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Drinking Our Way Through History
Episode 29: Lady Jane Grey - A Nine Day Reign
In today’s episode we will be discussing Lady Jane Grey, The Nine Days’ Queen! Lady Jane Grey was a noblewoman who briefly became queen of England for just nine days in July 1553. Born into a prominent aristocratic family with ties to the royal Tudor lineage, she was highly educated, known for her intelligence, and had a strong Protestant upbringing.
Her unexpected ascent to the throne came amidst a succession crisis following the death of King Edward VI, who named her as his heir in an attempt to prevent his Catholic half-sister, Mary I, from taking power due to their religious beliefs. Jane's reign was swiftly challenged by Mary I, and she was eventually deposed and later executed at a very young age, becoming known as the "Nine Days' Queen."
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Speaker 2:We're about to douth you in some knowledge.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited You're about to get douthed God you're going to get douthed in. Lady Jane Grey. Yeah, Lady.
Speaker 2:Jane Grey is about to douth all over you. It's going to douth you with knowledge.
Speaker 1:So first off, ladies and gentlemen, sorry for the late episode, one day late, we know. Fucking. Sue us, it's my fault, it's my fault.
Speaker 2:Wait, wait, cooper, that was you saying that we have very similar voices. I want to make sure that I'm taking none of the blame for this.
Speaker 1:It's definitely Ian's fault. He's the one that said that, and so yeah, it's not true, that is a blatant lie. I have been working on the script and I wanted it to be great, so that's what we're going to hope for, and you might have heard this little you just dropping stuff on the table.
Speaker 2:You're adding sound effects, knocking the microphone around, a little bit of this and that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's called ambiance.
Speaker 2:No, it's called professional podcasting, which is obviously Cooper, would you say. That's what we're known for Absolutely Professional podcast.
Speaker 1:Look at this table. It's a round one. It is round. We're basically two Arthur's Arthur the round tables. Yeah, yeah, there's one table, though I don't know why I put an S at the end.
Speaker 2:They didn't have two separate tables where there were multiple nights. What are you guys talking about? You got a little kitty table for Lance a lot over there.
Speaker 1:Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to drinking our way through history.
Speaker 2:I feel like you said gentlemen, a little bit too succulently, like you were really talking to their soul. Ladies and gentlemen, yeah, you got to entice these men. This one's for the men no, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:Welcome to drinking our way through history, where we cover the legendary people, places and events that history has to offer, while enjoying a thick pour of wine. I am Cooper and I am Ian. In today's episode, we will be discussing Lady Jane Gray.
Speaker 2:Not to be confused with Mary Jane. This is Lady Jane.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like it's. You know, mary Jane is like just Mary Jane, like, probably like.
Speaker 2:Are you saying? This is probably obvious to the listeners and I probably shouldn't have made the clarification Extremely obvious when it's Lady Jane Gray, you know what?
Speaker 1:No, that's totally fair.
Speaker 1:That's totally fair. Now, lady Jane Gray is also known as the Nine Days Queen. Yes, lady Jane Gray was a noble woman who briefly became Queen of England for just nine days in July of 1553. Nine days. Born into a prominent aristocratic family with ties to the royal tutor lineage, she was highly educated, known for her intelligence and had a strong Protestant upbringing those damn Protestants. Her unexpected ascent to the throne came amidst a succession crisis, following the death of King Edward VI, who named her as his heir in an attempt to prevent his Catholic half-sister, mary I, from taking power due to their religious beliefs. Jane's reign was swiftly challenged by Mary I and she was eventually deposed and later executed at a very young age of 16 years old, becoming known as the Nine Days Queen Technically the first Queen of England.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, technically for a very, very, very, very, very very brief time, yeah, but still there. You know, War the Crown Cooper. Speaking of executions, I'm thinking of something that the listeners could execute at this very moment. They could execute that like button. They could execute that five star review button. Yeah, they can. They could execute that subscribe button.
Speaker 1:Yeah, get on that Steamy steamy.
Speaker 2:Now, in the dramatic landscape of English history, a pivotal event unfolded after the passing of King Edward VI, who had no male heirs and was the only son of King Henry VIII. This momentous event triggered what we now call the succession crisis. You see, when Edward VI died, it set off a bit of a scramble, since the Tudor family didn't have any males in line to take over the throne, which led to a lot of panic within the nobility. As you can assume, everybody's scrambling. Who's going to be the king? Who's going to be?
Speaker 1:the queen yeah, they're freaking the fuck out and there's a lot of money on the line. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Always money, and they're all trying to get on the throne somehow. They're like in seven generations. This move will pay off.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:So first things first, let's go ahead and talk about who the Tudor family was and why they were a rather significant family in English history. The Tudor family was a prominent English royal dynasty that rose to power in the late 15th century and ruled England from 1485 to 1603. That's a long dynasty, that's over 100 years. Pretty good Did well. Yeah, did not do bad. So he began with Henry VII, who emerged victorious in the war of the roses or sorry, the wars of the roses yes, there was a few of them Plural which was a series of civil wars between the rival houses of Lancaster and York for the throne of England. Shout out Lancasters, those incestual motherfuckers. Yes.
Speaker 1:Oh hey, I really feel like I should probably throw out like the source that we're using here today, like obviously there's various articles across that I kind of checked this source with, but it is from Benage history on YouTube history documentary of real truth history. Real truth with Helen Caster.
Speaker 2:Ah, good old Helen. Yes, oh, that's the thing that played before we started the project.
Speaker 1:I needed to get it there. So I was like what was her name?
Speaker 2:again, Cooper and I were arguing a little bit and then all of a sudden it goes. This is Helen Caster.
Speaker 1:Helen Caster.
Speaker 2:Yes, Sorry, I'm going to call her Caster. So Henry the seventh married Elizabeth of York, uniting the warring factions and establishing the Tudor dynasty. Their union symbolized the end of the conflict and brought stability to England. Henry the seventh's reign marked the beginning of a new era characterized by the consolidation of royal authority, economic growth and cultural flourishing.
Speaker 1:Yes, I like to flourish. We love that flourishing. It's pretty great. Yeah, I mean we'll get bogged down too much in the English history of family trees and lineage and monarchs.
Speaker 2:Why not Cooper, cause it's basically a bramble bush.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it's just like you, just get so long. We're so long. I wish Dick joke, we're 30 seconds in.
Speaker 2:Dick joke.
Speaker 1:It's yeah, we're going to get through this, but this is kind of explain got to explain the setup here. Otherwise it's like, well, this is such an issue, there's a lot of people there and then it just, yeah, there's no men. Now their son, henry the eighth, is one of the most well known Tudor monarchs. His highlights during his rule were his break from the Roman Catholic church and the establishment of the church of England, the termination of the monasteries and his multiple marriages, which played a pivotal role in England's religious and political landscape.
Speaker 2:The termination of the monasteries? Oh no, wherever will they send their family members that they hate?
Speaker 1:Bro, not the monasteries. So many, so many people. We don't like that uncle.
Speaker 2:Well, he went to become a monk in the monastery. It's like the farm. It's like when an golden retriever dies, the family dog dies and the parents are like, we sent him to the farm. He's at the monastery.
Speaker 1:But like 90% of the Catholic like world was destroyed in this time. So like in England, because they removed all the stained glass, they removed all of the oh. So it was like an actual wipe, oh, it was a wipe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like they wiped that bitch, clean Wow.
Speaker 1:It was devastating for them.
Speaker 2:For the Catholics? Oh no, the Catholics had a hard time one time.
Speaker 1:Geez. So they were bringing in the era of the Protestant religion. Now Henry the eighth's children, edward the sixth, mary the first and Elizabeth the first, would all rule England after Henry's death. Edward the sixth's short reign was marked by religious reform. And now, just as a reminder, edwards the king that dies in the story Dead King. That sets it all off Yep, while Mary the first famously sought to restore Catholicism, earning her nickname Bloody Mary we all know Bloody Mary Due to her persecution of the Protestant dissenters and Elizabeth, the first strain, is often regarded as a golden age in English history, characterized by stability, cultural growth and exploration. The Tudor era was a transformative period in England, witnessing social, religious and political changes that left a lasting impact on the country's history and identity.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know what?
Speaker 1:I mean it was just crazy. It was up and down back and forth and just like then this shit with Lady Jane Grey Like it's nuts.
Speaker 2:It is nuts, yeah, and you know what else is nuts? I actually met Bloody Mary one time, and you can meet her too. You just go into your bathroom and you turn off the lights. You look at the mirror and you just say Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary.
Speaker 1:There she is.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, you can talk to a first person source yes, yes, yes, that sounds about right yeah. So Edward VI had essentially written his will, which is known as Edward's device of succession, which is so sick.
Speaker 2:I hope somebody comes up with a nickname for my will one day. He wrote down who he thought should be the next ruler of England. Now this document stressed how crucial it was to have a male as the next ruler. Interestingly, in this document, a girl named Jane Grey, who was the daughter of Lady Francis Grey, was mentioned as a potential ruler, but there's strong speculation that the Duke of Northumberland, who was Edward's closest advisor, might have had a hand in this document for his own personal gain, if you can imagine that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one thing in this time of history is everybody is going out for their self-interest. Oh, yeah. They're looking out for only that. Yeah, it's not so much of like. I am on the right side of history. It's I am on the side that's going to win and not get me killed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, because a lot of people were dying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of people were dying, around everybody.
Speaker 2:Now, the dork of Northumberland was not only Edward's right hand man.
Speaker 1:Did you just call him the dork of Northumberland?
Speaker 2:The dork of Northumberland. No, sorry, guys, the Duke, there we go. Yeah, sorry, I was trying to duke you out, you fucking loser.
Speaker 1:God, you got to duke me up. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You're so funny. You're so funny, I know, I know. The Duke of Northumberland was not only Edward's right hand man but also the leader of the privy council that advised the king. He was a significant figure in the court and his involvement in this document did raise some eyebrows. His motives and potential influence in naming Jane Gray as a successor added a layer of complexity to an already intense situation.
