Drinking Our Way Through History
Step into a time-traveling adventure with Drinking Our Way Through History, where Cooper and Ian uncork the fascinating secrets of the past. Embark on an enlightening and uproarious podcast experience as they uncover legendary figures, awe-inspiring sites, captivating spectacles, and remarkable events, all with a quirky blend of humor, intrigue, and heartwarming tales. Sip along as we immerse ourselves in history's intoxicating depths, turning moments of the past into unforgettable memories. Cheers to an epic journey!
Drinking Our Way Through History
Episode 32: The Dyatlov Pass Incident - A Cold Case in the Ural Mountains
Ever wondered how nine seasoned hikers could meet their end in the Ural Mountains under circumstances so strange they'd give a Yeti chills? In this episode we tell a tale that's kept armchair sleuths and conspiracy theorists at the edge of their seats for decades. Cling to your parkas as we recount the haunting Dyatlov Pass Incident and dissect the bewildering evidence left in the snow, from the hikers' unexplained injuries to the whispers of a Soviet cover-up. Bring your skepticism and your curiosity; you'll need them both.
We'll navigate the theories that have snowballed since that fateful night in 1959, scrutinizing everything from the mysterious lights in the sky to the macabre state of the bodies discovered. As we sift through chilling journal entries and autopsy reports, we'll consider whether the explanation lies in an avalanche, the hands of Soviet forces, or perhaps something more otherworldly.
Was it a terrifying natural phenomenon that sent these hikers to their untimely deaths, or are the threads of a darker narrative woven into the fabric of this Soviet-era mystery? Grab a drink and settle in; this is one history lesson that promises no easy answers, just the thrill of the chase in the coldest case you'll ever encounter.
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Speaker 1:So, ladies and gentlemen, if you would have followed through the Instagram account there and the face space as well, I did note that we were going to be a little bit delayed because we were trying to record in mom's basement for the holidays, because we were out of town and, honestly, the audio fucking sucked. It was just, it was just so bad. It was so bad. And you know what we do quality over quantity here. Yes, that is what we're here about. We want a strong, good fucking drink. I don't want no water down bullshit. Yeah, I want to get my face and get you know an extra click or two.
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Speaker 1:So, ladies and gentlemen, this is going to come out on the first of the year and then we are going to be back, just as, like a heads up into the episode, we're going to be back towards the end of February because we're I'm going to be out of town. So, anyways, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to drinking our way through history, where we cover the legendary people, places, spectacles and events that history has to offer, while enjoying a thick pour of whiskey. I am Cooper and I am Ian. In today's episode, we will be discussing the Diet Love Pass Incident. In January 1959, a team of young hikers led by Igor Diet Love began a fatal expedition deep into the Ural Mountains. Ten days into their journey, they reached the peak known to the locals as the Dead Mountain. That's so scary.
Speaker 1:The Dead Mountain, they're like hey, yeah, yeah, that's the one we want. Yeah, that's where I'd go. But in the dead of night, for unknown reasons, the hikers cut their way out of their tent and fled down the mountain half dressed, wearing nothing to keep them alive for a duration in the extreme winter conditions.
Speaker 2:Just going out for a little naked wakey bake.
Speaker 1:Just see, that's all it was Just going out for a little naked wakey bake.
Speaker 2:That's all they wanted to do. You know, just you're like you know what?
Speaker 1:There's never a better time, man. It's because we smoke. A pole in our underwear bro Out in negative 30 degree temperatures. Yeah, I love that. It's super windy too, right? Yeah, absolutely Awesome, this will definitely work.
Speaker 1:Yes, weeks after they were due to report back, search parties were sent out to find the now missing hiking party. The hikers were eventually found more than a mile away from their tents oh, just one tent, not tents, sorry. Singular, singular tent. One of them suffered inexplicable injuries, ranging from cuts and bruises to fractured skulls, broken ribs, even missing eyes and a missing tongue, mmm. The Soviet government hurried the investigation efforts and sealed the record, stating that the hikers had only frozen to death, fanning the flame for conspiracies to arise. Numerous conspiracy theories have swirled around this incident, ranging from UFO abductions to encounters with the Russian Yeti, bizarre weather anomalies, outright murder and even allegations of a cover-up by the Soviet government. In this episode, we'll dive into the sequence of events that led to that fateful night, examining the aftermath in detail in an attempt to piece together a logical conclusion to one of Russia's most enduring mysteries.
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Speaker 1:So there are a multitude of sources out there that talk about this. Now we went with the newest documentary, 2021, an unknown compelling force, and then dilatovpasscom that shit is your Bible on this incident. Mmm, if you want to know anything and everything about this, they have it, from what the fuck happened back in the day to what these people are doing now. So it's very impressive. A lot of details, lots of pictures. If you want to go there and see all the gruesome fucking details, check out.
Speaker 2:Love the pictures yeah.
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Speaker 2:Are you excited to get into this frozen mystery? I'm Stokeronid man. It's going to be great. I'm Stokeronid Cooper. Where do all things begin?
Speaker 1:Dawn of Time, the beginning.
Speaker 2:Okay, yep, 1959. I go, dietlov, a 20 gore. In 1959, igor Dyatlov, a 23-year-old student studying radio engineering at the Euro Polytechnical Institute, embarked on a challenging expedition with a team of nine seasoned hikers. These individuals weren't just casual adventurers. They were highly skilled, aiming to achieve a top tier grade three certification, which was a significant feat in the Soviet Union, and it was earned by traversing grueling 190 miles collectively. It's actually at the time was their top tier certification for hikers.
Speaker 1:And it's not just like they went when we say grueling 190 miles, like trekking that is, it's not like just going through a hike one day rushing wilderness blizzards it's like you are doing some shit, you are hiking some extreme shit in extreme weather, and so yeah, these guys were all extremely like well-versed.
Speaker 2:They knew what they were fucking doing.
Speaker 1:They really did, yeah, and these are not amateur. This is not amateur hour.
Speaker 2:No, no. Their meticulously planned route, greenlit by the Sferdloft City Sport Committee, was an ambitious trek leading towards the imposing Otorten Mountain in the Northern, in the Northern Euro Mountain Range. The group opted for this category three expedition to be in February.
Speaker 1:Because fucking, why not Of course.
Speaker 2:Of course that meant that they wouldn't be confronting the harshest winter conditions to test both their physical endurance and survival skills. The harshest winter conditions in fucking Russia, in.
Speaker 1:Russia? Yeah, and this is so. If you look at Russia on a map, it's on the western side. It's kind of like southeast of Moscow in those mountains. So just Google Euro Mountains and you'll see that place.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, there it is.
Speaker 1:I was like, I swear to God, I had to burp. I really thought you had to burp. No, no, no, I had to burp.
Speaker 2:I had to burp. That's that that, na Stella Artois. Now, on January 23rd 1959, the Dietlov Group received their Root Book detailing their course along what was called the Number Five Trail.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now it's not that plain and simple of a name, no.
Speaker 2:Without hesitation, they departed from Sferdloft City on the same day, fully geared up for the expedition, ready for the challenges ahead.
Speaker 1:They just weren't ready for the challenge of death. No, no, no, death comes later. This is oh man. I mean they were just so hungry and eager. So Ian and I come from Colorado and we know these kind of people. Yeah, I've met some people that are just all about those they're so ready to just be in the extremities of shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the extremities of shit, not just in the shit. The extremities of the shit, yes.
Speaker 1:Now, on this chilling morning of January 25th 1959, after a train journey, the group reached Ivdel, a town nestled in the heart of the northern Sferdloft-Ablast province. From there, they hitched a ride on a truck heading to Vis High, a remote village known as the final inhabited spot to the north. Arriving in Vis High, they bunk down for the night, stocking up on loaves of bread to fuel their energy for the impeding hike Impending. Thank you, I don't know what I would do without you, you said impeding.
Speaker 2:I mean I guess it was a pretty impeding hike. It impeded their fucking lives it did.
Speaker 1:So you know what I'm not wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I am right in my dyslexia?
Speaker 2:Yes, all right yes.
