Shaun
Host
00:00
This is Off To Off Topic, a show where two men with the attention spans of a squirrel try and fail to stay on topic with today's subject. Where will their oral meanderings take us? Well, stick around and listen, because today's Off To Off Topic topic is… the newly announced Apple Vision Pro, that fun augmented mixed reality headset that you're seeing all over the internet on TV, that people are super excited about. We figured we'd give a quick moment to talk about it and give our opinions and maybe some predictions on what we think will happen in the future with it. You watched a video, right, nate? I did. I actually watched it. I was a good boy. Yes, you did Good job. I'm very proud of you. Kind of an interesting, neat piece of tech, huh it is and it will go nowhere, but it is. 

00:41
Yep, that was my thought. The only people that really really seem to be super hyped for it are Apple shareholders, as far as I can tell, really rich people and the people who got invited to like the demonstration Apple put on earlier this week. So that was watching reviews from people and all of the tech guys who got invented. The thing we're talking about. Oh, this is miraculous, it's going to be great. We can't wait to see and all like the tech reviews who weren't invited that are sitting around just like this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Apparently, those gift bags can really purchase some opinions or something from people. 

Nate
Host
01:11
Well, don't get me wrong, it looks bad, it looks cool, like I mean it. Well, I would say it looks cool, but it is a. I can see why. You know it's like this one those things. 

Shaun
Host
01:22
it could be the beginning of something new and huge. It could be one of those, like the iPhone, where, 10 years from now, how do we get along without this? 

Nate
Host
01:28
I do, I complied, that's it. It's. It's going to be one of those things that will like this is a first step, you know what I mean. Like it will happen, but as it stands right now, it is not going to, you know not with that. 

Shaun
Host
01:46
It's not very convenient when you're like, hey, I want to make a phone call, to sit down, strap this huge VR set onto your front of your face and you know, load up and boot up your whole system and get into it, because even playing VR on the PlayStation, I really like it, but sometimes just a lot effort just put on that headset and then have to take it off. You got to go pee or whatever. 

Nate
Host
02:02
That's actually why I could I attributed to as well. Just, you know, although this one does look a lot more, it's not attached to a big block on your next, on your TV with several wires. Yeah, it's almost cordless for the most part kind of ish. Well there's. I saw a Corb. I didn't see what's going to like on the video. Is going to their pocket. Is that their iPhone? Is this supposed? 

Shaun
Host
02:22
to go to a little battery pack that's a little bit bigger than an iPhone. 

Nate
Host
02:26
Okay, Because yeah they were like stand up doing stuff and like wait, what is, where is that wire? 

Shaun
Host
02:32
They weren't very clear on what that is, because, yeah, my first thought was, hey, does this actually plug into an existing iPhone or into a computer? I mean, do you have to buy a computer on top of this? And this is just like a new way of viewing your already existing hardware. But nope, all the computer hardware is built into this guy, so you don't need to plug it into anything. So I mean it does work as own standalone computer. However, that battery pack, it only is rated for two hours of use at a time and that's rated for which means probably at the lowest settings and not doing a ton of stuff. So I'd imagine, if you're like watching high def videos or playing games, probably less than two hours and two hours barely enough to make it through a movie. 

03:08
if you're watching that and that's one of the big things they touted was watching your own personal theater. Yeah, I mean that that is actually a pretty bad halfway through Batman dark night returns also has a little flashing thing being like hey, put this movie on pause and go swap out your battery. 

Nate
Host
03:23
That is actually pretty substantial yeah. 

Shaun
Host
03:25
I mean two hours, and then probably their ideal be like well, just buy extra battery packs, but Lord only knows how expensive that'll be. 

Nate
Host
03:33
I did not know it was. It was like that. I didn't I get to pick it up on the. Of course they wouldn't be like hey, guess what? 

Shaun
Host
03:39
Only two hours, yeah. And what was I going to say? Oh yeah. Also, one thing they didn't really bring up is it does have a plug into the wall mode you can do, or instead of plugging in the battery pack, I guess you just plug it into a wallet adapter. But another thing is they never said how long the cord is for that setup. So I can just imagine. You know, it's like four foot cord got set right as to an outlet. 

Nate
Host
03:59
Yeah, I don't know man. 

Shaun
Host
04:01
Yeah, it's one of those things that looks cool, but once you start like picking away at it a little bit, it's like hmm, hmm. 

Nate
Host
04:08
I mean seriously, though. I mean I got it was kind of exciting watching the video. It's like, oh man, look at that. You can do all this cool stuff. But I don't know. 

Shaun
Host
04:17
You're like me, we're like. This is still version one, point O beta of this. 

Nate
Host
04:21
Yeah, and I'm like a lot of stuff like plus. I don't know if I want the Apple version. I don't like Apple, I don't. I vary on purpose, don't, don't do Apple? 

Shaun
Host
04:30
This actually brings me out. One thing is I hate about Apple. If iTunes on the PC, that is a main thing. I hate Apple for us. That is one of the worst programs I've ever used on anything. I feel like just clunky and works poorly. I get it. 

Nate
Host
04:43
They wanted to run poorly on PC, so you buy yourself a Mac, but I mean, let's not pretend that all companies aren't evil bastards and they, they would run over a baby if it would make their bottom line a little bit better. Absolutely, let's. Let's agree on that. My issue comes in where it's a Apple is so blatant about it. That's one of the reasons why I stopped using their products. 

Shaun
Host
05:08
They are so smug and their cubers is so large they're just like we want. 

Nate
Host
05:12
It's almost like cult, like following that. Let's them get away with it, yep. 

Shaun
Host
05:17
Don't ever be bad of the Apple, because, oh boy, how do we owe our lives to them. 

Nate
Host
05:21
It's like, ok, we're going to have the whole thing about the chargers. Then, like in Europe, they're like, ok, everyone needs to have I'm sorry, I'm getting hit at myself Reverse, way back in the day, when there is actually, like you know, concern of our how many different kind of chargers there were and how much, you know, the landfills are just filling up. They're like look, you know, they're all these different. Every phone, whatever, has their own proprietary charger and it's just, it's getting ridiculous. Yeah, and even like the family household, you'd have six different wires and went to six different things. 

