Today we finish up our lesson on Betty Crocker as we talk about how the OG "Betty Crocker" bitterly steps down from her role and is replaced with a more TV friendly version. Why did she step down? You'll find out today! We will also go over some of Bettys signature dishes that we all know and love and discuss how people used to eat cake. Its...odd
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Today we finish up our lesson on Betty Crocker as we talk about how the OG "Betty Crocker" bitterly steps down from her role and is replaced with a more TV friendly version. Why did she step down? You'll find out today! We will also go over some of Bettys signature dishes that we all know and love and discuss how people used to eat cake. Its...odd
We also go off topic and discuss movie trailers, Star Wars, and how YouTube Premium and crack cocaine are similar.
All this and more on this episode of Oft Off Topic
Feel free to check out our website for links to our YouTube channel and more!
https://oftofftopic.com/
Our host Nathan also does art in addition to this podcast, including having is own sticker store. Please check it out and purchase anything that strikes your fancy.
https://www.etsy.com/shop/stickersbytownsend
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Our Conclusion on Betty Crocker. In our first episode we talked about Betty Crocker's origin from a puzzle at the Washburn Crosby Company and how she rose to be a household name in the first half of the 20th century. Today we finish the Betty Crocker story and also discuss some of her most famous creations. On this episode of Offed Off Topic, we're in 1948 and President Truman gives our gal, marjorie Husted the one who was doing the Betty Crocker stuff gives her the Woman of the Year Award at the Woman's National Press Club. She shared that award with five other women, so I guess she was one sixth the Woman of the Year. So that seems kind of odd. It also seems very man-like like we're going to have a Woman of the Year Award. You're going to share it with five others.
Nate:Right, but there's five or six of us Shut up.
Shaun:It's 1948, take six women to make one man. Don't you know that?
Nate:It's the exchange rate. That's the exchange rate.
Shaun:That's a man-to-woman exchange rate. 1950, in the hardcover Betty Crocker recipe book with pictures, the one that we all are familiar with, that one finally gets released 950,000 copies in its initial run and it sold for $2.95, or you could get a deluxe edition for $3.95. The deluxe edition came with a downloadable content and new skins for your Betty Crocker avatar, I believe.
Nate:New skins for your Betty Crocker avatar. That's awesome. Wait, what was this 1950.? I'm just curious how much it was like. Was it 250?
Shaun:2.95, or 3.95 for the deluxe edition. That'd be $35 or $50 in today's money. Oh, man, and I know you are. Yeah, I always try to do the conversions, just because it's fun.
Nate:Yeah, conversion rate. I mean it's depressing but also, like weee, look at this yeah exactly.
Shaun:Also, you can actually find the OG editions on sale for around like 80 bucks online if you wanted to get like a piece of history and conversion rate would actually match.
Nate:So with escalation. Yeah, $100 in 1950 is $1,300 or $14.08 now.
Shaun:Oh, this Cookbook series has gone on to sell 75 million copies in total, and this puts it in the range of book sales along with the Da Vinci Code and Catcher in the Rye. Researching that it's been theorized that Don Quixote has sold over 500 million copies of the book.
Nate:I wonder how many people, how many people claim they assassinated some important person because they read a Betty Crocker book? Did they?
Shaun:assassinate an important person.
Nate:Catcher in the Rye oh ha Okay. Sorry, that was kind of that was out of left field my man, but Catcher in the Rye. I mean they went to ooh assassinations.
Shaun:They just read the Betty Crocker cook point. They're like must kill Elvis.
Nate:That's where he. That's what happened on the toilet. He's like he's sitting there straight away and so walks in, like Betty Crocker made me do this.
Shaun:Again, that's an off to off topic truth fact that we're going with. It's going forward that is truth and the off to off topic reality that we are building.
Nate:And you know what I challenge? You challenge you prove me wrong.
Shaun:Exactly, you can't and you won't. 1950 and an embittered and an embittered Marjorie Houston retires from General Mills. Why was she unhappy? Well, despite her being General Mills biggest influence in salesperson they had by a wide margin she was only making 25% of what the male salespeople were making and they were contributing far, far less than Marjorie had done. She said screw that, you're gonna pay me one quarter. I'm leaving. That's right. Yeah, I know right.
Shaun:In 1951, in a speech to the American Association of University Women, houston said, quote unquote, andagement is dominated by men and there's no indication of interest on the part of employers. For change, boy, how do you wish you write on that? Yeah, unfortunately. So 1951 and 1952 ish, we get the Betty Crocker star matinee, which was a TV show starting Adelaide Howley as the new role of Betty Crocker. Adelaide didn't actually have one lick of professional cooking experience, but she did have a radio broadcasting experience and TV experience. So that's what landed her the gig.
