Accountability Corner
Embark on an adventure with Darren, Morgan, and Chris, the dynamic trio steering the ship at "Accountability Corner." As passionate OCR enthusiasts, they're on a mission to share their expertise and enthusiasm for obstacle course racing with the world. From sharing insider tips on overcoming training plateaus to demystifying the complexities of race registration and gear selection, no stone is left unturned. Whether you're a seasoned competitor hungry for fresh perspectives or a newcomer eager to dip your toes into the muddy waters of OCR, these hosts are here to guide you every step of the way. Join them as they peel back the curtain on the electrifying world of OCR, revealing stories of triumph, camaraderie, and boundless adventure.
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Accountability Corner
#39: Our Christmas Shopping List: From Vanishing Socks to Perfect Gifts for Runners
Ever found yourself wondering why your socks keep disappearing or what the perfect shoe is for those muddy trails? Pull up a chair and grab a cocoa, as we unravel festive season training challenges with a sprinkle of humor. We promise you'll learn how Morgan's first cross-country race in Sheffield turned into a humbling realization, bridging the gap between obstacle course racers and traditional runners. Let's not forget Ships, who hilariously confuses training chats with Christmas shopping lists, turning our convo into a merry chaos of accountability and holiday spirit.
Next up, we lace into the whimsical world of socks, shoes, and the mystical art of giving the perfect gift to your running buddy or yourself. Ever heard about the Hoka Speedgoat's versatility or the Brooks Catamount 3's top spot on the 2023 footwear podium? You'll definitely want to stick around for our lighthearted debate over these trail champions. Whether you're facing the enigma of vanishing socks or hunting down the ideal subscription service to prevent it, we've got you covered with insights and laughs that are a foot above the rest.
As we wrap up this festive episode, gear up for a deep dive into the essentials of running apparel, from windproof jackets to the magic of merino wool base layers. Discover why Decathlon might just be your new best friend for cost-effective running jackets, or why a dry robe might be the holiday gift every runner secretly wants. We also sprinkle in some personal favorites, perfect for long, chilly runs, and practical gift recommendations that'll leave every runner warm and happy this holiday season.
Welcome to the Accountability Corner, where we talk about everything obstacle course racing, from staying disciplined in training, affording the sport, signing up for your first race and, more importantly, how the sport is growing around the world, with your hosts Morgan Maxwell, chris Shipley and Darren Martin.
Speaker 2:Right. Welcome to episode 39 of Accountability Corner. Today we're building up towards Christmas and Ships. What did we want to talk about today?
Speaker 1:We wanted to talk about how we stay accountable, because we are accountabilitycornercom how we stay accountable over the christmas period.
Speaker 2:I've totally missed. Missed the topic. I thought we were talking about, uh, uh, this christmas shopping list, but it's okay, yeah I'm not a lot, I'm excited for christmas shopping list is it is.
Speaker 1:It is that what this is written on the computer?
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is a shopping list. It's quite long.
Speaker 2:Do you want to talk about how to stay accountable? Are we talking about how to stay accountable towards your shopping list?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only reason I do want to do the shopping list is because I'm skint over Christmas. Yeah, and I know that you guys just want me to buy you lots of presents.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, you're getting out of this list.
Speaker 3:You want me to buy you lots of presents exactly.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, you're getting out of this list. You're getting electrolyte powder. Perfect, I'll take it. Yeah, that's a stocking filler. That's a good gift. Yeah, yeah, you know, when it's on the list, it's nice and easy. Yeah, you just cross off all the expensive ones but how are you both?
Speaker 2:anyway, you all right yeah, not bad yeah, before we get into the shopping list mo, have you got anything more exciting to tell us about sheffield? How's life?
Speaker 3:uh, I did my first cross-country race with my new running club club today. How was?
Speaker 2:that horrible.
Speaker 3:It like really humbled me, showed me that you take some weeks off and your fitness well, feels like it goes down dramatically. But yeah, it was. It was all right, though it wasn't too. It was quite a flat cross country and it wasn't too muddy, so, like that, I think that made it harder because it was flat and less muddy, so I had no excuse to slow down. But it also probably made it easier because I didn't have to think about trying to not fall over what place did you come? I don't know.
Speaker 1:The results aren't out yet that's one of them, cross-country ones, where they they do it all with the teeth like the um. The people from the club Take the numbers and then it comes out later on.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, it's our local South Yorkshire league. I think my team as a whole, the club's doing quite well at the minute.
Speaker 1:Are they happy to have you there, I think.
Speaker 3:so I think they're a bit surprised because I'm a lot bigger than everyone and they're like how does this? Guy run, but that's ocr baby yeah, make it work, yeah I love that surprise.
Speaker 2:That's always a good surprise. You always get them looks at races, especially doing OCR, that you're a bit bigger than most people. You always get a look of like hmm, why are they at the front?
Speaker 3:Why are they ripped? I even feel like in OCR. Sometimes I look a bit big, so like these guys, I look like a giant, because they're all like really small in height as well.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it's uh yeah, cool, but that that was a bit more passionate. I'm. I'm really really happy for you. You and you sorted your internet out a little bit, do you know what I think?
Speaker 3:that's why I'm happier, because there's no delay. I can actually hear what you guys are saying now we'll be up there soon.
Speaker 2:We need to come visit you, but every time I put a date in, you either don't reply to me or you're not available just don't want you exactly I'm scared you don't want you.
Speaker 2:You don't. You're moving in hamper. That's what you don't want. No, I just don't have to do housework when you come just to clean up. They're the only times that we do. You actually do a proper clean when you invite people over people to stay. Yeah, yeah, it's the way. It's the only way that you can do a proper clean of the house is invite someone over that is true, yeah, a house.
Speaker 1:I I honestly believe everyone has a messy house, but the only reason you think that you are inadequate when you go around people's houses is because they obviously clean up just before you come around. You think our house doesn't look like this.
Speaker 3:Maybe it's just me, no that's true.
Speaker 2:That is true. How's training over you Ships? Yeah, it's going all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going all right. By the time this comes out, I should be over at Hang On, so this should be coming out at Hang On. So, hello, hang On, and people with me at Hang On. Hello.
Speaker 2:We want loads of updates on our Instagram. Hang On, please. Well, good job on bringing Rafi. Then yeah, good. Hang on, please. Well, good job, I'm bringing Rafi. Then yeah, good.
Speaker 1:Even if it's like I'm here, I'm registering a bit of a live on our stories, give us all the deets. Well, when people listen to this. Just keep an eye out on Instagram and you will see me being Instagramable.
Speaker 3:Yeah, are you going to be Michael?
Speaker 1:I don't know if it says last name, is it scott or however the danes say it I don't know, to be fair, um, I'm going into the because obviously I think hang on you've done hang on before anyway, mo, so I believe that hang on is probably a better race to race the second time around than it is the first time around. 100%, yeah, because obviously you need to know this is an obstacle heavy race, so knowing the obstacles, even if you've just done them once, will play a massive part. So I've definitely got the. What's the word? I'm not a favourite. For this one, I would say You're at a disadvantage. Yeah, that's it. I'm at a favourite. For this one, I would say You're at a disadvantage. Yeah, that's it. I'm at a very high disadvantage, but it's going to be really fun. I'm really looking forward to it, really looking forward to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, put on such a good race, don't they? Yeah, yeah, cool. So you've got Hang On Mo's in his cross-country era before Christmas. Well, that continues probably until February, doesn't it?
Speaker 3:Cross-country. Yeah, I think we've got there's two races left in this series and one is next month and I don't know when the other one is, so probably about January time, Jan Feb time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nice, keeping that spice over winter.