Shaun
Host
05:54
Yeah, you could have three different iPhones with three different styles of charger on them. At one point, I feel like Right. 

Nate
Host
06:00
And so they're like OK, here's what we're going to do. We're going to just make it one universal, and it was the USB. It wouldn't see, but USB whatever. 

Shaun
Host
06:07
Micro is the first one. They try, yeah, micro. 

Nate
Host
06:12
And that's that worked, you know, and the Android phones all did it and all every company did it, except for Apple's like yeah, we're not going to do it that way. 

Shaun
Host
06:18
And so it's better. 

Nate
Host
06:20
And then they had, of course, their chargers break. You look at it wrong, they stop working. And I mean that goes even for like the off brand too. I mean, I'm the only one in this house who doesn't, who doesn't like Apple. Everyone else has Apple. My wife still tries to give me crap for not having Apple because she's like, well, we can do these things together. I'm like, well, we're not going to. 

Shaun
Host
06:42
Like we can do FaceTime. We can do FaceTime, Like oh I know we can, but we're not going to because I refuse, ever since I had that one, apple, you could always Skype instead to use Facebook Messenger's kind of stuff, so I can't remember which one it was. 

Nate
Host
06:55
I can't remember which one it was, but like I went in to get taken care of, like I think this is back of water, killed everything, and Ella was, or August stole a baby and she got a little her sippy cup and like, drop some water in there. It wasn't a big deal, but like I wiped it off, it seemed to work fine. But then eventually my like the plug for the head outlet. Wow, words are leaving me. The headsets, yes, the headsets, god, lord, it's been a hell of a day. So my headset would stop working, like it wouldn't work unless I, like I don't know, held it just so. So it was not the wire, because, of course, the first thing you think is the wire. I used different headsets, didn't work. So I went in there and he's like, has it got any water? And I'm like, no, I don't believe so. Well, he took it in the back and did whatever they need to do and they came out there's a little red dye. He's like, see, look, it's red dye. You can't Sorry, you're out of luck. 

Shaun
Host
07:46
I'm like really there's water in there. 

Nate
Host
07:49
Yeah, like apparently water came to contact and apparently we'll come to find out later Like humidity would do that it didn't necessarily mean water came to contact, because that when she put those little sippy cup on there it wasn't enough to soak it. I mean a little bit on the screen and again it was a sippy cup, so a little bit of water on there, but not a ton. And by did I would take them in the bathroom and showers and steam Yep. 

Shaun
Host
08:10
I was just about to say humidity. I've heard stories about phones dying in the shower because people take a minute, especially with like the very early waterproofing. People assume that since they're that waterproof, you take them into a hot shower and they'd be fine. But nope, steam gets places, water won't. 

Nate
Host
08:23
Yeah, I mean I never got it in the water water. But yeah, I mean I would say, like when I listen to music, I've got one of those shower like the standing showers, so I just put on the top of the like the metal part of the shower to play music and so yeah, that's. There's a lot of steam in there, because I like when showers hot. So I don't know, ever since then, again, I mean, I know androids. With regards to, I actually think I have a Samsung. So, to get a little more specific, I guess I have a Samsung the. 

Shaun
Host
08:49
Apple of Android phones sort of. 

Nate
Host
08:51
Yeah, kind of yeah not really but not really, but close enough to go ahead and say it Like I'll I'll. I agree that with stipulations. 

Shaun
Host
09:01
Yeah, it's better than Apple phone. I like my Samsung way better than my Apple Right. 

Nate
Host
09:05
And don't get me wrong, samsung's got their problems too. Like let's all agree that their battery life, you know, has had issues in the past. You know, never mind the explodey one of the note eight. I'm just talking about like, just in general. You know, use it. It goes from like oh, it's pretty good battery life to oh, did you use your better? Did you use this phone for like five minutes without having plugged in? 

Shaun
Host
09:25
Yeah, right, you're done. You plug in your charger and it's barely keeping up with the battery drain. 

Nate
Host
09:28
Right, right, I mean, it's gotten better. I mean, hell, I use a Samsung Twenty two or was it ultra twenty two, s, whatever, twenty, ultra, whatever. It's not the most great, latest and greatest, but it's pretty close. Yeah, it was last generation. Yeah, it was last generation. It's a big one and I prefer big phones. You know which is, you know, I know it, I was. I know we're getting off topic, but that's kind of the thing, not really. We're still talking about tech, true, I mean, and I remember, like watching, like Zoo Lender, where they're like, oh, the most high tech phone. They had this teeny, tiny little phone. Everyone kind of assumed phones would get small. Well, the opposite happened, yeah. 

Shaun
Host
10:05
Maybe the joke where people would swallow the phones and choke on them, and Right, right, and so no, I mean they've gotten bigger. 

Nate
Host
10:12
And honestly, the reason why I'm, mine, mine's, bigger is because I don't use my phone as a phone. I do, obviously I call people, you know, and I text, sure, but I'd say 90 percent of my phone usage is playing games, watching things, actually watching things, 90 percent of watching things. I don't really have time to play games much anymore on there. The only game I play now is this one, one game I'm actually kind of getting sick of. So I need to. I'm trying to find a replacement. What is it? It's survivorio. Have you ever played that? I don't think so. It's. I mean it's. 

10:46
It is fairly difficult. You know, at first, like on TikTok, they're like, oh, no one can beat this game. I'd say that it's not. You know, the boards aren't that hard at first, but they do get progressively more difficult. You've got a little dude, he's got a weapon and you, at each round that goes up, you start from like, only just a little bit of weapon you have to level up. It's not quite a roguelike, you know, but anyway it's fun, it's fine, but I am getting sick of it and it's one of those games where, if you really want to get everything out of it, you need to spend money. I'm not going to do that. 

Shaun
Host
11:19
Yeah. 

Nate
Host
11:20
I just won't, I refuse. So that game was just going to be. I'll play it until I'm done. Actually, right now I'm not. I'm probably not going to delete it, because Ella's been playing it and I'm like, ok, you know, it's fine. Yeah, I'm not really losing anything for her. 

