Ever wonder about the struggles and triumphs of artists in the independent music scene? Well, wonder no more as we bring you an intimate conversation with Ryan Woodcock and Jayco The ARkiTekk who are creating waves in the industry. They share their unique journeys into music, the challenges they've faced, and their inspiring stories of resilience. Listen in as Ryan reveals his transition into rap and collaborations with Haystack, while Jayco opens up about their family's musical influence and personal journey to recovery.
Navigating the music industry is no mean feat, with hurdles like distribution and the influence of social media posing significant challenges. But fear not, as this episode is packed with insights on overcoming these barriers. Your host Dr. Mary, Ryan and Jayco discuss the importance of a robust business mindset, trust, and collaboration -- vital tools for any artist in the industry. We weave through the complex layers of the industry, shedding light on the unique struggles independent artists face, and call for unity as we stand together against these challenges.
We then move into a deeper discussion on the critical relationship between mental health, self-care, and music. Ryan and Jayco share their experiences of performing, the impact of social media on their lives, and how music has proved to be a powerful tool for connection and healing. We also have the chance to talk about "Sacrs” a testament to the universal human experience of pain and challenge. Ryan and Jayco have a single out soon and we are looking forward to it. Dr. Mary shares her rendition of Patsy Cline's " Walking after midnight". "Walkin' After Midnight" is a song written by Alan Block and Don Hecht and recorded by American country music artist Patsy Cline, and we give credit where credit is due. So, get ready to be moved, enlightened, and inspired with this heartwarming episode of Healing Vocals.
Ever wonder about the struggles and triumphs of artists in the independent music scene? Well, wonder no more as we bring you an intimate conversation with Ryan Woodcock and Jayco The ARkiTekk who are creating waves in the industry. They share their unique journeys into music, the challenges they've faced, and their inspiring stories of resilience. Listen in as Ryan reveals his transition into rap and collaborations with Haystack, while Jayco opens up about their family's musical influence and personal journey to recovery.
Navigating the music industry is no mean feat, with hurdles like distribution and the influence of social media posing significant challenges. But fear not, as this episode is packed with insights on overcoming these barriers. Your host Dr. Mary, Ryan and Jayco discuss the importance of a robust business mindset, trust, and collaboration -- vital tools for any artist in the industry. We weave through the complex layers of the industry, shedding light on the unique struggles independent artists face, and call for unity as we stand together against these challenges.
We then move into a deeper discussion on the critical relationship between mental health, self-care, and music. Ryan and Jayco share their experiences of performing, the impact of social media on their lives, and how music has proved to be a powerful tool for connection and healing. We also have the chance to talk about "Sacrs” a testament to the universal human experience of pain and challenge. Ryan and Jayco have a single out soon and we are looking forward to it. Dr. Mary shares her rendition of Patsy Cline's " Walking after midnight". "Walkin' After Midnight" is a song written by Alan Block and Don Hecht and recorded by American country music artist Patsy Cline, and we give credit where credit is due. So, get ready to be moved, enlightened, and inspired with this heartwarming episode of Healing Vocals.
One Welcome y'all for those tuning in this time. Dr Mary Anderson. This is Healing Vocals, the podcast that talks about music community, all the awesome things that are done in the world in the music world, and I have some very, very special guests with me today Ryan Woodcock, aka Bloodhound Ryan, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:It's an honor. It is definitely an honor. Ryan is a international, nationally known recording artist. His songs are out all over the world, especially in the United States. Ryan, could you tell the viewers here a little bit more about you and your music? Where we can find your music?
Speaker 2:Well, the way you put it, you make it sound like I'm some worldwide celebrity. I'm just a normal guy from South Mississippi. But I tell people the best way to find me and the fastest way to find me is just go to Google and type in Ryan Woodcock, bloodhound, kind of like what it says down here at the bottom Hasme Shadow Band, instagram. Hasme Shadow Band, tiktok Hasme Shadow Band. So just go to Google and that's how you find me.
Speaker 1:Thank you for sharing that. We actually you brought in a special guest with you today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've done a couple of projects together. We did a talent song, we did one called Scars, which is on her album, and so we got a new one that's fixing to come out. We don't have a release date yet, but it probably will be the very next single that I drop, and so I figured this would be a great opportunity to her to come on and introduce her and talk about her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, Jacob the architect. I'm going to go ahead and put Jacob in. Hi Jacob, how are you? Hey, how are you? I'm good. How are you all? Very good, very good. Welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Jacob, can you tell our audience a little bit about yourself and your music, where they can find you?
Speaker 4:So, yeah, I'm Jacob, the architect on every streaming platform I'm branded, so that would be across TikTok, instagram, anything like that. I mean, I'm a 37-year-old artist who is five and a half years into recovery, so I'm just starting this journey in life, much less, you know, starting this journey of music.
Speaker 1:Very awesome news to hear and I'm so proud of you for that. I'm a family nurse practitioner and I take care of a lot of artists that go through recovery and medical conditions and all kinds of stuff, so definitely proud of you for that, absolutely.
Speaker 4:I bet.
Speaker 1:So y'all, I just wanted to kind of dive a little bit more into your lives, if you want to talk about that, how you came to be in the music world, what inspired you, did you grow up as a little kid knowing that you wanted to do music? So, ryan, I'm going to kind of ask you first, and then Jacob, I'm going to ask you and these guys have some wonderful stories to tell, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to be a rapper, I don't know. It just kind of happened. It's just kind of happening. Actually, I didn't wake up one day and say that I'm going to be a rapper. You know, I had already recorded a song and it was out on YouTube. I wrote the song. I'm playing all the instruments guitar, drums, lead bass, harmonica so I'm playing all the instruments on the song. So it's not a beat. So I didn't sit down to write a rap song. But when the song was on I got the listening to it and, abby damn, it's a rap song. It's a rap song. The name of the song is when we Live, and so you know from that, I was like well, let's give it a shot. I guess Haystack is in the middle of the story. He came along and I'm like you know what, if I'm doing music with Haystack, then let's go all out. So I released a song called Pink Flamingo and it just kind of went from there. But it's still going.
