Drinking Our Way Through History
Step into a time-traveling adventure with Drinking Our Way Through History, where Cooper and Ian uncork the fascinating secrets of the past. Embark on an enlightening and uproarious podcast experience as they uncover legendary figures, awe-inspiring sites, captivating spectacles, and remarkable events, all with a quirky blend of humor, intrigue, and heartwarming tales. Sip along as we immerse ourselves in history's intoxicating depths, turning moments of the past into unforgettable memories. Cheers to an epic journey!
Drinking Our Way Through History
Thimble of Whiskey - Forrest Shrimp & Waging Wars
Sit back and relax folks, because we're about to embark on a captivating journey through history, warfare, climate engineering, and secretive society mysteries, all while sipping on a delightful Sauvignon Blanc. We'll take you back to the Elizabethan age where the drama between royal half-sisters Queen Mary and Elizabeth unfolds, and celebrate the birth of Tiberius, son of Augustus, and his impact on the Roman Empire. Curious about the transition from primitive skirmishes to organized conflicts? We've got you covered, as we delve into the various historical massacres across Kenya, Austria, Germany, and Spain, and the technological advancements in weaponry.
But wait, there's more! We'll navigate the controversial waters of climate engineering, discussing the potential solutions to slow down the ice melt in western Antarctica. We'll unpack two theoretical climate engineering techniques, stratospheric aerosol injection and marine cloud lightening, all while taking into account the associated risks and potential complications. Then we'll dive deep into the secretive world of the Nizaris, an ancient society that you'll find has a rather surprising link to the popular video game, Assassins Creed. We're just as intrigued as you are!
Lastly, as we swirl our glasses and pour out the last drops of our Sauvignon Blanc, we'll uncover the fascinating cultural significance of Attenborough's long-beaked echidna, one of the five egg-laying mammal species in the world that has not been seen in 60 years. We'll also explore some of the most bizarre news stories happening around the world, and yes, we'll be talking about tree shrimp! So come on over, sit back, and join us as we combine history, science, and a few quirky bits to make your listening experience a truly enjoyable one. We promise you won't regret it!
- For full disclosure, this description was made by Buzzsprout's ai.....we just thought it was funny ;)
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Speaker 1:It's so loud. Check, we're doing something different, are we we?
Speaker 2:are Shit dude. I thought we were going to talk about history.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're talking about history today. That is a for sure thing. It's literally in the title of the podcast.
Speaker 2:We have to talk about history, that is true. We are going to go ahead and drink our way through history. Speaking of taking a drink meal, chap, I think it's time we take our shot, our shot of wine.
Speaker 1:Well, first, ladies and gentlemen, why this is different today is because this is called a thimble of whiskey.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, so we're drinking wine for the thimble of whiskey, which is fine. It actually is a good symbol for this podcast.
Speaker 1:It's really nice. Honestly, I could use the lightness of this beautiful sauvignon blanc.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, some savagene blanc, yes, cheers.
Speaker 1:Cheers, sir Chink Chink chink, chink chink.
Speaker 2:I don't think we could say that more, though.
Speaker 1:Well, now you made it racist. As soon as you say it another time, it becomes very racist.
Speaker 2:We were clinking. Clink, that's what we were looking for. Shit Fucking Christ, start over.
Speaker 1:No, start over Shit Now. We're just known as racists. It's as easy as that. It's as easy as that. That's how it gets cancelled, and a thimble of whiskey episode is what we do. Tell them Is we are going to, instead of telling an entire story of a specific place, spectacle, event, person, we are going to dive into some articles, history related and things that we find entertaining. Yeah, yeah, and I was out of town this week and is what happens?
Speaker 2:The face you had on your head. It was so sad and disappointing. It was very because I was just.
Speaker 1:I love doing this shit, yeah, I just didn't have the time to actually like get everything together and Well, if you're religious, about the Friday releases.
Speaker 2:Religious, yes, about the Friday releases. Because this is the key, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, consistency is key, exactly. I was like I'm going to do this shit and I was so upset earlier.
Speaker 2:He spent all day working on this script that we are going to use next week. We'll talk about it next week, but he worked on this script all day. And then he was like he came to my room and he was so sad and he's got his little pouty face on and he's like hey man, I don't think I can get this done in time. He only had to his credit 24 hours to write an entire script. Yeah, and I look at him and I'm like bro and I have a job. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, guess what? We also have jobs, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I look at him, I'm like, bro, let's just do a thimble of whiskey, do a thimble.
Speaker 1:Just a little bit. If you've been a long time fan of the show, now like six months now I think we're at Wow, I know, shout out. Six months is that unlike our first episode we talked about potentially involving a thimble of whiskey episode and kind of as a breather for me and my brain. But I mean it's going to be incorporated into. We'll do it more and more, but it's with our regular scheduled show.
Speaker 2:These are my favorite episodes, like I love. I love the other episodes, and to say that this is more my favorite is saying a lot because I do love the other episodes. But these are just fun. We get to just chill, have a conversation about some really cool shit. Yes, drink a little bit.
Speaker 1:And I'm so. It's nice to take a load off Cooper. Take a load off Randy. Is that how the song goes?
Speaker 2:I think so. Yeah, I have never heard that before in my life. It goes definitely different, but it's fine oh good, good, cooper, do you have something that happened today in history?
Speaker 1:Do I have something that happened? Oh, like what happened today in history, because I have two things. Do you have two?
Speaker 2:things I do. I have two things that happened.
Speaker 1:Are you going off of history channel or are you going off of Britannica I?
