Shaun
Host
00:00
This is Off To Off Topic, a show where two men with the attention spans of a squirrel try and fail to stay on topic with today's subject. Where will their oral meanderings take us? Well, stick around and listen, because today's Off To Off Topic topic is the second half of our episode on that chaotic scamp, John Waters. 

Shaun
Host
00:18
In the first half we discussed his life from fetus to pink flamingos. In this episode we pick up right after that, talking about his movie Female Trouble and the rest of his career. 

Shaun
Host
00:28
Enjoy 1974's Female Trouble would be Waters' next movie and it's one of his personal favorites. Actually, this is the movie where Devine gets anger over the fact her parents didn't get her some cha-cha heels for Christmas and thus runs away from home and goes on a crime spree with the hopes of getting the death penalty. Apparently, there's some urban legends on what cha-cha heels actually are and a big mystery of what are cha-cha heels. Nobody knows what cha-cha heels are. I just assumed it was kind of shoes you'd wear for dancing the cha-cha or something. 

Nate
Host
00:56
No no. Do they never explain? 

Shaun
Host
01:00
No, they never do. Just at the very beginning the movie Devine opens up the Christmas present and she's like I want to my cha-cha heels. And there's like good girls, don't wear cha-cha heels. Like. 

Shaun
Host
01:09
I want to my cha-cha heels. 

Shaun
Host
01:12
Basically, she just goes on a crime spree and then all of a sudden kind of decides she likes the fame of being a criminal and eventually goes for the ghost stone. It's like I'm going to win the Oscar for being a criminal and get myself the death penalty and eventually Devine does get the death penalty. There you go. Yep, devine is super happy and they'll be like yes, I finally made it. I've done what every criminal wants. I will go down in my prime and I will be remembered for all time as being one of the greatest criminals ever. John Waters wrote this as kind of a parody in a spoof back then, but nowadays, with all the true crime stuff, he's like. This feels like less of a parody and more of like a could be happening right now, sort of zeal. 

Nate
Host
01:50
Right yeah, Cha-cha heels were what was in the suitcase in Pulp Fiction oh. 

Shaun
Host
01:58
I bet you you're right. Those are the famous cha-cha heels. What was the case? Do you know how many people died for these? 

Shaun
Host
02:06
Too many to count. 

Shaun
Host
02:07
Yeah right, this movie basically came about in kind of this was the beginning of John Waters' fascination with crime and true crime stuff because he started visiting Tex Watson in prison of the Manson family, got to know him pretty well. In fact he sat in on the Manson family trial too and was one of those you know back in the day where you could, or you can still do it now. But just go sit in on trial and be one of the guests, just watch what. Yeah, you know back in the day, or actually you can still kind of do it now. You know you could go to a trial and just sit in on trial and watch. 

Nate
Host
02:37
Yeah. 

Shaun
Host
02:37
Yeah, but John Waters was really big into that. Back in the day he even attended the Manson family trial. He was also at the Patty Hearst trial, the Hanafi Muslim massacre and even Watergate. He sat in on all those trials A little side story, a pair of their back. Then. 

02:50
There's a little whole subculture about going around and watching these trials. For the Watergate one it was the hardest one for him to get into Only 10 slots for viewers to come sit, and as he was like sitting in a room while they were announcing who was going to get a pick for the trial, I guess everybody likes to brag about the biggest trials they've been to and the most interesting ones, and John Waters is like I've been to Manson. Other people are like I've been here, I've been there. Some little lady in the corner spoke to him. She was like I was at Nuremberg, Everybody went. Oh, I was at Nuremberg and everybody went oh, and you went, yeah, yeah. They're all like oh, you, which she's good, she's been around. So about that a little bit fun. He says that Court TV basically killed this subculture, though, because now you can just sit at home and watch the trials. 

Nate
Host
03:31
Oh yeah, well why? 

Shaun
Host
03:33
why do all that? Yeah, he does actually still like to go to trials every once in a while just to see what's up. Go hide in the audience or the crowd, but a lot of times he will get noticed. One time even a lawyer was like look, I knew John Waters might show up for this one. We'll talk about that trial in a few minutes. 

03:48
Actually, next film up Desperate Living. This was made in 1977. And this would be the final movie in what's known as his trilogy of trash, which was Pink Flamingos, female Trouble and Desperate Lipping, more or less like the big quote unquote mainstream movies that gotten going at the time, or his most mainstream movies. This, however, was the only way the trilogy that did not feature divine in it. Real quick side note, the eraser head came out at the same time. This movie and John Waters and David Lynch started doing pressers together and actually became very good friends during this time and like to hype up each other's movies. Neat, yeah, david Lynch, john Waters movie would be interesting. I'd watch it. David Lynch is obnoxious. His voice is obnoxious. Who, david Lynch? Yes, really, I like his voice. He's a weird German. I'm going to murder you. Well, I sit here and like bless your you. 

Nate
Host
04:31
Wait, are we talking about the? 

Shaun
Host
04:31
same person. 

Nate
Host
04:32
John Lynch. 

Shaun
Host
04:34
Oh, maybe no, no, no, I think of Werner Herzog. My bad, you are thinking of Werner Herzog. 

Nate
Host
04:38
I'm thinking of Werner Herzog. I'm a hermunk Like German's exact opposite of David Lynch. 

Shaun
Host
04:44
Yep, I don't know why I thought Werner Herzog David Lynch. I do not know David Lynch's voice, actually, so I will believe you that he has a very high pitched, annoying voice. Oh no, google it real quick, it's worth listening to. 

Nate
Host
04:52
Okay, hold on, you must listen to the terror of his voice. 

Shaun
Host
04:58
Oh, he almost kind of almost sounds like a Peter Lorre sort of thing. Yes, and welcome to my kitchen. Yeah. 

Nate
Host
05:06
And then that's not a good voice. And he apparently also had a musical career. It was like the whole shtick was. It was awful. 

Shaun
Host
05:14
What's the matter with kids these days, right? 

Nate
Host
05:16
Yeah. 

