Broke Boyz From Fresno
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Broke Boyz From Fresno
Fresno Roots: How Digital Medication Is Changing Independent Media
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Fresno artist and producer Quisey shares his journey through music production, visual arts, and community activism while discussing the importance of authenticity in creative work. This spontaneous conversation explores the challenges of finding your path when there's no guidebook, the power of maintaining positivity, and the rich artistic heritage of Fresno that often goes unrecognized.
• Digital Medication is Quisey's visual marketing company that creates 50-50 collaborations with independent artists
• Quisey is working on a documentary about Rashad Al-Hakim, a teenager tragically killed by a driver under the influence
• Fresno has a rich but overlooked artistic heritage, particularly in breakdancing and hip-hop culture
• The Electric Boogaloos, pioneering pop-lockers from Fresno, influenced global dance culture and worked with Michael Jackson
• Art Hop evolved from small gatherings to massive community celebrations and represents a crucial platform for local artists
• Mental health struggles are often difficult to discuss in the Black community due to generational attitudes
• Financial literacy remains a significant challenge that isn't adequately addressed in many communities
• Keece recommends reading and self-education as tools for maintaining positivity and perspective
• The first rule for anyone struggling: own your ideas, develop a plan, and never give up
Check out Quisey on ALL platforms @ilovequisey And @digimeds
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Intro Music by Rockstar Turtle- Broke Boyz (999)
Christmas Intro Song by Nico
Welcome back to another episode of the Broke Boys. I'm Martin and today I got my boy, DJ, here helping me host. We have an incredible episode. This collaboration just happened to be spontaneous and it was incredible. Thank you for reaching out, bro. It's a pleasure. So before we go ahead and continue this episode, I would like for you to introduce yourself to everybody listening, bro.
Speaker 2Man, what's up? Broke Boys, look straight up. My name is keece. Real name marquise perkins. That's the government. Uh, I just got the jitters. That's crazy.
Speaker 2He said the government, that's it, that's right but yeah, no, I go by keece man, I love keece on all social media. Um, born and raised in fresno, california, came in the gate in 1988. Year of the Dragon, feel me, and I'm a producer. I'm just an art connoisseur, real activist, you feel me, and just a Fresno native at heart. I might leave every now and then, but the city is home, that's right. That's right, that's right. Man, five five nine stand up. That's right, that's right, man.
Speaker 15-5-9, stand up, that's right. Yeah, man. So tell me a little bit more about the projects that you've done. I know right now you have this big project, this big documentary. You're talking about the whole 5-5-9, the inside the real Fresno.
Speaker 2Okay, yeah, man, as far as projects I had going on right now right now we just dropped the movie Clip City. It's on YouTube right now on a digital medication. Youtube is one word. Digital medication is my visual marketing company Okay, my visual marketing company is also. It's like a media agency for independent artists is also a media agency for independent artists, and our business module is that we try to outsource independent talent and do a 50-50 collaboration with them where at the end of the agreement we give them, uh, gratuitous five percent. That way they own a majority of the content. So at any time, if they ever want to pull it or discontinue, you know, right that that relationship they have that. So we're not, it's non-exclusive agreements. Basically, right, right, gotcha, and that's that's digital medication. One where, uh, we found tno trust no other music group. That was our last successful venture. Uh, basically, it was under the umbrella and they had already had some stuff going, but we just kind of, like you know, shaped them and formed them into the, the entity that everybody know him as today.
Speaker 2Right, right, right Um shout out shout out yeah, straight up.
Speaker 3Shout out to TNO.
Speaker 2And, um, also, we had, we had a few successful uh like viral series. It was one my sweet 16 bars. This one was really famous. Uh, it One, my Sweet 16 Bars. This one was really famous. It was a lot of up-and-coming artists who are now OGs, like rappers, particularly that was featured on this series, and we used to go to every neighborhood that was willing to invite us or have us in and we would just film 16 bars. Some people did more, Heck yeah.
Speaker 2And we would let them spit that shit raw go home, throw our logo up and upload it, and that's that was my introduction to viral content. That was in 2000 2010 it was a while back, but before that I did a lot of um. I did a lot of production for artists in dallas. That's where I've been at for the past probably about 10, 15 years. Okay, back and forth, of course, but really just out there you know what I mean Trying to develop my portfolio and establish myself as a contributing artist. Right now, we got another project that I'm just going to get into it. I ain't told nobody about this. Right now, we got another project that I'm just going to get into it. I ain't told nobody about this, but this one is exclusive exclusive. Okay, it's big. This shit about to bring tears to my eyes.
Speaker 3Okay this is going to happen.
Speaker 2But, as y'all know, fresno has been going under a very civil injustice scrutinization with the brutally slain teenager Rashad Al-Hakim. He was the little kid who was riding his bike home from Hoover High School. He got ran over by Lisa Spores, wow and they sentenced her to five years. She was under the influence, she had prior DUIs for the same substance and that was my homie's son. I grew up with him and he died on my birthday. I'm so sorry to hear that. Yeah, man, so big, big condolences to them. But we just greenlit the project and that's my next documentary and it's basically just showcasing a light on him and who he was to the community more or less than the whole outcome of the situation. We're not trying to highlight the tragedy, the community more or less than the whole outcome of the situation, because we're not trying to highlight the tragedy, right, we just want to show people what people what he meant to his friends and his family and stuff like that.
Speaker 2But, yeah, shout out to the shot, little bud, he? Um, that's my partner just chilling with him last week, exactly a week ago, and he gave me the okay on the project. So that's that's. That's big. And also, if you watch the clip city movie and the opening credits, you see that new segment. It's a, it's a whole almost two minutes, the whole situation in my movie. Because I felt just so compelled to highlight that, yeah, being from the city and obviously it's my birthday, that had nothing to really do with it, but it just hit a little differently.
Speaker 3Yeah, the impact's a little bit more intense, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah that hits home. That hits home bro.
Speaker 3Yeah, it's supposed to be a day of like celebration. It's like, all right, hey, it's my birthday, let's do something, let's have some fun, and then you receive that kind of news you would feel, man, yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 1Oh, that's tough, man, I'm sorry to hear that, bro, it's all good, but I'm sorry, no, no, no, my bad, bro, I didn't mean to interrupt. No, he's straight, he's right, go ahead, uh, but whatever, whatever that you guys need any help or anything to push, but I want to say for sure that broke boys got you guys back in anything that you guys need. Um, so utilize whatever tools that I got. I'm 100, it's the perfect start, right, you?
Speaker 2just broke it.
Speaker 1Yeah, right here.
Speaker 2So I'm happy y'all here. Like I said, it's a pleasure. I just want to do justice and help bring a resource to y'all. You feel me, I'm good at a lot of stuff when y'all. Y'all will find that out in time.
Speaker 3Oh, I'm already knowing just from the short talks that we've had just meeting you for the first time, like I can, tell straight up.
Speaker 2Appreciate that, man. Yeah, that's something I pride myself on and I'm not a prideful person, but at the end of the day, I gotta sleep. I gotta go to sleep. I can't lay down and be worried about who I pissed off or who looking for me and you know what I mean I like to sleep comfortably you feel me. So that's part of it knowing I did the right thing or did the best I could every day. Yeah, that just helped me get my z's right. You feel me?
Speaker 3that's, that's how you prevent from regretting what you live. You know what I'm saying yes, sir.
Speaker 2So as far as projects, that's what that is. Uh, man, um, what was the? Was the extensive that question?
Speaker 1um, well, I asked about other projects and other stuff that you've done, but another question that I have is what made you get into being in into this whole thing? Um, how'd you start off?
Speaker 2okay. So originally it chose me, um and I'm going through a like self-realization of that as well where, um, I'm with the movie again. It's gonna a lot of this conversation gonna kind of go back to that, because there's a lot of therapy in there uh where my mom then was filming us. When I was little ever since I was two years old, I've been in front of a camera, yeah, and I just didn't understand it. I didn't like it. I was little. Ever since I was two years old I've been in front of a camera I just didn't understand it, I didn't like it. I was just like you know how little kids is they shy.
Speaker 2Some are very reclusive. Rob Markman Jr.
Speaker 1Mom get that camera out of my face. Come on, man.
Digital Medication & Visual Marketing
Speaker 2Rob Markman Jr. Excuse me, but in between that and then obviously, pop culture, music videos, cinema movies, cartoons, comic books, xyz Kind of understanding storytelling and how interested I was in that whole concept of art Wow, you know. And then actually been able to produce at a young age you know, I'm the AOL generation like before YouTube you feel me Dial up internet and downloading pirated music and software Line wire Line, wire Straight up.
Speaker 2So you know, you know Programs. It wasn't that many programs, it wasn't a lot of software. And early 2000s my big cousin came and brung me Fruity Loops, fl Studios, and this is when it was shunned upon to talk about. If you talked about FL Studios you was laughed at. It was a joke. They're like man, that shit ain't no real music making program, like that's some bootleg. But it did everything.
Speaker 3It did everything it do today.
Speaker 2And I was upon that first generation FL Studios 3 and 4, and just learning how to actually manipulate the interface and just being fascinated with the variations, the different music genres and just being able to really make music you feel me Like on a digital surface. I was a part of that generation. So I just remember asking myself and we talked about this off camera, but that was that, the, I think like 2002, 2004. Mac dre was popping here in the in the valley, obviously in california. Rest in peace. And also kanye west had just came to fresno for the Fresno Uncensored movie, but he was at FTK on Blackstone. He was doing a promo run for a rapper named Diego Red. If I ain't mistaken, diego Red was the first West Coast artist to be signed to Def Jam, oh shit. And Kanye West was a nobody and he was endorsing Diego Red oh shit.
Speaker 1If.
Speaker 2I ain't mistaken, I'm telling this story, right? That's crazy. That's crazy. So, everybody, all the OGs who know Fresno Uncensored by heart, they know Kanye West is in this movie. It was a big thing, the whole parking lot. If you go watch it on YouTube, the whole parking lot full. I ain't going to say he was a nobody, but compared to who he is now, he wasn't that guy to who he is now.