Speaker 2:don't remember, but they're different. I had to scroll away to find them because I thought they were cool.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean okay. So I will tell you what happened today in history. If this, okay, yeah. So today this is Thursday. Before the Friday release is November 16th the Elizabethan age begins in 1558.
Speaker 2:Wow, shout out home girl Elizabeth.
Speaker 1:Well, ian, actually, oh Well, actually, no, you're right.
Speaker 2:I was like I swear to God.
Speaker 1:I swear to God, queen Mary the first, the monarch of England in Ireland, ireland, ireland, since 1553 dies and is succeeded by her 25 year old half sister, elizabeth Wow, and now the two half sisters, both daughters of King Henry the eighth, had a stormy relationship during Mary's five year reign. Mary, who's brought up to be as a Catholic, enacted pro Catholic legislation and made efforts to restore the Pope to supremacy in England. Ah yes, the Pope. Now there's a lot that more that goes into this and why I won't read this whole damn thing. But this is the beginning of the Elizabethan age in 1558 of November 16th.
Speaker 1:Ian, did you have something more crazy than that? Yeah, I didn't pick that. You didn't pick that.
Speaker 2:That was this is a big deal, it's a big deal, it's a big deal. All right, it's definitely a big deal, I so I thought this was kind of cool.
Speaker 1:He was like I didn't pick something boring.
Speaker 2:No, no, no.
Speaker 1:So I picked two things because I thought they were kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Tiberius, the son of Augustus. It was born today on 42 BCE. Those of you who aren't familiar with Augustus the big ups, augustus yeah. I think Cooper can tell you about who Augustus is very briefly on the spot right now.
Speaker 1:It's very second. No, no, no, you can. It's all you. You're the one who found this.
Speaker 2:Well, he, basically he, he uh, not preceded, he post seated Julius Caesar. That's not a word, but that's what he did. Right, he was right after Julius.
Speaker 1:This is Mark Antony oh after. I could be completely wrong on that be after Mark Anthony, because Mark Anthony wasn't around much longer, so they're both having. They were both in a relationship. Yeah, cleopatra, gustus could have been right after that, okay, okay, or Gus is turned into what I don't know. They all changed their names when they became emperor.
Speaker 2:I know that's what Either way.
Speaker 1:We all know Augustus. We covered him in the episode. We covered him in the Roman Empire.
Speaker 2:We did, we did so. His son was born 42 BCE. I thought that was pretty cool. And then Cala Kaua, the last king and second to last monarch of Hawaii, was born in 1874. Oh, that's dope, yeah what did.
Speaker 1:I did anything, I don't know.
Speaker 2:What I wanted to say was I had no idea that there were monarchies in Hawaii. I didn't I. That was something that I just had never even thought about. But apparently, yeah, they had, kings, they had.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say yeah, yeah, definitely monarchies beforehand.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the white guy like kings in fucking 1874 to 1891, which he was the second to last monarch, so I'm assuming there was a queen after him. But he, like that's Relatively over the course of what we talk about on this podcast. That's pretty recent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say when did America?
Speaker 2:induct Hawaii.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know producer.
Speaker 2:Can you look that up for us in America? Producer. Hawaii in In 1898, oh see, and it must have been. That was the monarch. So he died in 91. Wow, yeah. And then, I guess, the queen took over and only lasted a few years.
Speaker 1:Geez interesting apparently resulted from economic integration and the rise of the United States as a Pacific power.
Speaker 2:Mmm Pacific power.
Speaker 1:I like to call that Pee Pee yeah we are now a pee pee, all right, so that's, that's how we.
Speaker 2:Stop it. So that's how we start these episodes, right? We talk about.
Speaker 1:Well, wait, what happened on the day that the episodes can be released? I didn't come up with that one. Do you have one? I'll find one, cuz I mean what happens? What happened, oh?
Speaker 2:Yeah, both of all of mine were in reference to Today usually there's this.
Speaker 1:This history page, usually, is supposed to allow me to go into a specific date. Here we go, the 17th, but wait, okay, the recent history. In 2003, on the day this episode is relief, aren't Arnold Schwarzenegger is inaugurated as governor of California. Nice, I'll be back, I'll be back get through the chopper. I love it. Oh, and then a diocletian was acclaimed Roman Empire by soldiers in 284.
Speaker 2:He is deocletian deocletian, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, boom. I always, I always like hearing those facts, because it's like it just makes you think, it's like ah, it's just a day like today. It's a day like today. Like today, this crazy fucking thing happened.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that's how we start these episodes now, ian, you have some interesting topics. Do you want to? Do you want to start us off with something good, or do you want me to go first? Um, I can start us off.
Speaker 2:But then you got to go twice in a row because I got a real kicker.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say so let let's go ahead, and let me start with Something okay, okay, I know you got a kicker. You haven't told me the details.
Speaker 2:I haven't told you shit, bro. I'm excited, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1:So we're gonna start out, you know what? Because we talk quite a bit, especially in the last episode, about Wars war. So I found this article that was recently released, on the 6th of this month, about when did humans start Waging war, which is second they were born, the second they were born. Now, of course, it talks about that people have been fighting forever and people have been killing people for like organized war, organized what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, yeah, and so you know. Archaeology, archaeological evidence suggests that Neolithic warfare progressed from small-scale clashes and massacres to longer and more sophisticated conflicts About like 10,000 years ago now. What they describe, how they describe it prior to that, is like chimpanzees fighting each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I mean, it was basically. That's basically what it was. Yes, was barely evolved humans. Yeah right, throwing stones at each other, stabbing each other the faces with spears and shit, with.
