Why Fibromyalgia Isn’t in Your Head: The Science That Changes Everything with Dr. Bruce Gillis

For decades, fibromyalgia patients were told their pain was “all in their head.” Dr. Bruce Gillis, Harvard-trained physician and researcher, has changed that narrative with the first blood test to prove fibromyalgia is real.

What if the condition you’ve struggled with for years - pain, fatigue, brain fog - wasn’t imaginary, but instead rooted in your immune system? That’s the groundbreaking discovery Dr. Bruce Gillis brings to light in this episode of Raise the Script with Nutrigenomics.

Dr. Gillis developed the FM/a® Test, the first diagnostic blood test for fibromyalgia, providing biological validation for millions of patients who had been dismissed or misdiagnosed. He reveals how fibromyalgia is not a syndrome, but an immune deficiency disease with measurable DNA and immune system abnormalities.

Together, we explore why fibromyalgia has been stigmatized for decades, how pharmaceutical and economic interests have slowed recognition, and what this breakthrough means for other conditions like long COVID and interstitial cystitis. If you’ve ever felt unheard by the medical system, this conversation offers hope, science, and a new path forward.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why fibromyalgia is a legitimate biological disease, not “all in your head”
• How the FM/a® Test detects fibromyalgia through immune system markers
• The connection between fibromyalgia, long COVID, and interstitial cystitis
• How gender bias and stigma have shaped the experience of invisible illness
• The future of diagnostics and targeted immune-based therapies for chronic pain

Resources & Links Mentioned:

• Learn more about the FM/a® Test: FM1Test.com
• Explore the immune-supporting compound IMBXX: IMBXX.com
• Connect with Dr. Gillis: centerforimmunologyscience.com

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Chapters

• 0:00 Rethinking Pills And Personalization
• 2:13 Show Welcome And Mission
• 3:43 Introducing Dr. Bruce Gillis
• 4:34 The Stigma And History Of Fibromyalgia
• 8:38 Immune Abnormalities And The FM Test
• 12:02 Big Pharma Pushback And Validation
• 15:06 Ordering FM1Test And Access
• 16:22 From Diagnosis To Targeted Immune Support
• 18:58 Long COVID Overlap And Viral Triggers
• 21:35 Access, Research Invitations, And Cost
• 23:01 Economics Of Rule-Out vs Rule-In Testing
• 24:22 Microbiome, Gut–Brain Axis, And Med Confounders
• 26:26 Practical Next Steps For Patients
• 28:50 Future Breakthroughs And Related Conditions
• 31:16 Physician Resistance And Patient Advocacy
• 34:10 Safety Data And Compound Background
• 35:59 Closing Reflections And Calls To Action
• 37:50 Final Summary And Resources

Transcript

Dr. Tamar: 1:00

Medications certainly have their place, but what if there was a way to support your body naturally by working with your genetics?

Speaker 02: 1:09

We are a pill for an ill society. We take 18 pills per person per American per day.

Dr. Tamar: 1:15

It was so hard to find somebody who took my insurance. And for me to get well, it took thousands of dollars. And I thought, though, what do regular people do? This is not right.

Speaker 03: 1:24

Despite my best efforts, I wasn't actually reversing disease and helping people to heal in the way that I thought I would.