Speaker 2He wasn't that guy. You feel me and watching that and seeing my big homies. When I say big homies I just mean people in my neighborhood. I don't necessarily mean I was affiliated.
Speaker 3You feel me.
Speaker 2It's just people I've seen every day you feel me that was older than me that was on this movie, Right, and you know, holding it down for the community, Seeing them was just inspiration. Like yo, I want to get on TV, I want to get on the internet or whatever DVDs, whatever it was at that time, and that was a big inspiration. And on top of that music, and they had the soundtrack and it featured a lot of the local artists. And at that same time I was, you know, familiarizing myself with the program known as fl studios and I just wanted to know how to make money from this time right, you know and um, I remember vividly asking myself like how do you, how do you be something that you don't know?
Speaker 2like how like, yeah, where you know what I mean? That question, brother. Let me tell you about that. How do you be something that you don't know? Like, how, like, where you know what I mean?
Speaker 3That question, brother, let me tell you about that question. That question hit home. You know how many times I've had to ask myself that how do you? And this goes along to another thing that I was going to bring up as well. It's like there's no guideline, there's no oh no, there's no instructions on how to do a certain thing. And now, day and age, maybe. Right, right, right, you might be able to ask okay, what steps do I have to take to get?
Speaker 1my real estate license A few guidelines examples yeah.
Speaker 3Back then you didn't have that Right. So to be at the very ground level of something so huge that you don't even know what's going to be as big as it is in the future, how do you know how to become that? You have to look at the people who are maybe coming up, but even then they're not making it yet. Yeah, come on. So you got to originally come up with something.
Speaker 2You've never done before.
Speaker 3Come on. Take the heat of the controversy of like, oh, you shouldn't do that, that's what you know I'm saying and then being judged? Can you take the constructive criticism and can you continuously produce the creativity that the world is looking for?
Speaker 2like that isn't that question is amazing and that's that's the fulfillment, right, and I feel like we still asking that question. You know what I mean? We still trying to figure it out. And I guess, now that I have experience one of my I guess something I like to say is that I remember when I didn't know how to, I didn't know what I wanted to be. I remember when I didn't know what I wanted to be. Now I know exactly how to do it, and that just comes from experience.
Speaker 2But how long did it take to find it Every day? Yeah. Every day. That's how long it take Every day. How'd you stay motivated during?
Speaker 1that whole thing Tears.
Speaker 2Pain. You ever stubbed your toe on something. Yeah, as a little kid, mm-hmm. And when you stubbed your toe, you kind of like want the world to end or stop for you.
Speaker 1Yeah, you kind of beat the shit out of the chairs.
Speaker 2And you'd be like wasting time on this, on this one moment.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish I didn't go through this man. Why did I you?
Speaker 2asking all these crazy questions. But that shit still happened, yeah, and you still got shit to do, mm-hmm. And when you get older and you start getting more responsibilities and priorities and experience, you realize that the faster you get past this, the faster you can get to where you want to go. So you stub your toe over and over and over and now it hurt the same, but it don't stop you as much. That's why I say pain and all that stuff.
Speaker 2So just going through the emotions, bro, of not knowing and people closing doors on my face or me just not being educated enough or whatever it was that wasn't enough to say you can't learn it or you don't want to learn it, right, you know what I mean and that was the motivation. Just knowing that I wanted to do something, I'm just like all right, well, I might not got it on this uh opportunity, but if I stay active you know what I mean hopefully it'll present itself. And now I had enough experience to ask another question that's further into you know the experience of learning it and things like that. And then, when you actually get the opportunity and you find fulfillment because you might not successfully get every question right, but you know, you got that one right. Right, you feel me Right, so you know you're progressing. Come on.
Speaker 3Exactly.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's kind of like when you get in a fist fight. Have you ever been in a fist fight the first time, your first, first real fist fight? You don't know what you're doing. I mean unless you have really some type of person showing you, but you don't really know what the experience is. You're going based off of all the adrenaline Come on and then, as you keep fighting, you realize like all right, I need to just hold my hands up.
Speaker 2I need to watch what he's doing I need to do this and it becomes more familiar. Yeah, and that's pretty much the fight that you got to deal with. The strategy of it all yeah, the strategy of production, straight up.
Speaker 3I got a genuine question. So then this is just me analyzing a lot of different things. You're a very positive-minded person. Have you always been this way? Or did you ever have to stop and realize and be like man I'm just too negative or be like man I'm thinking too much like a pessimist? I need to change this. Did you ever have a moment where you were just like? No, I got to change this mindset. I can't continue to be like this.
Speaker 2I think I had a moment and it wasn't pertaining to art or production. Okay, I used to frown a lot and I was was just like negative. I guess I ain't been negative in that way in so long, but I do remember the you know the instance of what happened. And it was crazy because I was just like me and my mom. You know, we have a very peculiar relationship. She's a single parent and she has four kids and I'm a middle child.
Speaker 2So I always felt like I was overlooked, yeah, once the babies came along and stuff like that. So I just had this little, you know, negative vibe like, yeah, so what attitude? I'm gonna do what I want to like poor me. And uh, one time my grandma she seen it and I guess my mom had told her and as soon as she seen me, she slapped me in the face. My grandma slapped me in the face and told me your mom told me that you, being negative like you, better stop frowning so much. And I kid you not.
Speaker 2After that, I just you, not after that, I just kind of just like. I don't know what came over me. It just like I was able to just kind of realize like ain't nobody going to give me shit and I was just like all right, like I got to start enduring all these obstacles and challenges. I got to be able to endure this because it ain't never stopped. It's been here before, right you know, before I got to this negative state because as a kid, you don't really understand negativity, exactly. Yeah, I don't know what poverty is yeah racism you're just living in the moment.
The Documentary on Rashad Al-Hakim
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah so after that I just remember like kind of like adjusting my attitude, kind of taking more responsibility and accountability for my actions, and then I noticed that I started becoming a little bit more popular, okay, and my influence started to go up. So then I kind of like just ran with it. That's a good question. I'm having like dramatic flashbacks with it. That's a good question, cause.
Speaker 2I, I, I'm having like dramatic flashback but, it's for the better, but I'll finish that question and say um yeah the negativity. Um, I guess I'm positive now because I'm very secure with my own abilities.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2I know what I'm good at. Like, everybody is not a doctor, everybody in a basketball player. Everybody ain't a rapper, right. Everybody not a podcaster, right. Yeah, but it's some things that I do exceptionally well and when people tell me from a genuine standpoint, like they can grasp the concept and they don't know me of what I was trying to articulate, that always let me know that I was on something. Right, you feel me? There's an acknowledgement? Yeah okay I'll say this last one, skateboarding I love skateboarding.
Speaker 2I got scars and all kinds of crazy stories for that, but I always got hurt easy. Even in sports Somebody like football. I'm good, I can catch anything you can throw, but if I try to tackle somebody, I tackle them and I get hurt. And I'll be like what the heck like instantly I knew I'm not a football player but I still love the sport. You feel me.
Speaker 2But to say that to say is me being comfortable in my abilities kind of helped strengthen my positivity and what I know. You know what I mean you didn't take it negatively.
Speaker 3You didn't take the fact that you know getting hurt in the sport stopping you from doing it. You didn't take it like man, I wish I could play. Yeah, I just knew it wasn't for me.
Speaker 2I was like I could find something else to be good at, Exactly yeah you were content with it.
Speaker 3You didn't throw a fit. That's what it's about. Yeah, that's how you know. You've progressed bro.
Speaker 2I appreciate that brother, yeah, absolutely yeah. Um, I definitely felt that question as well.
Speaker 3I'm like man, this is getting better and better, so well, I mainly asked that question because I'm like I again, I analyzed it from the start, but at the same time, it's like it's hard coming across people who have a genuine positive attitude, right, yes, and as an adult, it becomes harder to be able to move on with a positive mindset.
Speaker 3I can go to work tomorrow and my co-workers is having a bad day and it's rubbing off on everybody, right? Sometimes some people just have that attitude where it's just like bro, how do you do it? Every time I see you know you're you're, you're confident, you're doing your thing. You're not letting the minuscule stuff stop you, even if it's something big that's impacting you. You're not letting it stop you from reaching your goals and you're not letting it ruin your day. It takes a lot. It takes a lot Read more books.
Speaker 2Yes, trust me, there's so many experiences that you ain't had yet that you can learn from before you encounter just by reading a book. Not a movie, not a podcast, not a TV show, not a video game a book. I'm going to say that to segue this Earl Nightingale old entrepreneur, napoleon Hill I think I want to say napoleon hill, then earl nightingale, but his voice is is distinct. As soon as you hear his voice, it sound like a million dollars. If you ever heard money, it's his voice. Okay, I'm serious.
Speaker 2And he got so many self-help books that help you understand the psychology of being positive and I'll say you can listen to them in audiobooks. That's just as good. Reading is good too, because it gives you your own idea of how things sound and your own visualization. But he said his one book I worked at this very negative plant and it was for airplane parts and um, I'm talking about it just seemed racist, it just seemed very negative. And uh, I used to listen to him every morning, every morning on my way to work, and he used to have this thing where he would say one positive person could influence a plant of a thousand people. He said, but you got to be positive every day, regardless, and your positive energy will rub off on one person, and then that person will rub off on one person.
Speaker 2Them people will rub off on two people, them four. People will rub off on eight people, them four people will rub off on eight people. It's a domino effect Come on and I kid you not, I had to walk to the back. I worked in receiving, I worked in logistics you feel me. Receiving and shipping all the parts and stuff.
Speaker 2So I was in the back in the warehouse and as I would walk back I'd be like good morning. And people would be like how's it going? And then every day, at least one more person would be like good morning. It's to the point where I would just walk and I wouldn't say nothing. They'd be like good morning and I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So them type of experiences, man, that, like I said, the positivity is it's in books.