Speaker 1:Now who the hell is Lady Jane Gray? Yeah, right, right, like, let's figure that out.
Speaker 2:She was only around for nine days.
Speaker 1:She was around for 16 years. Nine days this queen, and then she had her head lopped off. Lady Jane Gray had a connection to the Tudor family through her grandmother, mary Tudor. Jane's mother, lady Frances Brandon, was Mary's Tudor was Mary Tudor's daughter. Are we following?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like how you said Mary's Tudor's daughter, because Tudor like we all think we all have a Tudor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's cool. Well, we don't all have a Tudor, but that's true.
Speaker 2:Okay, Mr Privilege over there, no.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding. Yeah, Mary Tudor's daughter Tudor family. Right, Mary was the younger sister of King Henry VIII, making her Jane's great aunt. This relationship placed Jane within the extended royal family, giving her a distant claim to the throne through her lineage. It was never really like supposed to happen.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Like it was very. It was a controlled circumstance.
Speaker 2:I was watching a documentary by Weird History on YouTube. Yeah, super funny. I basically were like, yeah, the likelihood of her becoming queen was basically the likelihood of you or me becoming a fucking astronaut.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, okay. That puts it into layman's terms. Absolutely, that's a good way. Thank you. Now Lady Jane Gray was born in October 1537 in Bradgate Park, Lecheshire, England. I don't know how to say this word.
Speaker 2:No, I think you're right. Lecheshire.
Speaker 1:Lechesh Lech Lech-, lech Lech-.
Speaker 2:Lecheshire, and if we're wrong, it's the same thing, is worth to say. You don't fucking aim at that, but come on, make it easy for us.
Speaker 1:So she was raised in a noble household, her parents being Henry Gray, the Duke of Suffolk and Lady Frances Branden. Now, her upbringing was marked by an exceptional education, focusing on classical languages, theology and philosophy, which is not typical for women of her time. She spent much of her early life in the care of scholars and tutors like actual tutors, not the family tutor. Yeah, she became proficient in Greek, latin and French, showcasing a fluency and understanding that were unusual for someone of her age and gender of that era. Like, I mean, women just weren't really like. Taught that well, yeah.
Speaker 2:All of things, especially like even the aristocrats and the socialites and, if I'm not mistaken, I think she knew like Arabic.
Speaker 1:She knew a bunch of.
Speaker 2:She knew up to six that she was pretty proficient in, and then there was like 11 languages that she just kind of could get by in.
Speaker 1:These are the ones that I kept seeing the most frequently Greek, latin and French, I think. Arabic. She was asked, she went about learning Arabic herself and then was like seeking tutors. Help to continue her education.
Speaker 2:Maybe it was one of those where, like, she can read it but can't speak it, kind of I bet you it's something like that because, at the age of 15, being proficient in like 11 languages is very impressive.
Speaker 1:It is a lot Like that's so much and there's so much more to learn about literally everything.
Speaker 2:But if you're taught from the time you're a bebe, it becomes a lot easier, I guess that's very true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she was very smart. Very smart is what we're trying to say Now. Jane Gray lived a relatively quiet life within her noble family, engaging in scholarly pursuits and likely participating in the social life customary to someone of her station. Now she was married to Lord Guildford Dudley at the age of 15.
Speaker 2:That was damn Dudley's that was.
Speaker 1:Dudley's Now. Their marriage was arraigned as part of a political strategy orchestrated by their families, but by, particularly, by none other than the Duke of Northumberland, aiming to strengthen their positions and solidify their influence through a connection to royal lineage.
Speaker 2:Now, apparently nobody liked the Dudley's, though.
Speaker 1:Fun fact like they were just kind of that rabble house family.
Speaker 2:That was just like that squarely mousy, fucking. Yeah. Well, you know why?
Speaker 1:Because in Northumberland he came from fucking nothing, so he came from the ground up. He was a peasant common man that worked his way into the military, became a general leader and then worked his way into higher nobility and got onto the privy council. That was literally the echo chamber for the king or queen. Yeah, their suggestion, guys. He's kind of like Otto oh gosh, what's his name? Otto from Otto Hightower, from the House of the Dragon.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he reminds me a lot of him, basically like Hand of the King.
Speaker 2:No, okay.
Speaker 1:That's who he is, but he is Like once again he's out for his own interest. So he forced this marriage and gave Jane's father like a bunch of money, essentially, and when Jane was like I don't really want to marry this fucking guy, her dad slept the shit out of her, apparently, that's, you know, according to eyewitnesses and so she eventually was just like fine, whatever, I'll just bring this guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of those forced arranged marriage situations.
Speaker 1:But he had it because he was like, if we marry into their family, then we are now officially part of the lineage of the monarchs.
Speaker 2:So that's where he's at Classic Dudley. Yes.
Speaker 1:Now let's go ahead and like get back into the story. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, the succession crisis wasn't just about who got the crown.
Speaker 2:It was tangled up in a fierce clash between two major branches of Christianity Protestantism and Catholicism. So in one corner you had the Protestants, who had been gaining ground in England. You can think of the Protestantism, as you know the more laid back religion, not as strict, no single leader like the Pope, more direct communication with God through prayer and, of course, not as many books in their Bible, and they also don't have so much of a strict hierarchy inside of the church. On the other side stood the Catholics, led by Mary the first, who was Edward's older sister and a staunch believer in Catholicism. Being such a committed believer put her at odds with the Protestant movement that was picking up steam and made her a potential threat to Protestantism that or sorry, to the Protestantism that King Edward and many others supported. She would host illegal Catholic masses at her own home, which in turn, of course, pissed Edward off and confirmed his belief that she would never be queen and, to kind of put this in perspective, mary's in her 30s, edward 15.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like he had the crown from like 14 to 15 years old. He was a fucking kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, that's the thing. That's what a lot of people forget about these kinds of stories. It's like usually the people in the royalty that we're talking about are not old sons of bitches. No, they're young. Yeah, because kings did not live a long life a lot of times back then. Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got. Yeah fuckered up pretty quick. They got dundered in yeah, 100%.
Speaker 2:Now, Edward's device for the succession was like a shield against Mary becoming queen and protecting England from losing their newly founded Protestant ways. So this wasn't just a family squabble for power. It was actually a clash of religious beliefs that made the choice of the next ruler even more critical.
Speaker 1:Dun, dun dun. So the whole situation was truly like a chessboard with two main players. Okay, on one side you had Mary, the first, that was backed by her Catholic beliefs and supporters, and now on the other side was the Duke of Northumberland he was like the antagonist of this story, yeah who was firmly aligned with the Protestant cause, mainly due to money and power, because he like so. Northumberland, who was Edward's right hand man and held a lot of influence.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say he's like the second most powerful man in England when you're the Duke of Northumberland, yeah yeah, basically.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I said, he's like kind of the hand of the king. So he had a lot to lose if Mary became queen. His position, his wealth and status were all tied to the Protestant cause. So if Mary took the throne, northumberland risked losing everything he had worked for. His whole world hinged on ensuring that a Protestant ruler succeeded Edward.
Speaker 2:So because, like I said, man came to the bottom and now he's here you know, yeah, yeah, he's kind of like Otto Hightower from the House of the Dragon.
Speaker 1:I'm so glad you brought that up. Yeah, I just didn't even think of that.
Speaker 2:No, I know, I know that was a completely original thought that had nothing to do with the script in front of me. Nothing, nothing at all, no so no, Now.
Speaker 1:he wasn't just a casual observer of this whole drama. Northumberland was a central figure in the succession crisis. Since his personal interests were deeply entwined with the outcome, he chose to be in the thick of it, working behind the scenes to shape the future of England. Thick thick.
Speaker 1:We'll just go throw that out there. Edward's device for succession wasn't something people waved around openly. It was produced in secret. Revealing Edward's intentions openly could have shifted the balance of power and jeopardized the intricate plans that Northumberland had put in motion. Initially, Jane Gray was written into the device only because her mother was supposed to be a placeholder until one of the daughters had a male child. But as Edward was becoming more sick, he added two words that would change the course of England's history and her Yep, I don't think that's how he said it, but Probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just like that. He wrote it down and he was like and her.
Speaker 2:Before the device had read the Lady Jane's heirs male. After the change, it read Lady Jane and her heirs male. What historians believe is that Edward was dying. He was faced with the fact that a woman was absolutely going to inherit the throne, whether he liked it or not. Now Lady Jane could have been selected because of her education and the Protestant faith, or because the Duke of Northumberland wanted her to become queen so she could name his son now her husband the King of England. And of course, it could be a mix of her education in Northumberland's manipulation, but it's pretty much certain that it's the latter the way things play out. It's heavily believed that the Duke of Northumberland had a heavy hand in Lady Jane's succession.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. It was so unholy it's. Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, everybody does like turn on Northumberland. It was like he's the fucking asshole that made me do it.
Speaker 2:Don't kill me Usually is what happens to Max. It's a mix of everybody's hand, of course.
Speaker 1:but he's the culprit, he's a scapegoat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So Northumberland swayed over the court and his close relationship with the young king enabled him to influence sorry, had a mini stroke there to influence and modify this critical document being the will of Henry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the divisive succession. Now the Grey family, particularly Jane Grey, became pivotal in Edward's plan for the succession. The Privy Council supported Northumberland's scheme lending official weight to the alteration of the succession. Now, Lady Jane Grey's upbringing played a crucial role in these events. Her education surpassed that of many royal women of her time, including Princess Mary and Princess Elizabeth. Seen as a beacon for the future of the Protestant Reformation in England, Jane Grey was essentially groomed for a significant role in shaping the religious direction of the nation.
Speaker 2:I wonder if the Duke of Northumberland was like ah, my son is married to the queen, let's go ahead and kill off the queen so that my son can just be king. That's exactly what.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it wouldn't. No, no, no, no, no, no. So she was going to just name him king. That's what they so, that's what they wanted. The plan, that's not what she did, but that's what they wanted.
