Hear the tales of tenacity and transformation that Wesley Chesbro shares from his five decades in public service. From his start as an energized young council member in Arcata, Wes's journey is a testament to the power of vision and dedication. Our conversation takes us through his time at Humboldt State College, evolving into Cal Poly Humboldt, and we're regaled with anecdotes that highlight the humanity and dignity at the heart of political life. Wes reflects on his non-mayoral career, the impact of younger voters, and the environmental milestones that have marked his career, like the pioneering Arcata Marsh project and the birth of Humboldt's first bus transit system.
We then pivot to the nitty-gritty of Wes's political path, his epic battles in the state Senate, and his eventual full-circle return to local politics. Throughout his 27 years in Sacramento, Chesbro evolved from a man with a specific agenda to a leader who understands the art of consensus-building and problem-solving across the political spectrum. His work has shaped environmental policy profoundly, from the recycling and solid waste initiatives to the sustainable forest plan that seeks to restore old-growth characteristics to our precious Redwood Park. This segment illuminates the collaborative spirit that drives change, as well as the global reach of Humboldt County's environmental influence, thanks to the university's nurturing of globally-minded graduates.
Finally, we journey into the heart of our community, discussing the challenges and strides made in promoting diversity and inclusivity in the wake of tragedy, and the importance of maintaining a vibrant connection with our local legislators. Wes shares insights on programs like Home Away From Home, and we reminisce about local haunts and communal support, underscoring the necessity of community engagement. We close with dreams of a trail network expansion, an expression of profound gratitude for the many faces that shape the narrative of Humboldt County, and a celebration of the active roles we all play in enhancing our natural surroundings. Join us for this rich tapestry of stories, aspirations, and dedication to the place we call home.
Find us on Facebook at 100% Humboldt.
Hear the tales of tenacity and transformation that Wesley Chesbro shares from his five decades in public service. From his start as an energized young council member in Arcata, Wes's journey is a testament to the power of vision and dedication. Our conversation takes us through his time at Humboldt State College, evolving into Cal Poly Humboldt, and we're regaled with anecdotes that highlight the humanity and dignity at the heart of political life. Wes reflects on his non-mayoral career, the impact of younger voters, and the environmental milestones that have marked his career, like the pioneering Arcata Marsh project and the birth of Humboldt's first bus transit system.
We then pivot to the nitty-gritty of Wes's political path, his epic battles in the state Senate, and his eventual full-circle return to local politics. Throughout his 27 years in Sacramento, Chesbro evolved from a man with a specific agenda to a leader who understands the art of consensus-building and problem-solving across the political spectrum. His work has shaped environmental policy profoundly, from the recycling and solid waste initiatives to the sustainable forest plan that seeks to restore old-growth characteristics to our precious Redwood Park. This segment illuminates the collaborative spirit that drives change, as well as the global reach of Humboldt County's environmental influence, thanks to the university's nurturing of globally-minded graduates.
Finally, we journey into the heart of our community, discussing the challenges and strides made in promoting diversity and inclusivity in the wake of tragedy, and the importance of maintaining a vibrant connection with our local legislators. Wes shares insights on programs like Home Away From Home, and we reminisce about local haunts and communal support, underscoring the necessity of community engagement. We close with dreams of a trail network expansion, an expression of profound gratitude for the many faces that shape the narrative of Humboldt County, and a celebration of the active roles we all play in enhancing our natural surroundings. Join us for this rich tapestry of stories, aspirations, and dedication to the place we call home.
Find us on Facebook at 100% Humboldt.
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to the 100% Humboldt podcast with your host, scott Hammond, and my new best friend, wesley Chesbro.
Speaker 2:Glad to be here. How's it?
Speaker 1:going. Wes, I'm doing good, good to see you, so we're just talking. You've been 50 years this year from the Arcata City Council.
Speaker 2:That was my first well, student Council at Humboldt State College was a little earlier, but my first elected office outside of student government was City Council in 1974. So this spring it's years.
Speaker 1:So when did it become Humboldt State University?
Speaker 2:Just shortly thereafter mid-70s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and now we look at the camera and go Cal Poly, humboldt, so everybody has to correct that I haven't quite gotten myself to CPH.
Speaker 2:That doesn't quite click for me. We're getting there.
Speaker 1:So here you go, move that just a little bit closer, there you go. So yeah, no, you have a big history, so you were pretty young on the City Council then 22 years old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had a lot of hoodspotter. Wow Decided to do that. That's a word for it, the 18-year-old vote had just happened a few years earlier. Okay, and the first person to take advantage of that was Alex Stillman, then Ferris. She got elected in 72 on the. The young people were really excited about having the vote and honestly I don't think probably she or I would have won those first elections in 72 and 74 if it weren't for a huge turnout in the dorms Right and Victor Green came in some more. Two years later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Now he tells me now that he works at In-N-Out Burger. He's like the ambassador.
Speaker 2:He's the greeter.
Speaker 1:He is the number one, greeter Hi Victor.
Speaker 2:Great job for Victor.
Speaker 1:Oh man, he's energetic. They'll just live that A abundant fount of energy. Yeah, still, and he goes. No, I was the first youngest mayor of Arcada, so he had to be pretty young too, and you know what.
Speaker 2:They never made me mayor, so I never, you never were married. You know they rotated between the council members, but it didn't make that one. I was, I think, a little too full of myself.
Speaker 1:So tell me the Wesley story. You raised in Soquel, like a lot of us, and came to Humboldt and love to hear that.
Speaker 2:When I was born we lived in Arizona, although my mom didn't trust the hospital in Nogales, so she came over to stay with her sister and I was born in Glendale and most of my childhood was spent in Southern California. And my dad was from the Pacific Northwest and we took several summer vacations to the Pacific Northwest, one of which was to the Seattle World's Fair, which was 62 or 63. And we camped at Richardson's Grove and I was in awe of those big trees and they're bigger now. Oh yeah, they are. I was born 50 years ago, probably 60 years ago, still growing, and it rained and I don't know how many listeners remember the heart-sook-in, which the building is still there across the road. So it rained, so we didn't have to eat mom's mush for breakfast. We got to go to heart-sook-in and have pancakes.