Shaun
Host
11:34
Yeah, it's not just taking up a gig of storage on your phone. 

Nate
Host
11:38
Well, yeah, yeah, I mean on top of that. Well, my phone has a 540 gigs, you know. And another thing about the Apple phones is both all three August, ivy and Jenny all three of the phones are maxed out like they're having to go through to leave videos and photos of their phone and they're like, well, you could purchase more space. 

Shaun
Host
11:59
Yeah, that's what they're trying to get you to do is buy their cloud storage bonus. 

Nate
Host
12:02
And what they did. That's the frustrating thing. They did buy cloud storage, but that cloud storage is for photos and so my girls are playing against an impact. It doesn't have that store. So, yeah, they got storage, but, yeah, Ivy is like we need to buy more storage that will allow us you know, allow me clouds for like anything outside or I don't know. I don't know how it works, I haven't looked into it, I might. I just know they talk about they're bugging me to buy more storage and I'm like I have. My phone currently has 240 gigs is on my phone right now. That's how much storage I have in my phone I still have. That's not even half of the available storage I have in my phone I have and I'm like why do you still have an? 

Shaun
Host
12:45
Apple phone and they still have. They not uninstalled the application in like years on their phone, or something. 

Nate
Host
12:49
Well, no, they do. They do occasionally and of course you know even again, like Genshin, impact gets a bloat. So they should probably uninstall and reinstall and out, yeah it's 30,000 patches get downloaded for it. 

13:00
Right August is finally just deleted up a phone. She's been. She was playing for quite a while. She was a higher level than anyone else, you know Ivy. I mean she had almost not quite beat the game or her levels were really high, and the thing is they dumped a bunch of actual real money into it. I got kind of frustrated for, like Ivy bought, or Ivy got $75 in Apple money and she spent all of it on Genshin. 

Shaun
Host
13:25
Yeah, it's one thing that surprised me, because I've gone on spurts where I'm just like oh hey, look, I can buy that for $10 and it's on sale for it. 

Nate
Host
13:32
Oh, I know, I know, no, no, no, it's different, because less I say bought I mean gamble, because gotcha, they, they go in there and you get OK here's. You know you get wishes and each wish costs so much and in order to get so much, you buy these things and use that as currency to get your wish. And then you may not like they were a specific character, they, she spent $75 and still didn't get that character she wanted. So that, yeah, that's messed up, like that's my problem with it. 

Shaun
Host
14:05
This kind of stuff is going to lead to a lot of gambling addictions later in life. 

Nate
Host
14:08
Oh, it is like there there are actually. I mean, it's not already doing it because they're only legitimate concerns on some of the Xbox games. I think it was like FIFA and things like that were. Oh man, those that FIFA the lucrate, that's just a racket. 

Shaun
Host
14:21
Yeah. 

Nate
Host
14:21
Yeah, it is. It really is like there, I think, europe. They got sued because it's gambling, yep, and these children are gambling with real money. Mm hmm, it's a racket. You know it's a racket. 

Shaun
Host
14:34
Yeah, oh, go back to what you're saying about how phones are supposed to get smaller and smaller. They were getting smaller and smaller until people started using for stuff other than phones. As soon as they became like a miniature laptop, that's when they started getting big again. 

Nate
Host
14:44
Fair enough, when the smartphone came out. 

Shaun
Host
14:46
Yeah, so it was like hey, we got full fledged web browsers on a phone. People are like we need something bigger than T8. Now, yeah, that that makes sense. 

Nate
Host
14:55
Yeah, I mean, I think the first time I realized I needed a bigger phone it was what game was it? It was a game recently, hey man sniper. No, no, xcom. Okay, it was XCOM on the iPhone and so which I loved it. You know I was playing just fine, but then you know, as time, kind of like, I got upgraded on the phone and then also they're like well, this game won't work on there anymore. 

Shaun
Host
15:24
Oh, I hated that. 

Nate
Host
15:26
It's like we're not updating this. It's like dude. 

Shaun
Host
15:29
Especially when it was like hey, now that you're on iOS 7.0, you can't play this game ever again. Yeah, because I think civilization revolutions was that way, Yep. 

Nate
Host
15:39
Yeah, which I mean? I don't know. I know I had civilization revolutions, and well, they even did that. On the Android though, but even the Android they're like okay, you can't play it anymore. 

Shaun
Host
15:49
Oh yeah, that's what I was thinking of Civs revolutions on the Android. 

Nate
Host
15:53
And messed up. 

Shaun
Host
15:54
Yeah, it really is. It's not financially feasible for them to do that. 

Nate
Host
15:59
I mean part of me. I get it Like okay, you can keep on updating your phone game. You know you're not really running anymore. Fine, but it's just. I want to say too. 

Shaun
Host
16:09
I wonder, is there going to be games on this Apple Vision Pro? Because everything they're talking about releasing games but all the stuff they're really showing now is more multimedia featured, like taking pictures and watching TV and watching movies, and I guess some like desktop work too, because you see them like doing office kind of tasks on it in the video. 

Nate
Host
16:28
Well, they mentioned they briefly mentioned games, and I mean honestly that Google, that I was like Google Glass, because it's the basic upgrade version of that. But I would actually would mind playing, like you know, instead of Was it the 3D or the virtual reality with other VR headset for the PS4? I would, I would mind that on the PS4. Just, I don't know. 

Shaun
Host
16:53
Yeah, it kind of looks like you'll play your PS4 through it one way or another. Maybe they're using the PS4 controller, but there was one scene where the latest playing, I believe, is NBA 2K on or on a big giant digital screen in front of her. 

Nate
Host
17:05
But why would you play? I mean, I don't know if they didn't get their licensing to do it, but like, why would you display If you could pick a game to demonstrate, like what to play? I mean, I know we can play by this earlier, but you, skyrim. 

Shaun
Host
17:22
Yeah probably they'd have to pay for the rights to use. That I'm guessing. Well, yeah, there's a good chance of game there. 