Speaker 1:That's what they wanted, so they thought she was just going to be this docile little fucking puppet, basically. And as soon as she got anointed and got there, then she was going to and we're gonna talk about this basically give him a crown and call him king, and they expected Mary to just eat, like they were gonna find her and kill her or they were going to have her just roll over. They didn't think that she would be able to rebel at all.
Speaker 2:Right, because she was so young.
Speaker 1:This is honestly it's, fucking it's very game of thrones to ask. No, it's men dude, it's just guys, it's fucking guys. Guys are so stupid and they underestimate the fuck out of women. They underestimate Mary and they underestimate Lady Jane in this fucking story, like they just don't know and they're all dealing with their own actions and consequences and they are all begging for their own fucking lives by the end of the story Because they're all fucking dipshits. Men are stupid and we shouldn't be running anything anymore.
Speaker 1:Like we should probably give it to the men, just like Wolf Earl just fucking said, like at some show he was like we've been running things since like I don't know 10,000 BC and it's not going great. How about we let the women do it? I think that'd be grand, honestly, because if this shit was just figured out like sorry Rhett, now Wow Cooper. So Cooper feels strongly as he should. We just haven't done anything great.
Speaker 1:Now the only way that this could like go smoothly at all is if Edward's sister, mary, doesn't find out that she has been cut out from the line of succession. If Mary finds out, it literally could start a civil war in England. But Mary began to grow suspicious that something was up with the Privy Council and the Duke of Northumberland developed this really small like circle of trust people in order to keep the device of succession under wraps and to try and combat her suspicions, suspicions, suspicions, suspicions, suspicions, oh my God. Anyways, you gotta know what I'm saying. Now. A few days before Edward dies, northumberland attempted to lure Mary to London, aiming to thwart any challenge to Jane's accession. But Mary is tipped off by someone at the court that Edward is dying, and so she goes into hiding because she thinks that Northumberland is plotting to kill her, which she is absolutely right. What a time to be alive.
Speaker 2:It's fucking nuts On July 6th 1553, the 15 year old King Edward VI, sick in bed, says that he is feeling faint and within a couple of minutes passes away the news I'm feeling faint, father, and why was this 15 year old just suddenly dying?
Speaker 1:He'd just been growing sick and just sicker and sicker.
Speaker 2:Poison, poison, gotta be poison.
Speaker 1:Gotta be poison. So we'll talk about this a little bit, but it is a very big speculation that Northumberland was poisoning the living shit out of him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean in overtime too, like so that it wasn't like a sudden it's King Joffrey death. It's like oh, he's ill and we don't know why.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's literally the conf, like he's the confidant of the King, and so he gets closed quarters with them. Yeah, have some wine, have some wine, and then he sprinkles in some cyanide.
Speaker 2:Yeah, have some more wine. Oh God, dude.
Speaker 1:I mean, we don't know that. That's not for certain, we don't. There's no proof of that, absolutely, but it is.
Speaker 2:but it's a very it's like it's a funny coincidence. Yeah, yeah, oh man. Now the news of the death of the King it's not announced that night, nor even the next day. Why? Because Northumberland is getting everything set into place to place his daughter-in-law, Lady Jane Gray, on the throne, a role that she is still completely unaware of. The morning of Friday, july 7th, the day after Edward died, northumberland sends his sons and 300 soldiers to find and catch Princess Mary before she has time to gather up a resistance. But Mary had already gone into hiding and it sought refuge with other Catholic supporters and had also received the news that her brother had died.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause she's Princess Mary, bro, she's got connections, she's not dumb, yeah, and we'll also talk about, like, just cause there's illegitimacy, bro, there's so many things. So, as tensions escalated, Northumberland and his supporters secured the Tower of London, which at the time was a fortress of immense significance, in an attempt to maintain control and thwart any attempt by Mary or her allies to seize power. It was this cause. London was a lot smaller back then, yeah, like a lot smaller. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And the Tower of London is this just fucking it's. You don't, you can't seize it Like it is. All the munitions are in there, all of the cannons are in there, all the people, all the swords, all the arrows, all the crossbows, like it is. It is an armory that you, it is unpenetrable, right and you will be decimated. It's right there on the river in London. Now, at this point, northumberland is scrambling guards and Navy to blockade any attempt of Mary making any significant move against them. And by Sunday, all political players across the country knew that the King was dead, jane was to be queen, but still no public statement had been made and the one person who still had no fucking idea was Jane. Now, that is-.
Speaker 2:Poor Jane, bro. I know, bro, she's just thrown into the shit. Yeah, she's a child and she had no intention of ruling, but she did not want to be ruling, like she did not want to be in charge. She did not want to be queen, no.
Speaker 1:So the evening of that Sunday, july 9th, northumberland has Jane brought to his own personal house, known as the Scion House.
Speaker 2:It's still around, basically the Duke of Northumberland, it's in London, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Once she arrives, she is told that the line of succession has changed and she is now the Queen of England. What a thing to just be told she's like hey, by the way, you know this job that you never, ever have been prepared for in any which way, because it's totally not even the right thing at all for you to do, you got it, you got it, you got it. So the French ambassador that was in the room reported that Jane burst into tears and expressed how she did not want to be queen.
Speaker 2:She said this is not for me.
Speaker 1:The rightful heir is Mary, but her parents ended up showing up to the house and puts pressure on her to accept the damn job. Jane eventually accepts this role and accepts it because it is what God intended and she will do the best she can with the role that God has given her.
Speaker 2:Wow, god. That's a weird way to pronounce the Duke of Northumberland. That's an interesting way of pronouncing that.
Speaker 1:This is the documentary that I watch. It's a three-part series and they got great, very dramatic acting intertwined between talking from the historians and everything, and it's just. It's great. You should watch it. It's just, it's cheesy, but it works. Yeah, Now, at this time, Mary has arrived at her manor in Keninghall where she begins to write to gather support around the country to begin her fight for the crown. Signing her letters Mary the Queen.
Speaker 2:Hmm.
Speaker 1:Because, like the thing is, is Protestantism is about 16 years old in England at this point. Yeah, Catholicism been around for a lot longer. Than that Right. And so this whitewashing or this just washing of Catholicism not whitewashing, but because it's still both white religions, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we, we wide it out, the white out with more white.
Speaker 1:And it really shocked everyone in England because imagine, especially back then, as common people, you know that is the belief, that is your true destiny and you have burial rituals that are a certain way for Catholic mass and Catholic proceedings and Catholic funerals, and then that has taken away from you and all of a sudden you're like do my dead ones even go to heaven now? Right and like hey, you just, you can just kneel down by your bed and you just pray, and or you could just be in your car and you could pray.
Speaker 2:Right, or I'm sorry on your on your horse and you can pray. Well, Protestantism is such a so much more of a lack of day's ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know exactly it's very much laid back.
Speaker 2:And so you're not going to hell if you sin once.
Speaker 1:you know so think of like an, a type personality going drastically, like in a snap of the fingers, to be type yeah, without wanting to go to be type Right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's what essentially is happening here, and so there's still a lot of factions of England that are like no, no, no, no, no, bro, we still do Catholicism, we don't do this Protestantism shit.
Speaker 2:Right, this is new. I don't like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there are definitely converters, but they also convert right. The fuck back, right.
Speaker 2:And yeah.
Speaker 1:So she's writing out like this is my right, this is my birthright, not only by my bloodline, but also by what is parliament also by parliament has given me this right as well. Right.
Speaker 2:Because it's illegitimate Parliament and God, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Exactly yeah.
Speaker 2:So Monday, july 10th, jane was to be presented to the public as their new queen and was brought to the Tower of London. When she arrives in London by boat, there is a crowd of people waiting to see their new queen. When she exits the boat, people are immediately shocked, but you know more like a quiet shock. Yeah, you can't be.
Speaker 1:you can't be loud about this one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like it's like a day I'll just kind of shut the fuck up. It's like a little gasp.
Speaker 1:It's like no, no, no, that's too long. You get fucking hands or your mouth. Your tongue is gone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like that. And it's like sorry, I had to hiccup Sorry.
Speaker 2:Anybody got any thumbs. So the reason that they were shocked is because they see Lady Jane's mother carrying her daughter's train.
Speaker 1:Her mother, who is more senior than her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, most mothers are, obviously. Yeah, most mothers are. I mean, the line is succession. She's more senior than her. Yeah, no, you're right. No, you're right. So when, when you say carrying her daughter's train, by the way, you're talking about her dress Like it. Oh okay, I thought she meant like a little toy train or something. I was like she wasn't that fucking young, she was 16.
Speaker 1:No, she came off like this the fuck she do would hang it out with a train. She came off this little riverboat, you know, and then, like she had a dress and gown on.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That the train of the dress.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay, see, I was. I was unknowledged on that one, Ian doesn't hang around much women. Well, no, I don't hang around much women that have their dresses carried, sorry, I hang out with independent women.
Speaker 1:Ian also doesn't go to weddings.
Speaker 2:That's true.
Speaker 1:You got me there, you did get me there.
Speaker 2:So her mother had a closer tie to the line of succession, hence the but her little hitty yeah. But her mother was also not married to the Duke of Northumberland's son, Uh-huh. Another shock was that Guildford Northumberland's son and Jane's husband led the procession as if he were the new king.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty.
Speaker 2:This was like an extremely telling sign that everything had been set up and that Jane had been used in order for him to take the crown, basically.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, People saw this and they're like what the fuck yeah?
Speaker 2:They're like Doris, Doris, look at this, look at this, this is fucked up.
Speaker 1:This is so fucked, doris.
Speaker 2:This is Doris. This is over here, like I'm having a stroke Smelling toast. I smell toast. What's toast? I've never had toast. It's the 17th, 15th century They've had toast, you dim shit but it's cooked over a fire, not in a toaster. Therefore it's just called frost. I have to be right.
Speaker 1:We'll go with frost. We'll go with frost. So you smell frost today.
