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Embracing Stillness: Vanessa Poirier on Navigating Stress, Finding Abundance, and Cultivating Ease in Life
Join me today as we venture on a deeply personal and profound journey with Vanessa Poirier, a woman who transformed her stressed and overwhelmed corporate life into one of purpose and joy. We're about to unravel how she navigated burnout, pandemic stress, and the heart-wrenching loss of her father, discovering solace and clarity through the power of stillness and meditation. It's an inspiring story that will open your eyes to the potential for transformation that resides within us all when we dare to fully embrace stillness.
We'll explore the concept of ease as a more potent and effortless path to manifesting abundance in our lives. Vanessa shares her insights into understanding resistance as a signal to slow down, gain clarity, and question our circumstances rather than a hindrance. We’ll discover that taking a moment to slow down is not as challenging as it seems, and can lead to greater insights, heightened awareness, and a more joyful life journey. So, buckle up and gear up for a transformative conversation with Vanessa Poirier, one that holds the potential to change your life as you navigate stress, find abundance, and bring ease into your existence.
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Hello friends, welcome back to the Claim, your Awesome podcast. Today I'm so excited to share a beautiful conversation that I had with my friend, vanessa Poirier. Vanessa helps working moms ditch the burnout and the overwhelm and the stress and guide them to more clarity and success in their lives, and today we really dive into how to start to ditch these ideas of overwhelm and stress and how do we actually begin to do that. I think this is a conversation that anyone can resonate with. We all want to create more ease and space and intention in our lives, and I think there's a lot of really good nuggets here, so let's dive right in, all right, vanessa? Well, I'm so excited that you're here today. You are the second podcast guest, so I'm just super excited because I know we've gotten to connect a lot, kind of through our own coaching journey, so I'm so happy to have you here.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited. And number two Woohoo.
Speaker 1:Good, good, good. So I would love so. With this podcast, I really want to just support women in seeing that it is possible for them, no matter where they are right now, to choose themselves, to choose joy, to choose a path for themselves. That's really exciting for them and that really lights them up. So I would love for you to share, kind of, how you've gotten to this journey, yeah, just any of your own insights. I just think it's so helpful when we share our journey that it's not all like super easy and rainbows and this, and that that it helps pave the way for other women to do the same. So, yeah, I'd love for you to just kind of touch on that a little bit.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful. I love the focus of this podcast. It's amazing, yeah. So I was reflecting on this this morning and just it's even difficult to put myself in the shoes of, like who I was before and so, but to convey, like, the story of the message. It's like you gotta, you gotta, go back there, and it's so, yeah, so I'm gonna bring us back to what was it 2020.
Speaker 1:The infamous pandemic here.
Speaker 2:Well, actually I'll give a little bit of more insight to that. So I worked in like corporate for like 15 years in finance and mostly like finance I started, but mostly in HR and in like high corporate places, and I struggled in my career. I was constantly comparing myself to others. I was chasing like the next title, the next like big pay and especially in HR, like because I have everyone's information.
Speaker 2:Like literally I'd be like, oh they're this old and oh they have this many kids. Oh they're at this title. Oh their resume, oh I see where they've gotten. Like comparison was like bad. And then, getting in, like into my 30s, it like people started getting into like management roles and everything like that and I was really comparing myself that I just wasn't there. And then I felt like clock was ticking and I was like when am I gonna have children? And I don't know how I'm gonna figure this all out.
Speaker 2:And then I had just jumped to a new position, a new company, and for like a 20k increase, like lateral move though, but that was like a lot of money says like whatever, it's going to be lateral. The money meant more to me and I was like whatever. And they had like great benefits for maternity leave and all that stuff. And in my the back of my mind I was like you know what I'll just, this will be a good if I just decided to go the motherhood route, and what if I don't become a manager like in this and that? Because I really just wanted to lead, like I knew leadership was within me and I really wanted to rise, but for some reason I was really just holding back, waiting for someone to notice me or like be given the baton, basically, and so that was like my mind frame, like before and then. So, yeah, I had my first kid 2018 and then got pregnant 2020. Like two weeks before the whole world closed down. I was like, oh my God, I'm pregnant and everything's closing down and that was scary.
Speaker 2:Like what is happening and yeah. So then, like everyone else, we worked from home. At a year and a half year old, running around with me. My husband was like cross each other, yeah well and being pregnant right.
