Drinking Our Way Through History
Step into a time-traveling adventure with Drinking Our Way Through History, where Cooper and Ian uncork the fascinating secrets of the past. Embark on an enlightening and uproarious podcast experience as they uncover legendary figures, awe-inspiring sites, captivating spectacles, and remarkable events, all with a quirky blend of humor, intrigue, and heartwarming tales. Sip along as we immerse ourselves in history's intoxicating depths, turning moments of the past into unforgettable memories. Cheers to an epic journey!
Drinking Our Way Through History
Thimble of Whiskey - Merging Galaxies, an Otter Thief and Napoleon
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Speaker 2:And let me just shake my chair as much as physically possible, please do.
Speaker 1:I love the shaking chair effect while editing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard it's good for editing when you hear a creak in the background.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just like the kind of the best thing. It really makes the audience feel like they're part of the show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just about creating the ambience. Yeah, totally would agree. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Drinking Our Way Through History. Thimble of whiskey, Thimble Now.
Speaker 2:Ian's got a little cold. Yeah, I'm feeling a little under the weather.
Speaker 1:So we're going to try and get these sweet golden words out of you.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, I mean I sound as smooth, but I do still sound frosty. Get it, cause it's cold. Wow, yeah, All right.
Speaker 1:So what happened today in history? I should have probably looked this up. What happened today in history? So let's go. Because we're recording the episode on Tuesday, because we're doing another Thimble of whiskey this week, because we are both going to be out of town, we have some family matters and just aren't able to give you the same quality in a full written episode.
Speaker 2:No, this is the same quality, cooper. This is the same quality this is. I put research into these ones, I put effort into my part.
Speaker 1:You know, okay, cooper's part might just suck, but no, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, we're here to have fun though. All right. So what happened today? Why don't you tell us? In history on November 28th of 1520, spanish explorer Ferdinand Magellan has discovered a straight at the tip of South America that enters the Pacific. Wow, and then they colonized everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's usually the next step.
Speaker 1:They colonized everything. Now what happens today? This episode is coming out. What happens on the day that this episode comes out, on December 1st in 1135, henry the first of England dies and the crown is passed to his nephew, stephen of Bloisey.
Speaker 2:Bloisey, I guess.
Speaker 1:Bloisey, yes, yes. And then, about 500 years later, in 1581, edmund Champion and other Jesuit martyrs are hanged at Tyburn, england, for sedition after being tortured. Wow, I don't know who Edmund Champion is. He must have done something against the Protestant faith or something like that, or kind of like faith.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that sounds accurate. That sounds pretty good. All right, so now we know, caught up, cool.
Speaker 1:So that's what happens.
Speaker 2:That's what happens Back in those days, crazy, crazy, crazy Back in these days, even these days, because it is these days.
Speaker 1:These days is the realest, wow.
Speaker 2:That was really solid. You're so welcome for that. Yeah, that was really really good. I have something that I've been wanting to talk to you about. What do you got? Well, Cooper, there's an otter turned out law that continues to evade wildlife officials in Santa Cruz. What?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, this little, this little, this little otter, start now cute. This is a lot. Start now cute. I love this, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:This little otterette Okay, a female otter. Well, she's on the run from local federal authorities wanted for aggressively confronting locals and stealing surfboards at a popular beach. This is an otter, yeah, just a little otter. She's a five year old female otter. Get this. She was born in an aquarium, uh-huh. And then they raised her. And they raised her with, like, they were wearing basically skin suit or like the the you know the diver suits and stuff, yeah, and then mass on their face the whole time. And then they like had a had a mom otter in there with her and that's how they raised her, so she had limited contact to humans. And then they sent her back out in 2020, where she was fine up until like a couple, like a year ago about, and she's still at large.
Speaker 1:And she's just stealing surfboards and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Her nickname is otter eight 41, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Uh, she got she's like a damn test subject.
Speaker 2:I know Otter eight, eight, 41, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1:Wait is it 41, like the zip, the area code.
Speaker 2:No. Otter eight 41. I think it's because she was just sent back out into the wild. They probably just designated her otter eight 41.
Speaker 1:I know what I mean.