Nate
Host
17:28
There's three grand for this thing. They can spend a few dollars for like okay, let's get, or you know what not? If not Skyrim, fair enough, then use another game similar to me. I know there's no game exactly like Skyrim, but there are other games where you're walking through forests and whatnot. 

Shaun
Host
17:45
Also, skyrim is an old game so it might kind of look like crap on something newer like the Apple video yeah, that game is kind of getting along in the tooth man. I bet you, if we fired it up right now it'd be like oh, oh, I have recently. 

Nate
Host
17:58
It definitely shows its age. You know, I like playing the VR version. I do still like, oh, that's really kind of cool. But I have the original VR, the first VR that came off PlayStation and it's I don't know. I remember when I first tried the VR thing like, this is amazing, I've never seen anything like it. And then I started actually like paying attention to it and I went well, this isn't as high tech as I thought it was, this isn't like real life. I feel cheated. Yeah, I mean yeah it, just yeah. 

Shaun
Host
18:34
also, you need to play different games on it too, because you kind of have limited experience on the games. Yeah, I mean most of the games you played have been like games that already existed, that had VR thrown on after the fact, and those aren't really the best examples of VR games, to be honest. 

Nate
Host
18:48
True, well, I mean, I've still played the fruity shooter I'd like to play, but honestly, the main thing that my girls play is Jops Simulator. 

Shaun
Host
18:56
Oh yeah, yeah, it's built around. 

Nate
Host
18:58
VR and they thought I mean, but still it's like, and that is because it's so cartoony, it works as hell too. Yeah, it works, yeah, they like it, it's funny, it's fine, but I don't know. I want something like in my VR experience. I want something like the Skyrim, but higher, and I also don't get sick. 

Shaun
Host
19:21
Dramamine yeah. 

Nate
Host
19:23
Dramamine probably a good idea. 

Shaun
Host
19:26
Yeah, and if Dramamine makes you drowsy, non drowsy Dramamine doesn't work as good, but it will still help a lot. 

Nate
Host
19:32
Oh yeah, dramamine knocks my ass out. 

Shaun
Host
19:34
Yeah, so try the Dramamine, non drowsy. It doesn't work quite as good, but it will knock off the motion sickness a bit. Oh, and also random thought Remember I were talking about Apple and its hubris and the stuff it likes to make you do? Do you remember back when, way back when, when they decided that everybody would love a new U2 album on their iPhone and iPod and they pushed it on there? Yes, Could you imagine if they did that with this thing and you just fire up the Apple vision all of a sudden Bono's in your living room and just won't go away? Oh, so you're like oh, Bono's like yep, Apple, put me here. I'm going to sit here and lecture you on crimes in Africa until you do something. 

20:10
It's like uh, we have Bono like following you around through the house, whispering in your ear. 

Nate
Host
20:14
He's whispering help me, I can't stay. 

Shaun
Host
20:17
He won't let me go. I signed something without reading it and I regret it. He's like help. 

Nate
Host
20:26
Yeah, that's Apple's favorite thing. Sign things like. We're going to give you this a long ass list that no one will ever, you know, read. 

Shaun
Host
20:33
It's at the very top of it. It was like do you want to be famous for the rest of time? And if you don't read the fine print, it's like well, enjoy it in digital world, where you're trapped in a hell of your own making. 

Nate
Host
20:45
That's South Park. Now get you a human centipede. 

Shaun
Host
20:50
Yep got to make sure to read those terms of conditions. 

Nate
Host
20:54
I mean I'll be honest with you. I mean I was read, I was watching that and I got excited. You know I I could totally see why people excited about that. No, not that, Ha no, the um. You know what we're talking about. The whole point of this podcast it's, you know, it's like it, it looks exciting and also like I tracking on it. 

Shaun
Host
21:14
I tracking is kind of cool where you just look at something and knows what you're looking at. There's a little bit of calibration beforehand, but yeah, it just reads your pupils and knows exactly what you're looking at, and which is awesome. 

Nate
Host
21:23
I mean I really it. 

Shaun
Host
21:25
Psbl2 has it too, so it's nothing new, but apparently it is a really cool and works really well. And I guess, in order to select things, you just pinch your fingers together. Did you catch that in the video? 

Nate
Host
21:35
Like well, she was kind of like being all sly with her hands Like the main lady they were doing. She was just kind of like down on the download is like kind of moving around. 

Shaun
Host
21:43
Yeah, Well, what it is is there's a cameras at the bottom of the glasses. They're like literally pointed down at your crotch which those will probably have a future, future programs. But those cameras just register your hands and they just wait for your hands to like tap together your index finger and your thumb tap together and takes that as like a double click. But my thought was is there's a lot of really fidgety people out there. Even I'm fidgety in that way sometimes and I don't know if I want the camera reading me all the time, like putting my hands around and stuff. Right, yeah. 

Nate
Host
22:14
Well, you know, like almost immediately porn. Oh, absolutely the porn studio is working on stuff. 

Shaun
Host
22:24
Yeah, I hope it's gonna be. What do you maybe think it was? There's a married with children episode where Bud Bundy gets to try out a VR porn for the first time. They basically strap this big headset on him and lame down his chair and he's like full body suit and there's this giant like clip on the front of the crotch where they just take this giant like corner like chunka and turn it on. One thing I saw, actually as a side note, that people should talk more about this. I feel like that was a really cool idea. On this Apple Vision Pro, they actually have it built in for little in inserts on the inside where you can slide in prescription lenses. So if you wear glasses all the time, they'll actually come out like little prescription slides you can like slide in between the eye pieces and between your eyes and the headset so you can see better without having glasses on. 

Nate
Host
23:13
I was actually wondering about that. As they're watching the video. They're like I was, like I wear glasses, I mean I mean it's not too bad, like on the PSVR it's not too bad because you know it's not right on your face. 

Shaun
Host
23:27
Yeah, it's also lower resin stuff too, which probably you don't feel like you're missing as much. So I thought that was kind of neat because, yeah, a lot of those headsets don't don't seem to really take in consideration people's glasses. 