Speaker 2:That's my earliest Humboldt memory.
Speaker 1:That was the whole restaurant setup, then what part of Southern California?
Speaker 2:I went to high school in South Pasadena, my dad, before becoming a teacher, was a pastor in Spanish-speaking churches, and we moved a lot. It's a free Methodist church and Methodists have the habit of rotating their pastors every four or five years. So my dad got kind of sick of that and became a teacher instead. But when then we settled down in South Pasadena, yeah, Bethany Shea, who's one of my first guests.
Speaker 1:She's Methodist pastor and Catalyst pastor up in Arcada. She's terrific. Hi, bethany. How about Southern Pasadena? Quick story got arrested there when we were teenagers. We met a gal at Hotel Del Coronado Nick doesn't know this story so I'll tell it and she said come on up to Pasadena. We got out of the Amtrak and we flagged a cop down hey, where's 1234567th Street? And he goes, get in the car, I'll show you. Texas, being Phillip I feel takes us all the way to Cindy's house and we got to meet her mother for the first time and he confirmed we were not runaways and it was legit. He took off and she goes. You guys get the hell out of here, as any good parent would do, probably. So anyway, that was our fun story. We spent the weekend in Pasadena, went up to the mountains to is it? Mount Wilson.
Speaker 2:That was kind of neat, it's the big mountain that you some days you can see it and some days you can't.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because the smog rolls in and oh man, yeah, just a few miles away.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'd only heard the rumors because we were San Diego and it was still kind of relatively untouched. But you're above that and you can look over and it was purple and it wasn't fog.
Speaker 2:So my second time during a year of teenage troublemaking, I hitchhiked through Arcada on the way up to see my brother at Fort Lewis in Washington state and spent the night in Arcada, and that would have been about 1967. How about that?
Speaker 1:Well, so then you came up.
Speaker 2:Next time you see a hitchhiker or a young person that seems like they aren't quite anchored in any particular place and you might look at them and say that might be a future state senator that guy could do. You better treat them like a human being. He could go all the way, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. He's another human being. So how did you then make that transition to Humboldt? Was it Humboldt?
Speaker 2:Humboldt State.
Speaker 1:College, state College, yeah.
Speaker 2:So was it teacher's college before that?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't go back that far.
Speaker 2:Sorry You're old, but you're not that old. I do go back to Humboldt State College. Well, I remembered Arcada, I remembered the Redwoods, and I was listening to your Patrick Thurry interview where he talked about finding the place furthest west from New York.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I remember the example of the person who wanted to afford a state university education but wanted to get as far north as I could get and it felt. I've always had a hankering to get back to the Pacific Northwest. I thought Humboldt might be a stepping stone. I'd wind up up on Puget Sound, but once I got here I stayed.
Speaker 1:Let me locate Humboldt State for our watchers' listeners. It's right up here on the north. Here's Eureka, the county seat. It's funny because I do this all the time, so it's kind of vaguely. It's not even funny anymore. But Arcada's right here at the top and that's where Humboldt I'm sorry, Cal Poly, Humboldt is now, which is still a remarkable school.
Speaker 2:I think we can still call it Humboldt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, everybody's. Hey, it's Humboldt. Did you go to Humboldt? I went to Humboldt, majored in recreation administration, class of 82. My kids go what Recess, what is that? So Anyway? So Janet Cole actually introduced me once in a toast master's thing. She goes yeah, did you major in recess? What is that? It's so Right, vaguely funny. So what did you study at Humboldt?
Speaker 2:Well, I studied first natural resources and then I moved to political science. And here's the really weird story is that I never graduated from Humboldt. I graduated from the University of San Francisco. How about that? When I got elected to the city council, I thought politics was my education and I dropped out. Wow. But from the get-go, humboldt was the Humboldt State College. Now Cal Poly was the place that nurtured me and gave me the confidence and made me really who I was and who I am. So I still have always felt like an alum and for years Dr Macron at the time would introduce me as an alum at events and I'd look at my shoes. Finally I went up to him and I said Dr Macron, I hate to tell you, but I didn't graduate from Humboldt. He looked at me and says I know that. Look up alumni in the dictionary. That's funny.
Speaker 2:Turns out it just means attended. You went there and then Connie Stewart nominated me and I was selected to be one of the distinguished alums. Wow. And I had to get up in front of a whole crowd, a whole room of people, and say I'm the first distinguished alum who didn't graduate, didn't?
Speaker 1:actually graduate. That's okay. I'm not pretending, it's true, yeah.
Speaker 2:But in fact, my experiences as a student, in student politics and the classes I took and the people I was inspired by really were what launched me into a lifetime of political activism.
Speaker 1:Sure, Now you're on the. I was on just the backside and came up in fall of 78. So Humboldt was a little bit more radical because of the Vietnam era and the early 70s. Right yeah, I came in 1969.
Speaker 2:And the following spring Nixon bombed Cambodia. Students got shot at Kent State for protesting and radicalized a whole bunch of us, and the students shut the campus down with a student strike and there was a rally in the quad in front of the theater there by the Fulkerson Recital Hall with virtually every student not 100%, but probably 80% of the student body showing up.
Speaker 2:I think I've heard that story shut down for a number of days, wow, and the students went out, cut their hair, went out in Canvas for anti-war purpose in the community. It was quite an experience. They had a strike headquarters at what was North Town's books in North Town Arcada Right.
Speaker 1:So and that was 69?.
Speaker 2:No, that would have been spring of 1970, I believe.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Humboldt saw some ramifications from all that was going on nationally.
Speaker 2:And there was a convergence of things that happened. Earth Day happened All right and the North Coast Environmental Center was formed, Open Door Clinic, which originally was a ragtag hippie clinic with a bunch of volunteer providers that's Bethsler Herb and. Bethsler. That evolved into our primary care provider of the county, you know.
Speaker 1:Which is wonderful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're really lucky to have it, even though there's a lot of holes in the system.
Speaker 1:We call it the medical desert, Joni and I. My wife had a stroke nine months ago and she's recovered fine, but the journey's been hellacious.