Speaker 1:the biggest contributing factor of this is agriculture when people started becoming settled into their own areas, they're defending their lands now. Because they're no longer being nomadic people. They're starting to build communities and villages. And so around 12,000 years ago, when farming started, fights seemed to become bigger and more organized. Now evidence shows that some fights got super serious, like a specific massacre in Kenya where people were tied up and killed. They have the bone evidence and how the burial, like the bones are still tied.
Speaker 2:I guess they didn't move them after they were dead, probably, and they have cracks in the skull being beaten with their blood into death.
Speaker 1:Dying 12,000 years ago has got to be rough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially because it's so fucking easy to do that. You get a cut on your finger, it gets infected. Surprise, you're dead, you're dead. They did have better immune systems.
Speaker 1:And also when it's night. It's really fucking night.
Speaker 2:You gotta think about the starlight and moonlight and stuff like that. It was a lot more clear back then. And there are a lot of places where in the world where there's not a lot of air pollution and you go to them at night, it is actually very well lit. Not well lit, it's dimly lit but it's good enough that you can see. But I will say, on a cloudy night, you're fucked.
Speaker 1:That is true. Now, as time kept going through, there's obviously these little pockets of massacres. There's quite a bit that happened in Austria and fucking Germany Quite a bit of.
Speaker 2:War started in Germany.
Speaker 1:No, so as time passed, they got even more complex. About 5,000 years ago, a group in Spain had a conflict that had, I guess the archaeologists were able to determine that these battles started lasting 8 to 20 days, and it was more of a siege and coming in and it wasn't massacring hundreds of people, it was like 20 to 40 people.
Speaker 2:Well, there weren't even communities of hundreds of people that much no, or at least communities of hundreds of warriors.
Speaker 1:Well, there were 5,000 years ago there were oh 5,000.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I thought we were still talking about 10,000. Oh yeah, no, no, no, I mean it's 5,000 because we went like 12,000 to 5,000. Is when we start seeing more long-gated battles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and so that's when People got smarter and then people got meaner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because these little communities in Austria and Germany and stuff started popping up walls and then you see it throughout Asia and everything around these communities and they fought over resources and probably had just regular disagreements and it, like most likely never, was just a quick battle. It was a siege now, but it was not nearly as organized, but it started becoming more. And we talked about in the Battle of Agencourt is how the evolution of warfare has been like, especially in proper war and battles, how it was so proper. Yeah, it was very formal, formal, exactly, and now it's just guerrilla. Well, there's guerrilla warfare, then there's. I mean, basically that's all it is nowadays.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nowadays it is definitely just guerrilla warfare, even in, like, when there's tribal battles and stuff like that over in Africa or wherever there might be a tribe, it's very much so still guerrilla warfare there's not a lot of honor in war anymore. No, no. In fact, I would say that there's no honor in war anymore. Not with what we're fucking seeing Now piss us off enough, We'll drop a nuke on you Like it's.
Speaker 1:Did you know? Right now there are 32 countries in active warfare. That's crazy, 32 countries. Now, as farming got better, so did the fighting, because more food, you can have more energy. And then, with better tools and organized groups, wars became larger. Places like Mesopotamia and Egypt had big armies with leaders and plans for battle. People even made drawings of you know. They started just becoming more elaborate and so humans probably just started fighting in bigger and more organized ways during the time when farming became more common and which led to more complex. War is driven by food, sir. Yeah, it is just a natural resource.
Speaker 2:We've always been fighting for fucking resources, dude when you're going back to that stat that you just said. I got a little quiet there because I want to look something up. 16% of the world, that is oh 32 countries yeah 16.4% of the world.
Speaker 1:Sir, we are on the cusp of World War III. Oh, easily. I mean, we just had the Chinese president Xi. He just came over, he was in California, met with the California governor and then fucking Biden just saw him and then by them just called him a dictator again as he left.
Speaker 2:Ah, classic dictators. We don't need to get any current. I know what's happening right now, though that's about to happen, man, this is an escape for people, Cooper. It's an escape for people we don't need to talk about world politics. All right, so fighting's been going on forever.
Speaker 1:We're definitely going to keep fighting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's never going to stop, and the weapons that we use nowadays are just getting so much worse.
Speaker 1:So what did Albert Einstein say? I don't know what the next war will be fought with, but the one after that will be fought with sticks and stones. Yeah, I mean fuck dude, he's not wrong.
Speaker 2:He's not wrong, okay.
Speaker 1:Is that when war started? That's yep, that's war 10,000 years ago.
Speaker 2:I'm not surprised that it was so long ago, because I figured that it would have started a lot earlier, but people have been killing each other since the start.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But organized warfare still 10,000 years. That's a long fucking time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're classifying like massacres in there as well.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, yeah, yeah that makes sense On the other side of things. Let's talk about the climate. Love that.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I regret a Thunberg hit me.
Speaker 2:So I think this is kind of cool and also super fucking scary, which is why I want to talk about it. Okay, Climate engineering could slow Antarctic ice loss. Right? It's not a new theory. It's an old theory, been around for a long time, but they're starting to try it.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Climate engineering. So Indiana University is currently doing the study. Right, they want to scatter sunlight reflecting particles into the atmosphere, which is, you know, like a theoretical form of climate engineering, notice, like stratospheric aerosol injection, and they think that that can slow the ice melts in Western Antarctica, right, really, yeah, so it's kind of mimics, like what happens when a large volcano spews vast amounts of particles into the upper atmosphere and causes a cooling effect that can last months to years, right? So they're trying to use that same theory and injecting it into you know, hopefully what would be harmless particles going into the sky to reflect the sunlight away from us.