Speaker 1:In my lack of pronunciations, dyslexia. Thank you, let's stay in it. The next day, january 27th, marked the beginning of their journey towards Mount Gora or Torton. They had one of the locals at the settlement go with them to the next settlement so that he could use his horse to trek their baggage while the group ski-hiked for seven fucking hours to the next pit stop. All in a day's work. This next pit stop, by the way, where they just decided to camp out, was the Russian Gulags, nice, one of the like. It had just been abandoned, like seven years prior. Where are my war zone players at? Y'all know the Gulags, you know the Gulags.
Speaker 2:They're not that fun. That's not how they say it. They're not fun, they're pretty bad places. Pretty bad places. Yeah, I mean, if you're a guard, it's better Not great, but it's better. It's pretty rough. You're not the one getting tortured, you're just really really cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were probably hungry. So there's a story that I heard about the Russian guards from a Gulag and what they would do is a logging thing is. So they would be at this extreme steep slope and they would be chopping these trees down and what they would do is they would make bets on when the tree starts falling down the hill and who's going to die, and they would pick on which one the tree would take out. And that was their fun for the day.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you don't have TV, so Just fucking kill these prisoners. And you guys say television leads to violence.
Speaker 1:Violence has been around.
Speaker 2:Violence led to television.
Speaker 1:Honestly, yeah, you know what? Yeah, maybe we just made a breakthrough. We do. Yeah, that is a good breakthrough More violent video games. Yeah, I think, because this shit was fucked up. Yeah, and we're like Rape and Nankin, unit 731, and we will talk about the Gulags at some point. We're going to be preaching, you know. Gta 6 just can't come soon enough, right, right.
Speaker 2:It would have been nicer if they had some you know civilians to shoot up in a video game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know you got to get the release out somehow. You know, Unfortunately, but also fortunately for one of the expedition people, Yuri Yudin. He had gotten like sick and the injuries that he had previously had started getting him getting to him due to the cold Joint pain, back pain, yeah, and it just was flaring up. It just was not great and he also had an ankle injury. That was just not doing well for him, so he had to bow out for the rest of the trek.
Speaker 2:Lucky man.
Speaker 1:Unknowingly lucky. Now there was an emotional goodbye from him to the group, because all these people are psycho and they're like I can't wait to freeze my nut sack off. Yes, it's going to be so fun. So he was still excited for the rest of the group to finish the trip. Now funny thing or not really funny, but cool thing is that Yuri actually died in 2013 at the age of 75, but he never knew still what like happened truly to these his expedition friends, and he was also buried at the cemetery where all his friends were buried for this incident.
Speaker 2:It came full circle. It came full circle. All his deformed, mutilated friends. So sad. Now the group of nine now continued on and past the frozen Las Vegas River, stopping for the night where they spent their first night in their tent. They started a fire, made some dinner and sang some heartfelt songs and talked about love to shoot and shoot in the shit with their friends.
Speaker 1:It's the best time I mean it's like anytime you're going camping like you end up talking about real shit, you know, like you get into real, actual conversations. It's totally get it, yeah.
Speaker 2:You ever?
Speaker 1:like have an experience or anything, when you were like in scouts, like you know, you all sitting around the campfire actually shooting the like the real shit.
Speaker 2:No, because so by the time I got into scouts they weren't as cool as when you were in scouts. You went to scouts with a pretty cool group of kids and the troop was pretty cool. It was cool when I went. They were like man, you know, earning another merit. Man, you're talking about marijuana.
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah fuck you.
Speaker 2:You smoke up, motherfucker.
Speaker 1:Marijuana ran a badge on the way. I had one guy in the venture patrol that's like the teenage group of the Boy Scouts. He would walk around with this Walmart shirt. It was a smiley face and it had a bullet hole right in the front and the night at the shirt was the back end of the smiley face Was another bullet hole.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it was like exploded out, like it was a hollow point, bullet, cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was pretty dope.
Speaker 2:That is pretty cool. Yeah, I wouldn't have gotten away with that.
Speaker 1:No, no, and his dad was the troop master.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's great, no wonder you had so much fun.
Speaker 1:It was a blast. Yeah, those guys are great.
Speaker 2:As they camped in the indigenous Manzi territory that night, they recorded a group diary entry.
Speaker 1:January 30th 1959. And, by the way, I'm not going to do this in a Russian accent because it keeps slipping in Scottish when I tried it. Yeah, yeah, I'll slip into like Slovakian or like whatever Dracula is. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like a swamp with suckered blood.
Speaker 1:It's their neighbors, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, close enough.
Speaker 1:Temperature tonight negative 26 Celsius, which is about negative 15 Fahrenheit.
Speaker 2:They clarified that in the journal entry.
Speaker 1:The forest gradually thins and trees get smaller. You can feel the altitude. There's a strong West wind. It blows the snow off the cedar and pine trees, creating the impression of snowfall. As usual, we quickly start a fire and pitch the tent on some fur bridges.
Speaker 2:Some fur bridges. You pitched the tent on some fur bridges.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you Koop, yeah you pitched a tent with those fur bridges over there. Fur bridges are my favorite.
Speaker 2:Alright, they are fine. There's the Scottish. There's the Scottish.
Speaker 1:Pitch the tent on some fur branches. Thank you.
Speaker 2:It's just funny that you're pitching the tent and then the bridges, because you know what pitching a tent is. Pitching a tent, any bridges?
Speaker 1:Boner hey man, there are two girls on this trip. Oh yeah, well, they couldn't pitch a tent, they don't have a big penis. At first there's two girls and eight guys and then now it's two girls and seven guys.
Speaker 2:By the way, because you're a left. Yep, yep, yep. This is the sequel to two girls, one cup. Sorry, I'm trying to finish this fucking entry here.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I'm done bantering I'm done. Okay, back to setting the move. We are warmed by the fire and go to sleep.
Speaker 2:That's it. That was beautiful.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Really, really good, Honestly flawless execution. Now, while the hikers were traveling, they created their own little newspaper kind of thing for fun called the Evening Oortortan. In this newspaper there was one headline and one photograph that would create conspiracy theories across the world the Russian Yeti, the headline reads Science.
Speaker 1:In recent years, there has been a heated debate about the existence of Yeti. According to recent reports, yeti lives in the northern Urals near Oortortan Mountain. So fun, I know, I know.
Speaker 2:Adding to this fun little headline, they had taken a few out of focus photos of a blurred man like figure in the trees. That does resemble what we all have come to know as the Yeti or, you know, american Bigfoot. But if you take off the conspiracy tinfoil hat you can clearly see that this is just a bunch of young kids simply having a good time. The pictures even seem to be intentionally out of focus to make it look like a real Yeti.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I mean, you can tell, because the photos that they did take were really good, right, and then there's just like this one out of focus, one to be.
Speaker 2:Of course they're making fun of the whole, like yeah, out of focus photo of aliens or of Yeti or of Bigfoot, you know exactly.
Speaker 1:They're just kids having fun. I mean, all these kids are in their early 20s. And then one of the other Uries, I think is, I think, one of the early Uries. He's in his late 30s, he tagged along and but he fit in perfectly with this group.
Speaker 2:Now, what does that?
Speaker 1:say about him. If you want to know more about Bigfoot, go check out our previous episode on the Bigfoot lore we do have one of those.
Speaker 2:Now they had another headline on this humorous newspaper titled Philosophical.
Speaker 1:Seminar on the topic of love and tourism Takes place daily on the 10 premises. In parentheses, central Hall, lectures are given by Dr Thielbieu and postdoctorate of love science Dubinina. Oh poor Dubinina, I know Dubinina does not. Oh man, it's rough yeah.
Speaker 2:On January 31st, one day before the incident, Igor Dyatlov wrote the last diary entry anyone would leave in the group.
Speaker 1:Today the weather is a bit worse, with the wind and snow. Until now we walked along a Monty trail which was crossed by a deer hunter not long ago. The hunter didn't follow the beaten trail and we are now following in his steps. Walking is especially hard today. We can't see the trail and have to advance slowly, tired and exhausted. We started the preparations for the night. We had supper in the warmth of the tent. It is hard to imagine such a comfort somewhere on the drudge, with the piercing wind, hundreds of kilometers away from human settlement.