Speaker 2:I'm having frost, doris. So with this visual, the public started to kind of speculate that Northumberland had actually poisoned King Edward in order to put his son on the throne. Yeah, without a fucking doubt. I'm sorry, but without a fucking doubt I think that that's what happened. They see this shit and they're like that's Duke's son, something's fishy, and it's not the frost, it's not the frost?
Speaker 1:No, because it's bread. Why would there be fish on it, Ian?
Speaker 2:No, it's still frost Anyway. Needless to say, Northumberland was a very hated figure. He was also previously known for violently putting down a series of revolts by using mercenaries, some years before this whole episode. So basically, the people just absolutely loved him.
Speaker 1:They did not like him because these like, when he put down the revolts, it wasn't just like hey guys, calm down, We'll get it all figured out. He hired these mercenaries from like Germany and Austria and they came over and they just murdered everybody who was revolting. Yeah, he was just like how do you put in a revolt? You fucking squash it.
Speaker 2:You kill them. Yeah, you kill them all you kill them all. So, even though the common people hated him, northumberland knew that he had to try and convince them that Jane was the right and true queen. So his counsel had a public announcement written up for her proclamation to the throne, to be printed and distributed. It was the first time that a new monarch was announced through print. That's significant.
Speaker 1:It is significant.
Speaker 2:And it's very significant, and it's one of those moments where you're just like mmm, I smell bullshit, I smell some bullshit.
Speaker 1:Now, this print was a classic right, a bunch of bullshit without actually explaining something straightforward and just hoping for the best, aka all my college papers. Now, this announcement was three pages long. That's a wow, three pages long, two and illiterate people. Ok, these people are not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the common folks couldn't read, so they're just getting this. This is the queen, and then Harold's out there reading this three page thing, and so like they show up halfway through the speech and they're like what the fuck is he talking about Basically?
Speaker 1:now and this is an insane length of text to just explain why Jane was now the true queen. And in this explanation it goes on to say that the original device of succession did have Mary succeeding Edward, followed by Elizabeth, but since they were illegitimate, edward made different arrangements on his deathbed.
Speaker 2:Oh, which is like. It's like, oh yeah. And he whispered into the ear of the Duke of you know what I mean? Like, come on.
Speaker 1:And so to give you like a little taste as to how fucking confusing this is, we'll go into the illegitimacy of Mary and Elizabeth and like their troubleshooting. And basically this is because their dad fucked around. So King Henry VIII's daughters, Mary the first and Elizabeth first, weren't born as illegitimate children by nature. Their legitimacy was questioned because of Henry's messy history with marriages.
Speaker 2:Damn it, Henry.
Speaker 1:He was just having sex all around. Look man, now you're a king, Well, get this. So Henry VIII wanted a son and tried to end his marriage with Mary's mom, Catherine of Ergon, because she didn't give him a boy.
Speaker 2:Because that's how women work. Only some women give only women children, and some women give only men children.
Speaker 1:We all know this.
Speaker 2:This is how science works.
Speaker 1:This was before science, before science, pre-science. It's BS.
Speaker 2:It's BS before science.
Speaker 1:No. Now, when the pope was like no dog, this ain't how this is going to work. Henry goes all right, I'm done. And he broke away from the Catholic Church and Rome. So he broke away from Rome, which was like oh shit, this is how the Protestant religion started. No, no, no, no, no. Protestant religion started like the 1300s. This is how Protestantism started in England.
Speaker 1:It exacerbated it was always like little pockets when it became official yeah, where it officially became the reign of Protestantism Now he broke away from the Catholic Church and Rome and he started his own Protestant Church of England and he divorced Catherine. Then he married Anne Boleyn, elizabeth's mom, so two separate moms for him. But the Catholic Church was like no, and they didn't accept these new marriages at all. And they didn't say that and they were like no, these shits ain't valid. So still considering Henry's marriage to Catherine to be real.
Speaker 2:Right, the church still considered that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So some people question if Mary and Elizabeth were really legitimate because of these controversies. However, in England, laws were passed saying both Mary and Elizabeth were rightful heirs to the throne despite the messy marriages. So legally in England they were accepted as legitimate heirs despite the controversy surrounding their parents' marriages. So this is where Henry or Edward, before he died, was like I think I can write around this and this is also where Northumberland is feeding him all the shit and it's like the snake on the shoulder Right.
Speaker 1:What a fucking asshole. And so technically, because the Protestantism was kicking off and stuff like they could have gone and done this, but they didn't get Mary quick enough and Mary rallied this shit around and she was this is what she was fighting for was like when she said Parliament and my rightful birthplace as the line of succession, this is what she meant. Because of all this shit, parliament was like, yeah, this is fine. No, you and your sister Elizabeth are legitimate successors to the crown.
Speaker 2:Right. So these long three page announcements were read aloud by Haralds and left the people pretty much rather expressionless and confused.
Speaker 1:They're like what the fuck yeah, because they're over here like.
Speaker 2:God, we really need democracy.
Speaker 1:No, this was a dictator 100% a monarchy Now.
Speaker 2:Anytime before, there is typically a celebration that goes along with the announcement of a new monarch, but not this time. One man named Gilbert Pot decided to speak out against Queen Jane.
Speaker 1:Fucking Gilbert.
Speaker 2:And now for speaking out against the new queen.
Speaker 1:he was promptly arrested and shackled to a pillory, now a pillory is one of those wooden devices where you get your head and your hands locked through it. Yeah, while you're standing up and like it's a pork and pop up. He was throwing tomatoes at you, yeah, yeah, it's just like you're just standing there and your hands are in front of you, like next to your face, and you can't really move. You're one of them out there, just locked in there.
Speaker 2:Big head, little arm, yeah, so he had his ears nailed to the. His ears nailed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is tough.
Speaker 2:He had him nailed to the pillory in order to be released from it, and he had to suffer and have his ears cut off, which is so that, in order to get away from it, he already had his ears nailed in. They didn't just take off the nails, they didn't just take those out, they cut his ears off they just were like well, I guess we just have to cut these out. Fuck dude. I'm so happy I'm alive today.
Speaker 1:This was the first hand account, by the way, written in the diary of merchant Henry Meccan. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:This very same day that Jane had just been announced as queen, a dispatch shows up to the Tower of London with a letter from Mary. This letter is directed to the privy council, instructing them to display their loyalty to her, just in right cause. It basically said how she would be willing to pardon them, but if they didn't surrender they would face bloodshed and civil war. So basically she was like it's either me or we're going to fuck you up?
Speaker 1:Yep yeah, that's basically exactly what she did.
Speaker 2:So Northumberland, of course, is fucking outraged by this letter. And that evening the privy council drafts a letter in response to Mary's challenge for Jane to sign Jane to sign as, but it was sorry.
Speaker 1:Does I keep going? Yeah, I'm sorry, cuz I wrote this. I was just getting excited.
Speaker 2:Basically, it was telling Mary to come and take it.
Speaker 1:Ah, but Ian, how do we say this now, come, come and take it. Come and take it come on Ian, come and take it.
Speaker 2:Now this is the first letter that will show her signing as Jane the Queen. I feel like she was coerced. The same letter that would soon be used as evidence of treason against Jane. Which fucking dude. This poor girl, yeah, cuz you know she didn't want to fucking do that. She didn't want to.
Speaker 2:But the thing is either she advocated for Mary to be the ruler. She, she, she did everything right. It's just there's no phones, there's no internet. They don't know this from tens of hundreds of miles away. You know what I mean. So it's like this. I just it's tragic, it really is very, very tragic.
Speaker 1:We're gonna learn the that man. Poor Jane man. She's the reason for her own demise at the very end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's also 16 and should never have been fucking Queen.
Speaker 1:But this is well, she's 16 by the time she dies. She's 15 right now, right, yeah, so now, at this point, northumberland starts to recruit an army to be ready for a possible civil war. Now, at this time, there was no like Army that was on standby or anything just paid out of the people's taxes is. What would happen is when, and like a fight was pumped, coming up or some kind of war, the monarchs or the royalty and the nobles would start paying their people, yeah, like, and saying like, here's your rate to become a soldier.
Speaker 2:That's where, like the rally, the banners, like that kind of thing exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they would start paying these people like they're all contractors. All these soldiers are basically contract. Yeah, they're getting paid on a daily rate. So is what's happening here? Is Northumberland knows he's fucked Right or doesn't know he's fucked. He just knows that some this can be very bad. And we need a lot of people on our side and people are not already on our side because they don't believe in Jane. They under they, they, they're questioning.
Speaker 1:They're all for Mary, I feel so right, and so is what he does, is he pays double the amount of the daily rate for people to become part of the War faction here.
Speaker 2:I wish I just had that kind of money sitting around well, it's all the people's tax money. Yeah, now guys, if you could just start paying me taxes, that would be sick I have a cash at PayPal, whatever you need.
Speaker 1:Now, a couple days into being queen, jane was growing more and more confident. She started to appear as a strong and assertive woman, instead of this puppet that Northumberland thought she would be. When the crown was brought to Jane, she was alone and, according to the Lord Treasurer, he asked her to put it on just to try it out. Then the treasurer said that a new crown would be made for Guild, for since a king needs a crown In that moment, jane said no, she would make her husband a duke, not a king, which shout out Jane honestly at 15 years old yeah, bravo.
Speaker 1:Round of applause. Now Guilford he heard of this decision and he tried to tell her otherwise, but she stuck to her decision. She was like nope. And Guilford said fine, no crown, no sex, no sex, no children. And then he was carted off in a fit of rage. This, this was a huge, decisive turning point in the succession crisis. If Jane had played into this like Doss I'll puppet role and given up to the like, given her power over to Guildford, things probably would have turned out a little differently. For her.
Speaker 1:Maybe she wouldn't have gotten to the gallows or the Maybe the off with like maybe because what she does at the end it's like girl, you had a lot of chances here, now Northumberland, and the parents like oh I feel your pain.
