Hello and welcome to another edition of the Rouse Review. I'm the city manager, Dan Hoffman, and with me is Sarah Fry, the PIO. Hi everybody. And I've got some stuff to talk to you guys about related to tomorrow night's council meeting. Woohoo. Woohoo. Um, so first off, I'm very happy that, uh, we weathered, uh, Well, uh, last week, uh, you know, when you see all of the devastation down in, uh, Western North Carolina and Tennessee and all, and all through the South from Hurricane Helene, it really hammers home. The importance of. infrastructure, particularly stormwater infrastructure, because it's got to go somewhere. Uh, so that's something that, you know, I'm very glad that we weathered this literal storm, uh, pretty well. We did not get hit very hard, so there wasn't a huge strain on our system, but, uh, had that storm come in a different angle, had it come in from the East Coast and, you know, maybe come through the Hampton Roads area or up through North, yeah, the East Coast of North Carolina, and we got a little more, uh, Close proximity to it. Uh, you know, we, we, you know, we are in a place similar to those towns that you saw, uh, on the news. So I was very happy that we got through that. The city fared pretty well. We always prepare well for that. And now we're investing in that infrastructure. So that is great. Now onto tomorrow. So tomorrow, uh, we are, we're going to have the rare work session. Yes. With two items on it. Uh, first we are going to have, uh, you know, regular meeting first, a lot of some interesting stuff may, uh, is going to be on there. You're going to have some land use things. Uh, we're going to set the calendar. That's important. Yeah. It is important to set the calendar. Uh, and you know, A lot of, a lot of talk about eminent domain as of late. Uh, as you probably saw the article in the paper, if you're a local, uh, we don't often do it. We use it as a step of last resort. Uh, we first try to come to some kind of agreement. It is the Not something we want to do, but we got a few cases as of late that just happen to be occurring at the same time. Uh, one is, uh, that we have to address some slum properties, um, that have, are in such a bad shape that they may, uh, So if work happens to occur, uh, on street work, so it's got it. It's one of the things that has to be addressed. Um, and we are working with folks who may be affected by that. Um, so that's something that we were working with. Thankfully, one of the property owners has been, uh, reasonable and understands the city need and the taxpayer need. Uh, because at the end of the day, this is all of ours project. Beautifying the city. Is, and making sure that it has the amenities and the infrastructure it needs is all of our responsibility. So, yeah, we're using it in that case. Also, we are intending to use it, uh, to create a park. That has been City Council's, uh, policy position is that, uh, there is to be a park within a 10 minute walk of, um, everyone in the city We don't need to do add too many more parks, but we do have a location Uh for a park and it happens to be where we have, uh, one of the worst, uh properties in the city so our hope is that we um, and that particular owner has We are attempting to work with that owner to acquire the property But eminent domain, uh based on our legal history with that property is probably a route. We will need to go But it will clean up Possibly one of the most visible, visibly blighted properties in the city. Uh, at the same time, you know, potentially making a park. So, uh, we would love it if there was another way to go about doing this. Uh, but, you know, unfortunately, sometimes this is a step we have to take and this tool exists for a reason. So, uh, so that is, uh, maybe be discussed at length. We'll see. Uh, the other things that we're going to talk about are, uh, Much more upbeat. So first off, our legis, we're going to start the discussion, uh, with about our legislative priorities later today. Actually, we're going to discuss it in strategic planning committee. So the committee, uh, is going to talk about it first. And then tomorrow night it gets discussed by full council in the work session. So if you are interested in what our legislative priorities are for the year, uh, come on out, attend. Give your feedback. It's not it's in a work session So if you want to come and provide your feedback just do it during public comment of the regular meeting um You know our focus we try to focus in on some high priority areas every year Of course, there are dozens of things that we always track and monitor and are of interest to us in richmond But really this year, you know, I I believe our focus should be and you know We'll see what council has to say about it is public safety funding addressing blight Uh, the kind of blank that we just talked about, uh, as well as school construction, money for school construction. So those are gonna be, uh, and we're not building a new school, but we do have some renovation needs, uh, here in town. So I would, I would love to see Quas get, get its renovation. Of course, there's a whole boatload of HVAC work always, uh, to be done in the millions of dollars, uh, at, at school. So I wanna make sure that we have enough money to take care of that important. aspect of infrastructure. Uh, the other thing we're gonna be talking about is our green space, the proposed green space bank. And I'll start by saying it is not an actual bank. What it is a, um, not a literal bank. There's no teller. We're not building it somewhere. You could call it a fund, whatever. It is kind of just a fund that the city will have as It's a way to collect money from developers who