Speaker 2:The following morning the group left a cache of food and equipment at this camp for their return journey to Mount Orton. But after only traveling a mile and a half, the fierce weather conditions forced them to make camp on Mount Kyolet Siakar, the dead mountain, and before morning all nine hikers would be dead.
Speaker 1:That's so scary and it's like ugh, it's just terrifying. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be them. No, no, Because you imagined just well you did get lost at.
Speaker 2:Yellowstone.
Speaker 1:I did yep there were a lot of forest people around, though I basically experienced what these guys went through.
Speaker 2:I was lost among the campsites. I was not in the fucking wilderness. I would have ended way differently if I was in the wilderness.
Speaker 1:I can tell you that much Now. The group was scheduled to return on February 12th, and that day came and went, but no alarm was raised, since it was typical for excursions like this to take a few extra days from time to time, depending on the weather. But the first person to raise an alarm was Rima Kolevatov. She was the sister of Alexander Kolevatov. Now she started to make calls to the Explorers Club that had granted permission for the hike, and she also called the university, and it wasn't until February 21st, over a week after the hikers were due to return, that the first search parties were deployed. This search party was composed of professional hikers, military and university students, because they're like my friends. Yes, even the Indigenous Manzi tribe volunteered to help the search.
Speaker 1:There was also an aerial search, and it wasn't until February 26th. The hikers' partially snow-covered tent was found, 25 days since the hikers had died. That's a long time Now, see and this is kind of where some of the lourish comes from at least, putting the blame onto the Manzi people was the original two guys who found the tent. They found it on the 24th, but they didn't report it until the 26th and they didn't touch the tent, they wouldn't go in it or anything, because they had these drawing suspicions that this is a ritual shit from the Manzi people.
Speaker 2:I don't know a lot about it. It's like you at the Sacajawea burial ground, abs of fucking Lutli.
Speaker 1:I ain't trying to fuck with that shit, dawg, yeah, yeah yeah, it's just scary. So yeah, I totally get this guy. I mean, honestly, would you have touched that shit? No, it depends on the shit, I guess me now I probably would have gone in, but these guys were university students, so they were like in their early 20s.
Speaker 2:So 2021. Right, right, so probably my shit Superstacious, yeah I would have been the same set.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would have been like, no, I'm good dawg. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2:I might have touched the stuff, but I don't think I would have done too much. I think I would have touched something for the thrill of it and then just gotten scared and left. Now the official report of what was found in the tent says the tent itself was torn. There were food supplies and bags at the feet and the blankets were unfolded. Under the blankets spread out were there quilted jackets, storm jackets, boots and backpacks laid on the floor. Now, not too far from the tent, about 50 feet or so, the search party came across footprints leading down the mountain away from the tent site. These tracks were left by hikers that were not wearing any shoes. Of course, at first the tracks were together, but the further out the tracks went, the more they began to separate from one another.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bet you, it was like wide out conditions.
Speaker 2:I was probably pretty windy and it's dark as fuck. You know there's no light.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I mean you get the light of the moon, unless it is.
Speaker 2:And it would reflect off the snow, but if it was cloudy it'd be dark as fuck.
Speaker 1:Cloudy and wind's picking up like he was saying that it was picking up from just snow flurries, all that kind of stuff, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, as the search party continued to follow the tracks, the first bodies were discovered. Yuri Krivonyshenko and Yuri Doroshenko were found under a tree nearly one mile away from the tent. Both bodies were found half naked. Krivonyshenko's body had on a shirt, torn white underpants and trunks. Doroshenko's body had on a shirt, another button-up shirt, padded pants and shorts. Neither one had any shoes or socks on, and there were the remnants of a fire close by that they had attempted to use for heat, which is the fires are weird to me because I'm like how did you start the fire just out there by yourself?
Speaker 2:There was a tree. So they found a tree right next to these guys where it looked like somebody had either tried to. There's the conspiracy side of it that they tried to climb the tree to get away from something. And then there was the more likely thing where they were just breaking the branches off the bottom part of the tree to collect for the firewood. But how the fuck would that shit burn? Because it's covered in snow. You know what I mean. Tough, but they probably have tricks. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean, they probably know what they're doing.
Speaker 2:They're getting the internal branches that are covered by the top canopy, that kind of shit.
Speaker 1:And they're probably dry as shicks. It's not really melting up there, it's just negative degrees. Everything's just frozen as fuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm sure they had their little tricks and stuff.
Speaker 1:That's a good point, ian, good job. About a thousand feet away from the first two bodies, the frozen body of the group leader, igor Dyatlov was found. He had collapsed around a small tree facing the tent, suggesting he was making an attempt to return to the tent. Dyatlov was also found partially dressed, most notably without boots or a coat. Yeah, just over another thousand feet away from Dyatlov, the body of Sinaita Komogorova was discovered. She was found lying sideways, knees pulled up to her stomach, arms bent at the elbows and held up to her face. She was also found without a jacket, shoes nor gloves. So she was just laying there in the fetal position, like just shivering herself to death, basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man rough.
Speaker 1:Now this is the part that really blew my mind on this way with the rescue group. Like this whole group, the whole search party was struck with grief. They did not intend on finding bodies when they began the search, this group of hikers. They were so damn experienced that the search group was intending on finding them alive, which is insane. They're missing for 25 days at this point. 26 days, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, they thought that they had just gotten lost. So I mean, they are expert survivors. They thought they'd just find them camped out somewhere off the beaten path and you know, unable to find the trail and stuff like that. But I mean, 25 days is a long fucking time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what would?
Speaker 2:they eat.
Speaker 1:Well, I got okay. So going back to like the name of the dead mountain, the reason it was named the dead mountain was because there is such little life, of food like animals. Yeah, Wildlife.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what it was like Wildlife.
Speaker 1:There was like none of that, and so the Monty people wouldn't go there typically to hunt because it was so scarce, right, and really nothing was up there and you were so exposed to all the elements, so that's why it was called dead mountain. So I don't really know what they were anticipating them eating, I guess, unless they had enough of food supply.
Speaker 2:Just to ration out.
Speaker 1:I was going to say they probably brought quite a bit of stuff, and then I mean they are resourceful at the end of the day and I guess at the end of the day you can live about a month without food Right. Well it's two weeks without water.
Speaker 2:No, water is like days.
Speaker 1:Without water it's days. Yeah, are you sure, because water is the important one. I think that's like seven days, right? How long can you live without water? Look it up.
Speaker 2:Three days.
Speaker 1:Man, we're weak. We're weak bitches.
Speaker 2:Well, we're like 70% water, so it's kind of an important part of the balanced diet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess that's true. All right, interesting Crazy. That's so quick 72 hours in your yeah, no 36 hours.
Speaker 2:You were right. The first time Yep I was, I went from 24 to 12. That's why.
Speaker 1:You sure?
Speaker 2:you don't need some water now, buddy, are you okay?
Speaker 1:Honestly, the trip to Colorado.
Speaker 2:I might still be dehydrated, dude honestly, the amount of water I've had to drink since we got back from Colorado is pretty intense.
Speaker 1:It's so, oh my God, it's so hard to live in Colorado. It is All right. Back to the story now. Please, if you could stop distracting us away from the story. You're on the last paragraph of your part, uh-huh? Yeah, I'm just saying you're distracting me so much, all right.
Speaker 2:Mr, you could go two weeks without water, okay.
Speaker 1:I'm a survivalist, all right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You know you got to be dumb to survive, Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now for six more days the search party looked for the remaining hikers and finally came across Rustin Sloborin's frozen body. Now, just like Diet Love Sloborin was found lying face down in the direction of the tent, suggesting that he was also trying to make a desperate attempt to return to the tent. Oh, these poor guys, I know, and it makes me kind of wonder, like, were they going back for supplies? Uh, probably, it's like, but why were they, you know, away from the tent? Why didn't the whole group go?
Speaker 2:I have my theory on that of why they had to cut their way out of the tent.
Speaker 1:Yes, but we'll get into that.