Speaker 1:Very cool, you're on a roll, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean to be honest with you and I'm pretty sure Jacob can contest to this it's not what it seems like to the fan. Doing this, especially as an independent artist, it's hard work and I know that can sound like a cliche sometimes because people say it, but you know, just me being able to see it out of day tonight and do this podcast like a big load off my shoulders because I'm doing something for the brand at the same time, like I'm having to do something that's not stressful. I just got to sit here and talk, you know, and so I'm doing this, especially this week.
Speaker 2:It's been a hectic week when you know, when artists say, oh, I can't do it no more or I quit, what they're not what they're saying. They're not saying they're never going to make music again. That's not what they're saying. If you're a true artist, you'll always make music. Whether you are recording in a studio or are beating on a desk you know are beating on a sale in the local prison You're always going to make music. What they mean when they say they quit or they walk away is they mean the business side of it. You know there's. You know there's that side, whether we like it or not. But so I'm on a roll, like you said, still here and looking forward to the single. Me and Jacob have coming out.
Speaker 1:Very cool, very cool, jacob. What got you into music?
Speaker 4:I'm actually a third or fourth generation musician. My grandfather did a lot of work in Nashville and he's got he's got some songs that have the Jordanaires for his backup and he, he, just he did a lot of like live remote broadcasts for from the Grand Ole Opry and different stuff like that. He ran the local radio station in my hometown for like four years. And my cousin is also a working musician, Joe Johnson. He is a singer, songwriter and he's up here in Colorado close to me. My mother sang in gospel groups and wrote gospel music and different things like that. So I mean, it's always been, you know, I always grew up in it, I grew up in band practice and, you know, going here and there for shows at revivals and different things like that. So but I just I decided to trash my life for a good 20 something years and I never pursued anything at all, and so now I'm just coming in to do what I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 1:So Wow, I think all of us have a little bit of a similarity there. Ryan knows a little bit about my story, but there will be an article coming out here shortly next week that will tell everybody the story. But I started music at a very young age in my church, did gospel, played the guitar when I was 11, my dad died and I put it all down. I have not picked it up till recently, over these last few years, so I can understand that definitely. So I think we all have a really pretty cool story. Tell me a little bit about your single coming out.
Speaker 4:I was actually working on it whenever while I was in a waiting room, and so I was trying to watch everything, so that I didn't start leaking it out, because I was just sitting here mixing on it and finishing it up.
Speaker 3:Oops.
Speaker 1:My bad. If you guys can tell me anything, give me a hand about what it's about.
Speaker 2:It's about trying to be an artist and you never make it. It's a truth that needs to be discussed more. It actually goes into the point. Like we spoke earlier on the phone, all three of us was on the three way we would speak. We discussed about how the industry is saturated and it's just impossible. It's mathematically. There's just not enough money in America for every one of them to be famous. It's just not possible. Now.
Speaker 2:Every one of them can have their moment. Maybe not every one of them, but a lot of them. If they stick it out and stick with it, it does pay off. It will. You can do anything you set your mind to. It does pay off. But a lot of people, you know, for financial reasons, life situations, they can't stick it out that long and so becoming an artist full time, you know, doesn't happen for them. You know we're not happy for us, but we are in a position right now where we feel like we can write about this and especially, it'd be relatable. Yeah, and that's why the name of the song is Never Made it.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean Jelly Roll. Before he signed, he was an independent artist, actually, and it took him 20 years to get to where he is.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:And he has a fascinating story actually.
Speaker 4:You know people like us. We knew Jelly Roll like pre. You know, save me.
Speaker 3:Like way before that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but yeah, shout out to Jelly man. Because you know, when I play these shows and there's only like three people there, you know what I mean. Like everybody's been there. You know what I'm saying and I actually I get compared to Jelly Roll a lot for the content of my music because I don't, you know, it never made it as a perfect example of the love of the music and not giving it up. And so, like I have the curse and conviction of believing in the music that I put out, believing in the content, like not just making the music to be famous but to make the music for that connection, to make the music to change those lives, to tell the story that the next person can relate to and, you know, to let somebody know that someone's been where they been and they feel how they feel. Because you know, we as human beings like to be terminally unique. We like to think that we're the only ones with the struggle and we're the only ones with a story, and it's just, and that's not the case.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:That's so true. It is so true. I see patients like all the time in the music world that who, if somebody, knew their story. It's just unbelievable what people have gone through and they're still doing music or they've gone through and they've dropped out. That breaks my heart. That literally breaks my heart.
Speaker 4:But you know, I had a one of the things that I've heard, one of the most like mind altering facts that I heard in my recovery that stays with me to this day. As someone told me, don't give up five minutes before your miracle, people will push and push and push. And she looked at me and she said you never know what the universe is having to arrange in your favor.
Speaker 1:We had to talk about that, didn't we? Ryan?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we called it God.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's right. I mean, you're exactly right. You, you know you talk about people that's been there and it's like everybody has a story and it's to the point now to where it's like nobody is really interested in your story because everybody has one. But the but. What separates the real from the fake is, you know, you can look at me, you can look at Jacob, you can tell we still have PTSD from the situation in our lives. Maybe that's why we went through what we went through, so we can talk about it and help other people. You know what I'm saying. Let you let somebody know. Hey, it's okay, you're not the only one that you know is going through this. You know, that's why Jolly Roll is really big right now, because he does kind of make this recovery music, and Deco does too. You know, I would consider call it recovery music, which which might wind up being a genre in itself. You know, you never know. I mean recovery.