Speaker 2:And being pregnant yeah, like so tired, so sick, like, and like scared of everything, like everyone. And yeah, it was a rough, rough go for a bit. And then I had my son, my second, in November, so late 2020. And then, two months later, my dad passed away. Yeah, so like already with like the overwhelm, the motherhood, the job, how are we going to do this? The world, like that part just hit me Like I was like, oh, what is life about? Yeah, like that really woke me up, like I was, I felt like the whole time during the pandemic I was just like holding tight, like I don't know what's going on. I don't know what's going on. I feel like so stuck. But that was also like representative of what I was living before, like so many of us.
Speaker 2:And then, um, yeah, so at two months old so I was hardly sleeping, I had like a two year old and I had no space to grieve and I just like I had to just like let go somehow and I'm what I've been told as a unicorn from another couch before, because I just jumped into like action of just like getting support. So I joined this meditation group. Um, I like, well, they say when like family passes and stuff. Like the veil is very, very thin and like I was receiving really beautiful messages from him. Like we didn't have like the best relationships, I had lots of guilt and shame, and but it just like the most beautiful messages from him and I was just like in awe and I was like just really feeling into the universe, like into like we're just so much more, there's so much more here for us. And he passed away suddenly right, I didn't say that, but suddenly, at the age of 60, he just turned 60. Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:And so the suddenness of it too, and just how young he was is, like, also affected me as well, and then that our relationship wasn't that great and yeah, so I just leaned into spirit more and connecting with that Cause, it was like I felt like that's all I had, yeah, and it's like I don't know what else to do here, so let's just lean in here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. That's so beautiful and I love that. You know you were kind of like I'm just gonna let go because that's all I know how to do in this moment and that's like all I can and like leaning into spirit. And I love that you bring up meditation, because I said this on other episodes like that is like just so powerful and what I preach all the time, like if you are not meditating, like don't think it's so intimidating, it is just like the entry into just something so much like more beautiful and easier and better and sweeter.
Speaker 2:So yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that you shared all of that. So when then, did you so you had so much going on like, not only was it like just the pandemic, but you're like a mom to now two kids, like one being very little and like dealing with the grief of your father passing, what then kind of was impetus? You started to say like yeah, like I know clearly there's something more and something bigger for us. So is that what kind of then led you on this like path, obviously, to helping you know working mothers now, or what kind of brought you to coaching Cause? It's, yes, definitely a different leap from HR. I guess sometimes they can go hand in hand, depending on your company culture.
Speaker 2:But yeah, it was the meditation that really opened the next path for me just becoming quiet, connecting with my own energy, my resonance, just the stillness, just because everything was so chaotic outside of me, I just somehow I don't know why I just followed it. It's like I just need to stay inwards and I kept building that muscle and I was, like I said, in a group setting. So I had a teacher and there's probably like eight of us of a small, intimate group. It's very nice just to explore like everything and connecting with our higher self and things like that.
Speaker 2:And it took me a while I think like three months to get like, start getting like any messages and things like that. And then once I started like really seeing that like everything is inside you, yeah, yeah, and all the messages are there, then I was like, wow, I love this place, yeah, and it was scary for a little bit, like trying to connect and just like, oh, it's not working. It's working, but you just gotta keep going, keep trusting. And I just kept following it and that just woke up so much inside me and then I was just forever changed. I was like, how come nobody told me?
Speaker 1:I know right, Like why don't they like teach this? Like there should just be a year off of school between high school and college, Really, I think even before high school or while kids are in high school, probably, but especially between high school and college. Like what if everyone just had like this beautiful like year, this gap year of just like self exploration and like mindfulness and meditation, and like just, oh my gosh, it'd be so beautiful. We'd have this like world of these very conscious leaders and people. And I am like totally digressing, but it's like I also recognize that I believe everything happens as it should and like the experience that we're all having is how it's meant to be. But yes, like why didn't I learned this earlier? Why didn't we learn this earlier? It's so good, it's so good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is so good, but I think that's the journey we all have to take and like the things line up a certain way right, it all works out for us. And it was just such a beautiful path for me to finally come like home to myself and it just it opened so many things for me. Like I just completely changed my mind about how I perceive the world and what I wanted to do and what impact I wanted to have. And I knew it was gonna be scary because it wasn't like my old self, like I'd be like counting like my bills, how much I'm gonna save for this, how much I'm gonna do for like. Just I was such a control freak too before, and now I'm just like that's okay, let's just live life. And I'm just way more free spirited and I'm like that's it, just go with the flow. And it wasn't like me too.