Shaun:How to cook didn't know how to be on TV. That's the important thing. Yep, by the time she took over the radio show part of the job the radio show had a listening audience of around 3 million people. Yeah, that's actually not bad, far as I can tell, and she would do the radio show and start in the Betty Crocker TV show that was on CBS from 1950 through 1952. And she was also in the Betty Crocker star matinee on ABC and also made guest appearances on the Burns and Allen comedy show with George Burns and Gracie Allen.
Nate:Yeah, I think of George Burns. I can't think of him young. I always think of him as old as shit.
Shaun:I'm pretty sure he came out of the womb as an old man.
Nate:Yeah.
Shaun:Yeah.
Nate:A very old primate. Yeah, yeah, right.
Shaun:Cigar and everything. Cigar and bow tie, right, wah, mom, wah, give me a nipple.
Nate:Why did it hurt so much pushing him out? It was a lit cigar.
Shaun:We knew this birthday's gonna be special and cigarette smoke came out first. She just dilates it just like cigarette smoke. She just starts cigar smoke. She's like, ooh, the cigar tip is crowning Just as the lit cherry coming out first.
Nate:You know it would be cigar first. Yep, it would be.
Shaun:Again another off-topic, true reality fact.
Nate:George Burns is born with cigar lit With cigar lit.
Shaun:That mother had some fortitude in her to push that out. Uh, anyways, uh, adelaide's run as Betty Crocker would go up until 1964 when General Mills would drop her in a rebranding effort. Uh, she would actually go on to finish her college education and teach English in Bremerton, washington, where she died at the age of 93 in 1998. Pretty good run, in fact there. Yeah, not bad. And this lady would actually be the last true Betty Crocker of note, as it was just kind of random actresses doing commercial spots as Betty Crocker. From here on out, the radio show went out of fashion, the TV show went out of fashion. No, we really cared about Betty Crocker anymore outside of her boxed cake mixes.
Nate:You know, I almost said like I can't believe people just sat around listen to radio shows and like, well shit, what are we doing right now? Yeah, podcast.
Shaun:Yeah, that's literally just a radio show without commercials. Well, some of them have commercials actually.
Nate:now, there is the benefit of like we're not trapped in a room. You know, it's like this giant ass.
Shaun:You know hunk of uh, wow, right the giant like a hundred pound radio sitting in the middle of your room. The entire like living rooms built around. The whole family just sits around the radio reading the newspaper.
Nate:I said a pothole, just uh, you know things that do stuff in the home.
Shaun:Your brain was straining like Elvis on the toilet.
Nate:Exactly Before he was murdered by a Betty Crocker fan.
Shaun:So also while I was doing this research, I came across a video interviewing Barbara Joe Davis, known as the black Betty Crocker, because she was a black lady who worked in Betty Crocker kitchens from 68 through 88. Um, she actually kind of had a couple of fun stories to that I figured I'd share. She was one of the people that actually worked on hamburger helper, but what things you talked about is. She worked in Betty Crocker test kitchens where basically they would just bake stuff around the clock and just test recipes and see what worked and what didn't. Well, apparently these are like open air kitchens that were like open to tourists, like they would be leading like tours around the uh, betty Crocker, the general mills plant, and I guess you could literally like walk right up to these test kitchens and like just watch people cook, like get like right up in their face, even sort of thing, like and it was just so gracious to the point that the people taking tours literally were just like well, this obviously in the real test kitchen, these are actors doing their thing, so people just like watching a plot as stuff was being cooked and made it really awkward for the cooks Barbara was talking about. One day she uh messed up and boiled over some molasses onto the stove and it caught fire and all the cooks were like panicking and all the people who were on tour like, oh, performance art, very nice, very nice, and started laughing and enjoying it. Yeah, she's like, no, the kitchen's on fire, you idiots. And they're just like, oh, very nice, they're really selling this fire thing. Yeah, I'm so impressed. Yeah, right, exactly.
Shaun:Uh, she was also in charge of writing, uh, some of the cookbook directions too, and Betty Crocker. I'm not sure what year this actually happened sometime between 68 and 88, I guess probably earlier on because someone sued Betty Crocker because the directions apparently said warm up a can of condensed milk on the stove and the dude apparently just took like a, an open can and just put it in a pot and set it on the stove and cranked it on high and the thing exploded and damaged his kitchen and sprayed stuff everywhere. So he was like, hey, I'm an idiot, so I'm going to sue. So if you ever think law, dumb lawsuits are a new thing, no, no, no, they've been around for a while.
Nate:I mean, this is the reason why they say don't shower with a hairdryer. Yeah, exactly.
Shaun:Yeah, those words are there because people did that stupid stuff.
Nate:Yeah.
Shaun:Yeah, they even actually kind of did that on an alpha episode too, if I remember correctly, an alpha episode.
Nate:Yeah, you know what they were like. I'm sure they were trying to find.