Speaker 2:Exactly. That'd be good for you.
Speaker 3:Well, I'd just constantly be getting my ass kicked, even in training, so it's been a. I feel like just a wounded dog right now. I thought.
Speaker 2:I was a good runner and then now I'm just like training at the back, like wait for me nah, that should be good nah, that'd be really, that'd be really good for you for next season oh yeah, everyone's going to feel slow. Compared to them, it's going to be great you look more ginger now you've been in shape. I thought that I don't know why.
Speaker 1:I didn't want to bring it up. I thought I'm not bringing it up, no, no, but I'm allowed.
Speaker 2:I'm allowed to bring it up. Yeah, yeah, us ginger people are allowed to talk about ginger people. It's so orange.
Speaker 3:Why have you got more orange? I think it's a mixture of the lighting in this room and also the fact that it's longer.
Speaker 1:I want a filter.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if I do that, you can see there's a big spotlight above me.
Speaker 1:So it's just like getting the glow out In the other room too.
Speaker 2:We're recording this one and we're going to put this up on videos, just so you both know. I don't know if you, if I told you that before, so that people can see the orange lighting, the ginger, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh God, I would have looked nicer if I knew that was happening. No, you wouldn't have.
Speaker 2:No, I wouldn it's the same with ships if I told him we're a video and he would have wore the same thing he's wearing now.
Speaker 1:Now I'll warn the backwards cat.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, backwards hat, sorry. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the beanie for the men, the backwards hat for the women, hey I did think, actually you've looked like you've like gelled your hair and put some nice clothes and I thought this is a weird look joe, I don't gel my hair.
Speaker 2:I've just got hair these days. It styles as it wants, shouldn't do that much money. It wasn't, it was only £2,000. It wasn't crazy money, yeah, and I put a post up the other day. Well, we did, we'd see. That was the progress pics. To be fair, decent, yeah, decent. Everyone's got to know about it. I was actually thinking we should do an episode talking about it, because people probably didn't want to know more information because of the amount of messages that I actually answered. I mean, I was here for it, but loads of questions.
Speaker 3:It's a very important subject you should add that to your shopping list. What's that? More hair.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hair, I've had that that no, but for other people's shopping lists yeah, well, I, I did a um, I did a half marathon yesterday and I was saying to ships uh, before, this is that you just can't take for granted of how fit we are and how much training we do, thinking that we can turn up to things and rip like we still need to be specific in our training to to make, to make sure that we give, we can give our best in those sort of events. Because yesterday killed me. I tried to tempo it, but even the tempo at the end was, was, was tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm feeling it today but we were saying, weren't you, that ocr fitness gets you a long way?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah it does. Yeah, you can turn up to like a local half marathon and what I tempoed it and this isn't. This isn't blowing my own horn, this is just showing how good OCR athletes are. I came 16th so and I'm not even nowhere near the best at OCR. So me and Shipsmo were saying that can you imagine in that race if all of like the pro, pro athletes in the uk turn up, it would be a good showing for ocr. It all be in the top 10 of like a local trail race.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like even like that local 10k we did. Yeah, imagine the same thing if you put, like, some of the other athletes in there yeah how it would just change everything.
Speaker 2:I'd actually feel like we'd perform better as well, because you'd know your competition yeah, you don't compare ourselves to these people that we're next to in these trail races, but say, if, like, ferg was next to me in this race, yeah, I'd be like oh, hang on, I thought we were talking about a shopping list, but we don't have to do that. Oh, and it was added in, or? Huh, it's added in. Oh, is it added in?
Speaker 1:to staying accountable accountable over christmas yeah, because you've got to have you've got to have accountability over your shopping list of what to buy people and what not to buy people. It's part of the process. Christmas is a long process of what do you call them where people are peer-pressuring you into do stuff.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:You said it.
Speaker 2:That's what it is.
Speaker 1:Christmas is a long period. It's very hard to stay on track, very easy to easy to be led astray. It's difficult to do stuff. It's a lot of money, it's dark, it's wet, it's hard. But it's also the most important time for training ish, almost no, no, I would.
Speaker 2:I'd say it's an important part of training we get. We get inter, non-interrupted training blocks over winter, but it's very interrupted over christmas. It can be. If you're not accountable, that's it. There. We go, all right, but this is, this is going to be a spiral. Spiral of an episode then, because this is going to take us to loads of places. You're really testing my organisation skills of topics on this one. Where do you want to start?
Speaker 3:I was really excited to speak about socks.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I've pulled up socks and I've been no, we can talk about your socks Right, let's talk about Right, and I've been. No, we can talk about your socks right, let's, let's talk about right. The main thing, just I'm gonna I'm gonna change uh shipley's topic round to fit us mo. So the main thing about staying accountable over christmas is staying accountable to your gifting and your budget and what your your expectations, because, let's be fair, not everyone has the ability to buy everyone a present or has the money to do it, so you need to make sure that you stay accountable to what you actually say you can do and set an expectational limit.
Speaker 1:so or send them a list or send them a list.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a shopping list, um, because I I need to start actually thinking about what things maybe I would like to buy myself or buy others over christmas and maybe we don't know how to what to buy the ocr person in our life as a present. Maybe that could be it, because there's lots of um, lots of youtube videos out there, like the gifting guide for runners, gifting guide for for weightlifters or anyone. There's no gifting guide for obstacle course races. We have we have a niche. We've got different needs okay well what.
Speaker 2:Tell me what you guys want, then come on no, no, no, okay, go on, let's start from socks. Go mate, go, go, go go right.
Speaker 3:So socks now. I don't know if you listened to our last episode, but we kind of touched on socks there and I said how socks are expensive, and now I'm going to tell you why. There is a sale on, by the looks of it. I've just gone onto their website. So the socks I use and are the best running socks I've ever used are the Brave Socks, b-r-a-v Socks, b-r-a-v. Okay and honestly, every time I don't wear these now I get a blister. Any time I'm wearing these socks they are incredible. They're not too thick as well. So if you don't like really thick socks because you get sweaty feet, like me, they're perfect for that. I have no affiliation with these socks as well. I know it sounds like I'm going to try and sell them to you, but I'm just telling you they're the best socks and the best thing about them they do jumbo packs. So as a gift for Christmas, you could buy buy actual boxes, and then you can wrap the box up and they're all different colours. They're just good socks.
Speaker 2:How much is a box set I can find out for?
Speaker 3:you? Oh right, terrible. I always get them pretty much as a gift. Now, because everyone knows I like these socks, so I've never actually bought them. I don't think. Alright, multipacks and bundles let's have a look at this, so you can get packs of free for 30 pounds.
Speaker 1:That looks that's a lot of money for socks.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, yeah, but they're, they're worth it they even do a subscription service, if you really like socks yeah, they really know how to uh yeah keep you behind socks.
Speaker 1:They've got you hook, line and sinker on them ones. They've probably got some special thing in them that makes you get a blister whenever you put another sock on just you just always go back to them.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, I'm pretty sure they used to do mystery bundles that were cheaper, but I can't actually find that on their website, right?
Speaker 1:now they're socks that have been worn already.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:My socks do this funny thing of they lose each other. That's what my socks do.
Speaker 1:You know, they've just gone into a vortex in the tumble, exactly.
Speaker 2:Never seen again. When I empty that filler I'm going to get so many decathlon socks out the back of the washing machine.
Speaker 1:Two go in, but one come out. You're a washing fairy.
