Accountability Corner
Embark on an adventure with Darren, Morgan, and Chris, the dynamic trio steering the ship at "Accountability Corner." As passionate OCR enthusiasts, they're on a mission to share their expertise and enthusiasm for obstacle course racing with the world. From sharing insider tips on overcoming training plateaus to demystifying the complexities of race registration and gear selection, no stone is left unturned. Whether you're a seasoned competitor hungry for fresh perspectives or a newcomer eager to dip your toes into the muddy waters of OCR, these hosts are here to guide you every step of the way. Join them as they peel back the curtain on the electrifying world of OCR, revealing stories of triumph, camaraderie, and boundless adventure.
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Accountability Corner
#47: Siri Englund's Journey: From Wrestling to Obstacle Cource Racing:
Siri Englund's name is synonymous with excellence in obstacle course racing. From claiming victory at the inaugural OCR World Championship in 2014 to her recent comeback after years of injury struggles, her journey epitomizes the resilience that defines true champions.
Few athletes can claim such diverse athletic credentials. Before conquering obstacle courses, Siri was a wrestler who discovered her passion for running during preseason training when teammates dreaded cardio work. This unique background led her to Toughest, one of Sweden's first OCR series, where she immediately competed in the elite division and found her calling.
After her groundbreaking OCR World Championship win, Siri's path took an unexpected turn toward military pentathlon. For eight years, she focused on this discipline, developing exceptional technical skills and an unmatched understanding of obstacle flow. Her military training emphasized precision, memorization, and fluid movement through obstacles – creating a mantra she still follows today: "in, through, and out" – approaching obstacles at speed, executing efficiently, and immediately transitioning back to running.
The military career culminated in a world championship victory in 2023, but years of repetitive training had taken a severe toll on her body. Plagued by Achilles injuries that threatened to end her athletic career entirely, Siri made the difficult decision to step away from pentathlon and return to her OCR roots with a more balanced approach to training.
What followed was remarkable – by incorporating more cycling, varied strength work, and technical obstacle training, she's now running pain-free for the first time in eight years. This physical rehabilitation has sparked a competitive renaissance, allowing her to set ambitious goals for upcoming championships in Portugal and Sweden.
Throughout our conversation, Siri offers invaluable insights into training philosophy, the evolution of OCR in Sweden as an officially recognized sport, and finding balance between technical proficiency and running capacity. Her perspective bridges the gap between military precision and the creative challenge of modern obstacle racing.
Have you found your perfect training balance? Join us at Accountability Corner as we explore what makes champions tick and how everyday athletes can apply these lessons to their own OCR journeys.
Welcome to the Accountability Corner, where we talk about everything obstacle course racing, from staying disciplined in training, affording the sport, signing up for your first race and, more importantly, how the sport is growing around the world, with your hosts Morgan Maxwell, chris Shipley and Darren Martin.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome to Accountability Corner, and today we have an extremely, extremely special guest. We have an elite racer, which we don't tend to always have on the podcast. Obviously, we've had Leon, we've had Bracken from someone who's back in the day, but we have someone who's very present in the current OCR world, so we have Siri England. Hopefully I said that right, that's how I try my best.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was very good actually yeah, welcome thank you so much for having me yeah, so I reached out to you on Instagram because I have known about you since 2014. Um, basically, when I first started obstacle racing and the first OCR WC came about, you was the first winner and that was the first sort of time I ever saw you in OCR. So, yeah, can you uh sort of take us back to then and how you got into OCR from 2014, being a first OCR WC champion?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was a very special year, 2014, for me. I was living in Umeå in Sweden that's like the northern part and back then I was actually into wrestling Wrestling, I was a wrestler yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1:I didn't expect that you don't believe it.
Speaker 3:So I was studying at the university but also doing wrestling for the university university and then, like, I was always a bit like too too tall, too skinny for wrestling in my weight category. So my like favorite part was always like the um pre-season training when we did a lot of running and everyone hated it and I thought that was the best part. And then when I was living in umio, they were they would have one of the first OCR races in Sweden. That's called the Toughest. So Toughest had a race in Umeå and I was thinking like I need to try this. This sounds like awesome, like a playground for grownups doing like running and obstacles, um.
Speaker 3:so I applied actually to run in the elite group from the beginning, um, and I think I ended up third in the first run I did for toughest wow and then I thought like this I think you, you know this feeling like when you know that this is something I want to do, yeah, exactly like the first days, and you're hooked. So then I started understanding the toughest actually had, um, a tour, and if you did like the whole tour, you had the possibility to win some prize money, uh, so I went to malmo to compete the next weekend and then they had the last, I think actually, yeah, when I ran in malmo I won that race. So I was like, okay, in the the tour, but the final was in gutterborg. Um, sometime after that, um and um, I thought, yeah, well, we're going all in, so I'm going going to Göteborg and doing the race there.
Speaker 3:And I came in second after a girl called Anna, and then I think I won like 10,000 Swedish kronor, and I would say that's around like thousand euros oh nice and that was like the ticket to go to the US, like flying to the US and competing in the first OCR world championship so had you heard about, oh how did you hear about OCRWC?
Speaker 1:Was it quite big, because that was the first year that they held it, so it was quite a quiet year. Was there quite a lot of hype going about in Sweden?
Speaker 3:I think we were actually quite a few Swedes that went to that race and I know that after like the, the last tough competition or like just before I started hearing about this oceol world championship and when, when I heard also that a lot of people that did the tour was going and I had like the opportunity to go with them, I I just used the, the prize money and and follow them to to the to this like big race, without really knowing like what's what it was. Um, but yeah, I think, uh, I think it was a really, really fun, fun event. Was any of you guys there?
Speaker 1:so I didn't go to the first one, but I went to the second one. I actually cheered you on right because you ran past me, so I actually give you a shout. But that course that that Ohio course was such a good course. In my opinion it was one of the best courses I've ever run. How do you feel about that? Was it something you enjoyed?
Speaker 3:I really, really enjoyed it. I think actually, like thinking back at it, I'm really amazed like how well they did it the first race. It was like some of like some of the really big obstacles, like the monkey bar going up and down and also like the technical parts in the forest and then like some rigs that we thought was so difficult back then, but now it would be like standard.
Speaker 1:The thing is they were simple rigs but I think there was just so many different elements to the race. There was like sternum checkers, the wooded area, like it was going through some really cool forestry section. Honestly, you guys, that was the best race I've ever done.