Shaun:No, there's an episode where Alf was trying to make a jacuzzi in their hot in their bathtub with an electric mixer and the joke was he got electrocuted. And some kid actually tried that in real life and got electrocuted and they had like go back and edit the episode.
Nate:Oh, that's stupid. Check out our alpha episode on off golf topics. We talked about this Like Beeps and the Head. I remember a big controversy Beeps, they like lit their house on fire, or something.
Shaun:Oh yeah.
Nate:Beeps and the heads they're.
Shaun:Poison your kids Like we're going to turn them into arsons, fire bugs.
Nate:Look at Alf. What are you?
Shaun:doing Yep exactly, but Alf was an offensive cartoon. He was a cute puppet. You can't be mad at cute puppets.
Nate:That's true. He's like come on, kids worship Satan. He's like aww.
Shaun:Also, barbara was working on the writing recipes from the Betty Cocker cookbook. There's part where they had to punch holes in the top of a cake or a pie crust and they used the term prick the pie crust several times and apparently management came back. He's like you cannot use the word prick in any of our recipes because people will think of penis immediately. She's like oh, I guess that makes sense. Yeah right, I know it is so dumb. That's kind of actually more or less the story of the Betty Croc Kitchens.
Shaun:I got some little other fun facts too. One thing I noticed too old cake commercials back from like in the 50s and 60s. People ate cake with their hands, not with a fork. Literally all these commercials that I've seen is people like dudes in business suits with just like this giant slice of cake in their hands, just eating it straight out of their hand, or little kids doing it and being like oh, this cake is deliciously moist. Ooh, I'm eating it with my bare hand. It's very strange to see people eating cake with their hands. That is strange.
Nate:Yeah, yeah, go check these other commercials.
Shaun:Literally, they're just reaching out, grabbing cake out of the pan, just like eating it in their hands and just like, look, I got a fistful of cake. Yeah, I don't know, it's odd.
Nate:I don't know I'm having trouble with that.
Shaun:Yeah, I'll send you some of the commercials later, because it's just dudes and, like kids, it's always the guys eating cake too. I don't recall ever seeing a woman eating cake in these commercials. I was seeing, well the woman's place to cook, not to eat.
Nate:Right, she's supposed to make the cake, then go and sit down in the corner while the rest of the family eats the cake.
Shaun:Yep, exactly, and watch and then just compliment them the entire time until they're needed again, right? So here's a few things that the Betty Crocker Kitchen has brought us over the years that we didn't have before Biscuit, the pre-made biscuit powder. So the story behind this is a Betty Crocker salesman ate some delicious biscuits while on a train trip in 1930. He went to compliment that chef and the chef told him his secret. He was like hey, how these biscuits are so great. I pre-make all the biscuit mix and then I keep it on ice for this train trip and basically, you know, that way all the like lard and shortening and stuff doesn't melt down and that way it stays super fresh and that way my biscuits taste delicious. The secret is pre-made biscuit mix, and the salesman was like fascinating, and he probably went back to Betty Crocker and stole that idea. Of course he did, yep, but they made it so he didn't have to refrigerate it, however. So instead of using like lard and shortening, they just used good old hydrogenated oil in it.
Nate:No, there you go and no credit went to the guy. They was like, oh yeah.
Shaun:Nope other than this. Like side footnotes you're going to find like the back pages of the Betty Crocker website where it's like oh yeah, this recipe was kind of stolen, kind of quote unquote.
Shaun:Or as they would say, perfected. Probably, there you go, he would steal us. We refined his idea this mad bastard wouldn't refrigerate it. We jumped to the early 1970s. This is kind of interesting. And anchovies in South America are tired of being eaten, say they say screw this, and they migrate elsewhere. And all of a sudden South America does not have anchovies to farm. And what does this do? It has a ripple effect of beef prices soaring in America. Why? Because anchovies, I guess, were a big part of animal feed in South America and all those anchovies leading led to higher prices in animal feed. So next, you know, beef prices skyrocket in America. In order to make Americans make their ground, beef last longer, betty Crocker releases hamburger helper and poor people mealtime would be changed forever. The original hamburger helper came out in 1971 and its flavors included beef noodle, potato stroganoff, hash rice, oriental and chili tomato. And these flavors were. These flavors were picked due to them being familiar to American families at the time.
Nate:Thus was born the anthropomorphic hand that would come out and tempt your children to eat hamburger. Helper.
Shaun:And that actually leaves you right into my next statement, because, also 1979, a short film called attack of the helping hand is released. It's about a woman making hamburger helper who gets attacked by the hamburger helper club, comes to life. It is six minutes long and features the talents of Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell in it. It's available on YouTube Attack attack of the helping hand Starring Sam Raimi, and has Bruce Campbell doing a cinematography on it, I believe let me help you along the way to your device.
