#122. Maggie Kraft on A1AA, Aging Services, and Rural Care

Maggie Kraft joins Scott Hammond for a conversation about the Area 1 Agency on Aging and the everyday work of helping older adults in Humboldt and Del Norte counties. She talks about how A1AA fits into the Older Americans Act system, why rural funding and transportation are constant challenges, and how volunteers, partner agencies, and local staff help stretch limited resources into real support. The conversation also covers meals, caregiver support, in-home help, health promotion classes, home share, HICAP Medicare counseling, the digital divide, and what people can find at a1aa.org.

Transcript

Welcome And Meet Maggie Kraft

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Ladies and gentlemen, friends and neighbors, it's Scott Hammond with the 100% Humboldt Podcast with my new best friend and guest, Maggie Kraft. Hi, Maggie.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Hi there. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:10

I am very well. It's good to see you. You too. It's good to be back here in my podcast chair.

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Yeah. After a little trip.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Yep. Got a got out of town, took Joni away for her forty our 46th anniversary.

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I w I thought you were going to say her 40th birthday. And I was like, My 40th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You you started way you got married way before you were born.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Yeah. That math does not add up. Nope. So tell tell me who you are. What do you do?

SPEAKER_03 0:35

Who am I? Well, I'm Maggie. What do I do? Uh right now I'm the executive director at the Airy One Agency on Aging. And I've been there for about since 12.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

So going on 14 years. Wow. Ran the show. Tell us tell us about Area One. Oh. A1AA, and you want to call it AAA.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

Yeah, we don't have to since it's the state farm enhanced show here.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

It's not on purpose.

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No, no, I know.

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Um wait, do I have oh I had it on.

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Oh wait, he he does. Oh, I didn't know. Oh, he didn't know. Well uh so uh the Area One Agency on Agent has been around since 1980. And the first director there, executive director, was Patty Berg, who passed, just passed recently this last year already. And it was started when the Older Americans Act, which is a federal piece of legislation passed to uh really encourage better services for older adults. Just uh the same thing that was happening with Social Security and lack of revenue, money for people as they grew older for a lot of people, um, looking at the systems, looking at services. And so the federal government mandated that there would be area agencies throughout the country. Each state does it a little bit differently, but there's a state unit on aging always, and then there's triple A's throughout the states. And ours, we have 33 area agencies on aging in the state. And our program serves Humboldt and Donor counties.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

So we serve two counties.

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Two counties. Some serve five, some serve seven.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

How does it rank in terms of services? Do you is it bigger, more quality in your your mind compared to, say, Imperial or San Diego County?

SPEAKER_03 2:23

I think that's not a question. That's not a question that is easy to answer. It depends how what you're ranking on.

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Yeah.

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Um I would say in terms of volunteers and commitment, we rank top in terms of the people that work with us, the people who volunteer with us, our board, our advisory council. Yeah, we're the best. But in terms of if you're talking funding or available services, obviously, like any other rural area, we struggle.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Sure. Right.

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They the funding is primarily based on population.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Okay. So we're behind the eight ball immediately.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Yeah. Because you have to any business, you know, any business, you have to have enough money to open your doors and keep your office going. And the that costs pretty much a certain amount. And and while we don't have the rents that they have in LA, our gas prices are better than any.

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Right.

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So I mean, it it's hard to put in a positive slant on that. Why am I doing that? Our gas prices are terrible.

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We've got to do a hard stop on that one. We have the best gas prices in America. We do. We're awesome.

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More is good. Um be better. Uh so anyway, it's um but there are certain services that the federal government mandates you provide at some level. And so those uh tend to be the ones that those of us who barely get enough money to do those, do those. Um of the areas that get more can do more things.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Right. And so volunteers are great.

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Volunteers, boy. Without the volunteers in our programs, we'd we'd be 20 people.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Right. Barely. Barely. And Patty Berg, she's legend, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:00

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Patty Patty never slept, so that she had the advantage in that she could work pretty much 24-7.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

I met people like that. Yeah. Betty Chins claims she never sleeps.

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I think Betty, that's probably true. I have to.

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I want to do a shout out to Patty Berg.

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Yeah.

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Even though she's not present in this dimension.

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Yeah.

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Hi, Patty.

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Hey, Patty. Yeah.

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Everybody loves her. I think it's what a go-getter, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:22

She was. She was great. And I, you know, when I moved up here, when I I moved up here when I was 26 uh to take the position as the director, executive director of a small agency called Redwood's Ombudsman. And um that ran the long-term care ombudsman program and senior legal services back in the day. And she was the director then of of the Area One agency.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Okay.

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And we got our funding. All of our funding really came through through the Older Americans Act for the Ombudsman Program and for Legal Services, which both of those are mandated services and funded.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Who passed the act?

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Who?

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah. Was it was that like Johnson or before that?

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God, you know, because the funding didn't come until like the the 80 um or late 70s. But but it it happened. It was happening in the 60s. All the the stuff was all kind of all those things that were happening to recognize that we weren't supporting older adults and the poverty that was being seen and things like that. Um but that it didn't really get funded and started up with any money until until later, until the uh that year.

SPEAKER_00 5:31

Let's come back to the agency. I want to know about uh about Maggie. Okay. Tell me where where were you where are you from?

SPEAKER_03 5:37

I was born in San Francisco.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

Wow, in the city.

SPEAKER_03 5:41

I was born there. I spent a great six months there, and then I moved um to Palo Alto and then uh grew up there, had a great time. Not a bad place to grow up.

SPEAKER_00 5:55

Great place.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Yeah, had good schools, had a crazy family, still have a crazy family, but there's fewer of us.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

Hey, who doesn't?

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Yeah, I mean, get in line. Um and then I went

What Area One Agency Does

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to school in Santa Cruz, UC Santa Cruz, and after that I moved to Sacramento. And after four years in Sacramento, where every summer people would say, It never gets this hot, I said, I'm out of here. And so I started applying for positions in Seattle, actually. I was getting my master's in social work, and I thought, okay, I gotta get back to the ocean, I get back nearer the water again. And so I was aiming for Seattle when the position that I told you about came open here. And I applied and they picked me.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

Pretty close to the ocean. It's darn, darn close. This is where I point to my map. See my map?

SPEAKER_03 6:39

I I stare at your map.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Oh, wait. Yeah, I'm staring at the map.

SPEAKER_03 6:42

I love this map.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

We're gonna show everybody that doesn't know where the ocean is. Wait. I have a light. Or maybe we will. Where's my oh there it is. So this is Humboldt County, California. We're in Eureka. And there is the ocean.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

Does he do this every show or is this?

SPEAKER_00 6:59

I try to use my map.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Now where's Hay Fork?

SPEAKER_00 7:03

Hayfork. Hayfork is right out. Hayfork is east, so it's along this 36 out this way. It's probably right here on this edge, right in here.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

I've never done the quiz. Go for it. Um Well, I do I get a dick tailor bar?

SPEAKER_03 7:19

You do. I do want to mention that um so funny thing, now that there's maps, you know, you can Google places and how to get places. And we used to have state auditors come up. They don't come since COVID. And, you know, they'd all we'd always be very careful. We'd say, you know, they're going, well, we're gonna come up five, we're gonna take 36. And we're like, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

No.

SPEAKER_03 7:37

Don't do that. Don't do that. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

No dead.

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And so so we would tell them, no, the best thing, come up 20, that's come up that way. It's probably the best way. Well, when we got audited um at during COVID at some point, they were disallowing a cost because the person receiving whatever we were doing lived in Carlotta or whatever else is out there, and they couldn't find it on a map. So they were saying it doesn't exist. And we're like, you don't have the right map.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

So from now on, if they ever come back, I'm saying you need to take 36. It's the best way to get here. Because then they'll see Carlotta. They'll know, they'll see everything.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

But um They're from Dinsmore.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was something like that. It's like just because you can't find it on a map doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 8:23

We're from Mad River, California. Yeah. Where?