Speaker 4:So good I remember being 14 and seeing some of the pictures Because we had obviously it started, especially the second year. It all started to get like a bit bit more bigger and you'd see some of the pictures and stuff in it. Even to this day I look back and it looks like such a cool race, like everything was just like a bit of a spectacle yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was really good recording, wasn't it? Like the recording back there of it feel, feel like OCR goes through really peaks and troughs of being good at recording, bad at recording, bit good at recording it. I don't know. I don't know what peak we're going for in a minute, maybe like a mediocre recording, but yeah it was, it was really good. Um, they did a really good job at actually the media of it and celebrating the winners, because I think you even you even had a post-race interview, which is a rare, rare occasion, isn't it?
Speaker 3:yeah and I they did. Like, looking back at it, they did so well at that, like first, uh, uh, first of their world championship. So like yeah, I'm really impressed because you thought that would be like the standard, but it's haven't been like uh like that for for every other race that's been done, yeah we we had that.
Speaker 2:We've had that in the uk. We we had something called mudster call um. They were like a really big um community and they did amazing videos like they followed around the series in the uk, really showcase the winners like full, full, like um coverage of the race. But that was like five, six, probably, like actually like seven years ago and that was. That was amazing, but we've never had something since that's the best footage we've ever heard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and I think that happened on the toughest series. I remember watching it like the coverage there, like a drone footage, yeah, everything, yeah, yeah. That was when we wasn't as good and we were just watching it on TV thinking I wish I could do that.
Speaker 3:And you're doing it now. Yeah Well.
Speaker 2:I'm still wishing I could do it as quickly as you.
Speaker 1:I was way better back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and obviously what we said to you before we quick click record. That's the reason. Obviously the podcast is here to get mo is going to be that good, so we're gonna get mo there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's awesome yeah, and siri, maybe, maybe, um, just on that subject then, because we obviously we're doing this selfishly to get make mo the best athlete possible. What have you learned from like 2014? Like how, how have you? How did you like, adapt, even bring in a training mechanism to ocr, because I swear you're probably just doing it just from phil, wasn't you? Back then it wasn't actually clear coaches and you probably just had toughest lab was like the only place you could probably go to yeah, toughest lab.
Speaker 3:Uh, I think they started that a few years after uh the ocr. Well, like the, the 2014 race, but, like you said, it was so new. Uh, I know you had like since 2010 in the uk, but in sweden it was really like the first races. In 2014, I think, or in the the end of 2013, we had like the first optical races, so it was so new and, um, I think also the community was quite small back then but really really tight and everyone was really passionate about it and I think also the vision of what OCR could be was really nice back then too was really nice back then too, and with all the coverage, as you said, it was really like more professional, I think, than it's now actually but, no, but we have.
Speaker 3:We have a few races now in sweden. I think that since we got like an official sport um, they started to be much more serious again. I would say so I think we're, we're on the right track, but uh, but back then the it was. It was uh, really new, and I have done so many mistakes and also learned so much since then.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the whole part of obstacle racing, I think. I think it's the best opportunity to learn how your body moves, because you're constantly making mistakes and you've got constant. You've got so many different avenues and things to overcome that it just allows you to just develop continuously. You're always developing yourself and always trying to do better, and I think that's really good in obstacle racing. But so when did Sweden become and that like make it a national sort of sport, because if it was going since 2014, yeah, and now it's a national and like they, they recognize OCR as an actual sport. So when did that happen?
Speaker 3:I'm so bad with years, but I think we have been an official sport for three or four years now and that's now we're part of the track and field community, so we're like a specific part of track and field yeah, yeah how is it working in uk?
Speaker 1:we're getting there, yeah yeah, not quite a sport yet, but yeah, okay on the on the way yeah, so they they've actually just put in their final documentations, I think, and they were just waiting for, I guess, either the confirmation or, yeah, I suppose, if they don't want to do it, the sports council as well. But, fingers crossed, national, yeah, I suppose, if they don't want to do it, the sports council as well. But fingers crossed, yeah so, yeah, so what? What did that allow sweden to obtain then for being a national sport?
Speaker 3:um well, I think it gave it some like credibility or how you would yeah I don't know if I used the right word, but it's more serious, I would say. But it also gives the a lot of like we, we get kind of the same um treatment or like um, yeah, we get the same help as the track and field, the athletes yeah, so that's almost the same coaching yes, and so that's that's been really, really great.
Speaker 3:I think, um, and I think so there is a lot of like positivity with the being an official sport, but it also like kind of takes away some of the really nice parts of obstacle run. That it can be like you never know what's coming. It can be like really really.
Speaker 1:Like a bit spontaneous, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:And some of like. So now you have to do like the you know the three wristband principle to be like an uh, a real, real race in sweden. So you always have to do the. Do you know the three?
Speaker 2:yeah, the band, yeah, the british, british obstacle sports is art federation and they, like you, you're probably going on to it which is kind of like it standardized the sport in a way that makes it quite consistent. Um, so there's a consistent approach to penalties, a consistent approach to rankings, a consistent approach to even training actually has a grassroots development consistency in the uk now as well.
Speaker 3:So I guess that you you've got elements like that have come into play with it being a federation yes, exactly like you describe it, and I think it's really cool and it's uh fun that it's like getting more serious, but it's also like now, looking back at it, you can miss, like the toughest races, because they don't want to do this, they don't want to do the same principle and don't have to have, they don't want to do the same rules that that you describe.
Speaker 2:So they want to do it in their way and I, I really like that about toughest um, so I, if it's possible that both words worlds exist, then it would be, will be, will be good, yeah I'm sure they can exist because you're going to have brands that want to do their own thing, like iron man, for instance, is a brand, and they do their own thing in triathlon and then triathlon's got its olympic pathway, which has to be consistent.
Speaker 2:So OCR is going to have that have that variation as well, because we have we have races in the UK, british obstacle sports, and we have a community, uk OCR, which has helped support, bring together races to be affiliated with British obstacle sports to go into a series and within, if they're within that series, they have to have a consistent level of like how they do that race. And we really like it because it actually allows different brands to actually come into a series rather than it being owned and by a, by something like a brand, like spartan, for instance. We I only say spartan a bit annoyed with spartan today because I checked out the prices, but um yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:I was, I was looking to, I was looking and chatting with Mo and Ships and I was like, oh, fancy sun nut for a beast in May, just just fun of it. And I just the price is just crazy, especially in the UK.