Shaun:Yeah, I will send you a clip of that later. Also, that led me to find a Bruce Campbell and Sam Raimi doing the short film called the blind waiter, which was both genius and awful at the same time. Picture like the most, jerry Lewis, what could you kind of like humor you've ever seen? Just like 15 minutes of that straight. Basically, bruce Campbell plays a waiter who's blind, trying to serve people and doing an awful job. You know, like bring hot coffee and people's laps instead of their cup, kind of stuff. Yeah, hilarie ensues. I'll send you a cop. Where does it wear us? Welcome, though I Kept wanting to turn it off, but I couldn't, just because I wanted to see what happened. Thanks. It also has the pre-liminary, remember. And was that evil dead to? Or army of darkness, or ash has to scrape his face off the flat top because it's like burn it onto it. It's got that joke in it, the very yeah. So anyways, there you go, bruce Campbell. His career might have to do with hamburger helper, it's a helpful along.
Nate:I like Bruce Campbell. He doesn't. You know. I've seen a bunch of stuff and he's not my favorite actor, but I definitely appreciate when he's there. I appreciate him. He's does his roles well, he really. He's always kind of just playing Bruce Campbell, but he does it really well though, so yeah, yeah yeah, there was one movie like not many people saw that really liked him and it was. He was an old folks home and he was like Elvis and the hotel.
Nate:Yes, yeah he swapped out with a look like, with the intention of going back and the but they look like died. It's like you're fucked. It's like damn it.
Shaun:No, nobody has seen that. I haven't seen it, but I have heard it's actually pretty alright.
Nate:I have seen it. It is pretty good, yeah, yeah, I've heard it's.
Shaun:I've heard it's different and you got to be like, yeah, pretty good, as in it's enjoyable.
Nate:I mean, he's old for him and this dude they like a roommate and this bohote being this like mummy thing let's go around and suck in the life out old people. But because they're old people, people naturally just assume it's all, they've taken them, so no one thinks of anything. They're like no, there is this monster going around killing people and they have to find him and that old man trying to find it. So it's how it's got a cool. Yeah, it's pretty good is by no like it will win zero awards. Huh, it is pretty good.
Shaun:It's not going to change my life forever, but it will make me go. That was worth it.
Nate:There's, there's one. There's one thing I kind of see that kind of stands out. I hate that pops in my head when I think old folks own. It's like. So apparently he had like an issue with his you know junk and so the nurse had to come in like rub cream on there for him. And it wasn't sexy, it was like very insidious. He, he couldn't get up anyway. It was just really just like her doing something. Well, because of all this that's going on, I guess the adrenaline started pumping it. So she's applying it and it works. And she gives me a look. He's like well, you help me with this. And she's like, no, she's leaves.
Shaun:She's like I'm a nurse, not a prostitute.
Nate:Yeah, she's kind of gives me the side I like. No, that's not yeah.
Shaun:Yeah, that's a very realistic exchange right there. I imagine yeah, she's like oh you and left 1983, and General Mills releases fruit roll-ups under the Betty Crocker label and that means me and you are older than fruit roll-ups, nate. Let that sink in for a moment.
Nate:I get actually get bummed out how many things I'm older than that, like you know.
Shaun:You're older than ESPN also and CNN, I think. Take that. Hmm, the story behind fruit roll-ups was, uh, early 1900s and a Syrian immigrant to New York named George Salub. George Salub was locally famous for selling pieces of apricot leather from a store and 1940s his grandson, louis, decided to individually wrap these pieces and Distribute them and called it Jor-Ray, and this is basically the original fruit roll-up and they basically had a mark corner on this market until the early 70s when a trade magazine Did a story of the company and detailed how the fruit leather was made and we every company in the world was trying their hand at making it. Betty Crocker went into battle with the strategic might of General Mills and won the fruit leather wars of the 1980s. That's how we got fruit roll-ups. They stole it off a Syrian immigrant.
Nate:Yeah go, I was never really big. I was never big in the fruit load of roll-ups. I never really got them as a kid and I don't know. Just I guess, cuz I never got him as a kid, I was never really cared about, so I might have had like maybe like two or three for rolls my entire life and I'm I don't know, I'm missing that I kind of I always I always quote-unquote liked them because I never got them.
Nate:But now that you mentioned I don't know if I actually do really like fruit rolls that much- yeah, I mean I, when I, when I do happen to see commercials, it's like oh yeah, those exist.
Shaun:Yeah, I do know, if people make homemade fruit rolls those can be pretty bomb like made with actually, you know, like real fruit and stuff.