Speaker 3It's in a lot of books, so read more kids. Heck yeah, heck yeah. And that's what I feel like a lot of people don't do nowadays. Bro, I'll admit it, I don't listen.
Speaker 1Hey, bro, like I'm sorry, like public system kind of failed me. Yeah, I can't read.
Speaker 2I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. Audio books too, man, I'm telling you, it's so much game.
Speaker 1My ADHD is kind of hard, though Like. I squirrel. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3And I definitely feel like again being born and raised in a generation where everything's accessible and our attention span is so short because of things like Vine TikTok being established in our day and age and our everyday access. It's like I can't even blame kids for not sitting down and reading through a full book. You know, I'm saying even the. I know and I don't know the real statistics on this, but I can guarantee you a lot of people that are graduating high school right now probably don't got a good grade reading level. Yeah, I can guarantee that.
Speaker 2Oh wow there's probably a few of them, but I'm just saying, like the education system but it was designed to fail and we can get into that in a segue if we go through the questions, we can come back to that, or we'll just get into it, however.
Speaker 3Yeah, but um thank you for redirecting it.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, for sure yeah, I don't want to go over, but, um, yeah, a lot of that is. It was designed to fail the whole system. That's why it's crashing now and we'll get into that. But yeah, man, just positivity is just about just an understanding of who you are and accepting that, being accountable and responsible with your energy, not just throwing your weight on other people and expecting other people to understand everything, and it's. It's just uh, it's something that's learned. Yeah, you gotta learn it.
Speaker 1Yeah and it definitely sounds like you learned, you mastered it.
Speaker 2Seeing the vibe, seeing like just the aura that you give off, bro, it sounds like you just, and I'm big on empowerment, right, because the fact that y'all could comprehend and articulate let me know that you're going to get it, because that's how everything work. Like energies, agree. They have to agree before they can even like correlate yeah they have to agree, like you have to be able to identify with it, to go that way Like some people over there doing drugs and smoking crack.
Speaker 2you're not going to just go smoke crack, unless you're a crack smoker. Yeah, yeah, your energy got to go over there Like don't be smoking crack behind me. Straight up. But yeah, man, I work on it every day. You know I have my days, but even in them times I'll try to just just self-analyze and just like is this gonna cost me something in the future? Right you know, what I mean and I don't, I don't, I don't have a problem admitting that I'm wrong. That's, that's. That's the part of accountability.
Speaker 1Yes, right that's a big thing too, and I feel like a lot of people can lack on it. Sometimes. I do lack on it. I ain ain't going to lie to you.
Speaker 2We all do brother, especially as men we do it's part of us.
Speaker 3We are bravado creatures.
Speaker 2We're very like me, or no way.
Speaker 2It's part of survival. The first rule of survival is self-preservation. So if you feel, like you, right, you're going to do what you think is right, absolutely, it ain't nothing wrong. But if you're wrong and you want to keep living, you want to do it right. So that's where the accountability and the responsibility of holding yourself accountable comes in. Because you want to get further. It ain't the son you want to be like. You got to stay in your place. It's like nah, I gotta let you know that I'm trying to empower you to become more.
Speaker 2And I guess another thing too is just um, about the gatekeeping. I want to see people go further than me. Right, I am, I'm, I'm cool. Like I said, I'm gonna say big on who I am. I'm cool on not making it as long as one of my partners make it, or somebody can say, hey, I won this Grammy and I met this one person and he inspired me. Thanks to him, that's it. If I don't make it and somebody shout me out like that, I made it. Yeah, that's real bro. So, especially for my city, fresno, it's a very challenging place, yes and uh, it's so much talent and you don't know until you leave, you don't, you don't understand the level which we compete. Fresno has a lot of artistic uh just a lot.
Speaker 2Foundation, almost. Yeah, we have a big artistic foundation. If not, it's the biggest. It's the biggest in California, first off. And if California is the biggest influential place on the world, then what did I tell you? You know what I mean.
Speaker 2We, we grow things on purpose here. Our, our, our dirt is I forget how much percentage, I'm not gonna say, but it's gold, it's real gold in our dirt. You ever heard of fool's gold and all that stuff that come from gold come from that mineral, that au mineral. Yeah, so gold is the number one mineral on the damn market. So we play in the dirt, we come from the dirt. You feel me? So what did I tell you about our existence? It's deep when you really get into it.
Fresno's Artistic Foundation & Talent
Speaker 2But the art, art is creation and god first. Nature is to create and we're creators and we're creative. What did I tell you? Yeah, we're gonna be high. Yeah, we're gonna be high. Yeah, so we have a very competitive attitude. Fresno, artists and athletes are so competitive. They compete hard against each other and never take it out of this mud. They just it die here, stay here. You know, it's born here and it die here, and that's not good, because we don't have the resources and we don't have the platforms to showcase this stuff, which we do now. We have more now than we used to. You know what I mean, and I think that's what we're getting with the podcast and the media outlets and the you know um influencers and all the things we're seeing happen today, but uh, yeah it's, it's big and um, I don't. I think we don't really leave enough to be able to experience the capacity of which our performance, right is, is measured no, for real man.
Speaker 1And like I, I was telling dj this a while back is I was so surprised seeing how much content creators were in fresno, how much influencers are in fresno and just like how famous people are here too and they come and just the networking is just insane. It's a different level. And I told him at the time because we were literally me and dj we have like little sit downsdowns and just reflecting about old times and I was just like man, it feels like you unlock a new level Come on.
Speaker 1Because I'm here doing this podcast and for me I felt like fuck, broke Boys went worldwide. I don't got nothing worth to worry about Broke Boys is already ranked as the number one podcast in the Central Valley. Let's go.
Speaker 3I did it Before you even felt like you were there, exactly like you were just you. You was on your grind like what's the next episode I gotta do? And you check the stats and you're like wait a minute.
Speaker 4Yeah, we number one hold on hold on hold on, like how do we make it this quick bro yes
Speaker 3yes, sir, it was a victory. That's what it was, it it? There's no right or wrong time For a victory bro.
Speaker 2And that just telling you Solidify. Solidify your platform, brother, if you already number one, you barely started. Stay number one At this point, right, keep doing what you're doing, yeah.
Speaker 1If it ain't broken, no victory. It ain't really broke, boys, that's just the name.
Speaker 2It's just broke boy Straight up, that's just the name it's just Rope Boy Straight up. That's right. I just found out Aiden Ross is from the Central Valley, right. That's blowing my mind Right, I had no idea until he just announced it and he keeps saying 559. I think it's a little city outside of Fresno.
Speaker 3Yeah, it wasn't Fresno, I forgot, it was Woodlake. Right, woodlake, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1Woodlake's headed towards Porterville, I think.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah, I remember it was somewhere near there. It's still in Central Valley, right right, but it's not Fresno.
Speaker 2But he's definitely repping, yeah, and he know what that mean. And for him to be an influencer and be chilling with Drake and everybody else, it's not an accident. You feel me? You don't know what they drawing from him, right, because he's not there for no reason. So, yeah, if you number one, brother man, we need to pop a bottle Straight up.
Speaker 1Cheers for everybody that's listening, bro, for sure, absolutely, because without them, bro, I wouldn't be here. Cheers, brother.
Speaker 3Celebrate your victories, celebrate the victories Always. Celebrate the little wins, the big wins, all of it. Every step matters, every step matters.
Speaker 1Yes, sir, yeah. Well, jumping into the community, I got a question that I wanted to ask what part of Fresno's history is the most people outside the area don't know what that should Breakdancing.
Speaker 2Outside the area don't know what that should break dancing. I feel like the most important piece of art literature here in the city is the hip-hop community. Right, because hip-hop is the number one moving influence on the face of the planet right now and it's not slowing down, it's ruining this shit. Everybody want to be a rapper. Yeah, it's, it's. If we did it right, it'd be cool. But obviously the money and all that stuff got involved. But we're not gonna get into that. Yeah, but the, the art. Uh, most important art piece here I would say is the, the history of the hip-hop.
Speaker 2Because one thing people don't know hip-hop is not just rapping, hip-hop is a collective of expressions. It was graffiti, it was break the b-boying, you feel me. It was the fashion, it was the music, the parties, it was the DJs, it was the slang, the way you talk. Then the rappers was last. That was the last thing that was implemented into hip-hop society. Was the rapper? It wasn't no rappers, it was mcs. Yo, yo, check, mic, check, one, two when the place to be, yo, everybody, put your hands up, that's what it?
Speaker 2was, but they just saying that over the music to keep the energy at a consistent high, because obviously you know this song, right, that's too familiar. Now if I get on this mic and start telling you, hey, do this, do the left step, do the right step, it just make you, oh, let's do it together. Yeah, that's what the mc was, okay. And then if you look at brooklyn and, uh, the bronx, excuse me, uh, new york and their influence on how they broke hip hop, how they created it and then how they broke it and I don't mean broke in a sense of like, heard it, it's just how they pushed it into the community. Right, it was a party and it was all ethnicities, it wasn't just black people yeah, I mean there's mexicans, latins, irish, whoever was in the community.
Speaker 2that was down with the culture. Really, yeah, it's big and that automatically brung different flavor because you might be doing something. They might bring something that they do in their household to the party. Right, they might wear Adidas Kangol hats and you don't know until you see like oh, he got that on, he bussing you feel me. And then the language bussing, like you say words and then like we don't say these words in our side of the world but it flow with the. You feel me, yeah, yeah. So a lot of that.
Speaker 2Back to what I was about to say about how is rich out here, the dancing, pop locking, uh, break dancing was definitely, I feel, like new york. I want to say that was a new york thing. But the pop locking, just like and just bringing that and the robot and all that stuff is a fresno innovation. And then, if you know about the electric Boogaloos, how they was featured on American Bandstand and Soul Train and all these different iconic television shows back in the 70s and in the 80s that was in people's homes all over the world, them niggas was from Fresno. Wow, you feel me. Yeah, boogaloo Sam lived next door to TNO Marlon, marlon the Villain. Yeah, wow, they lived next door. They all live on Sampson Really. Yeah, westside Fresno. To this day.