Speaker 2:All five bodies were flown off to have autopsies conducted, where they were all found to have various cuts and bruises to their bodies. Like injuries included bruising, cuts and abrasions to the nose, eyebrows and cheeks. Further bruises and scrapes were found on the knuckles, ankles and wrists in the back of the hands. Now, all of these injuries were at the time to determine to be caused by simply falling over through the snow and the trees, but the official cause of death for these five hikers was recorded as hypothermia. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're fucking freezing. Yes, all five hikers were found with are more commonly associated with being in a fistfight or even self-defense. So a rumor began that the hikers had actually turned on each other, lost control and fought each other. This rumor is heavily denied by the people who were close to the hikers, especially by Yuri Yudin. He's the guy who had left the group in the early stages due to his sickness and injuries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also these guys had gone on like they had done their whole previous mileage for this status or this accolade that they were trying to get. So I mean, and they were in the same school, they had grown up together, Like it's pretty heavily debunked by everyone around them at least Right Right.
Speaker 2:The head investigator, investigator Ivanov, was extremely worried that the Soviet leaders would use this rumor to actually cover up the truth of the incident. So they'd just be like, yeah, they all just got in a fight and then died. But Ivanov was not about to let that fly. He immediately had the official report of the cause of death of hypothermia copied and distributed to as many people as possible to counter this possible cover up, which is interesting. Brave of him. Brave and interesting Because it's the Soviet military. Well, you also wonder, like why would they? Why would they say, oh well, they got in a fight instead of just saying they died from hypothermia? Like what was the military's reason for wanting the difference between the two?
Speaker 2:Put your tinfoil hats on, ladies and gentlemen, thickens.
Speaker 1:Now this news of the incident was beginning to spread very quickly and, in an attempt to divide, divert the attention, the Soviet officials attempted to have the bodies buried hundreds of miles away from their home city, which only fanned the flames to conspiracy. More Public pressure was mounting against these officials and they eventually were forced to return the hiker's body's home, and the funeral ended up attracting thousands of people from all around, exactly what the officials did not want to happen at all.
Speaker 1:Now, this is crazy, and those that were in attendance of the funeral recall KGB members being everywhere keeping the eye on the whole ordeal. The ones that were close to the case remember being followed by the KGB members and at the funeral right, it's just that's who I want to be followed by KGB members so scary, I mean they just KGB is just terrifying.
Speaker 1:Terrifying individuals Now at the funeral, the rumors of lights in the sky, strange photographs and secret military tests and secret military tests began to spread amongst the crowd. The search for the four remaining hikers was put on hold a few weeks after finding the first five bodies, due to the weather getting worse and the need for the search area to thaw and melt out. That's how extreme this shit was, yeah.
Speaker 2:God, I'm searching for live people, for to searching for people that they're 99 percent sure are dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and now these when we talk about, like the strange photographs and lights in the sky, it's because of those last photos that they found in the camera.
Speaker 2:Well, he found this. I saw the photo itself and it is a really weird photo because the rest of the photos are very much so like in focus. They're very plain. Except for the Yeti, ian. Well, okay, yeah, yeah, the Yeti.
Speaker 1:Yeah, these are elusive, that Yeti.
Speaker 2:They're very, very well taken and all that stuff. And then the very last camera and the camera or very last photo in the camera role was like this weird shot of these lights in the sky, maybe, or like lights on the side of the mount. You can't tell at all because it's very blurry, it's very rushed.
Speaker 1:That's what it seems like. Some of them are trying to say that it's like a streaking light, but it's not. It's like multiple light.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's like a few different lights on the.
Speaker 1:It's weird, yeah. So they're like maybe it was aliens and the KGB is like shut up Right now. It is not, it is.
Speaker 2:Three months after the incident, a Monzi native, kurakov, spotted some comp branches that seemed to form a trail. He followed this trail with his dog. Oh good old little dog.
Speaker 1:He's a good boy. He's a good boy. Good discovery Dead bodies. Good discovery Dead bodies. One tree Good discovery Dead bodies.
Speaker 2:Kurakov's like good boy, good boy. We find these bodies. I don't know why I speak in.
Speaker 1:English, but English, now we can do Russian accent.
Speaker 2:Very briefly, until it gets to.
Speaker 1:Transform, I do more than five words. Yeah, scottish or Czechoslovakian or whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So he followed this trail with his dog and discovered some clothing that seemed to have been cut by a knife. The search team was then called back in and began to dig around in the area. Buried under more than 10 feet of snow, they found a small den. Cut branches were laid out to make a makeshift floor and at first there was no sign of the hikers. But after one search member, who was the hiker's friend from school, plunged his hooked tipped avalanche pole into the snow and pulled it back up, he saw that he had pulled a chunk of flesh up from below the snow Gross that's snarly Like huh, what is?
Speaker 2:let me just Huh, yes, I'm sure his first instinct was to taste it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just let me. Just. Let me just dangle this in my mouth a little bit yeah, there's some odd beef jerky guys, that's just weird, that's just weird. Hmm, it's got a little.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:It's.
Speaker 2:Duba Nina, duba Nina, god. So everybody immediately came rushing over to dig and they quickly uncovered Duba Nina, buried under 12 feet of snow. She was found in a small ravine. The three remaining bodies of Nikolai Alexander and Semion were found close to Duba Nina. They were all found very close to each other, suggesting that they were most likely huddled together in one final attempt to find warmth before dying. Oh I know. So sad. The bodies were quickly and carefully removed and taken to the evacuation point, but due to the conspiracies of this incident possibly being related to secret military weapons testing, the thought of radiation poisoning was on everyone's mind. The helicopter pilots wouldn't even accept the bodies on the helicopter until the bodies were covered in zinc lined cases.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how bad these conspiracies were being fanned within like a quick amount of time. Yeah, well, I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:The conspiracy possible truth.
Speaker 1:This conspiracy did led to some truth. Now, the reason why it was like a den that they say, and then they found like the branch snow cave. Yeah, they built their own snow cave and what they think is that that it collapsed on them and they didn't build it well enough because they were in a rush and trying to survive In a rush and freezing cold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh.
Speaker 1:God. Now the bodies were finally transported back for autopsy, and this is where shit gets really fucking weird. Nikolai, also known as Tebow his report, came back with a skull fracture on the right side of his head. The medical examiner included that he didn't believe that the amount of damage that was done could have been done by simply falling and hitting his head. In the report he states the extensive, depressed, multi splintered fracture could be likened to the result of an impact with an automobile moving at high speed.
Speaker 2:And what's crazy about this wound is like there wasn't very much surf. There was surface bruising, but there wasn't like surface abrasions or surface cuts or anything on that part where if he had gotten hit by a fucking car going that fast or something you know, it would have left some sort of abrasion, some sort of cut, some sort of something on the surface of the skin other than just bruising. You know what I think?
Speaker 1:of is when Glenn gets hit by Lucille, by Negan, except if you take the barbed wire off Lucille and just that cave part of his head is just like indented. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Gross Alexander's report came back even stranger, and this is what it read there is a wound of undetermined shape behind the right ear. The neck is long and thin and deformed in the area of the thyroid cartilage, so his neck's just fucked up.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then he's got this really random fucking wound right behind his ear. Now Simone, the oldest in the group. He was the guy in the late thirties. He was found with extreme facial decay which was most likely a result of laying in the ravine. But the most notable injury for him was his crushed chest cavity. That was determined to have happened before he had died Falcon punch, did you imagine? It was determined that whatever caused this injury was the result of a high power impact and is the main cause of his death. In that report it is said that his death was a result of violence.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Wasn't it the result of violence? Wasn't it the? I'm scrolling up, if you could mark where we are. Yeah, what's the name of that article? An unknown compelling force? Yeah, well, that's the final.
Speaker 1:That's what the investigator wrapped up as the last few sentences of the whole report.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1:And now we're about to introduce this medical examiner that's from California who goes over the autopsy reports and everything like that, and it's he's like yeah, it could be, it's definitely a violent impact that happened to him, but if it was another human, they would have had to been basically Brock Lesnar, and a full impact punch by Brock Lesnar to this man Like and Brock Lesnar is not going to make it up that hill, no, it's. They don't know what the fuck really caused this.
