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Legend 1985 Part Two: Unicorns, Darkness, and Goth Transformations
What if the battle between light and darkness hinged on the whims of a goth-dress and a failed unicorn rescue? Join us on a whimsical exploration of the fantasy film "Legend" as we unravel its peculiar plot, starting with the outrageous antics of the villain, Darkness, and his anime-esque sidekick, Blix. Marvel at the childlike innocence of Princess Lily and Jack the Green, who, despite their ages, seem perpetually trapped in a fairy tale of their own making. We share a laugh at the film's reliance on plot-convenient timing while reminiscing about that iconic unicorn encounter, a scene that's as magical as it is perplexing.
Discover the bizarre dynamics in a mystical forest where riddles, eerie characters, and unexpected romantic confessions abound. You'll meet Gump, whose unsettling presence is as mysterious as his riddles, and Una, who surprises everyone by transforming her size and professing her love for Jack. As we piece together these fantasy elements, our discussion takes a humorous twist, revealing the absurdity of Blunder's pie-bound fate and Lily's goth transformation. With key scenes bathed in nostalgia and humor, we can’t help but admire the visual impact, even if some CGI moments leave us chuckling at their dated execution.
As the curtain falls on "Legend," we savor the movie's chaotic conclusion where light triumphs over darkness, thanks to Jack's bravery and Lily's defiant spirit. Our musings take us through a nostalgic journey of the film's synth-laden soundtrack and the editing controversies that sparked debate in the 80s and 90s. We reflect on the unique challenges and romantic complexities faced by Lily and Jack amidst a competitive cinematic landscape. Wrapping up the episode, we promise more laughter, insight, and whimsical adventures in our future reviews, leaving you eagerly anticipating our next escapade on "Oft Off Topic".
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But anyway, it's time I go all in the weeds of how this movie got made. But most issues are very similar to other movies. But I'm 1,500 words in and I still haven't really talked about the movie yet. So you ready to start talking about the movie M? So Darkness, the evil lord of darkness Plan. I put that line in there. I flubbed it up when it was read.
Speaker 2:I thought it was funny. And Garf Garfunkel we're seeing about when they said hello darkness, my old friend, yes, that's what we're talking about. Yep, they, he was best friends with Simon Garfunkel neat, explain some things Paul Simon would hang out with the ultimate evil?
Speaker 1:yeah, you would he'd love him, yeah. But he uh hatches a plan to cause eternal night in winter. Uh, for this he calls his best minion Blix. And then the movie starts. Like we're starting with this. He charges her to find and kill two unicorns that live in the forest near the castle and bring their horns for a dark ritual to snuff out the sun. But Blix has an issue. The unicorns sense his evil and would never let them get close enough to hurt them, and darkness tells them to use innocence as bait and this kind of sends them off to figure it out. It's like they really kind of hammered home how evil Blix is Because, like when the that, they really kind of hammered home how evil blix is because, like when they you know evil, the darkness is sitting there. They call blix in and he's like aren't you a son of a bitch? She's like yep, like don't you? You have evil in your heart. You're told just worst, just the worst, and she's like yep, that's me.
Speaker 2:So I mean obviously anime introduction kind of thing. The evilest of all my henchmen's, that's me.
Speaker 1:I mean again, like this is in the verbatim, all my henchmen, that's me okay again, like this isn't verbatim, but yeah, but still yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:It's a good way to get the point across in a hurry, though yeah, exposition dump. You're evil. Yes, I am.
Speaker 1:Let's do this, yep so meanwhile by the way, I'm gonna use meanwhile several times, because there's a lot of meanwhile is happening here, so, but elsewhere, meanwhile, princess lily is venturing into the forest to find jack the green. But jack in the green, a forest dwellers, fall in love with lily. She's been coming for us quite a while and they clearly love each other. And she actually starts off like I didn't really find a way to write the send nearby. I feel like she's important to say when she first shows up, she shows up at some villager's house and she knows, everyone knows like oh, hey, lily, blah, blah, blah. It's like okay, you know. So basically, you have a princess. She's leaving the castle and goes to the small village nearby and she happens to know them and she goes off to find jack and he went. They run into each other and they're like all innocent and giddy. I don't know, I think they're a little bit too old, you know, they're late teens and they're acting like I don't know, like they're 12 years old or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're acting like little kids, skipping around the maypole and this and that and stuff and yeah, but whatever you know, it's fine.
Speaker 1:You know it. I'm quibbling at that point. Yeah, at the time when I was a kid, I didn't really notice it as a adult, looking back, like I don't know, you guys are kind of old for this. But anyway, in order to show off, jack brings lily to see the most precious animals in the forest unicorn. He tells her he's breaking the rules by doing this, but trusts her to stay in her lane. It's like look, you're a human and you need to like don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying, okay I just like to stay in your lady. I just picture tom cruise be like look, I'm gonna show you something.
Speaker 1:But look here, bitch, stay in your lane you're a human in the forest, listen to me. And that was a mistake, because lily immediately defies jack's warning and approaches unicorn. Although she's, you know, defiant, willful, she's still innocent. Yeah, they and they, unicorn, sense her innocence and they allow her to come near and touch her and I actually I put a picture of it. It's actually again, they, the cinematography they really do love like these images, that's like iconic and this being one of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I recognize this image everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, I mean, it's not. It's by no means legend Like, oh, this happened for the movie. It is very picturesque, you know, she's on her knees in like a small lake.
Speaker 2:Lighting's really good on this. It looks really nice. Yeah, that's good, that is good cinematography.
Speaker 1:So at the same time, blix is hiding somewhere in the bushes nearby because her timing is exquisite. I mean, there's a lot of her timing is exquisite.
Speaker 2:If timing wasn't exquisite, this movie would have happened if daylight savings time just happened during this uh filming nothing else would have happened because one of the bad guys would have woke up hour late.
Speaker 1:I mean because there it's. There's no scene in which blix is like tailing after him, or there's even an indication that blix knows anything about the princess. Like she rolls up, the unicorn comes up and bam, because she's awesome.
Speaker 2:And the script would be like Blix just happens to come across the heroes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no establishing. Maybe that was one of the scenes they like fell on the floor and that got cut out of the script, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she had like a little magical ball or something to take him to him.
