S1 | EP6: Naughty Nurses

We explore infidelity and ethical dilemmas in healthcare, with insights from guest Allie. We discuss the pressures of nursing, including stress, travel lifestyles, and the temptations that arise in high-stakes environments.

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Naughty Nurse Confessions and Infidelity

Speaker 1 0:00

I know a married couple who worked at this hospital and they were in different units , same hospital , different units . The husband was frolicking around with multiple young nurses just in the same hospital . When you do it outside , you're more secretive . But to do it within the workplace , where everybody knows you're a spouse and that you guys are together , share a family , that's bold in my opinion . There's this thrill , there's this thrill .

Speaker 3 0:31

It's the adrenaline rush , it's the adrenaline , and that thrill can transfer to one's personal life because it's a little addictive . And so there's this thrill of not being caught is what I'm trying to get at . You know what I mean .

Speaker 1 0:44

I agree . I do know certain nurses , especially in the ICU environment , who seek that adrenaline rush and that is why they are in ICU .

Speaker 3 1:03

Thank you for stopping by the Stuber podcast . I'm your host , slash driver , stu Briggs . And today let's hop in the ambulance because we're headed to the ER , the ICU Because my guest feels as if there are some relationships that need resuscitation , particularly in the healthcare industry . We're talking about naughty nurse confessions , tales of infidelity and scrubs . Should be a good one . Hop in , buckle up . We're going to blow some red lights on this one . Let's go for a ride . We have a hot one today , episode six . Thank you for joining me . A hot one today , episode six . Thank you for joining me .

Speaker 3 1:47

We're gonna be talking about naughty nurse confessions , tales of infidelity in scrubs . We're going to turn the tables a little bit . Usually it's patients that you sit bedside and talk to and they tell you about how they're having problems in their relationships and perhaps cheating . I'm sure you've heard some of those stories , but it has come to light that actually nurses are also notorious for cheating , oftentimes even in the hospital rooms , having mistresses and secret lovers . We have a panel of nurses here with me today . One is no stranger to this . My co-pilot , jane Eisen , my wife , say hello babe , hello , hello everyone . Yes , she is a registered nurse . She has a degree bought from Florida . There's some talk of people actually fraudulently getting their credentials , but you have earned your stripes , correct ?

Speaker 2 2:47

Yeah , senior nurse , 20 plus years 20 plus years .

Speaker 3 2:51

We're going to unpack what all of that means and why you are to be celebrated . So that's my co-pilot . She is a recurring personality here , but our special guest is none other than Allie Allison . How are you ?

Speaker 1 3:08

Good Hi .

Speaker 3 3:09

Glad you're on the show today . Now , you are a San Francisco native , born and raised . Represent the 415 . Yes .

Speaker 1 3:18

So shout out to the 415 . Very proud to be from the Frisco area .

Speaker 3 3:22

Yes , she's not leaving . I understand your intention is to stay .

Speaker 1 3:26

Never leaving . They have to drag me out what . I tell people that all the time I'm never leaving Frisco .

Speaker 3 3:32

You're Frisco to the heart .

Speaker 1 3:33

Yes .

Speaker 3 3:34

Wait a minute . I actually heard that New York might've stole you one time , cause that's like a bigger San Francisco .

Speaker 1 3:39

Yeah , it is , new York did steal my heart , but I'm always like going to rep SF . I love New York . It's a vibe out there but , weather wise , when it really comes down to it , I think SF is where it's at what Weather ?

Speaker 3 3:51

Yeah , oh , what you're saying . Compared to New York .

Speaker 1 3:54

Compared to New York .

Speaker 3 3:55

Oh , okay .

Speaker 1 3:56

Because that New York heat and the New York winter , yeah , no .

Speaker 3 3:59

All right , man , I can really go down a bunch of rabbit holes , but let me stick to said script . Today she's representing Abraham Lincoln High School . I want to start there with her journey . It is 499th ranked school in California . It's a distinguished high school . I don't know if you knew that .

Speaker 1 4:18

I didn't .

Speaker 3 4:19

Yeah , you're shocked .