Shaun
Host
05:19
Desperate living involved. Meeks stolen the lead role playing a lady known as Peggy Gravel. It's a bourbon housewife who has a nervous breakdown, smothers her husband and goes on the run with her nurse. They wind up in a weird shanty town called Morkville and Weirdness and Seuss yeah, it's actually a very kind of strange move from the clips I saw when they get to that shanty town. It's run by that ED chick, I believe, and she kind of runs it with like an iron fist and makes people do weird stuff for her amusement. Et Chick yeah, the one that sat in the crib and wanted her egg Got you. Yeah, I'm with you. Yep, the movie was overall received well, other than some lesbian groups denounced this film for its portrayal portrayal of lesbians and even managed to get blocked at some theaters. They did not like the militant lesbian aspect that was in parts of it, I suppose. But nowadays, apparently, in a weird twist of fate, those same lesbian groups actually love the movie and will show it on college campuses and be like hey, look at the lesbian lifestyle. 

Nate
Host
06:14
Of course they will, because back there it was like, yeah, time passes, they pull the stick out of their ass. 

Shaun
Host
06:20
They're like oh okay, yeah, it's actually pretty fun. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Oh, here's another random John Waters tidbit. He actually became good friends with Andy Warhol and after Andy Warhol was dead for a documentary, he got to go through Andy Warhol's personal porn collection. It is mostly 70s porn and there's a lot of mullets in it, and when you got that many mullets and erection in a porn it kind of looks like classic art more than actual pornography, I guess. 

Nate
Host
06:44
Yes, like oh, look at this. I mean, there was a. We went to the Chicago Art Museum and there were some just like just naked people standing around like okay, cool, whatever. And then there was one. There was like several shots Like of a guy, like there were a couple of guys and they're a face of an orgasm and I'm like, was this actually while they were like there, or is this like? Oh, there's like, oh, yeah, this is what my face is like. I'm like, well, seeing how this art, I'm willing to bet like a million dollars. This is like no, that's exactly what's happening. 

Shaun
Host
07:20
Yeah, it probably was. And then, right after they made, that face is like can I get my money and go now? 

Nate
Host
07:25
Yeah, yeah, totally, and some of those I mean, I don't know, I appreciate photography, I think it is, you know, a very whatever, but like I don't know, maybe because I'm a you know, I don't take pictures. You know, I actually make my art. I'm not saying mine's great at all, but just still it's like I don't know, you do need an eye for our pictures, but just sometimes it's like I went to the museum like they took a picture of a building, yeah, and not even really like necessarily a good one. 

07:54
It was like yeah, and this one's like this is just some lady standing there, you know, I don't even see like there's. No, it wasn't like Artistic lighting or nothing. 

Shaun
Host
08:04
Yeah, contrast of colors or anything you weird aperture on this to make it. 

Nate
Host
08:09
I didn't see any kind of perspective thing, Nothing. It was just like there's a lady in a room that took a picture of her in some black and white yeah. Okay. 

Shaun
Host
08:17
You know it actually does. It was actually a pretty good artistic photographer, john Waters. He actually has done a art exhibits for it and he has a whole art exhibit at the Baltimore Museum. We'll go into that in a little bit as well. And also, warhol and John Waters were actually friends and Warhol did watch all of John Waters movies and he described them as they're better to talk about than they are to watch. Awesome, yep. And John Waters says I completely, 100% agree with that. Yep, he's like he's right, those early movies better talk about than they were to watch, 1981. 

08:50
The first movie that John Waters sees polyester, and that is Waters first movie that basically flirted with mainstream success, shown up in a lot of theaters and more than just the underground people watching it. Divine was back in the starring role for this one, as was Edith Massey, the crib chick, but unfortunately she would pass away one year, a few years, after this, so this was her last movie. This movie satirized a suburban life in the early 1980s and it was the first Waters movie to garner an R rating instead of X or unrated. And it is actually most famous for this is the movie with the odorama cards. You heard about those odorama cards. 

Nate
Host
09:22
odorama cards, am I assuming they smell? Yep. 

Shaun
Host
09:26
So you see, there's a film critic a while back who said of John Waters, if you ever see John Waters name on a theater marquee, run to the other side of the street and hold your nose because there is filth inside. And John saw that review and said I'll give you something to smell. So he went to 3M and said I want some scratch and sniff cards with these smells on it and when you're watching the movie there'll be like a little thing in the corner. Scratch and sniff spot number one now and you get a smell of what the person is smelling on the screen. Naturally, since it's John Waters, the smells weren't always what you expected. Sometimes they were a surprise. The smells included roses, flatulence, model airplane glue and fun fact for this one, for the reissue they did for the Blu-ray. The studio refused to do model airplane glue because they figured it would get kids huffing glue Pizza gasoline, skunk natural gas, new car smell, dirty shoes and air freshener. Give it a toss you air freshener. 

10:21
I mean, that's really vague, it is very vague, but I mean, that's what the listing said. That's the actual listing from 3M, I think, on what the things were. I don't know. Maybe it was one of those where the chemical name was air freshener. But the actual movie scene was like if you clean outdoors or something, john Stiz, he still has tons of boxes of these odorama cars just laying around his house and occasionally he'll be walking by one of them and apparently you can still very much smell the scratches. If he said they still work after all these years and people actually still show up and have him sign him to like the OG ones, and he has no idea people have held on to him that long, yeah, that'd be like holy shit. Yeah, yeah, that's his reaction to someone coming over to OG one. He'll be like, whoa, nice job, I'm signing it and send them on their way. 

11:04
Then in 2003, the Rugrats movie actually copied the odorama idea. They even copied the logo and the formats of the cards and this kind of irritated John Waters. So he went to sue the Rugrats and that's when he learned New Line Cinema had let the patent laughs on those cards. So Rugrats owed him nothing. New Line Cinema was like Well, let me think of this. No, my, she liked a margin. He's like I like money better. Yeah, yeah, much is great, but yeah, give me the money, give me, give me, give me. Oh, and here's a little fun side thing 1986 rolls around, playboy gives John Waters a chance at one of his life's dreams. He gets to interview the man, the myth, the legend, little Richard, the man he loved so much and wanted to crawl on up and sign and be part of him. Little Richard, at this point, was living in a hotel for various reasons they didn't really go into. I don't know if his money problems are just sometimes for a reason. 

11:55
Yeah, I kind of remember exactly what it was. John shows up, does the interview. And the interview actually started out good, turned out all right, until like the very end when all of a sudden, little Richard got very serious and handed him a basically is kind of like a non disclosure agreement, basically as a contract, saying, hey, little Richard has all rights to edit and change anything in this article you want. Basically, he gets to write the article instead of John Waters. And this came back because I guess little Richard had been in some scandals recently and you know he was very distrustful of the press and just assumed everything was going to be a hit piece. And John looks at the paper. He's like I can't sign this, playboys not gonna listen. I don't want to sign this because you know I've got journalistic integrity and all that jazz. And little Richard literally looked at him dead and I said you are not leaving here until you signed this. 