Nate
Host
23:39
I like on the video, like this random chick walks up, starts talking to her. She's like oh hey, just talking like normal. I'm like you've got a big giant thing in your head. 

Shaun
Host
23:47
Yeah, well, there's that feature where, if you're talking to somebody, did you notice where, like, her face appeared on the lens of the headset she was talking on? Basically, if you're watching something like if you're seeing they're watching TV on the thing, your headsets the lens on the headset is going to be blank to show that you're often cyberspace doing whatever. But if somebody starts talking to you and you look at them, that blank screen on the front of the glasses will actually turn into a picture of your face. 

Nate
Host
24:12
So I know you're actually like it. 

Shaun
Host
24:13
Yeah, so people know you're interacting and talking to them, but it's not actually your face. It's showing, it's a digital recreation, that it's always for the FaceTime stuff. No, no, it's also, for it is for the FaceTime stuff mainly, but also that, yeah, when the glass on the front of the thing makes it becomes a transparent looking, it's actually just showing you the 3D digital avatar, because the front of it is actually screened. Yeah, very uncanny valley, kind of thing, I mean. 

Nate
Host
24:40
I guess I kind of get it. 

Shaun
Host
24:41
So that way you know, people don't have to like wear makeup all the time when they're doing it to look good outside the mask. But yeah, I don't know I don't know, I guess, kind of. 

Nate
Host
24:49
Well, as you know, I could think of. I tell you what. It's better than the Facebook thing they were doing. 

Shaun
Host
24:54
Oh, metaverse, oh, that was one of the dumbest things ever, especially with how up their own ass they were about it, because I remember one point they were like within 10 years, like 40% of everything we do will be in the metaverse, or something idiotic like that they're saying. 

Nate
Host
25:09
Yeah it. I can remember where I heard like so someone would actually use it for a job, and it was awful. 

Shaun
Host
25:18
Yeah, apparently Facebook employees were supposed to use it but nobody used them because nobody liked them. Yeah yeah, one thing about metaverse 2 is Disney actually had big plans for the metaverse and supporting them, they scrapped all their plans and kind of moved all their ideas to the, to Apple now, and they're fully backing this Apple vision pro, which you know. That could be a good thing, but well, it could be a good sign for the thing. 

Nate
Host
25:40
Well, that makes sense because, again, this is not a full VR. You're still there's augmented reality and yeah, it's, it's changing what you see, but you're not exactly like. Oh, you're, you know, look around, you're in a fucking thing. Yeah, it looks like has a capability of doing that. It actually does. 

Shaun
Host
25:57
For the movie watching. I was watching a demonstration on the movies and you have multiple things. You can either have it set up so it's just like a screen floating in front of you, like you know, like a TV would be. You can put it up so it's almost like an entire panorama view where the screen's like almost all of your view site but you can look to the left and look to the right and like, look around it. Or you could set it up to where it's almost just like the full panoramic thing but everything else around you is like your outdoors in the woods or in an actual theater, so it is like a full disconnection from reality. If you click whatever button, it is enough. 

Nate
Host
26:27
Which is fine. I mean I like the idea, just unfortunately, I mean I just I very rarely can do that. 

Shaun
Host
26:36
Oh yeah, especially with kids and whatnot. I mean you'd get that on and get all comfortable and awesome. Like dad, I want to have Sam H. Can I make you this with this on no. 

Nate
Host
26:48
Yeah, I don't know. I wish I had the ability to do that. I would separate myself like that. Sometimes yeah, sometimes I do, but even at night, when I'm you know, god, lord knows, you know we're playing games at night it's like, okay, I'm finally done, everyone's in bed, this, that and the other and I sit down to play and it's like, oh look, um, daddy, I get this. Daddy, I need that. Like dog scratching at the door. Dog scratching at the door, just, I mean it's gotten bad. Like I mean, of course it's just being a parent, but like I'll go to bed next thing. You know, it's like I can't sleep. 

Shaun
Host
27:25
I'm like, well, that's what you want me to do about it. 

Nate
Host
27:29
My biggest, that is my biggest annoyance. I can't sleep. Well, what the fuck do you want me to do? 

Shaun
Host
27:34
Yeah, I can't sleep now, you can't either. Ha, ha. 

Nate
Host
27:37
Have fun, like then lay there until you can. What do you, what do you need? Of course I'm gonna try. I'll talk to him with stuff. My, I will admit like, night time me is a monster. Like if you wake me up in the middle of the night, I, I really I do not want to be a jerk. I don't want to be a jerk. However, I'm going to be a jerk because I'll be I don't know. 

Shaun
Host
28:00
I just yeah, the fact you say you don't want to be jerk means you're not that big of a monster. 

Nate
Host
28:04
Well, I mean, I'm not like killing people, but I can't. I am biting people's heads off, just like what? Get the fuck out of my bedroom. 

Shaun
Host
28:11
Close your goddamn door. If I hear one more fucking peep out of you, I'm coming in there. 

Nate
Host
28:15
That kind of stuff. Oh well, no, I'll go that far. Yeah, see that's like. 

Shaun
Host
28:19
that's not even a monster in my idea, so okay. 

Nate
Host
28:21
We have different ideas in my, I guess well, my parents were a lot shitterer than you are as a parent. 

Shaun
Host
28:25
Yeah, I'm not. 

Nate
Host
28:26
I don't go that far, yeah, I'm just very short and I can't, I can't be shittery. 

Shaun
Host
28:30
And then your dad just like stands out in the room. I fucking heard you move Like eh, one thing that was kind of neat about this is you can take like fully 3D videos. I guess Like if you put on the headset and you know you got your kids playing around from you, you can push a button and it'll do like a full 3D recording that you can watch back at any time. I'm guessing the only recording only looks good played back on the headset, so another kind of limited feature. But yeah, they had this whole thing where it's like hey, you can like completely relive this whole moment again with 3D recordings. You did. It's just like they're there again in front of you, which made me picture, like you know, lonely people like reliving their dead relatives over and over again and like some sort of sad loop. 