Speaker 3:It's just like I don't know if it is everywhere yeah, I've done one spartan race, and that was uh one week ago, I think, in spain oh, you went to there yeah yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people from the uk went across. Yeah, yeah, uh because, just because we had the training camp there for the track and field club went to um, to that um yeah, just yeah to spain to do, to do a training camp.
Speaker 3:And then there was the spartan race and I was okay. Now I guess I have to pay to a crazy amount of money to run this race, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:I think it was really fun, but it's still yeah a lot it is good fun, um, and that's why I'm probably still considering it, uh what are the prices like in um sweden?
Speaker 4:are they being a sport? Has it made the prices better or um, like prices to run the race?
Speaker 3:yeah, you mean? Yeah, uh, I think we have been on quite a consistent level with the prices for the races. It's about between like 50 and maybe 100 euro for a race.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, we signed up for um well, we're going we're going in april?
Speaker 2:aren't we to tough hiking?
Speaker 1:tough, tough hiking. We signed up for tough hiking and we we actually found that extremely cheap yeah, we were shocked nice yeah are you doing any other races in sweden this year?
Speaker 3:no, we signed.
Speaker 2:We'd love to do that, but yeah, we signed up that because we want to uh test out the course for the world championships.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a race that I would like to invite you to, if you want to, to come, and it's uh, the swedish championship oh, we know all about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, we know about the tours trophy. We've seen it and every I think a lot of people in the uk do a cover cross.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's amazing and they have like the same. They're doing like really really good live streams and they are really serious about I think they are a really good like someone to look up to when you're doing races so are the people who run tours. Trophy are they, are they races themselves uh, yeah, the like I would say, the head of Torch Trophy. He is also like doing a lot of.
Speaker 3:He's also planning the world championship in Stockholm so and he has done a lot of track and field events before. So even though he hasn't been in like OCR the entire time, he's really good with events and like know what's like important and makes the rules really simple. So there will be no like problems with did he touch the beam or did he not?
Speaker 2:yeah, did he yeah because that's been one of the problems, I think, with the these three bands, that um as soon as you lose one band to make or there's a perception that you've done something wrong, your race is over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the free band system yeah you've been penalized for it, darren, haven't you? Yeah?
Speaker 2:well doing.
Speaker 1:The penalty system in especially hungary was even I got out of the race, even I got penalised and I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's been like sometimes you do such a good race and then it's like something really weird.
Speaker 2:You've touched the top of a nunchuck, yeah, and you're like what You're going to cup and it's so brutal.
Speaker 3:When you're done you're really really happy with the race and then in the end you're like disqualified or something.
Speaker 1:For really stupid things it's one of the things I miss about the sort of old school style of OCR when we had, you know, it wasn't so much of these hanging obstacles. I mean, although we did have quite a lot of hanging obstacles, everything was quite simple, so you just had like things to hang off weren't gimmicky, and I think that's kind of what I miss nowadays in OCR. I just miss those sort of simple obstacles that you can just get over fast, fluid and things like that, which, in a way, will take us towards some of your because you do. Is it army pentathlete, pentathlon me pentathlete, pentathlon.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like after 2016, I went into military training and started with military pentathlon, and also like we have a obstacle course military obstacle course.
Speaker 2:That's a part of the pentathlon competition I'm glad you pivoted their ships because I was going to ask that question, but I before the pivot, yeah, yeah. So before, actually before we go into that, siri, I do want to ask you a question because I know our listeners will will want to know this, because we talk about how we've developed our training from not having a clue what we were doing being on a treadmill, jumping off a treadmill, jumping back on like most random training for obstacle course racing. How did you, how did you develop your training at the beginning? Was you doing it all yours, all by yourself?
Speaker 3:yeah, I started like, first of all, I started doing a lot more running. But I would say, like I've done, I've tried a lot of different training styles to get where I am today, I would say, and it's been like some failures and I've learned from all the mistakes I've made. So I try to be be happy about the mistakes too, because it's not been a straight road. I think you you know this too.
Speaker 3:Like you, you try different, uh, you get into more running and maybe in the end it was like too much running and you lose all your strength and you can't do the obstacles and then you get like sounds awfully familiar like, and then you have to do, uh, trying to like to find the balance is like the key, uh, to be really good at obstacle running, like you have to be good at obstacles and you have to be a good runner and like to find that balance. It's taken a long time and I like finally think that I'm on my way to to to find it so I thought that, and then now I just keep getting injured.
Speaker 2:I finally found the secret sauce, and now I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna chuck something else in there, because I think we talk about this as well. Balancing training is something that we try to strive towards, but the thing is Ships you had this as a question as well the balancing courses is forever changing, so the actual demand of a course changes every year. So, therefore, your training needs to adapt for the demand, but then you don't know what the demand is for the following year. So actually so, but and we've, we've found that it's balancing out now a little bit, I feel, the courses. But how, how did you, how did you adapt your training?
Speaker 3:because 20 from 2014 to now, like the sport, has changed so much yeah, um, yeah, like my training changed quite a lot when I started in the army and doing the military. Um yeah, doing my military training and actually getting into military pentathlon gave me a very like structural training program and when it turned out that like I could make it to the national team in military pentathlon, I got some help from coaches and the focus in military pentathlon, I would say, is a lot of on running and since we have a really like easy course with not like the, the obstacles are not technical but they're like the really really hard thing in military obstacle course is to make everything fluid and you count every step. You know exactly which foot you put like, gonna put on like the forward obstacle, which arm is going where, which foot is going. So you have everything in the like muscle memory from running it so many times because it's always the same. So, and like the lactate acid for doing like a 500 meter all out obstacle course is also like the.
Speaker 3:I've never felt that much like lactate in my body for doing anything else than obstacle running, military obstacle course. So I think from the military pentathlon I got the structure for training, but the focus was a week on running, yeah, and then on top of that we have four other disciplines, so we also have to do a lot of swimming and shooting and throwing. Oh wow, yeah, so I I'm used to doing a lot of hours, but, like military, pendulum also got me a lot of injuries yeah, so imagine yeah, so uh.
Speaker 3:But what I like take with me from from military obstacle running is the flow, like I heard you say that before and that's like I love when they make a course where you could have the flow.
Speaker 3:And I usually say when someone talks about making the obstacle course and I'm scared that we made it too easy, I I always say like anything is gonna be hard if you, if you run hard enough, like up over under obstacle is gonna be tough if you like doing it all out, uh.