Speaker 1:So we don't know why Blix is there, but she's there, unicorn with a poison, dart, which caused the unicorns to run away. Both jack and lily are oblivious of what happened. They just think you know. The unicorns ran off for no reason but, horsefly, got it, got it or something. Yeah, just like cats, I'm going to the room for the reason unicorns do the same thing.
Speaker 2:There's like ah, there's something else in the forest they're skittish little critters and so jack pissed.
Speaker 1:He berates lily for audacity and she just kind of like laughs it off and changes the subject by showing her a ring. She's like, oh, I know you, but look a ring. And she goes. She says, oh, this is my important ring. Whoever finds this ring? Um, well, I'll marry whoever gets it. And she throws it over a small cliff and go. It falls out of the cliff and goes into a pond down below and he like, immediately, without even thinking, he like immediately, just like, forgets the fight they had and he jumps off the cliff and like dies into the water below.
Speaker 1:Called the power of being really horny, exactly, I mean, unfortunately the water wasn't, like you know, inches deep, cause, like that'd be the end of the movie, he jumps off the cliff crack. Well, I guess he's dead now.
Speaker 2:He still has a ring in his hand, though, so she's got to marry a paraplegic now.
Speaker 1:Well, no she could just be like, ooh, I'm out of here and she'd go back to her castle and no one would ever know. Jack's like drowning in three inches of water down below. She's like, well, I'm going back to my castle. That really sucks, so I'll cry in my bed for a little bit.
Speaker 2:But then I'll meet a prince and move on. I mean, he was kind of an asshole over the unicorn thing Right.
Speaker 1:So meanwhile again, blix tracks down the unicorn and cuts off her horn. Yeah, it's a whole dramatic scene. The unicorn draws knees Did they use like a little chainsaw. Oh, that would have been cruel, but nope, it was just. You know, cheap Blix kind of revels in the moment, holds the sword high up her head Again picturesque For the ultimate realism in the scene.
Speaker 1:they actually installed a horn on a real horse surgically and they had to cut it off and so and, of course, the effects the moment the horn comes off, the effects are instant and winter hits the forest like elsa, let it go. The pond, yeah, I like that, I like that line, the um, the pond, the pond jackson instantly freezes over and he nearly drowns with the ice. Like immediately he gets down, he can't find the ring and he kind of gives up. He goes up for air and there's ice there. So he's like, oh, he's pounding ice and trying to get out of it and, uh, does lily? Like go down there and help him. Nah, she just fucks off and leaves his ass to drown. She's like, ah, ice is cold, good luck with that. Yeah, the wind picks up, it starts blowing everywhere and she's just like yee, um, this looks like a bad thing, I'm out.
Speaker 1:And she's she bounced and skittish like a unicorn, yep and she runs back to the village and hides in the same small college where she ran into the villagers, and then she finds them all frozen like the. The implication is they might be dead, but it's not really. There's kind of like, you know, frozen carbonite there. I was like frozen in place because, again, I don't know why, that didn't happen to her, but it happened to all the villagers and so she's hiding in this village. Uh, it will I say, keep on saying village. It's one house, so I guess they have the budget for like multiple houses. They just keep on flashing the interior of the exterior which is just off camera.
Speaker 1:We promise, yeah oh no, there's villages.
Speaker 1:I promise this is the edge of the village, so she's in in there and again with exquisite timing, blix and company happen to camp just outside the house and Lily overhears them talking shit. They're like, yeah, that stupid girl. Thankfully we got to shoot that unicorn, because that girl she's like, oh my God, does she hear? Then all of a sudden, a hooded figure just comes out of nowhere and they start speaking. And darkness speaks through the figure, so, like it is absolutely darkness, it's our, it's tim curry's voice, but it's like a kind of um floating, kind of looks like, uh, one of those evil things from harry potter. Like, uh, a wraith, right, right, okay yeah, and just kind of like hovering in the air.
Speaker 1:You know, just, you know, I mean you hooded figure, you know what I'm talking about. So, but darkness speaks to the figure and informs Blix Eternal Night cannot happen unless they have both. So they got one unicorn horn, but that's not enough. Then you get the other one too and honestly, there's a slight humor scene where the small black knight, blunder, who's been these guys have been talking shit for a while now and he's overcome with overconfidence.
Speaker 1:He swipes the unicorn unicorn from blix and he, he's like I got the horn, now what are you gonna do? He threatens to use the power of the horn to attack darkness and replace it. I'm gonna become the darkness. And darkness kind of just like the foot figure, just kind of stands there and just like immediately just knocks him down and then, uh, fucking, he raises his hand a little bit and, um, an undead just pops out from nowhere. So there's like a dead body, and like a mummified dead body just pops out of the ground, just with no warning, and like it sees his blunder, it just hauls him away in the night and blicks the other guy's like well, there he goes, and they move on like there's he shouldn't have ran his mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like yeah, because that's probably not the first time something like that's happened being in that crew.
Speaker 1:Like you didn't want none, don't come, get some. You know, just like should have shut up. You were fine, but the moment you decided to break out of your lane once again, stay in your lane a couple too many drinks of grog and he got mouthy.
Speaker 1:Yep, he sure did, and he got hauled off into the darkness, uh, never to be heard again until you know later on. So after all this, lily, you know, is now upset. You know she's upset. She realized it's her fault, this is all happening. Didn't listen to jack. And because she didn't listen jack, you know she's upset. She realized it's her fault, this is all happening. Didn't listen to jack, and because she didn't listen jack, you know, the unicorn got trapped. And so now back to jack. Without the ringer ring now, or lily, he breaks out of the ice and he's just alone, and so he's looking around for lily, can't find her, but he does run to his friend. Uh, for the first was for his friends was named honeythorpe gump, a brown tom screwball, and una yeah, I mentioned those guys earlier uh, what is it called british names in this, or english names?
Speaker 1:yeah, it's totally google funk, you know. Now, gump, they're like, hey, what's up? But they suspect something, you know. They suspect jack did something to cause this and they kind of like you know what's up with this? Do you know what's going on? I?
Speaker 2:know you're lying. Something like this happens is because you did something stupid jack, yeah that. Yeah, what's your horny ass do now they're like I.
Speaker 1:I come on, man, just let us know what happened. And so jack confesses he took lily to go see the unicorn and humans touching a unicorn. Well, humans being around unicorns is not good, but touching a unicorn is like a, and gump is initially pissed and unwilling to help jack like he is. And so, in order to kind of like wash it over, to help jack fix everything, he offers a riddle and if he answers the riddle he'll be forgiven. If he answers it wrong, gump's gonna kill him and like this kid's creepy man, like the, the guy that got this is like raspy, high-pitched, gravelly raspy voice and like, when I see half naked, like he's literally wearing a loincloth and that's it so it's you know this, like the fact is a dude named gump who's living in a forest so this was the riddle.