Speaker 1:Oh, so this is like preventative of like a future solar flare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's literally. Well, it's to say, the ice caps is their main goal. I'm sure that they could concentrate it if they needed to Like, if the science got far enough, they could probably concentrate it and actually help stop the effects of a solar flare. But it's not there yet. We're just talking about actual global warming.
Speaker 1:So what we're going to do is we're going to shoot these little particles up in the air and they're going to bounce UV rays back at the sun or just away from Earth, away from.
Speaker 2:Earth. Yeah, so it's basically like a shield going up around us, which is scary yeah. Because think about that. There's just that that's, in introducing a particle into the air, you have to be so fucking careful of what particle you're using and you have to do so much research into the long term effects of that, and they're not even thinking that they could even start trying to do it until 2035. Like and if not a decade more.
Speaker 1:Oh think about the mice that are dying because they're testing this. Oh God, yeah.
Speaker 2:For the love of God. So it was actually recently discussed in a White House report. So this is really very legit. Yeah it out. It outlined like a potential research program on stratospheric aerosol injection, and then something else. I believe it was called cloud lightning, marine cloud lightning.
Speaker 1:Marine cloud. What so you like?
Speaker 2:not lightning like snap, it's lightning like the lightning, the color. So it's reflects the sunlight.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh yeah, so they're thinking about throwing clouds, nemo dude, I don't know, and that's what's so fucking scary about it.
Speaker 2:To be fair, the scientists that are working on this stuff are being super, super careful, like they very much so understand the risks and they're taking it very, very slow. But with the current climate situation and how we're approaching these certain deadlines where we're supposed to get the, you know the, the, the, basically get shit under control a little bit as far as what are they called? When, like cars emissions, like getting I mean, I was like yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:I was procrastinating on saying the word because I couldn't remember it, but like if we don't get all of that shit under control within the next decade, we cross a certain threshold and shit starts to get bad. And so it's very likely that we're not going to do that. Right it's. It's become so likely that we're not going to do that that we're looking at throwing fucking particles into the goddamn atmosphere. What are these particles made of? I couldn't find that out.
Speaker 1:And I tried.
Speaker 2:I tried which scares me more because, it's like they're not even putting that in the which, to be fair, they're probably just protecting their research so that somebody else doesn't do it, and they want to be the ones to probably need help.
Speaker 1:The earth is big.
Speaker 2:I mean it's Indiana University, cooper. They're pretty renowned. Hey if Indiana comes around and saves the whole goddamn planet. I'm there for it.
Speaker 1:Team Indiana. All the way, bro Brothers, I always forget Indiana is a state. I always think it's a city.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry to all my Indiana people, but I think it's a part of Louisiana. Don't be sorry, I don't know. I don't even know where exactly.
Speaker 1:It is Somewhere in the south, I think it's like I don't even know Like it's. It's somewhere in the Midwest it is. You could circle the whole Midwest and it's it's somewhere in there.
Speaker 2:No shit. I think, Dude we are from the Midwest, I don't hold on.
Speaker 1:Look up a fucking picture of where Indiana is US state. I could have sworn it was southern like near Louisiana. Oh, it's next to Illinois, so it's actually more the East Coast yeah. Ok, it's kind of right. Let's got any inapolis in it right next to I knew that useless Ohio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, classic Ohio, classic Ohio. We're just dissing on every single state right now.
Speaker 1:We don't like is the fact that, like Indiana, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, they call themselves Midwest Very much a Midwest.
Speaker 2:They're not the Midwest, the Middle East, but we can't take that turn.
Speaker 1:They are the Middle East because they're still east of the Mississippi. We can't say that, though, yes, we can.
Speaker 2:We don't have a Middle East in the United States, Cooper. We do no, but what do you ever refer to it? It's the middle of the East side of the country. It is.
Speaker 1:No one has ever referred to it as the Middle East. You're the Middle East.
Speaker 2:Canceled, canceled, so yeah we're a long way from this. The projections kind of look at implementation around 2035, maybe a decade further than that, and they still don't know. What's kind of crazy about this is. They still don't know if it's enough like to combat the effects of humanity on the atmosphere and climate. But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:A bunch of fucking particles up in the air.
Speaker 2:To be fair in theory, it totally would work If they use the right substance and it does reflect the light. Scientifically it's going to work. Yeah, that's just the facts. Now what happens when these particles fall back to earth? Where do they land? What do?
Speaker 1:they do, kind of what I'm thinking too. That's the thing, and it's like are we going to have like a radioactive like cloud that's just going around right Acid rain at us?
Speaker 2:Right, I mean, but it's either that. So think about this, though Ten of the hottest years on record ever occurred over the last 14 years. That's including 2023, which is on track to take 2016 spot as the hottest year ever recorded ever.
Speaker 1:Oh shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's like do you die by radiation? Do you die by solar power?
Speaker 1:Do you die by America's processed food?
Speaker 2:Dude smoking cancer COVID. I mean, there's all sorts of different things you can die from in this world and you know, I would rather it be airborne particles of us at least trying, than us just all melt.
Speaker 1:No, because you know how much worse of a death that probably is than melting. I think I might rather melt, dude, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't. Hopefully it's quicker. Whichever one's quicker, I'm going to take that one. I think it's going to be melting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're going to just suffer with that.
Speaker 2:It's either you melt or you're going to get the black lung.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because it would be. It would be a slow, it wouldn't be immediate, right, it's a gradual process.
Speaker 1:Yeah, black lung. Yeah, oh, no, tiny Tim, no, it's a Zoolander.