Speaker 2:So I was on mat leave while cause my dad passed away and then I was on mat leave, so I didn't go back to work Is what ended up happening for me, and I decided just not to go back to work. I was reading this book. It was Find your Joy. It was such a good and powerful book I forget. It's like Sonya, something that wrote it. But and here I got to like the last page and it was just like about finding your purpose and finding your path and I was like what am I gonna do?
Speaker 2:Like I knew that something was opening for me and I just knew I didn't wanna go back to the corporate world and didn't wanna have all those pressures. And then I got to the last page and I just closed it and I was just like I think I want to do this, like I want to coach people into finding their best selves, and I didn't even really know it was a thing. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:I just like came up. I thought I came up with it myself somehow.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:And then I started talking to my meditation teacher. I was like, oh, have you heard about this kind of stuff? And she's like, yeah, like I took like a coach anchor, so that's like when. I'm like, oh, I mean like that's how that works, ok. And then so she kind of opened my eyes to like other coaches in the world and I was like there's a whole entire world out here I had no idea about, and it was so cool to start like dabbling in that and seeing what's going on. And so then I just jumped in with both feet. I was just like, ok, let's try this out, let's go see what else is out there. And it's just been an amazing experience because I just feel like I'm just pushing myself constantly to do different things that I would never have done, and it's almost like the ignorance is bliss, it's like it's better if you don't know Totally.
Speaker 1:Just jump in.
Speaker 2:And then you just learn better that way and I had no idea what the whole industry was going to hold and it's just been so much growth, personally growing with people, like meeting so many people, that I never knew that I could meet all around the world. It's just the coolest thing. I didn't know we could connect like this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I totally agree, and I was having a very similar conversation.
Speaker 1:I love that and I love that you said that you knew something was opening for you.
Speaker 1:You knew that there was something bigger and you knew that you didn't want to go back to corporate and you were just willing to be very open to exploring whatever that looked like.
Speaker 1:I would love for you to elaborate that on that a little bit more, if you can remember, because I think that a lot of listeners might be in a similar position where maybe they're in a corporate role now or just some role that they're not excited about. Maybe they're feeling called to, maybe they have an actual idea that they want to pursue and they're being called to that, or maybe they're just like I know there's something more, but I don't even know what that is or what that looks like for me. So I would love for you just to share how you navigated that, because that can feel very scary, either making the decision not to return to work and especially when you're like, well, I don't even know what exactly is next. So, yeah, I would love if you could just talk a little bit about how that looked for you and how you navigated some of the fears that you might have been having around that and when you really just leaned into whatever was going to be presenting itself to you, just leaning into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the course of just becoming more quiet and intimate with myself through the meditation, just really quieting the mind, was very integral in me finding my new path.
Speaker 2:And because I was just so overwhelmed, stressed, really lost in judgment and especially what I thought other people were thinking of me all the time trying to impress people in the corporate world and just, oh yeah, the climbing the corporate ladder and that's the only path in corporate.
Speaker 2:It feels almost and unfortunately now I recognize how close-minded that was that it's not the only path and you can enjoy your job in corporate.
Speaker 2:It's about how you hold your current situation and how you're holding the job. So now when I look at myself I'm like, oh, I could easily go back in corporate because I would hold it differently, because I'd be excited about the day, I'd be excited about what I'm infusing in my day, because every day I wake up and infuse what intention I want to go with today I follow the leading energy with that and it's just how I show up differently with myself and it's really hard to see that compared to when you're overwhelmed and stressed, and you can't get clarity when you're overwhelmed and stressed. So the slowing down is very important first of all, and when you start to slow down, you'll be able to start to connect with life, with the universe, with your environment, because you'll start noticing that, literally, it's so beautiful. I feel like God leaves us little crumbs, breadcrumbs, following us to our slow path, and they're there for you if you're ready to see them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that's so beautiful. They are there and it's just like when we choose stillness and quiet is when we can start to see, but we can't see when we're stuck in the busyness and overwhelm. And because you are also a mom, I would love for you just to share if you have any tips or what you did, Because sometimes it's so hard to even prioritize our own space, our own space to just be. And sometimes when clients come to me, that's the very first step. It's like you have to first prioritize nourishment for yourself, Because while I love the idea of self-care and I don't think there's anything wrong with self-care, like I love a massage as well and all of this but so much more powerful is this idea of stillness and quiet, letting yourself be through meditation, and it actually is so much less time.