Speaker 2:She's probably tagged or something. Yeah, but they but they've been trying to get her. They still can't get her. Um, now she is a mother, so she's had her own little otters and she's a little delinquent and it's great and cute and I love that. And now authorities are resorting to try and baiting her with a surfboard to try and get her, which I thought was a really really funny. Take that All right.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Five year old female otter just tearing up shit and Santa Cruz. It makes me pretty happy.
Speaker 1:I don't know about you. I'm happy I'm team otter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm team otter, you know it turns out, there's a lot of people that are. They've even been petitions, one of which has gotten over 50,000 signatures, which is pretty crazy this thousand. Yeah, just to leave her be, just to let her, let her be out there alone, even though, cause she like comes up to humans and stuff like that, but like, what's an otter really going to do to you? Hold your hand, yeah, maybe. Right, it'd be cute, isn't that what they do?
Speaker 1:They lay on their backs in the water and they float in the holder hands so they don't float apart.
Speaker 2:They do hold.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know about that part but I know that they lay on their backs. Yeah, yeah, that's what they do they lay on their backs and obeyed in the sun and they hold each other's hands so that they don't drift apart. It's very adorable. Wow, you've even seen those little videos. So lovely. I probably have. I probably see them.
Speaker 2:I'm a little foggy right now, doped up on mucinex. Doped up on mucinex. What have you probably seen them. Tell me something you've had on your mind lately the Roman Empire.
Speaker 1:Almost, almost. How about planet killer asteroids are hiding in the sun's glare and we're not sure if we can stop them in the future.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that sounds pleasant enough. It sounds really nice right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I figured space is relevant because we went to the space race and space is always going to be part of history. Man, it's always going to change things, and so here's the thing it's like right in the beginning with this is it kind of opens up and this is from live science and it talks about the 20. What was it? 20 2013, february 15 2013, a meteors meteor size a meteor the size of a semi truck trailer was shot down directly from the Sun and exploded in a fireball over the city of chelibutnisk, russia. So I don't know if you remember this, because this was on the news like video clippings of asteroids literally going through Russian buildings.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, that's crazy. I don't, I do not remember that.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, so when did this happen? In 2013, oh fuck, yeah. So it was crazy because there's like a countdown to this, like all the sun. We just saw it within days of like, oh shit, earth's gonna get hit with this comment, like it's legitimately, this isn't just gonna get burnt up so, like, have we seen?
Speaker 2:have we seen the, the comments that are in the glare of the sun? Or are we just guessing? I'm gonna get there, okay, yeah yeah, I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1:So this one like in particular, just kind of just example of like how crazy this is, is like they didn't know this was coming at them. The meteor exploded with 30 times more energy than the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima 30 times 30 times and exploded 14 miles above the ground. So the blast when it exploded shattered windows of more than 70,000 buildings this is just exploding up in the air and it had temporary blind, temporarily blinded people.
Speaker 1:It infected, inflicted instantaneous ultraviolet burns oh my god and injured, and when it actually came crashing down, it eventually injured more than 1600 people. No one died, but there was like video footage of this thing coming down and crashing through. That's crazy. How big was it? This was, uh, it was the site where to go um. It was the size of a semi truck trailer, oh fuck bro, yeah, that's crazy not that big it's not that big at all. It's not, it's so.
Speaker 2:It's scary, just a little chunk of space rock, just a little chunk.
Speaker 1:Oh my goodness and there's a big fucker one that's floating out there, but it's like in deep space, it's not well. It's the one that came from another galaxy and then shot past yeah that's, but that's a whole other thing that that didn't end up hitting us that would have ended earth, at least it missed. Yes, now the scariest part is no observatory on earth saw it coming, because it was coming in from the direction of the earth, so it just hit.
Speaker 2:It's like our ultimate blind spot right, it was coming from the direction of the sun. This, yes, son yeah, this I was like coming from the direction of the earth.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, it's all right, it's all right but coming from the sun okay, so get this astronaut, or astronomers have mapped out more than 33,000 near-earth asteroids that could potentially hit earth in the next century okay, 33,000.
Speaker 2:Are we building lasers for these bitches, or we?