Nate:Oh yeah, yeah, I don't see commercials nowadays cuz I mean, let's see, well, we do. Have you had you to eat YouTube TV for a minute, so the kids had to sit through you know commercials with a big difference by the commercials now and the commercials then, commercials now the top left of the corner, they're like there's four commercials, you're a commercial one, so it's like a little timer actually had sometimes even time like okay, this commercials a minute, and so yeah, I see you know what a little bar across the bombing.
Shaun:Yeah, if you know it's only gonna be like a minute or 90 or you know 90 seconds or whatever it's like, well, I can sit through it, I guess.
Nate:Yeah and then I had some. I used to have something for YouTube, until you, like a fucking crack dealer, it's like, let me give you a taste of YouTube, ha, and so I started YouTube premium. Like I can't, I can't go back. I, yeah, I cannot I watch YouTube. Sometimes I'll click a link in Google and I'll send me to not my YouTube account, I'll send me to another you, because I have, like a, several Google accounts and it's like I'll start off the trail. A commercial, I know, damn it.
Shaun:This is not at all. Yeah, that Also. I'll do that thing too. Where I sit, like a lot of people, youtube videos like watch this, and I realize, oh wait, they don't have like YouTube premium. They might have to sit through a bunch of commercials for this.
Nate:Yeah, the worst is when you send them a convert, like a trailer for something, or it's like I'm a semi-movie trailer and they get there. You're basically sending in commercial and they don't want to commercial before they watch the commercial, right.
Shaun:You're watch this movie trailer before you watch a movie trailer.
Nate:I mean that annoys me, but it's not still, like I've said before, nothing always being nearly as much as when, nowadays, you go to see a commercial and they show you the little mini clip, like they see the best part of the commercial before the commercial actually starts, or should trailer? Yeah, here's, oh, look, here's like literally four or five seconds of the best part of what you're about to watch, and now you watch the whole thing.
Shaun:It's like here's a giant building explosion that you're waiting to see at the very beginning of trailer, and now you gotta watch the rest of the trailer and I get why are they doing.
Nate:That is because Nowadays you need to grab people's attention in the first few seconds or they're gonna swipe. Yeah, I swiped you, I, I'm guilty. I have one of those people if I'd like, nope, nope, nope. So I get why they're doing it, but as someone who's actually interested in wanting to watch that video, it is highly irritating to like basically get a spoil over for the next two minutes.
Shaun:We'll call this Nate's quandary, nate's quandary.
Nate:Yes, yes, cuz grime, my gears is taken.
Shaun:Yep, it is something to get your gears grinded over.
Nate:Her grounded over is so frustrating, or even like I want to watch a clip of a show like oh, not necessarily want to you like you are tick tocks like look, here's a clip of a show you might like. You know this. You know this clip is like three minutes long and it starts off with the Thing like that they like the whole clip about. Like here's the most important part of this clip. Now watch the clip.
Shaun:Ah yep, I have her seen interviews with like directors and producers and stuff who are very unhappy with the way that the trailers get cut for their movies because it'll like literally give up the most important Scenes or like spoil a put spoilers in there.
Nate:Oh yeah.
Shaun:Yeah, yeah, I've seen directors be like they literally destroyed my movie with that trailer. They ruined it. They gave away all the surprises.
Nate:It's awful, that's been a prompt for a while, though, cuz. If you think about Terminator 2 and Terminator 2, that movie is shot. You are not supposed to know. Arnold Schwarzenegger is the good guy. I'd sell the hallway scene. Yeah, he shows up and you got Edward Norton. Right now we're Norton, edward Furlong furlong. He's running away like oh no, there's a cop after me. He sees this Terminator and a guy pulls the gun out and you're supposed to have a moment of like oh shit, yeah, and then he saves him and that's the term. Oh my god, things are different. But the trade of all the marketing. Beforehand I walked in that movie theater knowing yeah, it's like cuz they showed.
Shaun:Like that buddy buddy scene was like you know, he's got a Terminator friend.
Nate:Yeah right, I Saw the movie three times in the theater. When it came out I was like kids, all by myself. Yeah, I thought I love that movie.
Shaun:That was a good movie and I remember too when I saw that was one of the few movies I actually got seeing a theater, and then when I saw it on tape the tape version I actually had some scenes cut out from the movie theater version that I saw too, which is kind of weird, yeah well there's, there was a Linda Carter scene, we're there.
Shaun:The one thing I was remember was the scene where they have to pull the chip out of the Terminator's brain to reset it For some reason, and Linda Carter grabs a hammer. She's like we're taking this thing out now, that it's like that. He's like, no, no, there's a good one. Yeah, that was in the movie theaters, but it wasn't like in the VHS. Release it first, if I recall. I think that's the only thing I don't know that wasn't the opposite.
Nate:Yeah, that's exactly a scene I'll stop talking about.
Shaun:but no, it was not the theater, but it was okay, it was on the VHS, okay, cool, okay, okay, I got it backwards, but yeah, I do remember it being like I don't remember this scene before right or they're supposed to be like.