Speaker 4:Well, I also, I also do a lot of like, I like to touch the raw nerve of what's underneath it, because the gateway drug is trauma, Right? So, yeah, I like to. I like to very much be raw and expose and talk about you know what I mean Like all of what's underneath the suicidal the, the abuse, and you know, tell that story and and I and I do that, and I do that unapologetically, yeah, I think we should be honest with with our music.
Speaker 1:We shouldn't sugarcoat it, we shouldn't. Man Alexander, I forgot her name, Alexander K. I hope I'm saying her name right. She talks about like how she had to pretend everything was okay in her marriage and I think being in the South, I mean, or anywhere, sometimes, even in America it was taught to us to cover things up like hide your feelings.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:And you know she, she came out with songs about what she was going through and she said, hey, y'all, I covered this up for a long time what was happening in my marriage. It wasn't right. And she talks about you know, the cheating and the abuse and everything, and and getting over that and trauma and and and and I think that's very relatable to people because it does make us human.
Speaker 4:And I think it's very important too for that very reason, because, you know, I was like sworn to secrecy and everything was the secret and I was under threat that you know, if I told them things were going to happen to me and my family and all this. And so somebody else out there that's in that same place. Yeah, you know what I mean. I know that they're not alone, because I felt very alone and I felt, you know, like all these different feelings, but I think it's very important to bring that to light because everybody wanted you know, every.
Speaker 4:It's been a generational thing, right? Yes, we should under the rug and put a smile on your face and let's not talk about Uncle so-and-so and you know and oh well, you know he's just crazy and and it's like it's dismissive and and and so to bring that out to light and push it forward and say, no, these things happen and there has to be something that we can do about it. Because now you look at this new generation and everybody makes means about it and we talk about it, but we're not talking about how we got here.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, what we had to go through, what we're dealing with, how we heal, how we're still healing You're right, though. That's, that's exactly it. We hit the nail on the head there, absolutely Y'all. I think this is a wonderful conversation to have. Another conversation we all talked about like you said, ryan was the music industry. Nobody wants to speak up about some of the things that go on in the music industry that we've all experienced. One of those things was distributing your music, how hard it is and how hard it's going to be next year. I know we've all seen videos on it. Let's kind of dive into that, because I think that's important for the independent artists. Let's talk about that.
Speaker 2:Will it go back to what I said earlier, that what the fan sees is not a perceived reality? My first, my first manager. Shout out, harvey. Shout out Roadhouse Barbecue and Grill Social Mississippi Best Barbecue on the Coast. Ask Haysette.
Speaker 2:He used to say it's all smoke and mirrors. That's all he said. If I can't convey to you anything but this one thing, it's all smoke and mirrors. And I'm seeing that like.
Speaker 2:For instance, you know I released a single about two weeks ago. The name of the single was Flip Flop and it started to get some traction on TikTok. I had somebody make a TikTok with it and it I don't know where I got 11,000 views, but the distribution company took it down and you know there's a whole story behind that that I won't get into. But now I have to deal with that. You know what I'm saying. I can't release music and it be left alone. And if it's not this, then it's Facebook getting us a copyright ban on our own music, music that we record. You know they'll mute it, you know what I'm saying. Or hit us with a copyright strike and by the time we do it, and when the appeal, the post is over and done with. You know the song is, you know, doesn't have the traction. It's all about traction. That's a very important word. Anything to release. If you release an artist, a whole artist, if you don't have traction, then it's just not, it's not going to work. Take it down and come back, revisit and start over, because traction and so you know, I thought it would be a good idea to bring Jacob on tonight and talk about this next single, because I'm moving on.
Speaker 2:You know they took it down. I'll deal with it or I won't deal with it, what I'm pretty sure they also did. Spotify hit me with a very long. I mean it was like a test I had to take, with questions at the end of it for them, because I was accused of buying streams. At first I thought somebody was purchasing streams, but that'll hurt an artist's career. If you purchase streams for that artist and bought streams, you're hurting that artist. So, but then I realized that this single flip flop had been taken down and I started to put two and two together and it's like oh okay, I can't tell you. You know the, the arguments that's come from this, the you know the long angry text messages that's come from this. All week been having to deal with this, you know.
Speaker 2:So that's the music industry in a nutshell. That's what you know we're having to deal with, but it's a very select few people also that you can trust, like there's nobody really you can trust. I like working with Jacob because I can trust her. You know what I'm saying. Everybody's trying to get to the top of the mountain. They're trying to become a celebrity artist Everybody, and you know that that's. But if we all realize that we all have something unique to offer, nobody your spotlight. You know you're not trying to take somebody else's spotlight. We're all unique and we're on our own way. You know fans listen to multiple artists. They don't listen to just one artist, you know.
Speaker 4:And so I think that truth, I think that needs to be preached a lot more too Well, and I make music for the music, I make music for the connection, um, and so, like God is an action, right, so you have to seek God or whatever, and the way that I find God and the way that I find purpose is through the connection, and a lot of that is through this music, and so that's why I do what I do. I do it because I have to do it. It's something that is not just what I do, it is more than a part of me, it is me, and so, from that, I never do bad business. I'm in this for the people and I'm in this for the artistry, and I'm in this for the message, and so I choose to not do bad business.
Speaker 4:I think what we're starting to see, though, is gonna be the fall of a lot of things, though, because so, if I put a video on TikTok and I wanna promote something new or whatever, whatever, I have to attach a sound to it and use my song and put that sound on there and turn it way, way down. But you can't turn it all the way down, because it'll take it off or they'll hit you with that copyright and they'll pull it down and they'll mute the video, and all of that and like.