Speaker 1:I'm seeing your pain and I fucking feel for her. But I'm like stop being stupid now. Northumberland and the privy council had fucked themselves over at this point Because at this point they had expected Jane to acquiesce the crown to Guildford and they predicted that Mary would just go silently. But they were so wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah so wrong and, once again, fucking men thinking that women are just gonna roll over. But it's like both of these women are extremely fucking smart, they're extremely well-equipped to do these jobs and it's just well. I mean, maybe Lady Jane well, jane actually did fine.
Speaker 2:She just I was gonna say Jane would have been fine as a queen if she had been given the chance. I feel like, yeah, but Mary also had the right to it. It was all this familial dispute, this whole. I want to be king, no, I want to be king and nobody's talking about the Queen, right, yeah, now, by Wednesday, july 12th, mary is gaining support from the local people outside of London at an unexpected pace and leading them through open country to a fortress that formed her East Anglian estates.
Speaker 2:Mary had two large advantages, one being that, since Protestantism was fairly new, there were large parts of the country that still held on to the traditional Catholic faith and in Mary they saw a champion of the old ways. The second being that most people in England saw Mary as the rifle heir. See, when her father, king Henry, had died, he had his own divisive succession that noted out that Mary, then Elizabeth, would succeed Edward if Edward were to die without a male heir. Most people looked at Jane as a usurper of the Tudor line and, as a result, an increasing number of people were rallying to Mary's side Protestant and Catholics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were like now this seems it's cuz. It's crazy, like the dedication to the crown. I was just thinking that is like nowadays sounding.
Speaker 2:I feel like now we're seeing a little bit more of attention being paid to politics and stuff like that, but ten years ago, with it, nobody gave, really gave that much of a shit. Like I mean, you look at the voting turnout in the United States, you know what I mean. I'm just trying to think of like, but I guess at the end of the day, the, the, the kings and the queens did have a damn direct effect On the, the peasantry, on the, yeah, everyday lives of the people. So they, they had a Stake in the matter, so to speak yeah.
Speaker 1:So I guess I would say that a lot of these Protestants were a lot of the people who had converted to Protestantism right, because there was like a regime Put out there to like you are Protestant or you will die, type of thing naturally, because Christians, exactly, you got to believe it our way.
Speaker 2:You can't just believe in our religion, but you have to believe in it the way that we believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's um what was it? The, the inquisit?
Speaker 2:Crusades, crusades the crusades. Well, the crusades were like Christians versus non-Christians. The inquisition, I feel like, was Christians versus Christians, right oh?
Speaker 1:God, I think it was more about Jews again.
Speaker 2:I'm testing your knowledge. I think.
Speaker 1:I don't know that's okay. I'm a state or Kamara.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1:Marlowe played him in a movie, and then it's there was a lot of death and basically every Torture museum you ever go to is gonna be like this is how this they use this in the inquisition and it's always women Always women were being tortured. Yeah, and they were witches.
Speaker 2:Well, they've always gotten the shit into the shaft. So while Mary's forces are growing Exponentially, the privy council is sitting in the Tower of London planning their move against her. Now what they decided to do was be complete and total dip shits fucking men. Yeah, they voted to have Queen Jane's father, who has no prior military experience, to lead the army against Mary like ah, blood like oh, she has peasants as people for her army.
Speaker 1:We have an army of people and so therefore, this no men, people who is high in ability can squash the other people out in the country and about as much sense as that made is about how much sense it makes. Thank you for correlating that.
Speaker 2:So back in the day, king Henry continuously chose not to include Henry Gray in any kind of military Operation because he knew that he lacked talent in determination.
Speaker 1:He was a fucking dutch. They're over here like well if it's God's will, we'll win.
Speaker 2:So let's just put this fuck wait in charge and call it good God. So he wanted things handed to him on a silver platter. He never wanted to work for anything. This is this is obviously Henry Gray.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is Lady Jane's great dad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now his daughter, jane, sits on the throne and he is being told that he will command the army, but luckily for Henry Gray, jane chose to save her father and replace him with Northumberland, which was a very unknowingly fatal decision. Yes with Northumberland gone leading the army, he would be able to be unable to keep the coup together, because now he was the glue between this whole thing really was and if he's not there, nobody knows what the fuck is supposed to be happening. Nobody's really in his plans.
Speaker 1:He is a Skilled politician. Yeah very skilled, like the man, like I said, worked himself off from a peasant to being Next to the king, like that is unheard of he is, which is what killed man as big of an asshole as Northumberland is.
Speaker 2:The Duke of Northumberland is, during this time, the guide. You got to give him some fucking credit man, it's got a brain going from peasantry to royalty in this time as amazing that is unheard of. Yeah, it's the American dream. It's kidding, I'm just kidding, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1:So it's he's also trying to protect Jane for his own. Personal reasons yeah but at the same time he can't just divulge that information to Jane. No, because then it's just this whole, because then there's a risk of Jane being like Well, I'm surrendering the crown to Mary, because this is just for your own profit, you fucking twat, and so he doesn't want to like you're holding a lie on both ends, yeah, and you're skilled enough to do it, but you can't but you're not good enough to do it and lead an army, exactly yeah you can't be doing that like that's just, it's not buddy, I have no choice.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't have a choice, so he's anybody. He is a very skilled military man, so he can actually get this job done. Yeah right, he can go up and take out Mary at this point because some shit starts changing. Yeah, so he. He is the best man for both jobs. And the other council are just like old decrepit man. They're like the other dude from the Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the really old guy, that actually. That is actually just fine. Yeah, it tends to be old. Yeah, what a fucking ass. I fucking hate that guy. I know he's a war, is pretty. Such a good actor, such a good actor.
Speaker 1:Now, the funniest part is that while Northumberland was heading out with about 3000 men at this point he expected an applause from the local people as they were departing London. Because as soon like when you're leaving to go to war and fight for the crown type of a thing people are like yes, yes, thank you.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, as he, as they would if they liked, the royalty and Exactly, and he was met with dead silence on the streets, crickets.
Speaker 1:Thousands of people were literally gathered on the streets watching these 3000 men in Northumberland lead them. And it was just Stairs, just angry fucking stairs at him.
Speaker 2:You know as crazy as all these people showed up to this thing?
Speaker 1:Just nothing better to do man.
Speaker 2:Well, except I'm gonna crop survive, I think. But yes, what's?
Speaker 1:their form of entertainment. Think of that, yeah execution.
Speaker 2:This is all. They don't have a movie theater, they don't have a.
Speaker 1:You know I mean they had their gestures and yeah that, I mean they had plays and theater and stuff well, peasant tree, on the other hand, I mean, a lot of them couldn't afford. Yeah, I mean it wasn't as grand as we can think of it. You know so, really, at this point, it's showing that this attempted coup was not popular among literally Everyone who wasn't a local noble, like all the nobles and wasn't even popular with the local nobles.
Speaker 2:I just didn't want to say shit about it.
Speaker 1:Well, it was. It was because they were all gaining from the Protestant grounds so I had money in this yeah and they were like, yeah, it's fine, this is fine.
Speaker 1:It always comes back to money. Now, at this time, the tide is truly turning into Mary's favor. So the country people this is really cool because the country people are, you know, they're still in a Catholicism most of them are and Also their country people. They're not in the hustle and bustle of London and these cities, so they are kind of treated like the ugly stepbrother or step kid of England right, and they look at Mary and also Elizabeth really, as They've also been mistreated through their lives of like disownment or, you know, you're illegitimate.
Speaker 2:They're identifying with her.
Speaker 1:They're identifying with her and they're rallying behind her cause because they're like oh, you've been through some shit and Now they're trying to usurp you and take, cut you out of the line of succession. We're not gonna take that. We see where we relate to you. So it's just amazing that, like she looks out at these people at this fort that she's gone to and In she sees all these people gathering, she's like these are the people that are gonna keep me on the crown. These are the people that are gonna like this is my kingdom.
Speaker 2:Well, the entire kingdom is behind her, except for the ones that Kind of directly can't, because there's people there that will nail your ears into a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So the biggest indication that the tide was turning in Mary's favor was an event with a well-respected sheriff of Norfolk and Suffolk, sir Thomas Cornwallis. What a white name. Everybody was white in England, I know but except for slaves, thomas.
Speaker 1:Cornwallis. Now he is currently backing Jane because the privy council had chosen Jane and Was supposed to give Jane a lot, like he was supposed to give Jane a large upper hand because he controlled a military faction in Mary's territory, right. So when someone in a marketplace in Mary's territory Claimed that Mary is the true Queen of England, cornwallis immediately protest the statement. And quickly Cornwallis realizes that he is in Dangerous. He has dangerously underestimated Mary's influence, support and popularity among the con common people. He actually begins like panic for his life that he's about to be killed by these people. Yeah. And he then makes a point of getting an audience with Mary and begs for her forgiveness.
Speaker 1:Okay smart guy Okay immediately losing, like and think of this for like the Jane side, northumberland, immediately losing this huge advantage that they have over Mary.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, and so this was actually like a really widespread effect. For the first time, the common people were actually able to rise up so quickly and effectively that it ended up forcing the nobles and politicians to be on the side of Mary. They got to dictate the side of the like. What the hell was going on. They're like it's amazing. It's really actually kind of a cool moment of history.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's a big, big moment. So, even though Mary has a growing support of nobles and countrymen, she does not have a true military power. Northumberland has her strategically surrounded ground and sea. But Bad luck slapped Northumberland right in the fucking face. The Navy was parked off the coast to prevent Mary from being able to make any moves towards London at Jane. But a very bad storm had come in one evening and forced the Navy ships to take refuge on shore. This story man, yeah, one of Mary's men was at a pub Discussing the Navy ships parked off the coast and discovered that they hadn't been paid in quite some time. So he traveled to where the captains of the Navy ships were taking refuge through the storm and fucking Convinced them to just switch over to Mary's side. Hey, what pay you?
Speaker 1:you mean, wait a second, I haven't been paid in two months. Look, you're paying me like now. Yeah, we even got beer, bro. It was just that quick. One bar conversation flipped the Navy bro.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what humanity has been built off of our conversations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how America was built, goddamn right.