Speaker 1:You can do that for 10 minutes versus driving somewhere, getting an hour massage driving home, Like it's actually so much faster. But how do you approach with some of your clients? Like helping them to prioritize that space and ultimately it's like showing them that they need to prioritize themselves. Because I think also when we're busy, you're like I just don't have any time, Like I have kids. My kids have activities Like there's just so much, Like I don't have any time, but it's like now you will make the time when you actually prioritize slowing down, like things actually get easier, but it's very hard to like. That's definitely something that has to be experienced, right.
Speaker 2:And we usually come into moments like me, like where my dad died.
Speaker 2:Your forest right, your forest. Yeah, I do like well, like I wanted the change so bad because I didn't want to continue being the way I was and I didn't want my relationships to continue. I didn't want to feel the way I was feeling at work. And you get to that point where you need, like you recognize that you want to change or you need to change, and then you start prioritizing, like what will you? Like things can seem really busy, but it's like what will you let go of? And when you really start thinking about it and talking about it, like yeah, I had a two month old. I had a two year old at the time and I jumped into this coaching course. I talked to my husband.
Speaker 2:The meditation course sorry, talked to my husband is like can I have one hour time Like this time to this time, and we made it work.
Speaker 2:Like so, like getting support right, like one hour once a week, and then I would do my meditation and I like, because it was so busy with a baby, you're only sleeping like two hours, like to me.
Speaker 2:I'm just like guys, I've done it, I've done it and some mornings just weren't working for me, like you're waking up every two hours in the night. So I would actually meditate at night is when I started. And so once I got the kids to bed because that was like steady for me, right, like get them at seven, I knew like maybe they might wake up, like after half hour or like an hour, like it happens, right, they wake up. But like I was like okay, like that seems to be the best spot for me, so like we get the kids to bed and then I would meditate and rarely would I have a disturbance. But then if it did, it did, I would just go with the flow. But that was like the best time that I could have, that I don't have children on top of me yeah, totally, and I can make some space for me. And it was 10 minutes a day to do my meditation, then one hour a week. I got support with my husband to make that work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and I love that. You, even though a lot of people say, like you know, meditation is great in the morning, that you chose for you what worked best was the evening and it still had like a clearly a profound impact on your life, and I think that it is so important that, like everyone just knows that they have to do what's best for them, like there is you know, there's so much talk about like do what I did and like, yes, there is some benefit in taking notice of things like the power of meditation or like the power of like working out and being consistent and showing up for yourself, but you have to do it in a way that fits into your life, right, because if you don't, nothing's gonna work. So it really only depends on if you're a morning person. Like when I, so meditation also led me to this path, ironically, and also during the pandemic, yeah, like things were just so crazy.
Speaker 1:But for me my daughter she was almost nine months, maybe a little bit older, but she was actually like sleeping kind of through the night at that point and getting up maybe around six. So I started getting up at four because I'm like then I can have two good hours in the morning of like just me time and I really needed that. So for me, like 4 am just worked. And now people are like, how did you get up at four? But it's exactly what you said. Like you can either stay where you are and be unhappy, be frustrated, irritable, like not having the relationships that you want, or you choose to make a change and not like it's gonna be easy. But I think, once you are in a place where this no longer serves me or anyone around me, like the change almost is easier, right, like, even though it's like, yeah, it was hard to get up at four, like it started to feel so good that it was so worth it. And I'm sure that you have a similar experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah, totally Like it seems any new habit takes a while to get to that point where it's just regular right and you just you gotta give it a go, like and see how it fits and like also just be open to like okay, we're gonna try this and we can tweak it as we go. And then even as a mother especially, it constantly changes because everything's constantly changing. Now I can't. I don't have any evening time to myself. My kids are up till nine, 10 o'clock, even because the sun is up.
Speaker 1:So oh, I'm right there with you, vanessa. I hear you, I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I know.