12:40
And apparently what lasted, what happened, was a several hour long tense standoff between John Waters, the playboy editors and little Richard and little Richard's lawyers and some of the playboy lawyers too, and I guess after a lot of talking and arguing, eventually little Richard finally agreed to let John Waters do the article he wanted and John said the whole thing was an absolute nightmare and could not have gone worse. That sucks. Yeah, that really does suck. He was all excited Apparently. Everything was great. And like right at the end of interview, little Richard got super serious, got this kind of mean look on his face like sign this now. 

Nate
Host
13:13
So that turned out to be. If you're gonna do that, do that upfront, you know. Don't wait till the interview is over. They go in and say hey look, this is what, this is what I need. If you want this interview, we're going this way. That way, you know, john, either a go, oh, I understand your point of view. I don't. I don't work that way. More power to you. You know, really, that's me to be fan by yeah exactly, but probably in a little Richard's mind. 

Shaun
Host
13:39
he was probably like Well, if we do this way, then you'll have to sign it. Then I get to write the article. Maybe it maybe thought he found a loophole. He's like this is genius, nope. Thankfully John Waters stuck to his good. Good job, john. 

Nate
Host
13:50
Well then, if you're trying, if you're, if you're trying to get a puff piece out of this, and then I say a puff piece, but like if you're trying to people, people think you seriously, like don't do something before they leave, that's gonna sour the whole fucking thing. 

Shaun
Host
14:04
Yeah, right, because of all the sudden I'm dealing with that, I'm going from like, yeah, I'm gonna write this nice, fun article. Be like oh my God, how do I translate this now? 

Nate
Host
14:10
Yeah, Now I was like Okay, this went from like a fun piece to now this is the piece. 

Shaun
Host
14:15
Yeah, your opening line goes from I got to interview my hero, little Richard. 

Nate
Host
14:18
To that idiot, little Richard or whatever, yeah, it's like now it's oh yeah, this dude is trapped me in an hotel room Instead of like oh, we had a plus conversation with little Richard. 

Shaun
Host
14:28
Yeah, it would be fun watching a little Richard and John Mars get into a fight too. Now that I think about it, I think real Richard's a little bit bigger than him. 

Nate
Host
14:36
I mean, honestly, I know, the one thing I don't know about little Richard is piano ripped up Woo, yeah, woo, and then fucking oh man, what was it? Hollywood Squares. 

Shaun
Host
14:48
Oh yeah. 

Nate
Host
14:49
You know, it's like a few times. Yeah, like, just basically those kind of game shows were not as like game shows was, like those old shows back in the 80s, yeah, yeah, when a flamboyant black man was a novelty kind of thing is like. 

Shaun
Host
15:01
Oh, look at that he's a confirmed bachelor, ladies? Yeah, he's a confirmed bachelor. Yeah, you remember when that line was all over Hollywood for like, oh he's gay, but he's a confirmed bachelor like Liberace. 

Nate
Host
15:12
Yeah, right, yeah, he's, like you know, refused music. Do you have the time of like? 

Shaun
Host
15:20
I think we know what's going on here. 

Nate
Host
15:21
Yeah, he would. They were more than friends. 

Shaun
Host
15:24
I hate to brush your bubble 1988 comes the movie that would ensure John Waters would have some financial stability in his life. That movie is hairspray. Everyone assumed, since this was John Waters, there's gonna be a super raunchy movie and it was gonna get a R or an X rating. It actually got a PG rating, which shocked the hell out of John and pretty much everybody involved in the movie. Everybody's like, oh, this is gonna get an R rating. In fact, even the studios were like hey man, this PG, this is like gonna be seen as a family movie. This could ruin your career. You need throwing some swear words and let's try to get this closer to an R. That's actually what they said to him. Yeah, they're like hey, matt, you're John Waters, you're known for trashy stuff. We want more trash. We don't need a family thing. Try to, you know, trash it up a little bit. 

16:02
But the fact is, a PG rating is how it went on to be a family musical and get into high schools all across America as a high school play. And because of that, john Waters is his most devious film he has ever made. Because he got a movie about gay empowerment and interracial dating into some of the most conservative religious parts of the America and you get what he's saying too. I mean, there's a lot of really conservative people who love hairspray, even though it does kind of have some, you know, tolerance and love. Subtitle Actually, I've never seen it, but I'm just going by what you're like oh, yes, I remember the time I watched this. 

16:34
Oh, by the way, well, I mean, the description I've read of it is basically Ricky Lake dances away hate and racism in middle America back in the 50s, or something like that. This movie did actually have one of his biggest star stud cast so far, though, with Ricky Lake, divine Debbie Harry, sonny Bono and Jerry Stiller in it. This movie, though, didn't do good in the theaters, like a lot of his stuff, but it did as soon as it got released in the early 90s on VHS. Boom. That's when it took off. People loved it as a rental See that happens a lot. 

Nate
Host
17:01
You know it was like, oh yeah, this didn't do very well. I mean because I still understand how, let me reverse. So I understand how, like movie companies will be like, okay, you know, opening weekend blockbuster, no blockbuster, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you just can't dismiss the movie until it's until after it's been out for like DVD or VHS, yeah, yeah To me like studios just want immediate gratification. 

Shaun
Host
17:29
They're like, right, that's gotta make all this money, otherwise we just scrap it. 

Nate
Host
17:32
I think it's, let's be real, like the audience for hairspray, weren't going to movie theaters and a lot of them obviously hairspray probably didn't couldn't really like at the time. You know, be with their free flats, fly Now, I mean, in certain areas of the country still can't buy a large you can. 

Shaun
Host
17:49
Yeah, close, you can get some of those up. Better is to is basically hairspray, more or less, from what I could tell. One downside about this movie yes, would be the last movie divine would ever make, as he would pass away three weeks after release. And you know what's actually kind of an extra bummer? The day after he passed away he was supposed to show up on the set of married with children. He was going to play an openly gay uncle on the show and be one of the first openly gay characters on TV. So boo, yeah, yeah, I know that would have been kind of cool to see him in married with children. So divine has been buried and all the original dreamlers have bought plots next to him's grave so they can be buried together. They call it disgrace land Pants make the pilgrimage to divides grave and they leave gifts and notes. And one time John and his friend showed up and somebody had scrawled Satan all across divine's headstone and with Mount missing a beat, john's friends said oh, they misspelled satin. 