SPEAKER_03 8:26

It's crazy, crazy stuff. So yeah. I'm looking forward to them auditing again so I can give them good directions.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Early in our marriage, my mom came from Iowa and she said, Hey, Bob, look, it's a shortcut through 36. This is when 36 is like this is 40 years ago. It was just crap. And it was still dirt road. And and he got so mad when he they arrived, he was fuming.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Wanda. Anyway. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

You are no longer my navigator.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Ever. So back to Palo Alto, I have uh two new hips from Stanford that are well, they're not new, they're 13 years old now. Same day.

SPEAKER_03 9:02

You have two what now?

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Two hips.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Oh, oh. I thought you were telling me you had twins. No, no. But then you said 13 years, and then I said, oh, the hip. But you do kind of have twins. They're hipsters. I swear to God. You have two hipster twins. No, that's repetitive.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

They're still working though. That's the good thing.

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That's good.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Yeah. Palo Alto's fun.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

We stayed up on the hill by the linear accelerator and whatever that's it's has Slack. Slack. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Stanford Linear Accelerator Cuz.

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The beginning of micro of um whatever that technology that gives us Google. Anyway.

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It's going to say microbrewer brewery, but that's not it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:43

So did you see The Grateful Dead growing up and hang out? No. No? Okay.

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No.

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I figured that would be No, I was Yeah, no. Yeah. Because they were all part of Bay Area thing anyway.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Yeah. I was a little younger than them. So still am.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

You went to school in in SAC? Santa Cruz.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

UC Santa Cruz went there and then went to SAC for my master's and social work. Very cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

UC Santa Cruz, what are they, the banana slugs?

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We are the slugs.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

The slugs. What a great school that is.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

I've been to that campus and they changed it to the sea lions at some point. They changed because they thought, oh, slugs. It's so slugs. But but the slugs won are back.

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Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Lumberjacks were going to be the marble muralettes. Say that. Yeah. No. They weren't successful. So you came and started this new job with Ombudsman.

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Aaron Powell, yeah. I did that for about 10 years. And then I um went and I started working with a senior center. I ran their social services and their adult day health Alzheimer's services. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

It's done in Wabash over that way.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Yeah, California. Which is where my offices were before. We were co-located there anyway. So um so then I transitioned to that. And then after we raised the money to build the Alzheimer's Resource Center, I said, geez, I need a break. And I joined the Peace Corps.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Wow, that's pretty rad.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Yeah. It's a joke. Because you don't join the Peace Corps if you need a break. But anyway.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

What year was that?

SPEAKER_03 11:10

That was 11, 2011.

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Did you travel?

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I did some. I did some.

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What'd you do?

SPEAKER_03 11:17

Well, I traveled around Botswana. That's fun times. Pretty rad. Pretty flat. Pretty uh but I went I went to South Africa, Cape Town, uh, Johannesburg. I went to uh um where else I go, is uh Zambia. I didn't go a lot of places, Victoria Falls, I went there just because I wasn't there to travel. That wasn't that wasn't why we were there. Right. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

Wow, how many years?

SPEAKER_03 11:42

I was I was there for about a year and a half, and then I they called me back. They said, you know, a friend of mine called and goes, you know, Maggie, I've been in the Peace Corps. I know what you're doing, but we need you to come back here. I won't name his name, but um and it was my dad had died um a little earlier, and I was concerned about my stepmom, you know, how well she wasn't doing that great. So I said, okay, fine.

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I love it. I love a midlife Peace Corps journey.

SPEAKER_03 12:13

And we were had there were about 40 of us in the group, 39. One didn't get on the bus in New York, but um and about a quarter of us were over 40. Wow. And uh they call Botswana Peace Corps, Peace Corps Light. It's uh, you know, it's in terms of African countries, it's doing pretty well or had been doing pretty well for itself. And so um, but yeah, we had about 20, you know, quarter of us were over 40.

SPEAKER_00 12:39

That's really cool. I love that. So coming back, was it tough?

SPEAKER_03 12:43

I couldn't go into a Costco. That was too overwhelming. Wow. I mean, it still is for for you know, there are times you have to choose consciously, I'm gonna go in there with those people. But those those people. And then when you go, you have to just chill out and not be one of those people. So I don't go to Costco unless I can just go with the flow.

SPEAKER_00 13:02

Joni goes weekly and she said it's there's never slow Costco anymore.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Used to be slow Costco times, it's never that way.

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You know where I found out when it was because I didn't know this, but apparently on Sunday they close at six. I didn't know that.

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Yes.

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So I got in there at 5 30 and I'm walk and I'm doing a slow wander looking at things. And I start looking around, go, God, it's so not busy here. What's going on?

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And then I that's the time.

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And then I see someone, she's looking at me and I go, Are you guys closing? She goes, Yeah, we're closing. So I, you know, I got myself, you know, I took that seriously, got myself together to go out, you know, get in line. And there are still people wandering around not even caring. I'm like, yeah, it's 5 30 on Sunday, just go. They won't kick you out.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Yeah.

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I mean, eventually they I didn't forget.

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You have to go, but yeah. Yeah.

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But it oh, it was nice. It was like everyone was just focused and moving and yeah.

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We used to do a date night there, which is kind of weird. I guess maybe not if you're from McKillyville, but love you, McKillyville. But yeah, we would go down and get uh snacks and food and all the weekly stuff, and there was no children involved. So that was that was a win.

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Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

There's so kid. No one yelling for anything.

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Aaron Ross Powell Well, not your kids.

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None of our kids.

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Yes. Somebody's yelling for something.

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Aaron Ross Powell Funny thing is we'd see other people on date nights there. That was the that was the the strange and funny part. That's pretty good. Aaron Ross Powell So back to your current gig. Um tell what kind of divisions of A1AA are there?

SPEAKER_03 14:23

Aaron Ross Powell Well, we do a lot of different things. Um we have I mean, there's there's two main parts of what we do. One is we provide services ourselves, and the other is we excuse me, provide funding to other agencies to provide some of the mandated services. And so the part of that is then we have to monitor them, we have to track how they're spending the money, we have to do all that kind of stuff. Uh we have we also part of that administrative piece is to develop a plan, an annual plan, actually a four-year plan that we update every year that talks about the population, the needs, the issues, talks about what services we're going to provide with the money we get to try to address those issues, get input from the community on those on ideas and services. So, and and you know, that whole idea is in a way, I think, originally predicated on the fact that you could actually talk to people about what is needed and do those things because you would somehow have all the money you needed to do those things, and everyone would agree on what those things were. And one, and once you did them for a while, if you were trying to solve problems, you would solve problems. But uh the issues are the same they were as they were 20, 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

I mean, so they're the same. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Well, it's you know, housing, health care, uh, transportation, caregiving, uh, these are, I mean, we see it again and again. And why would they change? I mean, why would they change if if you know if you haven't made locations closer to each other, if you haven't, you know, I mean, if you haven't made housing, built enough housing, if you haven't supported your health care system so it can actually, it's not run by insurance companies, but it's actually run by people who are taking care of you and you're taking care of yourself. And if we don't have a system in place for anybody but family members to really be providing the bulk of care for people, though how would it change?

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Good point.

SPEAKER_03 16:25

So but so we do that process on that end, and we and then we have to give a bulk of some of this funding to three different services. And by the time we give that to uh legal services access,

Why Rural Funding Falls Short

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they call it, which is our information assistance, because if you don't know who to call, then you're not gonna get anything. So getting, letting people know we're there and call, and we may not serve provide the service, but we'll help you find the service. And and then the other one is in-home, which is trying to provide some kind of service to people in their home. Well, what do people need? They need household chores done, they need laundry, they need shopping, they need cooking, they need personal care, they need all this stuff. And the problem with this is they don't need it once, one and done. If I need shopping or laundry done, I probably need that on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Right.