Speaker 3:I am the fairy. You're hiding your own socks then? Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:What socks did you say? Ships, ships, you get the ones on Amazon. That's it. Yeah, amazon socks I'm wearing them now Cotton black socks. Cotton black socks. I was thinking about this the other day, you know, I was thinking about all the shopping list stuff we do and everyone on YouTube goes really fancy, like Mo's actually gone quite fancy there, but me and Ships, I feel like we're just being decathlon, decathlon, decathlon.
Speaker 3:But that's why we've got you.
Speaker 2:Mo. That's why we've got you.
Speaker 3:I'm the upper end of the scale. You can go fancy for us?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because like Ron Hill, like shorts. I would never buy Ron Hill shorts. They look fancy and look amazing, but I'm not paying £65, £70 for shorts. Oh, I buy the odd shorts and things when I work up the leg and you get to shorts you.
Speaker 1:Let us know what you want. Tell me when you're working up the leg.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you wait for it. I'm not even past the knee yet. I would just say Decathlon that always nice socks they I you wear. I wear the ones that have got two layers. So there's they. It's prevents blisters. They're quite thick, but I like thick socks.
Speaker 3:Moving on, no impressions there, right we're going on to what we put on our socks yeah, well, I was going to that.
Speaker 2:We have got shoes, but should we go through shoes? There's a lot to go through.
Speaker 3:I think we just pick one shoe. We will take a different shoe, but one shoe that we want in our next shoe, like the one you've got lined up next.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've got two lined up, but you go first. What shoe is lined up for you for go? And you go first, what shoes lined up for you for next, what? Your eye on what's turned your head right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my speed goats, uh, going a bit old they're. They're kind of cracking and breaking okay, so I'm gonna get myself some speed goat sixes, because I don't have any 6s, you're in for a treat.
Speaker 2:You're in for a right treat.
Speaker 3:Have you bought some 6s?
Speaker 2:We've had 6s ages.
Speaker 1:No, we've had the 5s.
Speaker 2:Oh, there's a new one. Now we're going up. Do you realise that?
Speaker 3:I've heard worse reviews about the 6s than the 5s, so have I, so I'm a bit nervous, but you know what. You've got to try these things yourself, and speed goat is a line of shoe that I've just always loved.
Speaker 2:So I thought you was going to say to us, pick a shoe that everyone should just have, or just what would you wear all the time? Just one shoe to be fair, he has really.
Speaker 3:That would be. If you ask me that question, I would also say speed goat?
Speaker 2:yeah, I would if there's a lot of people who ask me questions like I'm just getting into trail running. But I do a bit of path and I do a bit of trail and you need something a bit comfier. That's going to be good for the legs. Speedgoat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I must admit it's a really good shoe. I've got two shoes that I use mostly for my all-round training, that I swap between the most and the Speedgoat Fives might I say, but in general are the ones. But yeah, on the road they're decent, on the trails they're decent. I wouldn't wear them technically on a race because I don't think they've got that, but yeah, they're a decent shoe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, chips. What have you got your eye on?
Speaker 1:I would probably buy another pair of Catamount 3s. They were the best shoe of 2000. What year are we in now? 24. They were the best shoe of 2023. The 2024 was pretty much the same and it was just a really good shoe For OCR. Couldn't use it all the time. Versatile shoe use it on the roads. So yeah, I'll just replace that because shoes wear out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's another shoe actually that I'm willing to try, I think, but yeah, I'm not sure yet I don't know what's it like on shorter, faster stuff.
Speaker 1:Decent. Yeah, I would say it's more of a a training shoe, but it has decent enough for racing. It's light enough for a race and strong enough. Well, I used it. Euros, how'd that get on before? Yeah, yeah, really well, it's perfect shoe for euros sorry no, not that euros all right, yeah before the one that I did well at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, good controversially did well actually yeah, controversially do well so we've got speed go and the brooks, what they call cat cat I'm out cat I'm out. Okay, I'm gonna, because not because not everyone knows this, because I know they don't know this, because I look at people, how many people actually view it. But we do actually have a blog, so I'll put all this in our blog with links to everything we're talking about.
Speaker 1:What would you use then? Come on, chop, chops.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry, I wasn't actually looking at anything trail at the minute until we spoke today. I might try the Brooks, but I would actually what I want to try. I really want to try out Super Shoe, road to Super Shoe, and I was looking at the Hoka Cielo 1 or something it's called.
Speaker 1:Is it the Tecton? No, not the Tecton, no, no, it's the road one. It's the road one, isn't it Sorry?
Speaker 2:They've got a new one, not the Hoka Cielo, I think it's called.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is a crazy looking shoe, if anyone's seen it.
Speaker 2:I want that Rocket. Is it the Rocket? No, it's Cielo. I've said what it's called a zero. A zero, no, it's yellow. Oh, hang on.
Speaker 3:C-e-c-i-e-l-o yeah, I. Just the only thing with that sort of shoe is I'm not trying to put you off it's just like it's still in that sort of price range where getting kind of an alpha fly is around the same price you mean the rocket? No, are you sure you're thinking of one of their first carbon plated shoes yeah, this is the new one.
Speaker 1:No rocket x2.
Speaker 3:No but we're not, we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2:It's a different shoe stop talking about the rocket. You're gonna confuse people. I said the hoka cielo type x1 that's what I googled. You didn't. No, if you got the rocket, you didn't.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I didn't.
Speaker 3:I put rocket in the beginning of it so you googled the rocket and got the rocket that hang on Cielo.
Speaker 1:I got you yeah but for 250 quid.
Speaker 3:I just feel like you could just get an.
Speaker 2:Alphafly, let's not, let's not say the price Lorna's, lorna's in here sure yeah the thing is right now.
Speaker 1:I know you're you're about to do a half marathon, darren. Yeah, I too have also been looking at road super shoes for this half marathon yeah, that's the reason I've been looking at it. Yeah yeah, I know exactly why you're looking at it because I've also been looking at we'd wear them once.
Speaker 2:Yeah. No, that's why I'm gonna wear. I'm gonna stay wearing the one, the ones that I bought and never wore, which were the? They were the Hoka, first carbon-plated one. I think they're the. Uh, hoka. Um, I can't remember the called.
Speaker 3:I remember what I got rockets no I I personally think both of you. Yeah, if you're looking at to get a car, well it's not really a carbon but a plated shoe. You'd get more use out of something like a Sockany Endorphin Speed because you'd be able to wear that on your road runs as kind of just a normal road run trainer.
Speaker 1:I've got a pair of original Alpha Flies that I bought when John Albarn was talking about doing his recovery runs. Original Alpha Flies that I bought when John Albarn was talking about doing his recovery runs in Alpha Flies yeah they are what I'm going to be wearing, because I've never raced in them, okay that's a good shoe though apparently, so I'm sticking with that, let's see, that's what we're going with anything else for the feet plasters, because you're still wearing cotton socks.
Speaker 3:That's what we're going with Okay, anything else for the feet Plasters, because you used to wear non. We were wearing cotton socks.
Speaker 1:I never have blisters. I never have blisters.
Speaker 3:I don't believe you.
Speaker 2:It's because we don't wear these fancy colourful socks, we just wear boxed-out.
Speaker 1:Check out my OnlyFans page. Look at my feet. You won't see a single blister on there. The ship's tip that's what it's called tips for ships okay, I do.
Speaker 2:You know, I got a random one for, um, uh, just staying on the feet. I've got these dry shore things that go inside the shoe my shoes to dry them out. Okay, and they're quite. It's quite good. Especially after like a foggy race that you've been on, and especially when we have multiple day races, you want to dry your shoes out quite quickly so you don't put them in like a, um, a soggy shoe do you know what I think?