Speaker 2:I mean it could have gotten, like I don't know, stepped on by like a moose or like an elk or something you know. Yeah, I mean that's possible, like if he had fallen and it was charging him and just well, with a moose impact.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess, yeah, if it was a head or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's actually but there's no wild life Sometimes there's no vegetation for the meat. They were hiding in trees. Do moose eat trees? They eat something and they live in those kinds of areas. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna go. Yeah, we're okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, could be a moose, death by moose.
Speaker 1:We solved the mystery. That's it, end of episode. Thank you guys for taking a look. Alright, thanks for yeah like comment.
Speaker 2:share no. So Dubenina was found face down in the ravine. She also had no boots on and in wrapped sweatshirts around her feet in an attempt to keep her feet warm. Her snow pants that she had on were badly burnt from a fire that they had made to try and keep warm through that final night.
Speaker 1:Now it's yeah, cause it's crazy. So everyone that was found next to a fire their hands and feet were burned if they didn't have boots on and is what they think possibly because they were burnt, like burnt, burnt is that it was so cold and windy that night that they were literally having to stick their hands and feet into the flame to feel any sense of heat? I mean, that's desperation, that is, that is last resort, trying to warm your shit up, cause I mean fuck.
Speaker 1:I was watching it cook. You smell that shit. Oh yeah, I mean, think of it. We were just snowboarding. My right foot was like freezing. Yeah, it was like covered in everything. Yeah, imagine this situation.
Speaker 2:No, oh, don't want to be there Now. Anyone who has taken a look into this incident knows that Dubenina was missing her eyes when she was found, and it is believed that her eyes were missing due to being face down in the ravine. Those are some of the quickest things to decay on the human body.
Speaker 2:But the biggest mystery to this is that her tongue was missing and the autopsy report left literally absolutely no explanation as to why it was gone, which usually you can kind of tell like oh, it was cut with a sharp object or oh, it was pulled off. You can usually tell that kind of thing just by looking at it, but there was no explanation given, which is kind of suspicious. Now, dubenina had also suffered a massive chest injury. Multiple ribs were broken by some kind of crushing force powerful enough to puncture her heart.
Speaker 1:Good, you gotta fuck up your ribs in order to puncture your heart. Yeah, you've got to cave all the way in. Yeah, and we're going to go back into these like a little bit with the reevaluation of modern experts on this. So, after all of this medical examination, the investigators were still left completely baffled. They had just watched an episode of Lost, basically, and they're like, yeah, I came in with 25 questions, what's?
Speaker 2:with the smoky dragon. Why is there a polar bear on a tropical island?
Speaker 1:They all had gained more questions instead of answers and, given the scare of possible military testing and possible radiation, the lead medical examiner had the bodies and clothes all tested for radiation and some of those found in the ravine showed above average levels of radiation. Some of the military testing that they were thinking of was they did parachute bombing, because, keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, this is in the era of the Cold War. Yeah, so they were, you know, very anti-American at this point and they were testing parachute bombs and they thought that maybe, that there was possibly a mad like off-drift of one that just landed by these guys, which they also conspiracy theory of that there's a possible avalanche. But that was super quick ruled out Because you could tell if there was a fucking avalanche.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's pretty evident. It's pretty. Yeah, they had experts immediately, like the expert hikers went on the search Because that was their first thought when they saw the half-covered tent. But they're like well, first of all, the half-covered tent is still here.
Speaker 2:It's still staked down.
Speaker 1:The fucking ski pools are on the ground. Yeah, and there's. The slope is way too gradual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not an avalanche, not a tornado. It's not going to leave the coffee maker on the fucking counter, you know what I mean. It's going to wipe the whole kitchen away, exactly Because it's an avalanche.
Speaker 1:And so they immediately ruled that out. But yet there's still some theories out there that it was a possible avalanche. But that's just not fucking true, mm-hmm. Now, at this point, rumors were flying of the possible military interference with the hikers demise, especially with the proof of radiation. So, needless to say, the Soviet commanders were not fucking pleased about this and they had the lead investigator sent home and the case closed. Nice, nice, and this is where and yeah right, it's just like you know what. We don't want to be involved with this anymore.
Speaker 2:You're pretty sure you guys are done, raul. Yeah, with your investigation. Pretty sure you guys are done. You're not done. No, you're done.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't like the lead investigator really wanted to, but he was. You're listening to the Soviet military.
Speaker 2:It's either do what we say or you're said to, or we shoot you in the head.
Speaker 1:You shoot you in the head or you're sent to a fucking gulag yeah, or we'll just put you in the fucking ravine like these guys yeah. So the closing statement of the incident report stated it is concluded that the cause of their demise was from an unknown compelling force which the tourists were not able to overcome. The criminal case on the death of the group of tourists and further proceedings are to be terminated. Man they, just because they had this image. You know the Soviets could do no wrong. Yeah, you know they were the iron curtain. Yes, they were the embodiment of a perfection.
Speaker 2:Well, of course, when is the Soviet Union ever messed up, other than when they no longer became a thing? Yeah, they had a good run. Yeah, they did. It took until the fall of the Soviet Union for this case file to be released to the public. So we're going to go through each hiker's injuries and possible explanations of death that are re-evaluated by Natalia Sakharov, a criminal expert in Russia who worked as a doctor in the Russian prison system for 10 years and also as an expert criminalist for the police for 16 years. So she knew her shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's been around some fucking shit, yeah, yeah. And also Ken Holmes, who worked in the Marin County CA Coroner's office for 36 years, so both know what they're talking about and both are featured in the 2021 documentary An Unknown Compelling Force.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ken Holmes. He's the American dude at the Coroner's office, so he knows his shit when he's like reevaluating what these autopsy reports said.
Speaker 2:Right. So Natalia first starts out by saying that there was no real way to determine if the tents were cut from the inside or the outside, and that the investigators on site of the incident didn't actually know what they were looking for. She predicts from her 26 years in criminology that this incident was conclusively a murder.
Speaker 1:Right, you should see her. She's convincing. She's like she's very matter of fact of the shit. She has a sheet, yeah, and she has this fucking wicked knife in the documentary. She's like this is like the same material. And she's like stabs the sheet and she goes see, see, that you can see how this and that starts and that ends. And then she stabs it in a different way and like rips it a little bit. She's like see, you can see that. And the judge from that picture, these guys had no idea what the fuck they were looking for. I mean, obviously she didn't say fuck, right, she's just like they didn't know what they were looking for. This is how you can tell, and so there's no real proof that it was cut from the inside or the outside.
Speaker 2:Ken Holmes believes that the 1959 autopsies were very thorough but lack accuracy for at least seven of the hikers, Seven of the eight.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you're right, nine, you're the only one that left.
Speaker 2:He believes that the amount of trauma that was done to these hikers had to have been caused by a very strong force and not just something like they fell over or were simply hit by another human.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like something fucking hit these dudes, yeah, Something hard. Another expert that was brought into this documentary is Mick Finnerty. He's a he's. He's not a guy I want to have dinner with, no. He's a retired FBI special agent who dealt with some of the country's more complex criminal cases, such as the Elizabeth Smart case. That dealt with brainwashing, human trafficking cases and some of the more bizarre murder cases around the States.
Speaker 2:Now when you say you wouldn't want to have dinner with them, do you mean he was just very bland, because that sounds like exciting dinner conversation to me?
Speaker 1:He's just very bland. He's like matter very matter of fact. He's like, just because of the evidence, that's proven that this is probably a homicide. And this is that you know. Because of this proof.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And I'm like how about any kind of leniency of just this, that and the other? He goes, that just holds no grounds. Okay, thanks, mick. All right, mick, do you want some lasagna?
Speaker 2:That also holds no grounds Okay.
Speaker 1:You're probably a meatloaf guy, aren't you?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Great, great Mick. Can I get you some wine? No Water, I'm going to fucking hang myself real quick.
Speaker 2:I want a glass of warm milk. He seems like a warm milk kind of guy.