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So we're uh a lot of these programs aren't funded to provide that on a regular basis. So that's challenging. Um and then we're supposed to be providing nutrition program, nutrition services, either uh a home-delivered meal, meals on wheels, or for that's for people who can't go into the centers, or at the center what they call congregate dining. So we provide funding to the Humboldt Senior Resource Center and Donort Senior Center to provide meals. Well, we found out during COVID that, well, first of all, during COVID, a a lot of people who would never have gone to the senior center needed meals. So, and we they we switched into drive-up meals so people could drive up and get their meals. Um but there's just not money for that. And the food costs, transportation costs is just going up. So so these rules have been laid out and made by this law, and the state is supposed to put additional funding into it to match the federal government's funds, and local communities are also supposed to pitch in. Um, but it's harder and harder for all those entities to to keep doing that.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Um, and and so the the funding has not kept up simply with the number of people that are turning 60 every year, living longer.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Wow. Yeah. It's acute. So it's kind of like a giant wave that continues to build.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Yeah. And um I'll talk about that in, but I wanted the last service, I want two other services I want to mention is really that are funded by the Older Americans Act. One is family caregiver support, which is something that a lot of family caregivers don't think they're caregivers. My my my stepmom was the same. I I remember showing up at their house one day and she was stressed out. I've never seen her stress out. And she was saying kind of not such nice things about my dad, which she's never done. And I looked at her, I go, Lorna, what's going on? You are really stressed out. I said, we need to get you some support. She doesn't live here, she lives down in the Bay Area. I go, we need to get you some caregiver. I'm not a caregiver. I said, What do you mean you're not a caregiver? Well, I don't get paid. That's not the definition of caregiving, but family caregivers, they just think this is part of what you do for your spouse or your parents. And it is. And you're also a caregiver.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

And you're a caregiver.

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So uh a lot of people don't think about that, but there's support groups, there's education, there's counseling, um, there's respite funds to pay for somebody to come in and give you a break so that you can still go to your doctor's appointments, you can still go see your friends and all those things while you're caring for somebody.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Have a life.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Yeah. I mean, and then the last one is it's health promotion. So primarily we do exercise classes uh because fall prevention is critical. The the people, once you fall once, you're likely to keep falling. And then you start limiting what you do out of fear of falling. You don't want to leave your house. You can walk around your house kind of holding on to things. Sure. You know, how many people, there's a lot of people who drive to the grocery store, grab a cart as soon as they can. And that's how they move around.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

That's their walker.

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And I mean, there's a and and it's but they're going, they're doing it, and and we're all adapting to whatever we have to adapt to, but building strength, maintaining strength. We lose a lot of muscle, we lose a lot of strength as we get older. If you're not doing something to maintain it, you're losing it. So those are the main things we offer. In Del Norte, we also do a lot of digital divide classes. So teaching people how to use iPads and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 20:54

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Our staff person up there is the one they come into and say, How do I get my phone to do this, that, and the other thing? We also have those classes, some classes here in Humboldt. We were heavy in Humboldt initially, and now we're heavier up in Del Norte. So we have a home share program. We match people with uh who have housing and a a a room that to rent with older adults primarily who can't afford a one-bedroom apartment in this community anymore. You know, $11, $1,300, $1,500 for a one bedroom. What one single person can afford that if they're living on Social Security? Right. So we're trying to do uh what we can.

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Yeah.

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With a very limited funding base. And then we get other grants. We have our volunteer driver program, which is really important. We get money from the uh Caltrans. And again, it's volunteers driving people to medical appointments and grocery stores.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Love it. I love I love this program.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

I think it's really uh there's one last one you know about, the one the one you know about, the high cap.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Let's talk about high cap and then let's talk about how let's do a shout-out. You could do a shout-out and websites and Can we donate money? Is that okay?

SPEAKER_03 22:01

Oh, it's absolutely necessary.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

There's ways to do that.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Yeah. You could you could uh you could uh walk in and give us bags of cash. You can go to our website, you could send checks.

SPEAKER_00 22:11

Can I bring a car?

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Can you bring a car?

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Or a home.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Um well you can I bet you can't. Um here's my home. I brought it with me. It's a tiny house. It's a mobile home. It's for elves. Um yes, we we also, you know, we're we're working with a population, and many of them have re uh these are the people we help who have resources. They're having to do their what um required minimum. What is it, the the out of their retirement funds, they have to at a certain age, they have to pull the money out. And if they don't, if they donate it, they don't pay taxes on it. So we take those things. Um but yeah, uh anything we can turn into cash or invest.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

And how would we do that to get a hold of you before you talk about high cap?

SPEAKER_03 22:58

You'd call me at my office. Aaron Powell Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Or there's a website?

SPEAKER_03 23:01

Aaron Ross Powell, there's a website. But if you want to talk about that kind of stuff, give me a call.

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Aaron Powell So estate planning, I could bequeath an estate.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Aaron Powell You could.

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Yeah.

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You could.

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Huh.

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I know my uh when I look at don't let my family hear this, but my estate plan is basically any money I have left in my 403B is going to nonprofits.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Aaron Powell That's cool. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 23:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

So um what's the website address?

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Aaron Powell www.a1AA.org.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

A1.a1a.org.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

A1AA.org.

SPEAKER_00 23:32

That's an easy one.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

Yeah. And it's the letter one, don't write out one.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

And how do we call you?

SPEAKER_03 23:38

I said the letter one.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

You did? Okay. The number one.

SPEAKER_03 23:41

I'm just testing. That is my It's a number.

Meals Chores And In-Home Support

SPEAKER_03 23:45

It's a number. The letter one. How do you what now?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

How do we call you?

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Our number. Yo.

unknown 23:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

How do I use this thing? I really I'm locked out.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

I think that no, that's for um um that's for cracking nuts, the one you have. Oh such. Yeah, that's what that's for. Um it's 707-442-3763.

SPEAKER_00 24:09

3763. Yep. 442-3763. And if you're just joining me, Scott Hammond on the 100% Humboldt podcast with my amazing new best friend Maggie Kraft. And as I'm looking over at Nick, he's amazing too, our producer. Nick Flores. He's he's the amazing guy. So um, yeah, we're just talking about uh uh let's let's top off with HiCap and then I want to know what's in the catalog over there. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

So HiCap does does what?

SPEAKER_03 24:35

Hi Cap is HiCap helps people with Medicare. And it's one of our most popular programs because it really serves people of all income levels. And and many of the work, the services we provide, we tend to serve people more who are lower income, um, just by the nature of the kind of work we're doing. But HICAP hits everybody, and Medicare hits everybody, and it hits people really hard and really

HICAP And The Medicare Maze

SPEAKER_03 25:03

really stupidly. Um I just got an email, not personal email, but from this guy named Ket Ken Dijkwald, who's a uh 76-year-old, I guess he said, uh guy that's been studying and talking about aging and all this stuff. He's been around doing this, and he says, Hey, I'm 76, and I'm willing to admit right now that you you could you could offer me a million dollars to explain Medicare to you, and I wouldn't be able to take the money. He's like, I can't figure this stuff out.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

It's got complexity.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

And um I and I was thinking he could probably figure it out for a million bucks. I mean, hire somebody, but anyway, to help you. But it's it's unnecessary complex. I mean, most of us who you if you have insurance or even Medi-Cal, if you have these things, it's all taken care of. It's one thing. Your your prescriptions are paid for part of it, your everything. And instead, Medicare, they've got part A for and part B, and then you have Part D, and then you have these supplemental things and Medigap things. And it's it's a scam. I mean, when people talk about wanting Medicare for all, what they mean is they want health care for all. We want health care for all. We we don't necessarily want you to all have Medicare, but the idea of having that coverage. But Medicare doesn't pay for a lot of things, too. So um, you know, there's no dental, there's no eye care. All these things don't make a lot of sense. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 26:30