Speaker 4:I own the rights to my music. I own the publishing to my music. I have a publisher's license, I register and we don't care, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:We're not finna, sue nobody, Right.
Speaker 4:Right, I mean listen man like I do good to have the studio. I mean what I would like bring us somebody to court, man, we're gonna Walmart. You know what I'm saying. But, like, at the end of the day, it's the more of us that are out here with the business end of it together are going to start dismantling what's trying to be done to us as well. You know what I mean. So, like, the more that I have my right business mind involved in it and I say, no, I'm registered with the Library of Congress, that's my song. No, I own the publishing to that song, I own that song outright, that song is mine. Then you know what I mean. Like you start to break that cycle of well, we can just depress you. We can just depress you. We can just you know what I'm saying we can step on you, and so the more of us that there are that have the business end of it together, the better off we're gonna be, because there's gonna be strengthened numbers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's definitely a business end, like I would say the purpose, music driven, you know talented, whatever it may be, playing the piano, you know. Artwork, whatever you know, whatever it drives you, definitely that's the cause, that's what you wanna do it for. But then, unfortunately, there's also this other side, called the business side, and you know it's there, whether you like it or not.
Speaker 1:That's true. That is so true. I know that very well. I'm gonna help all my artists with that. Well, guys, I appreciate y'all talking about that. This is definitely a subject that we could do a whole show on, Absolutely. We could come back and do a whole show on this and I would love to, but I wanted to get into. Let's see, Ryan, you have some music you wanted to share with us. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:Actually, jacob had a song she was gonna perform, I believe. Okay, perfect, perfect. I had requested it, though.
Speaker 4:It's his song request, for sure.
Speaker 1:I like it, I like it. We're not to 1K streams yet. Just so y'all know, I'm looking at our timer. Anytime we get people and it's over 1K, it'll show 1K on the thing. So that's good. We have people looking at us from Facebook. I'm looking at my screen right now.
Speaker 3:Jacob, can you?
Speaker 4:hear me, I can't. So I pulled the Facebook and it's not showing me a live stream.
Speaker 2:Hi, big deal. Yes, I mean, I mean, I can't say something, because we don't got a thousand people.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:That's not funny.
Speaker 2:We definitely don't have a front of list.
Speaker 4:Yeah, for sure, the last show I did, it was the bands, the other bands that were playing, and that was the only people that were there.
Speaker 2:I mean I've been there. Yeah, you gotta have the mind of if it's two people or 200 people. I'm fixing to do my thing For sure.
Speaker 1:I'm actually gonna jump on live to my Facebook. I don't know why it's not working y'all. Sometimes technology don't work. It drives me nuts. It says it's working, but I don't see it either, and that is okay. This will be recorded and put up. But I'm gonna put the link up and then I'm gonna go on y'all's pages and put the link up while we have time. It's just us. It looks like that's okay.
Speaker 1:I once went to a show. I got invited to a show by Ms Tammy Carlos. She is Wei Jenning and Sam Lowe's manager and she is just a wonderful person. I look up to her a lot in this industry because she's been doing it for a while and she has her own company. But I'm gonna share this to y'all. When I got there, she looked at me and she said Mary, there's only five people here and he's used to playing in front of thousands, up to 5,000 people. Oh my gosh. She said this hasn't happened since he first started and I'll never forget that. Wei came up, shook my hand he's a great person and he said we're all the people. And I said I don't know. I'm sorry he goes, you're not promoting it. I said no, I'm Dr Mary Anderson. I came to see you, and so he still shook my hand and I said well, that's okay, I'll still play for him.
Speaker 1:I'll play for one person or five people, so I think that's a really good attitude to have, because you never know what happened that day. Was there an event Was? Did people get sick? Is there some kind of sickness going around? Do you don't want them around you? There could be a million different reasons why people don't show up.
Speaker 2:They don't bother me. Matter of fact, sometimes I prefer it. Actually, I don't mind. I miss being around a campfire with a guitar and like a couple of your buddies, I mean, for me that's kind of where this started. You know what I'm saying, so you know I'm not affected by it.
Speaker 1:True, that is true, man. I remember days when I was younger just sitting around a campfire just strumming the guitar, just singing whatever came to mind, and yeah, sometimes it's like that, what is the most people you'll have ever had, like what's the biggest concert you'll have ever been to, or put on, or anything like that.
Speaker 4:Listen, I've only done two shows of my own music and now I've done a lot of karaoke and I've done a lot of singing other people's music and whatever, whatever. But so I can't even answer that. I literally just started doing shows and it was very intimidating to perform my music because it's such a raw nerve. So I mean, I'm still there working on it.
Speaker 1:How was it to get up on that stage? What did it feel like for the first time? I don't think anybody talks about that. What did it feel like?
Speaker 4:So there were only like five people at my first show and I was absolutely like a deer in the headlights because you know, I'm butt-naked in my music and so it just I was like man, all these people are gonna see me and they're gonna really see me, and so I was pretty scared. I mean, I'm becoming more okay with it, but Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Any of you guys know Sierra Adams.
Speaker 2:That name sounds familiar.
Speaker 1:She has this song out. It's called Blank Fentanyl. Her sister died of a fentanyl overdose and she wrote a song about it. Yeah, and I think we know at least a couple of people all in our lives have died of drug overdoses. I mean I do.
Speaker 4:I have a song called One Last Song that's written for two of you know, the closest people I've ever lost. I think we should play Scars.
Speaker 1:I think we should.
Speaker 2:Yeah, run it yeah.
Speaker 4:I think Scars is an amazing song, so this was the first song that Ryan and I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it sounds awesome. I can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 4:Can you hear it playing? Nope.
Speaker 2:I gotta go see all my boys real quick, but I'll be right back.
Speaker 4:Sure, so y'all can't hear my audio, nope.