Speaker 2:that's a waste of money okay I knew because you just put what you just put newspaper in your shoe and put them on the radiator. No, I just put them on wet, all right. What about the smell?
Speaker 1:listen like you, like you're about. If you're a constant trail runner, yeah, you are going to be wearing them shoes again, and as soon as you wear them for about five seconds, they're going to be wet and muddy again. Just, I put all my shoes in a box outside, that's it. They stay there, they don't get washed, you actually do I do, they don't. You don't need, just put them on wet. Don't be a baby. Put on wet shoes. They're gonna get wet okay, this is.
Speaker 2:This is what see. You're going back to your topic now, which I like. You're keeping everyone accountable from the merch they're going to see at Black Friday sales, christmas sales. Just get some newspaper, put them in a box outside and just chuck them on.
Speaker 1:And people can steal them as well.
Speaker 3:Now I know you've got some Alphaflight in that box, I'm coming around yours.
Speaker 1:How expensive is that box? It's probably quite expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I live in a safe area.
Speaker 2:What size shoe are you? Again, just make sure.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why no one nicks them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, there's some giant walking around, we know they've stolen.
Speaker 1:A small family comes around and steals them so they can live in it.
Speaker 2:Right, we, we, should we go part. Anything on the knee, anything you got for the knee, no.
Speaker 3:Ankle braces.
Speaker 2:Didn't talk about ankle braces, but let's not, yeah, let's not go, that's a wormhole yeah. Are we talking shorts when we're talking knee, or is that like?
Speaker 3:next on the list, there's nothing for knee Shorts. Let's go shorts, shorts. I like I don't really run in shorts, I run in like half tights because I get really bad chafing. So, adidas, do my favourite half tights. I like all of their half tights. Okay, adidas half tights.
Speaker 2:I like all of their half tights, half tights. Okay, adidas, half tights. That's on Mo's shopping list.
Speaker 1:You know what right? I love two pairs of shorts. Yeah, I love the New Balance five-inch run short, the basic one with the inbuilt pants. Love them. Shorts and I also really, really love but they're the more expensive ones the solomon xo twin skin shorts. I think they're the slab ones, but they're super expensive and I only ever buy them when they're mega on sale, unless on christmas someone wants to buy me a pair why do I love them?
Speaker 2:why they said good the solomon the exo?
Speaker 1:I don't know that. Do you know what? They're just really. They're really nice for obstacle course racing, as long as there isn't any barbed wire. They're. They're really comfortable. They've got a little rubber bit around the leg, around the, the thigh, that stops it riding up. It's got a nice little belt so you can put some gels in it and stuff. You don't have to wear pants with them. They're just nice. They dry quickly, they're light. They're mobile. Yeah, they are actually a decent short, except they're expensive. That's the only trouble. How much do they set you back? Depends on what sale you get, but they can be from like 80 to like 100 quid.
Speaker 2:But I've never paid 100 quid for them, but they're always retail some somewhere along that line wow yeah they're the ones that are saying like that, they're kind of like in the same, like ron hill sort of, but solomon, do so. They come with a belt, that's yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not a brilliant belt, though, oh.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm going to say.
Speaker 1:You're going to say a pair of decathlon.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The trail shorts with the built-in belt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, with the bit you can put your water in.
Speaker 2:Done. That's it. That's me, simple guy. 25 to 30 pounds that's me, simple guy. £25 to £30, bargain Can't beat him.
Speaker 1:No, you can't, you really can't. I mean I've just bought the same version of the tights the winter tights, the trail tights. They're really good. I took them out for a spin the other day. It's definitely not cold enough for them. Brilliant pair of tights £30, £35. High quality day. It's definitely not cold enough for them. Brilliant, brilliant pair of tights. 30 35 quid.
Speaker 2:High quality standard shorts tights and did they have a pocket in with them as well? Then, yeah, yeah, they did.
Speaker 1:Uh, didn't find it very useful. Maybe for some jams, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't be for your daily, but for race it'd be pretty good, nice and, yeah, even the pocket on my ones fit a 500 mil um flask at the back and the front, so I'm taking it. I could take a liter just in shorts and they hold up, they don't fall down, if I'm right. If I'm just running I would happily take a liter just in just on them and they wouldn't fall down and they feel comfortable. But ocr, obviously we've talked about before. It falls out and it's annoying not this time of year.
Speaker 1:The dew is good this time of year what the dew. It's all about you the dew for precipitation of lorraine. You don't need to carry water. If you have your socks on the outsides of your shoes and you're running through that long grass, you can get that dew.
Speaker 2:Or a beard. I collect it on my beard and I just lick my beard Tilt your head back Exactly, it drips into your mouth. Any other leggings? Mo, you said you have half tights.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm not't. I have a pair of 2xu leggings. They're okay. You wouldn't recommend um, not worth the hype, to be honest. No, decent. But I feel like as ocr athletes, there was a big like trend of everyone getting them, yeah, and I think that's made them feel like they're going to be better than they are, but they're not actually for what they're worth. They're not actually that like revolutionary. I want to try the. Is it the fusion that all the kind of scandi people wear? But they're just so expensive. That's what you'll see, probably. Well, today, I guess at hang on loads people wearing them fusion leggings, because all the survival runners seem to have them and they look like really nice leggings, but I just they're a lot of money, but if they're wearing them then I'm guessing they will be good with rope.
Speaker 2:They wouldn't split or anything yeah, I imagine. So because that's pretty good for ocr athlete. A fusion legging if we're using a lot of ropes yeah, I believe that's what good for OCR athlete a fusion leg in if we're using a lot of ropes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I believe that's what they're called. I will fact check that. Yeah, you see a lot of the Scandi countries wearing them or like that sort of side of Europe.
Speaker 2:Nice. Next was like do you guys wear tracksuit bottoms for any runs or anything like that? I know it seems a bit rogue to ask that question.
Speaker 3:No, I've worn the like the night um running tracks. They do like running tracksuit bottoms. They're a bit tighter and they're almost a bit like tights um, but they're just a little bit backier. But they're quite comfy.
Speaker 1:But it has to be really cold for me to want to wear them yeah, similarly, I've got a pair of run hill running tights that I bought on a sale, uh, to test out, and they're actually quite nice, similar to what mo just said, a bit bit bit looser. It's got a little a little thing on the bottom to stop them coming off your feet, off your ankles riding up.
Speaker 2:They're all right so you got ron ron hill nike and everyone knows the brand I've got. Yeah, I I'm glad there wasn't a rogue rogue question, because I wear them sometimes when you just want to go for that slow run in, like, say, when it gets down to zero some days, and you just want to feel warm yeah, sometimes that's actually what gets me out of bed is like no, it goes on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's like this looks like it's cold out, even if it's not that cold out, but just to know, I've got them. That's also why the tracky ones are quite nice, because you can I could almost do like a loop around my house come back, then I've got shorts underneath and just take them off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Good for warm-ups. I feel as well, Because in a warm-up I want to feel overly warm and sweating. So it's quite good for that you guys are wimps.
Speaker 1:We don't like the cold. I'm out all day in the cold.
Speaker 2:Do you know what we didn't ask? Also, what's underneath your shorts?
Speaker 3:I can't tell you the name of my boxers, but I'm going to get some.
Speaker 2:Have you got running ones? Yeah, you've got Runderwear and they're great. Okay, got some running ones. What about you? You alfresky.
Speaker 1:I am alfresky. I hate wearing anything. That's why I usually buy shorts that have either a built-in pant or something like that. I like my junk to feel free and feel the air between my legs. Feel free and feel the air between my legs.