Then there's med-up policies that you can buy to cover some of that. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

To cover some of that. And and so, you know, when people go, oh, I can't wait till I'm 65, we're gonna be on Medicare. Well, if you're I mean, I'm gonna be 65 next year. And I will be paying out of pocket as much as I'm paying out of pocket now for my insurance because my my where I work pays the bulk of my insurance. So if I were unemployed at my age right now, I would never have insurance. I couldn't afford it. It's too expensive. Right. Um, and I know people who who are in that situation. Um so what we do at HICAP, the main thing where we get really super busy is during open enrollment for the drug plans, which is in the fall.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

Coverage D.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Coverage D. Because these drug plans can change. Uh you know, you could have a plan you like and everything's going on fine. They might decide to take the drug you're taking off their plan, or you might have another drug coming into your life that wasn't you weren't taken last year and now it's not on that plan. So it's always a good idea to compare the meds you're taking with the plan you have to make sure it's the best for you because things change.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: And you have people that can guide that process.

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Aaron Powell We do. Unfortunately, we can't do it for like the 30,000 plus or uh who however many there are, people 65 and over in the two counties. But we teach people how to do it themselves. Um we do some workshops to just introductory, but but you can do a lot of this on the website. But if you don't have internet or you can't see your phone enough, uh having a phone and a website, uh it's a combo.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:10

So we do it for a lot of people who um just we have people come in though, some of them, it's like their annual fall trek. I mean, it's almost like, well, we're getting ready for the holidays. Let's go have our Medicare appointment. And they come in and they go, This is what I think I should do. And oh hi, good to see you. And then they, you know, and then they get we re reassure them that they thought it through well and they, you know, they picked the right plan. But but it's hard because I'm, you know, I'm kind of like, hey, staff, let's help the people who can't figure it out by themselves. Let's help the people with like 15 drugs.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Let's coach those guys.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Let's help those people or the low or help the people who qualify get some of the low-income um stipends and things that to help lower their costs. So

Caregiver Support And Fall Prevention

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it's a balancing act. Because we want to help everybody, but there's no way.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Aaron Powell I love this. I love your heart toward this the whole it's so daunting. There's such it's sounds like a huge challenge and it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Yeah, it's a huge challenge and it's sometimes it's ugly, but it's ultimately the work that our volunteers and staff are doing is just fantastic. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

I think there's a bunch of wins too, where it's like we helped. Yeah. We helped Nova. She's great. She's she's rocking. She's got she's dialed in.

SPEAKER_03 29:26

There are there are some things uh that are, you know, happen that you realize if it weren't for our staff or somebody, but we are the ones. If if our staff hadn't stepped in and helped, nobody would have known.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Or they would, you know, there are things that happen all the time that that those of us in the system just assume that the hospital and the insurance and all the par players in the process are all doing it right and everything's gonna work out fine, but that's not always the case. And and people don't know, you don't know what you don't know.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Um so we do from time to time see situations where yeah, that's not against the law, but it's against good ethical practice. Sure. And and um, and so we're there to kind of support the person because people don't want to stand up to the system. They don't want to, you know, make a stink so that they don't have, you know, all of a sudden they can't see their doctor. They can't go, I mean, they need advocates.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

Uh same for the Ombudsman program, going into nursing homes and advocating for those folks. Um though a lot of those people, they're like, this is where I live. These people take care of me. If I rock the boat, I worry.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Right.

SPEAKER_03 30:38

And and, you know, maybe nothing's gonna happen, but you can't tell somebody who's dependent on someone else not to worry. Right. So what we have to do is build, you know, gain trust, work with them, and try to help them resolve the problems in a way that they're comfortable with. And that takes time and a certain that takes uh sensitivity and relationships. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:02

So um Budsman, do they just do only care homes?

SPEAKER_03 31:06

They do long-term care facilities. So nursing, skilled nursing facilities and what we call residential care facilities for the elderly, which now we call them uh assisted living. But like Granada is a skilled nursing facility. So um and Timber Ridge.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Timber Ridge is an assisted living facility. Um the the primary I mean, the main differences is well, some of it is re resources.

Ombudsman Advocacy In Care Facilities

SPEAKER_03 31:32

Nursing homes can be paid reimbursed by Medicaid, Medical, or Medicare, but the Medicare is limited. Um Medicare is usually going to reimburse them. If you're in a hospital and you break your hip and you need rehab, Medicare will pay for rehab. But once you get through the amount of days that they think you need to rehab, you're on your own. And if you and if you don't keep getting better, you know, if you're if you're custodial versus improving, they won't, Medicare won't pay. But then you have to pay privately or you are get on Medicaid or Medi-Cal. I keep saying Medicaid because that's the world. But um so that's a hardship for many

Home Share Tech Help And Rides

SPEAKER_03 32:10

people. Assisted living is all, for the most part, in our community private pay. So you can't even really get in there if you can't pay the monthly amount. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

Which is not cheap.

SPEAKER_03 32:22

No.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:23

When I was a kid as the Ombudsman, um, when I moved up here, we still had a number of facilities that would take SSI, which is supplemental security income, which is a low low bar. I mean, it's people living on SSI aren't making very much money. Sure. But they would take people, a certain number of people who were just SSI recipients. Um more. And they don't do that now. There's I don't think there's any facilities. There might be there might be one facility that has a mix, not just for older adults for others, but then it's challenging. You can't it's not just you can't afford to only take that. I mean you have to run a business too. So that's that's the problem. We're not investing in the care of our elders.

SPEAKER_00 33:06

Aaron Powell Yeah. So it's education and belief systems to start that results in hopefully funding. And um so how can we help? I guess we can volunteer. We could send donations of all sorts of you know, I always think about money. It's not just money. It's like what if I was amazing at technology and I could help get older folks tech-savvy.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Yeah, we have we do have volunteers who do our tech um, you know, our digital divide tech classes. Um we have volunteers different parts of the community. And, you know, volunteers, most of our volunteers are older, they're retired, and so their schedules change or they want to travel. But it's the the one of the things, the volunteer driver program is awesome for uh a volunteer who wants to make their own schedule because we have a system where you go online, you see the rides that are needed for the week, and you sign up for them.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

And if you're gone for a few weeks, you're gone for a few weeks.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Aaron Powell So Entry is easy to become a volunteer with the guys?

SPEAKER_03 34:08

For some programs, yeah. For that, yes. For becoming a Medicare counselor or an ombudsman, no. It's like a huge amount of training because we want you to tell people the right thing. Sure. Um, but you know, for the exercise classes, there is training to become instructors. Um, volunteer driver program is the lowest bar, but you have to be have the insurance levels and a good driving record that we require because when you're driving for our agency, and if there's an accident, whether it's your fault or not, they're going to go after you, they're going to go after us, they're going to go after whatever. And so we have to have our volunteers have good records and the higher levels of insurance that you'd want to have.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

And good insurance.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

And good insurance. Oh, see, now I'm going there.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

See? See.

SPEAKER_03 34:54

People don't realize that it it's like it's not how much your car is worth. It's how much you might have in assets in case somebody went after you. Trevor Burrus, Jr.: That's true. And I and you know, it's like, oh yeah, my car is not worth that much. But no, you're insuring against the worst case scenario of something terrible happening, or somebody's body. Yeah. Yeah. Or somebody coming after you just because they can. Yeah. Um and then you might lose your house. Aaron Powell Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:25

Which we don't want that.