Speaker 1:I know I've actually kind of like thought about that recently, because once my daughter my daughter was a great sleeper until she turned two and now then she became like a terrible sleeper and yeah, they're up late and I feel like there's no consistent consistency and I always wonder, like you know, it's almost like I needed everything to happen when it did, because that's when I did have the space. And I'm always like curious, like now had things just been different? Like when would I have prioritized the time? I mean now, like obviously they're in school and I do obviously still meditate and all of that. But yeah, I don't know, it's just, it's always fascinating because I think sometimes it is hard because you feel like your every waking hour is spent with them sometimes, unless you know, except for when they're at school and you're at work or they're in daycare.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's with the seasons, it's like everything changes, and then that just goes with the say you know, own your season, right, and I'm just like, okay, it's summer and like I love spending time with them and staying up with and the sun with them too, no big deal, yeah, yeah, so I'm just going with it. But now, yeah, I do my me time is my workouts and my meditation in the morning, and I don't do that until I get the kids out. And well, no, I work out when they're sleeping and then when I get home, they just wake up and then I send them off and then I do my meditation when they're gone. Yeah, beautiful, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that I want to go back to. You had mentioned about like still being able to be happy, like now you could go back into corporate and you know that you would be able to be happy because you can like hold that. I would love for you to just talk about what that means a little bit for maybe people who, like, are new to personal development or kind of like new to some of like the inner work and just yeah, just kind of explain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just explain that for me it almost it's like when we're holding on to the energies of like the judgment and like the overwhelmed distress, like they're just so heavy. And so I've done a lot of work where I have really questioned what the stress is. I've questioned how I'm handling it, how I'm showing up, like what the judgments and projections of what I think people are thinking of me, what am I thinking about other people and really questioned those and really have found a path of lots of compassion for myself. First, I found when I found compassion for myself, it was easier for me to be compassionate with others, because there is just so much innocence in everything that we do and how everyone's going about. Like no one's really in my experience being intentionally malicious or anything and but we just think they are or our expectations of certain things like get to us. And then we become resentful, like I used to be very resentful about lots of situations in my family, lots of peers. I even oh, it was great, I had a.
Speaker 2:I met up with my old boss and we had some, we had a coffee and I even like talk to her about how, oh, I got really mad that you moved me off that project. She's like, well, I had to, I wanted to protect you. I didn't know she was protecting me and I was like I thought I was like I felt like a demotion to me and I was like, why am I not on that project anymore? And then she's like I was just trying to protect you. You're pregnant and like, and these guys were really like being rude and this and that, and I just wanted to protect, like, your energy. I was like, well, that's so sweet.
Speaker 2:I was like, but I was like, but I wanted to be the lead on that and you know, and you just don't really know, but like I would never have had that conversation before, but now I did, because I was open to it and like and it was just so healing for me to just even realize like everyone's just really like doing their best here and it's been, and now I'm now I'm just leading with having more of those conversations instead of like holding them, like, oh, what are they thinking? Oh, what do they really mean by that? And it's like, no, just open up. Just if you lead with like from the heart, just like, hey, what did you mean by that? Like from that caring place, that's like tone and everything, then you'd be surprised Like there's just so much more and I was just living and all that and it was heavy, really heavy, and now I don't carry that anymore.
Speaker 2:So now I'm just leading with, I have so much more space to lead with the things that I want to do, and I'm like curious about life and I'm intrigued and I'm like, oh, what's that? Like let's, let's, let's figure what that's about, because it's just fun and just it can be fun instead of feeling miserable and heavy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's so beautiful and such a beautiful reminder because it's like when we're stressed and when we're overwhelmed and when things feel heavy, most of the time is strictly because of our interpretation about something that, again, most of the time isn't even true, like it's our judgment about something, it's our interpretation about something. It's based on what we need something to mean so that we feel better or that we can prove that we are worthy of something, like so many things. So when you do any work around what those judgments are like, why am I thinking I need to be on this project? Why being on that project or not being on that project doesn't mean anything, nothing about you, right? Like inherently it doesn't mean anything about you. But I think so many of us like that's just how we're so used to going through life. So I love that.
Speaker 1:You said just how it can be fun and it can be easy when we drop the stories and we drop all of the attachments that we have to everything, because it's just, it's just not true.