Speaker 2That's crazy.
Speaker 1That's insane, bro. I'm serious.
Speaker 2I'm not making none of this up what I'm not making none of this up, and A lot of them, people. They worked with Some of the biggest Artists in the world, including Michael Jackson, you feel me. So those stories are important Because we know Michael Jackson and we just credit him For everything Like he was the Idea and the creator, but he know. He know Like he was the idea and the creator, but he know the truth. Yeah, obviously there's money in the politics and stuff like that, so they play the game that way, but the truth is the truth.
Speaker 2Yeah, you know what I mean and when you know the history, it kind of inspires you or help you move a little different. You feel me and have a little more pride about where you from. Yeah, ie, fresno. Yeah, man, also let me say this we got some of the dopest graffiti artists, man.
Speaker 1Oh, the murals and the graffiti here is insane wait, I don't know if you just saw the mural that they just painted in downtown about. Look, I'll show you to you. They play. They just finished painting it. They posted it in downtown Fresno for the whole immigration reform. No way I reposted it on my story because I loved it.
Speaker 2I think I've seen it. I probably I've seen it. Oh yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, I did see this.
Speaker 1And they had a whole thing. I wish I didn't have to go to work bro.
Speaker 3I would have pulled up for sure, wow.
Speaker 2That's huge and there's so many of them all throughout the city.
Speaker 3There's so much art, bro, and that's why I feel like it was such an impact when Art Hop had first got shut down, and that's why everybody was having such an outrage about it. It's like, bro, let people express who they are. Right, the talent is within the art, the talent is within the town and the only place we really had to be able to come out and express them ourselves or let these people express themselves.
Speaker 2it's like the fact that we got an art hop in so many other cities in the world they just got an art day right, right.
Speaker 3There's pop-up events in like farmers markets, but ain't no art art and it's packed out come on every single time.
Speaker 1And it's just a nice area too.
Speaker 3Right then, and there they fix it all down full timber and it goes to show how far we've come in just a community right to be able to appreciate all cultures, all art forms. I mean, bro, when, when art hop was a thing, when I first went to art hop. I'm going through, I'm like, oh, I don't know what this is about. Like I'm thinking it's just beer pubs, whatever right, I go over there and I'm like, bro, what's hella?
Speaker 3people here, yes. And then I start seeing the lowriders come through and I'm like, wait a minute, now hold up. This is right, right, it felt like something out of a movie, but then it gets a little bit deeper, because it's just like this is not only cultural appreciation for what's going on here, but it's also like people have a place to be able to express their themselves and they have a place to come and be like listen, if you guys fuck with me, this is my artwork. There's talent within this town and people can show that. There's not many places where people can show that talent. You know how much hidden talent just goes unknown in all these towns, come on.
Speaker 2Come on.
Speaker 3It's so sad, especially in a town where we got half a million population.
Speaker 2The greatest artists come from small towns, yeah, yeah, yes, the biggest innovators come from situations where they ain't got nothing but to make something happen.
Speaker 2And then the whole world be astounded by their performance, right. So that's big, the fact that you just brought up Art Hop and in that question, that's probably the biggest thing about this city. I've been to the first art hop and I literally just went to the last one, right, and I would say the first one. It was in, like it was on. Uh, it was like in tower. It was damn near off a tower and it wasn't nobody there, it was more people in tower just off of being in tower, right, yeah, and we went to the art hop house the people who named it art hop and all that. We was just walking around meeting them. They and they're drinking wine and eating cheese and crackers and stuff like super sophisticated white people and we're looking like this is almost looking at all the charcuterie boards like like for real
Speaker 3these aren't even ritz crackers.
Speaker 2Come on what for real gourmet? And uh, me and my cousins just like we're walking through and we're all acting boozy, trying to talk proper and stuff.
Speaker 1Pinkies up Right, distinguished, distinguished, distinguished.
Positivity, Mental Health & Self-Growth
Speaker 2And I remember when the day they did the Fulton Street opening and they had Cha-Chansey and they had Keisha and them singing down there and it was so many people I was. That was the um, the weekend I moved back. That was right before we started tno, that was the weekend I think moved back from atlanta and I had never seen fresno like that, other than the fresno fair, right, yeah, and um, that, right there. Let me know that this city is bigger than what they pretended to be. Yes, and just seeing everybody have a good time, all the taco trucks and the little vendors and just the little business, is what I want to say.
Speaker 1And supporting each other.
Speaker 2Yeah, let me know what was going on inside of the community. They don't show it. Obviously they show it on the news Somebody got shot, somebody got robbed, that's all you see, come on. But it's so much more going on. There's so much more beauty to.
Speaker 1Fresno.
Speaker 2Because of the art it's a design district. The whole city is a design district, literally, so art hop is probably the biggest thing. I'll take the hip hop and all that back. Art hop is very, very important, that's crazy Almost man, this dude right here, keep him around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, do it around he know, he know it's your dog.
Speaker 1Yeah, hell, yeah, he knows. Yeah, that was a good answer, bro, fuck yeah, yeah, hell yeah, he knows.
Speaker 3Yeah, that was a good answer, bro. Fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got a question on my own. So, in regards to artwork and pretty much trying to stay focused on your own projects and things of that sort, what made you confirm like this is what I want, this is exactly what I want to be like, this is the sound that I want, this is the artwork I want to produce. Like, what made you do that? And, if this kind of makes the question a little bit easier, who inspired you the most for the artwork that you produced?
Speaker 2Man, it's a lot. I was inspired by all the greats man, starting with michael jackson okay, okay, absolutely uh, absolutely seeing michael jackson in 91, 90.
Speaker 2I'm y'all was born in 88, but I didn't really start understanding visuals until like 90, so two years in the game probably by the time I was two or three and just wondering how the hell was this nigga the only person performing at this level? Like it's only one of him yeah, it's only one michael jackson in the whole world. I was able to kind of like comprehend that. Like what make this dude? Why is everybody all the girls crying? And fangin' and screaming, and one person.
Speaker 1Yeah, literally Come on man.
Speaker 2Then you get the. As you get older you realize he been doing this since he was five years old and that blow your mind because you just introduced to him at an elite level. He always been elite. He always had them girls crying and screaming and getting chased out of the buildings. You know what I mean. So as far as that, it had to be Mike man. And then of course, all the Mikes, Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson, Right, you know. And then a lot of the artists.
Speaker 2Once I started learning like superheroes Stan Lee, Stan Lee, brain, I watch, I just I mean I watch Marvel, probably every time something drop. I see X-Men right here. I see Deadpool, right here. I had a Deadpool hoodie on today. I got the Deadpool and Wolverine hoodie. I just had that on today. I got the Deadpool and Wolverine hoodie. I just had that on today. Stan Lee, bro. For him to be able to make all these damn characters when people was laughing at him and he was working for Disney and all these other people, and to reshape film and just art on so many different levels, from cartoon to comic books to action figures, just design.
Speaker 2That's all designed to me you feel me yeah, and being able to say this is stan lee, stan lee and he the same person when you see him every single time, yeah, right, how was you able to understand who you were? You, you know what I mean. When did it click for him, right? That's, you know the question you're asking me. So, being able to be inspired by people like that, so obviously that generation like the 90s, obviously a lot of film Like I don't really want to get into directors because it's so many good film out there- but, obviously you know the most iconic ones that everybody grew up watching, whatever those are, those was always inspirational and made me want to lock in.
Speaker 2But if I had to pick three people that just really changed the way I felt about art and just made me want to lock in and create something. Obviously michael jackson, second stan lee and then the third I didn't notice until kind of recently and understanding what he contributed to the entertainment industry is uh, I would say uh Quincy Jones. Hmm, Wow, and just yeah rest in peace.
Speaker 2And uh, I mean everybody, everybody do something dirty. Everybody ain't nobody perfect, I mean, but as far as what he contributed and like him and Frank Sinatra was best friends. Him and Ray Charles was like him and Frank Sinatra was best friends. Him and Ray Charles was best friends. Frank Sinatra is a god you feel me like. Feel me like a mob god. You feel me like. He got real mug shots, legendary mug shots you feel me.
Speaker 2He was a white man but got treated like a god. You feel me like in every community. So, saying that, to say that Quincy Jones, and just knowing where he contributed to the, to the entertainment game, uh, sonically, visually and um, yeah, I think those three people, if I had to name three people that really carried an influence on my life, it would be them.
Speaker 1Hell yeah.
Speaker 2Straight up.
Speaker 4That is amazing. Yeah, on my life at a medium Hell yeah.
Speaker 2Straight up. That is amazing, yeah, and seeing what they did just made me want to try something. Yeah.
Speaker 3I love those answers because it's like, within those three answers you can kind of see the type of creation you would come up with. Yes, that type of inspiration, right, yeah. And it makes me wonder, like, what is the younger generation's inspiration? I mean, content creation is a big one, right with watching people Like I can only imagine being like five, six years old watching Aiden Ross and being like, oh, I want to be a streamer, I want to do what he's doing, or I want to be like Kyson At. And it's like Is that as? Is that as high as the talent gets now? Is that as high as the inspiration gets now? What is inspirational to a newer generational or to a new generation?
Speaker 1And it makes you just really think that's crazy because, like you see it as like, we grew up watching certain players.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 1We're at the era where LeBron James I'm pretty sure you guys know- LeBron James. It's already close to his end. Stephen Curry is almost out as well in the NBA, and it's just like who do you look up to?
Speaker 2next, who's the?
Speaker 1next gen of those players, whether it's all the rookies that are coming in or the leftover all-stars, but I think there's always going to be somebody to look up to In that generation.
Speaker 2It's very critical that you say that because we're at the end of a generation, and critical that you say that it's pivotal With the internet. It's important that we do our research. It's important, man, you have to know the eras, because if you want to be great, you have to know where it come from. I study artists. I study like Rembrandt, picasso, da Vinci, I just you know what I mean. I just kind of just, obviously, when I was young, you heard about these names in school and I'm like, why are they still talking about them? Yeah, what's the significance of that? So let me see what if I could identify with what they were trying to contribute? Right, and every what? Seven years it changed really, and lately we haven't been having no changes because of the gatekeepers. Now we have analytics, so analytics can control the metric, as long as you know what success look like quote, unquote quote unquote.