Speaker 1:shot one, one space telescope out there to like see if we can hit it because the only way we can spot these fuckers is infrared light yeah, well, they're just called hunks of rock usually they're just right in the sun.
Speaker 1:So the only way they can really see it is if, like, it's barely off like the surface of the sun, like at a like a 10 minute period per day, like in a couple days, part of the month, yeah, so it's like totally fucking hidden there. Now the funny thing is they can only see, they're guessing 33,000, like they're estimating right thousand. They've only found about 40%, which is only like like it leaves about 14,000 left to find so essentially, guys, we could die any day.
Speaker 1:Go ask that girl out, you know I mean go leave that girl out go have a good day, take a sick day and just go live your life, you know it just to kind of top it off with you know little fun of you know possible earth semis, as they have found one planet killer that is in this that is obscured by the Sun currently oh well, you know it's, maybe it just hits the Sun maybe it could.
Speaker 1:It's a mile wide, with a quirky five-year orbit that makes this huge space rock like almost permanently invisible to the telescopes, though. So but there's a point that it will keep kind of circling and getting closer to the earth as it keeps using the Sun's gravity to kind of round out and shoot out a little further and further.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's fun it's well, I you know the odds aren't huge, but they're there.
Speaker 1:We could die any day oh well, I mean lip of an eye in the eyes of the universe that is facts. That is very, very after after we've been watching the documentary a life on or life on earth yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah it takes a lot of time for shit to go wrong.
Speaker 2:Shit goes wrong, yeah, yeah speaking of space, there was that, um, there was that little that James Webb photo of like the distant stars and stuff, but in the background there was a little question mark. What in the stars? It was actually, oh, galaxies merging, but it looked like a little question mark. I just saw that today when I was looking up stuff. So that's that's dope.
Speaker 1:You know why? Because they use the James Webb and then another one to like print out the most like Colorful picture of the universe. Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It was a really really cool photo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's dope. That's dope. I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, man. Well, speaking of people living their best lives like they could die tomorrow, monster hunters just conducted the largest search of Loch Ness in more than 50 years.
Speaker 1:How big is lost? Neck, it's 22 square miles with a maximum depth of 788 feet.
Speaker 2:I that was the next thing I had written that is so great that you asked that how convenient wow. Yeah, so it's great Britain's largest lake by volume and second largest by surface area, according to encyclopedia Britannica.
Speaker 1:Love me, some Britannica, yeah, some Britannica they got a double check everything you read on there. Yeah, sometimes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So over there's been over a thousand official documented sightings of the Loch Ness Monster, you know, over time, official and Like they're documented and stuff. And then it's got a reputation that spans nearly 1500 years, miss Nessy, all these myths, all these legends for all this time. So then the Loch Ness Center and research group Loch Ness Exploration are asked, or what they were asking at the time? This, this article that I started from, was written Before it was gonna happen. I didn't realize that. So it just happened in August. Fun fact this, this investigation, just happened in August. Yeah, yeah, so basically they just sent like drones with infrared cameras and they fly over the lake and then there's Like they have like Basically, a bunch of radar going through and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:So they basically mapped out the entire fucking lake. Oh, there was a guy who, like, showed this image of what it can do because apparently at one point they had found a Loch Ness Monster, like, like, like dummy that was used in a movie at the bottom of the lake. So when they were mapping, it out. When they were mapping them out, there was like this perfect fucking Nessy Just chilling down there and they're like oh shit, it was just a fucking movie. Prop from way back.
Speaker 1:Why is it?
Speaker 2:still in the lake. Why didn't they take it out? I don't know if they've taken it out or not.
Speaker 1:They're just like we're gonna leave it. Yeah, we're gonna check this out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, nobody ended up finding the monster, right, of course, but, um, there was basically like it's crazy. To me it was such a. In my opinion, it was a great marketing scheme. Yeah, because it was just the Loch Ness Monster Center, that basic, or the Loch Ness Center, which, basically, through this huge event, invited all these researchers to come out. They live streamed the whole thing like it's just it would they? Like Nessy brings in to Scotland about 52 million every year just to Scotland's economy, right? So like, just with all of her merch, all that stuff. So they thought this huge ass event, they're making bank. There was like quotes in these articles from the general manager just being like, yeah, you know, we don't know if they'll find it or not, but come on.
