when he was still involved like

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 15:42

Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 15:43

I mean, still the Michael Newton Institute's very, very top level

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 15:46

Yeah. And.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 15:47

but how nice that you got a chance to be there when Michael

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 15:50

Yeah, that was a real blessing. Again, I believe that was one of those preordained times,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 15:55

Yep. Absolutely.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 15:57

with his work in hypnosis and taking his clients to explore the spirit world right beyond this see in the energy level of the earth. Okay, let me back up a little bit here. You know, you have a physical body and an energy body. Right. Well, the earth has a physical body and an energy body. We call that the astral planes. Okay. So in your energy body, all your thoughts and your emotions and your concepts and your constructs and the matrix of who, you think you're allowed to be all as there in your energy body. Right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 16:35

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 16:35

Okay. Now, in the earth's energy,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 16:38

Would that be my consciousness?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 16:40

Yes. Is, is not. Fixed in your body, right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 16:44

No. So is that, so that's in the

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 16:47

Correct. Correct. Right. It's,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 16:49

It's not the same as the

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 16:50

it's not the same.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 16:51

It's a

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 16:52

That's not, that's right. That's why people can remote view or go travel because they're taking, they're taking their consciousness out of their body and traveling in their energy body. Okay.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 17:05

Okay. And when their, when their physical body ceases to function, then their energy body remains and

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 17:12

Yes. And you can actually step out of not only the physical and the energetic, but you can even step out of the, into the etheric, which allows you to go even farther. But that's for another day. So

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 17:24

That

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 17:25

that's for another day.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 17:27

You

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 17:27

Okay?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 17:28

You count on it

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 17:28

so in the earth's energy body, in the astral level of reality.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 17:34

okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 17:34

heaven, every hell, every afterlife that humans have ever invented exists as a thought form. We've created it. Every movie character, ev, they exist

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 17:48

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 17:49

as this energy pocket. Because we are creators, we, we create. And so what we imagine and dream, especially like, we think of pop culture and the movies that are worldwide, you can run into Cap and Jack Sparrow out there because he's so, or Winnie the Pooh, or if you're into horror, you could meet some of those characters out there too, because they exist as thought forms with billions of people believing in them, giving them force and focus and shape and personality. Okay. So in that level of reality, every heaven, every hell, every afterlife, every Valhalla, every, Hades every, Elysium Muslim paradise, every, it all exists as a thought form out there in the energy level of earth. But that's not the spirit world, the spirit world.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 18:44

Let, let me stop you. Lemme stop you there. I am thinking Akashic records when you're talking

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 18:49

That exists in the higher levels, that's beyond the Earth's energy body. Okay?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 18:55

Okay. So, but you're talking about these things. My belief in a

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:02

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:02

or, and, and

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:03

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:05

How, how does it exist?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:06

Well, the word is thought form. Buddhist column, topa. Okay. It's a thought form. It is a, a form made of thoughts that you can't, is created, given focus, given shape, given energy and it exists in the psyche of humans, and especially if it's something that's worldwide. Okay. Or if, or held over many hundreds or thousands of years

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:34

Santa Claus.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:35

a thought form. Yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:39

people all over the world thinking about St. Nicholas, Santa

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:43

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:44

and putting a lot

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:46

Yep.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:46

into it. That's a

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:48

Yes. And all the variations of Santa Claus based on the different cultures all around the world. Not just

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:55

Thought form.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:56

right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:57

Yeah.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:57

yeah. So

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 19:59

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 19:59

so after someone dies, depending on where they believe they should go,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 20:06

Mm-hmm.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 20:06

will either, if they're aware enough, they'll skip it and go to the spirit world. If they're not, they will end up in one of those thought form places. It's not bad. It's not good. According to the spirit world, you're just continuing to have an experience for that lifetime. That lifetime isn't over yet. Right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 20:27

okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 20:28

But those places are not the spirit world. That is beyond

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 20:33

Oh, okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 20:35

the energy level of reality that is in the spirit level of reality. And that's where Dr. Newton discovered you can take clients by accessing, taking them deep enough to connect to the subconscious, which is always connected to the spirit world. That's how he was a able to access. Who are you between lives? Where do you go between lives? What do you study, what do you learn? And you are not your soul. It's as if to use actors again. Okay? Your soul looks at a script and says, Ooh, I want to play that character, and ooh, that that person's gonna be in this other role with me. Yes, we're gonna do this together. Right? And your

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 21:21

soul, your soul's

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 21:23

soul is making that decision. And some people like Jane Roberts, she wrote the Seth Material or the Education of Oversoul seven. So she calls that the Oversoul the Soul. That's kind of over everything, right? That includes not only every past life you've ever lived, but also all the experiences that it's having in between lives, right? So when it's time. For example, for an actor to put themselves into a role, they don't put the entirety of themselves into a role. They don't lose themselves. They don't forget who they are. They put part of themselves into a role, right? And the same with the souls, the oversouls, they take a percentage of their energy into form. Dr. Newton discovered it was anywhere between 25 and 70%, although 70 percent's a lot. 25% is not usually enough.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 22:20

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 22:20

it's in that ballpark range. So that part comes in and makes the symbiotic connection with the body in utero, usually about three to six months of gestation. Right. But the interesting thing is. Because Dr. Newton created this method, and there are many other methods that other people have created. You know, he's not the only one. We can take people who don't have shamonic training, who don't have trans skills, we can guide and facilitate them. To the spirit world so they can have this experience for themselves. And that in and of itself is contributing to the shift in the awareness and the level of spiritual responsiveness in, in consciousness in the world. Right?