Dr. Tamar: 1:30

We want to empower yourselves to take care of this root cause. We don't just want to cover it up. If you're ready to break free from outdated, one-size-fits-all health care, you're in the right place. Welcome to Raise the Script with Nutrigenomics, brought to you by InHer Glow® by LYFE Balance. Here's a literature from we're all unique, right down to our DNA. So it's no wonder we respond differently to the same medications, foods, and environments. How do you discover what your body needs? Which medications, foods, supplements, or exercises are right for you? How can you manage chronic conditions without piling on more prescriptions? That's what we're here to explore. I'm your host, Dr. Tamar Lawful, Doctor of Pharmacy, Nutrigenomics Specialist, and your partner in reimagining how we personalize care for better outcomes. Whether you're a patient or a practitioner, let's raise the script and bring health care to higher levels together. Because the future of health is personal. Hey there, friends. Welcome back to Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics, where we explore the science, the stories, and the strategies that are reshaping health from the inside out. I'm your host, Dr. Tamar Lawful, Doctor of Pharmacy. Now, let me take you back a few decades. Imagine walking into a doctor's office with relentless pain, crushing fatigue, and brain fog so heavy you can barely think. Instead of health, you're told it's all in your head. That was the reality for millions of people, mostly women, who lived with what came to be called fibromyalgia. A name without a test, without answers, and loaded with stigma. But here's the truth: it was never all in their heads. Their bodies were sounding an alarm, medicine wasn't ready to hear. Fast forward to today. My guest, Dr. Bruce Gillis, is the Harvard-trained physician and researcher who proved it. He developed the world's first blood test for fibromyalgia, uncovering immune system abnormalities that explain the very real suffering behind this invisible illness. His work is rewriting the story, not just for fibromyalgia, but for chronic pain, long COVID, and other conditions medicine has struggled to understand. In our conversation today, you'll hear how he challenged the medical establishment, what the science actually shows, and why hope is finally on the horizon for patients who've been dismissed for far too long. This is an episode you don't want to miss, friend. So listen in. Dr. Gillis, thank you for joining me on Raise The Script with Nutrigenomics today. It's a pleasure to have you, and I'm looking forward to our conversation.

Dr. Gillis: 4:25

I want to thank you very much for having the opportunity to speak to you and your listeners about very important subjects.

Dr. Tamar: 4:34

Indeed. Now, Dr. Gillis, I'm curious to know what first drew you to the world of invisible illnesses like fibromyalgia, conditions that medicine historically overlooked, I could say.

Dr. Gillis: 4:45

Number one, uh they purposely overlooked it. But number two, I was approached more than 15 years ago by an insurance company who was concerned that they had sold long-term disability policies to people for a healthcare basis. And suddenly they were getting claims in from 20-year-olds and 30-year-olds saying they were permanently and totally disabled because of having fibromyalgia. And based upon that, I took on the challenge and with colleagues at the University of Illinois College of Medicine, we were able to identify that fibromyalgia is very much a real disease. It's not a syndrome, and it's the product of immune system abnormalities. You can identify those abnormalities through a simple blood test. And over time we have also learned that 100% of people who have a positive fibromyalgia blood test result have unique DNA genomic signatures. And therefore, if someone says fibromyalgia isn't real, it is tantamount to saying that DNA isn't real. And if that's so, we better let out all those murderers and other uh criminals in prison who were convicted based upon DNA evidence.

Dr. Tamar: 6:21

Well, that's interesting. And I'm looking forward to diving into that genetic aspect of fibromyalgia. Now, you mentioned that maybe intentionally, it's it's been overlooked intentionally. And I I want to go into that because fibromyalgia has carried so much stigma. Patients are told a stress, or worse, imagined, as you mentioned. Now, can we break down that history? Why has mainstream medicine been so resistant to recognizing fibromyalgia as a legitimate biological condition?

Dr. Gillis: 6:51

I think the first issue is sexism. They thought that fibromyalgia was only a disease that was experienced by women. And as we know, female gender-related diseases get short shrift in the not just in the United States, but in the world, right?

Dr. Tamar: 7:08

Right.