Speaker 1:Let's see if you can do it. You're not gonna. What is the bell that never rings? Yet it's bell makes the angels sing um.
Speaker 2:It is I guess hold on. Uh, what kind of bell. Uh, uh, uh. I was trying to think of a flower that's got bell in the name, but okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1:You got it right there. It's a flower.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, you flower yeah, you get blue bell. That's what I was trying to think of a blue bell holy shit, I would have died, dude.
Speaker 1:He would have killed me. You would have won because it was a blue bell. A blue bell, it's uh, to hear it ring means your life is at an end, so that the angels sing. Like I had no clue and but no're absolutely right. And you even answered it kind of like how Jack answered it. He first answers a flower, gum freezes, and then he says a bluebell. So like your way of getting there.
Speaker 2:It's like freaking, what's his butt off of Jeopardy? He's like, ooh, need a little more specific please. What kind of a flower. You did real good, yay, yay, look at me go. I wouldn't have died so far in this movie.
Speaker 1:So jack answers correctly and sets gum off, like he thrashes around for a minute or so and then also he gets up like nothing happened and they set off to go undo the curse. So after some searching, they find the injured unicorn who's barely holding on alive, and his mates nearby, and that's where you see what's furious is running around.
Speaker 2:You know it's a horse now he gets in there with his arms crossed. Be like no, sir, I don't like it. They conclude.
Speaker 1:The only way to fix the winner is to find and return the horn to the injured unicorn. Not unhinged.
Speaker 2:I keep on saying uninjured, no, the injured, the die unicorn well, when you cut the horn off of a unicorn, you get an uninjured horse technically, so they leave brown tom to watch over the unicorn and search for some armor and weapons for jack, and which they quickly find.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm assuming I can't. I wanted to watch the movie before I I did this. Um, I never got around to it, um, and I'll explain the reasons why later. Um, but I don't remember how they like immediately got it. I think maybe una or you know, gump knew like oh hey, by the way, I I've got this cave I can take you that has a bunch of stuff in it, because it's like something like that, yeah right away they take them to a cave and they go down there and una goes down there with him and they'll keep in mind, uno is a small little tinkle bear like fairy.
Speaker 1:I mean it's like you know this little. You know what I'm talking about? Like, almost like little things from the bright, or whatever you want to call them, or uh well, no, I was actually thinking of more of a oh my god, I can't the ewok movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those little fairy things it kind of she, she looks like that fairy things. Yeah, yeah, the wisps um. Oh, there we go. I think that's what they were actually yeah and so she looks like that.
Speaker 1:I think she's actually supposed to be a wisp. But when she's in there, she all sudden, like magic's into human size, like she still has wings, but she's like large and he freaks out. For me he's like oh my god, he didn't know she could do that. Come to find out. No one knows that she can do that. And she's like you know, she's like hey, by the way, I love you. And he's like, uh, cool, yeah, thanks, but no, thanks, I. Yeah, I love lily and she takes it okay, she's not not totally cool with it, she's kind of pissed, but, um, she's still like okay, you know, I still love you. Just don't tell anybody I can get big, because if you tell gump he's gonna be furious, and you know people. One kind of running theme is everyone, including jack, is scared of gump. So I don't know what he did, but apparently he's done some heinous shit because he's he's an elf, so he's been living. He's not a boy, he's been living like probably for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2:So he's, uh probably was known for baiting other children to epstein island. So, oh, absolutely, that's what. Yeah, he was. That was never, never landed.
Speaker 1:He was taking them too yeah, yeah, he uh, he was definitely. He wasn't on the list because he was the list, yes, exactly. So while this is happening, lily finds brown tom again meanwhile. But lily finds brown tom and the injured unicorn. She begs for forgiveness and tries to warn him of what he's overheard, but he just basically tells her to fuck off. You know he's not listening to her. He's like man, you're a human and, yes, you're a false, so get away from here. And as she's trying to plead with him, miraculously blicks again, with no indication that he knew who lily even was outside, like the person you baited this magically, just followed her ass and found the unicorns. You know, used her to find the unicorns and they uh think they kill, they attack brown tom. I'm not sure if he dies or not, but they attack brown tom. They uh grab her and the unicorn. So not, but they attack brown tom, they grab her and the unicorn. So they get the injured euquorum, the lip, the uninjured unicorn and lily. They get all three, or meet for dinner.
Speaker 2:Nice, right and so meanwhile back you're gonna have to do a like a control f on maybe, and see how what the word count is right so he's well on his way to infiltrate the castle.
Speaker 1:As he weighs through a swamp, he's attacked by meg muckle bones, the character I mentioned earlier, and after some back and forth, she's like. He's like are you gonna eat me? She's like yep, I'm totally eat you, like she's. She's playing with her food and it's actually again. I just can't stress. I really youtube it. It's creepy, especially for a kid's movie. It and it is. You cannot see the actor underneath. I was a total shock when I found out who played this character. It was real.
Speaker 2:They really look at it, a little job yeah yeah, they did a really good job making them look wet too with all that. Yeah, yeah on them, yeah that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I actually didn't.
Speaker 2:I left that part out, but yes, like it's dripping, it is yeah, if you want to make stuff look kind of creepy and unsettling, you've got to make it look wet like that.
Speaker 1:And you don't use water.
Speaker 2:I guess you use like glycerin or like cooking oil sometimes on it Apparently. It's kind of funky on the actors.
Speaker 1:So Jack distracts her by complimenting her Like, oh you're beautiful, while she's all like she's just about to attack him, like she's like she's having fun. But you know, she's about to like attack. And as she lunges, he like but heads her just again. Keep in mind, this kid has never held a sword before, has never killed any before, but for some reason he's just like a natural kill, it comes surprisingly easy for this young man people should be more alarmed than they really are yeah, like wow, man, you took her head off real easy, so, but they get, you know, the kill hit her real fast and almost immediately afterward they fall into a trap and they end up in a castle dungeon.
Speaker 1:It's just like, oh, she's dead. One step.
Speaker 2:So Coincidence that they just wandered right into that trap.