Speaker 1:But it's like it's so hard to kind of come to that and I feel like for me personally, I'm in like a very fun state right now where I'm just like very curious about things and I'm just like I'm going to give it a try because like, why not? Like doesn't mean anything, right, like just have a little bit more fun. So, kind of in saying that I would love to hear, because I know that your like main focus is helping, like corporate moms who are really stuck and overwhelmed and burnout and stressed right now. So what are some of the like practical things that you help them with? And I don't know, maybe going from overwhelm to having more fun, that might seem like too big of a gap, like that might be like they can't even get to that point, but I guess what are some little things that you help them do and see just to like start to lessen some of that yeah, like overwhelm that they're experiencing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's why I love working with people one on one, because we use directly their stories, their situations. Because I also realized, when we talk about it like this, it seems like so big but specific examples always lead better. So, like just my example with my boss taking me off of that project, so I made that mean that I wasn't good enough and that she didn't feel that I could lead the project, that I didn't know enough, that I wasn't skilled enough and all the things. And it wasn't until, yeah, I started doing some questioning around it, seeing that there are just so many viewpoints of that situation, and it's like could it be? Like? Is that the truth? And when you start like really slowing things down and realizing that I don't know the whole story, but that's just how I'm viewing the story. And if I'm viewing the story and I'm believing that story, what is my reality?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah not fun Right, and I'm making my reality suck because I'm not feeling good enough, because I'm believing that she is treating me that way, and I held on to that for almost two years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that really weighs on you, right, and it's like that's what creates that feeling of discontent or like unhappiness because you're putting so much pressure on yourself so unnecessarily. I love that, such a beautiful realization. And, yeah, and I think that again, so often we don't like slow down or we don't even know that that's an option, right, we just like continue to go through life with these stories. And I love how you mentioned like that was your reality, but there's all these other viewpoints and it's so fascinating to me because your reality is and I'm saying you, but, like listeners, all of our realities are strictly based on, like, our own thoughts and judgments and beliefs, right, so your reality of that situation was polar opposite of your boss's reality of that situation, and she wasn't at home for two years, like stressing about that.
Speaker 1:So, and you were, so I just I think there's something so powerful in that realization because you're like, oh well, when I now like learn and know how to like upgrade my thoughts and, you know, figure out my judgments and etc. Etc. Now my reality starts to shift, now my reality gets easier, now my reality gets more fun, right, so, yeah, so it's just like kind of having that awareness and and yeah, just questioning, right, I think that's such a simple thing that anyone can start, can start to do. Do you find that women that you work with are like that it's kind of easy for them to almost step back from their experience, to question it in that way or is that like a hard kind of perspective shift to have? I'm always curious how I mean I know different people react and some people are more open to like inner work etc. So I'm always just kind of curious, like where people are at.
Speaker 2:So funnily, the world always mirrors everything to you.
Speaker 2:So I kind of attract people that are very like me or very much like I was, and so I find a lot of the mindset work really helps them open their mind and the perception to like the reality that they're living in.
Speaker 2:And that was exactly like a lot of the medicine that I needed to was just really realizing the way you're thinking and believing and when you shift, that it's seriously such a weight and like I've had, yeah, clients with just just a couple like mindset shifts, just like the way they show up in life.
Speaker 2:This has been completely different and it's just been such a crazy ride like the past year, because I'm seeing people, like most people think they need to quit their jobs and what's happening is that they're actually just the people I'm working with.
Speaker 2:They're just getting promoted or they're just getting paid increases and it's crazy how much you can shift and it's like and nowadays, like a lot of people do have the jobs that they do like, that they do have some interests in, and it's just how they're holding it and how they're being with their day and it just it's just been such a cool thing to see, to be like working with people and be like, oh my God, I just got a raise, oh my God, I got a promotion. I'm like this is just mind bending to me and all the time I'm like I couldn't go back to corporate and like I'd be okay, but like I love helping people get to where I wanted to be is like the coolest part now and like that's what I laugh about is like that I wanted the promotion, but now I'm helping everybody get promoted basically, and so I'm just.
Speaker 2:I said to someone the other day too, so I laughed. I was like you know what I promoted?
Speaker 1:myself. And isn't that funny. And it like it goes back to like once you find what you need inside of yourself, like you don't need it outside anymore. So it's like you for so long like one in that promotion need, like really felt like you needed that promotion to validate something you know inside of yourself. And then all these other things happen and you you felt then so lit up, you know doing your own inner work, that now you're like I don't need the promote, like I'm totally great just being here doing my thing, helping other people.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I love that and I also think it's so powerful because you've lived through that Like you've been on the other side, you've been the overwhelmed, like stressed corporate mom.