Dr. Gillis: 7:08

So that was number one. When I entered the field, I was told by many people, particularly physicians, that fibromyalgia was a bogus affliction of neurotic, hypochondriacal, hysterical women. When I met with fibromyalgia support groups, I was stunned. It was 99.9% women, and they would tell me stories that were beyond belief. They would go to the doctor, and the doctor would say, honey, that's the that was a common phrase, honey, it's all in your head. Your husband doesn't love you enough, maybe you don't have a good enough sex life, all sorts of terrible, biased comments. And I found that extraordinary and terribly insulting. As it turns out, we identified the fact through years of research that fibromyalgia is not gender-specific. It happens in men as often as in women, and it is not age-specific. I have seen people with fibromyalgia as young as age three and certainly into their 80s or 90s. So fibromyalgia does exist, and unfortunately, fibromyalgia is a totally made-up name. There is nothing wrong with the fibrous or connective tissue. There is nothing wrong with the myalgic or muscle tissue. The disease has nothing to do with that. But what happened is the stigma is actually worse than you can imagine. As it turns out, the level of suicide and suicidal ideation in fibromyalgia patients exceeds other illnesses, including mental depression. And the reason is, as you already pointed out accurately, doctors don't believe there's anything wrong with these people. Terrible. So you go to the doctor, they say, Well, we can't find anything wrong with you. It's a condition of exclusion. We test you for all sorts of other diseases, all those test results are negative, you must have fibromyalgia, and we have no way to quantify it or objectify it. Number two, you look perfectly normal. So your spouse, your friends and family say, there's something wrong with her in the head, right? It's all got to be, you know, an emotional issue. And number three, when you get the diagnosis until recently, there was no way to overcome the manifestations of the disease, the brain fog, the discomfort, the poor sleep, the negative emotional thoughts, the chronic fatigue. And unfortunately, despite all of the major discoveries and breakthroughs we have made, I'm still fighting an uphill battle. Part of that is because the FDA decided to approve an anti-seizure medicine and two antidepressant medications and said they were specified for fibromyalgia. But fibromyalgia doesn't cause seizures. Seizure disorders have nothing to do with fibromyalgia. And if you get fibromyalgia, you become depressed. But depression doesn't give you fibromyalgia. So those kinds of compounds mask the manifestations of the condition, but don't do anything with the actual pathology of the disease. And it is a disease. It is not a syndrome. A syndrome is defined as a collection of symptoms. A disease has objective manifestations. And our research has unequivocally proven those manifestations. And to this date, there has not been one physician, one scientist, one laboratory who has ever found a fault in the diagnostic test or in the pathways we have identified. But yet the criticism remains, and the fibroskepticism remains, and to me is astonishing.

Dr. Tamar: 11:04

It is.

Dr. Gillis: 11:42

What we found is that people with fibromyalgia have a form of a defective white blood cell. You may know when you went to elementary school, you learned about red blood cells and white blood cells. And white blood cells circulate to protect you against infections and injuries and inflammation. We identified that a specific type of white blood cell called the peripheral blood mononuclear cell has a number of roles in your health. One of those roles is to produce important proteins. And patients with fibromyalgia have defective peripheral blood mononuclear cells, and as a result, they cannot produce normal quantities of four proteins. These proteins are called MIP1 alpha, MIP1 beta, IL6, and IL8. We originally did the research at the Department of Pathology at the University of Illinois, and we published the results. And at that time there was criticism primarily by physicians who were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by a very large drug company because our science proved that this drug company's product could do nothing to your immune system, could not impact or benefit your immune system. But they were selling their product at billions of dollars per year. And as you can understand, I don't have billions of dollars available to compete. In fact, one of the doctors who made a criticism on the internet, I contacted and I asked that person directly on what basis do you find a problem with the test? And he said to me, I haven't read your research, and I'm not exaggerating. That's the level of how big pharma can affect healthcare delivery in this country. That's number one. The criticism, though, that came up was well, you only did it in one laboratory. How do we know your test is accurate? It should be reproduced in a second laboratory. The University of Illinois College of Medicine and the Department of Pathology is highly ranked and has an important and valuable reputation. But despite the unfair criticism, we redid the test through at that time one of the world's foremost rheumatologists, a professor at UCLA, using his patients, using a different laboratory, and guess what? We reproduced the results spot on. So there is no basis to say that the test isn't accurate. And as I already mentioned, to date, the test has now been available for 12 years. No physician, no laboratory, no scientist has ever been able to say, oh, the test is inaccurate. It's never happened. It's never happened. And since then, we have done further important research and we proved that 100% of people who have a positive fibromyalgia blood test score have unique DNA genomic signatures, DNA patterns that don't exist in any other disease or in healthy people. And if you don't want to believe in my test, fine. But that's a tantamount to saying I don't want to believe in DNA. That's essentially what we're saying. So that's important. And as far as the test goes, for the vast majority of people, it costs them nothing because it's covered by health insurance. Medicare pays for it, TriCare pays for it, Blue Cross Blue Shield pays for it, private insurance companies pay for it. Certainly, if the test wasn't accurate and diagnostic, they wouldn't pay paying for it. So for most people, they pay nothing to get the test.