Speaker 1:Perfect. Now Mick states that this case is where you need to apply the principle of Occam's razor. That is when the most simple answer is often the most correct answer. Now, he does not believe that the hikers left the tent in a blind hysteria and traveled so far without any protection from the elements, especially without trained and experienced. These hikers were Like they know they're about to run out and all this shit. They're going to at least grab the boots and something like that. You know, like grab a coat, grab a pair of socks, right. But instead he believes that they were driven from the tent from someone, or multiple someone's, and that this is a very clear homicide.
Speaker 2:So I don't blame him. I don't blame him.
Speaker 1:Now when Mick for turn for nerdy, for nerdy, for nerdy For nerdy. Now when Mick tells you that it's a homicide, it might be a homicide because it's Mick, mick don't fuck around.
Speaker 2:He's got a glass of warm milk and he's ready to tell you.
Speaker 1:All right. So let's go ahead and break down some of these fucking bizarre injuries.
Speaker 2:Ludmila and Zolotaryov both suffered extreme injuries to the chest cavity but given the position of the bodies, this could not have come from the same impact. For Zolotaryov, it is suspected from these new experts that something extremely heavy came crashing down on him while he was in a stationary position. Moose hoof.
Speaker 1:I don't think it would have been in the hoof, I think it would have been just straight up a ram right in between the antlers, right in his head. You know, because of his hoof it would have been more of like a small direct impact on the whole thing.
Speaker 2:You know how big those fucking hooves are.
Speaker 1:I guess they are pretty big, they are huge.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are big motherfuckers. I don't even know if Russia has mooses, though it could be like a big reindeer or whatever they have over there.
Speaker 1:It could be reindeer. Yeah, it could be. No, reindeer's are kind of more docile, I think. I mean if not, if threatened, you know, we're going to just keep going with the moose theory.
Speaker 2:Yeah, moose All day Now. Lubmila's chest injury was similar, but far more extensive. She was hit so hard that, after her ribs cracked, her ribs flexed out and penetrated the heart. This type of impact can only come from a high-speed car crash or like a fall that is higher than 50 feet. Something fucking huge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, and that's Dubonina, by the way. I should have replaced their first names back. So also with Dubonina. Not much more research or theories can be conducted from her missing eyes Because, like we said, since the ravine most likely accelerated the decaying process of that soft tissue, her tongue is a completely different story, mm-hmm. Now, some say that a rodent or another kind of animal might have gotten its way In her mouth and eaten your tongue. Gross right, but the problem with this is that there was fucking blood found in her stomach, which suggests that her tongue was either cut out or ripped out of her mouth prior to her death. Hmm, swallowed that blood tasty.
Speaker 2:I bet it was warm, probably warmed her tummy. You know, when you don't have hot cocoa, tear out your own tongue maybe she did it to herself, maybe she bit her tongue.
Speaker 1:Actually I wonder if she was like, if she fell in, like yeah, she decided for some reason she just falls with her tongue completely out and she's just ah, maybe.
Speaker 2:But she didn't die by drowning, which that usually would be what happens after that, because you're, you got a lot of blood going on and you're like, already in hypothermic state and you're like they panic, and then you.
Speaker 1:Well, unless you just lead it over just let. Now, t-po was found in the same ravine as the other two, except he had a massive fracture to his right temple. Now, this type of fracture most likely resulted from being struck in the head while in an upright position. Ah, classic Glenn. Yeah, dude this is mm-hmm, bro, I'm these four, these four it was, it was Negan. Holy shit, I think we figured it out. That's it. That is it. That's the one, that's it. All right. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, once again.
Speaker 2:Now. Kolevatov was the fourth member of this group of hikers in the ravine. He had a very odd injury behind his ear and it was reported that his neck was disfigured in the autopsy report. The injury behind the ear is an extremely rare place to suffer an injury when just falling over. After looking through the photographs and medical reports, natalia believes that Kolevatov was strangled to death and she's seen people getting strangled before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like this. This is definitely. She's like. Oh yeah, I know I have like 36 cases of this this is exactly what these other 36 people had looked like.
Speaker 2:This was my internship. You wonder if she could take a look at the Epstein photos. The other hikers had relatively minimal injuries, such as scrapes, bruises and burn marks from their fires, except for Roostim slow Boden, who also had a massive fracture to the side of the skull that could not have been caused by simply falling and hitting a Stone underneath the snow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just it's too much. It's just it, yeah, unless he Really whipped himself back and plunged himself into that rock. Yeah, yeah at 70 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:For the other hikers, the cuts, scrapes and deep bruises are now assumed to have been defensive wounds and wounds caused by attempting to fight back Whatever might have been attacking them now Igor Dyatlov was found heading back to the tent, assuming that he was probably going back to find supplies.
Speaker 1:What is noted about his bruising is that they were mostly around his wrists and ankles, along with some cuts Giving the impression that he might have been tied up at some point.
Speaker 1:Hmm being tied up is a theory that extends to all of the hikers that were found outside of the ravine, which could explain why they were not able to make it through the night. They could have expelled the majority of their energy getting out of the binds and starting their fires. Now, I personally have a hard time believing this, though, because no reports of any kind like have any kind of binding material that show up.
Speaker 1:The only thing that's ever noted is one strap that is from the manzi people, but I have a feeling that was just because it was a strap that's used for them to tie up to reindeer and like basically as a sled. But I believe that the guy that read the horse to carry their stuff, probably a strap of, was like oh, you probably need that because you forgot one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, I something, something along those lines.
Speaker 1:That's the only one they could find. Now, another thing to consider, but also kind of disregard are the lights in the sky, like we were talking about? All right, there's a belief that the Soviets were doing testing in the area like we were talking about, but there's no geological Evidence that a bomb might have gone off anywhere close to the hikers at all. So it's just a conspiracy, right.
Speaker 2:Now, the most bizarre part of this case is that damn radiation fucking radiation two of the four hikers that were found in the ravine Duba Nina, the one without the tongue, and Alexander, the one that was found with the disfigured neck. We're found with clothes that tested positive for radiation.
Speaker 1:This, this explanation is really crazy. I didn't know all of this before mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:The Duba Nina sweater that she was wearing actually came from Yuri Krivon ishenko, and it is believed that she took this sweater off of his dead body. Now, the weirdest part of this is that Yuri actually worked at a nuclear facility that suffered a major nuclear explosion Only a year and a half prior to the diet law of past incident. Yuri was part of the cleanup crew. This explosion was known as the Kishin disaster, which is actually the third largest nuclear disaster in the world, following Chernobyl and Fukushima.
Speaker 1:This incident was completely covered up by the Soviet Union because when it happened, it was the biggest in the world, in world history, mm-hmm. And then there was Chernobyl and there was Fukushima. But Soviet Union did one hell of a job of covering this one up because no one fucking knew about it, mm-hmm. Barely anyone still knows about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't know about it till this. With Alexander, he went to work for a secretive nuclear facility in Moscow. Now it's quite possible that he came into contact with radioactive materials from the other nuclear explosion site, or he may have simply Worn the contaminated sweater before giving it to Duba Nina gosh, and that's just crazy that they had all this.
Speaker 1:So now, given how the protection of Soviet citizens was not a priority at nuclear facilities during the Cold War era because he civilian life was expendable, yeah, there is a strong chance that the radiation came from one of these nuclear facilities, rather than some experimental weapon used by the Soviet military. So in the documentary a non-known compelling force, they discussed how this was during the height of the Cold War and how the Soviet Union had a reputation to uphold as a powerhouse and how nothing could go wrong. Not a single thing. Not a single thing. If you've watched the show Chernobyl, or watch or read anything about fiction.
Speaker 1:Fiction right, according to the.
Speaker 2:Soviets. That's not even happened. That was not a thing. It's actually still fully functioning.
Speaker 1:So, as the investigation was going on, they only discovered five of the nine hikers. So there was more than likely a thought that the remaining four had defected as American spies, obviously with the. So they wanted to keep everything under wraps as much as possible. Think it's. I mean just as like such a strong force they were so skeptical, right, like they're in the fucking Ural Mountains. Yeah, they defect as you American spies.
Speaker 2:Well, that's the Americans. Dude, we're sleazy like that, we're sneaky.
Speaker 1:If you have the Americans creeping up into the Ural Mountains, your protection sucks. You've already been nuked.