Nate
Host
29:12
I actually thought that too. It's like whatever I see, videos like that, like oh, look at the kids running around. I always flash these movies where there's like this guy's like drunk and all sad looking at his family. 

Shaun
Host
29:24
Yeah, you go over your uncle Jim's place and he's just got like that headset on for like two days straight just crying his eyes out over his dead wife. He's like, dude, are you okay? Ah, she's still here with me. You're like maybe you should get outside. Nah, yeah, because I couldn't see that actually happening. 

Nate
Host
29:40
Oh, absolutely, you can tell me that's like no one would ever do that. 

Shaun
Host
29:43
Well, especially even Apple was kind of touting the whole. Remember back when Avatar came out and everybody was like I want to go to my own personal world, my own little reality. I want to hide away from this reality and go to Avatar world. Remember when that was kind of a thing people were talking about? Well, apple's kind of hyping this as being that option where it's like, hey, man, you want to escape from reality, you go to the you know the African Congo without leaving your living room. Watch what them horrible Belgian people did to the poor people of the African Congonese. Uh yeah. 

Nate
Host
30:13
Big John A, so I'll take you. 

Shaun
Host
30:16
Smash your head. Huh, yeah, I don't like that movie Congo. I got you. What's that? 

Nate
Host
30:21
the name of the movie that wasn't the name of the movie there you go. 

Shaun
Host
30:25
The book was better. 

Nate
Host
30:26
Yeah, that's what I heard. I feel like, oh, the book is way, but I mean, that's, that's also kind of cliche. Of course the book was better. 

Shaun
Host
30:34
The book's almost like. 

Nate
Host
30:34
Sometimes the movie is as good as a book because they're, on this, legit like, legit like. No question. I read the book and I saw the movie. I was so severely disappointed. 

Shaun
Host
30:45
Yeah, because you're like, hey, this is only vaguely like what the book talked about and you just know some screen right, god Holden's like well, I know how to make this better. 

Nate
Host
30:55
I mean, I don't know. Just, they really did drop the ball on that one. 

Shaun
Host
31:01
Yeah, I don't really remember anything like that. I mean, these are turrets out or you know laser controlled machine guns out in the woods and waited for white gorillas to attack, or something, something like that. Yeah, I mean, it was gorillas and I think, and yeah, maybe I think the gorilla's in the mist, where Sigourney Weaver, like took a militant action. 

Nate
Host
31:22
Like went to war against gorilla poachers? No, it's definitely it, it was definitely gorilla. Well, the gorilla's that in the wild they just roll up the people and, like, smash their heads. 

Shaun
Host
31:38
You're like like squish. I just picture you're like little freshman paddles back. We're gonna paddle your ass. Kids Right. Schools out for someone's like playing in the background and gorillas are chasing down people paddles and whacking their asses. 

Nate
Host
31:47
Well, maybe it was that that was a dazed and confused. Dazed and confused yeah. 

Shaun
Host
31:53
Not bad movie. Yeah, not bad movie at all. Actually, I haven't seen it since way back in the day either, so I mean, who knows how it's aged, but it was one of the guys that was with the guy that was with the what's his face kind of first made his first big splash. It was a alright, alright, alright oh yeah, um, um, um, um that dude, yep, yep, I'll think of a later. Yeah, yeah me too. All I can think about is Texas dude who plays bongos naked. So that guy too. 

Nate
Host
32:22
That's you yeah that's him. 

Shaun
Host
32:26
Yeah, there he was. Yeah, he was the one who was the Lincoln. 

Nate
Host
32:34
Those were really stupid commercials. 

Shaun
Host
32:36
Yeah, they really were Easy work for him, though I mean, it's literally hey, do this 30 second voice over and just sit in the driver seat of a Lincoln for five minutes Enjoy your two. You ever watch a Jim Carrey make fun of those. Uh, uh, huh. I saw South Park make fun of him. 

Nate
Host
32:52
Well, it was an. It's a SNL where Jim Carrey did like that I could imagine that I mean nothing's you carry is not I don't know. It's like Jim Carrey he recently he's got a lot more like unfunny. 

Shaun
Host
33:10
Yeah, I mean, do that serious midlife crisis actor, sort of thing. 

Nate
Host
33:13
I mean part of me gets like. He's like, oh, anti gun, and I mean I'm not exactly pro gun. 

33:18
Um, I have by any stress and imagination, but uh, I also remember that guy and he and he was getting all like anti gun of movies. Right after he came he was in, um, it was it, kick ass too where he was a a gun guy and he's gonna shoot people. So it's like, okay, you're gonna make a movie with, uh, like a Milton gun dude shooting bad guys, and then you could turn around and say, oh and no guns are bad. 

Shaun
Host
33:50
No, maybe that role opened his eyes to the evils of the game. 

Nate
Host
33:56
I mean, I don't know, I, I, I get it's complicated. This is new one, so that again, I don't. 

Shaun
Host
34:00
I do not want this to be a political podcast, but it's let's just all agree it's new ones yeah also because Jim Carrey's kind of one of those all or nothing sort of guys like if he's anti gun, he's fully anti gun. Or you know, if he's vegetarian he's fully vegetarian, not you know halfway. 

Nate
Host
34:16
I mean, I'm fine with Paul, I'm fine with actors and public figures, um, wearing their clothes or whatever, um, just I don't, I don't know. I also don't know where my, where my lines are, because just don't try to shove them down, that's they don't try to shove them down my throat, even if I agree with you, like you know, for instance the the movie oh, this is a movie you ever see. Uh, oh, what was it called? Uh, sausage party. 

Shaun
Host
34:48
Yes. 

Nate
Host
34:49
And the movie was just like okay, look, I might share your beliefs, but this is a religious movie. You might be, you know, this might be like an atheist movie. 

Shaun
Host
35:02
You know, but this is a real. I know all the hallmarks. 

Nate
Host
35:08
All the hallmarks yeah, all the hallmarks of one of those cheesy-ass Christian movies, except it's just not Christian. 

Shaun
Host
35:14
Yeah, and so I mean it uses that same formula though yes, I guess I could see it trying to be like, hey, we'll beat them at their own game, but it's like that ideal doesn't really work yeah. 