cannot provide the green space that the current ordinance asks for. Right now, unfortunately, we do not get as much quality green space as I would like with the current ordinances. And the only alternative To, you know, approve other than approving or denying it is to provide a waiver and there are some projects and I'll use zero pack as as an example. Um, and a very important project for the city. A lot of affordable housing. Uh, it was physically impossible for them to hit their green space marks without just, you know, Killing the whole project that the land, the building, everything, it was not going to happen. It was all concrete. It was all concrete. Now the developer in that case has been very accommodating and has, uh, offered, you know, up alternatives to green space. Uh, and actually, well, we're going to be hopefully creating a park right across from there. So there are. We have developers that would like to work with us, but if the only option is either deny the project or give a waiver, there's no alternative. So we just give a waiver. That's, that's what we really want to get away from. Waivers, particularly because waivers over time, uh, are not applied consistently. You have different councils, you know, Different developers who, you know, may have better relationships to get things passed. It is, uh, it is very dicey when you start handing out waivers because you have no alternative. So, and we've been trying to get away from that in other areas too. So the Green Space Bank is a way for us to actually collect resources to put into our parks from developers. Uh, And still get the green space that we need so Uh, we're going to be talking about that. It got out of committee with um With a really great discussion. It took us a while and this we were not going to approve anything tomorrow night It's it's going to take probably a meeting or a few meetings to to get through but uh Great discussions at planning commission planning commission was supportive Um, the committee was the head committee was supportive So looking for the full council discuss looking forward to the full council discussion tomorrow night. That is our meeting You Uh, let's take a quick break and we're going to hear what's coming up next with Sarah. All right, everybody, welcome back. Now we're going to talk about what's coming up that you need to know about. There's a lot. So, Monday. October 14th, next Monday, it's Indigenous People's Day. Indigenous People. That means lots of schedule changes coming your way. First of all, city offices, the War Memorial Building, and the courts. All closed. All closed. Second, this is maybe the most important one. Anyone who typically has their recycling picked up on Mondays. It will not be picked up on Monday. It will be picked up on Wednesday. Yep. Which also means nobody's getting yard waste picked up that week. Yep. Yep. So just be aware. Check the website folks. It will be on there. Big Red Banner. Don't call and complain. Check the website first. Maybe we didn't do that pickup this week. It happens. There you go. It happens. Sometimes holidays move these things around, but all of this is found on our website, winchesterva. gov. Next up, it's officially spooky season. You can tell because I've got candy corn earrings in. Oh, you've got headphones on, so I can't see them. They're very cute. That's all that matters. I'll take the word for it. But are you ready for spooky fun? Sure. Is it too spooky? No, it's not too spooky. Okay. Because at Jim Barnett Park, on Friday, October 18th, from 6 to 8, we're gonna have a family friendly spooky night of fun. Oh. Family friendly spookiness levels. Family friendly. Family friendly spookiness. Yes. So, there's gonna be games. Crafts, music, dancing, costume contest, and trick or treating! Because a bunch of different city departments are going to be out there handing out candy. Absolutely. BYO bag. And, uh, people can register for something? Yeah! So, if you want to register ahead of time, you can spend 5 and get a Boo Bundle. Which will give you some s'mores that you can create over an open fire With help and also a bunch of inflatables. Yep, that will be very securely attached to the ground very securely And we're making s'mores And I will end this, uh short psa with a reminder that the city does not set the date of halloween. No, we do not Tell you when You should trick or treat. No. That is determined by, I don't know. It's your neighbors. It's your neighbors and it's you and it's when it falls during the week. You can, yeah. Traditionally, it's on Halloween. It's on Halloween. We're very traditionalist around here. And I don't even know how Halloween gets scheduled. Like does it, is there, is it like the third something or other? What is it? Is it really? I don't, I don't know. Do you know? Yes. What is it? It's always October 31st. October 31st is always Halloween. That's why it can be any day of the week. Well, there you go guys. It's always October 31st. Always. Don't call us and ask us when Halloween is. It's October, because we'll tell you it's October 31st. We'll answer you. I might, I might. Have a little bit of judgment in my head. I'm not going to say it to you, but it's October 31st. It's October 31st. And that's generally when people trick or treat. Now, if it, sometimes if it falls on a Monday, maybe people do it on a Sunday night, you know, or if it's really gonna pour down rain. I know in the past the city has said, uh, Hey, maybe don't go trick or treat this night because there was a storm coming through, but we do not set the date or times of trick or treating or the date of Halloween. Talk to your neighbors. Figure it out. Um, and do