Speaker 1:It's come up like yeah, it'll bring up the tourists like Economy again they just had dudes patrolling the the waters like people, people like searching.
Speaker 2:They'll literally just with their hands over their eyes oh my god, looking for fucking Nessy. But then they got these cool radar things and the sonar stuff and then the infrared cameras go in above the lake and all that. So I mean they definitely mapped out the whole lake, but everybody's just saying, well, the only way to know for sure is if you ended up draining the whole lake, and that'll never happen. So I guess we'll never know.
Speaker 1:It makes me so happy. It ends like every other TV show. I.
Speaker 2:Just think it's funny. You know, good for that. Rock on. You know, I'm sure most people know or don't really believe in it, but it's what a spectacle to behold. Oh, yeah, I freaking love that a lot of this monster believers just chilling at the lake. It was like a two-day event, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's like, it's like a Sasquatch, like convention. I feel like, because you can't really do a Nessie convention because it's on the wall, I guess this is close to come.
Speaker 2:At the actual location. Yeah, no, that's, it's the only location that the Loch Ness monster could be at. Yeah, with it, with Bigfoot. It's like you can be anywhere, and not really, but you there's like you could be anywhere. There's a lot of patches. There's a lot of patches.
Speaker 1:Loch Ness is just the one man, it's just the one patch, unless there's like a deep underwater, like crevice crevice right it's just a tunnel to like an underwater world like. Like my call or the ocean.
Speaker 2:Nessie's just out in the ocean this whole time Just chillin just munching, like munching down on blue whales, just taking down cruise ships, it just goes.
Speaker 1:It just goes back to like Loch Ness just to chill, take a nap. Yeah, relax, like don't have to deal with the Meg here.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Yeah, man, that's, uh, that's my, that's my, that's. My other one is is miss, miss Nessie. They never found her. She's still elusive, she's so elusive. I know, man, it is just the absolute, absolute, darnest thing. I probably hanging out with the Kraken.
Speaker 1:I love people's. I Guess ambition, tenacity like tenacity.
Speaker 2:that's a good word, yeah, just just to never give up.
Speaker 1:Always have hope, always have hope.
Speaker 2:And then and then, one day the meteor's gonna come and take us all out of existence, us, the otter Nessie. No, nessie's gonna live, nessie's just gonna blast up at the comment out of the water and just fucking.
Speaker 1:Saves the whole planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then just flat back down, just flat back down land on the ocean never seen again.
Speaker 1:It's like the real Godzilla, except like the most nice version of it ever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1:Alright, so there's a pretty important movie that just came out, oh, ian, and it was directed by this guy. No one really knows who he is, but his name's Ridley Scott.
Speaker 2:Ridley Scott okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no one really knows. He did it like a couple movies, like the master and commander mmm gladiator.
Speaker 2:I know gladiator, I was really seeing these movies love gladiator, what do you mean?
Speaker 1:and he just recently came out with this one called the polling in.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, dude, I was just listening to real dictators thing on the pulley and yeah yeah, what part are you at? I just finished the first episode.
Speaker 1:There's like a six-parter bro, I know, but it's so good, it's so good anyway so there's a lot of debate, or not really debate. It's just like Confrontation about this with the historians. Oh, and Ridley Scott and Hollywood, because there's a lot of historical inaccuracies.
Speaker 2:Oh, of course, there is like so many well, even in gladiator there was the, there was the moment with the thumb, the thumb because when it's sideways don't they live, and that no, if it's.
Speaker 1:It never goes down yeah it never goes down. It's either that or it never goes up. Yeah, it doesn't go one way.