Speaker 1 4:20

A little bit yeah , because growing up in the city , lowell was the number one distinguished school .

Speaker 3 4:27

Exactly , which is why I was going to ask you why you didn't go to Lowell .

Speaker 1 4:29

I didn't get in Dang .

Speaker 3 4:32

Yeah , that's where you wanted to be .

Speaker 1 4:34

Okay , so growing up Asian immigrant family right , you're first generation born here . Everybody's supposed to go to Lowell . If you didn't go to Lowell , you were a black sheep , at least from my family . On my mom's side there's like about 18 cousins . Everybody went to Lowell and three of us went to like different schools Like . Two of us went to Lincoln , which is me and my brother , and then one cousin went to Wash , but everybody else , including my younger sister , went to Lowell .

Speaker 3 5:00

So you almost got shamed , so to speak .

Speaker 2 5:03

Yeah .

Speaker 3 5:05

Ousted from her own people . Yeah , what school you went to ? Every time we do something smart , Jane goes . What school you went to ?

Speaker 2 5:12

What school you went .

Speaker 3 5:13

What school you went .

Speaker 2 5:14

What school you went .

Speaker 3 5:15

But I want to make sure , I want to verify that you went to Lowell . So what are the school colors there To ?

Speaker 1 5:21

Lincoln .

Speaker 3 5:21

Lincoln sorry .

Speaker 1 5:24

It is yellow and red .

Speaker 3 5:26

We should . We count yellow and red . I was told red and gold .

Speaker 1 5:29

So oh , red and gold , yeah , red and gold okay , red and yellow .

Speaker 3 5:33

Still questionable whether or not you actually went there . Then what is the school's mascot ?

Speaker 1 5:38

we're mustangs , we're diehard mustangs okay , okay , one more then .

Speaker 3 5:42

Okay , when it was time to get blazed , time to get high , where did they go to get high ? Just kidding , you don't have to answer that one . You didn't quite pass the test as whether or not you went to Lincoln , what is the bell game ?

Speaker 1 5:55

The bell game . Okay , so the bell game is played every year at Kezar Stadium and it happens on Thanksgiving day . Oh , yes , so the bell game happens on Thanksgiving Day in the morning . Everybody gathers at Kezar and it's a rivalry game played between Washington High School and Lincoln High School , and whoever takes the bell home that year is the winner of the bell game .

Speaker 3 6:17

Okay , Certified approved . You definitely went to Lincoln . All right , we're good to go . After you've graduated from Lincoln , you went on to UC Davis .

Speaker 1 6:28

Mm , hmm .

Speaker 3 6:30

Representing the Aggies .

Speaker 1 6:31

Yes , aggie , for life . I think my four years at UC Davis was probably the best four years of my life . When I'm asked if I would have done it different , I'd say no , because I moved away from home at 18 years old .

Speaker 2 6:44

Done it different .

Speaker 1 6:44

I'd say no , because I moved away from home at 18 years old , did it on my own , did the whole dorm room thing , ate in the commons , the dining commons , and just really grew as a person . Really found myself at 18 to like 22 . When I was there made some lifelong friends there , studied , partied , learned some trials and tribulations along the way , but like I really felt like my four years at Davis , I just grew as a person .

Speaker 3 7:13

Yeah , and you majored in biochemistry .

Speaker 1 7:15

I did . I majored in biochemistry hoping to fulfill the Asian American dream of becoming a medical doctor . Okay , but it didn't work out that way .

Speaker 3 7:25

But I am very happy as a nurse After you finished there at UC Davis , then you had to go on and get another degree for nursing at Samuel Merritt University .

Speaker 1 7:36

Yeah . So I finished at UC Davis , kind of didn't know what to do at that time , you know , was ready to move back home , was tired of being away from the Bay , and so I looked into what I was going to do . I wasn't going to go to med school , wasn't going to do any tech or business thing like that . So then I looked into nursing and I was like , oh okay , I can do this . I volunteered , liked it , and so I was like I'm going to pursue it . So I came back , did a few prereqs out here at a community college , at Skyline , and then applied to nursing school at Samuel Merritt and then got in .