Speaker 3:I think, it's because you have the headphones on.
Speaker 4:No, it should be coming through my interface. I would think I thought.
Speaker 1:I can't hear it.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 1:Maybe, if you put it up, let's see if I have to adjust something. Let me look at my settings Audio, audio.
Speaker 2:Y'all get it figured out.
Speaker 1:You may have to put it up to your mic.
Speaker 2:If you got to do that, I would just. I wouldn't even play yeah.
Speaker 4:It should have all come through my interface.
Speaker 1:I don't know why it's not Technology today. Y'all it's messing up on us today, yeah.
Speaker 2:They want you to depend on it, but you can't depend on it. I mean, these people talk about technology, these new tech nerds. They talk about all the new stuff's coming out, the new computers and the new trucks, and how everything's gonna have a cell phone, like your vehicles will be able to provide you a Wi-Fi now, yeah, it's like I lose cell phone signal at least once a. I lose cell phone signal at least once a once a day. My text message is trying to mess my words up all the time. Technology fails us every day and it's like I don't know why they can't see that. You know.
Speaker 4:Well. I mean, you can't hear this at all.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:Dude, it's a hit that's bomb. Every time I stream with this like it usually will put anything that's going through my interface through. I don't know why it's not, it is.
Speaker 2:Huh, if he's going through the interface, it should work. Yeah, that makes sense. I Don't know why. No, neither man.
Speaker 1:I mean it says we're on live Facebook and Twitter and YouTube and it's not on this. It's just, I don't know. You know the, I don't know what you call them, but I don't know where it is a certain Internet, land, outer space somewhere. Who knows they?
Speaker 2:know big, good song, though, but I think I Think, um, if you really think about it, that song is also possibly a recovery song as well. The name of its scars. If you know whoever, whoever watches this podcast, if you post it, it would be worse going and looking up. Yeah and my name Ryan Woodcock bloodhound here at the bottom and type in scars on Google and and it'll, it'll pop up. So you know it's that hard to find.
Speaker 4:Chorus. I'll do the. I'll do the chorus, because now I mean, I really can't perform anything if my audio is not gonna stream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can find the song and play it sure, I mean I love the song.
Speaker 4:I think it's an amazing song. I listen to it all the time, you know, and somebody told me one time they were all you just in here listening to your music. Well, I don't, I mean I don't make music to not listen to it. What are you talking about? You know, I'm saying like I, if I don't like it in, why would I put it out? But I love the song.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's how you get better is listen to your music. Yes, right.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is true. Actually sung for Ryan and Kentucky boy. I don't know why, but I did.
Speaker 2:Yes, shout out, kentucky boy.
Speaker 1:He's gonna watch this later.
Speaker 2:He's gonna be like out. If you be on a shout out Kentucky boy, shout out, I'm gonna shout out Colt Montgomery, mississippi. Snow Cadillac Jones, let's shout out sweets on the beats, dixie tricks shout out you also that you you met rich regal to on. Shout out rich regal, he's the boss man. If I think anybody else, I'll shout him out too. You know, I'm just trying to think of everybody that at least has once shared my music. I know I've shared, ever I've shared all these artists music at least once. You know that's what?
Speaker 4:Why I'll give a shout out to mr William Bowser and let's see the, the official disher. He's helped me out a lot, a lot of guys. Man. Salman beats has helped me out a lot study show Kayla official.
Speaker 4:But like so, right now I'm working real heavy and tough with a producer by the name of Mozart and he is actually he's on one of the tracks with me. Well, he mixed the tracks and I did it as a remix and listen to them as an artist. But we're working on a project right now that's got some country rock vibes to it and so Big, big props to him because he's just coming through. I gave him a concept, I gave him a little voice memo and, man, he picked it right up and came through with the concept. He's an excellent engineer and I love working very closely with him and he gets it and he'll get right in there and He'll do whatever you need and he'll. You know I'm saying he's always down to work, man, and and I'm just I'm really excited for this project coming Mr Daniel Shores has agreed to work with me again and do some masters and so I'll have some of that coming through from him and so I mean I'm really excited for, for what I'm starting to push out next.
Speaker 2:Oh, out more cottage. I can't forget more.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I have not had the pleasure of meeting Markotic yet, but I've heard all about him from other people. Um, we kind of all know the same people. It's kind of Kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got it at work. You that's. You know that's one of the keys to success and anything selling real estate music. You got to get in that.
Speaker 4:Did you find that song? I did yeah. Yeah, that's that's the jam. Yeah yeah, the intro is long-winded. I don't like it.
Speaker 1:You, I could try to skip it. Let's see, y'all tell me where to start on this, oh.
Speaker 2:I don't know, you can just start it. I would just say let it play, yeah.
Speaker 1:Can y'all hear it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna grab some water real quick.
Speaker 4:I can't hear it now. I heard it in the very beginning. I love how the audio is not gonna work, man so good.
Speaker 1:This is just a day. I mean no, you said Can you hear this?
Speaker 4:Nothing huh Amen.
Speaker 1:I don't know it's what we're doing. Of course I mean the time we would all three get together and talk. Sure it wouldn't work, sure.
Speaker 3:Why would it?
Speaker 1:why Exactly? I can barely hear it. What's that?
Speaker 2:Um, I also want to give a shout out to haystack. I know people's gonna be like man, hey, sir, they're gonna watch them. I don't, I don't know, but I gotta give him a shout out. That's my bubba man. He's kind of you know that's a good topic to talk about. I want to talk about that for a minute.
Speaker 3:Hey, go for it.
Speaker 2:Talk about haystack. So you know, we talked today and last night and he brought up something Along the lines of if you delete haystack from history, who else does that delete? Like, if you take away haystack, what all artists go with. He even put it on his Facebook stories Up at the top. You know, if you delete haystack, who what else leaves? And so I know, because you know I remember late 1999, 1998, you know, I remember 2005.