Speaker 2:A lack of specialty care is something that we feel all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we want to support that big time. Yeah, so you graduated then, and then our.
Speaker 2:Well, I actually did.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry you did graduate I didn't graduate until many years later. Did you then end up living in San Francisco?
Speaker 2:No, no, I went when I was in Sacramento, which I guess we'll eventually get to here. Sure, I went to a branch campus in Sacramento. We did have to go to San Francisco on occasion for things, but took most of my class coursework in Sacramento and graduated from the Sacramento Branch Campus.
Speaker 1:So give me the ascension so City Council right to State Senator. No, it was a long, winding road. There's a gap in there right. A long and winding road.
Speaker 2:I'll try to not elongate it any longer than it already is. Two terms on the City Council I've elected twice. Helped manage the campaign for my predecessor on the board, sarah Parsons. Sure, she's a remarkable lady right. Well, she believed all the same things I did, but she had white hair and pearls and a Southern accent. She seemed to have a great right it was so diplomatic that everyone loved her, and I said the same things as a 25-year-old and people were horrified.
Speaker 1:But she had a nice manner.
Speaker 2:She did. And then in 1980, when I had lunch with her to talk about her reelection campaign, she said I'm not running. I think you should Wesley. How about that?
Speaker 2:I was 30 years old and ran for supervisor Every one of my elections. By the way, the first time out was I won by a smidgen. Fortunately, reelection came easier as time passed. Sure, and that was a real tight election because even with the growth at Humboldt State, Arcada was still a fairly conservative community and the outlying areas like Bayside and Freshwater were not so friendly to the university and to young upstarts from Southern California.
Speaker 1:It kind of shifted a little bit, but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I got elected three times to the Board of Supervisors, 1980 to 1990.
Speaker 1:Who'd you run against in those years?
Speaker 2:I think my first opponent was a guy named Tony Zanoni who was from a long-time Humboldt family down around Petrolia. I think, but my memories it's been a long time Sure. I think he was in real estate as well.
Speaker 1:Okay, I know the name, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then actually the third time I ran, I ran unopposed, which was the only time 10 elections I've had, wow, and only one of them did I run unopposed. Those are the good ones and well, it's very strange, but you almost feel like you didn't have to work for it. So it took me a little while to adjust to that. I still ran a campaign. I walked door to door and hung signs up because I thought the voters deserve to have me ask them.
Speaker 1:Connection yeah.
Speaker 2:So then I skipped over, having been the first director of the Arcada Recycling Center Back in the days with my Hood Spa. I always claimed I was the founder, but in fact it was a broad community effort that. I was part of Lucky to be part.
Speaker 2:Right. But because of that and also having the Cummins Road County landfill in my district, I became very focused on recycling and solid waste and landfills, yeah, and as a result got appointed to several statewide committees and commissions working on legislation and policy statewide. And in the late 80s the legislature passed California's recycling mandate law that required every city and county to cut its waste stream in half.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they appointed a full, they created a full-time board and I was fortunate enough, and quite amazing, that a county supervisor from Little Old Humboldt County got appointed to the first iteration of the California Integrated Waste Management Board. So I took this job in Sacramento. So that's a full-time gig yeah. Kept my home here, promised when I resigned the board that I'd be back in four years. How many years was that? Again, it turned into 27.
Speaker 1:Did you live right in Sacker?
Speaker 2:Outside, in the suburbs, in the suburbs car Michael, oh yeah. But we kept our house on South H and stayed registered to vote here, okay, and intended to return. And four years turned into eight, got reappointed to the board and then in 1998, the Senate seat opened up the state Senate seat and no, usually a Senate seat the candidates tend to come from having already served in the state assembly. But there was nobody with that background including Dan Houser, who had previously represented us in the assembly were interested in running. So my phone started ringing and people saying you know, yeah, I think about this. Yeah, so I ran for the state Senate and served in the Senate for the eight years that turn limits allowed me, turned around two years later, ran for the assembly.
Speaker 2:So I kind of went to high school first, and then junior high school.
Speaker 1:So who'd you run against in the Senate? First of all, a guy named John Jordan Jordan, okay, and he's from down below.
Speaker 2:He's from a wealthy Texas oil family that owned a winery in Sonoma County. They spent Six million dollars on trying to get him elected Geez, and I had to raise half that to even be in the race Show up yeah in the end.
Speaker 2:I beat him pretty good by about 10 percentage points, but it was intense, and the only thing he had to hang on me was he didn't have any experience or history of his own, and so he accused me of being a carpet beggar. Even though my kids were born here, I don't a home here. Since my mid 20s, I voted in every election here. Wait, he's the one from Texas, right? Well, he, I think he grew up here, but his family's from Texas about that.
Speaker 2:Anyway, it was a hairy, but it wound up turning out pretty well. Six million.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of money even now now. Yeah, Huh. How about that? Who'd you run against the second time? I don't even remember now I'm asking yeah, so you would?
Speaker 2:the other way was a woman from Lake County.
Speaker 1:Okay, then he went back to the assembly so 14 years altogether, huh.
Speaker 2:and then when I was done and we have term limits, so and I was ready to be done, yeah, and really the whole time I was in Sacramento, all I could think about was coming home because, you know, living there was not my, my chosen lifestyle. It's where the work was the opportunity to affect things for the people that I care about.
Speaker 1:And sack was exploding. Yeah, growth right at that time, hot and muggy so I just constantly pine for home.
Speaker 2:But when I got done, my wife had evolved into a community college instructor in Sacramento. Oh okay, I've been teaching for a number of years and wasn't ready to retire, so we spent a few more years there before we then came on home and that's what we had the early morning United flight from sack right we used to have it 5 am. It would get pretty early but I'll beat the heck out of driving.
Speaker 1:So oh man.
Speaker 2:But so yeah, I really, I really felt a sense of loss when that went away.
Speaker 1:That's a pretty key flight, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow, so that's a nutshell.
Speaker 1:That's a, that's a history.
Speaker 2:So fit 40 years in in either pop elected or appointed office.