it safely. Yes, please. Flashlights, reflective gear, all the things, glow sticks. Yep. That's the only guidance we're going to give you. Do it safe. Oh, and if you want to have a good time, come over on October 18th, which is not October 31st. No. And you can go ahead and start scratching that itch a little early. Because, if you look around, there's going to be a trunk or treat every Friday and Saturday between now and Halloween somewhere. Yeah, it seems, like all the other, like all the holidays, we're just starting Halloween so much earlier and earlier these days. Oh, I love starting Halloween and Christmas earlier. All right, what's next? All right, did you know fall is the best time to plant trees? I did actually, well, no, I didn't know because we talked to Jordan last time. Exactly. If you listened to, if you listened to the last podcast, you know, it is the best time, which means it's also the best time to celebrate our annual tree festival at Jim Burnett parks, Audubon Arboretum on Saturday, October 19th. So the 18th Friday night, you can come out, have some spooky fun. And then the next day show up and celebrate trees. So it's from 11 a. m. until 3 p. m. You can learn about native plants and pollinators, see a tree being milled on site. Like they're going to be cutting it down. You can purchase native plants and food. And if you're a city resident, you might even get a free sapling on a first come, first serve basis. That's awesome. We've got some really cool, fun stuff coming up. The fall is the most beautiful time of the year. So Fall in Winchester, spring is uh, I mean some might argue spring. And I would be reluctant to disagree with them. However, fall's right up there. It's the smell in the air, the crunchy leaves. Yep. Just enjoy it. All right, folks are back. Um, we're lucky. Sarah and I are here with Javier Rodriguez, who is one of our colleagues here at the city, and he's a member of our information technology, otherwise affectionately known as I. T., help desk team. So, um, We'd like to also bring everybody's attention before we actually get started with Javi. Don't forget that this month, October is Cybersecurity Month, which has probably been mentioned in a previous podcast, but, um, that is really appropriate since Javi works for our IT team. You know, he's obviously helping to educate all of us here at the city about how to keep our information safe, you know, with keeping strong passwords and just being mindful of different ways that we can all, all of us, if we're not careful, can fall suspect to, are subject to, um, Different types of attacks, right? Cyber attacks, such as phishing, smishing, spear phishing, and more. Is that right, honey? I love those names, by the way. They are my favorite. I just had to say them. It's pretty funny how they come up with those names. They, I'm not quite sure how they do, but I assume they probably have some fun with it when they make those in the, uh, in the, uh, Companies that create those names. I love schmissie schmissien the best. Schmissien. SMS phishing. I love it. Another one just for example, um that I like personally is If like let's say your communications trajectory kit Yeah So they're coming after you specifically with a phishing link or something like that In that case, it'll be called like whale phishing Oh, because you're a big one. Yeah. Yeah. We're not spearfishing little guys like me and Javi. That's right. They're going after the big whales. The big whales. Yeah. The big whales. The communications director is a big whale. Yeah. Well, let's touch on that actually, Javi, if you don't mind. What is fishing? For those that might not know. So fishing, uh, it's In most cases, that's going to be when someone kind of is more like, well, in a way they're casting a net, but this net is a digital net, so it's going to be through a bad link in an email or a bad link in an advertisement that's on like your Facebook page when you're scrolling, or something like that, basically where they just try to get you to click on it, and then they end up either capturing data from your computer, Or locking up your computer and then ending up in a worse situation with like ransomware. That's a nightmare when those happen and such stuff like that. Gotcha. And that's phishing with P H, right? Mm hmm. P H. And so what is spear phishing? Again with P H. So spear phishing, actually that's kind of like, um, I actually believe that actually might be what whale phishing is. I think they might actually have like the same, they're the same thing. It's the same. But just different names. Yeah, okay. So like how some people like change things around and say like, One thing is this, but also it's also referred to as this. I think that's what that was. Okay. So that's basically going after like the executive level folks in the organization, folks that have the big information or yep. Especially since they're getting all the emails. Okay. Okay. And, and I'm sorry to keep putting you on the spot. Smishing. Do you know what smishing is? Off the top of my, I believe that one's actually text message. Yeah. So that one's text messages like SMS. And so when they, I'm sure many people are getting those, um, Fake texts that say, like, your package has been delivered, click on this link, or, and stuff like that. They always say they're the post office, but it comes from some random phone number and address out of, you know. Yep, and then also I think there is the, what else is there with text messages? Uh, oh, the, like the bank accounts ones. Please don't fall for those when they say your debit card is frozen. Yeah. That your bank will, uh, As far as I know, they usually won't contact