Speaker 2:Cheers. And then, just to make sure everyone knows what brand I wear, it's this new brand called Decathlon. Decathlon, yeah, decathlon. Two pounds, two pounds, and they're ideal. I've got a pair of them too.
Speaker 1:I've got a pair of them too. I've got a pair of them.
Speaker 2:I think they're great. They are good. Yeah, don't need to get runderwear. You know runderwear is got.
Speaker 1:Oh, just just brand what I have got a pair of the decathlon pants pants, right, yeah, not the boxer brief ones, but the pants ones. Right now I have to buy the small pants. No, sorry, it's the small, the small pants because I gotta buy the small boxes, because I got itty bitty waist. But when I bought the small pants they were hella small. They're quite tight, aren't they? They are very tight, I will. I will send you guys a picture later.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see that. Keep that for your other page, mo, we can't actually see you. I think you've gone. Oh, mo's gone. Kiara's come back yeah seen him in his pants. Why are you showing your pants on screen? Should we carry on? Yeah, belt. Actually, this is a good thing, because you two have the same belt. What do you what?
Speaker 1:is it solomon s lab pulse belt?
Speaker 2:solomon s lab pulse belt. I need to invest in a belt, actually. Maybe that is on my list, because I don't have one yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1:I've used flip belt. Uh, there's loads of loads of belts out there. That seems to be a fairly decent one that can stick your phone in. They do a larger version that you can put more gear in, especially over the winter months. The larger one, you can fit a coat in it. Well, to be fair, even the small s lab one. I take my coat out and I can fold it up, just stuff it. I don't stuff it in a pocket, I just stuff it behind it, okay, so when you start getting warm you can put that, just tuck it behind it and it works really well, and then you can still use the pockets. It is a really versatile belt, especially for these winter months. You can stuff your gloves in it. Yeah, it's really good, actually nice, but you do need to wash it. I found that if you don't wash it, the zip breaks. Oh, because the gel gets stuck in it. No, just because of your sweat, unless you're not a sweaty person.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it gets a bit sweaty and breaks. I've broken, I've had three or four of them broken, zipped multiple times and I just broke the zip on the big one.
Speaker 3:I've had one and it's never broke, so I don't know what ones you've been buying, but we've got the same belt yeah, I just said this.
Speaker 1:I said I think it's because I don't wash the other ones as often as I should probably should have and I think I don't wash mine that much though I think also you need to keep using the zip, because on the larger version I got had sat in the cupboard for a while and then when I went to get it out the zip had rusted a bit and then, because I'm so strong, I just touched it with my incredibly strong fingers and it snapped yeah, maybe that's the problem my grip strength is not good enough yeah, it's a curse not pulling hard enough right water bottles.
Speaker 2:Anything on water bottles you.
Speaker 3:You're one that I've got. You still got it, ain't you? Yeah? Yeah, I bought some more, don't worry. Uh, I've got a salomon one that to go with my belt, but that's actually, that's moldy at the minute.
Speaker 1:That tells you how much I use it. I am glad you brought this up right because I'm going to teach every one of our listeners a top tip, a shipley top scientific tip, shipley's top tips, top tips for the day with your water bottle. So because obviously it's not the easiest thing in the world to clean right, and sometimes it just goes there, when you have done with your run and you're out of water, just chuck that thing in the freezer, because in the freezer bacteria does not grow. So therefore you can just chuck it in the freezer, not have to worry about it. When you go to get it straight out, fill it up off, you go, come back freezer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got mine in the freezer now. It is a good tip. Yes.
Speaker 3:Thank me later everyone. Yeah, because that is a problem I have. Is I also, because I don't really use them that much. I then go to use it and it's full of mold and I've had that happen to a couple of them now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'll be chucking mine in the freezer but one thing I've learned from having my fair few soft flasks, and I think soft flask is the best thing we can recommend for obstacle course racing. I think don't know why you would need another. I think everyone's got a random water bottle lying around. You can just put some water in. But we're talking about having when you're racing. Uh is, I've got, I've bought new ones. No one can see what I'm trying to say, but they're quite wide at the bottom. So they're quite small but wide, and that is. That was a wrong purchase. I think you need the ones that are like just really long, so that they can fit in your pouches quite easily, and the elastic.
Speaker 1:Go around them. Yeah, they tuck around they. They sort of mold to your belly shape a little bit better, don't they?
Speaker 2:yeah, the, the ones that I've got are too big and they like and and they bounce around too much. I think you just need to think Solomon actually do the really long ones, don't they?
Speaker 3:And then my, my Solomon one was like really long and actually out of all the soft flasks I've used, it's probably the most comfortable.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? And that is actually quite an affordable, good present to buy someone a little Solomon soft flask.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not too much. Also, though, because we're speaking from the the belt sort of perspective, a lot of people don't use belts, and they do go out with a running vest, but if you've got a running vest and you want a flask, you're probably better off getting the running flask that is suited for that vest yeah, yeah, and this is more ultras as well.
Speaker 2:I think there was. Sorry I shouldn't laugh, but there was people wearing one in the half marathon yesterday um a vest, and it's that. Where there's water stops all around, unless you say that they do.
Speaker 1:They do exos vests that are really, really light, with a couple of pockets that are they just sit better than their belt. I've got one that's literally just for a couple of gels, a soft flask and maybe a phone. It's like a really light, light, white one. It's just like a vest over the top, really, really good yeah, not, not convinced that you need. It depends, it's it. It does go to a bit of a matter of of likeness.
Speaker 3:Some people like the vest, but I think, yeah, some females like vests because they, you know, sit better okay I also think it just it's a matter of how long you're going to be out there and how much fuel you need if you are doing especially ultras, but if you're doing things that are really long, then sometimes a pack is better because you can get more in. Um, I mean, you could argue that the half marathon as well. If you're doing a half marathon and you know you're going to be over two and a half hours, then maybe you'll need a bit more fuel and things.
Speaker 1:So put your vest and it might be a bit more, bit more convenient to eat your lunch yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:You know, your bottles are there, all right.
Speaker 3:You've convinced me they're not for me. I always kind of wear a belt, but I can see the appeal.
Speaker 1:Okay, or the apparel. What Is it called apparel?
Speaker 3:Apparel yeah, is it like the apparel apparel.
Speaker 2:We're here for you. Uh, right, we should. We move up to tops, t-shirts, tops, vests, vests, pick one, go. What do you want? What's on your list? Adidas, adidas.
Speaker 3:They. Honestly. They make some of the best upper running clothes when it comes to vests and T-shirts and they're just so comfy and I never get any like nipple chafe. I never get anything kind of sore armpit lap chafe in Adidas. I'm always fine, they're comfy.
Speaker 1:Chips what are you going? Right, as we all know that I don't buy running t-shirts yeah. But if I am going to spend my money on something upper body, spend my money on something upper body. A decent merino base layer is worth every penny that is ever created in life to buy something. That stuff is amazing. You can sweat for days, it can get wet and you'll be warm. That stuff is fantastic.
Speaker 2:Merino Base Layer.
Speaker 1:Where have you got yours from? What's that sports shop it's like. Does budget start up? It's an online one, no M&M or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's the brand of your base layer? I have no idea.
Speaker 1:No idea, merino run good stuff. It's quite expensive. Yeah, so Merino run good stuff is quite expensive. Yeah, so I bought this stuff on the sale somewhere. But honestly, it's so good and it is a run specific one, so it's got like little vents underneath the armpits.
Speaker 2:It's a running long sleeve Merino base layer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If you notice, the ones that I wear are stripy because they'd run out of all the black ones so.