Speaker 2:So that's yes, I know it was Zoolander but also tiny Tim because you said pa. But yeah, so that's mine. On the particles, that was my science one which I think is very fucking interesting because you got to think about it. If they do implement this, that can have catastrophic effects for the entire globe. So what country is going to do it? Like, who's going to do that? Because you have to. You're affecting everybody.
Speaker 1:By doing it, I was going to say it's up in the air, it goes where the wind goes.
Speaker 2:That's a NATO decision, or like a, like a I don't even know, because there's so many other parts of the world that aren't even a part of it. Like it's just crazy and like so you got to think about it.
Speaker 1:Because what if all the particles come down and they just land in the, like the ocean and like that, the Nemo spot where all the asteroids, or asteroids, the satellites, crash into? You know it's, it's the most remote part of the ocean, where it's farther, it's the farthest point away from any point of land. Yeah, when they crash land all the satellites.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know that was a thing that's crazy In the middle of the ocean, no shit. So I could sail a boat to a point in the ocean and find some fucking satellites if I scuba dive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got to dive deep, deep. Ok, maybe, maybe a submarine yeah we don't want to be Ocean Gate, we don't want to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it'd have to be, I would use more than an Xbox controller to control it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't want to just lose trust enough. I'll go out there and I'll watch it come down. How about?
Speaker 2:that Even better. With our luck, though, it would hit us Fuck. Wouldn't that suck. I don't know what a way to go. What a way If I had to pick solar radiation, radiation from particles in the atmosphere or a satellite falling on my head, I know which one I'd choose. Yeah, I'll take the satellite All day, all day. Fun little sidebar here, actually. While I was looking through for articles, I found this little article speaking of space junk. There's a toolbox floating through space. Now why? Because the astronauts lost a toolbox while they were doing a spacewalk, while they were trying to make some repairs, so they lost a little toolbox.
Speaker 2:So there's just a little toolbox floating around up there Float Slowly making its way back to Earth, and then it's going to crash and disintegrate. Yeah, it'll totally disintegrate, oh yeah immediately, like as soon as it hits the atmosphere.
Speaker 1:Within 10 seconds it'll be gone, oh yeah, but it's just cute little flares, it's just floating up there right now Fun facts. Yeah, I thought that was cute Little less it know it has a fiery death. Yeah, yeah, don't we all? Don't we all the toaster that could, the little toaster movie, that's what it reminds me of, except it's going to die toolbox, flying hundreds of miles an hour.
Speaker 2:So what's your? What's your second article there, cooper? What are we?
Speaker 1:getting into. Well, you know that. Well, obviously you know. But I think the fans know also that we like video games.
Speaker 2:So we fucking love video games.
Speaker 1:We've talked about a couple of them We've talked about a couple of.
Speaker 2:We talked about one in particular.
Speaker 1:pretty often, I think, pretty often and this article that I found on the smith's smith's the Smith's Moe and Moe and the Smith's Moe and. Sony and magazine Dot com, the medieval sect that inspired the video game Assassins Creed. Are you, are you excited, dude? I'm so excited.
Speaker 2:OK, that was my speechless moment, because I've always wondered this and I always have my ideas right. It's the Illuminati, it's. It's the Templars, it's the, it's the fucking that, one of the one, the Masons, shit like that Right.
Speaker 1:Who is it? It's not, it's not. It's based off of the group called the Nizaris.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know what I've heard, the name.
Speaker 1:Are you? I believe it's called the Nizaris.
Speaker 2:I've heard the name. I'm not too familiar with what they did.
Speaker 1:So the, the, the history about them is pretty like they don't really know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah, it's a secret society An ancient secret society. So if you're trying to hide your shit back, then no way we know now.
Speaker 1:So they were part of a larger Muslim community in like way back when early days and they did things like political assassinations and they were killing like political, like kings and queens and fucking emperors.
Speaker 2:So, for context, are we, are we basing them off of the Assassin's Guild or off of the Templars Templars in Assassin's Creed.
Speaker 1:Anybody who doesn't know the game will care, but I'm going to say the fucking.
Speaker 2:I mean, they sound like bad guys.
Speaker 1:The Templar? No, I don't know the temp, maybe the Templars.
Speaker 2:Maybe they could also be the Assassin's Guild, because if they're doing political assassinations also at the same time, like, like they just don't know. They just don't know.
Speaker 1:And they also say, like Assassin's Creed has taken a lot of creative liberties, of course, of course, naturally Of this.
Speaker 2:So they could have just put a twist on them and made them kind of quote unquote, the protagonist of the series.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. Absolutely. And so the where is it? Because Marco Polo is kind of no shit With this, so it's because of his travels when he was on the Silk Road, and Dude.
Speaker 2:What happens on the Silk Road stays on the Silk Road.
Speaker 1:Except for my spices. You would buy my spices now, and my silk blankets.
Speaker 2:The account of the assassins provided by Marco.
Speaker 1:Polo upon his return to Venice in 1295, fascinated European orientals and contributed to fanciful tales. However, medieval Muslim writings held a hostile view of the Nazaris, considering them a schismatic and problematic group within the Muslim community and the group within the Muslim community.
Speaker 2:So they're controversial. It's totally based off the assassins. It's totally the assassins. It's not the Templars Okay, it's gotta be the assassins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, then that makes sense. Yeah, very controversial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very controversial.
Speaker 1:Now this article is great. It goes into like so much detail that I didn't like I was like I need anything.
Speaker 2:We need to do a whole episode on them. Honestly, that's kinda cool.
Speaker 1:This is cool. There's a lot of names that I couldn't pronounce. Naturally so we're good at that. Yeah, very good, very good. But I feel like to the point of just being offensive if I tried.
Speaker 2:We can go with just first names or nicknames even.