you through texts like that. Yeah. Hopefully not. Makes sense. Makes sense. Better to go to the branch and confirm if you're that concerned. Well, you know, I got one, I think most of us have gotten a post office text recently, but I got one from FedEx too. Oh yeah. That said they were from FedEx. Obviously it wasn't from FedEx, but, so I think they're branching out, maybe UPS, FedEx, like whoever they can use, right? Try to convince you to click on it. Yep. I've seen all those too. Because who doesn't always have a package in transit? Of course. Yeah. Maybe that's just a me problem. Who knows? Amazon, definitely. Or especially if you live with other people. Like if you got other people in your apartment, your roommates or your family, your mom orders something maybe in your name or someone sends you a gift, it's like, you really never know. So some of these people, these are innocent people, can actually fall for these pretty easily. But you just got to be careful and communicate with people you live with. Know what you're expecting. And like for me personally, when I order something online, I'm always checking that track order receipt. Learn In order confirmation, so that way I can know, like, what day is supposed to be arriving and if it actually arrived. Wow. And so let's that's that's really great. Um, let's take a step back. Let's think, you know, for our residents. I mean, this is really useful information, right? But taking a step back strategically. Why do you think it's important for residents to know that the city is focused on cyber security? Well, for starters, uh, we have President's information in some places that we need to protect and and so with that, we want to make sure that we follow all the compliancy laws and whatnot, like for personal identifying information, credit card information, all that social security numbers, all that stuff we make sure to encrypt it. Keep it, keep it separate, keep it isolated, all that sort of stuff, and because we like to follow what is a philosophy in cyber security, which is like defense and death, and that's basically just adding layers and layers of all these different methods to protect all the data that our city government has in its store, has in its access, I guess. That's interesting. It reminds me of when I used to live overseas, actually. Go with me on this analogy, guys. Who's going to say, how far across the world are we going? I'll take you to South Africa. Now, that, if you've ever lived in the Johannesburg area of South Africa, it's, it's a crime ridden area of the world, let's just say it's pretty dangerous, right? And one thing that our security officers used to always tell us is that the more redundancy you have as far as security, the better, right? So criminals, they can break a window, you know, they can, they can detach metal bars from a door if they have enough time, right? I mean, they can break, break down a door, they can do a lot of different things, but the more measures you have in place. The tougher it is. Oh, definitely. Yes. And, and I think there's an analogy there with cybersecurity. Would you agree? Yes, there definitely is. I think now when it comes to redundancy, there could be a Potential downside to that. So it's great to have all those backups and like high availability. So that way things are always accessible. If something goes down, but the other issue you have to be careful of, if, if you have too much redundancy and you have all this data stored in different locations, that it's going to be harder to manage, hard to protect access points. Yep. It was like a balance, right? Yep. So you got to find that balance with redundancy and availability. Great point. And so tell us a little bit about the help desk. Okay. That's your day job, right? Yeah, that's my day job. It's pretty fun. Uh, I get to work with all of, uh, city government, sometimes citizens as well, when they call and they just need some general information or need to be, um, like redirected to the right department. Cause sometimes they'll call information technology cause it's Information? Yeah, information. I mean, so why not? It's right there in the title. Yeah. And I, I mean, even if I don't have the answer for them, I'll just try to help them as best as I can, redirect them to the right place. Yeah. So for me And the rest of the team, a lot of our job is actually It varies a lot. So sometimes we'll be working on the police officers, computers and their vehicles, or we'll be working on people's phones and also as well as the end points or computers that we have throughout the whole city that everyone has in the department. So it can vary from anything from that. Let's say I'm installing a computer into a new officer's car or Up to like maybe just something general, like ordering something for someone and working with departments as that one time. I mean, you actually, we had that, uh, the wind ready ceremony that we worked together on and we worked together. We made that little, uh, or helped you out with making that movie. And we had this great presentation that you did and all that. We got pieced everything together with the right parts, like as in like speakers, the TVs, the cables and all that. That was huge. Thanks. I mean, you did a great job with that. No, thank you. Well, helping our residents see, you know. How to actually, you know, request a win ready ride and how the new app worked. I mean, that was really critical, actually. Yeah, definitely. I think that's honestly one of the, one of the great services that we do offer in the city is a win ready. And that definitely would help a lot of people that just, well, I mean, in this economy, it's hard