Speaker 1:Although all this coincidence and finding stuff fast makes more sense when you consider it's all on a soundstage, but up anyways, exactly. Yeah, like we don't have, we don't have the time or space for them to like, have any kind of like journey. It's like we're. We need one thing after the next. Yeah, right, and again as a great example why 80s movies are so amazing, the dungeon they land in is gloriously fucked up, like there's mutilated bodies everywhere.
Speaker 1:There's random screens in the distance and one specific thing that still reverts to this day as a kid there's a shadow of a guy in the wall on hit, like laying on the back on a table, as a shadow of someone else with a big cleaver slowly chopping him up into death. A lot like they're chopping his legs up. He's like every so often it's not even like screaming and yelling like you can tell this guy's so done, they chop. He goes like oh, his arms kind of raise up a little bit and he sits up for a second and lays back down. Then chop. Oh, it's like dude, this is so messed up.
Speaker 2:Uh, and again, this is a kid's movie and it's, but it's the 80s, so it was very much and I was just about to say that kind of feels like part of that brother's grim influence they're talking about exactly, yeah like, yeah, this story will stick with the children more if we sprinkle a little traumatization in with it. So the party. They're not wrong, though.
Speaker 1:No they're not wrong. Well, the party wakes up in a cage in the kitchen, desperate jack breaks una's trust and reveals that she can get big, so she can get the cage. She's all like we need to get out of here. He's like una, get the key. And gump's like she can't get the key, she's too small and like you could tell una's like you do it, man. And he's like no, she can get the key. And then she turns big and of course, gump is pissed because you know that's what he does. He's mad and but you know what's he gonna do? They're traveling the cage and so una, she's like okay, you know, goes, I'll do it for you, but kiss me first. And gump's like immediately, goes like yeah, man, kiss her, do it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's like if you would hand down his pants, do it, kiss her um, and even, and then even.
Speaker 1:Like turns herself to a likeness of princess lily and jack's just about to kiss her. He's like no true love and she gets pissed off and flies away. But fortunately she comes back the key, like gives him the keys and then fucks off. Like you know, she's willing to let him escape, but then she runs away. So, you know, I guess it worked out. But it's like, come on, man, you know what's the harm, you know whatever. Well, as they flee and come up across, they flee the cage and they come across a large pie that's on its way to the oven, but they hear muffled cries inside. They peel back the crust and they find blunder, now without his armor, and it turns out he's actually a fallen dwarf. He's all remorseful and sad. He gives us some advice, but you know it's it is kind of like pathetic. And do they rescue him and does he join on their quest? What do?
Speaker 2:you think he says I'm comfortable being a pie, leave me here no, what?
Speaker 1:instead, what happens is, as he's there giving advice, he's like begging to get free. They hear the the chef coming, and so they just bounce and they leave. They leave him in the pie and he gets dragged out to be cooked. The end as the upper blunder. So I mean he'll be back in the next episode as dinner, or yes, exactly, uh, the blunder gave everybody the runs that night. That was his final act of vengeance never mind monozubers revenge, blunders revenge so back to lily anytime I get the runs.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna call it blunders revenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right now, meanwhile, lily, she wakes up, surrounded by gifts, in a large dining room. She starts to explore with a living black goth dress, begins a dance around her enchanting her. It's actually pretty cool. It's like they had the actress who was dancing. They put like a sparkly black hood over them so you don't see any skin. It literally looks like a garment that's come to life with a fake person in there. But honestly, the dance goes all the way to. I mean, it's dancing around, it's supposed to be enchanting her and it's like I think it's maybe two or three minutes, but it was cool for 15 seconds, for three minutes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's, it's.
Speaker 1:It is cool for let's say let's go, say as far as 30 seconds. You know 30 seconds is cool, for let's go as far as 30 seconds. You know 30 seconds is cool, but it is entirely too long.
Speaker 2:And it's not even a good dance.
Speaker 1:I mean it's fine but it's not like.
Speaker 2:I like how Britney Minnich goes to the Star Wars Christmas special, where they have that one dance scene in the middle that goes on for like five minutes. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like that.
Speaker 1:Not quite as cheesy, but not that far off. But in the end it is really cool the dress. She's dancing along and they're like together apart, together apart. And then all of a sudden the camera cuts and together the screen turns black for half a second and now Lily's wearing the dress. And not only is she wearing a dress, but she's also getting totally gothed out. She has pale white skin, she has black eyeliner and black lipstick. I also included the picture of that. See that.
Speaker 2:And, I'm guessing, probably setting a lot of dudes fetishes for the rest of their life at that moment. Oh yeah, definitely. He looks like What's-Her-Butt from Skeletor Sidekick. Yeah, and that dress is cut real low.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it goes from her nape of her neck all the way down to her belly button.
Speaker 2:It's just yes, so yeah yeah, that that's definitely a look that affected many young men from the packing that day. I would I would have been one too, if I had seen that like, oh, I'm gonna be doing that later, yeah, yeah I yeah.
Speaker 1:So, uh, she checks herself, but as she goes to look at herself in the mirror kind of like, oh my god, that's when um my god, I'm hot, I want to be a bad guy.
Speaker 1:Now that's when you finally see darkness. You know, instead of like you know so far, you saw him in like kind of neon-y silhouette and you saw him as the hood of bird. Now you actually see him for who he is and he comes stepping out of the mirror and it's like one large. You see his hook come out first, boom, and it's a big goat hoof and you see his hand come out of the mirror. Now for the 80s it looked amazing, for now it's fine. You know, it really isn't fair to judge, you know, cg, 1980, cg versus now.
Speaker 2:It's not fair but is it the cgi they were doing with that?
Speaker 1:one or slight, I mean just because they could do a practical effect with someone coming out of a mirror, you know. So it it wasn't a lot. It wasn't a lot, but it was some and it just can do some effects coming through a mirror.
Speaker 2:I remember seeing a special effects thing where they did it for a movie, in the 90s I think. But we'll talk about well again 85 so yeah, well, no, I mean it was practical effect, like they were just using a sheet of clear water oh, I got a reflection off of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, this actually I think they did um, it was, you know, a cg as I could get back there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they go a different way, but they didn't we'll find out soon one of these days, I'm sure right the scene alone should have gotten an oscar for the cinematography, in my opinion. That's another picture I included on here the she passes out and when he's leaning over, and actually the the picture I found there's actually a better picture out there with wider shot. It's like a lot longer, uh, than including more of this. The scene, like the scene you're seeing now, to the right it's actually to the far right of a very long you know, a wide-angle lens and it looks so good. This is, I don't know, this is the only one I could find. All the other ones are there like no, you have to pay for this image. I'm like, I'm not going to pay for this image, I'm just going to use it to show no, that.