Speaker 1:Man, they're difficult yeah.
Speaker 2:They're so what they do. They did political assassinations.
Speaker 1:Well, so the history of the Nazaris begins with the Islamis. It's a Shiite group tracing its origins to the Ismal Ibn Jafar, so it's a Muslim sect. I think you nailed it, thank you. Now missionaries spread their faith across the Islamic world.
Speaker 2:The missionary spread if you know what I'm saying Islamic missionaries. Sorry sorry God, it's just the way you said it, I could have known myself.
Speaker 1:Now they've spread their faith across the Islamic world, leading to the establishment of the Fitimid Caliphate in 909. Okay, despite the Fatimid expansion, conflicts and disputes arose within the Muslim world, ultimately resulting in a split within the Islamic community.
Speaker 2:That's the schism factor when it comes to like what people were talking about, the Muslim community was talking about with them, which you said.
Speaker 1:Yes, they were schismatic. Now the emergence of Hassan Sabah. I'm not quite sure who he was, who is, what he did. Was he converted to Islam and then played a pivotal role in the formation of the Nazari state? Okay, oh, there was like a state. Yeah Well, I mean, I really don't know. I don't know enough about the Muslim culture.
Speaker 2:That's totally fair.
Speaker 1:So he ended up seizing this castle. Okay, and it was a big deal. It was like a really big deal and everybody really liked this castle and it marked the foundation of the Nazari in Persia.
Speaker 2:I mean, I like castles. I get that, I get that.
Speaker 1:I feel that I'm relating. So Hassan and his successors initiated armed revolts against the Sunni I can't even say some of these names because the Sunni rulers employing tactics such as small scale attacks, castle captures and political motivated assassinations. All right. Now this article discusses the split within the Islamic community following the succession crisis between the Nazar and the Mastali I think that's what their name is. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I think you're doing splendid and I think you've apologized enough that no one's going to be offended.
Speaker 1:So it basically like this castle started their own kingdom in Persia. Right, they get sick. That's kind of fucking sick. So one castle and they're like now we are kings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we founded a castle. Would we not be kings? Let's be honest, we would.
Speaker 1:So they became specifically famous for their political assassinations, like that was just their go to. They were the hit man of the fucking 1000s. All right, this made people from other places, like all over Europe, tell stupid wild stories about them, basically exacerbating their stories and just like all of a sudden became like the myth. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you ever played the game telephone where you whisper into I'm not, I'm explaining it for them.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, yeah, but yeah, it's like you whisper, that is true you start with a sentence and then you whisper that sentence into your homie's ear and then he looks at his homie next on the other side of them and whispers this tries to whisper the same sentence and you do that through 20 people and by the end of it it's a completely different fucking sentence. Yes, that's essentially what happens with myths and legends and things like that. Things get exaggerated over time Through the grapevine. Through the grapevine.
Speaker 1:Now people have totally different opinions about them, either like something that they were early terrorists, and others kind of think of them as a more positive culture of like they were taking out dictators and horrible oppressors of people things like that. So overall, the Nazarets were a group of people from the 1000s early 1000s.
Speaker 2:Gotta keep it at 1000s.
Speaker 1:And, honestly, it's just still debated to this day. But it's kind of cool that, like it was this potential group of people who never even wrote down their own history and we're just rumored about. They were talked about people in the shadows.
Speaker 2:Well, it's literally the assassins.
Speaker 1:It's literally. That's great.
Speaker 2:Which is fucking which is so sick to me. Yeah, I hope they're still around. I hope they are because they're probably doing good.
Speaker 1:There's a sect in the muzzle, or in the muzzle in the Mormon community. When Joseph Smith okay.
Speaker 2:Well, if they became Mormons, I don't know how I feel anymore.
Speaker 1:They did the same thing. They were like the Mormon assassins. They know shit. Yeah, Mormons had assassins. Mormons had assassins brother Wild West was crazy, did I fucking?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just. I just grew to like Mormons so much more bro.
Speaker 1:Joseph Smith I mean I like bring him young is the asshole. Joseph Smith was the crazy motherfucker that yeah, his ass off, yeah, and all the shit, and then he had a sect of fucking assassins. Basically, it's yeah, fucking crazy.
Speaker 2:That is wild, so it's cool like that.
Speaker 1:They, yeah, I don't know. I just kind of found it fascinating and I will be finding some more in-depth information about the Nazarees.
Speaker 2:If we can find enough information, we should totally do an episode on them, because that sounds super fun and I will be sure to get pronunciations better. We just they're not even gonna know that two of us were doing. That Sounded like one person, all right. No, that's interesting. You have, I got a banger you got a banger, I got a banger, and it's not gonna sound like a banger at first, but just wait.
Speaker 1:I want to hear this banger dog.
Speaker 2:So I explain this to Cooper very briefly and I didn't tell him much about it, but all I said was I found out about this one thing and it led me down a very awesome, fun rabbit hole. So there's a lot about this that I had to dig into. That's why I haven't cited my sources on either one of these, because there's so many. I went across a bunch of different articles and just found a bunch of cool shit. Yeah, so this one it's the title of the main article that brought me down this rabbit hole was elusive egg laying mammal caught on camera for the first time in 60 years. Okay, so I thought that was cool. I was like, okay, interesting right one fast chicken.
Speaker 2:It's an egg laying mammal, cooper. Chickens are not mammals, it's, those are birds.
Speaker 1:One fast tube cover us, that's. That is a mammal.
Speaker 2:That is a mammal? I think no. So there's only five types of mammal lay or of egg laying mammals in the world, right Okay?
Speaker 1:there's only five of them, ostriches.