Nate:And this wasn't even on the VHS date. This is like later on, where they're like look at these cut scenes. You were supposed to see the T1000 starting to kind of break down, like at the very end. Whether they're in the, you know all the construction and stuff. You see him starting to kind of lose control over shape-shifting abilities. Yeah, I mean which? I guess they cut it up because doesn't even fucking matter like, yeah, he started to break down his shapeship abilities but he got thrown in lava, hit the hit. Losing control over his shapeshifting abilities meant nothing.
Shaun:Just assume you just losing control of the shape-shifting ability cuz you got thrown in lava. I didn't pay that close of attention.
Nate:Well, I'll talk about beforehand. Like he's walking around and he grabs, like I mean it's subtle. He's walking through the stuff looking for him and he holds a handrail and his hand Like absorb, like basically becomes part of the handrail and he is kind of like rip it off and as he's walking, his foot starts taking the form of, like you know, whatever's on the floor.
Shaun:It's very subtle, but yeah, in the end I can see that's because it was just like so hot in the foundry that his like skin.
Nate:Something like that quote-a-quote.
Shaun:Metal was like melting cuz he made of gallium or whatever.
Nate:Yeah, yeah, it was like they're suddenly kind of hinting like, oh, you know he started to break down and yeah, if I can say in the end it did, I see why they cut it out. It's still kind of cool edition I.
Shaun:Ben cooler if he completely broke down and he just like turned into this pool of mercury and then they could just carry him and around a little like mason jar, like I'm a determinator. Yay, yay, that be was really good. It was. I thoroughly enjoyed that. Possibly the best sequel ever made. Yeah, that's well, I don't know about the bet.
Nate:I think it. There are very few movies that are sub like surpassed their originals. Terminator 2 is definitely one of them. Empire Strikes Back is not a one.
Shaun:Yep, yeah, that one might be better see. Well, who knows?
Nate:no, I mean, everyone's free to think they're on, but in my, in my humble opinion, empire Strikes Back is, on every level, a superior movie. Star Wars.
Shaun:Oh yeah, well, no, my thought was is. Is it that much more superior to Star Wars as Terminator 2 was to Terminator 1? I was just thinking the gap in superior.
Nate:You got me there. I'll give you that. Yeah, I'll give you that. Yeah, cuz Terminator 1 is really good, but Terminator 2 is better yeah, it is.
Shaun:And Star Wars, the original Star Wars was it was good.
Nate:It was good, yeah, I.
Shaun:I mean, I was enjoyable, is it? Is it technically a good movie?
Nate:Yeah, you guys definitely have hits and misses.
Nate:Yes and especially like the lightsaber scene, the end. You know it is what it is and you know cuz back then they were like they were thinking two old fencers like it's mentally a mental game with their lightly touching I mean that slice air battle with Obi-Wan in Darth Vader and the original it was shit. Let's just let's call it as it is. The guy playing Darth Vader couldn't see. You know, and you know, aliguin, as you the old tell I mean and just didn't care at this point.
Nate:Yeah he was doing. This movie is like I need money, it is so it okay, makes sense. I love, I really wish I Know we talked about before. Like the fan Fan battle between Vader and Obi-Wan is Very good I can't remember the name of it, but you know it's whatever and so they can do better. Now I kind of get why they don't, because they want to preserve it. But it's like come on, you have fucked with the Star Wars original trilogy so much, why not throw that in there?
Shaun:You know you gave us crap messing around, because it would be kind of weird though, you know, like Al Guinness acting like an 85 year old man through 90% of the movie, at the very end becoming a super ninja, flying through the air and jumping off walls and stuff.
Nate:I mean, I guess you could just be like well, that's just like all the huh count Dooku, they did that with him.
Shaun:Yeah, but did he? I guess he did kind of shuffle around like an old man throughout most of the thing, but I know he didn't seem so, I don't know, he didn't seem quite as helpless as like Obi-Wan did. Quote-unquote.
Nate:Obi-Wan didn't really seem to be helpless. I mean, he was he, you know, he wasn't like super frail.
Shaun:He showed some abilities, yeah, I guess more he's more unwilling to fight. I guess it'd be a better term.
Nate:Yeah, yeah, he's unwilling to fight because he did that cold catwalk thing. He snuck in. I mean again like it wasn't, like he was Jumping from platform.
Shaun:Yeah and can't do. Could just always seemed ready to fight. A drop of a hat if you wanted to yeah, and man count, do you?
Nate:I have grown to like him as a character. After the Disney plus show that came, I kind of gave him a backstory because I never really I was never didn't Dislike how do you guys didn't give a shit about him and his name is too close to dookie for you right, no, no, that's just that. Yeah, he showed, he showed up, he's like I'm medicine, and then he got killed and.