Speaker 2:I can actually download. It is a cinematography movie, the cinematography is great.
Speaker 1:This is just a still shot, but the wind was blowing so his cape was billowing. It was a really good, one of my favorite shots in the movie. And so then she wakes up and Darkness tries to seduce her. He's all like, hey, blah, blah, blah. There's actually a really great line.
Speaker 2:It's your sign, baby.
Speaker 1:I got blah blah. There's actually a really great line. It's your sign, baby. I got an i-rock out in the parking lot and she's kind of defiant, it kind of pisses him off. But there's a really great line I'm actually thinking about including on a sticker I'm gonna do, where she's like you're an animal. He's like we are all animals, my dear, something like that. So it's actually it's really good. And again, all with the voice of tim curry and him just like totally. And see, he believes the sin of luring the unicorn has tainted her pure soul and now that she's been tainted she's all geared up for super evil. It's like you know that doesn't work. Like that man you don't like. Oh, I stepped on a bug, so now I'm ready for 9-11. You know it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you think to jack who just lopped off somebody's head without thinking twice about it. Very true, I mean it is it's the evilness it.
Speaker 1:He goes from like, oh one small thing, and now you're ready for so. But after some back and forth.
Speaker 2:You cheated on your third grade spelling test. Good, now you're ready for human sacrifice.
Speaker 1:Oh, kill this man, yeah but she eventually like, after some back and forth, she does eventually agree to marry him, but on the, on one condition that she's allowed to kill the other unicorn. He just buys it. He's like, oh, okay, great, I'm glad this worked out. Like no, like, come on, man, think, think about it. Like, give her a test, something first. Like I don't know, give her a child, okay, kill this child. Then you kill unicorn first, you know just pure evil.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'll do it. Obviously you won't lie to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, and so but but you know, she's just like sure, why not? And so he, he laughs evilly. The scene ends and of course, because this movie has exquisite timing. Meanwhile, while they're in conversation, jack and his friends were nearby. It's like, uh, and you know, while he's doing his super villain rant, he goes hey, you know that thing over there, it sure would suck if that thing killed me.
Speaker 2:Basically being the son, he was like oh yeah, the sun kills me, so, um, I always hate that the bad guy's like, hey, here's my one weakness, be sure not to exploit it. I mean, it's right over there on a shelf too.
Speaker 1:Just be a good guy, well that's he's like, yeah, I need to kill these unicorns to get rid of the sun, and jack and company go out like they're what are we gonna do what we're gonna do?
Speaker 1:and they find a room full of like these large, um, like polished mirrors and they're like oh, sweet mirrors. And so they set up a very intricate like reflection, like, okay, we're gonna get this here and we'll slowly go up and get someone to go to the very tippy top of the castle when the sun's going down, to reflect light. They do a legend of zelda puzzle, very, very much so. And I'm like, even to this day, sometimes I try to reflect one light off a mirror to another mirror and the light, slowly it dissipates. You know, you, the light you get at the, it's not a laser, it's light, it's light, it's just generic light. And so by the time you get to, I don't know, even the second or third mirror, the light's almost nonexistent.
Speaker 1:But you know what? Let's toss that reality out the window. We are in a world where the light that comes in from the very first mirror is as much as or more intense than the last mirror. That's the world we're in. Corn magic, exactly, but exactly so. But meanwhile, meanwhile, darkness gives lily a sword to kill the last unicorn and, surprise, surprise, she cuts the chain holding him down and freeze the beast, you know, and now she hasn't let him go. Like outside, they're in the deepest, darkest dungeon. So they, she frees the unicorn.
Speaker 2:I don't know what her next step was, because she didn't have a freak down, just like ran off a ledge or something right away or something she had no plan nothing.
Speaker 1:She just like cut the chain, let him go, and then furious darkness pip slaps her. She just goes into consciousness just immediately. Slap, done so. And then dark jack his pip slap, yep. Then uh, darkness show, jack shows up out of nowhere and they start fighting. You know it's a very brief fight because, for again, jack doesn't have much, you know, fight experience and it's actually a really cool scene where Dark just charges at him like a bull and Jack is like pinned against the wall and Dark just the horns slam around him. So it's a nice scene where you know Dark just has his face looking at him and he calls him Boy, just like who are you, boy? And it's again great scene.
Speaker 1:This movie is full of great scenes and so so. But then, you know, after a very brief fight, because you know jack really can't do shit to him, they finally get the light. There's actually a really intense quote tense scene where the dwarf who had the very tippy top of the mountain, with the last mirror he gets the very top and he gets so exhausted he passes out and he sleeps there for a little bit. So that's why things didn't go right. Then finally he wakes up just before the sun can be set, like the bomb is down to two. It's like, oh no.
Speaker 1:And so he gets the mirror up. The light goes all the way down. The very intense scene is like will the light make it in time? And all the light goes down there and it nails the darkness right in the chest and of course he gets blasted back like he hit by a cannon and goes flies right toward guess what? There just happened to be a vortex nearby. That he that earlier in the movie he doctors usually talk to his dad never said who his dad was. But he's like father, he's talking to the doctor, so he's soon with saint or somebody. But they never actually clarify who father.
Speaker 1:But he's in the void dude who looks like rick moranis exactly, yeah and so uh, but then as he's, you know, he's the light still hitting him, even though they just established, like a minute ago the sun was going down.
Speaker 2:Almost gonna be gone one of those two where you're gonna see the light beam actually move through the sky, because light moves slowly and movies, yeah, from mirror to mirror.
Speaker 1:You see the light going down? Yeah, yep and um and again, like the sun, the sun coming down, the light hidden from the mirror to the darkness is way more powerful than any kind of this would be a magical amplifying mirrors yeah, and he's up against the stopped himself the door to the void and he's, his nails are digging into the door and he's sliding.
Speaker 1:And then he screams out yo, you can't kill me. Darkness is in everyone's heart. As long as there's darkness, people's hearts, I'll never truly be gone. And then jack cuts his hand off. He plunges into the darkness.