Nate
Host
18:41
Sorry. 

Shaun
Host
18:44
This movie was actually inspired a little bit by events of John Waters youth. When he was a teen he was on the buddy Dean show. You remember those old dance, the thong shows that they would have our teenager. We just got there and just dance for the camera and they'd be go. 

Nate
Host
18:55
These two are the winning couple. 

Shaun
Host
18:57
Yeah, they're all right. 

Shaun
Host
18:58
Yeah, that kind of stuff. This is back in the 50s. It was a buddy Dean was a local Baltimore show and everybody'd be dancing for prizes. And John Waters got kicked off that show for dancing a dance called the dirty boogie and and the name like butter the dirty boogie. It sounds like it'd be a sexually obscene kind of dance, but no, actually that's not why y'all kicked off, it's because it was a black people dance. Then, apparently, if you were caught doing the black people dance on the TV at that time, they kicked you off. 

19:26
John Waters did say, however, that's kind of a kill, the buddy Dean show, because all the other dance shows started integrating except for buddy Dean and he went under as one of the first ones. Good, yeah, yeah, that's kind of my thought. But his side story when John Waters went to South Korea to see a production of hairspray, he was horrified to see people in black faces doing the roles of the black people. He asked why the black face? And they responded we don't have black people here, john. Yeah, yeah, yeah that makes sense. 

19:52
His response was can't you find a different minority got around here. So there's that little fun aside. 

Nate
Host
20:00
Yeah, I mean, and he has a fair point right back to me. I was like well it doesn't have to be black just. 

Shaun
Host
20:05
Yeah, yeah, find a Filipino or something I don't know. Speaking of, we were talking about John, in 19, being big fan of crime and going to trials and everything, and in the 1980s he actually started going to prisons and holding classes to help rehabilitate inmates and teach them things Including, you know, like filmmaking classes and other such stuff. One time he decided shows class pink flamingos, which freaked out a lot of his hardened criminals and got him called like a sick pervert by some of them. He believes that is one of the biggest compromises ever gotten in his life. Oh, awesome, yeah. And and through this he also became great friends with leslie van houten of the manson family and, uh, you might not have heard, she got paroled recently and he actually has a lot to do with that, his point being the fact that when she did the murders she was 19 and that was 53 years ago and you know 53 years can change a person. 

Nate
Host
20:50
I mean, and also she was a poor stupid. You know who was manipulated and you know drugs, I mean. Uh, yeah, she was apparently she. 

Shaun
Host
20:58
Apparently she'd go ahead. 

Nate
Host
21:00
Oh, so what she did was terrible and of course you need jail time, but like they're keeping her there forever, that's, that's not yeah. 

Shaun
Host
21:08
And apparently she didn't actually even kill anybody but she did like mutilated dead body or something afterwards, but she didn't do any actual killings. But apparently she has been a model prisoner for since almost her entire time in there and has helped other prisoners and you know what good for her sounds like. She deserves a second chance. And john martyrs is trying to do that with other prisoners too. He's like hey man, death penalty in life in prison is stupid. We're supposed to be a reformation system. You're supposed to go to prison, get reformed, get back out and be a good citizen. We don't do that anymore. We skip the whole reformation part. We just throw people to lock them up, possibly make them better criminals if they ever get out. 

Nate
Host
21:40
Yeah, and honestly that's pretty much how it is. 

Shaun
Host
21:42
Yeah, it really is, because technically you know you're supposed to go to prison and learn a skill, then go, you know, be a carpenter or something like Jesus. 

21:50
Yeah, I know our prison system has failed us. Back to john waters and the world of movies. 1990, john waters would team up with johnny deppin, bring us a musical romantic comedy, crybaby. This film was about a group of delinquents known as the drapes and their encounters with the rest of the town, or the squares as they're called. And, um, like some west side story romance, love snapping, chicken races happen. Kind of like a 50 greaser movie. Basically, this movie was actually inspired because his neighbor was a greaser. Back in the all he's out in the front yard working on his hot ride, you know, wearing the leather jacket and the white shirt. That's another one of these guys john waters always wanted to be. So, uh, the movie crybaby is basically based off of that guy. He knew nothing about him so he just kind of made up a movie around him. 

Nate
Host
22:33
Which sounds vaguely. Remember watching that like forever ago, but being in vaguely and I just remember it being ridiculous really I never saw it. 

Shaun
Host
22:42
I remember it's pretty popular in the video store I worked in. Like it was one of those I saw on the shelf all the time it seemed like people rented to kind of off an ish. But yeah, I just I kind of want to watch it, just see what it's like. They have a teardrop like yes, there's something about. 

22:57
They like they can only cry out of one eye because there's something or another or Eh, I'm I'm not sure I do know at this time. Uh, johnny dep was all the rage in 21 jump street but he was apparently getting sick of being the hollywood heartthrob and he was terrified of being tight casted. Just, you know, the straight laced heartthrob, romance guy for teeny boppers. So wait, he was meeting with john waters. He told john waters he's like dude, I am sick and tired of being the heartthrob, can we do something else? And john was like, oh, we can kill that stereotype for you just wait and see. And Kind of that kind of work too. Because right after this movie he got edwards scissor hands from tim Burton, apparently partly because of this role too, because tim burr is like, hey, this guy can apparently do some kind of weird stuff. 

Nate
Host
23:42
And Uh, that movie always kind of weird me out. And we're scissor hands, it's just, I don't know like it was, I guess fish out of water type story, but it was just. It was too weird. I mean not like for me, not just like oh, funny fear, just there's too many, too much logical fallacies. You start poking at it. It's like um. 

Shaun
Host
24:02
I really liked it. But yeah, I mean there's logical fallacy, I mean it was enjoyable. 

Nate
Host
24:05
They were wrong. I didn't enjoy it. I just I don't know the the vibe always kind of like me. 

Shaun
Host
24:11
Yeah, it's one of those weird. The movie couldn't make up what I want to be in your mind, or? 

Nate
Host
24:15
Yeah, I don't know, like I don't know, just I I don't have a specific like, it's this. I was kind of like meh Around. 