to buy a car that's reliable and gets you from point A to the entry point price for that is. a little higher than it used to be. So offer us offering that, uh, public transportation at the price it is at, because I know it was free at first, but now there's a little dollar 50 rides, still the best cheapest, cheapest option in town. Yeah. Better than Uber. That's right for anybody listening, give when ready. Try. Okay. That was an unsolicited, uh, announcement there by hobby, but uh, but very well, well placed, but that's interesting. Let me, let me go back to something you said, actually, so you were talking about taking some Installing computers in police officers cars. Mm hmm. Right. So that's like a critical function. People may not, may take for granted, actually, they may not realize you guys actually work on. Um, so I think we can all say, you know, help desk. It's one of those functions in the city where, you know, I'm in any organization really, right? Like you never really think of the, of the dutiful folks up in the help desk working away. until you need them. And then it's like, Oh my God, you know, help me out. But you guys do so many cool things every day. It is really operating. And you might be the most famous people internally among staff because find somebody who doesn't have their go to on the help desk team. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. And you always answer the phone, too, which is what I appreciate. Yes. Of course. That phone never goes to voicemail. It's amazing. I'm like some help duck. To be honest. I always try to be available, or we all try to. It's honestly a great team. We all like to work together and, uh. Work with the other departments and making sure we can make sure the mission gets done and the residents of the city can be helped to the best of our ability here. Here. Well said. Well, we appreciate it. Javi. Let's turn our attention real quick here to Hispanic Heritage Month. All right. So October is it? Is a very important month, not just for cyber security. Of course, Hispanic heritage month runs from September 15th through October straddles the two months and, uh, for our loyal listeners, they know that that's an important month for the city as well. Um, and of course, across our country and we try to do a lot of outreach, you know, in the community to Hispanic residents, Hispanic families, you know, Spanish speakers. Um, have you seen any of that yourself since you've been working with the city? Working with the city actually have in a way, um, besides like, just obviously the employees helping the, the citizens when they come in asking for help. Like, I know Melvin in I. T. Sometimes he steps out of his comfort zone instead of just, um, doing his back end work in I. T. He actually will come out to help, uh, like Charles, who's at the front desk and on, uh, Planning and inspections to help translate for I believe like permits and stuff like that. I've seen it happen. Yeah, that's a great example Yeah, shout out to Melvin Melvin and Alfredo too. Yeah. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Quite a bit. Yeah. So point being anybody that comes in the city, you know, we'll try to find if they don't, if English is not their first language, whether it's Spanish or even a different language, we'll try to find someone that speaks the language so we can help them. Right. And we're always trying to produce our content, um, printed online, all of it. We try to get as much of it translated as humanly possible. Um, I was giving out some translated, uh, um, Uh, transportation guides just on Friday. So, it's amazing how much people stop by just looking for that information. Yeah. Yeah. This stuff's hard to get sometimes, especially when you're not used to, um, Well, being in an English dominant culture and you don't know English to that extent to where you can just easily get around and whatnot. So it definitely helps that part of our community, I believe. And I believe you also, do you also hold, uh, like meetings in Spanish as well? We do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Kit does. Sarah doesn't. Let's get one thing straight here. Sarah may organize a meeting and Kit may help out from time to time, but yeah, no, we, you know, the bottom line is. A fifth of our residents speak Spanish, you know, as a primary language and, and, or have Hispanic heritage, right? And, um, to us, for us to be able to really get out there and, and reach out to them and connect with them, of course, we need to be able to have that tool. Right. So that's something that is very important to us. We've invested a lot in that area in terms of, as Sarah mentioned, you know, translating our content, our newsletters, our magazines, getting out there, having, you know, community meetings, being able to listen to people if they come to us in Spanish, speak Spanish. And just, you know, being able to connect with folks and helping them feel like this is their city, too. I mean, it's very important to us. Now, something the city. Is looking at doing something that would be, um, even more overreaching, which would be a language access plan, you know, would cover Spanish as well as many other languages. Now, that's something that will also take a significant budgetary investment. So that's not a step that the city has taken yet. But in the meantime, you know, Sarah and I, and many other departments, like you mentioned, you know, community development and and others. I know the police department as well. I mean, um, fire and rescue. You know, they always make sure they have a Spanish speaker when they do their community connect and they go out into neighborhoods. Yeah, that's