Dr. Tamar: 15:41

That's a great point. And it's been an uphill battle, but definitely one that's worth it. How can practitioners get a hold of the test? Is it easy to order? How does that work?

Dr. Gillis: 15:53

It's very easy to order. There's a new test, it's called FM1Test. You just go to FM1Test.com, you fill out the form. There is a form for your doctor to sign and return. We will then send a uh a referral so you can go to any Quest Lab clinic to have your blood drawn. We will get the blood back in uh 24 hours or less. You'll have your results several days later. And if your test is positive, at zero cost, you can volunteer for a 30-day supply of a compound that we developed that causes those defective white blood cells to increase their production of those proteins and therefore reduce and in many cases eliminate your symptoms. No money out of pocket, usually for the test, no money to try something that is 100% natural, 100% non-toxic, that can potentially change your life. The compound is called Imbix, IMBXX. There's a website called Imbix.com, and I recommend people read and watch the videos and the comments by people who have taken it. It's astonishing. People who have been afflicted for not years but decades saying that their condition has changed, that they don't have the symptoms they previously had.

Dr. Tamar: 17:23

Well, that's amazing. That's amazing, Dr. Gillis. Now, along the lines of those treatments, since we're on that topic, I know your team's exploring therapies that based on immune system deficiencies. So are you moving towards not just diagnosis but actual targeted treatment for these deficiencies?

Dr. Gillis: 17:40

So interestingly, uh uh I came across some research from the 1990s and early 2000s. There was a desire to get terminal cancer patients to respond better to anti-cancer drugs. And research was done by a variety of teams in Europe, and they came across the fact that there was a family of non-pathologic bacteria that seemed to help promote the immune system. Based upon that, I went ahead and tested seven of those bacterial families. We published our results, and by the way, everything I've done has been peer-reviewed and published, published in phenomenal journals often, such as Nature, which is, I think, the there's 30,000 medical journals, and I think this is number five, so you can understand the impact of the research we've achieved. And what we have been able to prove is that not only do we know the pathways regarding the immune system, in a study, a very small study we did on long COVID patients, we found that nearly nine out of ten people who develop long COVID also develop the same immune deficiencies that exist in fibromyalgia, which means that potentially a virus triggers all of this, that the process of developing those DNA genomic signatures could be triggered by a virus. And that's why it's not an age-specific disease. And the virus is in a family that are called coronaviruses, which are the leading cause of why you get a common cold. So it's easy to have this happen.

Dr. Tamar: 19:36

Wow, and thanks for bringing that point out because I was one of the questions I wanted to touch on with you was the long COVID connection, which you've brought out perfectly. Now, do you think that long COVID could be the condition that finally forces mainstream medicine to take fibromyalgia seriously?

Dr. Gillis: 19:55

Boy, I would hope that it is, but I also have to tell you that the federal government spent $1.5 billion looking for a test to diagnose long COVID. And I went to two of the centers that were using some of those dollars, one of which said to me, you know, long COVID patients seem to be the same as fibromyalgia patients. They have the same symptoms. And I said to them, I said, I'll tell you what, give me a hundred of your patients. You pick them, let me test them, and we'll do it for free. And they turned me down because I think they were afraid that I would come up with a diagnostic test that they didn't come up with, and it would somehow impact their reputation. So we did a small study, again through the University of Illinois College of Medicine, and it's an early study, and it's only early because I don't have enough patients that I want to test, but I invite anybody who is suspected to have long COVID to arrange for the blood test, and we have a sister compound for them to try, again at zero cost, to see if it can in any way change the symptoms that they are experiencing. I mean, so I'm doing this essentially for a patient. If you're afflicted, it's little to nothing out of pocket. What have you got to lose, right? And there are about 30 million people with long COVID, and I'm not sure where you're located, but I'm in California, and we're starting to see COVID infections at epidemic proportions, possibly because our government is trying to limit people from getting the COVID vaccine.