Speaker 2:So so five of the six ships side, with Mary Imagine being the one ship. I think that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:I just don't think they got the news.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably Ship was on that ship or something like that yeah feeling. That's what happened. Yes so five of these six ships ended up siding with Mary. They removed their cannons and munitions from the ships and literally dragged them to Mary's fort where she is preparing for battle With Northumberland's men Sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're dragging the ship and the cannons from the ships. That's so crazy. The fort like that's. That's what you did back then. You just dragged this shit around.
Speaker 2:I'm over here thinking like where were the semi trucks? So now, so now, mary. She has the coast, the Navy and trained military men to operate the cannons in the blink of an eye. Mary has a much stronger force than Northumberland, to thank God for the storm, honestly, just so worse.
Speaker 1:Bad luck for Northumberland because honestly, he would have probably been like good at oh it changed the would have changed the course of English history.
Speaker 2:I feel like I think so. If that had that one fucking storm hadn't had. How many times has that happened over the course of human history? Where a storm?
Speaker 1:Changes the whole shit. Well, I mean, yeah, roanoke, just us talking like yeah, Roanoke had that happen.
Speaker 1:So with this coup the Perry Council were essentially Losing their shit. Yeah, I bet they weren't happy. They were like, oh no, now they were starting to realize they had made the wrong move. Jane, at 15 years old, understood the gravity of what was happening around her and realize the council was starting to crack and she couldn't control them. So if she couldn't control them she would lock them into the London Tower with her and have the keys to the fort Turned over to her. Hmm, so London was put in lockdown and the Tower of London was preparing for war.
Speaker 1:Northumberland at this point is getting pretty close to where Mary is dug in at our fort and he decides to wait for some Reinforcements. And he happens to wait two days at Cambridge and during that time the Navy men had moved their cannons to Mary's fort and Northumberland had no idea. So the news of the Navy's mutiny did reach the Privy Council in London, but they chose not to send word to Northumberland. At this point they are Strongly questioning their loyalty to Jane and to make matters worse for them, sir Edmund Peckham, treasurer of the Mint, who is on the council, has disappeared. No one knows where Mr Peckham is, but rumors are not Mr.
Speaker 1:Peckham, not Mr Peckham. Where is Mr Peckham Now? Rumors of where he went are spreading like wildfire. Reports start to come in that Peckham has assembled forces in Oxfordshire, buckinghamshire, berkshire and Middlesex, so they're just over here like hey, he's fucking everywhere. Yeah, basically yeah. And the thing is is that these forces were not for Jane but for Mary and, if the reports are true, that gave Peckham over 10,000 men ready to march on London and depose Jane.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of fucking people. That is a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now Jane is frantically writing letters to powerful landowners and powerful mobiles is a last-ditch effort to rally support for her as the true Queen. But these letters are way too late. As Northumberland begins to march into battle with Mary, he learns that he is outmanned three to one and is also outgunned due to the Navy's cannons. So instead of carrying on, he's like nope and he returns back to Cambridge.
Speaker 1:Nope, nope. And his last hope is that the privy council will rally reinforcements from the west of London, but he is completely unaware of the vast changes that have taken place in the tower.
Speaker 2:Dude. Okay, so I'm starting to understand what you're saying about Jane kind of starting to write her own funeral, if in the beginning of her rule, why she?
Speaker 1:was all about Mary. Now, why is she not even? Not even now, not even now like well. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2:So she's like, she's put on this, basically mask of Queen, and just like this is what God has told probably Because somebody took a fucking dagger to her throat was like I'm gonna slit your throat if you don't fucking play this role.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think. I don't think that happened. I don't think that happened at all. She very much took this role because when she was pressured by her parents and she went and confided in herself and she said that this was what God had intended like. God did this and she is very devout.
Speaker 1:I'm a higher life has done this, and so she's like this is by God's word, this is what I'm going to do, and she. That's why, all the sudden, she straightened her fucking back and she told her Guildford, no, you will not be king, you'll be a Duke, I will be the queen. God sent this job for me, yeah, and so she has a strong backbone at this point and she's like Mary is not to be queen. God has told me to be queen because Cath Catholicism is evil. Protestantism is the way of the is the way of religion.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. So at this point, members of the Privy Council were managing to slip away from the tower one by one, and the man that Jane had been relying on the most in the council to rally the reinforcements since Northumberland had left, and he basically turned his back on her too. This man was the Earl of Arundel, jane's uncle. Jane's uncle, mm-hmm, own fucking uncle. I know the 18th of July would be the last day of Jane's reign. On the 19th of July, the only ones left by Jane's side are her father, henry Gray, and her husband Guildford.
Speaker 2:The Privy Council held a secret meeting after they had all gotten free from the tower and decided to turn against North Umberland in order to try and keep their fortunes and stay alive. Of course they fucking did. The most important thing at this point for them was to get this news to marry themselves. In order to help do this, they announced to the people that Mary was the true queen, which in turn caused the people to roar and applause, and they began to celebrate. They fucking party, dude. Yeah, they party. Damn it, jane, like I feel for the girl oh, dude, it's.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's not a good she was just put into a shitty situation, absolutely.
Speaker 2:The council then had a military force go to the tower and tell Jane's father that Jane was no longer queen and Mary was to be queen by birthright.
Speaker 1:Oh, and this part's kind of sad because In the documentary they talk about like he's there at the gate and he just like basically shrugs her shoulder and he's like I am all but one man. What am I supposed to do? Yeah it's like I am one man against a country.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can't do anything. It's just a dad trying to keep his daughter alive. You know, I mean, I mean he was a dick, he was a fucking asshole, but he still loved his.
Speaker 1:He's still loved his daughter very much. Yeah, I do believe that, because of what we'll talk about here in a minute. Yeah, so Henry's the last one there, like him and his Guilford are the last ones there supporting her.
Speaker 2:She's so crazy. So Henry Gray went it, which it okay. I'm sorry, before I get into this next part, nobody in this family wanted any part of this other than the dad, kind of because that definitely will. Yeah, yeah kind of power as soon as he saw that there was responsibility, he was like a fuck that shit. Yeah but Jane didn't want any of this no. No no fucking start and she just was like she. She had her religious convictions, which you know. I'm agnostic.
Speaker 2:Whatever religious convictions there may be, whatever yeah but she had her religious convictions and she was like this is okay. So if I'm in this situation, this is what I got to do. Yeah, and it just Everybody left her side, even though they're the ones who put her there. Yeah, that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:Everyone who put her there has left.
Speaker 2:Henry Gray went to tell Jane that she was no longer Queen and, without a change of emotion, jane just asked her father Can I go home now, fuck?
Speaker 1:but I'm. But no, I know dude, I know.
Speaker 2:I know Unbeknownst to Jane, though, this fortress at the Tower of London had turned into her prison. Jane, her husband and her father are soon arrested and imprisoned within the tower, as if it was their fucking idea. God dude, history sometimes pisses me off. Sometimes, and I didn't know this about myself until we started doing this podcast and you started forcing me to learn about history- but like sometimes, history just pisses me off because it's like God. Mob mentality sucks.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, yeah, that's. It's a strong course of history.
Speaker 2:It's like and that's so tragic. Like she's just a little girl, she's 16. Yeah, she's 16 years old. If he was in America, she'd just be getting her license.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they get that. All you girls out there getting your license, don't listen to this podcast, oh you people who listen to this podcast to 30 years ago got your license. It's just sad man it is. It's so sad now when Northumberland hears the news that Mary is now the queen and that Jane has been deposed. He loses it. He knew that his days were numbered.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, fuck this guy first of all. First and foremost, fuck you. Northumberland is an ass rock on for you for coming from nothing to something. Awesome. Cool story, bro, but you fucking suck, you just fucking suck but I mean, think of this.
Speaker 1:So I mean you wonder how many people he fucked over on the way Well put yourself in his position. In this situation, at least he is Protestant. All of his ties, his power, his like, everything Ties into Protestantism. Edward's gonna die. He is going to die Whether or not it is Northumberland actually poisoning him to get his son there, or whether that he's realizing that there is this no-linus succession. It is all two women who are of Catholic faith, mary and Elizabeth right.
Speaker 1:Except Elizabeth turns the tide, goes back to Protestantism, but Mary is gonna be the first one up, and so he's like well shit, I'm gonna lose everything that I've fought for my entire life if this doesn't work. That's fair.
Speaker 2:So he does this whole thing. He went ahead and fucked over a 15-year-old in the process.
Speaker 1:Honestly, at the end of the day, you have an entire I blame the storm. I blame the storm.
Speaker 2:I blame the storm, but you do have the entire weight of the country on your shoulders and if you believe that Protestantism is the way to go forward and you are very, very, very, very much so in need, that's a habit, because that is your religious faith. I see where he's coming from. At the same time, god if God does exist would never want you to fuck over a 15-year-old girl in this kind of way. What do you mean?
Speaker 1:Do you not remember the story of his dad, J-.
Speaker 2:Abraham. Abraham that killed, almost killed his son. No, didn't kill him.
Speaker 1:Didn't kill him. Yeah, didn't kill him, but he still put his him in that mindset to kill his son. Jane died.
Speaker 2:Jane died, Abraham's son did not.
Speaker 1:I will put that difference in there. All right, that's fair. Where were you? God, god, god, I need you.
Speaker 2:Where's the frost?
Speaker 1:Well here's, oh, you know where. I know where he was. He doesn't care about women.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right, that's right, I forgot. I forgot. God hates women. That's why abortion isn't allowed in America.
Speaker 1:Let's go ahead and cross out. You know what, if we're gonna cross the line, Cooper, let's just go ahead and fucking cross the line.
Speaker 2:Let's make every.
Speaker 1:Christian hate us.
Speaker 2:Shout out Christians. You're not all assholes, just the ones that we're talking about.
Speaker 1:So at this point the Preview Council had traveled out to Mary to beg her for her forgiveness, To get this. They all got on their knees, they put daggers to their stomachs, just like the old fucking Samurais, and they were like if you want us to kill ourselves? We will but we're begging for your forgiveness. So she did. She forgave them all because she had wanted to forgive them all from the very get-go.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, mary's not an asshole. Mary's actually a pretty cool person, even though she has the name like Bloody Mary.