Speaker 1 8:14

And so it was very fluid , I would say I maybe took a year off to do all my prereqs and stuff like that , and then I got in , which I'm very grateful for , because when I do things I go crazy , a hundred foot to the pedal straight , no breaks , and so I don't know how to explain it . But when I go so hard and then I fail , it like takes a moment for me to come back up Nursing . You can do it a few different routes . If you knew you wanted to be a nurse straight from high school , you could go to nursing school right away . You'll do your prereqs and then eventually get your bachelor's . But I had a bachelor's already , so I did a celebrated program . So I did nursing school in about 12 months .

Speaker 3 8:52

Okay .

Speaker 1 8:53

Yeah . It was intense , but totally worth it .

Speaker 3 8:56

Yeah .

Speaker 1 8:57

Yeah .

Speaker 3 8:58

Babe , you were telling me that when you did your nursing program was it a year .

Speaker 2 9:04

It was a two-year core nursing program . Oh , okay For an associate's degree in nursing a two-year core nursing program for an associate's degree in nursing .

Speaker 3 9:10

And we're talking about nurses that cheat and you passed your nursing test in 20 minutes . So we're not talking about that kind of cheating , but it does bring up some questions . How did you do that ? You passed your nursing exam in 20 minutes .

Speaker 2 9:25

Did you have ? Yeah , so I didn't cheat , I studied for it . That's amazing . Yeah , I locked myself in a room for a week . All I did was eat , shower , sleep , study .

Speaker 3 9:35

You locked in I focused yeah . Dang .

Speaker 2 9:38

And then went in to take the test 20 minutes 25 .

Speaker 3 9:44

Oh man , how about you , Allie ? Do you remember this test that she's speaking of ?

Speaker 1 9:46

I did remember this test Was yours still pen and paper , I think , on the or on the computer already Computer , because some nurses say they did theirs pen and paper but I did mine on the computer . Oh my God , it was like . I still remember how I felt because I went in , I took the exam . They make you take your hairband off and they give you their hairband . That's how like serious it is . And so I'm taking this test . I'm like , okay , I'm going to fail . I feel like I'm going to fail .

Speaker 1 10:12

And at 75 questions it turns off . It's not like a gentle turn off . You're done with your test . Please go see the test proctor . It literally shuts down . Black screen , right , abrupt , abrupt , abrupt shutdown . And I'm all freaking out . I'm like , oh my God , so I failed . Like I'm thinking , should I raise my hand and tell the proctor ? I think the computer is broken ? The reason why I say it like that is because a lot of people say that if you finish within 75 questions for the board exam , it's either you did really well , that the test feels as though you passed , or you did really terrible , that you need to go back and study . Yeah , so you'll never know . So you'll never know , and then , if you're not doing so hot in the beginning but then you get your groove in the middle , you can go up to 256 questions , like they'll let you prove yourself .

Speaker 2 11:02

Oh , I see , was it a four hour limit ?

Speaker 1 11:04

I forget I can't remember yeah , something like that , but you get chances . I can't remember yeah , something like that , but you get chances Like they're not here to have you fail . Ok , they're here to help you .

Speaker 3 11:13

All right , so both of you did not do anything shady to get where you're at . That's good . You're bona fide because you're the ones that are going to be taking care of us when we're sick . Segue into what we're trying to get into , which is this topic that's been out there these days about nurses and people in the healthcare industry that are not so faithful . We know that's a fantasy for a lot of folks is to have physical relations with a nurse . I'm sure that is something some people have fantasized about . Both of you are giving me weird faces , but it's true that is an American fantasy to be able to cheat with a nurse . But let's not just leave it to nurses . Doctors also , and nursing assistants are all under this umbrella of having cheated . We have some conversation about it , and I heard you mention this earlier , allie . Is that your kind just kidding ? No , nurses are more likely to cheat than musicians and DJs

Hospital Affairs

Speaker 3 12:18

. This information I'm giving you comes from a survey by Ashley Madison . Have you heard about that ?