Speaker 2So with that, they like all I know. If I do this, I will get this and I'm okay with that as long as that's what I want, instead of just saying I want to be innovative and do something that never been done before Because that's not common right? Kobe is one of my favorite people on earth. They go God, jesus, kobe. That's how I look at humans and that's just me.
Speaker 2The work ethic that he put into the game not passing the ball at one point, being an 18-year-old rookie straight out of high school, playing on the greatest team yeah, one of the greatest teams of all time, with some of the greatest players who soon to be of all time and having to live up to that, he had to do things that was unconventional, right, and you couldn't really get that analytics unless it was like jordan or, uh, you know somebody who came before him, barkley or larry bird, whoever, magic johnson he had to look at the eras before him to be great. He couldn't just say, oh, I'm just gonna come out here and just go off the stats. I had to look, he had to look, he had to look and research and do all that. So that's what I'm saying about With the what we, what we Kind of like Champion is a success as far as Streams.
Speaker 3And stuff like that.
Speaker 2Influence, I guess, if that's, if that's what the generation Championed, who am I to say that that's not relevant, right? So I can't really answer that question in that form, but I can tell you that if you want to be remembered, you got to remember, right, you got to remember what happened before, because the history will repeat itself and that's the only way to stay ahead of the curve. So I would say, uh, just doing the research, man, the eras, especially in music. That's why music sound the same right now. Yeah, because everybody's going off of analytics and what's successful versus what? How people, how do people? Uh, how do people produce? And just learning? That is really not no right way to do it. It's not no wrong way to do it either, it's just figuring it out.
Speaker 3If it hits, it hits, come on.
Speaker 2They say oh you got to mix your highs over here and your lows got to be at man nigga. Shit be unmixed.
Speaker 3It be slapping. Turn that shit up more.
Speaker 2I just want to feel it. I just want to feel it.
Speaker 3I don't care Because it's something different. It's not the norm, it's not the average category of. This is what this music is.
Speaker 3Right being able to get out of the norm and create something new, something authentic. And create something new, something authentic. It's like. I like the way that you broke that down, bro, because on social media that's all I ever see. Now I follow a lot of music producers who will go on FL Studio, who go on these different programs and in the car community on TikTok. A lot of people are into that bass-boosted, crazy, disruptive type of noise and you know what I'm talking about by those reels. It's, it's too, it's become too much of a trend and people are like oh, the numbers are popping off. I can get my music out and I can blow up off of this. Yes, hey, using it for your own upbringing and your own outreach. Hey, if that's what you want, if you want to be able to blow up off of that and the analytics is saying hey you produce this type of music, you're gonna get up, do it, yeah, but it's now.
Speaker 3It's just like when the trend is out there, I notice it and I'm like all right perfect word. You said yeah, trend yeah, trends don't last exactly. It's for the moment, but it's not authentic enough to stick around if you want to last.
Fresno History: Breakdancing & Hip-Hop Culture
Speaker 2That's what you got to do the research and all that stuff for. Or just be innovative until you figure it out. You know, if everybody doing the same thing, it becomes tasteless, oversaturated, yeah, oversaturated. So that's big. It only lasts so long and once it changed, then you got to change what you learn yeah right so that's that's important, that's it's not. Uh, it's not substantial enough for me, particularly I. I'd rather just be able to be like long term, like yo, damn, like this um hitting like an old marvin gaye song or an old temptation song or an oldie song.
Speaker 2What's his name? What's his name? Art Lebow or somebody. You feel me Like. I want my shit To be like On some you know how like, especially in California, we got all these oldies. We got we got cruising Dedicated to oldies, low rider music, yeah, and all the kids Know these songs. You know what I mean, like Tequila and all them. Uh, what's these other songs?
Speaker 1you know nba riot nba.
Speaker 2yeah, we know these songs. We might not even know the artist, but we know the melody. We could sing it because it's like the era, yeah, and it's, it's, it's authentic. Yes, you feel me. Yeah, they was being themselves and that inspired a whole generation. And and that inspired a whole generation, and then that inspired a whole other generation, right, versus inspiring just a few homies or just a wave and then fizzling out. Now you got tattoos all on your face and you're not really from a gang, or you crashed out and you in jail, yeah.
Speaker 4It was just a part of an era you blew it.
Speaker 1Yeah, nobody finna remember you. What's in jail? Yeah, it was just a part of an era you blew it.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, nobody, finna remember you. What's the point? Yeah, so yeah, that's very true, bro. You gotta man like I don't know. It's about what. You just identifying what you want, like you want to be trendy or you want to be remembered.
Speaker 1Yeah, I think at the end of the day, told DJ starting this, the goal was always to be an impact.
Speaker 4Right In this world, no matter how big, no matter how small.
Speaker 1Come on and that's what kept it going. Come on, I mean shit. Starting from nothing, not knowing what the fuck I was doing, I just dove myself right into it.
Speaker 2Being innovative.
Speaker 1And then that's how you learn. You learn from your mistakes. You learn There'd be times, man, that I'd have everything hooked up and I wasn't even recording. Yeah, I remember those nights, you remember those nights I remember those nights. And then again, it's just error after error. But you learn.
Speaker 2They're lessons.
Speaker 1Same thing. You don't know what the fuck you're doing. What am I talking to? Who am I talking to?
Speaker 1But you don't know who's really listening, because, at the end of the day, when I do talk about certain situations that we all have, it's touching somebody come on reaching out to someone else somebody else is gonna hit you up and be like hey, bro, like you really helped me out on this, like you don't know how many countless messages that I get that are long ass paragraphs and they say thank you for what you've done, thank you for being open, thank you for being a vulnerable right.
Speaker 1It's a pleasure it's a pleasure and it's such a taboo generation that we live in, but now we're breaking curses. Now we're breaking those generational curses to be like you know what. Hey, I'm not gonna sit here in silence and drink my fucking pain away and be an alcoholic, right? No, I'm gonna sit here and fucking talk about it it's you're strong.
Speaker 1You're much more of a stronger person to open up about your vulnerability and open up about your issues than to sit in there and just be acting tough and acting like nothing bothers you. We're not fucking Iron Men. At the end of the day, we're all human. We all have our own issues. We all have our own problems. So, speaking on top of that, what are some things in your guys' culture that is super hard to talk about?
Speaker 3Literally what you just said mental health. In your guys' culture that is super hard to talk about. Literally what you just said mental health, at least for me, growing up right and I say that because it's like I grew up in a household where you couldn't really be emotional Depression was not a thing Like oh you depressed, go work it out, go go do something, fix your face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, before I fix it, type, type, type shit. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2So it's like well, I'll give you something to cry about.
Speaker 3You know, and it's like you couldn't sit there and fully evaluate your mental health and just be like what's making me feel this way? You feel a certain way and you think you know, and you're just going to point the finger and be like, oh, you're the reason I feel this way, or not being able to comprehend it or understand it, and it being taken out on you, because it's like, why are you frustrated and you don't know why? You, you haven't developed that. How do I say mindset, yet to be able to sit down with yourself and be like, well, I'm feeling this way because this side that they're, because it's never been brought up to you yet yes so, while you're feeling some type of way, somebody's upset with you for feeling some type of way and if you don't fix it, then it's a problem and it's like, well, how can I help that?
Speaker 3yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, okay, I think a lot of it is mental health. Bro, that was one thing we couldn't really talk about. That was one thing that you really didn't have access to because, think about it, I mean, nobody was really out there saying like, hey, man, like I've noticed you've been down, like what's wrong? Talk to me. That wasn't common in black households. I feel like um, or in my culture, as I should say, um, but I would say that'd be it man Having the accessibility to be able to be like hey man, I'm just not feeling right. You know, I've been feeling low, need somebody to talk, to, need some kind of work to put my mind in something, or even just like someone to help you figure out your thoughts, just to sort it out, something like that. Just a partner to be like hey, what are you thinking about? What goals you got for yourself? What do you want to do here? I don't think it was very common.
Speaker 2It wasn't administered to the generation previous Exactly. They didn't know and that's how they got it obviously.
Speaker 3And that's why it becomes neglectful towards the generation after the fact it's like.
Speaker 2This is how we deal with it. And then, for me, what I'm noticing now it is mental health, but I don't want to say the same answer Financial literacy. It's not knowing what to do with money and watch people fuck money off my uncle's so dope A lot of my uncles is real notorious.
Speaker 1He's getting that shit.
Speaker 2My brother's is heavy getting that shit. Was he ain't trying to incriminate nobody yeah? Yeah, yeah, notorious. My brother is heavy in that shit Was I ain't trying to incriminate nobody. So where the fuck is the money?
Speaker 4at he was like oh yeah, we should sell dope, we be on the corner man do this and do that.
Speaker 2What the fuck you telling me this shit, for you think I'm going to give you some points. Bring the bag, nigga, where the money at you telling me, I don't sell drugs? Why the fuck you telling me? This and not no disrespect to everybody, get it how you live, but financial literacy, man, because I'm trying to figure this shit out as we speak, you feel me it's hard to be transparent about it because you broke you a broke boy, broke boy. You feel me that hurt.
Speaker 2You're at a fiscal because you broke you a broke boy broke boy.
Speaker 4You feel me that hurt. You're at a fiscal, you broke, that hurts.
Speaker 2But that for me, financial literacy, man, and trying to understand credit and surplus and equity, and just being responsible with that stuff, and just being responsible with that stuff, that's one thing I wish out of everything. I don't know my dad you feel me that was another thing I was going to say is fatherhood.
Speaker 2You feel me that's supposedly common in all minority ethnic communities because, of rural development drugs gang, stuff like that will take the parents, separate them, leave it to the mom. Usually she go to welfare, put the daddy on child support and now he don't even. He got a vendetta against the mama, yeah, and he got to figure out how to make against the mama yeah, and he gotta figure out how to make four times as much as what minimum wage is. So he gonna go sell the bag. You feel me, you know?