Speaker 1:she very much wanted to mend the country together and bring back Catholicism. That was one thing very for sure. But she wanted to forgive them right out of the way. She, right out of the gate, she sent that letter saying I will pardon you if you recognize me as the true queen.
Speaker 2:Yeah To my birthright. Yeah, that's right and it's probably.
Speaker 1:So she does forgive them, but decided to give the Earl of Arendelle, jane's uncle, one last task to arrest Northumberland. When Northumberland was brought back to London on July 25th, the streets were packed with people throwing rocks at him, calling him a traitor. Soon after, on August 3rd, mary arrived in London to take control of the tower, jane was placed in one of the officer houses to be imprisoned within the Tower of London's fort, and her husband, guilford, was placed in the Bechum Tower. Henry Gray ended up being pardoned because his wife, Jane's mother, was actually pretty close with Mary and she had managed to sway Mary that this coup was the work of Northumberland's manipulation, which is true. On August 22nd, northumberland was taken to Tower Hill, which is outside of the gates of London of Tower. The London of Tower, tower of London, where thousands of people had gathered In Northumberland was beheaded. I believe his head went on a pike on London Bridge.
Speaker 2:Ah, the London Bridge is falling down, falling down, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I'm pretty sure his head went on the London Tower.
Speaker 2:So they pardoned her dad. Yep, they fucked up Northumberland. So I'm getting the sense here, cooper, that Miss Jane's about to fuck up. Yep yep, yeah well.
Speaker 1:It's not gonna get great for Jane here, but she has it, sounds like she has it. Look at it. Let's just get into it. Let's just get into it To me and probably to the listeners.
Speaker 2:It sounds like she has it out here. I'm interested to see what happens. Let's go A few months later. On November 3rd, jane was released from the Tower for the first time since she had entered it as queen for her trial of treason. Can you imagine that?
Speaker 1:That she walked into the Tower of London and never got to leave again, as it like before. She walked into it as the queen of England and she is now leaving to go to her fucking trial.
Speaker 2:Yeah, out of shit. That was not her fault. Yeah, yeah, not her fucking fault. Now, hindsight is 20-20, you know, and honestly we weren't there she might've had more to play in it than meets the eye. Well, we'll go into it, we'll go into it. So this trial or, I'm sorry, this was not a trial where they were trying to figure out if she was innocent or guilty. It was more of a morality play. She wore a black dress and had her prayer book hanging from her belt, essentially setting herself up as an example of Protestant peaty. She and her husband, guilford, were tried together and found guilty of treason Together. Both were sentenced to death. Jane was to be either burned at the stake or beheaded, at the discretion of Queen Mary. Guilford was to be hanged, drawn and quartered.
Speaker 2:Now, I'm so excited for you to read this description because, if those of you who don't know, whoo yeah for those of you who don't know what this pleasant method of execution was, let's go ahead and just lay it out for you. First comes the hanging. They would hang you almost to the point of death, because there is that point where you stop struggling but you're still alive and then remove the rope. Second was the emasculation, where they would then cut off the penis and the scrotum Gotta get them both. Gotta get them both. And then, third, disembowelment. That's where you cut open and remove your intestines, which would then be placed on display for the crowd, because this was a crowd activity. After you just watched your guts literally leave your body, they would behead you and then finally quarter you, where each limb is cut away from your torso. Your remains would then be put on display across the country, just like the London Bridge, serving as a warning for traders.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pleasant, very pleasant right.
Speaker 2:How long?
Speaker 1:ago was this. This was 500 years ago, that's not that long, that is not that long, it's actually not even 500 years ago.
Speaker 2:I have been alive for 26 years. It feels like just yesterday I was born. Let's go ahead and multiply that by 20. Here we are, yep Hang drawn and quartered baby.
Speaker 1:That is the way to go.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:So let's look at the big question here. Was the 15 year old Lady, jane Gray, guilty of high treason? Legally, absolutely yeah. She made significant moves as the act of Queen. She signed numerous documents, locked her privy council into the Tower of London. She sent Northumberland to dispatch Mary. She asserted herself as Queen. So yes, legally Jane was guilty as fuck Right. But to everyone's surprise, mary actually fought against having Jane executed.
Speaker 2:That's a my surprise. I feel like Mary and Jane didn't have beef. I feel like there really wasn't beef between them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. But it's just kind of one of the things where it's kind of expected Like, hey, we're just gonna execute you as an example. Now she was to bring like I was talking about. She wanted to bring the country together and not divide it whenever it was possible. But the problem was Jane. She would not renounce her Protestant faith and was ready to die for it. Hmm, mary, leave it to fucking God. Uh-huh. Now Mary is, of course, re-establishing Catholicism to the country and bringing back Catholic mass. Jane is absolutely outraged at this and describes the Catholic mass as a satanic cannibalism act and wants people to stand against it and fight. So she decides to write an open letter to a former tutor of hers that has converted back to Catholicism and says that the people should rise against in Christ's war.
Speaker 2:Rise again in Christ's war, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:But Mary still looks past this letter and refuses to sign off on Jane's death warrant. So many chances and also didn't sign off on Gilbert's death warrant. They're still both not like signed to death. They're convicted, but she has the final say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I will say, like you and I, we have our opinions on religion, and I'm sure that we've made it clear over the time, like we're not so much that religion guides our life, we're not very enthused by it. Right so? But for somebody who is, say, jane, who thinks that God put her on the throne, I can see why she would do that.
Speaker 1:I can see why she would do that. Yeah, I mean she was devout To us.
Speaker 2:We're like oh, we would just fucking say ah, fuck it, yeah, no wait, go Catholicism. But like to her.
Speaker 1:That's her whole life, yeah, and I mean there's a lot of fucking other people that converted back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I just signed to the you know, read the room girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:All right when you put it like that.
Speaker 1:You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:You're absolutely right. While Jane was still in prison, in January of 1554, another plot against Mary was forming. A Protestant man named Thomas or, I'm sorry, thoman Wyatt had gathered about 4,000 men to march on London and remove Mary from the throne. Of course, jane probably knew nothing about this, but either way, she was implicated, and it wasn't because of simple assumption. It was because of her own fucking father, who decided to join and guide these men to try and overthrow Mary. I take everything back that I said about him. Yep, damn it, henry. But you know what? He's a good dad, he is a great dad.
Speaker 1:Well, he's trying to save his daughter At this point. He's just trying to save his daughter. He doesn't know what's going on. You know, yeah, but I don't know. He's pretty high up there in the nobility, so he probably did know.
Speaker 2:I don't know, the message is traveled a lot slower back then he doesn't sound smart.
Speaker 1:He sounds like he can be easily swayed.
Speaker 2:He's a dopey but lovable dad.
Speaker 1:I guess so.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So these men did not succeed, and the ones who were captured, including Henry Gray, her father, were either hanged or hanged, quartered and drawn.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:They were either hanged or hanged, drawn and quartered. So they either got just the news or they got the news and so much more. Yes, Billy Mays here, but wait, there's more. Billy Mays, Not only are we gonna hang it, we're gonna cut off your dick and feed it to you.
Speaker 1:Hanged, drawn and quartered was specifically only for men, by the way. Well, yeah, because men have penises. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:How can you, how can you draw on a vagina?
Speaker 1:You don't. You burn it at the stake, yeah just like Joan of Arc. Not Joan of Arc, she was also. Joan of Arc was schizophrenic man.
Speaker 2:I feel bad for her.
Speaker 1:Now, what Mary realized with this overthrow attempt was that Jane had turned into a rallying cry for the rebellious Protestants throughout the country, and Mary could no longer let her live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day it's. I don't blame her.
Speaker 1:She gave her every fucking chance. On February 7th 1554, mary signed the death warrant for Jane and Guildford. They were both to be executed in five days time. Guildford would be hanged, drawn and quartered first, and then Jane would be beheaded afterward. Executions that were associated with the Tower of London happened outside of the castle on Tower Hill in full public view, so that people could watch justice being done, just like it was with Northumberland.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so Guildford would be executed in public view, but Jane was so privileged that she was to be executed behind the castle walls, away from the public view. She is one of 22 people that were executed behind the walls Ever, ever. That's crazy In history. She's one of like six women.
Speaker 2:I mean, at least she got that, At least she got that. I guess, but you got the other day. You're still getting fucking beheaded. Yeah, Would I rather be beheaded in front of a group of 20 people or a group of 5,000 people.
Speaker 1:At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter you put a blindfold on it, I'm still getting beheaded. Yeah, yeah, and I'm pretty sure you can't hear the noise, you know. Yeah, because you're just ear in a panic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure the adrenaline rush is very real.
Speaker 1:Now, the first hand account of Jane's execution is written in the Chronicle of the Queen Jane, written by someone who is present in the Tower. Jane was nothing at all abashed with fear of her own death, neither with the sight of the dead carcass of her husband. She came forth with the lieutenant leading her in the same gown she had reigned. Neither her eyes moistened with tears, although two gentle women wonderfully wept. Jane carried a book in her hand and she prayed all the way till she came to the scent scaffold. Now, another source within the Chronicle says that she came to her execution with the greatest fortitude and godliness. On February 12th 1554, the axe fell and Jane was beheaded in one clean stroke.
Speaker 2:Hey, good aim on the executioners part. Yeah, typically it's like two strokes, three strokes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we could talk about at some point something of executioners, but typically they would pay the executioners a little bit so that it would be done in one clean stroke instead of making it very bad. It's like a bonus.
Speaker 2:It's like a bonus that they get a commission.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, because I mean they're looking at them and they're like I don't know, maybe it'll come down in one clean stroke, maybe it'll take a few. I don't know. My pocket's feeling a little light today, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's so dark, it's so fucked up.