Dr. Tamar: 21:40

I'm in California as well, and I have come across some coworkers that have long COVID, and yeah, it's definitely something that needs to be addressed. So if someone's listening today and they are someone that feels that they may be able to be in your research, how would they get in touch with you?

Dr. Gillis: 22:00

All they need to do is they can email me. It's BSgm D at CIMSX.com. I'll repeat that.com. And they can register for the blood test. If they have insurance, we'll get verification for their insurance. We can arrange for them to have the blood test drawn. If the test is positive, if they want to volunteer for a 30-day supply of the compound to see if it impacts their symptoms, that's totally at no cost.

Dr. Tamar: 22:38

Okay, thank you for sharing that. Now, you've definitely been pushing the boundaries in medicine, and you've also collaborated with some of the biggest names in medicine, Stanford, Mayo Clinic, John Hopkins, and with big breakthroughs, often come big debates. What's been the most surprising or controversial finding your research hasn't covered?

Dr. Gillis: 22:57

It's uncovered the fact that there are economic forces who don't want to apply the science that we have been able to prove that we've had peer-reviewed and published. If you go to a physician and you are suspected to have fibromyalgia, nine times out of ten, the physician is going to put you through what are called rule-out tests, tests that they often can do in their office, and there's an economic benefit to do it in their office. And they will say, well, let's test you for rheumatoid arthritis or lupus or other strange diseases. In contrast, the FM1 test is a rule-in test. It says either you have it or you don't have it. It is an accurate way to determine the diagnosis. But your doctor can't make any money ordering the tests because it has to be done in a separate laboratory. Insurance companies don't allow for the laboratory to reimburse your doctor to draw the blood, so we've now arranged to work with the Quest Clinic system, and their draw stations are all over the United States. In fact, Quests will often, if you're far away from them, will send out someone to where you work or where you live to have your blood drawn at no cost. Okay?

Dr. Tamar: 24:16

That's good. So it's convenient. No more guessing. There's no need to guess anymore.

Dr. Gillis: 24:19

We'll come to this. That's exactly it. And you'll have a piece of paper, a lab report that is a way to substantiate your diagnosis. And while there may still be skepticism after you have that piece of paper, you will know in your mind and in your heart, you have an objective evidence and proof for why you have been sick. And you also have a pathway now to address the symptoms. There is no way to change your DNA. You understand. We're not promoting or claiming that we have any kind of drug. We're not claiming that we're changing your DNA. All we're saying is we're working through something that I'm sure you're very familiar with, the microbiome. The compound boosts the health of your microbiome and acts on what is called the gut brain axis. And through these pathways, oftentimes people get better. The only people who don't seem to get better are people who continue to take medicines that can damage your microbiome or mask how your brain reacts, people who, for example, are on narcotics or opiates or antidepressants, et cetera, that can block your brain's ability to respond to the microbiome-induced and improved level of immune system health.

Dr. Tamar: 25:45

And that's interesting because most of those patients who have probably been diagnosed with fibromyalgia are already on those medications.

Dr. Gillis: 25:53

Yes, and they're no better, right? They're not getting any better. They're not getting better. They're not getting better. And I'm saying there's a way to feel better, okay? To subjectively feel better because we're boosting the health of your immune system.

Dr. Tamar: 26:09

Yeah, amazing. This is a great breakthrough. I'm glad that we're discussing this and getting it out there, getting this message out there that this test exists for them to have a definitive answer as to what's going on, and then also a solution at hand. Now I want to bring this down to the listener. For someone who is listening and they're struggling with chronic pain, but doesn't feel seen or heard by the medical system. Dr. Gillis, what's one step they can take today?