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 23:10

Okay.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 23:11

Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 23:15

Would you say that again? That the fact that we can go to that time

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 23:23

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 23:24

and that is contributing to

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 23:28

The raising of the conscious frequency vibration in all of. Everyone's awareness right in the field of humanity. Where before it was just that this heaven or whoop that hell or whoop we, and the few mystics, the few back then would have this, ah. Awareness, right? A few people might have that open connection to their over stolen, but now it's like what Brian Weiss did for past lives, Dr. Newton did for between lives, and I love to see it branching out and it being expressed in other ways as well and other methods of getting there. but this is how I was trained and yes, because more people are now having experienced it over the last 30 years. Right.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 24:19

Right.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 24:20

We are starting to see a shift in the people who are coming to us, who are now more spiritually prepared and can access it easier. Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 24:29

There is a, a training that is offered by the Michael Newton Institute for a select few people to learn how to do this assisting people to go to that

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 24:42

Yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 24:43

area,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 24:43

Between lives? Yes. You do have to have hypnotherapy training and past life regression training. And more than just reading from a script, it needs to be transpersonal hypnotherapy training. And some experience, at least a year and a half of experience doing past life regression and transpersonal hypnotherapy work. So there are some prerequisites because it's an advanced training. Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 25:09

Yeah, what is transpersonal?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 25:12

Okay, so transpersonal is okay, let me back up.'cause there's also client centered and then there's script based. So there are hypnotherapy schools that will teach you how to hypnotize someone here. Use the script, read this modulate your voice in your pitch and your tone. And then we're gonna relax the client and read a script to change behavior. And then reer. That is a script-based hypnotherapy. Okay? In contrast, client-centered is where the client is speaking to you while they are in trance. Okay. You are working together with them. You are working to affect goals. They're telling you what they're experiencing and you are in response to them. And then transpersonal is, not only are you doing client centered, but it's also connected to all the other beings, ancestors who love the client, the soul, the guide, any other spirit. I call'em spirit allies. Some people call them guides with the lowercase g, you know, the others who are there to support the client in this work. So it's not as opposed to script based, which is you relax, I read to you, you're done. Change will happen. Right? You'd have to listen to the recording over and over. This is kind of, there are no, there are no roads,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 26:32

yes. You know let me, let me just jump in. I, I have had the what's the middle one there?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 26:38

Centered. Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 26:39

client.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 26:40

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 26:41

That hypnotism and Not having had a lot of experience with hypnotism, I take a lot of comfort in being able to communicate with the

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 26:49

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 26:50

with and, and tell them what

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 26:52

Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 26:53

And whether I'm comfortable or not, or, or whatever. And so that, but then, when you talk about the is it interpersonal?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 27:01

transpersonal. Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 27:05

when you talk about the transpersonal and how that works, I can tell you that I had a strong emotional feeling come over me just by you talking about it. The thought that that it's possible to connect up with all those beings, guides, and loved ones, and. Ourselves from other lives. Is that right? Other

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 27:30

Sometimes most, but sometimes well, for when you do past life regression and yes, that's what you are doing.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 27:37

yes. So the, transpersonal. Hypnotherapy is what? Is that what's used with the

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 27:43

with a new Yes. Yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 27:46

work?

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 27:47

he,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 27:48

Wow.

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 27:48

yeah, he did start with just, here's the script, learn the script. Read the script and realized that you know, that didn't allow for a broad, and he did, he did that to at the beginning when he was doing his research because he wanted to have the same parameters, you know, for scientific study. But now with training. and the Newton Institute they really do want to see that you have proficiency. Not only like where are we going, but not using a script, being open to where you are led and guided and for the good of the client.'cause they're the ones, and I, I, I tell them, the team upstairs are the ones who's really running the show today.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 28:36

That's a great, we can all

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 28:38

Right.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 28:38

The team That's right. Oh, that's, that's, they got, the whole squad is over

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 28:44

So supported. You are so loved. You are so surrounded by all these beings of light who love you and are cheering you on, right? It's And that.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 28:56

And now lemme just, that's is the, condition of each and every

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:00

Absolutely. All the time.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:02

Every person on Earth has that team

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:06

Yes,

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:07

that we can't see, we can't verbally talk to,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:12

they're

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:12

there whether we know about it or ever thought

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:15

and you can talk to them because they, but you have to learn how to listen.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:20

That's what I am to work

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:23

Aren't we all.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:24

and I do now start to get a feeling like, oh, it. When I get a, a thought come in my head that really I wasn't thinking about whatsoever. And something comes in my head and I'm like, oh,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:35

Exactly.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:37

Thanks guys. it. Yeah. And so I am starting to get some of that,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 29:43

Yeah.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 29:43

in there. There are so many things that I want to talk to you about, soul fragmentation your work was like as a case reviewer. And the ethereal. That you brought up, which kind of struck a chord that, and so would you be willing to come back and talk more? Please, please,

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 30:03

Jim, this has been a blast. Yes, I will. Mm-hmm.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 30:06

really is, it really is fun. And well, thank you so much, Deanna Torres. Now let me ask this. If somebody wanted to go on one of these voyages with you, you available for them

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 30:21

Yes.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 30:22

For it to take people on these these tours back to

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 30:26

Yes. Called Life Between Lives, hypnosis Sessions. Yes. They can find me either on the Newton, Michael Newton Institute. Find a practitioner. You find, you know, whether you wanna be on Zoom or in person. Everybody there is good, but you can find me there. Or you can look me up on my website, which is hope for u two.com. So HOPE, the number four YOUT o.com.

james_2_05-01-2025_134700 30:57

Thank you so much. I hope a ton of people get a chance to, work with you because it just sounds so, so great. And thank you. Thank you. I look

deanna--she-her-_2_05-01-2025_104701 31:07

Thank you, Jim.