Speaker 2:Well, do not lay eggs snakes.
Speaker 1:Sasquatch, you're looking for platypus.
Speaker 2:That is what you're looking for. No, so Attenborough's long beak echidna or echidna right is is how it's pronounced. I looked up the pronunciation of what a kid. Now it's Attenborough's long beaked echidna right. It's they. Basically that's the name of the animal that was picked.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, mm-hmm Is that a platypus?
Speaker 2:No, it's an echidna. It's in the same family. So the mammalian Family tree split off, I believe 200 million years ago, into two different sex egg laying mammals and Live birth giving mammals. And there's only five egg laying mammals left. Oh, and the platypus is one of them, and then the echidnas are one of them. Okay now, this is the first time that we're seeing these animals in 60 years. We kind of thought that they were extinct. We were. They was on the verge of us thinking that they were gone, mm-hmm. So this major expedition went into the Cyclops Mountains in Indonesia right now. This sounds boring at first, but bear with me. Now. This is only one of five egg laying mammals. Like I said, they live in burrows, they eat insects and worms, and termites are critically endangered. Basically, it's an animal with the spine of a hedgehog, the snout of an anteater in the feet of a mole right.
Speaker 2:So yeah it's a, it's a smorgasbord of an animal. So they this is where it kind of got cool and where I started going down rabbit holes, uh-huh. They hold a cultural significance for the people of Yongsu Superior, who have lived in those mountains the Cyclops Mountains in Indonesia for about 18 Generations. Right, and the cultural significance of them is, rather than fighting during conflicts, the tradition is for one party to go into the mountains to find the echidna, while the other goes to the ocean to find a Marlin. Now, both of these were so difficult to find that it could take decades, to even entire Generations, what to locate one of these, and whoever?
Speaker 2:whoever won won the conflict. Whoever found it first won the conflict. So one would go to the ocean and try to locate a Marlin, a deep-sea fish. Oh, they were not advanced enough to go into the deep sea. No, so they have to find a Marlin, or they have to find an echidna. Now, these are all so rare it could take literally a fucking generation to find one. And then finding one ends the conflict. So I thought that was pretty cool. But this fucking expedition, bro. When I say this expedition was cursed, okay, this was a cursed expedition. First of all, they're traveling through a very beautiful but super volatile landscape. Okay, very dangerous. There's all sorts of shit poisonous spiders, poisonous snakes, leopards there's that. I don't know if leopards are there.
Speaker 1:I just made that up but there are poison there, fucking there.
Speaker 2:It's, it's fucking crazy, right. And then they're there for four weeks they didn't spot shit. Okay, then spot anything. They were like whatever. They found a few things here and there, but nothing crazy. They set up like 80 trail cams but then they were forced to evacuate due to a sudden earthquake. So there was an earthquake and they got a go. They're like, oh shit, you know, I'm in fucking the middle of nowhere, like yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. So one team member ended up breaking his arm in two places. Ouch, yeah, not fun in the middle of nowhere with poisonous spiders everywhere. What do I think he tripped? I think it was literally as easy as you imagine. Falling no, like just tripping.
Speaker 1:No, but it'd be so easy because there's like so much in every way assuming and probably like a 20, 30 year old adult.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on this mission and broke his arm in two places. Man, jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Yeah, push ups bro, you fucking loser.
Speaker 2:And they also did have guides from the local people, right, so they actually have these local guides. This is fun fact. This is the first expedition ever to go into these mountains to actually deal with, like reptilian life, amphibians, and do just a bunch of research onto all these new animals that we haven't really documented much. Yeah, so we were finally able to get in there and do that. So, anyway, one team member broke his arm in two places. One fucking contracted malaria, jesus Christ, mm-hmm. And then the kicker one actually had a leech attached to his left eye for over a day and a half.
Speaker 1:Holy fuck, is this like the dill tough passes. Incident light.
Speaker 2:Possibly, man, holy shit. So cursed expedition. But on the last fucking day, man, on the very last day of the expedition. They've been four weeks out there not finding shit. They have 80 trail cams set up. They could only get a few of them back, but it's the. They got all the recordings. Yeah, it's digital and it's transferred. You know right. But, uh, 80 cameras on the last day. They spot this a kind of or how is it said? It's the a kid now.
Speaker 1:I think it is. Yeah, it's like it almost looks like a porcupine, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's got the scales of the hedgehog and the hands are the feet of the mole and then the snout of an anteater. Honestly, but yeah, so on the last day they finally see this thing. But not only did they find the echidna, which is huge, because 60 years Going 60 years without being photographed is crazy. That isn't saying it's like an ocean animal. Yeah, they didn't just find that, though. They also found whip scorpions.
Speaker 1:What the fuck is a whip scorpion?
Speaker 2:It's not a scorpion. I thought these were kind of interesting. They're basically mock scorpions, but they have huge fucking. Look up a picture of them. They're scary, they're scary.
Speaker 1:Right here, okay, whip scorpion, but they're not boys. No, oh god, no, they have really long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, they found a single one of those. No trip, I'm good, it's terrifying. They're not poisonous to humans, they're harmless to humans. Fun fact when they mate they actually lock their mandibles together so that the female can't eat the man after they're done mating. So it's like a praying mantis, but the man's developed a defense mechanism Nature and then.
Speaker 2:And then here's the cool part, man, they discovered forest shrimp, ground and tree dwelling shrimp, what it's so humid there and rainfall so much that there are forest shrimp. Now, these are an adaptation of a type of shrimp that is able to come out of the water from from the ocean. Okay, so it basically like on the beaches and stuff like that. They have shrimp that are able to crawl out onto the plants and stuff like that and kind of survive a little bit above the water. Yeah, they got to go back in the water. Well, these don't do that. They live in the trees and there. And now, keep in mind this article was posted yesterday, I so. So they just found these. I don't know if this is a previous discovery that they've known about, cause there's this thing.