Speaker 2:So darkness falls into the darkness of the void and he kept the hand and made it into an ashtray, like people used to do with gorilla hands. Yep Right, well, no, actually he made it into a.
Speaker 1:he put into his closet full of monkey paws Like this is a monkey paw.
Speaker 2:He's like a fine threaded horn. Just no, you that even better.
Speaker 1:But nope, they just like touched it, it was immediately just back up, like there's no super glue or nothing, just it they no magical salve or nothing, nope, just they touch one edge of the other and it's a perfect fit turns out, they're actually naturally detachable and they fall off all the time in nature.
Speaker 1:So well, it fits perfectly the curse just as quickly as it began. The curse would end and Princess, but. But problem is, princess Lily is now in a cursed coma due to her injury and now that Stubborn has returned, the pond is fixed and for reasons we don't know like we don't know why he thinks of this and why it works jack jumps in the water from the very beginning, finds the ring and places it on her finger and she wakes up again. There's no establishing anything, the that would show why this would work or how he thought of it.
Speaker 2:but there we go getting married to dude is such a powerful aphrodisiac. It just brings you back from death. I guess 100.
Speaker 1:So now, that lily's awake, she and jack profess their love and the unicorns run around and dance and the movie ends as the unicorns run off into the distance and Jack and Lily go off into the sunset together and the woodland friends happily wave goodbye. A very you know generic kind of?
Speaker 2:And does he have like a big, stretchy, long arm that reaches out through the top of the limo and waves side to side as they go?
Speaker 1:off. Oh my god, I love that scene. Thank you very much for that. I love that scene so much.
Speaker 2:For those of you who don't know, the Fantastic Four movie back in the early 90s had a horrifyingly dumb scene, mr Fantastic waving out the top of the limo with his long rubber arms.
Speaker 1:We've definitely got to do a podcast of that. If you don't do it, I'm doing it, for whatever reason. In the American release the camera pans up and darkness is laughed. In the british version it didn't. The credits roll and the most 80s music you ever fucking heard of it in play the american studios wanted the possibility of a sequel would be my guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well uh, and you did not mishear me, it was actually 80s techno pop music that played through the whole movie. The entire track of legend was scored and played by a german electric music band, tangerine dream, and if you've never seen that coming in what I actually heard of Tangerine Dream, to be honest.
Speaker 2:But I didn't picture you saying there's going to be a techno beat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the entire movie. Just imagine the entire decade of the 80s, dry humping a synthesizer, you get the general vibe of the soundtrack. I remember watching this as a kid and the soundtrack didn't really stand out. Because why would it? It was the 80s. I was a kid in the 80s and that was just the vibe at the time. Yep.
Speaker 2:Looking back, you're like what in the world is going on?
Speaker 1:Yeah, now that I got a little older and saw other fantasy movies, particularly Lord of the Rings as well, I keep on referring to that because that's quintessential. Of course there were fantasy movies before that, there were fantasy movies after that, but I think we can all say the gold standard, yeah, they really did.
Speaker 2:Rings would be kind of weird with the soundtrack from Run Lola Run under it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, weird with the soundtrack from run lola run under it exactly. Yeah, well, I was actually said. Imagine, lord of the rings if I for the time it came out. Instead of like having, you know, an orchestra soundtrack, had a new metal soundtrack. You know gandalf fixed down the band. Now wrong is lip biscuit plays in the background I was about to say corn does the soundtrack I was.
Speaker 1:I actually did. I was debating whether to put corn or lit biscuit. I went for the worst one, lit biscuit. Yeah, yeah. And here's the thing I they're like I still have a special place mark for lit biscuit. I listen to lit biscuit, but now that I'm like again looking back, I'm like I don't know man, that's not. Why was I so angry? So originally, the score of the movie was composed by a more classical composer called jerry goldsmith. He did the first like the first soundtrack to the movie, or the score he actually scored a bunch of other movies actually, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, he scored a bunch of other movies, such as take a second, I'm gonna list his movies he's done and some of these movies, some before and a lot after this. So he did logan's run, chinatown, the omen, alien, planet of the apes, poltergeist, air force, one la confidential, the mummy secret of nim gremlins, total recall, basic instinct, amulon. So this guy knew what he was doing. Yeah, he did established or a composer almost like the ridley scott of soundtracks.
Speaker 1:Basically he's that level of famous yeah and so did the original score of the movie. And so I've actually seen this kind of movie in the early 2000s when they with the release of a special dvd and to be honest, it really does work a lot better. I mean, it doesn't stand out like lord of the rings soundtrack does. Where you hear a lord of the rings soundtrack, you fucking know. No question. Oh, wow, lord. Yeah, it wasn't like that. It wasn't like oh my god, this is the legend soundtrack. It it was, but it worked, it was good and it felt better to what you're watching. And unfortunately they also butchered the movie. Editing the original runtime was 125 minutes long but it was trending to 113, to quote get rid of the fat.
Speaker 1:Like, oh fine, if people do a lot of time, like there's some info dumps they don't need because they have it somewhere else in the movie. You know like something happens where it's just, you know, it's just not neat. You know, like we got the point that happened, that other scene there, so let's go ahead and just let's trim it, kind of like how, um, was it x-men, my god, days of futures, past? Like you know, rogue was actually in the original movie days of past. But after they watched the movie, they're like, uh, he's not really needed. Yeah, she shows up and there's no information, given that, really, that you don't find out elsewhere in the movie, so they cut her out entirely.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like what it's that little small of a part where the cheesed off fans more than made them happy yeah, so you know they, they got rid of a lot of stuff, yeah, and it's fine, you know I can live with that. But then they cut it down again by another 20 minutes minutes to make a 80 or 95 in a, not for any story reasons, just because the suits wanted a shorter, and that. That kind of editing pisses me, you know they're. They're like there's cutting time just to cut time. Yeah, now this version was actually shown in the theaters in Great Britain. But in good old US of A they cut it down again to make it 89 minutes.
Speaker 1:The reasoning was European audiences are more sophisticated. They could pick up subtleties where an American need to be hit over the head. So, like nuance the europeans, they also got more the classical score of goldsmiths in their original release, while we got tangerine. Basically they saw the same reason. We got sorcerer stone versus a philosopher stone, harry potter. You know like america's done a philosopher stone, that's hard to say make a sorcerer stone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, why, why, why would they do this? Why would they slaughter the runtime and change the score? Well, I'll answer that with. Two little stupid test screenings. Took the they had taken legend to orange county of all places and screened the movie from a bunch of stone. Dumb assholes did like the score or the original. So this they thought the score sucked and they but you know the source sucked, but it worked, like the one they chose with tangerine dream. They want something more modern, so that's where tangerine dream came in and they cut down the runtime. But it wasn't great. It happened. A lot of movies out there have director's cuts because the studio made me call these times out and we think it's bullshit.