Speaker 2yeah, grandson shut up, you feel me so all that fatherhood and financial literacy, just not to say mental health, because that ultimately stems back to that right yes and I have guidance. Every household need a man. Period, even if it ain't they daddy, it need a man. It need a man, somebody who's standing on business, to set that tone and let you know how not to crash out or make the mistakes for you. Basically. Yeah, yeah, I get you.
Speaker 1What would you say to somebody right now that's struggling If you had a specific message to give to them?
Speaker 2Anybody who's struggling right now. The first step is to have a plan, right, a plan. I guess you got to know what you want to do. First have an idea. Let me, let me, let me go back to do. First have an idea, let me, let me, let me go back. If I could say one thing, uh, to somebody struggling right now, it would be own the idea, own your own ideas, because all your thoughts are not yours. First of, all some stuff.
Speaker 2You just been hearing people say and you believe it because you're conditioned to think that that's valid and that's not your idea. So own your ideas first. Second thing is to get a plan. The plan is never going to go how you expect, but it's just make sure you get it done. Yes, you're going to have challenges, have challenges, obstacles and different circumstances, scenarios that's gonna come. But the plan lets you remember why you got into it in the first place and what you're trying to accomplish.
Speaker 2Absolutely. So if I could say anything, there'll just be that just just, and then, and then follow through. Get to the end end. Don't give up. Right, anybody struggling. Don't give up. It's not an option. It's not an option. Giving up ain't an option. You're going to die either way. Choose your heart, right. You're going to be dead. You sit on the couch all day. You're going to be dead if you go out there and face your fears. Absolutely. So, choose your heart and just don't give up. What about you? What would you say?
Speaker 3I think you just said it the best way possible. I mean, I think anybody who's struggling right now, the best thing that I can say is just make younger you proud. Come on, imagine younger you sitting at the edge of the bed when you wake up, looking at you like man, what are you going to accomplish today? You up, looking at you like man, what are you going to accomplish today? You've made it this far. What are you going to accomplish today? What, what amazing things could you do today? I'll put a smile on my face. What goals are you going to reach to make your inner child happy?
Art Hop's Impact on Fresno Community
Speaker 3I and I mean I stand by that. I mean you've seen how I grew up, like being passionate about cars, being passionate about just the culture of music and stuff like that. I'm a little different. I'm a little alternative, I guess you could say, because I like alternative versions of things. Right, the same thing with like drifting, what I was talking about earlier. You know, most people of my culture we into donks, into donks, muscle cars, loud bass, stuff like that. I was more into Japanese cars, drifting stuff like that, right of course, but implementing the culture into it at the same time.
Speaker 3I'm now at the age of 25, being able to have that Lexus that I had, slamming it on the ground, implementing the Japanese culture with that car but at the same time putting my own little touch to it, making videos out of it. You know what I'm saying? That cured my inner child because, like I said earlier, being on forza making them videos and stuff, I was doing that in high school before it was really big right. So then I ended up looking back at myself now being like bro, if I would have went back to my 16 year old self and showed him a reel that I just made, he'd be like there's no way you own that car and you're doing you made that. Yeah, he'd be happy, and I think that's what drives me the most. So I would just say anybody who's struggling just remember who you do it for, remember why you do it and if all else fails, just make younger you happy and put that smile on your younger self let me ask you a question, martin yeah, what's up.
Speaker 2What was it like for you growing up?
Speaker 1in fresno. Oh, I, I had it pretty rough. Um, I grew up in a very, uh, toxic household. Uh, my dad was an abusive alcoholic and my dad was very strong on being a man and he, you know, in certain degrees I am appreciative to a lot of things that did go wrong, because it toughened me up, it gave me that thick skin and I didn't take shit from anybody, you know, and I think I look back at all my life decisions and I'm like, hey, I, I know what I did, but I at least, I did it with full potential, with no fear.
Speaker 1No, you're gonna risk it all, I don't got nothing else to lose. Yeah, and that taught me a lot. I mean even even growing up around gang members, growing up around people that were selling dope, weed, you name it all the drugs, like here in the Central Valley, in the area that we grew up in. You saw all that, yeah, right, but it definitely shaped me to be like, hey, I got to find a way out. Come on, hey, I don't want to be end up another statistic, right, right, right, because that's what they see us Mexicans.
Speaker 1Sometimes, too, it's like, well, you're going to be like another essay, be another homeboy in the streets. And it's just like, no, I ain't going to end up like another number.
Speaker 1I want to of the things that made you happy, like what were some of the things you enjoyed doing like I always just enjoyed being creative, having no restrictions on, just hey, just doing what I wanted playing basketball, playing football, soccer, and just messing around with everybody, I mean every there's times. I think dj has seen me too, and we'll all play basketball and I'll be doing like some crazy ass fucking move.
Speaker 2But just for the fucking fun of it, you know.
Speaker 1And that's all it is. It's just like the ability to be creative, right, and I think that's what truly was allowing myself to be me. Yeah, because it would be like the most craziest thing. I have some of the most craziest fucking ideas for the podcast and I create them. Right, let's go. And that's just because that's my love, that's my passion. So most definitely is a message that I would say for if you had it rough, find the positive and maneuver through it. I mean shit, all the stuff that you go through, you might as well just switch it up.
Speaker 2Things happen for you, not to you.
Speaker 1Yes, yes, absolutely Dope. Thank you for the question. Man man for sure. Anytime, man, that's what I'll do.
Speaker 2And one more question what kind of hat is that, bro? I've never seen this hat and. I've seen it on a podcast on on Instagram.
Speaker 1I'm going to ask him when I see him. This hat right here is from a brand. They gave it to me as the care package from Never Trusted. It was presented to me from Between Pods. It's another podcast here in Fresno from Cesar. Shout out Cesar. Shout out Aaron and JJ for the care package, because they hooked me up with all this stuff. They're Fresno based.
Speaker 2Shout out to Never Trusted. Shout out Aaron and JJ for the care package, because they hooked me up with all this stuff and they're Fresno based. Shout out to Never.
Speaker 1Trusted man Shout out, Never Trusted. Go ahead and check them out. They just dropped new t-shirts.
Speaker 2Let's go.
Speaker 1I love it, love their brands.
Speaker 2Dope brand Catch my eye every time I seen it, because I already know what the F for. I mean we big on that.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Just seeing, just seeing a different style of effing. I love that because I remember when, like, the grizzly f started popping remember the famous star f everybody was wearing it for family and all yeah.
Speaker 2So everybody get the tattoo these yeah, for sure, and put the five five nine it wasn't even hard, but we took it. So seeing this one was like I like it. I like it. So that's dope shout out to never trusted me. I don't never trusted bro in between pods I'm catching y'all. Catch up with y'all, man. Hopefully we can get one going straight up, okay, yeah, um, where we at in the uh the segment I mean we've been jumping around a little bit.
Speaker 3I mean we kept it in line a good amount yeah, uh, we.
Speaker 1The only thing that we probably didn't hit is, uh, the immigration.
Speaker 2Let's do it.
Speaker 1Let's do it, let's knock it out real quick, okay so have you, or anybody in your guys's inner circle, uh experience, uh anything wrong with the immigration or the system in general?
Speaker 2Um, I have one experience, and it wasn't me personally. Uh, when, uh, you know, I was growing up, uh, in our community, like it was very diverse, a lot of immigrants and I had some homies from uh, ethiopia, I want to say East Africa, africa, I think it's East Africa, but uh, they was Ethiopian and, um, you know, I never thought too much about like customs and all that stuff, but one of the homies he was, uh, he was probably one of the more modest of the kids, he didn't really cuss, he believed in Jesus. He's one of the first people to talk about it, as far as some people just don't bring certain stuff up.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2And we got older and I heard about him getting caught up in customs. And I heard about him getting caught up in customs and they deported him back to his home country. But he had been born and raised here yeah. And I think he just went over there for a family vacation and then got sent over there. I don't know what happened, but when he came back, bro was homeless, like lost his mind, like not somebody you would ever have expected to be on these fresno streets loving family just weird just the whole situation was weird, but just that experience alone let me know that shit was unfair.
Speaker 2Yeah. So I can only imagine what the natives is going through, people who've been born here and having to go through all this chaos, and the children, especially the children.
Speaker 1Especially the children.
Speaker 2And the trafficking and the perversion of it all. You feel me, when these fools then Kidnap Black people and built the country and we still suffering from the trauma, and then we had to go through Civil rights and all this stuff and we still suffering from the trauma, and then we had to go through civil rights and all this stuff and it's still not resolved. Right, right, how much more is it going to? How long? How longer is it going to go on and what are the ramifications? Like what? What level is it really going to? Yes, so that that is very concerning to me yeah, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1I what's. What's super concerning is one thing that I didn't know and it was a fact is that there was over 50 000 troops hispanic troops that helped during the civil war. All that's erased from history yeah, they specifically removed it from history. Right, because they didn't want to show that the hispanic culture contributed to the battles. Right, but there was puerto ricans, cubans, mexicans right I mean, you name it.
Speaker 1They were trying to help out and they fought in these wars. Come on, I mean shit. What? Like a week ago, there was the whole flooding in texas. They were literally still sending mexican uh firefighters from mexico to come over here yeah to help out the floods right just because the country doesn't have quote-unquote resources resources and all the resources are in la watching the protests, but it's like you.
Speaker 1These mexican people are coming from out of their country to save, to save us, yeah, to save and help out. And what are you doing? You're kicking, trying to keep them all out right.
Speaker 2I feel like right now, it's very imperative that we mobilize. It's hard because I feel like black people feel like, well, we had this done to to us, so now what's happening to y'all? This is what we're talking about, but obviously, ice, don't give a fuck yeah once they get done with y'all they coming back to us.