Speaker 2:I'm looking up for a shrimp and it's just showing me Bubba Gum, shrimp yeah yeah, it's very, very recent, and so, essentially, they live in the trees, they live in the ground, and then, of course, the ground is very, very moist because they get a ton of rainfall, so there's just enough humidity in the air for these things to survive outside of water. They live on land 24 seven, which is crazy, and they're fucking shrimp. So that's wild. Yeah, yeah, it's just absolutely crazy. And then, to kick it off, they found now I know that there's these in caves. We already knew about them in caves, but they found blind spiders.
Speaker 1:Ah yeah, I've heard of blind spiders.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now these ones, I believe, did have eyes, but the ones in caves actually don't have eyes.
Speaker 1:You don't need them.
Speaker 2:You don't need them. But yeah, so they found blind spiders, they found this echidna, which is crazy. They found whip scorpions, which is kind of a cool find, and then they found these fucking forest shrimp, which was briefly mentioned in the initial article, and this is where I say this rabbit hole happened. I saw that they briefly talked about the tribe that spent generations going out to find the echidna in a Marlin to talk about it.
Speaker 1:It's so funny that they went after a Marlin.
Speaker 2:Instead of war, instead.
Speaker 1:Of war, speaking of war, Instead of war, we would go on a scavenger hunt.
Speaker 2:Well, it was a spiritual thing for them. They're like whichever one of us can find this red herring, this white hair, the white rabbit, so to speak, first wins the argument, and what the shit. But what that did was it stopped them from fucking killing each other, and so they would go an entire generation being like.
Speaker 1:I don't really like these guys but that's as far as it went. Uncle is out there finding these and he's been out there for 40 years.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Like crazy shit, yeah. So I thought that was a very cool little tidbit Shout out to the echidna. That's tight, it's like we're gonna go around. It's not dead. We need to leave it the fuck alone. We need to never go back to that forest. We need to leave it alone and let it be, and let those peaceful people be and never touch it again.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I um forest fucking shrimp, Forest shrimp. I wonder if there's an industry for that. You know.
Speaker 2:Just don't think like that.
Speaker 1:That's the problem with humans. That's the problem with humans.
Speaker 2:All of a sudden, Long John Silver starts a new fucking dish item and it's called forest shrimp.
Speaker 1:It's a green box. What it's given to you.
Speaker 2:No, they have an actual name. I decided to nickname them forest shrimp and the article decided to nickname them. They just said ground dwelling and tree dwelling shrimp. Hmm, but it's. They didn't give me an actual name and when I tried to look it up, I couldn't find much about it. Okay, Because, keep in mind, this is very recent shit, Right? So I mean, obviously there's enough going on in the world right now that nobody's really gonna talk about it. I guess this is fair yeah. I still thought it was a pretty cool little discovery.
Speaker 1:I fucking love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, it's like you can spend all day talking about all the shitty stuff that's going on in the world and there's this little segment of the planet that's got tree shrimp and when you're sad, just think of the tree shrimp. You know, just think of the tree shrimp, just think of the tree shrimp. Think of the little tree shrimp when I'm stressed out, cause I have to make 250 sales calls in a day. I'm gonna think of the tree shrimp and I'm gonna be like be like the tree shrimp Hang out, that's fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so nice. Well, ladies and gentlemen, that's your temple of whiskey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, this was so fun and we should do it again. We should do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we should do. We should do we should do, we should do, yeah, yeah. And one other thing that I thought is just kind of interesting on what actually happens today, which is November 17th of when you're listening to this oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In 1973, Nixon insists that he is not a crook. I saw this.
Speaker 2:I didn't see that and, honestly, I thought that was the one that you were gonna pick, so I didn't pick it for mine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is. That is. Oh my God, what 2003. Oh no, on November 17th, washington DC, sniper John Muhammad is convicted. Wow, Muhammad and I were in DC when they were active.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm in the sun, yeah, what? And you guys were looking out for vans, right?
Speaker 1:Vans and we had to walk like zigzag on the sidewalks.
Speaker 2:That's crazy. I was only like five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow. So to everyone who's listening, look up the DC sniper. He was wild, he was crazy.
Speaker 2:Was he doing the he would like? Did he have like the little hole in his van?
Speaker 1:No, it was just a regular car and it was out of the back of the trunk.
Speaker 2:With a license plate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something like that, or it was out of the tail light or something, and he would just fucking shoot people. That's so crazy. Randomly, holy shit. And no one knew where he was at and people just thought he's in a tree or he's just running around.
Speaker 2:It's so scary to me that people like anybody has that power to do that. It just takes the one insane bastard to actually go out and do it Right. Think of the tree shrimp, Think of the tree shrimp Think of the tree shrimp.
Speaker 2:Think of the tree shrimp. Oh, ian, do you have anything to say to the kids? Hey, if you made it this far, especially in this episode cause you know we don't really didn't really have a planned intro or anything like that we do appreciate you guys. Seriously, we have a lot of fun doing this. Cooper works very hard. Cooper needed a break and I was very I just didn't have the time.
Speaker 2:I was very, very excited to do this episode because this is I just enjoy this kind of shit. So so, if you made it this far, fuck, yeah, you're a rock star, you're a goddamn champion. And I appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Stay beautiful bitches, cause we fucking love you, we fucking love you, we fucking love you. Go to共语笑景点点干am.