Speaker 1:So so if you were to grab top three takeaways of your, your mission in that, in that public service, what would you? What were you about? What did? What did you want to see?
Speaker 2:Well, that kind of evolved over time. Yes, I, you could say I grew up in politics. I mean, when you elect a 22 year old, they still have a lot of life lessons to learn. Oh, boy, and I think I started out Believing that the the job of an elected official is to advance their own ideas and and push forward a very specific agenda. Over a long period of time, I evolved into understanding that the Primary job of an elected official is to bring people together of different points of view and to solve problems, and that means you don't let go of your personal point of view, but you, you know, first of all, respect other points of view, and you realize that, as the solutions aren't going to happen unless you find a way for people to listen to each other and compromise, yeah, and that was a long road.
Speaker 1:Man, I want to insert a comment right now, today and the environment we've been in as I went that way, the rest of the world went.
Speaker 2:The rest of the country went the other way. Yeah, and I'm not just talking about the right wing, I'm talking about the left wing. Everybody went to their corners and compromises a dirty word, you know and so that was a great frustration to me.
Speaker 1:Which is the strength, that what we're built on right as a nation.
Speaker 2:Well, and I'm hopeful that this is a cycle we're in and that people will root, as, as we fail to address a lot of important problems, people will go back to trying to find mutually. Yeah mutually agreeable solutions.
Speaker 1:Super, super common thread with people that are sitting in that chair here for the last six months. Right that if, if, people could figure out how to Get it together and work together in this, the sea world yeah, the other seaward so on the city council, I was part of a majority and we made big changes in Arcada.
Speaker 2:We adopted a new general plan that protected all of the farm, most of the farmland around Arcada. We fought to establish the Arcada Marsh project. We started Humboldt County's first bus transit system.
Speaker 1:Right did a lot of. I think. Was the park part of that Redwood Park? Was that part of the well establish?
Speaker 2:another thing I learned and that's, and the park is a. The community forest right is a good example. You know, all of us stand on the shoulders of people before us, even the people who we disagree with a lot sure and One of the things I have come to see is that people that we we chased out of office and replaced Did a lot of good things. Nice, okay, and the forest was acquired by the city long before we came along.
Speaker 1:They had it for 50s.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure exactly what it was. There's a nice little plaque at. Folks are up at Redwood Park and they want to walk over to where the trail goes up. Yeah, there's a little plaque that lists all the city council members at the time and, believe me, it was well before my time. Wow, but we did adopt the now world recognized sustainable forest plan because it had not been previously. The park itself was preserved, but the outer areas of the community forest was being harvested in right more traditional, commercial fashion.
Speaker 2:The city loved the revenue, of course, of course, but one of the things that I think we accomplished was to move the move that the forest towards a Not only a sustainable Basis, but also gradually restoring old growth characteristics by growing larger and larger trees. Yeah, so that was one of our significant accomplishments. But if the previous, very conservative city council had not acquired that forest originally, we wouldn't have owned a forest right right. Another example is the marsh.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's a long and complicated story on I can only give you the nutshell version. But yeah, we fought the other entities in Humboldt County who wanted all the federal money to build a gigantic Centralized sewage treatment plant where everybody sewage would be piped. Oh really. Okay you know, eureka had only primary treatment. Mckinneyville had none Rainy winter like this.
Speaker 1:Check it smell and that ditches, yeah, that ditches, along Central Avenue.
Speaker 2:Well, there was septic tank sometimes worked and but over flowed from the rain, you know man. Arcada had built a primary treatment plant, in fact I think, a secondary, a second excuse me, a secondary treatment that was already down there. It was already down there, so there was already a level of treatment that the marsh then and established the further level of Improvement of the water before it's discharged into the bay right and but again, like the forest.
Speaker 1:We would not have been able to pull that off if there had not been a far-sighted effort to clean up Arcada's pollution right head of us, us really smart newcomers who thought we invented the wheel because that was the junkyard right, that was the dump right, it was the dump at one point. And so Frank clop, he was the, was he the well, he, and he and his team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a group. Yeah, it was really a team effort. And one of the unique things about the marsh project it's long forgotten is that Arcada was extremely polarized at the time between the old timers and more conservative folks and us newcomers, university-oriented folks, and because of the cost of a giant regional plant and the fact that the city had already invested in the Existing sewage treatment plant. It brought the sides together. We had, we were a little nervous about pursuing the marsh because the state was threatening to put a building moratorium on Arcada and to punish us for not going along. Oh wow, and we thought we better ask the voters If this is what they want, because then we can. If there's a price to be paid, at least the voters will have helped us decide this Right so you put it on ballot.
Speaker 2:We put it on the ballot and it was supported by everybody and it passed with like 85 percent of the vote so yeah it was a moment of unity at a time in a time when I love it.
Speaker 2:You know redwood national park, you know the coastal commission, all these forest practices were all very contentious but the marsh did bring bring people together and there was a working group of university folks Frank clop, the engineer, mayor Dan Hauser at the time all working together to Come up with this unique design so this consortium of brains and agencies, and Real fast, because a lot of people would go hey, I go to the marsh and I walk and I see birds Real quick in 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:It has a unique, world-class, iconic story. Right it was. It was a dump that has been converted into something exponentially More useful.
Speaker 2:Well, it is in fact the third stage of the sewage treatment for Arcada. Now it's not Rossi which, going into the marsh, it's already secondarily treated. That's right, the but the there are nutrients remaining in the our waste that we Ship to the treatment plant. That then are the basis for a food chain and an ecosystem. Mm-hmm it feeds plants, that feeds fish it feeds and which in turn feed birds, and it's 50 years old, so it works.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well it's. It's not perfect, and it's been under it's, and it's being modified and upgraded. Because it isn't perfect, a lot's been learned over the years. But that kind of leads me to another thing I wanted to shoot talking about, which is the university in Humboldt County. Provide a connection to the world that is not always recognized, and I'll give you a couple of examples. The Marsh treatment system that was pioneered by Arcada has been replicated in communities all over the world, and the largest example, which is I don't know how many hundred times as large, is, there's a Marsh treatment system downstream from the ag land, outside of the wetlands of southern Florida.