Speaker 2They been, they, not you. Obviously, this is Mexico. A lot of these cities is named after Latin terms. You feel me? Texas is Mexican territory. That was pillaged, in whatever words you want to use. To be established as American territory? Yes. To be established as American territory? Yes. And the only way to resolve it is to unite. It's the only way. And to put everything aside, it's the only way, like. That's why I want to talk about it, because I feel like, even at some point, I felt like damn like this been going on.
Immigration Issues & Community Unity
Speaker 2That's what I've been hearing about from my culture right but we got kids.
Speaker 2A lot of black and brown people got kids they're not finna care about. Oh, your mom's black, we ain't gonna mess with you. No, they gonna be like oh, no, we still feel like this towards you. We always felt like this Since the beginning of this country Right, it ain't gonna never stop. Yes, and it make you feel like who do we need to get rid of? For real, you see where I'm going with this, right? Yeah, I see where you're going with it, and it's very hard to talk about because obviously nobody don't want to be the target. Mm-hmm, yeah, everybody. Just like nonviolent, nonviolent. Oh, we seen where that get you.
Speaker 3Yeah, I've been wanting to speak on that, so bad.
Speaker 2Come on, I might as well.
Speaker 3But again, nobody want to be a target, so it's like it's not censorship, but you know where it leads to come on and it is. That's why I feel like a lot of people feel helpless in certain situations. And I've been saying, when it comes to protests and stuff, peaceful protests, it gets you outreach, it gets the problem noticed. Originally, protests were supposed to get noticed by politicians that were supposed to be like okay, we understand where you're coming from. Let's try and make a change for the people. Somebody that was for the people, that was in charge, is going to make a change. Yes, we don't have that now.
Speaker 2If it's us versus them, who you think going to win? Who, if it's us versus them, who you think gonna win? Who, If it's us Versus them? Who you think gonna? Win, that's the song. That's where it's at. That's where it's at. For a shift, and he didn't even work. It's crazy.
Speaker 3That's crazy, you know. And then we allow it to happen, we don't speak up, we speak about those things and nothing really happens. So back to the same topic it's. Right right, right, right. How far can you really get with peaceful protests? How far can you really get with being peaceful before things start to change and then?
Speaker 2you know, and you know it's crazy. They counting on us to go into a civil arrest. Yeah, they want us to fight back, right, they want that. Yeah, that's why trump crazy. He's a fucking bro.
Speaker 3But it's a double-edged sword too, because it's like okay, well, how much? How much can they take before they fight back? How like exactly it's? It's agitating the dog, see when it's going to bite.
Speaker 2You know what I'm saying so you know that the country was established after the american revolution, after the Mexicans and the troops came and helped the black people and helped the northerners, because obviously the slaves wanted to be free. Yeah, the northerners wasn't going for that slavery stuff. And the southerners was like we established our whole dominance on this. Yeah, our whole trade system is established on free labor. So everybody who was like, nah, it don't matter what color they was, they're just like, nah, we finna go fight today. This is it like we're not going back and forth for the fight? Yeah, you're not gonna talk you out.
Speaker 2No, so that's why all the people who was in congress, all them people had to fight. Yeah, unless you was just stuck in capitol hill like on some real elite type shit, yeah, you still had to fight because, with your words and you probably had to punch somebody in the damn courtroom yeah, maybe once or twice or get into a shoving match because it was that hostile, yeah, it was that. That's how much tension was at that level for the whole country to say we're here fighting in American soil, americans versus Americans. It wasn't.
Speaker 3You know what I mean. It wasn't.
Speaker 2English. It was Americans versus Americans. That's where we are right now. That's where we at.
Speaker 3But everybody's too scared and too stuck in the everyday life of They'd rather shoot each other.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2Than go after a real enemy. They'd rather shoot each other than go after a real enemy. And it's tactics, it's called rules of engagement, right, they know that. They know even the UN. When political soldiers get arrested, they have to play the game. The Black Panthers knew that. I only can speak on them because I've researched that Political soldiers. Tupac Daddy, he knew how to play the game. He knew they couldn't kill him because he was a political soldier, slash refugee. And those words exist in sovereignty through legislation. So if you don't say these words, when you're in court and you're held in contempt, they gonna treat you however they wanna treat you. Because you don't know who you are, yeah. But if you know what you fighting for, that's how you win a case, mm-hmm. Because you gotta fight, yes, right, yeah, you gotta know what to say, right. But also sometimes you got to fight to win the case Exactly.
Speaker 2You feel me, Sometimes your hands will get it done and obviously we've been desensitized to that because we from the era Well, I can't, you know, not to take away from anybody, but I'm from a fighting era, Like bullying and shit was real. Yeah, it was big. If you was soft, they was going to find out. It was big. If you was gay. You had to stand up for yourself if you was going to be gay.
Speaker 3Yeah, even then, you know, with the shit you was square, that's what it was.
Speaker 2That's what I'm about to say. Back then, when I was in high school and somebody was a homosexual or a gay, they made it open.
Speaker 2Open, like I'm this type of way, like you're gonna like me, gonna respect me it's still the the ground, yeah but now it's like everybody just hiding behind something and they're like I'm hiding behind this system that covers me, thinking I'm gonna be safe forever, when all this stuff is designed to expose you in the first place. So I'm not trying to target nobody, I'm just saying that this country was built on violence. Yeah, it was built on that. The fuck, it was hell. Yeah, how you think it's gonna end? Yeah, there is no alternative. And we keep partying, or you? You know, the most selling music is drill music, real like, yeah, kodak black mozzie um um o t o g z um drill music pop smoke.
Speaker 3Not that I think i'ma shoot you, i'ma slide.
Speaker 2I'ma Slide Turn around Double back. Into the clip. Turn around dick. It's not like that, for no reason. Those are war cries. You feel me? Yeah.
Speaker 2But Obviously, if you went to Community politics and you went to gang, you know that. That's why they're, you know that's why gangs are there for the community. They're not there for fashion or popularity, it's for protection and survival. Real gangs in LA. They're there for, you know, the community. It's a setup, it's a hierarchy. Of course you have crash outs and whatever else you want to call them, but they have. They know, at the end of the day, if it all come burning down, they finna stick together and you gonna have to come swinging. You're not just, finna, come over there and be like hey, we taking all y'all to jail. Somebody's going to get burned.
Speaker 3You know what I just realized the entire time you were just talking. I was thinking about what you said about the country being birthed on violence. Drill music right, I was thinking what other countries got drill music? I don't hear drill in Japan, where they're very civilized, and even then they have the Yakuza. They have different, you know their versions of gangs.
Speaker 1They got their version, but they're more like mafia and organized.
Speaker 2Sophisticated.
Speaker 3But when you go to places like Mexico, for instance, their version of drill, which I'm sure you've heard and I can't name the group group I've heard of the group name but I can't recall that mexico.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah raised and and birthed on violence. They have to stand their ground. There's been constant revolutions, there's been constant fighting grounds for overtaking their own government or the government trying to establish themselves, so on and so forth. Yes, and this is speaking from my own perspective, I don'm not going to sit here and act like. I know the history of Mexico, obviously, but from what I've seen, that's why there's so much violence as is now. It's the top selling thing. You go to New York, people will tell you don't come to this side of New York. Do not come to this side of New York.
Speaker 3The drill music is hot there no, chicago, chicago drill round detroit it was the most hot, when the most shit was going down violently. And it's like you, you, you attract what you give out, come on, and a lot of the times it's just like you won't never reach a place of progression if you're stuck in the same place for so long this is true so it it, it's it sucks.
Speaker 3At the same time, it's like it is a war cry. It's people that are like, listen, this is the lifestyle that I had to live. I didn't get to choose this lifestyle. Yes, hear me out. But it's also like it's a help, in a way of boosting those who didn't have a voice to stand up for themselves at the same time, to let that anger out.
Speaker 3So, in the stance of political games and understanding, you know, peace doesn't get me very far. Where do you relate to? What do you relate to the most? It's the violent shit. So that was just my little takeaway. I didn't think about it being the most. It's the violent shit.
Speaker 1So that was just my little takeaway. I didn't think about it being the most, because I do listen to a lot of it. I got Polo G on my playlist. I got Lil Durk still.
Speaker 2Come on and look where they at. I listen to all these Again.
Speaker 1I didn't put two and two together. It's just it sounds good, it's-.
Speaker 2Subliminal, all this shit is called a psyop.
Speaker 2Yes, yes yes, a fucking psyop. We live in a psyop, bro. America is a fucking psyop. I didn't even know this conversation. I kind of knew, but I didn't know. I didn't think I was going to be this open with it. And immigration is the last. This is the last step, y'all.
Speaker 2Immigration is very important to society because this, this country, was built by immigrants who was forced to come here, and then it was built by immigrants who left their homes to come here and build this up. The irish, the asians and the europe and the Mexicans and the Jamaicans the whole 13 colonies was built, was established by immigrants. If you know anything about the 13 colonies, then you kind of know where I'm going with that. And then Gangs of New York the whole movie show you how violence established all this stuff and those are all immigrants fighting each other. You feel me, the Spanish, all these different people. And now we at a point where we don't really know why we doing stuff but it ain't happening for no reason.
Speaker 2It's not a coincidence that it's in this time period and I I don't really want to get too religious, but it's in the bible. I like, I grew up in a very spiritual community, uh, religious community, and when I got like about 14, I started seeing the what is it called? The contradiction, the hypocrisy in Christianity and stuff like that, like how it was just about money, all that stuff. And once I started to see that, it gave me another perspective on why I was still feeling a spiritual connection. So I know there's a higher deity, you know, I know that there's something bigger than me, right, uh, but it's certain things in the bible.
Speaker 2I don't know if they wrote it and making it happen or if God gave it to the man because he needed people to know. I don't know the difference, I just know it's really happening and one of them is about the aliens. And it's not talking about aliens in the sky, it's talking about foreign aliens that if they want to come here, let them. If they looking for a way to have a better life, let them. And we going against the grain. But it's saying that even in the bible, like in the bible, it's saying like that, this gonna come, that there's gonna be one of the signs obviously, before the messiah come back and for a lot of the big wars happen, it's gonna be the immigrants, it's gonna be the aliens.