Speaker 2:They have a border crisis. Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Now this would explain the odd attempted funeral arrangements and the Soviet pressure to hurry up the investigation. But what they didn't account for in a typical fucking Soviet move, was that this was creating conspiracy from the get-go Plus. When the lead investigator asked for a radiation test of the last four hikers, the Soviets probably flip shit because they didn't want anything about a previous nuclear power plant Like melting down. Yeah, melting down, thank you.
Speaker 2:On the meltdown. They didn't yeah.
Speaker 1:So they didn't want this to fucking link because there was a chance that it would weaken their reputation to the world and allow America to look at them as an illegitimate power.
Speaker 2:I feel like the Soviet Union is just like the insecure popular girl apps so fucking you know like the insecure popular girl.
Speaker 1:They were super insecure about this the Soviet Union is mean girls. Now, all of this, of course, are assumptions made by the documentary, but they are pretty damn believable explanations or Assumptions, given what we know about the Soviet Union and how they try to cover up things like Chernobyl and literally everything else that went on.
Speaker 2:Anything you wanted, the stuff that we don't know. That, my god, you know right.
Speaker 1:Like we just know the big shit. Yeah, all this small shit that they covered. Yeah, that's actually scary. There's a book about that?
Speaker 2:It probably is. Yeah, are you looking it up right now? No, oh, I thought you were actively. I was like Cooper, not the time.
Speaker 1:Finish the podcast.
Speaker 2:So since we can most likely rule out military weapons testing, soviet interference Since they were just looking out for themselves and didn't give a rat's ass about the actual hikers and we can clearly see that there was some kind of external force that killed these experienced hikers rather than them killing themselves, we should probably go back and reexamine Occam's razor, the Monzy tribe. The Monzy tribe in the northwestern region of Siberia there are an indigenous people known as the Monzy and the Conti people who have been in the area for thousands of years. These indigenous people traditionally survived through fighting, hunting and herding reindeer. Since the 13th century, the Monzy and Conti groups have been united to fiercely defend their land against the invading Russians. But by the time of Soviet era Russia, the indigenous way of life suffered greatly as their lands were taken and their numbers were diminished. You think we're fucking mean to the Native Americans? I can only imagine how mean the Soviets probably. Oh yeah, they were. Just like we're just gonna come in and we're gonna kill you. Yeah, well, we did that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did yeah, so, needless to say, these indigenous.
Speaker 1:We had. We gave him a nice little walking trail to get over to the lands. That were Nice little walking, a nice little walking trail.
Speaker 2:What's that trail called?
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Andy Jackson. He's still on the 20, so, needless to say, these indigenous people had a strong distrust and resentment towards the Soviet Russians. However, igor Dylov and his group were extremely excited to meet these people and learn more of their language and customs, but it's unclear if the group actually came into contact with them at all.
Speaker 1:See, the Monzy's were the first suspects in this investigation. But they were ruled out because the investigators thought that the tent slashes were open from the inside and local Russians vouched for the Monzy people. Plus, one of the Monzy's even volunteered their services to help to search for the hikers. But if you're any fan of true crime, like Ian and I are, you know that criminals will often come back to the scene of the crime and even try to put themselves inside of the investigation, either for thrill or to guide the investigation away from themselves. So after the incident the local indigenous Monzy people volunteered as professional guides to search for the hikers. But there was suspicion that the Monzy people had contributed to the deaths of the hikers. A a root, a rumor was going around saying that the hikers had stumbled upon a sacred Monzi site and paid with their lives for it. The slashes on the tent didn't help the Monzi's either. In an original case file it says it was established.
Speaker 1:The group suddenly left the tent and there is reason to believe that the tent was cut by someone else. Some local Monzi people were questioned about their sacred rituals, but they told the investigators that the mountain had never been guarded by the Monzi people and the Russian people were not forbade to go there. So they're like, oh okay. And this is when some of the forensics came back from the tent slashes and were like, oh no, it was cut inside by a blade. So it was determined that at the time the slashes had come from inside, proving that the Panik hikers cut their way out of the tent themselves and made a run for it. So they dropped the Monzi people from suspicion completely. They're like you know what? We have enough proof. Here we have our expert tent cutter people. That's a job. That is a job that you get paid for in Soviet Russia.
Speaker 2:Ten days after the investigation had begun, some of the Monzi were questioned and said that there were no more sacred praying sites on the mountain, but this contradicted other testimony from Monzi stating that there were, in fact, multiple sacred sites among the mountain. In one of the photographs recorded from the camera from the group, a picture was taken of a known sacred Monzi cave site and to the north their most sacred site was located right there in the Dyatlov Pass. In the sacred spot there are giant stone pillars and the story is that an ancient Monzi shaman turned giant invaders into those stone pillars when they threatened to destroy the Monzi people, which is kind of a cool story. Cool story, bro, it is.
Speaker 1:Like I could, you know, like the Troll movie? Yeah, I could feel this Sad movie.
Speaker 1:They're sad movie. Hate that movie. The ending I'm just like what the fuck? So fucking unnecessary bro. But I feel like this movie, like they could turn this story into that type of movie. Yeah, Like with the giant fucking, they turned them into these giant stone pillars. Right, right, right Now. The evidence of someone being in the hiker's vicinity is that there was a Monzi hut-like structure in the hikers that had taken a picture of it, which is kind of spun into this narrative that someone was actually there and then hunted the hikers. But when you look at this fucking picture, there is definitely a structure there, but it looks like it was abandoned before the winter months even began. The Monzi had said that no Monzi person would travel to the mountains because of the fierce wind. They're like nah, bro, it sucks up there, why would we go up there? And it was simply too dangerous for them to be up there, especially when the game was so sparse.
Speaker 1:So, there's no food, there's no game, the wind sucks, it's really cold. You know there's not a lot of cover, except unless you build yourself a niggloo and they're like we have. You know you go like a couple miles. Back bro I got my own hut. So the argument that is made here is that due to recent tensions, oh, and I guess I should say this fucking struck the hut that they found it looks like a teepee structure and it. But there's no tarp around it, it's just the branches and they had some like elk antlers on it hanging off of it. Now the argument that is being made here is due to recent tensions between the Russians and the Monzi people and Monzi rituals being completely outlawed by the Russians. The Monzi held a long, lasting grudge against any outsider at all. Fair enough, I fucking get that yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Some people believe that the group stumbled upon a sacred site and took something of significance, which the Monzi people retaliated by psychologically and physically torturing the hikers before killing them. Ah yeah, Now this is not something that I personally believe is true and I, you know, I'm pretty sure you're on the same page as that because this kind of sounds like some common city folk leaning a bit too hard into the folklore of the people of the mountain. Yeah, yeah, it just doesn't. It just doesn't ring true to me. It sounds. It sounds like a bit of a stretch.
Speaker 2:Little bit, little bit of a stretch especially for like 1959. I mean it could also just be some teenagers from the Monzi tribe, you know what I mean, or just some like like a small group of three or four of them have this extreme, like extremists.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like it's not, like it was the entire fucking village that went around and did this, but it very well could have been just three or four, you know.
Speaker 1:Well, that's kind of there's also the belief of like the, the Conti, so the Monzi and the Conti who kind of united as one, but they say that there was like four or five scavenger Conti people that like wanted to believe in the old ways of the Monzi and Conti and so they left the groups and that they were possibly up there protecting the sacred sites and hunted them down. But possible, that was brought up in a conversation like a just a offbeat conversation with one of the police officers. But then later they interviewed the guy who said that to the police officer and he's like I didn't say that shit, but the police officer was like, yeah, he definitely said that. Yeah, so it's like he said she said what the fuck actually happened, you know Right Now.
Speaker 2:The Dyatlov Pass incident stands as a haunting enigma, shrouded in layers of mystery and speculation that had persisted for decades. The tragic fate of Igor Dyatlov and his companions was marked by a series of events that defy conventional explanation from the inexplicable decision to flee the safety of their tent in the dead of night to the harrowing discoveries of the hiker's bodies. Each revelation has only deepened the mystery. The injuries sustained by these experienced adventurers were far from typical for an expedition gone awry. Fractured skulls, broken ribs, missing eyes, missing tongues all pointed towards a force beyond the ordinary dangers of the wilderness.