Speaker 2:Yeah it doesn't go one way or the other. They have the sideways thumb and and I don't remember the exact order, but they got that wrong. Yeah, I know that it's like. Oh man. Yeah, it's a thumb. I think it was for dramatic effect. Hollywood man Gotta give the thumbs up and the thumbs down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm gonna go through the top 12 Inaccurate oh boy, okay, no, I'm ready for this, I'm ready from screen, rent comm and if it like Ridley Scott, is fired back at the historians, even telling them get a life, which is like kind of I'm like, oh, come on man, like they really work up really hard, like they do a lot of research. It might not be as entertaining, but like don't tell me get a life.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That is their life, bro. Yeah, yeah, cuz they're not in the pop culture world.
Speaker 2:I was about to say, they might not make as much as you, but they do just as important work. But then it's like they do, they do they do.
Speaker 1:It was very important. Yeah, it's very important.
Speaker 2:He's got his tarnishing it that is true, but damn, does he make a good movie? He does. He does has to make a good movie.
Speaker 1:So first one, number 12 Napoleon did not charge into any battle with his cavalry, because the point no, oh, he was like. It depicts him several instances Going in direct combat. Oh, he was not doing that, he was hanging back commanding like a commanding behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and like shut, like, do this, do that it's in the other thing, the cavalry had his time on the front lines, like in when he was, like when he was a young soldier. Yeah, he had combat, but he didn't like when he was commanding the army. Yeah, he was commanding the mother fucking arm.
Speaker 1:Now Levin Napoleon was wounded was wounded by British Bayonetting during the siege of Talun. Now it's apparently like that was. They said that he was not injured in the movie. He was actually injured.
Speaker 2:I got stabbed. I feel like they would should include that in the movie. It might that better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it would. It would be like a little yeah, like an oh no moment.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean like when, when, like I don't know, when people get cut up in movies, it's like the, the, the challenge for the hero to overcome, anyway, yeah.
Speaker 1:So and I just want to make sure, yeah, it says like they left out where he was Bayonetted by a British soldier while on horseback and the wound that actually could have probably killed him. Yeah, so it's like why'd you leave that out?
Speaker 2:man interesting.
Speaker 1:I don't know why. Now the one thing that everybody's seen in the commercial is the giant lake where he's firing the cannonballs and it's frozen over and all the soldiers are getting plummeted into it. Okay, there was no giant frozen lake at the Battle of Osterlitz. Oh man, they took some liberties there. They took a lot of liberties. There was several small ponds and like 20 drownings. It's just not as excited at least got like the whole fucking army, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We got to make them all fall through the fucking eyes. Make them fall through the eyes.
Speaker 1:We're gonna do this huge scene where a bunch of horses and men died.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and this cry drowning and getting hypothermia.
Speaker 1:And one of the big things about that is like you don't have to over exaggerate, like his ruthlessness, to depict how much he gave, like how little care he cared of or how little he cared about human life. Right, like he did not. No, he's going to win at all costs. Yeah, and his story is so fascinating by itself I like there's just certain things that you just didn't really intertwine right right now. Another one Napoleon and Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington. They actually never met, but apparently in the movie they meet.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, who is the Duke of Wellington again?
Speaker 1:Arthur Wellesley. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:He's just ringing a bell from my AP European history class, the Duke of Wellington. I feel like he was an important gentleman, but that's okay it was in.
Speaker 1:It was after the Battle of Waterloo that they would have probably made like that when this is they're depicting like. But they were at the Battle of Waterloo but they never met.
Speaker 2:Ah, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, now another big thing Napoleon's army never attacked the Egyptian pyramids.
Speaker 2:So did they say in the movie that they had to?
Speaker 1:commercial. He's launching the catapults and hitting fucking things on the, on the pyramids and then also, okay, that's a little much, yeah, and that's a little facing the Sphinx as well.
Speaker 2:But okay, napoleon didn't face the same. Okay, you get. Okay, that's a little much.
Speaker 1:It was only alive 300 years ago, like bro, that it was already fucked up by Vin.