Speaker 1:And like you've been through that, you've done the work and now you're on the other side and it's like you need to have these experiences and go through it to show others that it's possible. And I love that you said that people can be happy at work and they don't need to quit their job. Because I think, for me, granted, I'm, I've always been super entrepreneurial and just like, always like loving a project and doing things. So I always have to catch myself because I'm like, no, you don't have to like quit your job and become, like you know, an entrepreneur to be happy, but I just love like creating and doing. So I always need to like check myself. So I'm going to remember you saying like, yes, you can be in corporate and be super happy, and like, yeah, because I totally get that. I think it's just, you can always have ease right when you like find it inside of yourself.
Speaker 2:I think for a while I thought that was the path, like I thought that like I needed to get out because I got out. But now I just realized my path was getting out to help other people stay in and like stay into their life Like they don't need to stand.
Speaker 2:I've had one client actually move jobs but like that that could be the course for them, Like that's fine, but it's just crazy to see that everyone just keeps like increasing like their salary or just getting more abundance, and it's just been. It's been really cool to see the pattern and it's been such a great reflection for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. That's so beautiful and abundance looks so different for all of us, right? And I think, at least for me, abundance is really like a. It's like a well-rounded view, like if I had all the financial abundance but not like the maybe like emotional well-being aspect or like spiritual abundance or abundance with like family time and quality time, like for me it's it is a lot of balance Granted. I'm also a Libra, so I know there's like a lot of me like just always wanting to.
Speaker 2:Are you a Libra too nice? I think I did remember that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, just like wanting to find that balance, but yeah, I love that and I think like abundance is available to all of us when we're finally open to like fully receiving it and letting go of exactly what it means, and that we don't have to compare and we don't have to prove ourselves to anyone you know, especially especially ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and exactly like you're saying, like it's just an inside, outside journey and like that keeps being reflected to me too through now, like looking back and reflecting through the whole process with you. It's just like, really, when you like, when you work with the inside of, like, it just starts showing up in your life and like same thing with my clients and stuff too, like we work on the inside, and just starts showing up Like it's it almost, is effortless, it's like it's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, sometimes I see on social media people kind of making fun of this idea of, I think, people who are a little bit more like in the spiritual like world, like you and I might be on like this idea of ease or things being easy, and I think that they have it wrong, Cause it's not I'm. You know, I don't think any of us are ever saying that you don't have to then do work or you don't have to, like, put effort into something. It's not about that. It's about how easy it feels because you know it's hard when you, you know, put expectations on yourself. It's hard when you're stuck in overwhelm. It's hard when you're like, stuck overthinking, or maybe you're stuck taking action, or stuck from taking action, I mean.
Speaker 1:But it's like the ease comes because you're just like willing to just like, let it be Right. You're letting just like it go with the flow. The ease comes from feeling really good and just at peace with exactly where you are. So, yeah, so I always, I always find that interesting. What is your perspective of ease?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's that it's no longer resisting exactly like you said what is here and, I think, what I see a lot when we're talking about, like the overwhelm stress for judgment, it's just like those are all just invitations again to get still. To get clear oh, so good.
Speaker 2:Because you don't know what your like, you don't know what you're resisting if you don't get clear about it, right? Yes, and I find when we start doing that, it just it feels hard to be like oh my God, I'm gonna question that, because it's like put it in your closet.
Speaker 1:You're like I don't wanna know.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna know and we like we fear the unknown. But yeah, the unknown is scary, but that's why I love working with people, cause it's like, no, let's do it together. Like I'm here for you, I can support you, it's not that crazy. Like we can do this together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love all of that and I think that right there's so much resistance, cause I think for so much of most of our lives, it's just like power through right.
Speaker 1:Like just keep going, whatever, and it's just like that doesn't like ultimately ever serve you because it's gonna come to a head at some point and it's gonna have to be dealt with.
Speaker 1:And, yeah, I just find that it's just way easier when you are feeling whatever, that discomfort in your body, like again, whether it's overwhelm or stress. I love that you said it's an invitation and that's something that I've gotten so much better about, cause it's like clearly I'm out of alignment right now. Like I wouldn't be feeling this way if I was like connected to my truth, if I was, yeah, like in full alignment, feeling really good, I wouldn't have that unease about something that and again, that shows up in so many ways. It could be like just frustration and irritability. I mean, it shows up in a variety of ways and I love that, yeah, you put it as an invitation to just bring presence to it and just question it, because when you do that, like there's so much wisdom in that and there's just like such greater insights that just like open you to new levels of awareness and like those are just like these tiny stepping stones every time, just for a path that's just so much more easy and joyful and abundant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and I think for most people, especially me, that I was the scariest part was like what if I slowed down? Like what is it? It's just that fear of the unknown, but it's not as scary Like I don't know how else to put it Like it's just not as scary as you think it is. Yeah, no, because it's like it feels big, but really, when you get it down, you can break it down. Yeah, and it's not as crazy as it seems.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no I love that.