Speaker 2:I remember how jelly were, jelly roll was introduced on the documentary that haystack put out with one of his albums. That sure was. That's how this, that's how the world Definitely the South outside of Tennessee, that's how we even knew who jelly roll was. Big smoke, you know, was basically staying with haystack, shout out big smoke. And John Connor was sending them beats and and smo was taking the country sounding beats, beats that haystack probably would pass on. He was taking those beats and he was creating country rap. You know what I'm saying. And then, from from that, john Connor linked up with them and then they went in and did what they did, had a TV show and all that stuff. I think it was on the Discovery Channel, the Smosh show. You know, I brabo Gator heard of him. You know another artist through haystack mark even more cotton. You know.
Speaker 4:So if you, if you take him out, then we lose a lot of talent man, I'm gonna tell you right now and people can think what they want to think about what I'm fixing to say. But everybody has a hard to love track and nobody did a hard to love until haystack did it. And I have one. I have one, you know I'm saying like in mine is Like so close to his because of how closely I've carried that with me.
Speaker 4:Right and so in like not everybody has a hard to love track and stat did that, yeah, I stacked, did that?
Speaker 2:that was a An influence. I mean he influenced the culture. You know what I'm saying? Right, definitely down here in the south, you know, at the very bottom of Mississippi, that's something else People don't know. Jacob is from picky you, mississippi, and I'm from Gulfport, mississippi. My sisters were born and raised, though, in picky you Mississippi, so to my family, but they go lives in Wyoming right now. Shout out big buck, be easy. That would be cool if y'all linked up. You know he could help, he could help out, but, um, we didn't start making music until she left Mississippi and went to Wyoming. And so we both know from growing up down here in the culture. You know, especially Hurricane Katrina era, you know I'm saying everybody was riding around up and down the streets on the job sites in their cars, bumping haystack. It's just the fact, you know I.
Speaker 1:Was actually down there helping Do medical relief and in Hurricane Katrina, that's some oh really I was a young nurse back then, um, where at I went to several different cities. I remember being drug everywhere. I mean Towards the bottom, the coast them.
Speaker 3:Oh midway.
Speaker 1:If you go like gosh I remember this like it was yesterday. I remember where all the flood waters were and having to go by boat and then, like you go up from that and it's like just total destruction and people were like cleaning the streets. And then you go down it's like, oh my goodness, that just that left an impression on my memory.
Speaker 4:No yeah, katrina was tough Like I was. So I was in jail on a 29 charge indictment Bearing Katrina. I was released the day it hit because, listen man, the jailers did not want me in the jail and stuck in the jail. I know, I'm telling you that like God's honest truth they dropped my bond to $150 on those 29 counts so that somebody would come get me and I got out of jail and that night Katrina hit and I was, literally, listen man, I was homeless.
Speaker 4:I was, you know, out there living that life, and so we rode Katrina out in a car actually for, yeah, for the beginning part of it, man, and then was outside for the second, like the second half of it during the daytime. And I remember standing out in the yard, man, and trying to just make it from one place to another and that you could just hear the tin like just flying by you, man, like, and there was water up past my knees in the yard and watching the tornadoes drop out in carrier, because I was out in carrier. It was crazy, yeah, like, katrina was super tough. And then it took me like almost a week just to get out to my mom's house, which was only like a few miles away.
Speaker 3:Man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was. One thing I remember is that it took us days to get from one end of the city to the next and the things that we came across. Of course, me as a medical person, when somebody drowns in there, I'm not even going to tell y'all their bodies left out, it's terrible. Oh yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 2:You can tell I wasn't. I was in. I was in medical training for two years. So you know you're not going to gross me out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but some people watching this might I mean, you know, listen to what I'm saying, yeah. Man, what do you mean? It's supposed to be by music man.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's true. Yeah, Let me see if go ahead.
Speaker 2:I'm saying. If you're talking about, you know that death is just ugly in itself. I had to deal with it at a very early age, you know. I too. You know what I'm saying. I was in drug addict, ran the street. So drugs, the call to murder, charge at 19 years old, spent time in prison for accessory to murder, gang member, all that stuff, you know, and made it through all that I always wondered, like, when I talked to God, I'm like it would have made more sense if it would have been a rapper during that time of my life, during that period, you know that time frame. But for some reason, all of this stuff is happening now, after you know, I didn't marry, I hadn't been divorced, I got, you know, four kids, and so now it's like all that's coming through. And I think the answer to that question is because if I would have been a rapper, then I would definitely be dead. There, there's no doubt about it. I would be dead and you got to go through something before you can talk about it, give advice, you know, maybe relate to somebody, have empathy, have sympathy, you know, and so I hadn't went through that and experienced those things. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like you know, shout out my cousin Jesse Wilson they call him killer K, the biggest Latin king in the state of Mississippi. He's not even. He wasn't allowed in the Mississippi penitentiary system. He stabbed five guards, killed two of them. Now they letting him back. You know, that's probably because the prayers that my aunt, you know, probably sends out. But when we talk back and forth, when I write him in prison, when he responds back to me, I swear you could take his letters and turn them into a song. It's just, you know the mind frame that you have to stay in to live that type of life. You know, because I've served time in prison and you got to fight this institutionalization type of way of thinking.
Speaker 2:You know, and I talk about that in my music, the song me and Haystack did called Southern Land. Me, haystack and John Connor, we did a song called Southern Land. It's on my Cotton album and you know I talk a little bit about that. You know what I'm saying. And but if I know, if we could have music, if we could get the music to play, we'd play it. But I guess we can't get the music to play. Is that right?