Speaker 3:So I think that's like a really like we took trophy, for example. I think they made the course really really good with um, the flow that you get, like you can go really hard in the running, but you it also makes it possible when you have a little running space between the obstacles, to like um, recover a bit and you can go like you don't have to stand before the obstacle and shake out beforehand, so you just go when straight into it. So that's something I really really like and take with me from the the military to call that. I always, I never want to stand in front of the obstacles and lose time, I just want to go in and go out. So I think that's like a good thing that I take with me from training for military obstacle course. But, as you say, it changed so much you have to change the training with it and sometimes like for some of this uh big competition that we're going to, we don't even know the course until a few months before.
Speaker 2:Uh yeah so it's it's also very, very difficult yeah, then we're rushing around with that rule book trying to figure out exactly what we're doing yeah exactly. You talk about flow and we talk about that as like obstacle proficiency and having the ability to flow and easily smoothly get through obstacles. But that's something that's learned from like a coach, like a specific obstacle racing coach. Do you have those in sweden?
Speaker 3:then, if you're going, uh yeah, for for a military obstacle course what?
Speaker 2:what about for for, like the general, like ocr? Because, because we're like a bit of a background on the uk, we have training centers scattered throughout the uk where we have specific um accredited obstacle course racing coaches, which is super because it means that people can just turn up and get the skills, but I don't know what the setup is is if it's similar or not yeah, for, uh, I think there are obstacle course coaches in Sweden, but maybe not that much.
Speaker 3:I think like it's much more common that you may be training a group and you'll help each other, I would say um so it's more of a community sort of style of training then.
Speaker 1:So you're all doing obstacle, I guess, how? How big is the community then? Is it quite, quite close knit then? Quite close together, I think?
Speaker 3:the, the elite part, is really really close together in sweden and often when we go to races and you can try the course beforehand, we help each other out and try to find like different techniques that works for different people. But for for us that's like in my training group or my track and field club. We don't have a specific um obstacle trainer but we have like help with strength training and running, but not not really with the obstacle part you have training centers where you train on the obstacles much yeah, we have a few.
Speaker 3:The most common, I would say, in Sweden is not a training centre, it's more having an obstacle course somewhere on a field yeah, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, james, james, our um head of ocr in the uk, he's been over to sweden. I'm pretty sure he said that, like, just on your like parks and things, you've got like places where you can do monkey bars and you've got like lots of things where you can do pull-ups, and it's just like I think the general open area is more accessible.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, that's like more what it's like in sweden, and we have a few of like. Almost every major city has, uh has, some kind of obstacle course that you can go to, and often it's like oh, you can pay a small fee if you want to run here or many places. You can also run for free, like Toshela, where Tosh Trophy is gonna go. They have their course out all year round and you can always train there if you, if you want to come that's amazing.
Speaker 2:We definitely, definitely don't have that in the UK. We have to go to specific training venues where someone has put their like life earnings into creating it. Yeah, um, yeah, it's, it's strange, it's very different. I'm assuming that would change slightly when we become accredited as a federation.
Speaker 3:And I think maybe it's also because how Sweden looks here with a lot of free space outside, because I also think it's really cool for us when we come to different parts of, if you go to UK or Europe where you can try, when you can go to these facilities that we don't have.
Speaker 1:that's like you described someone build build up in their like in a facility inside, but it's it doesn't like simulate the races as much as I would say the the swedish ones yeah, it does here so so so I I'm quite lucky I get to train at a place where it is actually a race yeah so throughout the year it's um, they have half of it and I'm quite lucky to just use it whenever I like and it is it is a race. So I get quite a good area to train, and you guys do as well, because they have a training facility that puts on small races, a lot smaller than a normal big race, but but we can simulate races really well over here.
Speaker 2:Cool yes.
Speaker 3:Is the race inside or is it outside? It's always outside. No, it's never inside.
Speaker 1:We're not high rocks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly I was about to say that, yeah, this isn't the high rocks episode. Oh, I'm glad we actually this weekend we have the start of what is a 3K series we've got going in the UK and it's based on most training centres around the UK are putting three-kilometre course on and we're going to do a series throughout the year. So there's going to be a league table and, yeah, it's really exciting, we're a sponsor. Yeah, we're going to do a series throughout the year, so there's going to be a league table and it's, yeah, it's really exciting because we're we're a sponsor, yeah, we're sponsoring it, yeah yeah
Speaker 4:we're sponsors and going to be winners aren't we, though, although that course does go inside what oh a little bit into like a barn because when you say like training facilities, I in my head it's like something that's inside.
Speaker 3:But no.
Speaker 4:So some of the facilities are inside, so like rum so rumble, where me and darren trains. They have an inside bit and an outside bit, so you do, especially in the winter, you can do some training inside, more grip work, and then in the summer it's nice because you can go outside and actually feel like you're running the course yeah yeah, outside, no, hardly inside, although I do.
Speaker 2:I do fancy doing the high rocks, but we we've keep that off the episode. You need to be outside.
Speaker 1:Do you know why you need to be outside?
Speaker 2:oh, is this science?
Speaker 1:I'm gonna give you some science okay, go on then the body needs infrared light, right, and if you're outside, you're gonna get the most infrared that you get. And if you're in places of greenery the trees and the leaves and that they soak up all the infrared light, and then when you're in the woodlands and that it goes back on you getting more infrared, there you go.
Speaker 2:That's why we all need to be outside siri, we, we always wait for one of these, uh monologues from shipley. Every episode he's got. He reads a lot of books, uh, he's our. He's our resident sorry, he tries to read a lot of books.
Speaker 1:I just look at pictures, yeah.
Speaker 2:Siri, I suppose we talked about the training and everything. How do you stay accountable to your training Because you've been someone that's been in the game for a long time, like, obviously we're not old yet we'll get, obviously we're gonna, we're in our prime, but you, you've been staying accountable towards your training for a long time in obstacle course racing. Why haven't you got bored of it yet?
Speaker 3:yeah, I think like actually military pentathlon is a part of that, because I was really, really serious about military pentathlon, uh, for maybe eight years, so from 2016 to 2023, I don't know, not seven years. I actually only did OCR on the side then. So my main main goal was really military pentathlon and I was competing for the national team and we had 2023. 2023, we had like the, my main goal was the world championship that was in sweden actually, so we had like on the whole home, home, home advantage.