Speaker 1:Oh, how about that?
Speaker 2:And so the ag waste, the nutrients that are in the nitrogen from the fertilizer, and is filtered through the Marsh and winds up providing a much higher water quality that then flows into. Is that near the Everglades?
Speaker 1:It's the Everglades. That's what we're talking about. Okay, the national park.
Speaker 2:Wow, so graduate students, bob Geerhardt, who was the engineering profit, humboldt, who was part of the task force working group, and really he and his students did a lot of the actual engineering and design work. After he retired he went off and worked with communities around the world as happened to his students.
Speaker 2:And so it's an example of Humboldt, and I don't just want to confine it to Arcada, but Humboldt's capacity for experimentation, bringing together creativity and intelligence and experimentation and then rippling out and having a beneficial effect. Another example when I was on the integrated waste management board. There's a national group called the National Recycling Congress and they have a big conference every year somewhere in the country where all the recyclers private industry, environmental activists, government people all come together. The whole time I was on the integrated waste management board, I attended those conferences and every year there would be a Humboldt powwow of recyclers who were Humboldt state graduates and I went I mean 50 people would show up all alums. That's the conference. Well, it would be in a pub somewhere near the conference, better yet, and people would go around and introduce themselves and talk about what they're doing.
Speaker 2:And two examples that I remember come to mind. One of them was and this is Pre DeSantis he was the solid waste director for the state of Florida and was pursuing recycling programs in Florida. Another one was the recycling director for American Airlines, and these were students who volunteered with the campus recycling project and the Arcada Recycling Center. Again and, by the way, on the staff at the newly created integrated waste management board, they were about 30 or 40 Humboldt state grads. So Humboldt has a heritage that ripples.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and I think that continues, and we need to think of the university and the university growth and the diversification of the makeup of the student body as all our contribution to making the world a better place. Love it. I think it's a big part of who we are.
Speaker 1:I had a big connection to the Buck House and I was in Cluster and we stayed and taught and learned it up at the Buck House, which is it was Seacat, was that what it was called? It was a model for recycling and gray water and the whole nine I mean maybe.
Speaker 2:Then out of that, and I don't know how much it's connected, but the Shats Energy Lab is another example of where research has been done that makes a significant impact in terms of our efforts to move to more sustainable energy supplies and conservation in order to address climate change.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's a model in us knucklehead students that kind of hung out there. You know it had it all, had the yurt in the back and the gray water system and we had a big garden.
Speaker 2:It wasn't just some kooky hippie arcada thing.
Speaker 1:No, it was.
Speaker 2:It was become mainstream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now it's mainstream. Yeah, now, people now that's what it's about. Yeah, it's interesting. So you're, when I listen to you, you come from an era of where recycling was new and being adopted, where we're doing some major things in arcada, the park, you know, the Redwood Park Community Forest, which, by the way I was going to say, it seems like it's really used a lot now, like pre and post COVID. It's like people rediscovered and like there's. My wife runs there and hikes there all the time and there's always people there.
Speaker 2:And it's a destination because it's closer in. It's not an old growth for us, but it is as close as we've got close in. You don't have to hike to headwaters or drive to Humboldt, Redwoods or the Prairie Creek and people I know when we have visitors if they don't have the time or the ability to make it to the more outlying old growth, Redwood Forest, it's a pretty decent substitute.
Speaker 1:It'll do yeah.
Speaker 2:And it gets better as time passes it because of the way the city is managing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it ages well, and so Sequoia Park, on the other hand, in Eureka is it's okay but it's not the same size or anything.
Speaker 2:But I think the McKay tract has some elements, some specific parts of it that do have some of those characteristics, and I'm not involved in it and I don't know specifically, but my impression is that they aspire to move towards something comparable to what Arcada has done.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, yeah, so you've been part of a big bunch of history there. So who is Wesley Chesbrough and what do you want?
Speaker 2:Who am I? What do I want?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the two? Jody's father made up those questions. I'm sure he got it from some other guy but the idea of how would you characterize yourself and what's your desire going forward for, say, the county or the world.
Speaker 2:Well, I guess you know I grew up in a family that was involved in serving others, either through the ministry or through teaching. I'm the odd one out. I didn't become a school teacher. My wife, my brother, my brother-in-law, you know it's a thread through my whole family, but I do think that influenced me to believe that serving others is what it's about, and so I've really spent my life doing it and I'm still to some degree, through some volunteer work and a much smaller capacity. Yeah, I'm trying to continue to do my part, you know, and I. Recent events, including the increased understanding of climate change, have really challenged my belief in the direct line of improvement in the human condition.
Speaker 2:I think as an idealist in the 60s and the 70s, that was the dream, and now I realize that there's steps forward and steps back and we've got a long ways to go, but making the world a better place for not only for all species but also for human beings, Amen brother yeah.
Speaker 2:And so that's always been real high on my list and I always felt as much as it. As when you run a campaign you're putting yourself out there as kind of an ego trip. I always felt like I was part of something bigger than myself. You know, and that was really a larger effort to improve things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like it. I like the concept of stewardship and being that guy, so talked about the past a little bit. Let's talk about the present real quick, in terms of what you see happening Humboldt, northern Humboldt and then we'll talk a little bit about the future, what you would like to see, what you'd like to see, what's going on right now that you kind of like in the county, and maybe some of the challenges too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, we are a truly unique place and to some degree that makes us a little smug and a little bit, you know, patting ourselves on the back there's a little bit of that, but most of what's unique about us.
Speaker 2:We didn't create God and nature did, but it's attracted, I think, a level of creativity and capacity, whether it's in the arts or business or environmental protection that really puts us in a pretty special place that is human driven and so, as a result, we have I think that's part of what's built this place to be what it is. I'm going back to the university, though If we didn't have that university, we'd be a beautiful place like Crescent City and I'm not putting Crescent City down for those of you that are watching Orcus.
Speaker 1:Bay.