SPEAKER_03 35:26

No, we don't want that.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Trevor Burrus, we don't. That's why you have good insurance. Um if there was, say, a woman age 65 who lived in McKinleyville, who's retired, kids are gone, husband still works, or he's gone, or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

And she had He works or he's gone. Those are different. But anyway, he's gone working? Anyway, pick one. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Yeah. Gone somewhere. He's gone out to lunch. And so she had this time on her hands. She had this block of time Monday through Friday, I don't know, 9 to 3 p.m. every day. Uh five, four days, five days a week. That person could actually give y'all a call and have an assessment of her, his skill skill levels, skill sets, and get plugged into something really meaningful.

SPEAKER_03 36:13

Aaron Ross Powell Absolutely. And if they want to if this woman wants to actually work that much, she can have my job.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Wow.

unknown 36:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

We have an open position, folks.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

No, but uh most people don't volunteer that much, but obviously. But yes, those are, I mean, our prime time for most of the work we do is nine to five kind of thing. But we do some outreach weekends. Our our rides are mostly during the medical work schedule. But if we had more volunteers, we could we could do grow more grocery driving. You know, we can do more things. There are doctors, there are now appointments people are getting on weekends. You know, there's things that are happening. So the beauty about having volunteers for a lot of this work is you can just expand exponentially compared to the idea of having a staff person and I mean what the expenses around that. So and it's I have a friend who moved up here from from Palo Alto. Um and he moved up here and he became a volunteer driver. And he loves it because it was one way for him to get to know people since he was new, but also get to know the community where where things were because he had to drive around.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

What a great idea. Um if I wanted to volunteer or suggest that I talk to this said person, we would call you at 707-442.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

There's some ones in there.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: No. 3763.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

3763.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Yeah.

How To Donate And Get Involved

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Well, we talked to you, it'd be somebody in staff, right?

SPEAKER_03 37:42

Aaron Powell Yeah. What you'd call you know, you call, we have our different program managers who will kind of help you figure out what's and we have an application that you can kind of, you know, and and information about all the different possi possibilities.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Is that online too?

SPEAKER_03 37:57

It might be online because we just had a big volunteer expo. And um uh that our our team came up with the idea volunteer expo out at uh Dorney last week. And I think we've we've got a lot of the stuff online. Cool.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

Can I volunteer too?

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Yes, you can. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

I'd like to do that.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:17

Hey, uh so if you want to volunteer, 707-442-3763. 3763. Or the online is uh www.a1aa.org org.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

That's really easy.

SPEAKER_03 38:32

Yeah, yeah. And we'll help you figure it out. I mean, that different vol you know, our ombudsmen and our high cap volunteering are serious, like you have to put a lot of stuff in your head, you have to pass tests, you have to uh I mean it's it's a commitment and it's an important commitment. It's beautiful, yeah. And some people are really looking for that kind of really knowledgeable, technical kind of work. And others are like, hey, you know, I'd love to give somebody a ride. I do, I give rides. I'm a I'm a volunteer. We have at our agency staff get a certain amount of volunteer hours, paid volunteer hours so they can volunteer doing things.

SPEAKER_02 39:10

Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 39:11

And I I do rides every once in a while, um, mostly when it's somebody just really needs to go and can't reschedule, and we didn't get a ride, a driver. And that happens. We don't want to drop rides, but if we don't have a volunteer. So I do it and it's fun.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Nice. So volunteer, donate. Do you guys do Venmo or PayPal?

SPEAKER_03 39:31

I think we have PayPal. We'll look at that. Yeah. I don't know if we have the Venmo yet. The Venmo.

SPEAKER_00 39:36

The Ven the Venmo. We're going to the Venmo. That's it sounds like a concert. We're going to go to the Venmo and watch uh Jackson Brown. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

The Venmo. Oh, and you just confused like two different things.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

I know, just threw everyone through the loop. So before I ask you what you like about Humboldt, we do the quiz. I got to get my bell here. Oh, there's a quiz, yeah. Because you get to win a fabulous. Oh no. Oh, do you know what I really like, the dark chocolate and peanut butter? That must mean you might like it too.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Absolutely. Do you like chocolate? I love chocolate. Who doesn't?

SPEAKER_00 40:08

My wife tells me that most women, and she could say this is because she's a woman, and I'm I'm just repeating it, dude. That um most women like chocolate. Is that true?

SPEAKER_03 40:19

Aaron Ross Powell I Well, I I have not done a scientific study, but the amount of chocolate that's being sold in and eaten in this world would indicate that not just women like chocolate.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

But meant.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Otherwise, whoa, women, we need to slow them down a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Oh, this is amazing. Amazing chocolate. Yes. So uh having said all that, what do you like about Humboldt?

SPEAKER_03 40:38

What do I like about Humboldt? I like well, can I give an example of please? Um a few weeks ago they did the party, the Dwayne Flatmose um naming of the alley.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

And um Were you there? I was there. And and what I like about Humboldt is one, we do crazy things like that, fun, and just the whole nature of that that race and and that you can live here and really make

What Maggie Loves And Misses Here

SPEAKER_03 41:08

a difference in your community as an average person. Um and just going to that event, looking around and seeing all the people I knew, you know, of all ages. I love that. I love being able to go places and and see people enjoying all kinds of fun things. Um Yeah. So I I think I like that. I like being able to go. I I like to be able to for work. I like to be able to call people that I know and I've built relationships with and we can help each other with different things. I I'm sure that happens at some level in larger communities, but I think it happens more readily in smaller communities. And I like that. I like that.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Sorry, we missed the Dwayne thing. D Dwayne was on our show. He's great. He's crazy, great. He's so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

What did he say? I said, so how's your day going? He goes, he goes, pretty good. I what did I say? And he said, um I don't know, I just thought I'd go on your show. I don't know. It was it was quite funny. He was to be there. Um what do you what do you not care for in Humboldt? We haven't started the quiz yet. This is the lead up. This is the lead up.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

I what I don't care about for so much. I mean, I well, I had a visitor this last weekend who was from Rockaway Beach in New York. Right. And she came over her I call her the my newest oldest friend because I just met her. But she came to the coast to get away from the heat. And then she was just I guess they don't have fog the same way in Rockaway Beach as we have here. And sh and she was she was here when you were trying to fly back in. So she, you know, she's like, this fog, you know, I don't know if I could handle this fog. Um I like the fog. This is not not like, but I like the fog because it does keep people from just moving here.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:00

I mean, if if we had everything we had here.

SPEAKER_00 43:02

With great weather all the time.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

With great weather all the time. And in fact, I know so many older adults who've moved here. You know, they come for a weekend, it's great weather. Oh, they love this place. And and they're like, oh, you know, we don't have Kaiser, right? Right. And they just don't check out all the, you know, but they think that's it's a great place.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

There's no Macy's here.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

There's no Macy's. Oh, thank God, actually.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

Um there's no Trader Joe's.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Trader Joe's. Oh, thank God. I mean, that that's the thing. Those things exist somewhere else, and it's okay. They don't have to all be here. The things I don't like is how hard it is for people who don't drive to get around. Um and I think our communities are doing a l they're doing what they can with buses and and stuff, but uh it's not enough. And yet our society, we're so tuned into trying to drive our own car that those of us who could be more involved in riding public transit. And making it more effective. We're not doing it enough. But even then, I mean, even if it was running twenty four seven, if you're a person who can't get to that bus stop physically, it means nothing.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Right.

SPEAKER_03 44:12

So um, but that that's certainly the case anywhere. But we just it's people, a lot of the folks here live remote. They or you know, or they live like McKinleyville. That's remote.

SPEAKER_00 44:22

Yeah, we're remote.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Um not like w Willow Creek, but um You have a daughter in a wheelchair, she can't get to a bus stop.

SPEAKER_00 44:28

It'd be impossible on the roads and you know, it's kind of laughable to think of Michaela getting there. Yeah, so the fog is a deterrent. That's interesting. And Rockaway Beach, the uh Ramones punk band. Is that it? Remember the Ramones?