Shaun
Host
24:22
This time john waters became an ordained minister so he could specifically marry johnny dep and winona rider. But he actually talked them out of getting married and instead he used his ordained minister powers to baptize tracy lords of the porn star. Apparently he wrote up a custom of baptismal that would erase all the sin and porn that she did in her past. And he's like I'm I'm an ordained minister, so it obviously worked. God said so. Oh, and here's a gross side story from crybabies. We're in john waters. During the shooting of that, women would randomly show up and offer to buy the sewage from his trailer, from johnny dep's trailer. Johnny, oh, god, that's yeah, yeah, I know that's. Recognize that you know. But for you know, this gives you no reason toNa. I have no reason for this. I'm so sorry for so many people. They're so mad. 

25:05
This movie was a pretty successful movie at first for John Waters. Because of hairspray success, studios got into bidding war for this one. Everybody wanted to have the next John Waters movie, especially since it was a John Waters Johnny Depp combo. So it was the first time John Waters actually had a bidding war. People be like we want your movie, is like ooh, this is neat and it opened in 1200 theaters in its opening weekend the largest showing ever is of a John Waters film at the time. Sadly, it did not make back its budget only 8 million off of a $12 million budget that's a flop in Hollywood eyes. So which one was that? I'm sorry, cry baby. Oh, really Damn. Yeah, that one was a flop Again when it came out of. 

25:43
VHS it became bigger again. Yep, it made more money out of VHS and stuff than it did in the theater. 

Nate
Host
25:48
Which they should have known. It's like he's never had a huge blockbuster in theaters. Yeah, he's always big on VHS. So when they released the movie, it's like you can't surprise Pikachu face that, oh, it didn't make us money back. Yeah, no shit, I didn't make his money back, neither did any of the other ones. You didn't watch for the VHS, yep. 

Shaun
Host
26:04
I think hairspray might have made its money back in theaters, but just barely. But I might be wrong on that. Oh yeah, also, crybaby was also made into a Broadway play, much like hairspray, but it flopped and apparently that one kind of killed John's Broadway career too. They're like, hey bros, hairspray is great, but Crybaby wasn't your author, no more. One flop is all you get. Yep, exactly. Also, I saw an interview in 1990 where John Waters plainly says that no, he has never practiced necrophilia yet in life, so we can assume he's had yet. So we can assume if he's had sex with the dead, it's after 1990, after middle-aged. So there you go, there's just food for thought. 1994 brought us with John Waters. Bleeps is actually his best movie, his best overall made movie, serial mom starring Kathleen Turner. You seen that one? Okay, this is actually the only John Waters movie I saw before all this research I've seen. 

27:03
I've seen the cover of the VHS there she's holding, like the pair of scissors, or and stare meanly at this. Yeah, kathleen Turner plays as a Berman housewife who has a secret life of being a serial killer. She basically anybody who noisers, she just runs around, kills him and is able to get out of the murder somehow. John made this movie to show how much fun it would be to get away with murdering people who annoy and came out to good reviews but also did not make money. And here's kind of a story that sort of influenced John's idea of making movie that people getting off of the act of doing crimes. He said when he was doing the trial tours in Baltimore he attended a trial where a nurse was being charged with feeding patients fecal matter Comatose patients. She'd look like stick a little fecal matter in their mouth and close and go on her way. 

27:48
She went to trial. She got off on the grounds that she was on PM, that she was PMSing during that time and it's apparently a free woman Dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently that was the trial where the lawyer turned around was like, hey, john Waters is here, neat. And then John ran into the dude sometime later and the guy was like oh, hey, you remember me from the trial and I was like not really. And guys like fecal matter in mouths and John's like, oh that one lady, hey, how she do it. And then the lawyer got all upset because he was like I wasn't a fan of hers. John was all excited to know what she was up to. Yeah, apparently that disgusted the lawyer. We're gonna step away from movies for just a hot second, because in 1997 his most iconic role to me anyways, where he plays the toy store owner in Homer's phobia, the Simpsons episode Everybody knows this episode, zap. I love this episode. Homer thinks Bart's turning gay so he takes them all straight as things to do. 

28:48
Yeah, yeah, it's like dad, why'd you take me to a gay steel mill? I don't know, son. Or is like put them in front of that. Bill borer's two women had a pillow fight. What do you want, son? A cigarette, anything light? John actually had no input or anything on the script, they just called them, said hey, do you want to do this role? He said I would love to. And you said he had a wonderful time making it and said it was kind of like doing an old school radio thing, because they're all just sitting around a table reading lines into microphones and having a enjoyable time. Took a couple days to do and people love him for it and he loves it. I would probably actually on say, for at least myself, maybe top five or 10 episodes, simpsons episodes yeah, I mean, I liked it, yeah. 

Nate
Host
29:28
I really liked it too. We work hard and we play hard, yeah, exactly. 

Shaun
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29:35
Edward Furlong remember him, and Christina Ricci started 1998's Pecker, where Edward Furlong plays 18 year old Pecker, an aspiring photographer who gets his big break in New York City. Also knew it will be. Haven't seen, but supposedly pretty good Pecker. What I mean? 

Nate
Host
29:50
Who would I mean at this? I know what's the time. Pecker was not. You know what it means now, but it does mean what it means now and I think if I had a name like Pecker I would change it? 

Shaun
Host
30:01
Yeah, you'd think so. I think it's Pecker was his nickname because he pecked at food. However, john did have to fight with the sensors because they didn't want to name Pecker on a marquee because it also means a dog. John had to actually go argue with him and fight over it, but he was like well, we got movies called Shaft and Free, willie and Dick. What more do you want? They're like good point, that's point of peck. People don't yell Pecker in anger usually. 

Nate
Host
30:24
Shaft free, wooly yeah. Harder, daddy, yeah Right. 

Shaun
Host
30:30
So he got to win that and got to call it Pecker Once. A couple of some fun side stories from this movie. Early on in the scene there's a picture or a scene of Pecker. Take a picture of two rats humping. Now I guess John Waters obeyed all the rules and hired an animal trainer, is like I want you to get these rats to have sex on command. So after a long, long while, the trainer wasn't able to actually get it to do it for the scene and they're running out of time. So the prop master threw up his hands and discussed like let me handle this and barely. He's just like barely off scene with his hands. And he just literally grabbed the two rats with rats with his hands, just like wham, wham, wham, wham, wham, wham. 