Speaker 2:Orcus Bay or Susanville beautiful places, but we'd be a white spot in the road, you know, economically, culturally, and so I really have to say that it's a vortex of the natural environment, the university and the kinds of people who have been attracted here and some of whom were born and raised here, like Julie, who really make a tremendous contribution, although in most cases people like Julie had to leave and then realize, oh, come back. But nonetheless, I think that's what made me homesick the whole time I was in Sacramento, but also drove me to want to represent this place in the best way that I possibly could. It's undercurrent, though, of self-satisfaction and resistance to change. That can be a negative. I think the change, change is our friend, change is inevitable, so we have to make it our friend. It isn't always our friend, but I think we're part of a larger world and I think maybe being in the legislature and working with people who represented every different kind of place in the state.
Speaker 2:Give me a much broader perspective. I came to see the university as part of the larger effort to educate future generations and not just our own quaint little institution. Big picture.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody called it the Humboldt. No, yeah, we want to do it. No, it's just, there's an arrogance and a limited. We're not curious. No, we're not going to do that, you know, we're let's. Yeah, so maybe it's a Humboldt.
Speaker 2:Yes, Well, that's really what I believe in, you know, or maybe? And well, it should be, yes, but because I don't think we should just say that all change is good, all growth is good. But, you know, we do have to share the planet with other human beings and we have to share the bounty of what we have. And, frankly, one of the other things I've learned is to have compassion for the people who lived here before we showed up and wondered who the heck we were and why we wanted to change things. So those are lessons that I feel blessed with, that I sometimes have to get in arguments with my friends about One of the things that happened to me when I came home. It was about the time that Josiah Lawson was murdered and I came to be aware through various means that students of Cutler, which are now 50% of the student body at Cal Poly how?
Speaker 1:about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, about 40% Latino or Latinx, about 10% black and native indigenous folks that they're not always made to feel welcome. And you know Arcada. I do remember Lake Wobigone on NPR.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Well, every.
Speaker 2:Saturday. The underlying about Lake Wobigone is, you know all the children are not above average and Arcada is not nirvana.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we have our imperfections, and racism exists everywhere, sure. And one particular thing that really pushed me was there were a couple of graduate students at Humboldt who did a project where they interviewed students of Cutler about their experience of living in Arcada and then they put them online and I watched some of them.
Speaker 1:Not too flattering.
Speaker 2:I just broke my heart. There was one young black woman who said that she'd been called a name and been treated badly in her first few months in Arcada and I start to tear up when I tell this story because I bawled when I first saw it. She said she went back to campus and never left and she was transferring for her senior year to Hayward and that just really is a counter to the narrative that we all have and I'm not pointing fingers because I have that same kind of, aren't we great?
Speaker 1:mindset.
Speaker 2:But I decided to get involved in a small way in volunteering to be more to try to make Arcada feel like a more welcoming community for those students actually all students, but specifically focusing on students of color. So I'm part of a working group called Home Away From Home and four times a year we do community potlucks where we invite all students, but our message is really directed to the students of color and we feed a couple hundred students and we provide each of them with a bag of goodies, household goods and personal care items. That's cool.
Speaker 1:Where do you do the dinner?
Speaker 2:At the D Street Community Center, neighborhood center which is right there by the off ramp. Just walk as a student, go right there and we've contemplated trying to move somewhere bigger, because that place sometimes gets packed with students. I hope the fire marshal isn't watching or listening. We won't tell them, but it's so close to campus and the students we most want to reach are students like that young woman who've been delivered a message that they don't belong here, and we wanted to deliver a message to them that they do.
Speaker 1:And if Arcada's guilty? I can't imagine and I won't call it another city name right now, but other outlying areas would be subject to similar behavior.
Speaker 2:But there's a. I was kind of shocked and when I have this conversation individually with people because they say what are you doing, wes? And I tell them about this, a lot of them are very taken aback. I think there's a ability. Most of us white people were raised to believe that the problems were in the past and we're all past of that. Lbj fixed all that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the 60s took care of that Right. Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:And when you live in a generally tolerant liberal community, there's a difficulty in seeing what's wrong as well.
Speaker 1:That's really great.
Speaker 2:It gives me a chance to have a conversation with people and talk to them about it and make them think about it too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that must have a name, that obtuse blindness to whether it's liberal or curtservative or in moderate. I think there's a blindness to Self-reflection yeah. It's not just individual reflection.
Speaker 2:It's not finger pointing, it's not saying, because you haven't noticed it, you're some kind of terrible person. It's learning, it's a path, it's a journey, but it's really discomforting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not a comfortable topic.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's great you brought it up, by the way but to think that we would suffer from that. Those are the guys that we love. We want to bring everybody into the.
Speaker 2:Well, and they're the future environmental engineers who are going to go out and provide big solutions and Change the world.
Speaker 2:And the world is not all, especially and increasingly California is not all middle-class white people. The CSU system is educating a group of people that we need to be educated and I'm proud that Arcada and Humboldt is part of that and providing that. The other volunteer gig that I've recently resigned from. But I spent quite a few years after I left the legislature on the board of something called the Pacific Forest Trust, and it's a forest conservation organization that works to provide financial incentives for private forest landowners to prioritize not just producing lumber but producing trees that sequester carbon and fight climate change, provides wildlife and fish habitat. There's a variety of ways to do that and the Pacific Forest, based in San Francisco. The other board member I served with is Andrea Tuttle, who's well known to many of your viewers and listeners, but I spent quite a few years working with them on forest policy and Sacramento, so I pretty much removed now from the Sacramento scene and no longer on the board, but that was another volunteer gig that I've been working.
Speaker 1:And that differs from the land trust that Dennis Rael is part of, and they actually actively acquire lands, right, right, so a little different focus.
Speaker 2:The Pacific Forest Trust owns a few chunk of forest land, but the primary focus is on making it economically advantageous for a private landowner to manage your land in a way similar to the Arcada Community Forest, and so they've done a lot of good work all over Northern California, oregon, washington.
Speaker 1:Dennis made a nice comment. It was that in that role that he's played there, they've got to mix and mingle with a lot of people of all political persuasion and found common ground.