definitely a high priority for the city. That's very important. And you can, even if you look at demographics, like I said, 20 percent Hispanic, you know, heritage here in the Winchester, but I feel like at schools, this is actually a plurality of students have Hispanic heritage. Um, it's over 40%. So, yeah. So it's important that we do that. It's quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah, and we're proud of too. I just mentioned as well I mean the city has sponsored or helped to sponsor a number of different events many of them many of which actually happened september You know, but we're still doing some outreach even in october noche mexicana And helping, you know eda and and others with celebration Of winchester and other events. I mean just to help it, you know celebrate that hispanic heritage get out there You And there are many other events too, but just, you know, so if I forgot one, sorry guys, but they're all important. They're all very important. And that's, that's important that we do that as well. So absolutely. So the main reason that we brought up Hispanic Heritage Month with our friend Javier here is he is, his family is actually from Belize. Which is, I want to say, a culture that I personally wish I knew more about. I would love to go to Belize. It is high on my list, but tell us more about the amazing culture. Okay. Um, so, well for starters, everyone in Belize loves Simone Biles. I don't know if you all know, but I believe, I forget the exact story, my mom told me. But she is, I think her grandparents or her mother is Belizean, and so she kind of has a Belizean heritage as well. And so everyone in Belize loves her. Find somebody who doesn't love Simone Biles. Yeah. Well, let's start at the basics. Remind everybody where Belize is actually located first. So Belize is about, well, From DC, if you take a flight or two flights, it's going to be about seven, eight hours flying time, uh, south. And, but Belize, but, believe at the, right near the Yucatan Peninsula, at the tip of Mexico. So, if you go to the Caribbean Sea, Near the center go down south. I don't know how many hundreds of miles But it's there Yeah, so West Indies hold the Mayan Indians and all that That's actually where the Mayan Indians actually were in that area where Belize is So there's the Aztecs to the north then the Mayan Indians in the middle There was there was very small group of them and then the Incans Below that, south. You'll actually see, um, I went to Belize for my father's funeral a few years ago. And there was actually, I got to see some of the big Mayan temples that were there. That was really cool. They even built like a panther into one of them. You know, it's very cool. Yeah, and actually when I was there, I got to see them, um, They were working on rebuilding the temple and all that and I got to go through the jungle, ride, ride the boats, do the safari, or not safari, the They're like swamp water and yeah, it's a really very, I think of mostly just beaches when I think of Belize. I don't think of the temples and the like kind of wetlands and things like that. So that's super interesting. Yeah, it was really cool. I got to see a lot of it when I went there. Um, that was actually my first time, but Um, for me when I was there, I can say the culture was definitely, uh, it was very friendly. Um, people were laid back, of course, of course. It could be because I'm American. I'm in that country. I don't know. They said it might be a little bit friendlier. But, um, but yeah, so when I was there, I was treated very well to people. And then they also actually, let's see. Yes, sorry, excuse me. It's actually been a few years. I can't quite remember well remind me they speak English and Spanish. They're right Mm hmm. So they speak English Spanish and Creole. So Creole is kind of like a broken English originally Belize was a British colony and They got independence from Britain in Sometime in I think in the 1980s or 1970s. Oh, wow, relatively recently, but not super long ago. What's the food like? Oh, I personally like it. Um So it's a little bit of spice if you've ever had Caribbean jerk. It's kind of like that. I love Caribbean jerk Yeah, so it's like it's remembering his time in Jamaica now So it's good good amount of food like that And then some things aren't as spicy, of course, and then you'll have a lot of Mexican dishes and Guatemalan dishes, El Salvadorian dishes. Um, and Belize really is a melting pot of Central America and Mexico because a lot of people actually go there because it's just a place where they're all welcome. When they, if they don't decide to go to America, a lot of people go there. Um, and so there's a lot of Guatemalans there, a lot of El Salvadorians, and that culture kind of just all infused into one, where it's like, I wouldn't really want to call it the America of Central America, but it definitely is a melting pot, because you'll even see like a, uh, there, I remember that when I was there, there was an Irishman who was speaking in Creole. Oh, wow. So, yeah. He came from Ireland and he was speaking Creole. There's Chinese. There's Taiwanese. They're all over there and they often speak in Creole. So I might throw you off if you're not expecting that. But that's amazing. Yeah, that is fascinating. Well, there you have it, folks, a wide reaching conversation with Javier Rodriguez. We talked about cybersecurity, Hispanic Heritage Month in Belize. What more is there to talk about? Javi, thanks for joining us today. Thank you. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Next time we're going to be talking about city stuff. 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