Speaker 3:I've stuck to just buying stripy. To be fair, out of all the ones I've tried, the best one I have tried is the most expensive one I've tried and that was the Innovate one that was designed more for running. I've also tried the cheaper ones that don't necessarily say they're designed for running.
Speaker 1:They're just merino wool long sleeves and they weren't as good. What you've got to look at is so there's a percentage of merino as opposed to the other fibers that they use it with. So, yeah, it's probably latex or some some crazy micro plastic get into your skin sort of cheap thing.
Speaker 2:But you're paying for the quality of merino and merino fiber, apparently yeah, I've had merino wool socks once and they were really really nice. Decathlon actually used to do merino wool socks. Don't do them anymore. Discontinue sad times. But yeah, I actually saw that. The other day I saw a long sleeve top that looked really nice and it was a merino wool. Uh, yeah, long sleeve, uh, running one, but you can get short sleeve as well, can't you?
Speaker 2:yeah um, obviously, obviously people don't know might not know this if you don't see us race that when we race we have. We tend to wear our um, our team shirts, and they're just vests, or we wear no top, but we're talking like ships.
Speaker 1:If you was going to go out for a run and it was a bit chilly, you would love to just have a selection of merino wool tops yeah, if it was chilly, I'd have something underneath one of them, yeah, that, and a decent jacket to stop the wind and you're, you're golden, you can go out and minus nice, I'll just throw a little bit more into that. I did my intervals on tuesday on the road. It was fairly chilly, it was drizzly. Yeah, I went out. I basically had a wind break on. I was not cold when I started and I wasn't too hot when I finished, because I just had that merino on and all I did was took my, I did my, my, my wind break a little bit and that was it. Such good stuff. It was wet, wet and cold and it was just. It just holds, holds warm I like that.
Speaker 2:I'll leave that because I'm just where I don't. Actually, I've never really been fussed on what I wear when I run on a top wise, I don't know why. So we, we get suckered into marketing, don't we that? We, we like one brand or one thing. So, but I've never really been fussed on what I put on when I'm running. Uh, not baggy, no, only when I'm doing gym. Fuss then has to be tight because you want to look ripped, exactly, yeah, a nice tight gym shark, long sleeve black top. Now that that's where I look my best. So one of those most.
Speaker 3:Yeah see, I like the complete opposite a bit. Yeah, just, there's nothing nicer than going out for like a especially the weather recently where it's been a bit crisp so you haven't been able to wear a vest, but it's not cold enough to wear a long sleeve putting a real baggy top on just the same about it, just comfort that's an age thing, though that's because you're you're with the kids at the moment.
Speaker 1:Your're age, you're a all the youngsters like baggy now yeah, but tight just feels too restricting.
Speaker 3:I feel like I'm being choked yeah, but my biceps look good and it looks like I've got biceps especially when you've got all
Speaker 2:boys on what? Uh, any jumpers?
Speaker 1:anything you recommend from a jumper point of view it wouldn't be a jumper, it'd be like a coat yeah, I've got some water.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, I think you should have gone a jumper wise.
Speaker 2:See, I don't mind. I don't mind sticking like a a on, like a running layer over the top.
Speaker 3:Nah, no, no, I'm either long sleeve like good quality winter layer and a windbreaker similar to Shipley, or that's me when I'm really cold, or I'm just in that long sleeve.
Speaker 1:Just remember, with running, running, be bold, start cold.
Speaker 2:And another thing to say is wear your basically put clothes on for the third or second mile, not for the first, because you'll be warm.
Speaker 1:Yeah, be bold, start cold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I prefer that one actually. Yeah, ships do better. Yeah, be bold, start cold. Yeah, I prefer that one actually. Yeah, ships do better. Uh, when we're on to your wind, proofs any, any brands or anything you recommend for a windproof right, that decathlon one, what one's it?
Speaker 1:g-lay? Uh, yeah, the g-lay, the g-lay, and they did a coat version. Now I've got the Patagonia Himalaya. Is it the Himalaya? What is it called? The Houdini? Houdini, right. And basically it's exactly the same as that Decathlon one. There's hardly any difference. And that Decathlon one's half the price. How much is your Patagonia one? It was about. Well, I think I got it in the sale. Yeah, for about 80 quid, and then From France.
Speaker 2:And well, the decathlon would be from France as well. Whereas, how much is that one?
Speaker 1:That's probably about 30 quid, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:No, the gilet is 12. Oh, the gilet.
Speaker 1:the gilet is 12 quid. That's really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really good, the gilet is so it stops enough wind to make sure that your core is staying nice and warm. Yeah, mo, do you recommend any?
Speaker 3:I've got a cheap high estate windbreaker. Yeah, the sports shoe brand. That's not bad for a windbreaker. Sometimes you have to get the weather right because it can sometimes feel like you're in a bit more of like a bin bag, but when it's cold it does the job I, I move, that's probably.
Speaker 2:That's a really good recommendation, that brand, but not for, not for me, for a windbreaker. But moving on to probably the next category, right it waterproof. Now, because we're quite seasoned runners, I would say you rarely actually need a waterproof if you're going anything from an hour to two hours like you're gonna sweat, just get wet. So yes did you like that?
Speaker 1:I didn't even mean it?
Speaker 2:but if you like, obviously, if you're going out and doing like a mountain marathon, then yes, you need to be careful, you need to wear a waterproof. But that's when you get into like tape seams. You're looking at the um, how much waterproofing actually has? You're getting into the very detail of it. But let's talk about just you know, getting a waterproof for the average runner, and I would say high estate has been the best one I've ever had.
Speaker 1:It's pressing the how you say that because I've got this, I've got a higher state one, and it's you don't know so, my higher state one that I'm really use as a windbreaker is supposed to be waterproof.
Speaker 3:Okay, that thing is not waterproof to say anyone's one I love mine. It's awful.
Speaker 2:Okay, any rain jackets you recommend, then Best Go on Mo.
Speaker 3:Well, I like the again. This is going to sound like I just shag Adidas, but the Terex is quite nice. That does the job. Again, you don't feel too warm. The thing I like about waterproofs is when I'm resistance to the rain, but then also that I don't feel like I'm really warm inside. Yeah, and the high estate does both terribly In my opinion. Obviously, darren, you love it, but maybe you've got an older one where they care a bit more.
Speaker 2:It's not old, it's really stretchy fabric as well. My one oh, mine's not, oh, oh, maybe it is an odd one no, mine's like.
Speaker 3:Even the quality doesn't feel great ships.
Speaker 1:Right now, I've got a waterproof jacket at the moment, which is the Rab Summit or other.
Speaker 2:Oh he's gone. Fancy on us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a fancy dancy one, but I'm going to go back to the best waterproof jacket I've ever owned, and it is the Ultimate Direction Men's Ultra Jacket. I think it was the version one, though, that I had, and I used that when I did my little jog around Britain as my waterproof jacket, and I tell you what that thing was brilliant, and it's got built-in gloves as well and that I tell you what is a game changer. That's a good recommendation, and also, at the moment it's on sale. What's it called?
Speaker 2:Ultimate Direction. What Men's Ultra Jacket, men's Ultra Jacket. What's it called? Ultimate direction? What men's ultra jacket, men's ultra jacket? Yeah, that is for you.
Speaker 1:Like you, you're, you're committed to keep staying warm and dry. To be fair, it was. It was a really good jacket. It it didn't keep you like mega, mega warm, but then I used it in the beast from the east. That was pretty cold, but it's it really does keep you dry, really does keep you dry, and with them built-in gloves yeah that go out of your hands.