Speaker 2:Like oh, yeah, that's right cuz it is the fit. Oh, so they made, they gave him credit for doing yeah, wow, okay, that's a little much like. Up until now I've been like, oh, whatever makes for dramatic scene yet, but that's like just changing the facts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's just changing the fact, the battle didn't even happen near, like in sight of the pyramids, because he went down there and there was a. There was a battle, but never even fought like Nick, because the battle is depicted right next to the pyramids, right didn't have a hit in the Pyramids, yeah yeah, well, no, he's just straight up catapulting Rocks at the pyramid, right, just like see if he can break into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, another one is apparently in the movie. He slaps Josephine. Napoleon would never have slapped, josephine. I was to, napoleon was a lover he was, and he was absolutely Obsessed with Josephine for a little while, until he was not obsessed with her anymore. Ah, he did poison her dog.
Speaker 2:So you sure he wouldn't slap her yeah, because it was like they Devoicing her tall. Yeah, she was a fuck dude.
Speaker 1:Did they put that in the movie? That I don't know.
Speaker 2:It doesn't sound like they did. Yeah, it's probably. Nowadays people don't like that stuff.
Speaker 1:They're gonna get me set.
Speaker 2:I you know personally I am legend killed me for that very.
Speaker 1:It's why I can't like watch every little thing, it's gonna be all right.
Speaker 2:I can't listen to that song now without thinking of that man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that part is set. Uh, now there's also where, in the commercial again, napoleon was not at Marie Antoinette's public execution, he just watched her get thrown in jail, oh yeah, but in the movie they'd show him they're watching her get hung. Hmm, dramatic effect, yep, and so that, exactly.
Speaker 2:so okay, it's starting to stack up, though, now. You know what I mean. Like it's starting to stack up though now, like you took a little too many liberties. If it was just one or two of these things, the historians wouldn't be up in an uproar. There's there. No, there are no strangers to Hollywood. Directors taking a bit of liberty, right, yeah, you're gonna throw it that he defaced the goddamn sphinx, like the drowning in the water thing. That's something they could overlook, I think.
Speaker 2:Sure that's not a story is, could overlook, but if you go as far as defacing, as sphinx I mean, come on. Yeah like being there when somebody was executed but they were having to be a woman beater.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was at. He was at. Napoleon was on garrison duty in southern France as an officer in the French military During the French Revolution, and his opening scene combines two critical moments that helped Napoleon's Napoleon about the French Revolution. But it's like he went there. The only thing is like he went there and he saw her get thrown in jail. He never actually saw her get hung because he was right Can do in a garrison right.
Speaker 2:He's the man's on the clock.
Speaker 1:Not another one. That's just kind of like whatever. But Napoleon was actually terrible at riding horses. He never actually finished like his military riding training and so he was just not that great at riding horses, yeah, but they go ahead and depict him as a very skilled rider and what I believe why they depict him like why he took this liberty, is because because he did it like talk to historians About this and then he went ahead and did his own thing. So he Like there is a mural of Napoleon that was that he had conscripted and done for him and and depicted him as like this godlike hero saving these people on, like this white stallion, essentially and it was after this battle, but in reality that never happened right, had all those, it just looked heroic.
Speaker 1:He actually had his own fucking men killed. Because, they had some sort of plague and he was like, fucking burned the camp.
Speaker 2:It was a bit of a narcissist yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, he's a bit of an old-school. Burn the political game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like paint me as a hero, which is exactly what the victors always do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah now here's another big one. Napoleon was six years younger than Josephine, that's, and in the movie so like Napoleon was six years younger, but walking Phoenix is actually like 15 years older than Vanessa Kirby. Hmm, and I think in the movie did they depict her as younger Real life. Oh, so okay, never mind, I'm taking this one back. That's bullshit, whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was gonna say I don't really get a shit. Yeah, cuz you can play whatever.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I don't care about that. I was a trash what I rate that one trash trash like they're trying to grab.
Speaker 2:So that's a grower, that's a filler, that's a killer I had to hit their number?
Speaker 1:Yep, okay, and then? This one just being what. Oh, nope, nope, nope, nope. Napoleon's mother likely didn't stage a betting incident, making like because Josephine couldn't have kids, and I don't know. This one is just I, it's kind of whatever, like I don't care about his kids at the end of the day, you know yeah, yeah, I don't really care about that either. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I do care about the whole things, the things Sphinx thing yeah, that's, that's the big one. For me that's not making sense. And then just having him be at these different or meet these different people or be it, so Marie Antoinette's execution, like I just feel like that's a little bit too much. When you stack all of those things together, one of those things separate is fine, yeah, but like all of them, you know, do all of that like come on.