Speaker 1:And conspiracy theories have swirled, ranging from clandestine military experiments to encounters with indigenous tribes. Yet, admits the speculation, certain facts emerge. The tent, possibly slashed open from the inside, speaks of a panicked escape. The bodies scattered across snowy terrain suggest a desperate struggle against an unknown adversary. Their opinions and reexaminations of the evidence yield more questions than answers. The injuries, inconsistent with accidental causes, hint at a forceful encounter. The radiation traces found on some of the clothing further muddies the water, invoking suspicions of past nuclear incidents. The involvement of the manzi people, initially suspected and later dismissed, remains a contentious point. Their sacred sights and potential tensions with outsiders offer a backdrop for speculation, but the evidence linking them directly to the tragedy remains inconclusive.
Speaker 2:Now there is real quick. Before I wrap this up, there is a documentary that I watched that kinda like put into scope, really focused on why they left the tent in the first place, not so much on the things surrounding their actual deaths, but why the fuck did this group of experienced hikers leave their tent with none of their clothes in the middle of the night. Now there's obviously the question of did somebody scare them out? Yada, yada, yada, and that's definitely possible. But if you look at the way that their tent is set up, most nights like they have taken pictures of their tent and it has the stove inside of the tent with the chimney, and it's very much so a thing rigged up by the leader. What was his name? Again, we'll dial off.
Speaker 1:Igor, yeah, igor.
Speaker 2:That was his stove, his rig. It was his own little custom setup, and what it is is basically embers inside of this chamber. That funnels the smoke into a chimney type thing, and then, when you take it down for the night, all you do is you just take the chimney and you take that inside and close up the hole that it comes out of. Right, so there should be no smoke at that point, though it should be put out. Well, what may have happened and what this documentary went into, which I can source it real quick? That was a lamino. It's called the Diet Love Pass Case 7.2 million views on YouTube. Really, really good, very no bullshit documentary, just straight facts, which I really liked. But he goes.
Speaker 2:The most likely reason that they would have to leave that tent is from, like smoke inhalation very quick, but they were all going to bed. They had already taken the chimney down. There wasn't supposed to be any embers in the fire. Now you know how one single little tiny ember can start to slowly build up and then it gets real smoky. He thinks that they got smoked out of the tent and it happened very quick, not enough to cause any serious smoke inhalation stuff, other than on a few of them where they found blood around the mouths which is caused by smoke inhalation and stuff. But like so very, very quickly, they had to cut their tent open because they couldn't find the fucking exit, because there was smoke throughout the tent. And you could also say somebody threw in something that was on fire into the chimney hole or whatever, and that's what caused the smoke and that's the criminal intent, so to speak.
Speaker 2:You know, but he thinks that they got smoked out of the tent. That's why they had to cut it open and run out with nothing on and that's why they couldn't go back in to get their shit. So that's one theory that I think is kind of valid. There are obviously some holes in it, such as why wasn't the tent burned down? Yada, yada, yada, it was a controlled fire. It wasn't like it fell out of the stove or anything, but you know. So that's just one little theory that I have on it. I feel like makes sense as to why they would cut their way out instead of leaving through the tent entrance.
Speaker 1:I don't know, because it's really small, though you know it's not a big tent. I mean it's long.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that means it wouldn't take long to fill up with smoke.
Speaker 1:But and then also in their autopsies, like there's no blood around the mouth but there's nothing, as if they had hailed any kind of smoke or gas because they tested for that, because of possible gas bombs.
Speaker 2:There's also a lot of things that weren't included in the autopsies or like that were kind of vague in the autopsies and stuff like that. Yeah, you know what I mean. There's a combination of all of these different theories. You know. There's all sorts of different shit that's going on with this with the military, with the Monzi people, with that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:It's just it's wild, you know.
Speaker 2:No one will really ever fucking know. That's true. That is true Because decades have passed and investigations continue, each re-examination adding new perspectives but failing to provide a definitive resolution. The truth behind the Dyatlov Pass incident remains elusive, a haunting testament to the limits of our understanding and the enduring allure of an unsolved mystery Just keeps coming back as one of those like crazy ass unsolved mysteries of history dude.
Speaker 1:There's so many, and I just, man, I don't, it's just, I don't want to die that way, man no no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I don't want to die that way. It sounds like absolutely no fun.
Speaker 1:I just heart attack, bring it on. That's how I want to go quick and easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in my sleep I just want to die in my sleep of old age.
Speaker 1:That's all I want Now. Oh, oh, one of the Yuri Krivenchenko. So he was kind of the comedian of the group. He was just like a jokester. Well, he actually, when they were at their stop about to board the train, he got fucking arrested. Because they were, because he wanted to get food and one of the girls had the money for the group. She was, like, you know, the financier of it, and so he was like, oh, let's just give us some money so that we can go and get some, like you know, some junk food or whatever. She's like no, like that doesn't whatever. Like just being silly. And so he was. He continued to be silly and he started to go around panhandling, but like making fun of it Right like as a joke being at college, yeah, you know and he got arrested by the Soviet military and the group had to go up and like actually get him out.
Speaker 1:Get him out when they were like they talked to the guy and like, look, he's just he's kidding around, we're going to this really cool adventure. He's just excited, but it's super risky to be doing this, it's illegal to panhandle and then you get arrested by a Soviet officer and you go straight to a fucking gulag.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or you go to fucking prison. That's how you go to disappear town.
Speaker 1:That's how you disappear. That's how you disappear. Oh, and another thing Duba Nina. She was a bad bitch too, the one with the missing tongue.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was the one who like got shot and apologized for getting shot.
Speaker 1:Like got shot on a previous expedition by some, accidentally by a hunter, and she apologized to the rest of the group about getting shot Like sorry guys, so sorry.
Speaker 2:I know I'm a nuisance.
Speaker 1:And the guy who had the pictures on him was Simone Zolotarov. He was a 37 year old. In the group he was a World War II vet, and so when they dug him up, they actually found the camera around his neck, and 34 pictures were found on the film.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And that's where the porn lights are the Yeti thing, and then all the other pictures that we see until the which also puts a hole in the hole, like smoking the tent theory too, because he had the wherewithal to grab the camera. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like so it's I don't know, it's just weird.
Speaker 1:There's just every.
Speaker 2:Cause if it was people, there's nothing complete. There's all these little dots that are like well, maybe this happened and they're like radiation.
Speaker 1:You're like fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like if they heard people scaring them outside the tent, he would probably grab the camera and try and catch a picture of them, just in case they did fucking kill them?
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause he's 37. He's a World War II vet. Yeah, he's smart.
Speaker 2:He wants to take that photo so that after they're all dead they find the fucking camera Exactly, and there's photo evidence. You know what I mean. So like there's all sorts of different, so many things, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just I. Oh man, it's creepy, it's crazy. We'll never fucking know. Yeah, yeah, oh. And then there's also some crazy-esque like cyclone incident, like a theory of where the winds match up perfectly into this, like type of cyclone, where it creates the sound that drives the human body into hysteria, and like nausea, nausea. And then like maybe this sound hyper focused on exactly where the tent was and it drove them all madly insane.
Speaker 2:Could you?
Speaker 1:imagine Bro.
Speaker 2:So cyclone clums in and hits them all with a brown note and just Right, just sense them out, jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:Oh man, well, that's the fucking Diet Love Pass incident. Yeah, sorry for no like real answers, but a little bit more explanation onto what the conspiracies are derived from, I feel like. So you know there is that we will be taking a little bit of a break. We're going to be back at the end of February. We need some break, a little break. So thank you all for sticking around for this. I'm so fucking excited to come back with the stories. Oh, cooper's got plans, I got plans. Doug, I got plans, I got plans. Go, follow us on all the social bullshit. You can find all of those links on drinkingourwaythroughhistorycom. And Ian, do you have anything for the?
Speaker 2:kids. If you made it this far, you're a fucking champion. But you already knew that, because you make it to the end of every episode, don't you, don't you? And then you hit that like button and you hit that subscribe button, don't you? Yeah, you do, yeah, you do, yeah, you do you. Awesome champion, you.
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