35:30
I I don't know what's not fan. Yeah, one thing I'm not a fan either about Apple stuff is if it breaks, it's really hard to fix, and I was wondering about this headset, like if the strap breaks or if a screw pops out on it. That seems like one of those things that'd be like oh, we can't fix that. 

Nate
Host
35:42
Buy a new headset. Alright, yeah, how? 

Shaun
Host
35:44
much do they get to charge you for? Yeah, because I was looking the. Yeah because I was like looking that headset band and everything. I mean it doesn't really matter if you're a part or you know, if your dog choose a wire apart. I mean that charging wire could be very expensive because you'd like to be like well, people are going to take good care of it but no, that's not how it works. 

Nate
Host
36:02
Yeah, do you know? 

Shaun
Host
36:02
people have you ever seen them before, right? Oh yeah, I let my little nephew try it and things went horribly wrong. But that's just how things I don't know. 

Nate
Host
36:11
Yeah, I don't know. Like I, I am. 

Shaun
Host
36:14
We're typically excited about this, but we know this isn't going to be it. 

Nate
Host
36:18
It's kind of getting from us, yeah, and honestly not from Apple, like it's not. Whoever it's going to be, it's not going to be from Apple. 

Shaun
Host
36:26
Whoever comes out with a really cheap Chinese knockoff for 250 bucks that works almost as good, it will probably be the one that gets it. 

Nate
Host
36:32
Yeah, I mean or that's the one who will like be like I'm not going to be. Like I'm not going to be like I'm not going to be, like I'm actually looking forward to a world where something like that is useful. I mean, I would love to like be watching my stuff, you know, but yeah, the day people are walking around with that in their face no, I mean Google, google Glasses, brand for a while, and I think about seeing one person ever like legit, just kind of come in and wearing it. 

Shaun
Host
37:03
Well, that's more than I've ever seen too. Yeah, and it was at a game where I was like I don't know, Did you have a bunch of questions for him? Because? 

Nate
Host
37:11
Lord knows I would have been no, because I I kind of don't want to do that. I don't want to give him the satisfaction. 

Shaun
Host
37:17
That's true, you're just waiting for somebody to ask you about them, aren't you? I'm not going to indulge you on that. No see, what you do is you start asking questions and whenever they get all smug about it, you start shitting on it. 

Nate
Host
37:27
Yeah, I, I don't know Like, even like celebrities I've seen, I've, you know, working retail, the places I've worked at. I've actually run a brand pit, but I've, yeah, I've run into hey, there's that what the lady off the channel for? Locally, Like there was a wrestler I forgot his name. I've had a few actors come in. It's like and I couldn't tell you their names, but it's definitely like oh hey, you know it's that guy. 

37:50
It's that guy. Yeah, you were in the thing that one time. Hey, that's my Howard. Yeah, I've definitely run, had like actors come in and like celebrities, but I refused to like even give them like I wouldn't even show my face. I don't even know if I'm here, these actors going oh, I can't go anywhere. Everyone's always la, la, la la, so I don't even. You know, I don't even give them the shade of recognition. I mean, maybe if they're staring my eyes they might be able to see that clock them, that I know who they are, but I'm not. 

Shaun
Host
38:18
I refuse, after you refuse to acknowledge somebody that, like rich person, goes home, turns out they haven't had an acting gig in decades. They're all depressed, like even the guy at Macy's didn't recognize me. What have I done wrong so far? It goes back to the bottle and cutting himself the one who doesn't. 

Nate
Host
38:35
They're like wouldn't even consider him really stars. It was what was it? It was? It was a live. There was a dating show. I mean this is like decade or two ago and what was it? 

38:48
It was a show where, like these people, these like kind of uppity rich girls or, like you know, prissy girls, they were dating this Australian outback guy, like you know, the crocodile, dundee dude, yeah, and it was like a dating show where they were married or whatever. Well, they came in and it was not that long after the show aired and, dude, he looked like a beaten man. I mean I don't know what happened to him. I don't even I, I'm not, I'm not going to try. I mean I'm sure if I went on Google searching, I could find out what happened. My guess is they got divorced because, yeah, she, you know she was a total C word and he just he was very polite and like, just was done with him. Like, man, you gotta, you need to go back to the, you need to go back to the outback, you actually you need to take her with you. And it accidentally run into one of thousands of things that will kill you. 

39:43
Yeah Right, just leave her with a pack of dingoes and see what happens. Yeah, when she gets up and she she's sleeping the middle night, you get up, you get your jar with one of those poison spiders that are everywhere. 

Shaun
Host
39:53
It's kind of dropping on her face like whoops. So well she said talks like the spider bites her and the spider dies. The spider didn't deserve that. Oh yeah, and one last thing brought about this Apple vision. That might be kind of cool. I thought, um, if they could actually make it so you could be like courtside at a basketball game or at a concert, you know, be front row center with Dave Matthews sitting there and that uh headset on, that I could picture being cool if done right. 

40:21
Although oh yeah person who's talking about was like especially if they make a cheap like $10 a ticket. But as soon as I heard them like, oh, no, no, no, no, if there was like a cheap like $10 a ticket or something stupid. I mean it should be $10 because it's digital and it's not real, quote, unquote. But you know you're paying for the exclusivity to be able to do that. 

Nate
Host
40:40
Well, I don't know if it's still around. They're like there's a app called Umbrella or something like that. I can't remember what it is, but the zombie making app. I can't be awesome Now, uh, this is like it. Uh, people go, people like live stream stuff and people like for Dave Matthews. My wife would be like sometimes she would just sit there and watch like people. It's live stream stuff. I'm not. I'm not a massive Dave Matthews fan. I do like him. My, my wife's converted me. I'm not, but you know I don't listen. I don't listen to him like because I choose to. He's not on. A few of the songs are my playlist. By no means is he like anywhere near the top people I listen to. Yeah, uh, but Jenny, just like she, she has followed him since the beginning of his career and you know most of the concert there have been to his Dave Matthews glasses that she could put on and it's very at least Hang up backstage with the band, or whatever. 