Speaker 1:The life of an executioner is gnarly man. And did you know? Executioners? They got the first choice as to the wardrobe of the dead. Oh, so, because typically people would show up to their execution and their finest attire. Yeah, but that covers the neck. No no no, no, no, no. It's just like a shirt and a gown, Like there's not the puffy shit and whatever.
Speaker 1:They take all that it needs to be a clean I want to make sure it's a clean head, but the executioner so if they're like you wore a very nice shirt or something in your mail, the executioner would just take your shirt.
Speaker 2:That is now your shirt. Oh, that's what you mean. Like he would just get their clothes.
Speaker 1:He got whatever he want. He got first right of refusal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to be fair, and who else would you give it to?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's yeah. Executioners are crazy world.
Speaker 2:Now, if you go to almost any website to read about Lady Jane Graham, you will see a more descriptive, heartfelt story that was crafted after her death in order to make her the perfect Protestant martyr by an underground Protestant press.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is everywhere. So when I found this out at the end of the documentary on the real truth history on YouTube, these historians are talking about it and this is literally on every website and it's crazy why it's on every website. But if you go to like Wikipedia, if you go to literally thetoweroflondoncom, it is. This is the way that she dies and it's a good story. But it's not real. Take it over, it's. It's do this next part yeah, it's. This is all to make her more of a martyr, essentially. So what it says is shall I say the Psalm? And he says yes. Then she said the Psalm of Miseré Maudisse, which is Psalm 51. I don't know how to pronounce that. I think it's French for some reason. I don't, I could be totally wrong, I don't know. Anyways, and she said this Psalm in English in the most devout manner to the end.
Speaker 1:Then she stood up and gave her maid, mistress Tindley, her gloves and handkerchief In her book to master Thomas Bridges, the Lieutenant's brother. The hangman then kneeled down and asked her forgiveness, whom she gave most willingly. Then he willed her to stand upon the straw, which doing she saw the block and then she said I pray that dispatch me quickly. Then she kneeled down, saying will you take it off before I lay me down, referring to her head. And the axman answered no, madam. She tied the handkerchief around her eyes. Then, feeling for the block, she said what shall I do? Where is it? And one of the standards by guided her there unto. She laid her head down upon the block and stretched forth her body and said Lord, into thy hands, I commend my spirit. And so she ended. So this was historically edited in 1850. 1850 by historian John Goff Nicholas, because he had seen the French painter Paul Del Roche's painting of Lady Jane being shown where the block was while blindfolded. And this painting, it was painted 250 years after her death.
Speaker 1:And this painting is. It's a beautiful painting, but it is completely wrong. The only thing that is correct within this painting is the straw that's on the fucking ground. It shows that she's in the cellar and her mom's behind her, all passed out, and that the hangman's just chilling there and there's this priest helping her find her hands. It's completely fiction and romanticized, yeah. And so this historian, john Goff Nicholas, decides that this is fact. He's seen this beautiful artwork and so he. Actually I didn't know historians had this power, but apparently his word is law of history.
Speaker 1:They don't have this power, but this man did In 1850, well, okay, they don't have this power anymore. He changed the text surrounding the circumstances of her death and that blew me the fuck away because it is. Whatever he changed is like, I guess, law of the archives Interesting. It's crazy. And all these modern historians are like that's not right, that's not how it went. Yeah, that is not anything close to how it went at all. She went very brave, very strong, very assertive, very like I am dying for my cause, which honestly go Fucking gung-ho girl, like props to you, I guess you know like you could have averted death. You could have just said alright, I'm going to Catholicism, I'm still praying to God I just got to talk to a pope now, but Like it's just, I don't know, it's crazy, like this is so crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So when Queen Mary the first ascended the throne after Lady Jane Gray, she aimed to restore Catholicism in England. After the short-lived Protestant rule of Jane Gray, mary, a devout Catholic, sought to reverse the religious reforms initiated by her father, henry the 8th. I'm getting better at Roman numerals.
Speaker 1:Yes, you are so proud of you, I know and her half-brother, edward the 6th. She aimed to reestablish the authority of the pope and the Catholic Church in England during her reign, which lasted from 1553 to 1558 we will do an episode on bloody Mary, because such a long rain five whole years and she fucked some people oh yeah, dude Mary, okay, like she was cool in this story, but they haven't she wild?
Speaker 2:Yes, so Mary Implemented policies aimed at reinstating Catholicism. She repealed Protestant laws, restored papal authority and Returned to England to communion with Rome. Her efforts included significant persecutions of Protestant dissenters, earning her the nickname bloody Mary due to the Executions of numerous Protestant leaders and adherents.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was pretty rough, yep, mary. Mary's marriage to Philip II of Spain was also part of her attempt to strengthen Catholic ties and restore Catholicism in England. However, this marriage and her religious policies faced opposition and led to discontent among many in the in England, because he's from Spain and Spain was like England's enemy. Yeah, especially like. Yeah, you know, like the, you know the piracy is Spain, in England and they're fighting each other like.
Speaker 2:It was more like.
Speaker 1:Now, mary's reign was marked by religious turmoil and and a struggle for religious dominance. Her efforts to restore Catholicism were met with resistance and Her reign ended upon her death in 1558, despite her intentions. The subsequent reign of her half-sister, elizabeth the first, marked a return to Protestantism and a reversal of many of Mary's religious policies.
Speaker 2:Jane's impact lies in being a pawn in the power struggles of the time, caught between conflicting religious and political interests. Her attempted reign symbolized the fragility of succession rules, religious tensions and the struggle for power within the Tudor era. Though her rule was short-lived, jane Gray's place in history is notable as a figure representing the complexities of female succession, religious strife and the shifting dynamics of power during the Tudor period. Her legacy as the nine days Queen Remains a mournful episode illustrating the intricate political landscape and challenges of succession in 16th century England.
Speaker 1:Bam Isn't that crazy? Is it her story crazy?
Speaker 2:It's short, but it's crazy. It's crazy there's. What's wild is that this is like the shortest time span I think that we've ever covered in an episode. Absolutely, look at where we're at. Oh my god, I know the recording time on this episode, we'll do some editing, it'll probably be around the same time or a little bit longer than an hour.
Speaker 1:30.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but but we? We have spent almost two hours recording this episode and we've never done that before.
Speaker 1:Yes, so that's kind of part of the reason of like why it's a day late is because I'm sick.
Speaker 2:If you can't tell, Cooper might have forgotten to edit out a few coughs here and there, and I got Cooper sick, so I'm still kind of sick and so we're both sick, we're out of town and it was like, yeah, like this story was too good not to tell, right?
Speaker 2:no, and I'm happy that you did because, honestly it's there's not a lot of. Okay, I'm sorry there is a lot of things in history that fucking pissed me off. But this one genuinely pissed me off, like, yeah, just the situation that this poor girl was put into and she really did, to her credit, try her best, and I have to put myself in the shoes of somebody who's very religious and be like, yeah, if I believed in something that much, I'd probably be willing to die for it too. Yeah, and so the fact that she at such a young age I'm ten years older than she was when she passed yeah, and and and, for somebody to have that kind of conviction at that age Just is a testament to how strong of a human this person really was she might have fucked up, but that's due to her being 16 years of age yeah, that's not due to her any, any character fault.
Speaker 2:That's just due to lack of experience, you know, and she died for it. That's what sucks. Yes, pisses me off. Man Fucking Northumberland asshole.
Speaker 1:Oh, that fucking piece of shit, he's yeah.
Speaker 2:Great rags to riches love that. Yeah, hey, what he did with it, but I love that he did it.
Speaker 1:All right, so what do we got to do here? Um, ladies and gentlemen, by the way, we are going to take a break in January. Yeah, I am going to be out of town like a lot or your land. I'll be an oil and see in my lady friend.
Speaker 2:Say Ireland, I guess. Everyone knows that we're actually talking about Ireland and not some random place and it's just we won't be able to deliver the same quality.
Speaker 1:So we're still gonna give you Episodes throughout December, but then there will be a little sabbatical in January.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'll be hanging out at home with the cats while Cooper gets to look at the cool Irish mountains. Yeah, don't go yeah don't go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm gonna get to see the cliffs of Ireland fucking hate me I see, I'm gonna see castles and I see Dublin.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna see Galway.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna see Cliffs.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna be here, I'm gonna see really cold fucking water taking, taking care of the cats. That's what I'll be doing.
Speaker 1:But yeah, when we come back in February that we have a fucking plan.
Speaker 2:Cooper is working so hard on it, and I can't wait to reap the benefits.
Speaker 1:That's a book.
Speaker 2:He's got this novel on his desk about what we're gonna be talking about. We can't tell him. I know I've got a couple episodes to lead into it.
Speaker 1:We got some really fun episodes coming up. Yeah, I'm so excited to like do those ones. Yeah, they definitely won't be as long as this one, but they're gonna be very fun. End of the year, you know like thank you for sticking with this through shit.
Speaker 2:Cooper, we've been around like seven months now. Oh, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, not a year, not as close. I thought, maybe nope.
Speaker 2:No, god, it seems like a fucking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're gonna do that. But thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for kind of bearing with us and your patience for the day late episode and my sickness and all of that stuff and Ian sickness.
Speaker 2:Are you down with the sickness oh?
Speaker 1:There we go.
Speaker 2:Sorry, we'll get copyright stricken with by perfectly in tune voice.
Speaker 1:All right, ian. What do you got to say to the oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, follow us on all the social Bullshit's. Go to drinking our way through history, calm, and you can follow us all there. Ian, what do you have to say to the kids?
Speaker 2:Well, guys, if you made it this far in the episode, first of all, I know for a fact you're out there doing something just to listen into this in the background and I appreciate the shit. You are a goddamn Champion and we couldn't ask for nothing more. Make sure you hit those like buttons, those subscribe buttons, all that bullshit, because it really does help us out. Cooper puts a lot of effort into these episodes and I put about 20 minutes of effort into these episodes until we record it, so we really do appreciate it at the from the bottom of our hearts. So thank you so much, and Cooper, what else?
Speaker 1:stay beautiful Bitches cuz. We fucking love you.