Speaker 2:Here it is, and you know arms to another reason they'll cut time off of it, and this is less common, but if they cut enough time off and sometimes you get more showings per day in a theater and thus rank up your box office numbers too- that's entirely possible.
Speaker 1:Like yeah I, I didn't read, like I don't remember off the top of my head if that's a reason by 100% of most likely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not saying it's a reason for this movie, but I've heard it as a reason for other movies.
Speaker 1:Well, I promise you, it's a factor, like just hearing that. Like you're right, I've heard that too. There's not a doubt in my mind. That was the factor when they did this in here. So but in the end, as I mentioned, the end of the movie had princess lily and jack running off together and his woodland friends laugh and say goodbye. First issue jack woodland friends may have forgiven lily for a part of the unicorn attack. They still don't like humans. They didn't want her there and they liked nothing more than all the humans to fuck off. And in the end she still was like. She is still a reason why the whole thing happened in the first place. Like I can't, I can't see. They're like okay, you helped us, you can live, you know. But nope, they're like bye, I'll happily waving they. And plus, they weren't even super thrilled. Jack was hanging around in the first place.
Speaker 1:So again, like I don't know kind of tearing them a new one over that yeah, there's no reasons why they would be suddenly cool with her and happily waving her away.
Speaker 2:Or happy because they're both leaving and they assumed they were never coming back.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, the second issue. Princess Lily is a princess. What the fuck is she going to do with some commoner who lives in the woods? Hell, he probably wouldn't do that great living in a small village, Never mind trying to navigate the minefield of palace politics. Keep in mind this is the Dark.
Speaker 2:Ages. There's a very real possibility being a cage, being the wild boy of the forest or something.
Speaker 1:I mean it's a very real possibility. Jack will be found with a throat slit somewhere in the castle. I mean like, oh daddy, I want to marry this boy who has no lineage of anything ever. And she's like, oh okay, hey, honey, why don't you go take a bath? We'll take care of Jack.
Speaker 2:Oh, he fell down the stairs I was out training with our knights and something horrible happened. Oh my god so like why?
Speaker 1:why he thinks he would be able to do well there. I mean, he might understand, he like he's naive, but she should have known better third, he does have he does have darkness's hand.
Speaker 2:Maybe that'll just be enough to like get him through society, be like, look what I cut off. He's got this like hanging around his neck is like a uh trophy.
Speaker 1:Now the third issue and this is like one of the bigger is like the biggest issue. This dwarfs the other two. Third issue is jack isn't human. He's not like they. They don't explicitly say that like because you're thinking, oh wait, the forest folk didn't like humans, why were they so cool? Jack again, he's not human. He's based on like a wood sprite or something, isn't he right? He's like I said in the beginning, he's Jack of the Green from British folklore and it doesn't matter how much you passionately love the princess, he can't be part of the human world. He is part of the forest and you know what would he do when he gets to the city or the towns or whatever? There's no green. How does he survive Like?
Speaker 2:he is not. We don't even know if they tail year compatible. He might have like some weird three-headed snake thing for a dingus, or he might be like ken. We're just a little yeah. He could just have nothing down there or have a hole of his own. So yeah, yeah again when I researched, active green.
Speaker 1:Like I mentioned earlier, it was just he's just a kid who lives in the woods. He's not a specimen, no powers, but again not human. And so the problem is the reason why the change. It was the teens who didn't like in the original ending he stays, she owes, like, then she walks off at the sunset and he's happily waving with his friends and they're like she's, like, oh, I'll be here tomorrow, basically say she'll, she'll visit again. Okay, fine, fair enough. You know, like the forest friends are probably gonna tolerate her and jack's gonna play with her and stuff, but jack, it doesn't go anywhere because he belongs in the forest, she belongs in the other real world and there will come a time where she won't come back and he'll still be there because that's where he belongs. And that's their original ending of the movie and also it is a very brothers grim ending, you know it's like they're not they don't test.
Speaker 2:Audiences demand the girl and the boy get together at the end. That's, that's what happens. That's exactly what it is. Test audiences are like no dude. The guy has to get the girl in the end, otherwise it's a dumb movie.
Speaker 1:And that's also a perfect imitation, because again 1980s, Orange County stoners.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people like that dirty Tony Hawk and such.
Speaker 1:Right, he might have been in that test audience.
Speaker 2:This might all be Tony Hawk's fault.
Speaker 1:Let's and such right. He might have been in that test audience. This might all be tony hawk's fault. Let's blame tony hawk regardless. Yeah, I'm gonna email him and let him know. So the critics and when this came out the critics were harsh. The rotten tomatoes aggregate is only 42. Positive the average of 5.1 out of 10.
Speaker 1:The metacritic gave it an anemic 30 out of 100 rating based on 11 critics deeming it generally unfavorable. Most critics love the visuals, but love best the story. One popular critique was for the popular author Neil Gaiman, who said glimmers of intelligence. Here and there he said more, but I just cut out of that. Like there was a longer quote. But the shit here and there.
Speaker 2:Intelligence here and there, not enough women to sexually harass? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I had to give it a rating. I'd probably give it a 8 out of 10.
Speaker 2:Like it was not perfect by any, stretch of the imagination, but it was really rating at 73 percent. That's. That's about right on, in line with you yeah, I mean that's fine. You also gotta remember there's a difference between a good movie and an enjoyable movie. There's worlds of difference. There's plenty of movies. I know that are horrible, but I still like them sadly, it didn't do well in the box office either.
Speaker 1:It pulled a 15.5 million in Canada and US and about 8 million elsewhere, for a total of 23.5 million total, and the movie cost 25 million to make. So it was a bomb, but it wasn't the worst bomb so far. I think, yeah, I mean. Well, it was actually number one in the box office for two weeks. It must have been a really anemic, you know, two weeks. Because even when it was around that time, yeah, actually I'm an idiot Because I was going to. I actually tried to look that up early.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I was also going to ask you what was the number one rated movie that year, or?