Speaker 3:Yeah, home championships, so, but it also during this period I was very injured in my Achilles but I kept running and doing the military pendulums anyway. But after doing my biggest goal it went really really well. It went really really well and I ended up winning the world championship in Sweden in military pentathlon. But after that I really felt kind of empty. I didn't want to push my, my injuries anymore. So I felt I had a few years now when I were like really I didn't know, like do you have, do I have to quit, or what do I do? Like I run with the with this injuries anymore. So I did start to do it, more OCR and not so much pentathlon. And actually I decided this year that it was like my last I have I'm not going back to military now.
Speaker 3:I wanted to go try to do all out with the OCR again oh cool yeah, so I didn't know if my Achilles would heal, but I started doing a lot more biking and changing up my training, doing more strength training and obstacle course training and like course training and like this versatility yeah yeah, made it possible for, I think, for my body to heal and I'm running pain-free for the first time in eight years and it feels wow yeah, yeah, and it also made me I feel a lot stronger.
Speaker 3:Um, because I I'm not only. I'm not running so much anymore, I'm doing much more of everything. And it turns out I've done two races this year and it feels really, really good. So I'm starting to have to get my hopes up again that maybe it will. Uh, maybe I don't have to quit yet.
Speaker 2:I have a few more years in me you never quit the way we will never quit. Keep going forever, I think yeah exactly. Um, that's that. So we've caught you at a really cool point in in maybe like your mindset towards ocr, then, like you're, you're going full into obstacle course racing yeah, yes, you're I.
Speaker 3:I can really like feel the change, like when you made. You know, when you finally make a decision that maybe you don't want to, I don't want to quit pentathlon, but I feel like I really, really have to do something else for the sake of my body and like all the injuries, because when you do the, the military obstacle race like you do the same movement and very repetitive yeah very repetitive and the landings are so hard.
Speaker 3:Uh, on that obstacle course, and you're doing them over and, over and over again on all the trainings and also, like um put a lot of of um, yeah, the training is um much more in there for the body yeah, yeah, like you do the same obstacle course all the time and I think yeah I have the same problem because my job's very repetitive so I want to give that up so I could do more obstacle racing.
Speaker 1:But it's the same, because you're always doing the same thing over and over again. You get the same the injuries you can't get rid of, because those repetitive injuries, repetitive things that you're doing is what's going on, those obstacles, those parts that hurt, that messed out. I thought you was going to say they repeat, but yeah they repeat on you repetitive injuries repeat like a bear, it's like a bad curry so that's actually really cool.
Speaker 2:Then we you're going to go straight, you're you're going into obstacle course racing, which is is awesome. But I actually saw something you said on your instagram. Um, that relates to everything that we we try to do as well about making sure that you, if you're not the fastest, if you're the fastest person in the room, you need to change the room you're in and I, I love that so much. And mo, you can relate loads because most recently moved and we've talked around that. Mo, you can relate loads because Mo's recently moved and we've talked around that. Mo was one of the well, was the fastest person at Rumble, and now you've moved to up north, that you're racing with people like phenomenal runners, haven't you?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I've shifted my training to run with some runners rather than just like OCR athletes, and obviously they're all very quick because they're runners and we think we're quite quick as obstacle athletes. But these guys are like really quick and but it's made me want to well, it's made my running improve so much just being around them, just because I'm learning off them and learning how they train and what they're doing to recover as well, mainly because running is very repetitive also.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, learning how to run better. And Mo, I was going to ask Siri, the thing is that now you're changing the room, are you going to find a room that's faster in obstacle course racing than military pentathlon, is it? Yeah, are you going to have have this? Is the community there is OCR going to be just focusing on OCR going to make you quicker then?
Speaker 3:um, I don't know. I'm just thinking about how?
Speaker 1:he's questioning that. Sorry, sorry.
Speaker 3:I really really like that saying and I think it's like something that I use for everything Like if you for work or for training, something different, if you're the best in what you do, you need to find someone that's better so you can learn more and develop and get better.
Speaker 3:And I think if I would just run a flat 5k race right now, I wouldn't be as fast as I was when I did military pentathlon, because then I had to like, one of the disciplines in military pentathlon is 4k cross-country race, so that's what you finish with every, every competition. But I feel like if you would put me on an uh, like a spartan race or an obstacle course race right now, I would beat that person that was really, really good at pentathlon right now. So in that case I I think I can get, I can. I have a lot more also to develop. But I look to the athletes that I know is the best in Sweden or, and I know I can see how they train and how they do the training, and I can bring a lot from military pentathlon as well, and I think this combined can can help me.
Speaker 1:Um, do, do well, yes do you have a goal then for this year? Have you set yourself an OCR goal? Have you, or is that just for yourself?
Speaker 3:I can like. I just like going from being really injured and not really knowing if you're gonna come back and be able to be in this level again. I didn't really dare to dream until like a few months ago. I would say Like now, when I know I can do a lot of running I don't do as much as running as before, but it's a decent amount and I'm running everything pain-free and I also start to feel like doing a few competitions this year that wow, I'm feeling really, really great and it's only like the beginning of the season. I'm doing a lot of volume training right now, so I'm not like in a peak in any way, but it feels really good. So I've started to like let myself put up goals again and that also helps you with the training. Like you know, every time you're you're doing a tough workout, you can always like think about those goals and you keep pushing and get through it. So, yeah, but I hope, are you coming to to sweden for the world championships?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, it should be yeah uh, yeah, so, but but that's like one of the the big, the big things that I see in my head now when I train and uh and try to motivate, motivate, motivate what other races have you got on your calendar that are going to push you along to that goal?
Speaker 3:also the European Championship in Portugal, and then we have the Nordic Championship and the Swedish Championship at the same time on the trophy. And except from those three really big goals, there's also races that I'd really really love for the fun also.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Those there are. So we have a really good race that's called the Optical Run here in sweden. So I want to do that one, and also I want to go back to toughest, like where it all began. I want to do that again.
Speaker 2:So that's all like fun goals for this year so toughest lost their um, uh like media that you haven't seen much of them um, and especially their their um. Elite sort of class is kind of like gone a little bit as well. But I suppose if it's for the fun then yeah, it's still a really good race yeah, and that's as it's.
Speaker 3:exactly as you say. They they're like, I think, off after the corona epidemic. They really took a hard hit after that and as many races did, so they haven't really recovered, I think, but they still have a really really fun course with a lot of the same obstacles that they had before had before. But, as you say, maybe the, the elite field, isn't what it was and, like the, the hype about it isn't the same, but I I still miss them yeah, it's it as the ships is gonna say.