SPEAKER_03 44:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Um Peter and Sarah, my friends, will ch check this. I think there's a song called Rockaway Beach.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

There's a song called Rockaway Be Beach. I wouldn't have been able to tell you who sang it.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

So but I got Nick fact-checking that right now by the remote. Wake up and fact-check, but um, I think you could do that on the fly.

SPEAKER_03 45:00

Yeah. Do that as while you're asleep. I so that and um what else do I not like? I mean, there's, you know, there's all kinds of things to not like no matter where you go, and I think most of those things are comparable everywhere. Um I, you know, I went to uh the Friday Night Market on Juneteenth, and it was great to see all the different people out and um and you know, the diversity of folks that were out. Sure. Um because we we see our I think one thing I would say I don't like is I I I wish we weren't as white as we were. I mean, not individually, I can't help it, but I I I do always wish that, you know, that um and so but that's not something I hate. It's just something I would prefer there was a lot more diversity. Good one. That's enough.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

Yeah. Okay, quiz time. Uh oh. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_03 46:01

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00 46:03

Welcome to the quiz. And we still need to look at your magazine when we're done here, because I want you to show our catalog.

SPEAKER_03 46:09

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

Are you ready?

SPEAKER_03 46:10

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

Question number one.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

I get the bell?

SPEAKER_00 46:13

No, that's my bell. Okay. And you don't get the chocolate don't reach for the chocolate yet either.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 46:17

That's my chocolate. Well.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

There are so many rules here, guys.

SPEAKER_00 46:20

It's pretty heavy, man. You've got to earn it. I'm sweating. Earn this. Um Question number one. What do you uh what's your best day ever? My best day ever?

The Quiz Life Stories And Values

SPEAKER_00 46:30

Mm-hmm. Maybe one of them, but a best.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

A day that's already happened, or my my um my hypothetical or not hypothetical dream.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

I mean, you're getting ahead of the quiz. Oh, sure. Your best day that's happened. Oh my god. I will get to the best day. So we'll get to a best day.

SPEAKER_03 46:47

Well, you know, I my memory doesn't go back as far. I mean, it goes back to childhood, and then there's like a 40-year gap, and then it goes back to yesterday. So You too. Yeah. I mean, I will say that I uh my best day every Oh, you know, it was actually this new friend of mine because she lives so in the moment and just does stuff and wants to eat. Yeah. And and my I have not been able to do that for so long.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

What's her first name?

SPEAKER_03 47:23

Her first name is Frankie.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

Frankie, what's up?

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Yeah, Frankie. I should tell her. Well, you know, she she left like a few days ago, and I think she got as far as Crescent City. So, because she just, you know, is exploring things in the moment. At one point, and I'm going, where are you? thinking, oh, she might be in Oregon. I'm in Trinidad. She's like, I'm really glad I didn't come to Trinidad first because I might never have met you. I may never have gone further south than that. Like that's how how spontaneous she is.

SPEAKER_00 47:50

So that's how cool Trinidad is.

SPEAKER_03 47:52

Yes, also. And so just the best day for me is to be able to like let just do what comes. Because my life is so planned out. So much of my life is planned out. So I would say that would be that that week, the weekend with just doing stuff on the fly. Um, that was pretty cool. That's I love that.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

Just kind of be be in the moment. Yeah. Be present. I love that. Okay, question number two. Worst day. What was the worst day that you can remember?

SPEAKER_03 48:29

Well, I'm not going to talk about work-related worst days. How's that? That's right. I would say um because nobody cares. And um, I think my worst day in recent memory was probably the day my mom died. But it was also good.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 48:44

I was there with her and I got to spend because of COVID, I got to be in San Luis Obispo a lot more than I ever would have been. Wow. Life slowed down enough so I was and I could work from home. And I got to be with her and care for her and and laugh with her. And um, but that, you know, that's always a sad day when you lose a parent.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

It's hard, even if you see it coming.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

We and she took, she took herself out. She, I think she decided she sent it. Her last check she wrote was to the mortuary.

SPEAKER_02 49:12

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 49:13

And um, she even got so there wasn't money. I mean, there's just enough money in her checking account for us to do what we needed to do. I it's like it was uncanny. Um and uh so and you know, she always joked, you know, you should bounce your last check. She didn't, but you know, thank you, mom. Close. Um but she worked hard and she had uh savings and stuff, but in terms of the money available. Um yeah, it was a hard day, but she did it, she had a great life. She's a wonderful person, and so um it's sad, but also you know. What did your mom say? Eleanor.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

Hey Eleanor, hi Hi from here. Okay, number three. What's the most good thing that what's the where do you find fulfillment? What's most fulfilling?

SPEAKER_03 50:03

I think for me it's it's uh helping people. And I know it sounds but I will what I will say is, you know, the work I do at Aery Agency, we we are helping people in a like my staff are helping people on a daily basis. I'm a little removed from that. Um I'm trying to keep the wheels turning and keep the money coming in and so we can do what we do. But I also have this business that I do on the side, which is helping people transition, um, downsize, move, move into a new place, whatever. And that I get to see the results. Um I'm helping people with something that most people find very stressful, which is moving, especially if they've been in a house a long, long time and they don't know what to do with their stuff and their stuff they have memories and and and all the emotion tied to things.

SPEAKER_02 50:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

And then the physical challenges that some people have in being able to move and do the work. And so I come in and my team comes in and we just help them see that it's all going to happen, it's all gonna be okay. Yeah. And that is very rewarding for me.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

There's a roadmap for it. Yeah. That's pretty kind of a niche. I like that. That'd be really, really neat.

SPEAKER_03 51:18

Aaron Powell, yeah. There's there's it's uh not we have a national organization, but I'm probably the only m certified senior move manager in 150 miles. Wow. You know, there's some up in Oregon, down in the Bay Area, but I'm the one here.

SPEAKER_00 51:34

Aaron Powell I love it. That'd be really useful. So there's Life Plan Humboldt, too, which has changed its name, right? Humboldt Commons, yeah. Dr. Ann Lindsay. Yeah. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

Hi Ann. Not hi Ann like hi mom Ann, but hi Ann. I mean Hi Ann. We've been yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

Ann and Phil Brooker McKinley or wherever she lives.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're doing a fantastic work.

SPEAKER_00 51:56

Are they have they broken ground yet?

SPEAKER_03 51:59

Anne.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

I think they're getting there.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

They're getting close. I do know that they're starting to get people to seriously sign up and pick the apartments they want and things like that. But uh such a great idea. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

I love that. Yeah. All right, question number whatever this is.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

47. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

So who are you and what do you want?

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Who am I?

SPEAKER_01 52:32

I don't know how do people answer that question.

SPEAKER_03 52:34

I am I am who I am.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

That's a Popeye. I know. I am what I am.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Or or there's what, was it Steve Martin? I was born a poor black child. That's not it either. That's not it.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

Um well let's start with what do you want? What would you like to see happen? What do I want?

SPEAKER_03 52:54

I would just like to see people get along. Um wouldn't that be a thing? That, you know, that would solve like probably most problems if people would just and I think part of being able to get along is us not making so many assumptions about the thoughts that are going on in other people's heads.

SPEAKER_00 53:18

Or intentions. Yeah. Motivations. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:20

We don't know. You don't know me. You don't know. I mean, you don't know me, man. I mean, people don't know what we're going people none of us know what someone else is going through unless they tell us. And even then we don't know the half of it.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

Don't know their pain.

SPEAKER_03 53:33

We don't. And um I've always f felt very fortunate. Whenever bad things might happen to me, I would I would, you know, how a lot of people are like, why me? I go, well, why not me? I mean, theoretically, why somebody else? When you say why me, you're kind of implying that it should be someone else. I like that. It's like, no, why not me? Um, you know, that's who I am.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

It's my turn.