Speaker 2:Just like anything, like you take a project, you gotta write down all the items you know. You gotta like figure it out, Like it's the same strategy, Like okay, what is it? It sounds big, but let's bring it down, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that's so good, and I think that you know we've just been conditioned for generations and generations to have to like exist in a certain way, and I think that that served us at one point, like in human history. And I think now the world that we live in is very different and it no longer like we no longer have to buy into the same ideas of what it takes to be successful and what that looks like and, I think, sounds like for you and definitely for me, like my old idea of success was so different, right, like yeah, climbing that corporate ladder and having like a certain title, et cetera, but who defined that that had to be? What like success looks like right.
Speaker 1:Like can't success. Yes, I understand we need to like make money and like feed ourselves and like have shelter and like the basic needs. But there are so many other ways to do that right and so many more fun ways and actually so many easier ways. When you kind of get past all the noise of again like the comparison and the judgment, that's kind of keeping you in that place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because when you're still having that too like for me to I wasn't even clear on my goals, like, and what I wanted to achieve for myself, because I was so lost in the overall stress and everything Like that was even hard for me to be clear on where I was going and what I actually wanted.
Speaker 2:So it's like feeling an onion the more you go the deeper you go, and when you get that clarity and that focus like it just it helps drive you into the goal, like so much better, it's so clear, you're like, oh, okay, I'm working towards this.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't seem like you're not attaching it to. Almost. It's like the title and the job and the money and everything is like your identity, like we attach it to our like who it makes like who we are. But like when we really strip all those things away, you realize that like who you are is just something so much bigger than that and then everything you're doing you're just doing it for fun.
Speaker 2:Like that's the fun again, like you're just building skill to get to that goal. Cool, that's a cool goal and we're building the skill because nothing can do with who I am. And that was a big thing for me to separate the two and I couldn't see it before because the stress and the overall was way too heavy for me to see it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is such a beautiful insight because I think so, yeah, I think so many people can relate to right being so stuck in the overwhelm that it's like there's not even space or time to see who you potentially could be outside of that, or like how you could get there, because you're just so caught up in all these stories that, like the mind has created and that's again where, like the meditation or you know if meditation sounds super intimidating just like allowing yourself to have some time to just be and reflect, and it truly is incredible just how those insights come through right, like once you allow that for yourself and once you open the door and like, again, the quiet and the stillness is just like opening the door to like let that in, and then you're like, oh, that's all I had to be doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now I'm just reflecting with that too, like it's like I almost had this pathway before. That was like I need to be this, I need to this title, I need this job. And then now it's like, oh my God, I wanna try this and I wanna try that. And the world is like there's so many cool things to explore and like it's just it was so much, like this was even just keeping me small just being the job of the title, like there's just so many other things to explore in the world.
Speaker 2:There's so many other ways to get there and it doesn't have to be that one linear pathway, that corporate world is pushing together Like it can be fun and there's so many other opportunities and it's like cool how the world responds to that too. It's like when you open to the possibility, then possibilities open. If you're just gonna keep on track with that one linear line and that's what the path is gonna be in front of you, it's just gonna be that.
Speaker 1:I love that. That's so beautiful. Yeah, well, I think that's such a great place to stop. Where can people find you online? Yeah, see more about what you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm on Instagram at hellocoachvanessa, and then I'm on LinkedIn as well at Vanessa Borrier, and it's P-O-I-R-I-E-R, so I know that's difficult to spell.
Speaker 1:That's okay. I'll include it in the show notes so people can find you there. So thank you so much, vanessa. This has been so fun and such a yeah, just such like a easy, and I hope that everyone that's listening realizes that it's just like these little bite-sized steps that you can take to get to a place that just doesn't feel so heavy and doesn't feel so stressful. Whether you're like incorporate, whether you're an entrepreneur or whatever, it is like just these little bite-sized steps to keep going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's the little baby steps that get you there. It's 1% a day can change everything, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that so beautiful. All right, well, thank you so much, Vanessa. I really appreciate you and appreciate you for being here. Thank you, I love this talk today too. All right, take care.