Speaker 2:If you was going to invite siri to any race in the uk, because obviously tours trophy we know is an awesome race, what race in the uk would you?
Speaker 1:you know which race I'd invite siri to what one?
Speaker 2:what was? This, it would be the nuts challenge yeah, yeah, I thought he's gonna go with like storm or something like that oh no, yeah, sorry, I thought you meant well, storm should be a good one.
Speaker 1:But yeah, no, I would invite to nuts challenge. It's a good course.
Speaker 2:Nuts challenge is like your, your mud, your proper english obstacle course race. Yeah, yeah, it's really in and out of streams some.
Speaker 4:There's a lot of technical obstacles now, but it is very muddy is this one of, like your guys, favorite races yeah, I'd actually say yeah, my favorite yeah it's where I kind of started my ocr journey so I think for me it's similar to what you said about toughest.
Speaker 1:I always go back just for like the nostalgia of yeah kind of the race it's got fond memories in it, yeah john alban started there as well, so it's also quite nice.
Speaker 2:Nice, it's got a good name to it, said all the great winners. Chips Mo. What else did you want to ask Siri?
Speaker 1:What else do you do for fun, if it's not obstacle racing?
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 1:Are you like us, are you like?
Speaker 3:I would say like I'm really like my, my biggest interest is really like training and all kinds of training. But I also I have two, um, two kids, two girls. Oh wow, two twins. So when I have they, they live full time with their father, but I have them every other weekend, so then I like to spend some some time with them when I can. Otherwise I like cooking, so that's like I don't. Yeah, I like to cook and I like to spend time with my girls, and otherwise I like think and live and do training definitely, definitely sounds like all of us yeah I like eating yeah, you do yeah, I like eating I don't like cooking.
Speaker 1:I don't like the mess.
Speaker 3:Me neither, but If you cook for someone else, they can do the clean up.
Speaker 1:That's where I'm going wrong, because I'm always doing the eating and the cleaning up. Yeah.
Speaker 4:That's my problem.
Speaker 2:And then I'm told to clean yeah sir, is there anything in sweden like like this sort of podcast, like for obstacle course racing? Is there any sort of media?
Speaker 3:I wouldn't say that I know. No, I don't think so, because it feels like, if there was, I would know yeah, beyond it yeah no, so I don't think so actually, um, but it maybe it should be where do you get most of your media information from then with ocr?
Speaker 1:do you get it from what they had in the state with like um race brain and um orm and and things like that, or do? Where does the information come from in sweden about everything?
Speaker 3:mostly instagram, I would say, or like facebook groups. We have facebook groups for like ocrs in sweden, um, and most of the races make their their commercials on Instagram or through athletes that they can pay your ticket if you put out that you're going to this race, so that's. Do you have more like these kinds of of um a podcast? Is there more?
Speaker 2:in the uk it's quite a lot in the uk actually yeah, I'm on most of them yeah, we well, we have this one which has only been going.
Speaker 2:Well, we've been going for nearly two years, but there is, there is. We have uk ocr, which is our community. They were a community on facebook, similar to your communities, but they started a podcast. I can't remember when they started that years ago, quite a while ago. Yeah, it must have been like five years ago. They started their podcast and they do a weekly news roundup of every week so that you can actually get a bit of like update on like, what's happened here, what new races here, what new obstacles are coming out. Yeah, and it's really they put, yeah, they put a lot of time and they have spin-off shows as well.
Speaker 1:From that they have, like um, our juniors have a podcast which basically focuses on the junior athletes, and that's really really good. Um, and then we have a adaptive athlete podcast, that they bring out a podcast for the adaptive athletes, and then they have a who's hot show, which is probably the best one out of the three, and they just talk about, like, what the races are going to be coming up. Yeah, that's a really good one we, we, yeah you.
Speaker 2:Just because you're on it, ships, that's we. We had the I. We all love the who's hot spot podcast and what that does series. Basically, a week out before a important race, shipley will go on and start naming people who's who he thinks gonna win and then everyone's, everyone's listening to it because they want their, their uh, shout out, they want their name to be said. Yeah, he never says our names, ever.
Speaker 4:We're the most hated on the podcast yeah.
Speaker 1:I know Well, you know.
Speaker 3:That sounds fun though.
Speaker 1:It is fun.
Speaker 3:Will you do the what's Hot for any of the Swedish races?
Speaker 2:I hope so. Yeah, you could, couldn't you ships.
Speaker 3:You could do an international yeah yeah, you're going to the tough viking in april, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be there do it for that one yeah, we're just. We just need a guest like yourself on to help us with names and the people, because we know we know, like um. A guest like yourself on to help us with names and the people, because we know we know, like um. Yeah, we know some names from sweden, but not everyone. We don't know who's the, uh, who could be. You know an unheard of name that could be amazing, coming in the underdogs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, a few good ones that I can try to get to your podcast if you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely. Well, Moe Ships, do you want to go on to the most important part?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Before we do Siri, is there anything you want to know from us, from OCR, or if it's UK-based anything?
Speaker 3:I have a lot of questions we have to do another episode we need to do spin-offs where I can ask you all the questions that I want to know absolutely yeah we start franchising, shall we we start putting accountability corner Sweden? Like my. My first question is is there a possibility to get you to come to to his trophy?
Speaker 1:there's a possibility we've been asked already, um, to come, I think, when what's the date for that? July isn't it, is it july, july, july is a problem for me because he's getting married, because I'm getting married, yeah so what's the?
Speaker 4:what is the actual day, though? Is it after the wedding or before?
Speaker 2:I don't know when Tour's trophy is what's the day date date well, when's your wedding?
Speaker 3:sorry, I can check, but my picture might be frozen now it's okay, I can get down to check, he's got good Wi-Fi okay, good, tour's trophy.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's actually the it says the first to the third of August is that? Right, yeah, I think so that's not July oh, that's definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's possible. If not, we'll send our we'll me, and ships can send Mo out there directly send Mo out there, send Mo to the crew. He's younger than us and he'll do better.
Speaker 3:We will take good care of him. We will help him with everything he needs.
Speaker 2:Mo, you go out there yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've just looked, I've got that weekend free there you go, done You're in. I'm in.
Speaker 3:We'll get that sorted, sorted tell me his details and he will get the tickets we, we definitely do a spin-off theory, and you can ask us loads of questions good yeah but?
Speaker 2:but we do actually do something with every guest that comes on to accountability corner and mo mo leads the way on this one, so he's going to share something on screen that all listeners know that we produce and we can talk through it so give me yeah, give me a second.