Speaker 2:Well, in my closing years in the legislature I was able to chair the Assembly Natural Resources Committee and I put together a working group of lumber companies, foresters, forest land owners and conservationists to work together to kind of come up with some common solutions. And we had some success. And Pacific Forest Trust was key to that. But it is what Dennis was talking about you're mentioning, which was to leave your guns at the door and open your mind and listen, and that's the idea of incentivizing private landowners. It's not creating more government ownership. It's trying to make sure that the vast majority of forest lands which have been impacted by logging and outside of the national forests in this state and national parks, most of the forest lands are privately owned and helping forest landowners move to a better level of environmental sustainability and support for and it's using incentives instead of just the rules. It's a carrot instead of a stick.
Speaker 1:One more thing he said we'll move on from that is it's not a big love fest. There's a lot of Took, a little work.
Speaker 2:Took a little work, Dennis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, took years. Yeah, takes some work.
Speaker 2:But it's good for the soul.
Speaker 1:Good work yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like part of connected to my evolution in terms of looking back at our attitude towards some of the old timers in Arcada when we took over the political operation that took over City Hall, how it must have felt and learning to respect and appreciate different points of view, which I know there might be some old timer out there saying I wish he'd learned that less than 50 years ago.
Speaker 1:We are them.
Speaker 2:And I'll fast to having had a long and winding road to concluding that it's important to listen and respect other points of view, but I think that's where we need to be and where we need to go.
Speaker 1:So what do you see opportunity ahead in terms of? We'll hear a lot and talk about homelessness and we have a touch on that. That's fine. But in terms of jobs, homelessness, medical, where do you? I hear you saying the university holds a lot of keys to a lot of this. I don't think any one thing holds the solution for it all. But what are your, what's your sense about our future?
Speaker 2:Well, there are not, unfortunately, singular solutions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sadly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do have. In spite of a little bit of criticism of ourselves a few minutes ago, I do have a lot of confidence in this community and its capacity to find solutions and find unique solutions, and I think we have to work together.
Speaker 2:We have to have a tight, strong relationship with our legislators in Sacramento who, fortunately, we've been blessed that they've not neglected us. When Patty Berg and I both left the legislature, I thought it might be the last time we'd have anybody from up here. It may be, but I do know that we need to keep them connected and they've helped a lot, both our current assembly member and our senator. But we need to keep that connection strong because the worst thing that can happen to us is that in our self-satisfaction, we isolate ourselves Sure.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:We cut out yeah.
Speaker 1:Now is Rusty running for assembly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I wasn't going to mention names. That's crazy. I wasn't going to say anything.
Speaker 1:Hey, rusty, he's and he lives in Arcata. Right, he does, he does.
Speaker 2:See, I kind of like that, I mean I Somebody has to come home to be in Humboldt County.
Speaker 1:Right and he would be.
Speaker 2:He would have a pulse and His wife's here and his home's here.
Speaker 1:He has to go through that airport up there and or drive or see a doctor here and deal with the ER, you know. So I that doesn't hurt, yeah, yeah, that can't hurt, I like that.
Speaker 2:But if he's not successful and we don't know what's going to happen there's a pass of a candidate's running. We have to work, as we did with Mike McGuire and Jim Wood, to make sure that they know us and care for us, and also our current congressman, our previous congressman, mike Thompson, make sure that they're connected, even if they've lived 200, 300 miles away you know, yeah, and they seem to pay attention to Humboldt, right, yeah, yeah, and I think for you you've reached a part of the show, or we ask you a couple questions about, well, fun stuff.
Speaker 1:So, wesley, you're given a $500 gift certificate to go eat out. Where do you take your sweetheart tonight?
Speaker 2:Lerapin, it's always Lerapin. Yeah, we're always working on it.
Speaker 1:Lerapin comes up a lot here.
Speaker 2:We're always working on finding a new favorite and we do spread it around, but if it's a special occasion it's always Lerapin and Cindy and I go back to Dixie at the Helltop Tavern in West Haven, in the Hillaride. Yeah, and for the whole time I was in the legislature, dixie put on every, and actually her successor in ownership Is that Paul. Paul, yeah, put on an annual Holiday Gale Fundraiser for me in December every year. How about that? And we'd post it online and it would sell out immediately.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course.
Speaker 2:And so I have just a fond, fond feel and I have to give Paul credit for keeping that spirit, that Dixie spirit, alive and I got a little quick little story. Sure, we're running out of time, you're great. Yeah, I was walking into a Mexican restaurant in Faroaks, east of Sacramento, who was sitting there talking to her son, but Dixie oh, really yeah. So we had a very fond. That was Dixie's son. Yeah, her son was in Faroaks.
Speaker 1:And as a Mexican restaurant, or we just did this?
Speaker 2:No, they were just there.
Speaker 1:How about that?
Speaker 2:And I think he's. She still owns, I believe, or they did until recently, the sauces. They sold the restaurant, but they still own the sauces and he, I think believe, is the what's the right term. He manages and markets that for her. For them, I'm not sure what the ownership arrangement is the Muscovite.
Speaker 1:Dill Sauce, by the way. Put it on anything. It's amazing. The barbecue is great.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Funny. We just ate there Tuesday night. It was delicious, had the lamb and we met our daughter lives up in Moise. We have nine kids and they're all over Amsterdam and Medford but they're friends who've traveled the world, ate there and they said, hey, every bit as good as anything in California.
Speaker 2:And there's an atmosphere. And there's an atmosphere, it's a vibe, yeah, and I don't know how Paul has successfully I thought it was just Dixie, but he's you walk in there and it still feels. It feels I can feel the spirit of Dixie there. So he's really managed. I mean, in some ways made it his own, but he's also preserved the real, that special feel. The atmosphere there is wonderful.
Speaker 1:Never had a bad meal, ever, not even close. So what was it called? Because our wait staff was telling us on the hill when it was in West Haven.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was called the Hilltop Tavern and I don't know that building might be the West Haven Center for the Arts or it was a couple.
Speaker 1:It was kind of a little cafe thing, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you know Dixie's story at all. I don't know if we have time to tell it.