Dr. Gillis: 26:38

I invite them to go to two websites, fm1test.com, learn about the test, okay? See what the symptoms are. The number one reason patients go to see the doctor is chronic pain. Over 60 million Americans suffer with chronic pain, okay? 60 million Americans. That's one out of five people, right? So they potentially can have the immune system abnormalities we call fibromyalgia. I don't like using the word fibromyalgia because, as I just said, it's a made-up term. They have immune deficiency disease. That's what they have. They have immune deficiency disease. That's what it should be called. That's number one. Number two, if they want additional information, they can go to the IMBIC site, imbx.com, and read about the compound that we developed that works to boost the health and well-being of your immune system. And obviously, if you can boost the health and well-being of your immune system, you should feel better. And most people do feel better. So far, in our experience, the only people who haven't improved have been those people unwilling to work to wean off the compounds that mask their symptoms, the compounds that control their brain. And I don't know if you have ever used an antidepressant or narcotic. You know you're not as mentally sharp, right? And that's why you're, for example, not supposed to operate a motor vehicle while you're taking those kinds of compounds. So if it does that, you understand how it can block the benefits of our compound that boosts your immune system health and works on your microbiome.

Dr. Tamar: 28:27

I see, I see. Well, we'll definitely leave those uh sites in our show notes for those who are interested and want to learn more and your email as well for those who want to get in touch with you. Your work has been about shining light, you know, into the dark corners of medicine. But before we wrap up, I want us to look ahead. What breakthrough do you believe we'll see in the next five years for these types of illnesses?

Dr. Gillis: 28:56

Well, number one, I'm hopeful that others will pursue looking at the immune system as the source of it. Number two, it's time for us to stop saying that there is no way to understand chronic pain, that there is no way to understand what we call fibromyalgia, that there is no way to understand long COVID. In a study that I recently completed with colleagues at Stanford, I can tell you that the second leading urologic condition that specialists see is called interstitial cystitis, where people suffer with terrible pelvic area pain and need to urinate every 10 to 15 minutes. We've identified that approximately eight out of 10 of those people have the same immune system abnormalities as the patients we see with what we call fibromyalgia or what we call long COVID. They all share the same immune system abnormalities. And this is important because, for example, in interstitial cystitis, we are still using a diagnostic methodology that was invented in the early 1900s and is only 7% accurate, 7% versus our tests, which is 80% accurate. So we're hopeful that we will make that breakthrough. I certainly believe that the immune system is critical, and as a result, I would hope that we will continue to explore those areas in that regard. And I'm also hopeful that other physicians who are interested in this area will join. One of my great frustrations is not so much convincing the patients. I can't tell you how many times I will hear from a patient who said, You know, Dr. Gillis, I told them about this test and they didn't believe me, so I said, Well, I'm going to send you the peer-reviewed articles. Let them read the peer-reviewed articles. And if they have any questions, I'm available to talk to them day or night. Let them call me, okay? I'll explain that. And if a doctor continues to refuse to authorize the test, I said, Well, did the doctor read the articles? And the patient says, No, they didn't. I don't understand that. I don't understand that because in medicine you swear an oath to do no harm. And if you avoid an accurate diagnostic test or a proven pathway to alleviate symptoms, you are injuring the patient, aren't you?

Dr. Tamar: 31:38

That is true. That is correct. That is correct. I think if it's not something they learned in their educational process, they tend not to really be driven towards it. But in medicine and healthcare, you it's you're continually learning because there's new developments, there's new research out there. So it's our duty to stay up to date with what's going on. So definitely the research should be read. We should be looking out for the best interests of our patients.