SPEAKER_03 53:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:59

My turn for something tragic.

SPEAKER_03 54:00

Yeah. I mean, it's going to happen, but saying why me, you know.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

Yeah, I like that. That's a that you flip the script on that one. Well, it turns out that you've done wait. Bonus question. Okay. Because this plays to your earlier question. Uh you have your whole day off to do whatever you want to do. And I'm writing your check. What are you going to do? 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. and you got to stay there and humble count. Okay. Oh, and humble. Okay. Whatever you want to do. Frankie could come too.

SPEAKER_03 54:31

Oh, Frankie. Well, then, you know, it's the plan's going to go oh, like this. But um we could start on one thing. What would I do? Um I'd sleep in late.

SPEAKER_00 54:41

Oh, good one.

SPEAKER_03 54:42

I mean, so I mean What's late for you? Well, late

A Perfect Humboldt Day Off

SPEAKER_03 54:46

for me could be really late, but what I tried not to get late for me is maybe 10 o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

That's so late. It is so late. I would love to sleep at so late.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

Nine would be like But you have to stay up late to make it work. So this is a thing. Ah. I mean, it it I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:04

So it presupposes some late night something.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Yeah, just just I don't yeah. Um I would what would I do? I'd like to go to have breakfast with somewhere nice. There's lots of nice places, but um Brio's right up the street. I like when I I live in Arcata and I like I kind of have this rule that if I'm doing anything in Arcata, I walk unless, you know, it's raining or I'm carrying a bunch of stuff. But so I'd like to go places in where I can walk. Um That's good.

SPEAKER_00 55:35

I like and Brio's delicious.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Yeah, I'd I'd go to Brio.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Is their coffee good?

SPEAKER_03 55:40

I believe so, yes.

SPEAKER_00 55:41

Yeah, they have some Blue Mountain, something.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

I don't know. I just love it. They're they're there. I like going there and uh, you know, they're great. People are great, they're friendly, nice. Um so yeah, breakfast. I like reading. I wouldn't want to spend my whole day reading, but I don't get to read as much, you know, fun stuff. Um so I I would want to have some time reading.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

What do you like to read?

SPEAKER_03 56:05

Oh well, you know, I I read mostly fiction, but I just read a book about uh the tallest redwood trees. Oh and I and I'm really bad at remembering authors and names, so don't ask. Sure. But it was about it, it's the the guy that wrote it, it's not from here. He's a journalist, but it's about a lot of people who are from here and teach at the university now. And and this quest that they had over, you know, since the 70s, 80s to find the tallest trees. Uh, and and how they found them and climb climbed them and measured them and studied what's up there that none of us even have any idea. Uh there are the the life forms, the the flora, yeah, the flora. I don't think fauna, but yeah, I mean salamanders that are some fauna too. Yeah, that'd be some fauna. They're a salam salamanders of fauna. Um but they don't normally live in the very tops of trees because they need water, but there's water in these redwoods. I mean, it's you can live up there. Yeah. I mean, it's like I would never have thought this would be something that I would want to read a book about, but it was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Um they found the one tree down in Mendocino, right? They really there's a big one down.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 57:18

And then I wonder if Jim Campbell Spickler is part of that that team, because he he's the director of the zoo. So he's the guy, the major climbing guru.

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Yeah, and it's um, you know, some professors uh uh I think his name's Steve Sillet up at at Humboldt Cal Poly. Um and this guy that would never climb the trees, but uh just was convinced that and he would like he would call them up and say, let's go, I think, let's go here and look for some trees. And they would just literally go through brush and dig. I mean, it would take them all day to even get close to the where they thought trees might be. And then he would always want to climb them. But it was like, I'm like, you guys, you're I mean, and they're in the middle of nowhere. There's no roads, yeah. And they keep, you know, the thing is these trees, they don't want anyone to know where they are because they're scientific, they're studying them. And if everyone gets wild about climbing these trees, they're just gonna ruin them. So yeah, I mean, I'm so excited about this. It's crazy. I'm excited. But that's a cool book. It's it surprised me, and I very much enjoyed it. Who's the author again? Yeah. I am not gonna go climb any of these trees, but it made me really admire that and understand it better. And yeah, I I might climb a like a short tree.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:35

Like a harnessed end. Like a stump. Like a really big redwood stump.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

I would go upstairs to do a zip line through trees.

SPEAKER_03 58:44

Yeah, they did that too. That was cool. So anyway, that was a pretty cool book.

SPEAKER_00 58:47

Good one. So you've went to Brio, you know, you slept in Brio. Um read a book.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

I read a whole book. Um I used to always go up to Patrick's Point when it was Patrick's Point. Um I always enjoy going to there. So I might go up to Sumeg um and hike around a little bit. Sumag's cool. Yeah. Um it's accessible and you know, no big trees to climb.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

Or it's pretty flat. It's fun. A lot of flot of changes to biome.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Cool.

SPEAKER_03 59:20

I'd um, you know, there's lots of things that I'd like to do. I I mean, and some of these things are inside things. I like to go to movies. I hardly ever go. So like if I had a random day off, it could go see a matinee. That would be kind of fun, because I don't get to do that anymore.

SPEAKER_00 59:33

Aaron Powell A big screen movie.

SPEAKER_03 59:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Yeah, super loud, like Dolby Stereo.

SPEAKER_03 59:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

I'd do that. I'd have find some place to have dinner, you know, with some friends, go out and have dinner. I'd probably go to Plaza Grill or the basement and and have Shane um at the basement you know, pick uh uh the my whiskey or bourbon. I always let him pick what he's gonna serve me. Shane is good.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Hi, Shane. Is he a good server? Yeah, he's great. And then is that Bill Chino? Does he still part of all that? Hi, Bill.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

Hi, Bill. I'm gonna see Bill tonight, probably at the party I'm going to.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

So Tell Bill I said hi.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:11

I will.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

So Shane's a pretty good bartender.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:13

Yeah, he's pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

What kind of whiskey do you like?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:17

Um, I like I I seem to like all of it. I have no preference. So this is how this is how my whiskey drinking story starts. Okay, my dad. No, no, wait, this goes way back. My dad, that was his whiskey, was his thing. And back then, you know, we didn't have all the different kinds. But he would I think he'd pour himself a what was that? One of those, either uh Manhattan.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

Or an old fashioned.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:42

An old-fashioned. And you know, and I so it it looked, it looked yummy. And I would sneak sips and it was all as awful, right? Right. And um but at some point I oh, I have a friend. She drinks Jack and um Coke. And we were at a conference and she introduced me. I go, okay, I'll I can do this here. And then I started thinking about I go, you know, coke has a lot of sugar in it. I'm gonna just just gonna drink it straight because I'm already getting enough poison with the alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:13

Why add that extra sugar poison?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:15

Why kill yourself, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:16

Why kill yourself twice as fast? I'm gonna I'm gonna do the slow one. And the other thing is you drink it slower when it's when it's whiskey. If it tastes like coke, I'm gonna drink it like it's a coke. So and then once I start doing that, I'm like, okay, Jack, I need to find something else. That's not what I want to drink straight.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

So Scotch?