Speaker 1:Yep well.
Speaker 2:The only reason I'm mad, though, is like it's not like you took a boring dude. I made a movie about him. Mm-hmm, it's like the dude's exciting enough to make a movie about. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Now this is In the movie. Josephine suggests to have a divorce with Napoleon. Absolutely bullshit. She was terrified of being divorced from Napoleon. She begs Napoleon not to leave her in real life Okay.
Speaker 1:Because she's a socialite and she just kind of always makes fun of him to her other socialite aristocratic friends and reads out in public, out loud, his love letters that he's writing her while he's in all these battles, like he's professing his love to her all the time and just how he doesn't want the world to go on with, like he wants her to be his entire world and da, da, da, da da. And she's making fun of him, but she's like using him as like a tool to be in these high social circles.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, and then the more famous and powerful he got, the more that she was like oh I need to be here, but I've already. She was cheating on him. They both cheated on each other a bunch of times, Right? But yeah, that's one thing.
Speaker 2:Ah see, that's interesting. I didn't know that about her. Oh yeah, she was like just dogging on him back home, cheating on him. But I guess they were cheating on each other. They were Interesting. I didn't know any of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she cheated on him with one of his, like lieutenants too, ah, and then he ended up getting stationed, like in bum fuck, nowhere for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2:Mmm Yep. Yeah, that sounds about right. Surprised he didn't get killed or poisoned like the dog, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now the biggest one, number one here, and it's on the poster of the movie. It says he came from nothing and conquered all. Napoleon did not come from nothing and he did not conquer everything. Okay, he came from nobility. Yeah, he had a lot of opportunity and he was born on the Italian island of Corsica, meaning that he had more opportunity than most to make connections and establish a name for himself. And then he definitely didn't conquer everything, especially Russia or Great Britain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it depicts that he was fighting England, great Britain, and it just didn't happen and he fucking ended up losing and his whole empire that he did build just got demolished and sunk in and that his entire army fucking froze to death in Russia and he abandoned them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like well, this was a mistake.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there will be down the line, definitely a series on Napoleon that we do. But before I do that, I want to read Napoleon a Life.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's only a small like 900 page book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just a baby. Just a babe, it's just a baby Baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that'll be. That'll be down the line when I have more time to read books like that and can Build up the script. No, that's fair.
Speaker 2:Those books are well, especially nonfiction books. Man, A lot of nonfiction books are tough reads just because it's like interesting stuff. But the authors who write them sometimes are like just historians just telling you the facts.
Speaker 1:And they don't like.
Speaker 2:they're not authors, they're not storytellers usually.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, right.
Speaker 2:That's why I like my fiction novels. Man.
Speaker 1:They are fun. I do read a lot of those.
Speaker 2:So let's recap. We talked about. We talked about my fun little otter. We talked about how the world might end at any time. We talked about the Loch Ness Monster largest, largest search for Nessie in the last 50 years.
Speaker 1:In the last 50 years. Yeah, how long time. Yes, yeah, and then, and then we Historical inaccuracies from the biggest Napoleon movie that probably will ever be. Yeah, I mean, I'm still kind of excited to see it though. Oh, I'm super pumped to see it. Yeah, I'm sure, it's absolutely gorgeous, like it's got to be so well done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure it's a great movie.
Speaker 1:Just know that it's complete, like it's just it's fiction. Yeah, it's all fiction, this movie.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sure there's some historical accuracies as well as the inaccuracies.
Speaker 1:I guess the biggest part of it is the like the, the biggest nonfiction. Part of it is his effect on the world. Yeah, that is definitely accurate, and you can do it in a million ways, but he had a significant effect. Yeah, and I think that what I've read historians say that that it does definitely capture that aspect.
Speaker 2:All right, all right. Well, there we freaking have it man oh yeah, still pumped to see the movie. Yeah, all right, how you feeling? You alive Dude I am. I am going to take more mucinacs after we're done here and chicken and asparagus and then go to bed, all right.
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