Speaker 1 12:24

I've heard about it . I tried to dig deep into it and trying some sources . I'm all about evidence based , but have you heard what Ashley Madison is ? No , okay , so that's good how about you ?

Speaker 3 12:30

I've heard about it . I tried to dig deep into it and trying some sources . I'm all about evidence-based , but have you heard what Ashley Madison is ? No , okay , so that's good . How about you , babe ? I haven't . Okay , so that is an app that's for people who want to have a extramarital affair . So this survey and this data I'm providing comes from this app . When they surveyed some of their users All right , it's those who want to cheat . I know there was a such app out there .

Speaker 2 12:54

I didn't know either . I had no idea . Yeah , yeah , wow .

Speaker 3 12:58

And so it listed healthcare workers as the most likely to cheat , saying that about 23% of female medical professionals have been caught doing the dirty . We're talking about looking at a pool of about 367 people , all right , and mainly 81% of the cheaters were men . So men are really having a hard time keeping it in their pants . But one thing that you guys might be able to speak to also is that it's those that work the night shift that tend to have a little bit more proclivity to cheating 60% more so than the other shifts . It's the nighttime shift . So , fellas out there , if you are interested in that is your fantasy and that is your fantasy , then go to the ER at night and that might fulfill said fantasy .

Speaker 3 13:54

Just saying , okay , now I've said enough . I just want to set the context and the stage that there is some data to suggest that this is the case , and so Allie and my wife are here to tell us whether or not those are things that they have experienced themselves . But let's get into it , allie , so you're in the nursing profession . How long have you been doing that ?

Speaker 1 14:20

I'm coming up seven years in September .

Speaker 3 14:23

Okay , how about you babe ?

Speaker 2 14:24

21 years .

Speaker 3 14:27

Veteran in the game huh Veteran , yes , og , og , okay , let , og , okay . Let's start with you guys . What made you start or pursue that career ? What was it about nursing that made you want to get into it ?

Speaker 1 14:41

I think because you could interact with the patients more . It was besides being a doctor , I knew I wanted to be hands-on in the medical profession , and so that's why , when I volunteered , I was like , hey , I'm bedside , I'm doing things , I'm talking to patients , I'm in it .

Speaker 3 14:54

You didn't want to be pushing paper .

Speaker 1 14:56

Yeah .

Speaker 3 14:58

That was not what I wanted to do , but a huge part of your job is pushing paper . Electronic .

Speaker 1 15:03

Oh , but it is charting , isn't that ? Yeah , oh okay , yeah , oh okay .

Speaker 3 15:05

Yeah . That's the part that's a little cumbersome or tedious , yes or no ?

Speaker 1 15:10

Yeah , it can get tedious . Yeah , and when you're so busy sometimes you get caught up with your patient that you just get behind . But yeah , it can get tedious . But I like to be active , right , like I can't be in an office just sitting .

Speaker 3 15:23

Okay .

Speaker 1 15:24

Doing on the computer . Okay .

Speaker 3 15:30

Yeah , I'm going to stop calling you babe Jane . How about you , Mrs Jane ? How did you get involved in nursing ?

Speaker 2 15:34

So my aunt inspired me to become a nurse . My dad had high respects for her and always spoke highly about her , and I just saw how she cared for people and nursed my grandma that was ill , and my grandpa , and so I just wanted to be just like her . So that's what inspired me .

Speaker 3 15:54

Okay , all right . Now we've come a long way . We've got a pandemic . That happened . There's a lot of burnout , so that's one of the obstacles you've faced . What are some other obstacles you may have faced ?

Speaker 2 16:07

I think , like the staffing issues , that we always had , how short staff we would be .

Speaker 1 16:14

Short staffing is something that's always going to be there .

Speaker 2 16:17

You're never going to be fully staffed .

Speaker 3 16:20

For the person that doesn't really know much about that . What does that mean ? Short staff , yeah . It means you're having to do more .

Speaker 2 16:26

Not enough help , for you know the acuity of your patient .

Speaker 3 16:30

Acuity . Excuse me , ma'am , what does that mean ?