Speaker 1:what were they saying? Oh, that weekend, it was the weekend that was number one.
Speaker 2:What movie? From 1985 too? Oh, number one back to the future. That is not surprising, oh wow, 85 was one of those really stacked years. You know, every once in a while there's like a really stacked year for big movies. This is one of them.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, like legend wasn't even on the top 191.
Speaker 2:Well, I cautioned possibly be under the 1986 ratings, because I have seen some people say it came out in 1986 top go was the number one topic.
Speaker 1:oh yeah, it's listed as 1986.
Speaker 2:I've seen it pop up in 85 and 86. It must have been on the cusp or something.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at Box Office Mojo. It's number 57 at $15.5 million Came in right behind Arm and Dangerous, featuring John Candy. Damn straight and Raw Deal. Raw Deal is. I like that movie.
Speaker 2:I like that. That was a decent Schwarzenegger movie. That one was kind of weird because, if I recall, there was music constantly playing through that whole movie. There was always a song going in the background.
Speaker 1:And so Legend was number 57. Number 54, howard the Duck, as explained on, hopped Off. Topic Made 300 grand.
Speaker 2:No love for Howard the Duck 300 grand more, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Oh no 2 million more oh and don't forget, above Howard the Duck, number 53 was song of the south re-release, uh, so anyway, back to back to legend. So, but as I said, it's not the worst bomb in history, I think. I think the borderlands now currently has that title, but I'm not sure. Uh even with this 105 say even with this it was number one, the box up office. Two weeks I didn't see what movies it was peeing against, but whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fine we know what it was for the year. So there have been several releases on home video, vhs. Of course. The DVD, the Blu-ray, the limited edition, was released in 2021. That includes both cuts of the movie, including documentaries. I cannot find this physical edition anywhere. I mean, I tried to watch the director's cut streaming because I just wanted to watch the longer version with the orchestra store. I couldn't find it. I could only find the US theatrical version. That's actually on Amazon. You stream it.
Speaker 2:You might have to put on your pirate hat and go sailing the seas for it. Yeah, I just didn't. I mean, I kind of want to own it but Jenny is is like what are you gonna do with it after you watch it?
Speaker 1:then what I'm like yeah, yeah, try to get the kids to watch and have them watch 10 minutes of it with you and be like dad. This is stupid. I mean, it's kind of like when the avengers came out a while back. It's like I want the avengers blu-ray and I got it and that's like in a drawer somewhere that I can't.
Speaker 2:If I, if you, like to know what legend was released the same weekend, or what movie was released the same weekend. Yeah, Murphy's Law. Wise Guys At Close Range, Water, Absolute Beginners and Desert Bloom, of which I don't recognize any of those, Maybe Murphy's Law?
Speaker 1:And that's why Legend was number one, that is exactly why it was number one.
Speaker 2:It's such a shitty box office. That's why I was number one, because it may be shitty box office, but boy that, no, as no one knows. Yeah, um, this murphy's law. I think I recognize it's kind of being like a uh action comedy from back in the day, but yeah, oh, murphy's law. No, it was um with um charles bronson and again it says 1986, like I.
Speaker 1:You know everything on my research all of it's been 1985 and now also I'm looking box office it was like 1986, like be able to release in in europe in 85, in america in 86 I mean, or it could be like it was released in 85 and the final totals oh, that is true also.
Speaker 2:I think the uh financial year for movies ends in like october or something weird, maybe. Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1:Well, always financial stuff, you know it doesn't end like february 1st is first quarter so quarter four ends on december, sorry, january 31st, so anyway, the final thought is I highly recommend anyone listening to this to give the movie a try.
Speaker 1:You know, even if, even if you gotta watch the shitty us theatrical version I don't even want to say shitty, you know, it's still worth a watch, even with the stupid tangerine dream soundtrack. You know, and if nothing else, youtube the darkness scenes. Tim curry really nails the role and it's really worth a few minutes of time to see him in all his evil glory, especially with bill goddamn horns.
Speaker 1:You know, just, you know, just watch the scenes with him and with the horns and give yourself a neck ache yeah, man, just, just, he really really, and the way he monologues and just the way he emotes, it is so I honestly I if it wasn't for him, I would have forgotten this movie, and I think it's true for a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tom tom cruise is fine. Yeah, he did fine. He's tom cruise. He's a good actor. Yeah, I don't like him, but as a person, but I think he did. I think it was fine. And mia farah or she did great. You know, for the role she's doing and she makes you. She I mean sarah, not fair mia sarah. She comes across as innocent but obnoxious and that's kind of how she's supposed to be. You know she's an obnoxious, spoiled princess who doesn't stay in her lane and you know, that's just.
Speaker 2:I don't know Right to the box office legend for numbers, because it was released in the UK in 85 and the United States in 86. Oh there you go? Yep, and that's why the box office performance is usually associated with 1986. So, sean sean, do you think you'll watch it?
Speaker 2:now or actually, yeah, I do kind of want to watch it, to see, and then I can mock it and make fun of it and talk to you about it and stuff. Damn, I'll maybe not even mock and make fun of it, but I do kind of like dig going back and watching 1980s movies. Just see the old special effects that they do and the neat ways they did around things without computers well, I do.
Speaker 1:And uh, before we clock, before we die, I do want at some point to talk about shitty movies. I really want to try to find a way where you and I could like watch madame webb or like commentary over. I'm not sure. If we watch it first, then do it watch it again for commentary, which is probably a smarter way to do it um what do you think?
Speaker 1:I don't know if we tear a movie apart like that? Should we tear a movie like? My fear is, if we watch it the first time through, there'll be times we're just like quietly watching I try to see what's going on and interrupting well, it also look for the funny things to say.
Speaker 1:And then we finally say the funny things, even as a few seconds later we're missing the beat, or yeah, if we watch a, if we watch individually beforehand we can come across better as a tightly scripted thing, I would think, as opposed to being yeah, let's, let's see what that was.
Speaker 1:So I mean, that is something I'd like to do we have to do it next, but I would like to do something I would like to do at some point we could do that or even any other crappy movies like borderland or whatever. Yeah, I was gonna say that, not necessarily metam web, just the first thing that pops my head for shitty movie.
Speaker 2:But I've been well. That's all I got thanks for. That was a good episode, sir yes, thank you for listening people at home or in your car or wherever you're at, and we'll see you next time on off the top. Yay time for our closing song.