Speaker 1:You can go in and out of, like you know, you're just taking that wind off your hands. Really, good feature, good jacket that. And I must say I was talking to dixon the other day, mark dixon, and he's just bought a jacket which was gore-tex. Can't remember the name, uh, no, it was um ron hill, the gore-tex one. Yeah, he, he approved of it. Oh, he likes it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah I, we can go back to it in a minute actually, because you just reminded me when you said gore-tex. Actually we didn't. Now I saw some posts, um of on an obstacle course racing uh chat on facebook and I wanted to pipe up but I didn't. Maybe I can just share this podcast with them. They were talking about getting shoes and they were like, oh, should I get gore-tex? You know, like only waterproof for the winter, and like my, my brother would say this and I think everyone would say that he was in the army and like, don't get gore-tex, like not in your shirt will be just so hot and sweaty and it won't release any of that that sweat as well.
Speaker 2:And and also for ocr, if you're going in like water and things it, you don't want the water to be retained in the shoe.
Speaker 3:You want that's the thing in ocr. It makes it worse because once, as soon as it goes past the actual kind of like bit where your ankle is, where the water gets in, it's then stuck in there, so it doesn't like go release at all and it's awful I, I don't understand.
Speaker 2:I'd love for someone to come on just to convince me why we have gore-tex trainers, but right oh, you're gonna go now.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna convince you because I think I do believe that having gore-tex shoes is a waste of time because you want to have. You're better off having shoes that dry quickly with trail shoes than you are to have waterproof ones. But I think what people like is, if they're running through that grass, dewy stuff, they don't like the water to come through. Especially for maybe a slower runner, or you're a bit more entry-level runner who's not going as fast, or going in and out and going out for their little jog. Getting that wet foot might be not that nice and you know what it's like when you've got a cold foot or if you've got bad circulation in your feet, you probably don't want to get wet. So, yes, there is a place for them, but it all depends on the person you are and where you're running, the speed you're running and things like that. You are, and where you're running, the speed you're running and things like that. Yeah, if you're going in and out of water, forget gore-tex shoes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want to know some science about gore-tex, though we always love your son, right? So gore-tex is actually the brand of waterproof stuff, right, and they? Basically because with waterproof, the rating is dependent on how breathable it is, isn't it? Yeah, so your waterproof rating, and then you have to have a breathable rating, and then when they're both good, it's good. So Gore-Tex is not completely waterproof, but it holds the most water compared to anything else with the most breathability. That's why they're branded as Gore-Tex, and you have to buy the Gore-Tx brand to buy into it or something yeah, gore-tex is a brand.
Speaker 2:Everyone assumes you're going to get gore-tex, so they assume it's waterproof.
Speaker 1:It's like no, no, it's only the membrane, yeah, but it's got the highest, got the most guaranteed waterproof rating out of most other membranes with the higher level of breathability. So that's where they make it really good, because their breathability on their waterproofing is both good because it breathes better there you go, science over it wasn't very much science, though, was it no, I liked it.
Speaker 2:It's good. Do you guys put anything on your head? That's what I was going with on under layers any under layers before we move on to that anything. Do you guys put anything on your head? That's what I was going with Underlayers Any underlayers before we move on to that Base layers.
Speaker 3:No, again, just a good. I guess a merino wool layer could be a base layer.
Speaker 2:I actually might put that on my list. Ships actually my Christmas list. This year Could do with one of those.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, yeah, actually my, my christmas list this year could do with one of those?
Speaker 2:yeah, um, okay, yeah, uh, anything on your head. Yeah, what do you put on your head?
Speaker 1:chips, come on a hat, a hat I always wear for running in particularly, yeah, the buff brand, the buff. Oh yeah, the buff yeah yeah, but it's a brand buff is a brand buff, so I wear buff hat nice, I was actually leading you up to say that you wear accountability corner beanie, but it's fine yeah, I don't actually wear that running see, this is the one area where I almost do what Ships does.
Speaker 3:In every other area I'll just wear the cheapest possible cotton beanie, because normally if I'm wearing a hat it's going to be really cold. I can just wear a cheap cotton and it keeps me quite warm.
Speaker 2:It will always come off as well at one stage, I think yeah, those buff hats, don't know, you can keep them on.
Speaker 3:They're so good for heat management telling you okay, a buff, I wear just decathlon beanie I think if it's raining I'll wear a cap, but that's just because I don't like water in my eyes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a very, very good thing to use a cap. I always wear a hat when it's raining, especially if you've got a waterproof, because you can keep the hood up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and just have the peak to kind of protect your eyes from the wet.
Speaker 1:Did you know that if you don't feel the rain on your head, then it makes it feel not so rainy? It's a trick that we use at work. That's why, when it's raining, if you're out working on a site where you have to, where you don't have to wear a hard hat, if it's raining you put a hard hat on just to make sure you don't feel the rain on your head and it makes you stay out longer.
Speaker 2:I hate the rain, so that might be a good thing for me. I put a hat on all the time in the rain. What about gloves?
Speaker 3:Any recommendations for gloves?
Speaker 2:I've just got some like night running gloves and they seem all right, but I've never really delved into kind of having a good pair the best thing, though I think both of you can uh attest to this and for anyone going into ocr next year that might be going into that, have cold hands and suffer. I think christmas present the mittens you you both have would be awesome.
Speaker 1:The.
Speaker 3:Bleg mitts, bleg mitts, yeah, oh, yeah, I've got a fake pair, but yeah, they're actually quite good. I always forget I have them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just think they're an amazing present. You wouldn't want to buy them because you don't always know when you're going to use them, but knowing that they're in your bag, I think would be awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are a useful bit of kit, especially for a race. Yeah, and it may be one of them presents that you just don't, you don't want to buy yourself, because I don't think they're like cheap, cheap, but they're not like expensive, expensive. So it might just be one of those things that you know, you just, you just want a pair.
Speaker 2:That's what christmas is for. Like the socks, like most socks, like I wouldn't buy those socks, but I would actually appreciate being given them and also a merino wool. Who would buy them? Well, obviously we would, but not many people would buy themselves a nice merino wool base layer. It's like getting that, but yeah, it's quite nice. Um right, I think we've, we've got, we got down to hands. Anything. Anything else Clothes-wise missing as a list, christmas list for people and for us.
Speaker 3:No, oh, I guess like a kind of I'm going to say buff, but not the brand buff, just like a thing you put around your neck. I don't know what they're actually called A snood.
Speaker 1:A snood, that's also a brand, is it? Yeah, that is actually a brand as well. What they're actually called A snood? A snood, that's it. That's also a brand, is it? Yeah, there is actually a brand as well. What's it actually called? A neck warmer? A neck warmer, yeah, or something. A scarf with no end.
Speaker 3:But a couple of them as a stocking filler.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Do you?
Speaker 1:know I actually prefer them than a race T-shirt sometimes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would prefer well, that's not necessarily totally true because I love a cotton T-shirt, because I don't like to buy T-shirts, but at a race I love getting them. I'd prefer that than a medal. That's right, Libby, I'd prefer that than a medal.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would. Actually, I would get rid of medals and get a T-shirt and one of them. Yeah, I would get rid of medals and get a t-shirt and one of them. I'd be well up for that. Medals just clog your house. Unless it's a podium medal, I don't want it.
Speaker 1:Finlay's going to love hearing us say that.
Speaker 3:Do you think the same?
Speaker 1:You've heard the debate, haven't you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, fill me in on the drama, the debate is there.
Speaker 1:Well, finlay doesn't want medals, libby likes medals.