41:34
Yeah, but that's also stream, like stream those umbrellas like people have uh, they're holding their phones up in the concert and just like recording him and live streaming it, and so those are pretty cool, although you are getting the full experience of being in the crowd. 

Shaun
Host
41:47
being the negative, experience to you, which is people yeah, people yeah. 

Nate
Host
41:51
They're walking in front of the camera, people are singing along like he's trying to sing the whole fucking time and the song. Yeah, I'm like dude, just I mean, but again it's, that's. That's the concert experience. 

Shaun
Host
42:05
Yep, that's exactly what the concert experience is, hey, somebody puked on my shoes. 

Nate
Host
42:09
This is awesome. Yeah, oh man, the last time we went to the Gorge to see Dave Matthews, that was hilarious. Like these fucking people in front of us, um, they had a big water pitcher but it's full of vodka and like this one dude almost finished it off like he. And here's a thing like, have you ever been to the Gorge? No, so if you're in the Gorge, this is actually when the few places, like if you're in the seats, it's actually worse than if you're behind the seats, in the grass behind you, because in the grass, like, yeah, you're not as close, but you still got, you can still see just fine, and you know, you actually get a lot more relaxed because you can lay down on a blanket or whatever. 

42:46
Like the second time, um, whether or not you went there, there was a little outcropping of rocks. They like a little kind of you know, but I mean we were, it would. But anyway, the incline is really steep and these people, poor bastards, were so drunk and they're just trying to stand there but because of the almost near 45 degree dip, they, they could not, like he, just he was struggling to even maintain vertical, we might see some deal with them One way trip to a hospital is really funny. 

Shaun
Host
43:24
Yeah, so it's a little fun music things you see when you get out. 

Nate
Host
43:29
Yeah, I mean, I'm not, I haven't been to make concerts. The most, like I said, 90% of the concerts I've been to I even you know even higher than 90 has all been Dave Matthews, because I've got with her. Yeah, before I met, before I started going out with Jenny, I just did go to concerts because in my mind I'm like why would I go to a concert where I'm going to get lower quality and I got to deal with everyone screaming around and I'm like I don't know what I'm going to deal with? I might hear, sure, I might hear the song I'm familiar with, but they, I don't know, for some reason it really bugs me when I'm used to hearing a song, certain, a certain saying, a certain way on the radio, you know, with inflections on this word and like this is held for this long, and you know, and I get the streaming in my head. Put them whenever you go to a live concert. Of course they give me some flair, because they're not going to give you the same thing all the every time. 

Shaun
Host
44:20
So it sounds different from the old one. 

Nate
Host
44:22
It's kind of yeah, like oh the biggest one is it remember hook uh from with a blue traveler oh yeah, the hook brings you back. 

44:32
Well, they released a second version of that. I got updated version of it. I hate it, hate it, but we could again because it's you know, from the 90s I've been singing the same, like the same song. That's been going on the whole time. But I can sing along and I know exactly what's going on. Now you started putting inflections, like drawing things out and adding oh, oh, oh, oh, oh and some of the other stuff. I'm going to talk more, but again, like you know, going back to Dave Matthews and like his stuff, he does the same thing, however it's. I guess I'm used to it and it's fine. You know, every, every song is saying different, every single time, like every, all the kinds of elements to. He's never saying the same song twice, the same way, and it's fine. Well, I think we point out we drain this Google Glass thing. 

Shaun
Host
45:15
I don't know what else to say about it. 

Nate
Host
45:17
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we've gotten everything we really wanted. Um, if it comes out like if the someone's like hey, I'll say, yeah, you know it would be fun to go do a store and demo it like one of those Apple stores. 

Shaun
Host
45:28
Dress up nice and go down there and be like hey, I would like to try sample this new product. Good, my good man. 

Nate
Host
45:33
I look forward to using this future version of whatever iteration comes out. 

Shaun
Host
45:38
I look forward in 20 years when this is affordable enough that we can all use it. Right, yeah, that's the thing, of course, by then it'll probably just like Wi-Fi beam stuff straight into your brain and you won't be able to Pop in some uh contacts and then just okay, there we go. Yeah, I was like contacts. 

Nate
Host
45:57
Sorry, the the the word black. Yeah, put some contacts in like those Batman contacts from yeah, I could totally see that being a thing eventually. 

Shaun
Host
46:05
So I mean, and then definitely be like, okay, everything's everywhere, That'd be much better than like a eight and eight millimeter jack like in your brain, like a little hole that you actually plug something in. Right, I remember that in some movies back to him like I don't want a hole in my head, that I've plugged stuff in my head and I'm like I'm gonna get a little bit of stuff. 

Nate
Host
46:22
I do think it's funny how, um and when. The first thing I thought of, even when, like VR stuff, I thought of this, is like, I do think it's funny how, like, oh yeah, don't sit too close to TV screen, I'll make it. It's bad for your eyes. Now they're like never mind, the TV screen is on your eyes like literally you can't escape is smashed on your face. 

Shaun
Host
46:37
Yeah, apparently from what I read, that a hole don't sit too close to TV was always a urban legend. Yeah, I heard the same. Yeah, it's because the reason kids are sitting close to the TVs because they're sitting close to the TVs is that they actually see clearly, not that they're sitting close. That they got bad eyes yeah, they put in the carpet before the horse. 

Nate
Host
46:55
I feel, I feel like a moron because that makes perfect sense. I've never heard someone say that and that you're the first person that I hear that. Actually put it that way. That makes absolute sense. 

Shaun
Host
47:06
People are like little Johnny got bad eyes because it's sitting so close to TV, is like no, the little Johnny has by it outside, so he's sitting close to the TV, so let's see what's going on. 

Nate
Host
47:13
Yep, that makes perfect sense. 

Shaun
Host
47:15
I don't know why, once I heard that I'm gonna go, but in this episode on a good knowledge bomb, yay, yay, good times. This is where the ending jingle goes. This is where the ending jingle goes. I don't know if we need one, I don't know if we'll get one, but if not,