Dr. Gillis: 32:08

Yes. And fortunately, there are people such as yourself who are devoting themselves to improving the health and well-being of their fellow man. Because we need people like you willing to put in the time and the effort to let people know that there are pathways in healthcare that can benefit them, that can change their life, that can change their suffering, that can give them objective answers to why they are afflicted. So I'm very grateful that you've allowed me to speak with you this morning to talk about these subjects because they are so important. If you add up the number of people, not only with chronic painslash fibromyalgia, but patients with long COVID, patients with interstitial cystitis, that's over a hundred million people. That's one out of nearly three people in the United States, one out of every three. Why should they have to continue to suffer? Okay, now I'm not saying we're going to make the diagnosis in everybody, because obviously not everybody gets the test has a positive score, okay? And there may be another explanation. But I do believe that it's obligatory to investigate whether they might have a positive score and that they might benefit from taking the compound. Okay?

Dr. Tamar: 33:35

Yes, indeed.

Dr. Gillis: 33:36

So I'm hopeful that there are many people who will listen to this. And many people, if you have questions or your doctors have questions, I'm not avoiding them. We're happy to provide that. As uh I said, and I'm trying not to be redundant. Everything I've said is based upon peer-reviewed medical publications. Everything. This is not phantom, this is not something that was made up. Everything I have expounded upon is based upon research, good research. The compound, just to let you know, before it was released, we did an IRB double blind/slash placebo trial with hundreds of participants. And we learned the benefits of this compound. And interestingly, the compound is commonly found in food and water and was originally used to make an artificial sugar in chewing gum. So if you can use sugarless chewing gum, you should be able to use this compound, right? You shouldn't have any worries, right? The only difference is our formulation is a bit different. And when we did the FDA-related testing, we tested at levels of 50,000 milligrams a day. We didn't injure any kind of laboratory animal. We had to use the animals per the FDA. We followed the FDA guidelines. We didn't kill or hurt any of those animals by the use of that compound. And the amount we give in contrast to a human is only 250 milligrams. So if 50,000 is safe, certainly 250 ought to be safe, and it indeed is.

Dr. Tamar: 35:21

Well, thanks for sharing that background on the research of the compound and approval process. Thank you, Dr. Gillis. Well, you know what? It's definitely heartwarming for me to know that I'm not alone in what I'm doing with trying to help people focus on their health. And then you meeting someone like you who's digging further and really getting the answers and showing people that this is actually what's going on, and we have a solution for it and offering it at an affordable, affordable options for those patients.

Dr. Gillis: 35:54

Well, you can't be better than free, right? For the most part. I mean, seriously, it's better than going to Costco and getting a free sample, right?

Dr. Tamar: 36:06

Indeed. Well, thank you for joining me today, Dr. Gillis on Raisa Script with Nutrigenomics. It's been a pleasure.

Dr. Gillis: 36:12

Thank you for this opportunity because I'm hopeful we are going to reach many, many people. And for that, I want to again reiterate my gratitude for you giving me this opportunity to speak to you and to speak to your listeners.

Dr. Tamar: 36:28

You're welcome. Think back to where we started this episode. Those decades when patients with fibromyalgia were told it was all in their heads. No tests, no answers, and no hope. Today we know better. Thanks to the research like Dr. Gillis, we now have measurable proof that fibromyalgia and even conditions like long COVID and chronic pain are rooted in the immune system. That changes everything. Here's what I want you to remember. If you or someone you love has been dismissed by the medical system, it doesn't mean your pain isn't real. It means the science just wasn't there yet. But now it is. And with tests, published research and emergent therapies, there are real steps forward. You can learn more about the FM1 test at fm1test.com and the immune supporting compound at Iamasamary B asomboyx.com. I'll link both in the show notes. And if today's episode spoke to you and you're ready to explore your own DNA blueprint for better health, I'd love to connect with you at thelifebalance.com. That's www.thelance.com. Thank you so much, friend, for joining me for this powerful conversation. Please share this episode with someone who needs to hear it and make sure you're following the podcast so you don't miss what's next. Talk to you next Friday. Until then, always remember to raise the script on health because together we can bring healthcare to higher levels.

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