Speaker 1:She was married to Perr, who was she was Long before that. Okay.
Speaker 2:Don't know the only when Fred neighbor enjoys how owned John Belaya in the early 70s they hired her to come in on Friday nights, or maybe she just made the money of.
Speaker 2:She did these small plate meals on Friday nights before the band early in the evening and people loved her food and so some people. My understanding of the story I may it may be a poker of a lie, I don't know but my understanding of the story is that people, some of the patrons said Dixie, you need to be in business and we'll help you put the money up to open.
Speaker 1:And she opened it in a little hovel in West Haven which, of course, in a lot of remote, which is just why boom, boom, boom, boom grew into Lerp.
Speaker 2:Lerp is still not centrally located.
Speaker 1:I was going to say that it should be successful because it's on the other side of the other side of Trinidad.
Speaker 2:Once upon a time that was the highway, but you know Right right?
Speaker 1:Was that the old colonial inn? Is that what it was?
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, no, you're right, it's captured that same vibe and it's delicious and hey, hey.
Speaker 2:Dixie Never came later and then, I think, helped her diversify the menu. She was pretty oriented towards Southern cooking initially and he kind of made it a little more continental, a little broader, and it's Lerp and good.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, what was it? Was he Danish? I Maybe he's could be Dutch.
Speaker 2:I don't know yeah.
Speaker 1:And what did they serve up on the hill? Just to park on the, because I think it's a legacy.
Speaker 2:Well, I remember chicken and ribs, and it's Chicken and ribs and it had kind of a Southern, Southern flavor Right.
Speaker 1:And then they moved down and they diversified their menu a bit. Yeah, no delicious food. So okay, round two you get a day to go for a hike. Where do you go? And you can't say the arcade, you could say whatever forest you want.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a hard one because I got a lot of favorites. What are you top three? I'd say, if time is limited, it's the marsh, or the arcade, or forest.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:And it depends on whether I'm alone or not, because, cindy, we have a beach wheelchair.
Speaker 1:Oh, nice, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Cindy can't hike a rugged trail or even very far on a level trail.
Speaker 1:But not a beach chair.
Speaker 2:I'm able, for example, to take her up, lady Bird Johnson Grove. Yeah, it's a little bit of a push, pushing her up the hill, but we're able to do that.
Speaker 1:Beautiful.
Speaker 2:And now at Prairie Creek they have this amazing device. It's a electric, I don't know what, I can't remember what it's called, but it's got a track on it. It's like a small tractor how about that? And it allows people. You have to reserve it because it's very popular, but anybody out there who's not mobile, I encourage you to try it. So you go to the headquarters at Prairie Creek and you can. You got to call them or go online and reserve it.
Speaker 1:Is there just one of those? Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then there's a designated safe trail for it, but it's spectacular.
Speaker 1:Is it the trail right where the creek is?
Speaker 2:Right behind between the creek and the campground.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the HQ right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's a wonderful, cindy loves it. Another short, very short one, if we don't have time, is and we take the beach wheel chairs out to Clam Beach, you know.
Speaker 1:Okay, sure.
Speaker 2:So there's a few.
Speaker 1:There's some right there. Yeah, Jenny likes to go out in the mallal dunes and hike that Well that's a personal.
Speaker 2:I don't get out there very often, but when I do it is a super personal favorite yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I should be pointing these on the map, but I think I'll resist that temptation right now. So let, as we close here, what do you, what do you want us to say at your, at your, at your funeral and your celebration of life? And what does it say on your tombstone? If you could envision that? And what would you have us say about Wesley?
Speaker 2:Well, that I cared a lot, that I realized that life is a journey and not a destination and that it's a learning curve and I had to be open to learning that I didn't know as much as I thought I knew. Such a great lesson and it humbled me, you know, made me, I think, a better servant of the public and taught me to do a better job and try to try to see others, try to understand other people's perspectives and what life might look like from their point of view, whether it's somebody who came from a different culture, a different color skin, or just that they politically disagree with me about something. Love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and, by the way, that's going to take a really big tombstone to put all that on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, as far as I should start, we're getting to the age I am. I start thinking about what they, what I wanted, what we really want, is a bench at the marsh. That would be my that's cool. We did when Cindy's folks died. We installed the bench on the on the Hammond Trail, over looking the river and the ocean. Yeah, and you know that's a substitute for the old burial spot. You know what was her?
Speaker 1:what were their names?
Speaker 2:Wayne and Crystal. Okay, kellogg.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I've seen that bench.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just at the bottom of Murray Road. It's, if you turn at the bottom of Murray Road on the paved section, it'd be the first bench you come to.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm thinking about Johnnie Hammond on the Hammond Trail.
Speaker 2:I wondered about that, if there was any connection.
Speaker 1:Well, that's going to really lie to you right now and try to be funny, but it won't work. They didn't name it after you. So with my teenagers it's like hey, scotty Hammond, hammond Trail, really, oh, that's a great great grandfather Jedediah Hammond Renn, hammond Lumber, which is. It's all the lies, but the truth is Hammond Lumber had that rail bed and they were the number one.
Speaker 2:Here's another example.
Speaker 1:Yeah, number one Redwood producer. And then they, they monopoly bus. They broke the monopoly.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, they hauled a whole lot of those old growth trees out, but they offered us a preserved road bed that is now a phenomenal trail.
Speaker 1:Hey, man and we, and more trails coming.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know between, we just walked that new section South of Eureka down to the power plant. It was magical. I'm looking there's this cloud show going?
Speaker 2:I'm going, this is it's not raining and it's not very warm or sunny, but it was just a views, not impulse to restore wetlands has spread from Arcata to Eureka and beyond.
Speaker 1:Interesting, yeah, the trail, the trail ethos and we're going to get one to Blue Lake one day, and then, I guess, one to I don't know San Francisco.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what they say. It'll be probably not in our lifetime, but it's a great dream and I'm all for it, they'll get started.
Speaker 1:Hey, wesley, appreciate your service.
Speaker 2:Thank you for everything you've done for the county and our doing Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Thanks for having me and thank you again.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you.
Speaker 1:All right, bye.