31:08
So you get that opportunity at the start. Yeah, they're not gonna have sex, I'll make them have sex. Yep, pretty much, yeah. John said if you ever want to get animals to have sex, it's really easy. To get them to oral sex you just use peanut butter. But to get them to actually do sex sex it's really hard, unless you got divine rolling around in the mud. Then it happens naturally. This is the movie where teabagging was invented. Did you know that John Waters invented teabagging and the game of Halo would be changed forever? Which movie Picker? Oh okay, teabagging comes from Picker. 

Nate
Host
31:36
I thought you moved on to another movie. Nope, we're still on Picker. How is teabagging? Whatever you know, I'm not gonna ask. You do know what teabagging is right? Of course I know what teabagging is. I just don't know, like, how they introduced this to the movie, because surely they didn't show the full thing, or just like someone would just randomly go teabagging. 

Shaun
Host
31:54
Yeah, actually I have no idea how it comes about in this movie, but maybe we should watch it one these days. Nope, no, apparently this is actually one of John's like Tamer movies, because he calls it his feel good movie. However, the Japan Times called it Disney for perverts. Disney feel good, yeah, yeah, and for perverts, john Waters. So there you go. 

32:18
This actually movie kind of came about because in the 90s, john did start getting into a photographic-based art and some of it's actually pretty good. I really like it. You know, do things where he like combines two pictures into one. Do you know? Like a half and half, sort of like a two-faced kind of thing. It's, it's better. It's some of the better photography art, unlike the stuff you're talking about. And a fun story along that lines. He pledged to donate much of his art collection to the Baltimore Museum, only in exchange if they named their bathrooms after him. They did, and now there's the John Waters All Genders restroom at the Baltimore Museum. Nice, yeah, I know he loves Baltimore because he's basically royalty there. That's why he always releases his movies there first, because it's always good word of mouth. People are like John Waters, that's our boy, we love him. He can't do anything wrong. 

33:02
For the new millennium, john brings us the movie Cecil B Demented, which I watched this one actually the other day. This movie stars Melanie Griffith playing actress who gets kidnapped by terrorist filmmakers led by Stephen Dorff, who forced her to perform in an underground a movie. Okay, here's a dumb Sean fact whatever I hear the name Stephen Dorff, I think of Warf from Star Trek, and then I think of Michael Dorn, and then so every time I hear the name Stephen Dorff, I picture Michael Dorn in my head. And that's very confusing for me because, you know, dorff and Dorne are kind of close and Dorff and Warf are kind of in the middle. And yeah, I'm not, I was thinking the golfer. Yeah, stephen Dorff, the golfer, oh, dorff on golf. 

Nate
Host
33:36
Yeah, so now I'm picturing a Dorff Warf. 

Shaun
Host
33:41
Oh wow Warf like with the oddities of the shoes Played by Tim Conway as a huh Right exactly, exactly must be Tim Conway in like Warf makeup. 

33:53
Oh man, we got to see that sometime in our life. Warf on golf. So, anyways, this movie Cecil B Demented is based loosely on two events one, the kidnapping of Patty Hearst, who also actually acts in this movie, and in incident that John Warr's talked about were something or? A magazine called Film Threat Magazine, run by Larry Flint, made a joke saying maybe their readers should attack the readers of Premier Magazine, should they find them. And apparently some of the readers actually did attack the readers of Premier Magazine and Film Threat Magazine had to post a retraction because of this. They put a hit out. Yeah, pretty much. I mean they were quote-unquote, jokingly doing it, but people took it serious. 

34:32
They should know my now people don't have me say that yeah you'd think so, but now they also probably like free publicity a little bit. Yeah, so there's yeah, totally so. There's a militant film crew the kidnaps Millie Griffith during this and man, they kind of feel like an analog to the Dreamlanders, even to the point where one dude gets shot in it and he's laying there dying. He's like poppers bring me poppers. He starts inhaling them while he's dying. So yeah, however, john Warr's does say he is not Cecil B Demented because he has a sense of humor. Cecil B Demented does not. It'll log these lines too. In a 2016 interview, john Warr's did tell Conan O'Brien he planned on recreating Cecil B Demented, but by kidnapping Justin Bieber and forcing him into movie acting. You never got around to enacting that plan, but you thought about it very, very hard. It's all takes thinking. Yeah, I'll take thinking very hard. 

35:23
We're at the very late 90s now and John Waters gets a call from Margo Lyon, a famous Broadway music producer. She wants to do hairspray the musical, but is doing the good thing and wants to get John's blessing. First he gives a blessing and then she goes to the studio to secure the rights. After a short test run at Seattle's Fifth Avenue Broadway, the show is released in 2002 to a huge success. Over 2,640 shows of the play were done and it earned him a Tony. And then it basically got made into a brought. What was Tony's last name? Yeah, earn him a Tony. Tony was great. And then this movie went on to become going to high school plays everywhere and, like I said, trying his message of deviancy all around the nation for himself. 

Nate
Host
36:02
Yay. And then eventually remade with John Tabulta as the. 

Shaun
Host
36:07
Yep, that was actually Devine's role and I'm glad you brought that up because people asked John Waters what would Devine done if the movie, if he was still alive when hairspray is being made? And he said he would absolutely want to play the mom. He would have been right there for the role and he would want to fight John Travolta every inch of the way because he really liked to act. And also they asked John Waters, regarding Devine, what he thinks Devine would be doing nowadays and he plainly said he would have given up the drag act by now because apparently the whole drag costume was eventually more or less just a way to get noticed and famous, to get into movies. But he really wasn't that big into drag because, you know, the outfits were uncomfortable and the wigs were hot. Apparently you make your fake boobs out of lentils and those get really heavy on your chest. Yeah Well, that's too bad. 

36:51
I never got out of that I mean yeah, but I see that seemed like he could have been a pretty good actor overall in the long run. 

Shaun
Host
36:57
Yeah. 

Shaun
Host
36:58
I mean it's definitely met the actor. 

Nate
Host
37:00
He took that role and ran with it. I mean, he ate yeah he ate dog shit. 

Shaun
Host
37:03
That's something I wouldn't do for a movie. 

Nate
Host
37:05
I know Like they're like okay, here's, here's a role. By the way, you know, to get this role we need your commitment. You're eating dog shit like uh no. 

Shaun
Host
37:12
At least John said on that, he did give Divine the option to back out. He was like I'm not going to make you do this, it'd be nice if you could. Yeah, yeah, as we were talking about earlier, john Waters hadn't had a box office success since hair spray and basically all his movies, except for hairspray more or less, were a bomb. And this streak would sadly continue with 2004 when he released a dirty shame starring Tracy Ollman, Johnny Knoxville and Selma Blair, the movie I didn't even know existed this movie. The reason nobody really heard about is the kiss it got, the kiss of death for a movie. It was branded NC 17. And, as you probably know, working in theaters, a lot of theaters refuse to show NC 17 stuff. Actually, a lot of video stores won't print it either. 