Speaker 2They're gonna be wanting to come and they're not gonna be able to come because they're gonna be getting, you know, mistreated and all this stuff yeah so obviously, having a spiritual side and one thing like I, I really kind of like I don't want to just uh, like I said, I want to get too religious, but obviously you gotta I just gotta tell the truth I feel like that's the important of any podcast is to share the truth, man, because it's just important.
Speaker 2You don't know what's gonna really happen, we don't know how we can really change this thing right, and obviously I made it this far. You feel me, uh, and people see the light in me and, oh, you're doing good, or I respect this about you and all this stuff. But this is how I get it from the source for me. I just came off a fast like I'm not eating for like two days and then eat like two pieces of fruit and not eat for another two days.
Final Thoughts on Collaboration & Progress
Speaker 2I'm about nothing, bro, just drink some water for like two days, bro, and to some people that's a lot, but to me it'd be like I could go longer if I really want to. I'd be hungry, but I also have to download some type of epiphany or have some type of break. Yeah, discipline, especially discipline, so that if things do get bad, I know I can survive or I can be a little bit more, uh, just just productive with the bare essentials and stuff like that. So, yeah, saying that to say all this stuff is not happening for no reason, man, and it's hard because somebody obviously is gonna feel the aftermath of it. And it's really one of them things where we got to figure out how to have a more, a more, um, resolvent conversation, because I feel like this is crazy.
Speaker 2I'm gonna tell y'all a crazy story right now. Um, so I got a few, you know, I got nieces and nephews and stuff, and we, we travel and stuff go to the beach or we just go back and forth between family members house and one morning we got up and we all went to my sister house and we driving past Blackstone and knees and, uh, they was having a rally and it was just all you know.
Speaker 2It was just supporters down. And if you look down Blackstone going south, there's hella people. If you look going north, by in and out, just hella people.
Speaker 2And my little cousins, I mean my nieces and nephews, like what the heck like, but they knew it's like it's for the immigration, telling you they like in first and third grade, between first and third grade, but they knew right, and that was just throwing me back, like that's how significant this shit is, like it's on the level where it's affecting everybody. Yes, yeah, I grew up in a multicultural household. My best friends were hispanic since I was little. Since I was little, feel me yeah my first time spending night at somebody's house that wasn't my house was a hispanic household it was so crazy about that was.
Speaker 3So is mine, see so is mine bro. See, so was mine. That's crazy.
Speaker 2So it ain't no way, I'm not affected by it. Yeah, yeah, you feel me. Yeah. Yeah and Fresno, the Hispanics show me more love than the black people. Like my own family, I feel like be hating. I shouldn't say this this, but I have to because I feel compelled to say it now. And when I reached out to you it was like butter, bro, I didn't expect you to be so open. I didn't expect that.
Speaker 2I thought it's gonna be like oh okay, I gotta see what I gotta do and then bullshit me yeah but it was like Now I said what I said and he was like I was gonna wait till next week. Then I told my girl I was like, nah, I feel I'll get my haircut, I'm gonna be ready. Yeah, I'm gonna be ready, I'm gonna get through everything I gotta do. We was gonna either shoot it in there or we gonna shoot it at my sister house. I was like, no, let me shoot it in the garden. It's like it's important that we put these energies around us right Going forward, so they all in there know I'm shooting a podcast right now.
Speaker 3They want to look out the window. So bad.
Speaker 2I told them just like, if y'all do, just don't be distracted. I don't know what they're doing, probably on the computer or something like that. But, the fact that I'm telling you the story about the immigration and how they're able to comprehend the children are able to comprehend that it's something important happening.
Speaker 1Yes, this is a big impact, you know, in every community, not just one.
Speaker 2All of them, so our generation. Just lucky that we the ones who gotta and we the ones who have to figure it out. And when I say lucky, I mean that sarcastically, you know what I mean. Like it's a big issue. It's a big problem and, speaking up, like my homies in Texas, this is crazy. They damn near voted for Trump and the whole campaign and all that shit. I'm talking shit. Fuck this weird ass. Orange pill face ass maniac. I don't care, bro.
Speaker 4I don't really like that. I'll take it up with God. Bro, I don't really like that, I'll take it up with.
Speaker 2God Bro, I don't really like that For real. I'm from Fresno. I'm from the worst part of Fresno. I ain't gonna say where I'm all I've been. I live in every part of Fresno. Put it that way yeah. So I'm not really. I don't know what to be scared of. I done seen aliens. I done seen shit in the sky that I can't explain. I don't know what to be scared of in Fresno. You feel me.
Speaker 2My sensitivity of fear is off the Richter. I got to see some shit I never. I can't explain you feel me, for me to be scared. I have nightmares that traumatize me and I live with them. It's a memory now, right, but but I'm still okay.
Speaker 2I'm still all right so I'm gonna be okay so to talk about this weirdo, fuck donald trump. That's for a reason. You feel me? That whole song, that whole movement, that was for a reason. Yeah, you know what I mean. And obviously we got people playing both sides and I guess they call it strategic and it's counterproductive at the end of the day. But my roommates I don't care if they see this, they know I love them, which is like okay, like they was trying to to like reason with his logic and stuff, and I'm like he's a maniac. You know what a maniac is you ever?
Speaker 1seen it like a picture of him.
Speaker 3Yeah, like nothing you say makes sense, but you gonna stand on it yeah, a maniac, bro, and to me that's scary.
Speaker 2If he became the president, who else is what the fuck? It's deep, bro. It's deep, and that's why I picked immigration, because it's the forefront of the most significant thing that's happening in front of our eyes. It's bigger than the fashion. It's bigger than the crypto. It's bigger. This was built on immigration, bro, it's not. You cannot unchange that. They're trying to rewrite this. Yeah, it ain't enough. You can't rewrite it fast enough. You're not going to be able to. You have to drop a nuke and incinerate this and then rewrite it if you got people left yeah.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3It's going to be a lot of bloodshed. Come on, man, and it's happening.
Speaker 2It's happening, bro, it's happening, and obviously it's kind of like too late, but it ain't, it's just about what we do when we wake up tomorrow. Yeah. Like how fast this message get out and what people really think of what I'm saying right now and where people really think of what I'm saying right now and like, if y'all want to carry that image, it's a lot of that. It's a lot of that and I'm not asking y'all to put this out, I just wanted to have the conversation.
Speaker 1Yeah, and Brooke Boyz always said you come in here and you speak for you.
Speaker 2And I'm speaking for myself. I want to put a disclaimer out there. I'm not speaking for Martin, yeah, and I'm speaking for myself. I want to put a disclaimer out there. I'm not speaking for martin. I'm not speaking for dj. I'm speaking for myself. I'm not speaking for my family members. I'm not speaking for my friends. I'm speaking from my experience. Yeah, so however you interpret that, hold me to it. I can handle it. I wouldn't invite it, john, here if I knew I wasn't able to 1000 yeah, I mean speak your mind, and yeah like I said, you 100 allowed to speak your mind.
Speaker 1Anybody is, and I will always stand on that. There's nothing wrong with that. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. You're your own person at the end of the day, and I just got nothing but respect For you to come on here and to really be yourself, with nothing holding you back.
Speaker 2Literally it's been a pleasure, y'all Straight up.
Speaker 1I appreciate you and I appreciate the time. Thank you for inviting me over here to your home and I'm glad that we got this going bro.
Speaker 2Yes, sir, I'm looking forward to see what y'all do. Uh, like I said, I'm gonna go re-watch, do my research. I got time and, um, I really wanna. I want to build that relationship like the production. I want to build the production side because, um, one of my long-term goals is to own that commercial production company here, like that Universal, like the new line, like a you know what I mean Like a Netflix.
Speaker 1Yes.
Speaker 2I want that like a YouTube. One of my biggest visions is just seeing a building downtown with our logo on it. Yeah, I've been having that vision and I just kind of like like Know I gotta do the work Before I can get it. I know it ain't gonna just.
Speaker 1Manifest it bro. Speak it into existence.
Speaker 2It's on the way, shout out Broke Boys Podcast, shout out Digital Medication, shout out to everybody who's been, you know, involved With the advancement, you feel me, the progress On both ends, on both parties, and um, I just, you know, I feel like obviously everybody just need to kind of figure out what's important and, um, put the pride aside, like fresno. Pride is one thing, like personal pride is another. Yes, you know what I mean and obviously it's enough space for all of us. Just be a friend, hold yourself accountable and be prepared to do the work.
Speaker 1Yeah, yes, you know what?
Speaker 2I mean Because it's not going to get handed to you and if you want to keep it you're going to have to work 1,000%.
Speaker 3Right, that's a huge thing too. Fresno pride man. People be too prideful to shout their own people out. And that's what we talked about too when we were on the podcast with Isaiah. And it's just like you know, your homies got talent, you know they're trying to make something out of nothing.
Speaker 1Shout them out. Share like whatever.
Speaker 3Yeah, just a simple like. Just let them know Somebody acknowledges them and that they are willing to be like. Hey, man, I see what you're doing. Keep it up. Simple message, whatever it is. Yes, I got one more thing to say too.
Speaker 2Uh, begging and asking is two different things, yes, so I guess I kind of be like Very adamant about asking, like I might just flood the inbox every now and then and do stuff like that, but Begging and asking Is two different things. I'm the type of person that If you ask me With that sprinkler, oh shit, hey y'all, we gotta go. What the heck, what's today, saturday? Oh shit. But hey y'all, we off my man. My bad y Yo, we got to go. What the heck, what's today, saturday? Oh shit, hey yo, we off my man.
Speaker 2My bad y'all. We forgot on. That's crazy. I totally forgot it's Saturday.
Speaker 3Saturday morning Was it 12? What time is it what?
Speaker 2time is it? It's 10?
Speaker 310.50.
Speaker 210.50. Damn babe 1050.
Speaker 1We'll close it how we close it. We didn't bro boys from the.
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