Speaker 4:All right, do you want me to?
Speaker 2:fill, fill, fill in the space you know this is gone sometimes yeah, so we have. We have a like top trump's card or a trading card we like to produce for every guest that comes onto the episode. So it's kind of like an obstacle course racing stats card. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, wow.
Speaker 4:I don't know. Can you see that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can see it. I can see it, Moe did the main number change?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Can you see that?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can see it. We're going to talk through it. So this is your obstacle racing stat card, your top trump.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 4:Do you have this sort of thing in Sweden?
Speaker 3:No, but we definitely need to start this. We're holding all the cards.
Speaker 1:Start we're holding all the cards.
Speaker 4:We're doing all the athletes in the world this is amazing guys, yeah, okay so we're gonna talk through your stats now and obviously we've only seen you from racing um international races or just like seeing you on toughest and things like that. So feel free to correct us because we don't know everything about you, but we're going to go through. So your first rating is your speed rating. So we've got you at an 86. Now our ratings are out of 100, um so 100. So 100 being like Usain Bolt level speed and one being a snail.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's me.
Speaker 4:Yes, and one being Shipley, so we've got you at an 86. Now again, feel free. If you want to debate any of these, you can, but how do you feel about that?
Speaker 3:But how do you feel about that? Like, I feel like that's pretty much. I would say that's good. I'm happy about that, ray, I think I like it. I like it.
Speaker 1:It's great, because you obviously haven't seen any of the other cards that we got so you have got no idea what we've compared.
Speaker 2:Have no idea you can compare yourself against leon as well in the uh yeah, what did? What did leon get? Oh, I'll, I'll look at that up, when it was only a very little card.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly so Leon, for his speed he got 92. 92.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I would say I'm a bit slower than him, so 86 is good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Now we're going to move on to your best stat on the card. So, 91 is your agility Now. Now, obviously with your um pentathlon background, and you on that obstacle course. We've seen the videos on instagram and we're impressed. Very agile moves well. Flow was a good word to describe it. Lots of flow.
Speaker 2:It was the crawling that that got me when I, when I argued um the point of putting that up a little bit more, the agility it was when I saw the crawling, like never seen someone's crawl so quickly yeah, sometimes it's uh, it's really fun when you do like.
Speaker 3:This crawling technique is so like in the muscle memory, so when you're doing a crawling it can look, but it takes a lot of energy to do it but it goes really really fast and a lot faster than rolling this rolling technique going under all the ropes.
Speaker 4:My question is have you ever done that under barbed wire?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've tried, tried and it ended badly because I was thinking about trying it and then I thought actually that looks like it could be quite painful yeah, I tried to do it now in spain for the spartan race and some some, some wires were high enough that you can do it and then it. It goes really fast. But then I learned also that it's it's good to do the rolling technique when it's very low yeah, yeah good, okay, so we're gonna move on to your next stat then.
Speaker 4:So your next one is your compromised running, so your ability to run um after obstacles or under duress, and again we've got you quite high. So we've got you on an 88.
Speaker 3:We think that obviously, again with your background and doing the military obstacle stuff, yeah this is something you're quite good at yeah, this is thing, this is something I really like also, like, when I think about obstacle, I think about go like the speed into the obstacle, then going through the obstacle and then speed out of the obstacle. So I, I, I think about this, uh, like the, the mantra, doing the race, like in through and out, and also like never not trying to slow down even if you're tired, like if you have some, some running space between the obstacles, you, you get.
Speaker 2:You often, you often can get quite okay again until the next yeah, we shipley does something which I've coined as the shipley shuffle, even when he's tired it's. I actually like it. Even when you're tired, ships you're, you're you kind of like shuffle into the obstacle so you're keeping on your toes and then you're on your toes out, because then your body just never feels like it's slowing down, it's just constant movement. And I do like that. I don't know if it's just how you run ships or I just think it's a little shuffle, it's because it's because I like to be like a uh, a stream flowing through the obstacle okay yeah, all right, move on quick man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's get out of this one um.
Speaker 4:So the next one is your endurance. Now we've got this at an 84. I'm not going to lie, I wasn't too sure on this one. I didn't know what your endurance was like. Have you done any ultra racing or anything like that before?
Speaker 3:Not really ultra. I've done a really long time ago a 24-hour race. But I would say my endurance have gone up a lot this year, like with a good good, um good half year with like a lot of endurance training and base training. So I'm I'm happy with 84 and it's definitely never been this good as it's now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so that might go up next time we do this maybe. I hope so so, uh, power again. We've gone for an 84, so again we could probably probably argue this could be a little bit higher Explain power.
Speaker 3:What's the power Like? When do you use this so?
Speaker 4:we're thinking more for like obstacles where you have to like pull yourself up really hard and explosively, or kind of obstacles where you're moving through, but more in like a bent-armed position and kind of just grab it and like strong arming everything yeah this.
Speaker 3:I would definitely have this as one of my my things that I need to work on. So, uh, this kind of technique, when you have to do obstacles on bent arms, usually that's like when I feel like, okay, I really need to to push this level up a bit, because I'm used to doing things straight arm or using a lot of, like, the entire body, so this is something I want to work on that's good, that's, that's the beauty of these cards.
Speaker 1:You can keep these cards and you can look at them.
Speaker 4:And just a little slight reminder of what you need to work on throughout the year yeah, perfect uh, so your technical ability, your technical ability obstacles now we've gone 87 um, I think your actual technical ability on technical obstacles is very good. Again, this is all through stalking you on instagram, so it's not you can tell me otherwise, but uh, from what I've seen, you're quite good technically um, yeah, I yeah, I think.
Speaker 3:Uh, I'm not the strongest one, but I know what to do with my body, so that's a good like from from, I think, from wrestling also, and from from military obstacle course, if you're a wrestler, you must have good techniques. That's a very technical sport so you like you know what, what, how to move your body. Yeah, I guess that's how you like, like you know, often you can just watch someone and you can try to mimic that and your body knows what to do.
Speaker 2:when you have thought it through, yeah, are you saying that 87 is good, then Are you happy with 87?
Speaker 3:I'm happy.
Speaker 2:Okay, good.
Speaker 3:I didn't know whether you. I thought I would get a one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't know whether you were arguing for an 88 there, but I'm not sure anyone's got that high. Leon's got.
Speaker 4:Leon's. This was his highest stat. So, he got a 98 and.