Speaker 4:But so the chorus is all the times I thought that I wouldn't make it out alive. There were angels watching over me and it was painful what they had to see.
Speaker 2:We all like brave to swing set anything in life, guaranteed it's safe. Be a little leery and understanding. All my theory of my love got sticky in her stick Got, yeah, I remember my friend.
Speaker 4:But guys actually found it. If I, you know, nice, if I, if I don't think about that too, man, if I had, because I went out to California actually and lived in Modesto for a couple of months and was going to try to, you know, root my music then and there, and but if I would have, I would have had nothing good to be done. Nothing good would have come of it at all.
Speaker 1:California is tough. I lived out there for five years. It's really expensive. There's things out there that they don't talk about, but definitely you all want me to try to play it. Sure, all right, let's see if we can hear it. It's going to work this time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sign up for free, really.
Speaker 4:Sign up for free, but we ain't going to play the music because we're haters.
Speaker 1:Let me see if my phone has it. Okay, let me. I'm going to try it one more time. I don't give up, y'all. I do not give up.
Speaker 4:I just don't understand, because every time I ever stream and that's why I'm streaming here at the computer like everything that I play on my computer goes right through the audio, and tonight it's just not.
Speaker 2:No, we, we joking with everybody Y'all. If y'all want to hear the song, y'all got to go stream it, because y'all ain't listening to it for free. That's the only way we're going to let y'all listen to it, but don't don't listen to it too much, though, because Spotify will flag me and take it down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, too much because Spotify. So yeah, let's, let's talk about that real quick. So next year, spotify has a policy that they're fixing to, I guess in force, or whatever, and I might be stating it wrong, I don't know. This is just what I'm hearing. If you're an independent artist and you release a song on Spotify I think starting January and next year If you don't reach a thousand streams within a certain time frame, then Spotify removes your song.
Speaker 4:You know, I guess, but if you are put on a playlist and your song performs well and does get the thousand streams, they will flag that song and threaten to take it down.
Speaker 2:Right, which possibly could have what just happened to me? I don't think so, but yeah, it's, it's. It's big corporations Stopping on the little, that's all it is if you, when you get down to it, you know Some people have said, oh well, you know they have to delete their servers. Their servers are getting forward, whatever, maybe so that that might be what they're hiding behind that fact, you know.
Speaker 4:Well and like and I think that's due to a lot of the saturation we were talking about, because you know what I mean Like it's become accessible for everybody to just put out music and so everybody does right and and tons of it, just tons of it. And I mean like there's, there's I've been thinking about even pulling some of my older songs that don't even perform well or whatever, and just go ahead and pull them and take them down, you know, and push into these new projects. But I mean For the, for the love of fame, everybody, everybody, everybody's just doing music and they're just plugging Music and just throwing music out in it. It doesn't matter what it sounds like, it doesn't matter what they're saying, it doesn't. You know what I mean? Like none of it, a bunch of it, doesn't even make sense, like you can't even make any sense out of it, and they just will repeat the same phrase five times and and I don't understand it. But I mean that's not for me.
Speaker 4:Billions of strings, yeah, tons like. Listen, man, I'm telling you I'm making the wrong kind of music.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I get it. You know we want to support everybody. You know I'm saying I get that, but you got to admit, as an artist, it is become saturated and, um, there's some pros with that but there's also some cons with that, you know. And I think the Spotify thing possibly might be one of the cons of it. You know, uh, and everybody loves music, you know, but Not everybody's called to do it. It's just right. Just the fact it's kind of like our song made it. You know what I'm saying. Uh, it's just when you, when you love something so much and you want it so bad, I truly feel like if you set your heart and mind to it, you, you can accomplish it, but it's probably best to just do your calling. If you're not called to do music, then it's, it's, it might I ain't saying it won't happen but if you're not called to do music, then you're living your life for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 4:Well, it's something else that's gotten really hard and and that I don't like about this industry today is how everybody is now a music critic and everybody wants the perfect mix. They want the perfect voice, they want you know what I mean. And it's like, dude, you're literally sitting in the floor of your living room on tiktok hating on somebody you know, and so I got. I got into it with a bunch of guys one night and alive, because I made the references like okay, well, two pot didn't have. You know I'm saying like perfect pitch and nothing. Like we didn't fix his vocals and janice Joplin was all raw vocals and they're like you can't compare yourself to legends. Yeah, you think you think that people didn't start somewhere? Do you think people didn't? You know what I'm saying? Like come on, man, are you serious right now? And so that's how you want to edge out your competition is to completely destroy a raw performance because it wasn't perfect. Or you want you know what I'm saying because you see that the threat in that person, so you want to edge them out, you want to make them look bad, you want to, you want to tear them down and like I don't understand it, because it's like, dude, you're literally. I mean what and what are you doing? You're doing the same thing that everybody else is doing and you have no you know like. But they act like.
Speaker 4:They're these music aficionados, because everybody gets on tiktok and pays them 45 dollars to to play their song on. You know I'm saying like dude, these dudes that do this music, I'm in the wrong business for real, because they make dude. I've seen dudes make more than I make in a week in one night of music reviews because people will pay them 50 dollars a song, play their songs. And they'll play like four songs, yeah, like, and then you know what I'm saying and they'll sit there and critique all this crap. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:And then everybody gets into comments. It tears down a good artist, but somebody that's in there not even making any sense, that's saying the same three words 15 times in a row, that's, that's a dope song, and so like I just I don't fit in there and I like I'm not sure what my niche in music is, but you know what I'm saying like I'm too stupid to quit and I don't believe I can give up now, being as invested in it as I am. You know what I'm saying and like it being a piece of me, but it's really really hard to think that I have a place in this industry when everything is is now structured like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean and I'm not saying that at the beginning of when I started to release music, that I didn't release anything I shouldn't have. I was in there today deleting videos off of youtube and and I have certain artists that come to me and, when they tell me, shout out uh, kody lane. When they come to me and they like, bruh, you need to delete this song, bro, you need to take this up. Bro, that video looks like garbage. Take it down. You need that. You need that person on your team. You know what I'm saying and sometimes, uh, a troll can be that, but it's like when you're coming from an honest position, like bro, I'm telling you this to help you, that's different than coming from a position of just hate out generally.