Speaker 2:Let's go into. I think this is something that covers your whole body. Yeah, Maybe clothing. That, I think, is the best thing that I have and own, but I don't know if I'd buy it myself because it's expensive. Well, they're not that expensive now, because there's so many everywhere. Can you guess what I'm going to say? Wait, did you say it's not clothing? It is clothing.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what you're saying it's going to be a dry robe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, honestly, it's a game changer changer, isn't it? Putting that on after a race, when you're freezing, is so good do you know what right it is?
Speaker 1:yeah, I don't use mine that much, don't you?
Speaker 3:no, there's probably a couple of races that I use it for, and then I just don't bother yeah I get to get changed in in a race where there's, like, just a field and there's no changing facilities, then I like I'll just use my microfiber towel, yeah, and bottle bath, and bottle bath not when it's really cold, though, and you got. You're in an open field and you got wind yeah, yeah, just still use that my my towel.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is easier to have the the dry rope, but count how many times I've got my dry rope this next year okay, won't be a lot.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm gonna recommend it as a present because I think everyone would love to have that and, to be fair, I did get mine as a present yeah, I got mine as a present as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah same, yeah, I think that's the go-to ocr there you go big.
Speaker 2:That's probably our recommendation is the present. If you're looking for something to get an ocr person or a runner even a runner in your life a dry robe or dry robe esque. Dry robe was the og or swimsuit, depending who you want to talk to, but they're everywhere now, aren't they?
Speaker 1:yeah, you don't even look like a full-grown audi in it no, well, you go.
Speaker 2:When I go to brighton, literally people walk around in their dry robes.
Speaker 3:Yeah to be fair dog walking. That is a great essential when it's raining yep, so actually it's a great present.
Speaker 2:great, it's a bit hot, though Not if you're just walking. Yeah, I like it, but I'd say the only thing I'd say with dry rope, be careful now, because Primark are selling them and I don't think they will be as waterproof or good. So just make sure you look at the brand and who's making it.
Speaker 3:That's the one thing I can guarantee about dry rope that like the most waterproof thing I've ever put on in my life. I don't know what they do with their layer, but that is yeah, they don't make it provable.
Speaker 1:That's what they do.
Speaker 2:That's the good thing about I love that I've been to downpours of races and been dry as a bone in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah I don't get that warm, because I don't. I just, I can just wear a t-shirt and shorts underneath it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Do you think we should do this as a two-parter, then Because?
Speaker 3:I've got so many other things. Well, now we've also got nutritional things that we could probably go into.
Speaker 2:Nutrition, yeah, and tech, yeah, and accessories like bags and things like that. I't know. Do you want to?
Speaker 3:maybe we do that as a new year's sale. You know there's always a sale on at new year's. Yeah, this is your christmas gifts and we'll get back to you with a new year's sale what you can spend your christmas money on I'll tell you what we do.
Speaker 2:We put it in the blog.
Speaker 3:The links, links to it in the blog.
Speaker 2:Yes, our nutrition, I'll put all the links in there and because everyone's like, oh, I want to hear about it. Well, we want everyone to go to our lovely website because we build add can people add to it?
Speaker 1:they can comment.
Speaker 2:You can comment on it, yeah can we create an accountability corner?
Speaker 1:christmas list of everyone's hopes, and we could be like santa claus. Yeah, we could be like santa, so everyone can send us their accountability corner wish list. Right, we won't get it for anyone. Yeah, you won't be getting a present from us, but we would love to know what you want okay, I'll create a way to to get it, but we need we need engagement.
Speaker 2:We need everyone to be letting us know what they're buying, what they're not buying, what they wish they had, what they're looking for in the sales because we might have missed. Well, we definitely would have missed loads of stuff. Yeah, do you reckon we got we hit your topic? Then ships have had to stay accountable over christmas. Nope, we can get that next week?
Speaker 2:yeah, we'll get his next one. We'll be more prepped. I've written all this all down, though, so it's definitely going to be linked and I'll get the links from all of you so that I can make sure people can go to it, because, especially if people haven't heard about, is it blegmits? Is it b-l-e-g?
Speaker 2:yeah, so yeah, because blegmits come from australia yeah, because I've highlighted a few things that we've all agreed or you said is like an absolute must or like a game changer, like your belt. I'll definitely put a link to that because you've mentioned that so many times. I obviously always say that the soft flasks if you haven't got any, you need some just to have. Say that the soft flasks, if you haven't got any, you need some just to to have the merino wall running base layer absolutely game changer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll send a link to the ones I got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um higher state windbreaker? No, probably not, but the the g-lay at decathlon, 12 pounds and not go wrong with that and mo, just for you, if you send me the link to the socks, I'll put them in there for people.
Speaker 3:Thanks so if you want to get a good pair of running socks, yeah, you know where to go.
Speaker 1:You don't want to put the amazon ones in there.
Speaker 2:No, I'll put them in there yeah, because I'll put an affiliate link on that one if you want a budget, if you want a budget and you want to get loads of socks, not just for running, but for life yeah, uh, because we've still got right. Just touching on what I probably will put in here. Yeah, so if you want to buy some something else for someone for christmas strava subscription, oh, I'd love it. Pliability subscription, I'd love that uh, I'll just.
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna just throw a little bit on that pliability. They have changed some of the poses and some of them are completely useless you now do it. You're now doing banana pose. You're now doing I'm sorry if pliability listen to this which I'm sure they do cut some of that stuff. Go back to the way it was.
Speaker 2:Do you know? The other thing we haven't mentioned is obviously a race, a bloody race.
Speaker 1:You said it buy your love on a race to be fair, that's actually the ultimate.
Speaker 3:That just saves me so much money and to.
Speaker 2:Well, I'll ask you both if there's anything else you want to add before I, uh, put the last thing, the most important thing, on the list well, I think stocking filler wise.
Speaker 3:Yeah, gels or electrolytes or anything like that are always quite good yeah, yeah light.
Speaker 2:I got a light last year as a stocking filler a light, oh, like a.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is a good stocking filler a chess one as well, which is really good for OCR chess one yeah, that is also yeah ships um gift voucher nice because, sports because, or anywhere yeah, gift shop vouchers for these places, because if you're struggling to come up with an idea, the person or loved one that you're buying for knows exactly what they want and they just don't want to buy it themselves. Or they want to buy it themselves but don't have enough money, and the gift voucher just helps pay that cost yeah, and and a race is also.
Speaker 2:I would say a race is good to book for them because then that means they're going to use all this equipment they're going to buy I'll tell you what as well, though.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm going to end this on a soppy one. Okay, but I actually would just like your loved one to just come to a race and support you every now and again, because that's really nice. To come to a race, come to a an event, be there supporting each other yeah nice. You don't need to actually buy gifts.
Speaker 2:Presence is better than presence oh, he's got it all today. I was gonna say that is another great one, it's good. Yeah, I don't even want to find anything now, but I've got it because we put some hard work into it. Yeah, okay, I agree that's nice ships, uh, okay. So to end, end the podcast. You may have or may not have heard a little uh advert in our episode today, but just to, just to you know, end this episode on a high.
Speaker 2:We have now got merch on our website. Now we are trialing this merch and we appreciate every single person that does purchase or even just has a little look at our merch, because most most designed some t-shirts and yeah, it's not always going to be the cheapest because obviously we're first trying this, but we do appreciate any support as possible. And maybe maybe a little bit accountability corner t-shirt for christmas might be good as well and it does to help with our podcast so that we can keep growing. And then also, we have and will be releasing a patreon page. So, yeah, more to come and you will definitely see more of us in uh 2025. What we're doing, we're definitely going to get more involved. Subtle plug done, yeah staying accountable, baby.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, you all good done that's everything alright goodbye, alright. Thanks for watching, guys.