Nate
Host
37:51
Yeah, no. Nc 17 is like definitely the kiss of death they has the same. 

Shaun
Host
37:54
Yep, yeah, john actually appealed to the MPAA, being like hey man, I can't have this NC 17 rating. They're expecting this to make money. My name's kind of on the line. What can we do to change it? And the board famously answered we stopped taking in notes. It was that bad, I guess. 

Shaun
Host
38:12
Yeah. 

Shaun
Host
38:12
Well, apparently at one point they filled up the entire town with like giant inflatable anuses and penises everywhere for like a somebody's hallucination scene and John was actually very nervous about this because they picked a blue collar kind of conservative middle class town or neighborhood in Baltimore to film it. He was like how are these people going to feel about that? How are they going to react? He was shocked to see that families like gathering around taking pictures next to the giant inflatable anuses with their family and kids hey, junior pose with the giant penis John Waters put up. He was like, huh, that's unexpected. 

38:43
Also, this is a movie where John and I learned that there can be very different rating standards depending on where you are in the country, depending on for the commercials they wanted to air they had. There's a part of the movie where they had Selma Blair's breasts get like really big, like abnormally big, but according to the IPAA, if they wanted to show commercials for this on the coast the east coast, the west coast for the commercials they did not care how big the breasts were you can do whatever size you want and the Midwest they had to shrink them down noticeably and actually get the commercials shown. In Utah they couldn't even do the breasts enlarging thing at all and they had to be like natural sized breasts. So there you go. There's different censorship for different parts of the country. So a dirty shame came about when John learned that apparently, if people can become nymphomaniacs after suffering a serious concussion and that's basically what the movie's about, I think it's Johnny Knoxville gets a concussion and gets really horny. 

Nate
Host
39:35
But oh, is that cry, cry. 

Shaun
Host
39:38
No the dirty shame. Oh, johnny Knoxville not. 

Nate
Host
39:41
Johnny Demp. Yeah, Johnny Demp. 

Shaun
Host
39:42
Okay, I'm back. See what we're learning from this is there's too many actors named Johnny. We need to eliminate a few, right? Yeah, that's pretty much the whole story. It's just concussions and people getting horny. But since the NC17 rating, it only made back $1.3 million off of a rumored $15 million budget. That's not good. Not good at all. That is no bueno. 

40:08
Here's another random John Water story. This one's something else. Being a man of filth that he is, fans often want to go to the extra mile to show him how filthy they are and know one of him. At a book signing, a woman walked up to him asked hey, will you sign anything? He says yep. So she whips up her skirt and pulls out a tampon out from outside of her, plops it down on the table and says sign. That John was like well, this is disgusting, but I said I'll sign anything. So he gingerly signs it without touching it. It gives it back to the ladies. She's all excited and happy. But John said the funniest part of this whole instance was the bookstore actually assigned him just this giant, massive African-American bodyguard to protect him for whatever reason, he's not sure why and this situation happened because the big black dude was so uptight he just started crying when that happened. He's like I don't know why they're doing this, Because he just felt so. 

Nate
Host
41:03
Oh, he wasn't laughing till, he was crying, he was like just falling. 

Shaun
Host
41:05
No, he was literally crying because he felt so awkward and weird. He thought this was the creepiest thing ever. He's just like why are they doing this? Yep, just broke down crying. Yeah that's got to be something you're not expecting, though. Hey, you're going to be having this job. Help watching somebody while he signs books. Oh, signing books. Huh, lady walks up here, sign this plop, because, yeah, I mean, it's not like it was a brand new one out of the package either. 

Shaun
Host
41:26
It was inside of her 2008. 

Shaun
Host
41:28
Yeah, right, 2008. John Waters is making a Christmas movie with Parker Posey and Johnny Knoxville titled Fruitcake. However, this movie never got past pre-production as a company financier went out of business. John said this was really bummer because he was looking forward to it as making his first Christmas movie. They said about this. When I realized my movie idea had been aborted, I suddenly became pro life in just this one instance. Yeah, just that one time. Oh, and here's some random advice from John Waters as well Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, let a film crew shoot in your house, because they will literally destroy your house. 

42:04
They want to knock down a wall? They'll do it. They'll punch a hole anywhere, they'll destroy anything they want. They're down your banister. Wreck your stairs? Yep, they'll do it. Sims is kind of did an episode on this too. Apparently, they do pay you money to use your house, but it's never enough to cover the damages. 

42:17
Another fun fact about John if you ever want to get a message to him, he's not on social media. So, listeners, if you think you're talking to him on social media through Facebook, instagram, whatnot? Nope, that's not him. The only way to get ahold of him is by writing him a letter and you have to send his fanmail to a bookstore called Atomic Books. You can look it up on their website. It actually has a page, just like John Waters asked us to send all his fan mail here. He doesn't come in and pick up every day, but he comes in here pretty often. So there you go Hand write him a letter or hand type. I guess it's kind of weird to have your stuff shipped to a bookstore. I wonder how much he actually gets. That's like annoying for the bookstore or not. 

Nate
Host
42:49
You would. I don't know, I would think it'd be enough that it might be irritating, because John Waters is, you know he's not a nobody. 

Shaun
Host
42:57
Yeah, he's got fans all over the world. 

Nate
Host
43:00
I mean, he's not fucking. Yeah, he's not Steve Spilman Ha. 

Shaun
Host
43:04
We're the same guy. Well, it's a biggest director name we can think of. But then again, I don't know, john Waters might have a more rabid following, just for like concentrated base of guys. Probably not. 

Shaun
Host
43:16
Oh. 

Shaun
Host
43:16
I've had a lot of people pulling out tampons for Steven Spielberg. 2012 comes along and the 266 year old decides it's time to hitchhike across the country and write a book about the experience. This book would be called Car Sick, because this came about, because John remembers in his youth how hitchhiking was literally legitimate form of transportation. You want to get somewhere, didn't have a car, just pop out on the road. You can hitchhike and make your way across the country wherever you needed to. And he noticed hitchhiking culture is dead nowadays. The only people that ever hitchhike, he says, are over the age of 50 and they don't do it anymore. And nobody under the age of 50 has ever hitchhiked, which that is actually kind of an accurate issue, at least the vast majority of people I know are 50. 