Nate:But like when they gave him kind of backstory, you start to see, oh okay, I can, I can kind of they show how he fell and it made more sense. But that's the thing, like, how much leeway do you give, because a movie should be able to stand by itself. You shouldn't have to rely on like series to fill out these characters.
Shaun:Yeah, this is true.
Nate:Yeah, like Anakin. I I like Anakin a lot more than I did this. I mean, I like Darth Vader, but Anakin I can kind of. Yeah, I guess. But after the Clone Wars and all the stuff, and even Especially the most recent, like a soka, I mean, they've really flushed him out. To now it's like okay, he's awesome.
Shaun:But he was awesome. And now when you hear that sand how he hates sand speech you just tear up. You're like I get it, man, I finally get it.
Nate:No, that that is George Lucas and his like. He's never spoken to a woman before.
Nate:George Lucas writes some of the worst dialogue I've ever heard there was actually a great like in the calm, like all those comic book Kit, tad and Bink. If you heard that, I know you've heard of it because I showed you before that was way back in the day. But Tad and Bink is a comedic look at two side characters go to the Star Wars story and as kids they ran to Anakin and so like he's 12 years old feeding Anakin lines to give to Padme. That's why he sounds like some kid trying to talk to her because he's literally being fed, like Roxanne.
Nate:He's literally fed lines from a kid your girl, oh, roxanne.
Shaun:wasn't that the movie Steve Martin?
Nate:Yeah, we'll get a base. I never saw that based on Serena, der Jerak you know well, yeah, which was also based in the older black white movie. You know that scene where this guy falls in love with a girl and he is in the bushes feeding him lines.
Shaun:Yeah cuz the one dude. Yeah cuz it's a romantic dude with a giant nose. He's ugly kind of thing and yeah, yeah, Serena de Bergerac.
Nate:That's the name of the original story on that. Yeah, I had no idea, so you knew more about I. I came out, roxanne, you got all fancy, yep.
Shaun:Roxanne is based off Serena de Bergerac, which I know that story is because back a little ways I think I took my hat to you. Sir, thank you very much. I know some of the weirdest dumb things you'll ever know. I Like to pride myself on the fact I'll say something super intelligent, followed by one the dumbest things you'll ever hear, and then follow it right. I'm back up with something super intelligent again. Just take you on a wild ride. Yeah, back to Betty Crocker couple last few things to round up, that they invented. They invented Dunkaroos, fruit by the foot, fruit gushers. And that's pretty much it for the weird things that we eat day-to-day or see day-to-day. Also Dunkaroos. I didn't even get to try those until I was in my 30s. Bad, I'll leave it right. I mainly remember the commercials. You know don't go ruse, don't go ruse. Have you don't go ruse? Isn't that a cartoon?
Nate:Yeah, that was like a kangaroo.
Shaun:Yeah, and for some reason all I can picture is Rocco from Rocco's modern life, when I was thinking of that commercial. Oh yeah, you should, I should.
Nate:That makes perfect sense.
Shaun:It does well.
Nate:Kangaroos, australia, dingos, didgeridoos and man that show was so fucked up Like he worked at a sex line and they never said it out loud. But if you look at like the stuff around him and what like this, the implications.
Shaun:Yeah, I. Can't believe what they got away with it in 90s, like I love man, I Get a feeling 90s might have been like golden-earth cartoons, cuz you know like the higher ups are just like as cartoons. It's obviously kid stuff. We don't need to keep an eye on them, they'll censor themselves or something like that. They were to wear a bunch of like pervy. 40 year olds were doing cartoons.
Nate:I love it. I think this again the things they go with then they can't get with now, I mean, but then again, I don't know, it's a different. You can put whatever you want on YouTube.
Shaun:So this is true. Well, within reason, you might get demonetized. They probably won't take it down, but you'll get demonetized. But then again, if you're not monetized in first place, who really cares?
Nate:Yeah, I mean, if you just put it out there just for shits and giggles, yeah, it doesn't matter if it's a demonetized or not.
Shaun:Yeah, it's like there's a lot of people putting out steamboat willy stuff for shits and giggles all of a sudden, although I was just this morning reading an article by the guy who did that Winnie the Pooh horror movie that came out like right after the.
Shaun:Yeah, we need to think yeah yeah, before that copyright went up and the dude who drank that movie say that he's not even gonna touch a steamboat willy thing Because there's just too many fine details and what you can and can't do. Like you cannot have Mickey wearing gloves, I guess at all if you're gonna do the steamboat willy thing and he can't have red shorts, I don't think or I think I like be very hyper specific only this one.
Shaun:Yeah, you have to let you really got know what you're doing, otherwise apparently Disney will come after you heart him heavy, so he's like I'm not even gonna touch that. He's like the Winnie the Pooh one. Oh, they do what you kind of got to. Though, when you're that size of a company, sort of like Nintendo I mean you got so much wrapped up in your characters, you kind of got it they do, but from from what I understand they they do tend like go a little too far sometimes, like yeah.