Speaker 1 16:34

Acuity is how intense your patient can be Like . Some patients are a little bit more ill than other patients and so one patient may require a little bit more time to take care of that person , whether it's meds or just feeding them or just waiting for them to finish using the restroom . They need help back to bed , things like that . Or some patients are total care and they're dependent in those types of activities and you need more than one person . Sometimes it's three people to one patient and there's just sometimes there's not enough staff .

Speaker 3 17:06

Okay , you've got a lack of support and resources , and that level of stress can also impact the morale among nurses . Is that correct , for sure ?

Speaker 1 17:19

Yeah , and our top dogs , like our management , thinks that pizza and cookies and cakes is what builds morale . But that's not what builds morale . We need help and that means hiring more people , scheduling more people , whether it's OT , double time , whatever it may be . But sometimes you know they think that rewards and other things builds morale , but it really doesn't .

Speaker 3 17:45

Wow . So I think we're touching the tip of the iceberg here , with what may be leading to some of the cheating that happens in the hospital is that there's a level of stress and how one deals with that stress could be in finding some tender , loving care from someone that will give it to you . Is that something that you could suggest as a reason that a nurse might do something like that ?

Speaker 1 18:11

I can see why it happens , For example , when I'm venting . It's easier for me to vent to Jane because I'll throw out nursing terms and she'll just laugh or agree and I don't have to really explain more . Right ? Let's say I marry somebody outside of the health care profession . I'm going home to vent . It takes a lot more energy to vent to that person as opposed to somebody at work .

Speaker 3 18:33

Exactly .

Speaker 1 18:34

Because it's easier and more than likely , they were there and they experienced it . So you're just venting , not explaining and venting at the same time , right yeah ?

Speaker 3 18:43

So someone that can easily relate .

Speaker 1 18:46

Right .

Speaker 3 18:47

Yeah , easily relate , right , yeah . And if a person is feeling estranged from their spouse already , that kind of makes it even more opportunistic if they have a work husband or a work wife , so to speak .

Speaker 1 19:02

Definitely . And that's like a slippery slope because , yeah , it's easier to vent to your coworker , but , like I said , it's a slippery slope because where do you go with that what ?

Speaker 3 19:13

your intention . We go to the hospital room and we close the door and pull down the blinds . And tell me that has not happened . So you guys work long hours sometimes , right yeah , so that can lead to a detachment from home because you're constantly away and sometimes maybe the only time a nurse or a doctor may see their spouse is when they get ready to crawl into bed . Does that sound like a realistic situation that some people are facing that are in the health care industry ?

Speaker 1 19:44

Yeah , I would say so . It's very valid . All right , I would say so it's very valid .

Speaker 3 19:47

All right . So we established one of the reasons this may be happening is a lack of resources . Burnout and a detachment from their spouse at home , along with the ability to connect with someone at work , is one reason why this may be the case . Now , what do you think are some other reasons as to why this may be happening ? Nurses might be cheating .

Speaker 1 20:11

It's easy , it's convenient . You're there being in a hospital , right , like you have a room , you have a bed , you have a bathroom , there's showers in certain units , yeah , and it's convenience , it's there . And , like you said , night shift , that's when everybody , like every normal person , sleeps . And us medical professions whether it's a nurse , materials management , environmental services they work night shift too , because the hospital is a 24-hour facility and for a night shift , nobody is really around . Some units are closed , beds are set up for the next morning , there's a lot of downtime being a night shift nurse , and there's just a lot more people around on day shift , it's a lot easier to get caught .

Speaker 3 20:52

So that's another reason that this may be happening is because people have an alibi and they can say it's harder for me to get caught because I don't have to really explain where I was at , because I work long hours . So are they having juicy examples or juicy stories , without dropping any names ? Just something that might give people a glimpse into this culture of cheating ?

Speaker 1 21:19

that may be out there . The hospital is such a big place if you think you're not getting caught , people already probably know somebody has probably seen you out of this corner , that corner . Yeah , like I heard of this story I can't verify if it's true or not , because I heard of it third party but I know a married couple who worked at this hospital and they were in different units , same hospital , different units . The husband was frolicking around with multiple young nurses just in the same hospital . When you do it outside , you're more secretive . But to do it within the workplace , where everybody knows you're a spouse and that you guys are together , share a family , that's bold in my opinion . What do you think ? Oh , yeah , totally that is bold to me and , yeah , that's one that I've heard of .