Nate
Host
43:55
I'm not hitchhiked who? 

Shaun
Host
43:57
Because he hitchhiked who does that? John Waters does? Because he wanted to see if he has a feasible thing to do. The thing is, we started telling his family and friends about the idea and they all told him it was a horrible idea and he will disappear and get murdered, Without a doubt. Everybody believed he was going to get killed on it, and the people that absolutely pushed back the most on him told him do not do this. His criminal friends, Everybody in the prison system was like you're going to die. We are criminals, we know what happens to hitchhikers. Naturally, this made John Waters want to do it even more so, supporting a sign stating I am not a psycho. 

44:30
He departed on his venture from his home in Baltimore to his apartment in San Francisco. Hitchhiking the entire way Took him 21 rides to get across the country, Although one conservative politician did drive him a thousand miles in his Corvette, so that kind of helped things. Apparently, they got along so well that they just kept talking and kept driving. The politician actually dropped Ron Waters off, went home and then decided he wanted to hang out with John Waters. More so, caught up with him down the road in Colorado or something, drove him all the way to San Francisco. When he came back from Colorado, he's the only Republican he would ever vote for. There you go. Apparently, John Waters said that the guy was conservative, but he was also kind of open-minded and they actually had really good conversations and agreed with each other on some things. 

45:11
2014, that book does officially get released and he wins an Emmy for his spoken word version of Kar-Sik, which I've heard. It's a really good book too, by the way. If you ever want to pick up a good John Waters book, I'll tune it out. 2016 rolls around and for his 70th birthday, him and fellow Dreamlander, original Meeks Stoll, decided to take LSD for the first time since the 70s and have a blast. He recommends old LSD for old people. He says it's even better when you're old. I don't know if that's true or not, but yeah, maybe when you're 70 you can take it again. 

45:39
In 2022, we're actually getting up towards the end. Now, 2022, John Waters releases a book called Liar Mouth, a feel-bad romance novel which is described as a hilariously filthy tale of sex crime and family dysfunction, or another description I found which is a little better. Liar Mouth is about three generations of women in one family who plan to confront or kill one another. It also has a trampoline fun park. I kinda wanna know about. The trampoline fun park Book came out to great reviews. Everybody loves it and it has been optioned for a movie and, yes, John Waters will be directing it. He is going to come back to the big screen to direct his book and as far as the ETA, it's anybody's guess at this point. It literally got optioned like late 2022, so it's probably Trapoline fun parks. 

Nate
Host
46:26
I think we have those here oh trampoline fun park. 

Shaun
Host
46:29
Oh yeah, I'm sure they do everywhere. I think they have them up here too, oh yeah, they're indoor things. 

Nate
Host
46:33
I think it was like Defy and there was some other thing. Now they have it called somehow. 

Shaun
Host
46:38
But it's not a trampoline fun park through the mind of John Waters. It is not. Yeah. 

Nate
Host
46:43
I will say, though, I was like, oh, it sounds fun, yay, trampoline, fun park. And then I realized I'm 44 years old and I'm gonna throw up. This is not fun, but that was the one time I did it, like the kids, of course, they love it. 

Shaun
Host
46:56
Yeah, but once you get to a certain age, you're like, hmm, this isn't for me anymore. 

46:59
No, god no, Actually since you bring up trampoline. It's kind of funny because, oh, what was it? I believe his hairspray had some trampoline scenes and apparently Devine was so into actually doing those and not having stuntman Devine signed up for like professional trampoline training classes and actually apparently got really good on the trampoline, you know, doing the whole backflips flipping around, twirling, yeah nice, and dedication to the acting. Let's see, we're just about done. I'll give you one piece of advice from John Waters here. 

47:27
He says want to be a political activist? He recommends not going to. Ingrid, you're supposed to go the humorous route, embarrass your opponents and make them look like fools. But he also says first make fun of yourself a little bit, that way it doesn't seem like you're bullying them, since humor works better in his anger and he likes to point to he says, the only group that he ever really sees that uses humor really well and sarcasm. He likes the modern day satanic temple and like the tweets they do and stuff and their way they just kind of mock conservatives. Have you ever read the satanic temple tweets in some of their releases? 

Nate
Host
47:57
I haven't. No, I don't really have a clue. 

Shaun
Host
47:59
They also do. You see them on Facebook here and there. It's pretty smarky fun stuff. It's things that may go. Hey, that's funny and it's true. Yeah, I'll send you some tweets later. They're worth it. And to close out, the final thing, here's a movie John Waters really wants to make, if he could ever get financing for it, which he probably won't. It's a simple thing, but I would love to watch this movie. He wants to call it Main Germania, where Mother Mary gives the virgin birth to little baby Jesus fetus, but instead of raising him, she probably eats the baby and then gains his powers and miracles and heads out to punish sinners of sinners. Well, that exists. Yeah, it's an idea that exists. It's not a movie that's been made yet, but I would kind of like to see that. I don't know why. Just Mary doing horrible things, a Pontius pilot or something. 

48:46
A Pontus pilot, or it turns all this blood into wine. I mean, that would probably kill you pretty fast. I'd kill you right away. So there we go. We are actually done with John Waters. Did you learn anything today, nate? Oh yeah, me too. 

Nate
Host
49:01
I realized I could actually get like sick when hearing about something. I thought I was pretty immune to that. But hearing about dog poop and not being like that, yeah, especially when you think about the fact that it's straight out of the dog and warm and everything. 

Shaun
Host
49:14
That's what really makes it like that. Oh man, that's just awful Even when I was watching I did a couple of those like eh kind of things because it's hard to watch, especially when you see the look on Divine's face, because you would tell that, yeah, not a fan of eating it. But boy, howdy, he's a trooper. 

49:30
Oh, God, that's awful, yeah, it's awful. So now you at home, listening, you know more about John Waters too. Check out some of his movies, help him make some money, help him continue being the weirdo that he is. Spread the word of the Pope of Trash. All right, so I think that's all for today. Yay we're all done, all right, and now let's do our cheesy little ending theme song and call it good. Have a good day, everybody. Bye. 

Shaun
Host
49:58
Bye. This is where the ending jingle goes. This is where the ending jingle goes. I don't know if we need one, I don't know if we'll get one, but if we do, then here is where it goes.