Speaker 4:But people, people want to Disguise like you know I'm saying snakes will, will Slither around in the guys Constructive criticism. Oh well, we're just trying to tell you that to help you. You know what I mean. Because dude's like, oh, this one vocal over here was this much out of out of key and but nobody cares about that Shit. What are you over there See, sorry, not like nobody even cares about that.
Speaker 4:You know I'm saying like you're over there saying that for no reason, because People are not. You know what I mean. Like I have to literally just come off of a mix Because what I'm hearing nobody else is gonna hear. Nobody's gonna listen to one of our songs and be like man. Did you hear that pee? That bloodhound said when he said I want to? You know, nobody cares about that and we want to think that they do. You know what I'm saying. But like they don't. But I mean like People say all of that, oh well, it was out of key whenever you said such as such a line. Who cares? What are you talking about? So now I don't have a good song because you heard me flat one note in a phrase Get out of here, man. Like I, just I can't vibe with it.
Speaker 2:Oh, dr Mary, didn't you? You can you song to me on the phone? What was that yesterday? Yeah, okay, so she sings Patsy Klein. You feel like singing a Patsy Klein? Yeah, I can I?
Speaker 3:can.
Speaker 1:Okay, my audience has heard me sing it before and I. What you don't know, j Co, is that I was in the hospital for a long time. I just got out and they put a tube down my throat to help me breathe and it damaged some of my vocal cords and I Didn't have a voice up until two weeks ago and they they told me hey, mary, your voice may not come back, you may never be able to sing, and I was scared. I was scared so bad, woke up one morning, I was praying about it and and Now it is. I mean, but I do have to see a lung specialist and a lot of my viewers know my story.
Speaker 1:But Back in 2020, when I had COVID, same thing happened. I was in the ICU when they didn't have treatments for three months. They told everybody I was gonna die and I made it out. So there's always a reason for that. But I'm glad to have my voice back and I know Ryan shares a Story about what he went through. But I'll be happy to sing. Just know it might be a little little bit off-key because I'm having to go through Some vocal lessons and and the specialist yeah, I can, I can see it now.
Speaker 2:User 147, 9711, 1425. Yep, that's it that's it with the picture.
Speaker 1:I'm glad we can all laugh about this Because it's happened, all of us. Yeah, prince of Booboo, lauren, I had my friend Lisa cracking up at that. Who you talking to? I don't know. Some Prince of Booboo she's, I don't know. I was giving a million dollars. Yeah, all right, here we go, here we go. I'm gonna get something to drink real quick. By the way, I recorded this song and it will be out next year along with Also and maybe, maybe, something to do, I don't know.
Speaker 1:a friend decides he wants to do something with me, all right, I go out walking after midnight how did the Starlight?
Speaker 3:just like we used to do, I go out walking after midnight searching for you. I see the weeping well, oh, crying on his pillow. Maybe he's crying for me. That's the night when whispers, the night when whispers to me. I'm so lonesome that I could cry. I go well, walking After midnight out in the starlight, just like we used to do. I go well, walking after midnight searching for you.
Speaker 4:All right nice.
Speaker 1:That was 20 years of not singing.
Speaker 2:Well. Well, I appreciate being on here and stuff I got is six o'clock. Didn't you say there's a? You wanted, if we had any Questions, that we could ask you some questions?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, y'all want to ask me some questions. You are welcome to I kind of turn it around and y'all get to ask me some stuff and then we will tell our audience goodbye.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, you was talking about the, an award show kid. So what, what? What was that about?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I had some people reach out to me me sometime in January there will be an award show, so I Didn't tell me what it was and I'm having to guess. But I don't want to guess. It's sometime in January we might get to be a red carpet host and then July the 28th, I believe I've asked you to go with me, right, but I'll be a red carpet host for the AMA's, the Alabama music awards, huge down in Alabama. Every state has one and and I'm looking forward to that. So I just attended the Josie Awards I'm a couple more word shows and it was an honor to be asked to be a red carpet host.
Speaker 3:Nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good question. You have any more questions?
Speaker 2:I know I'm pretty sure Jacob has a question, but that's it. I will say shout out Bryson Gray, shout out Tyson James. They just come out with a song and he just popped up on my Instagram. That's why he you know he loves to debate me. We had this big debate on Twitter, me and Bryson Gray, and it's like, look, dude, whatever you believe in, you believe in that's fine, but he does make good music. So I want to shout out him. Oh, I was just, you know. Hope you have a good night.
Speaker 4:You too. I don't really have any any questions, to be honest. I mean you know, but I appreciate you. Let me come on. I enjoyed this very much and I mean Hopefully we could, you know, saying we just meet, reach as many people as we can with this music.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. It was an honor to have you both on. I look forward to hearing any collaborations you guys do and anytime you release something, you're welcome to come back on my show You're always a part of my family now and tell the audience about it, have a show about it. So yeah, absolutely. Thank y'all so much.
Speaker 2:Look out for never made it by Ryan Woodcock and Jacob. It's got Kevin Gates in the beat leading us into the song, so he's kind of like a slash type featured artist on the song. So y'all just be on the lookout, for that name of the song has never made it. I.
Speaker 1:Look forward to it. Everybody Ryan Woodcock and Jacob the architect Thank y'all so much. Thank you Y'all have a good night you.