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

So yeah, uh Scotch. You know, I'm not uh uh so much a Pete. I I don't think I like Pete as much as Paul. Um sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

Um Good one.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:47

Good one, huh? Hey, Paul.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:49

Not all Scotch is Pete, either.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:51

No, but that's but it's more likely. Um I so I then I went to Jameson's, which is Irish. I was doing that for a while. And then I thought I I joined the Rotary, um, they have a whiskey uh fellowship or something. And all over the world, they get on a Zoom meeting, everyone's sitting there drinking something. How about that? And they go around the room and introduce themselves and what they're drinking.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

How about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:13

And with 40 people in the room, by the time you get around, if you start again, everyone's going to be pretty I mean, people are pretty, you know, they've been drinking.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:21

So I thought this is amusing. And and so I took some suggestions from them and I went back and bought three little bottles, the smaller ones, the taste. So I bought these and I tasted them. I tried to figure out which ones I liked. And and then when it came time to put the bottles in recycling, I realized the flaw with this is they all got empty at the same time. So I was putting three bottles, three empty bottles of whiskey bottles in the recycling at the same time. I'm like, that's not a good look.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

No one will no one would ever know.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

Aaron Ross Powell No one will now they know. Um I told you. But so anyway, so I've just tried different things.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:54

And uh So what what what's your jam of those three or of those nine or whatever you what I'm doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:01

Yeah. Um I had some. What did I have the other day? It was called Redemption.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:08

Redemption. Huh.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:10

I remembered that. I like that. It was a I think that was a bourbon.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

My son-in-law is a scotch guy. The the green dot, yellow dot, red dot. Yellow dot. Yellow dot's delicious. He served us yellow dot one night. Blue dot is is extremely amazing. Yeah. It has notes of uh guava and papaya, which is and a whiskey. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway. Hi, Matt Mulaney. What's up? He's in Medford. You can't see him right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:35

Oh, okay. I was gone.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:36

He's how did he get here?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:37

The way you said that, I thought he was behind me. It's like, oh. Um so so I would, you know, I would I would go and have maybe that before dinner and and have dinner. I don't know where I'd have dinner. I'd have to see what I was in the mood for.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:50

All right. Get a snack at Plaza Grill and wind up wherever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:54

That's a really colorful day. I like your day.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:55

That's I mean, just chill, nothing crazy, but just kind of spending more time doing things that I don't have time to do normally.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:02

Aaron Powell Yeah, I like it. I like it a lot. Uh I like you a lot. You're fun. Thank you very much. Aaron Ross Powell, you're welcome very much. Thanks for being here. Uh tell us about your legacy. What are we going to say at your funeral and um your um celebration of life? Or just gravestone or all of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:18

Well, I I'm looking forward to uh doing a green burial so there will be no gravestone. You'll just be out there going, I think Maggie's around here.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

She's around here somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

I have a sense on her.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

Like in your in someone's backyard type of thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:34

No, no, no, no. Or just out in the I'm not a cat.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:36

In the woods.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:38

No, there's a group here locally, Rebecca

Legacy Green Burial And Goodbyes

SPEAKER_03 1:04:40

Staffer is working. I know her name. It came up recently. I mean, I know her.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:45

Is it the Neptune Society or No, it's a different thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:48

But but they've got some land up Nealand and they're starting to work on that locally.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

So Spread the Ashes type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

Um no, it's a green burial. Well, they might do that, but what they do is they actually wrap the body untreated in something and it just becomes part of the earth again.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:08

Aaron Ross Powell They've done it for eons, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:11

Yeah, before we could well, yeah. Except for when those embalmers I think the Egyptians, did they do the who who made it so we can find bodies?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

Probably Probably the Chinese, but yeah, probably Egyptian. They made it famous. Who made it so we could find bodies? Those bodies.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:27

Although you think about it, I mean they're finding bodies all the time and they're not. I mean, it's random.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

My best joke ever is do you know where they hide the dead bodies?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:34

Where?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

Page two of Google. You want to know why? Why? No one ever goes there. Page two of Google. Somebody asked, somebody said the other day, is there a page two of Google? I go, my point. You just made my point.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:48

I think there is, but those if you search that far down, you're you're not getting as credible stuff as at the end of the year. Well, and who knows anyway what's credible. But um anymore. So uh So I don't know what they'd say. And I don't know what people would say at my I was going to say at my wedding. Wedding, funeral. Four weddings and a funeral. Uh-huh. I don't know what they'd say.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

But I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:16

They'd say something.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:17

They'd say something.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

They said, gosh, you did a great podcast for that Scotty.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:21

They'd say something. Something would be said.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:26

They would say something.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:27

Do you ever want I mean, I go to different things like that. And sometimes, you know, they plan it out very formally because they don't want a lot of people getting up and riffing, which is often a good plan. But sometimes they need a little riffin.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:44

Little riffin's fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:45

And so I had a good friend of mine pass away and they ended up doing the thing at the elk's lodge. And so he was an elk, so they did the formal elk. I don't know if you've ever been to one of those, so did the formal elk remembrance in the special room.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:02

Been to the special room.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

And the special room became an elk.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:05

If we told you what happened, we'd have to kill you.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

That's right. I became an elk. Whoops.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:09

You did it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

I didn't see it. Okay. I touched the microphone. Oh no. Um accidentally.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:14

He didn't see it.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:15

He didn't see it, but he might have heard it. I don't know. He's like over the room.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:18

So you became an elk and they did a So no.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

He was an elk. He died. They did that there. Then he was a veteran, so they did a veteran thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:26

And then we all went out into the bar area. And then there was food. And there was nothing planned for him for the rest of us to say anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:36

Aaron Ross Powell So the riffing happened?

SPEAKER_03 1:07:37

No riffing happened. Oh, it was it was one of the nobody was in charge. The family and I kept saying, Oh, let let us help you ch plan something. People are going to want to talk. And that it didn't happen. And I it just felt like it just it felt awful.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:54

That so I still talk I I I riff about them all the time. Good. But um but no. So that shouldn't happen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:01

An after riffing.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:02

Yeah. There needs to be a riffing.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

I like it. That's fair. Yeah. Let's let's say stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:06

Yeah, say stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:07

Well, cool. I think we said a lot of stuff today.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

I hope so. Oh, do you want to hear about this real quick? Yeah, real quick.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:12

And then the shout-out to your website.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:13

Okay. So what this is, I don't have to I can just show it to you. Sure, I don't care. Oh look. This is another project we're deeply involved with, which is the Aging and Disability Resource Connection. It's our organization, along with Tri-County Independent Living, along with the IPA, which is Independent Practitioners Association, and an NCIN, all these acronyms. But it's about trying to help people find resources with better coordination and referrals. So we're not just saying, here's a

Resource Guide And Warm Handoffs

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

phone number, have a good time with that. Here's the book. Here's a book, but also let's hand you off. Let's do a warm handoff. Like you need a resource and you don't know, you want us to help connect you, let us help you connect you. So we put this resource a bunch of different and this is like big print.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:07

Big print. What we did is we took the best elements of what Tri-County used to do in their resource guide and the best elements of what we had been doing forever in our senior information guide and put them together. Love it. Big print, because nobody should have to strain to read things. And because we couldn't make as many of these as we would have if they'd been out of paper, or you know, the the little newspaper, it's also online. So we have these cards where you can scan the QR code. So people who want something in hand don't have internet. We got this. If you've got internet, you can go to the website for that. Oh, brilliant. So we have a different website for that, which is called it's NorthCostadrc.org. And it's it's not a new agency, it's more about coordinating the services of agencies that already exist.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

I love that guy to have a copy. Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. So we could reach you at uh 707-442-3763.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:00

And your website is a1A.org.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:04

And if we wanted to give things, we could give time, treasure, or talent. Or talent. Love it. Thanks for being here, Meggie. Thank you. And thanks for joining us. Scott Hammond, 100% Humboldt Podcast. Uh like us, love us, send us uh gifts. And uh we're on all the all the podcast platforms, and we're on uh uh Humboldt Access TV and we're on uh YouTube. And thanks to our producer, my main man Nick Flores, thanks to Advanced Security, thanks to Dick Taylor Chocolate, thanks to Quality Body, thanks to Joni Hammond. I'd like to take a minute and just thank many people in my life, but I won't. Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:43

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:43

All right, see you again.