Speaker 3:I get that he is really technical, so when I get to his level I will be really, really happy so you're not far off, you're nearly there.
Speaker 4:I'm going to show him this card yeah, show him and compare it. Compare each other's cards and see where you're better than him yeah that's your strength. We've got you at 84. So this is things like carries, um, like tire flips at the stones, anything where we're kind of using our strength. Um, again, we've got this on 84.
Speaker 3:You could probably argue maybe a little bit higher, but I I'm not gonna argue with you I think that, like from Instagram, you have done a really good job and this is also like one of the the maybe the part where I can train more uh, carrying stuff and also running with them, not just walking with these heavy things. Watching Ida Matilde, for example, her strength is amazing. Yeah, she I'm very like. I think for my maybe, for my weight, I'm strong, but I need like to be really, really good at obstacle course or OCR more. I would want to put these stats up a little bit higher, but I think I need to train for it. It's not going to come easy.
Speaker 4:You got to earn it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, that's up a little bit higher but I think I need to train for it. It's not going to come easy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. No, we always say that. Um, I think if you're in the 90s, then you're going to be like you're you're very much at the top of the game. So I think, putting you close to the 90s, I think, siri, it's going to be good for you this year. It's going to we're going to chat again in like after the Euros and you're going to be a little 94 it's gonna be awesome my time when I want to do my question for you guys yeah, we'll switch roles.
Speaker 4:We'll do an episode where we switch roles. Yeah, I'll start. I'll start making my, my instagram.
Speaker 2:Look really strong agility, compromise running.
Speaker 3:Yeah'm going to make you all a car yeah so your last one.
Speaker 4:So this is your special ability, so this number doesn't is not included in your overall, but it's always 100 because it's the best it can be. And I've noticed the thing that you're very good at is backflips, you seem to be backflips into the water.
Speaker 3:That is seem to be a bit of a skill of yours, so that is a special ability unless you think there's anything else that we don't know about that you feel is a very special ability well, I love I wouldn't say I'm good at backflips, but I love to do backflips, so I'm really happy that that's my like 100 stat um, I, I and I think it's, uh, it's a good pick. I, I, I can do some other thing like, uh, one wheel bike oh, yeah, that is a special that's pretty special.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is you know the, the best person in the sport can do. You know who's who that um ryan atkins came from. That, didn't he have?
Speaker 1:you ever heard of a guy called ed pratt? I don't recognize the name so he unicycled around the world. I'm not that in his level, but it's really cool. So I love Ed Pratt. Big shout out to Ed Pratt, who doesn't listen to this podcast.
Speaker 4:I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 1:You should check him out on YouTube.
Speaker 2:Amazing, he's reading again just to put it in um we most, most special ability is punctuation. Yep, not punctuate uh, yeah, and then punctuation um, what's yours ships? Yours was cats. Wasn't it that he loves cats? It should have been science but science, yeah, we'll change that soon. Yeah yeah yeah, and, and leon's was obviously instagram okay, yeah, and yours oh uh, mine's um organization project manager managing people. It's a bit boring, to be fair. I'd like something a bit more exciting than that it kind of sums up him, yeah, because he is boring thanks, welcome yeah, so that.
Speaker 4:But I think backflips could be one of our cooler stats as well. So you're definitely up there with one of the best special abilities I think we've had on.
Speaker 3:Normally they're nothing to do with ocr, so yeah, that's actually OCR-y oh yeah, if, uh, if I do a fun run and there will be like a high jump into the water that I can use that, that stat actually. So, yeah, I'm very, very happy.
Speaker 4:Thank you, mo so that is your card complete are. Are you happy with everything? Sure, is there anything you want to change, or you?
Speaker 3:I'm actually I'm I'm very happy and honored to be on this card.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there is a very select few of people that have cards. So yeah, welcome to the club.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll one day probably print them all out and have them as a deck of cards for everyone to compare against.
Speaker 3:So cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that brings us like to everything. Really, siri, thank you so much for coming on thing. Really, siri, thank you so much for coming on. Um, I suppose to probably end, this is like where can people find you and where people? We said some races, people are going to see you next and, yeah, I can't wait to see you race I will see you in april when you come to tough viking, so that will be fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, where are we staying?
Speaker 2:darren, it's called the comfort hotel.
Speaker 3:I think very comfortable yeah, hopefully otherwise I do most posts from like races and training and everything on instagram or strava you should join our Strava club, our accountability corner Strava club. No, because we'll be winning it that would be really cool, it's just so everyone can stay accountable with their training.
Speaker 1:Join it, it would be really good fun, yeah, join it otherwise it's the competitions.
Speaker 3:I talked about Portugal, portugal and the two trophy and a few Swedish races, and and then the biggest happening this year, the world championships in Göteborg.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we can't wait we'll be in Lisbon as well, so we will see you there.
Speaker 1:You're kind of getting the picture that we are obsessed with this sport don't forget to come to the accountability corner, portugal party that we throw, do we? Yeah, because we have the party people, siri we are.
Speaker 2:We have started to host the after party for the uk, and we'd like to get other people there as well, so yeah, you may have heard the one, that darren organ, well sorted out for the world championship at center parks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was good fun like after doing a tough weekend with a lot of races, there's no better way of ending it and then doing a party so I will be yeah, team team uk represented there.
Speaker 2:Yeah it was hard doing it in um when we were in italy, because that town was very quiet. Oh, it was so quiet.
Speaker 4:We still made it work, though we did make it work.
Speaker 1:We made that little Kindle in a real big bonfire.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for coming on. Honestly, it's a pleasure to have you on the podcast. We are trying to get as many like more people on the podcast to spread the word Like it's. It's so strange because in, like we say in in the uk, there's loads of different podcasts and media out there and it's weird to hear that obviously in other countries there isn't that, and so hopefully we can help other countries like with a bit more information on obstacle course racing yeah, and I think you're so overdue being asked to come on the podcast.
Speaker 1:I did. I did say to the guys that I'm surprised no one else has had you on before, so thank you for having me.
Speaker 3:Guys, it's been very fun to talk to you and uh, it will be very fun to meet you in uh quite soon, yeah yeah we'll be there thank
Speaker 2:you so much for the jumpers yeah, we've got merch Cool. No, thank you so much, siri, and we will see you at Tough Viking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and at Strava Club.
Speaker 1:Yeah, accountability Corner, all right.
Speaker 3:See you guys.
Speaker 1:See you later.
Speaker 2:Thank you, bye.
Speaker 1:Bye-bye.