Shaun:You know that's we're gonna make an example of you.
Nate:Yeah, it's. Sometimes it's like a come on, guys, back off.
Shaun:Yeah, yeah.
Nate:Sally didn't know she was doing. She thought she was making something cute.
Shaun:Yeah, in some cases. Sometimes these homemade things will actually like fuel the fire for some of your characters to make a resurgence.
Nate:That's exactly right. I mean, sometimes you sit back and just let him do it.
Shaun:I mean, hey, somebody found this old, obscure Disney character from the 60s and brought them back to life, and now that's one of our biggest things even George Lucas Star Wars like he.
Nate:He still like. He was definitely of the mind like Don't make money off this, but he'll allow people to post whatever they want. Star Wars wise. This is yeah, it's just some good films out there and stuff, just as long as they weren't like Selling tickets and making money off it.
Shaun:Yeah, or say you know, this is an officially licensed thing, right? George Lucas approved.
Nate:That's a pretty bad ass, like Dark Vader stuff that people made and saw a really bad Darth Maul one. There's been some really good Fan films out there that again it's just people for the love of the game they made it.
Shaun:Yes, one of the reason I hated the Most recent Star Wars movie was it the return of the Jedi or whatever.
Nate:It was last Jedi that never turn the Jedi.
Shaun:Rise of the Skywalker. There we go, yeah.
Nate:There's so many reasons I hate that fucking movie.
Shaun:Well, part of the reason I really hated too is because, like the day before I watched, I watched a bunch of Star Wars Fan films and some of those fan films were noticeably better on their writing and even some of the special effects were better of those fan films. It's like they told a better story in a half an hour on YouTube than that entire movie did in two hours, or whatever it was.
Nate:Yeah, yep, sure enough. I mean, it's so infuriating too.
Shaun:It's like man like you guys have the budget of the gods and you put out crap. How is this possible?
Nate:Oh, it's me like I'll be one screaming. At least people like screw me on Lucas.
Shaun:You were the chosen one. Yeah, exactly.
Nate:You were supposed to make better movies, not dog shit.
Shaun:Yeah, we're supposed to move forward, not backwards, not ever spinning in a circle.
Nate:Yeah, I think they're making a new one. I think and I need now I might be talking about. I asked these are articles I haven't read. We saw like I saw the title of the article and then moved on, but I think they're making another ha the best kind of research you could possibly do a headline research. Yeah, at least I had. At least I had the decency to announce it before this is true.
Nate:But I think Daisy really is like reprising her role, I think after she says she wouldn't. Oh, I mean, and the thing is, I did, I didn't dislike Ray, like I'm Let me know, I have super cool with female Jedi, and like there are like a soka is amazing. There's a lot of times just you can't. She did not even told her she had powers and she's mind controlling a stormtrooper to let her go, and she's dealing with a dude who's like and they're like, oh, but she's so powerful of a force, fair, okay, I'll give you a grant, fine. But then she like I think actually I'm going back into the first movie, not the last one. But then she fights Kylo Ren toe-to-toe and you can say, oh, he was wounded, but he's still trained by Luke Skywalker, trained by you know, big ugly motherfucker. And then, like I don't know it just. And then the last one, she just so many problems. And then again, as a Star Wars lover, and again I'm not crazy, like I don't know every in and out, but you started with the Sith stuff, like why, the whole thing about the Sith stuff is like you, there's one master of one apprentice.
Nate:Now, there was Sith absolutely way back in the day in the old, in the old Republic, where there was a lot of them, but they all got wiped out by Darth Bane and that was kind of like I don't know like, where did all the Sith people come from? Where did they get the manpower to build all those ships? And, if they like, how did all those people get through? I mean, they made it seem like getting through that large thing was a big deal. The whole movie is about like let's find the secret man to get there and they almost died and go through the storm but somehow, in a manner, a span of like 30 minutes, a whole armada comes out of nowhere. They all just traverse it with no problem. I don't know. I'm gonna stop now. Stop, stop.
Shaun:Yeah, star Wars movies are best if you don't think about them past the initial ooh. Look, flashing lights. Neat, it's all good, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Deep breaths, nate, deep breaths, it'll be okay. Calm and serenity. Calm and serenity. Breathe deep and relax.
Nate:So there you go. There's a Bitty Crocker, Bitty.
Shaun:Crocker and Star Wars. What does Bitty Crocker think of Star Wars? Who knows?
Nate:Right, but beware, like if Star Wars comes up, Nathan will not shut the fuck up.
Shaun:He has points to talk about and points to make. He will not be silenced.
Nate:And he is highly upset about certain things.