Nursing Profession and Ethical Boundaries

Speaker 3 22:13

Speaking to reasons we mentioned just being able to have a connection with someone , but also because you all are so used to prescribing medicine . Perhaps the couple you speak of had an open relationship and they understood that one's physical sexual needs is like a prescription , and perhaps they both understood that there was nothing emotional . It was a physical prescription that one needed . Maybe that's how some nurses look at it . I'm not necessarily cheating , I'm just getting my prescription .

Speaker 1 22:49

Good excuse , but not cutting it . It's not going to cut it . Not cutting it yeah .

Speaker 3 22:54

Jane's in disagreement . Don't you prescribe medicine , or are you ?

Speaker 1 22:58

We administer , we administer .

Speaker 2 23:00

You administer it , the doctor prescribes it .

Speaker 1 23:03

Yeah , we give it to our patients because they need it . I see where you're going with that . You see what I'm going with . You're saying as though the infidelity is a dose , like a little pick-me-up here and there when you need it Exactly and as nurses we call it a PRN when we need it as necessary . It's not as needed . That's what we call a PRN . So I see where you're going with it . I understand it , but I don't agree with it .

Speaker 3 23:32

You don't agree with it , I think it is a low-level excuse . There are some other reasons when you guys work in a hostile environment , sometimes yes or no .

Speaker 1 23:40

Yeah , high strung , high strung .

Speaker 3 23:43

And there's a weight on you , sometimes yes or no .

Speaker 1 23:47

Yeah .

Speaker 3 23:48

Okay , and so you need tender , loving care ? All right , so it's great to retreat to someone that's going to give you that care . Right ? Maybe it's not happening at home , so retreat somewhere else to feel loved . Is that a valid reason ?

Speaker 1 24:06

It's a valid reason . But my question is okay . So if you have somebody at home and you're not getting the love that you need to thrive in your career , so we need to get to the bottom of it . That doesn't mean go outside your home and look for that tlc . I feel as though if you have somebody at home because not everyone is married or has a partner right , so if you're not getting that tlc at home because not everyone is married or has a partner right , so if you're not getting that TLC at home and you have somebody at home , so there's a bigger issue .

Speaker 3 24:38

Yeah , that's my personal opinion I'm just saying when not thinking about is right or wrong . It's just some of the reasons why it may oh happening yeah okay , definitely now . Another reason is you said that when you go for something , you like to put everything into it . You go 100 all in , and that thrill-seeking nature of nurses , particularly because you guys have to take risks right . In order to be in this industry that you're in , you have to take some risks right .

Speaker 2 25:09

Someone's coding , someone's inserting IVs yeah , always . You're always putting yourself at risk .

Speaker 3 25:15

Yeah .

Speaker 2 25:16

Your safety , yeah Like with mental health patients .

Speaker 3 25:21

Yeah .

Speaker 2 25:21

You're at risk for your safety .

Speaker 3 25:23

Yeah , there's this thrill , there's this thrill . It's the adrenaline rush , it's the adrenaline right .

Speaker 1 25:28

When your patient's coding and you bring them back . Yeah , yeah , there's always that .

Speaker 3 25:33

And that thrill can transfer to one's personal life because it's a little addictive . And so there's this thrill of not being caught is what I'm trying to get at .

Speaker 1 25:48

You know what I mean . I agree . I do know certain nurses , especially in the ICU environment , who seek that adrenaline rush and that is why they are in ICU . So yeah , I agree with you .

Speaker 3 25:55

Okay . So there's that . Then here's one is because some may feel life's too short . Right , they realize , you guys are always on the front line of seeing people on the brink of death or possibly dying , and you realize , hey , life is too short and you're aware of your own mortality , and so you grab opportunity when it comes , no matter how risky it might be . You don't want to waste an opportunity because you realize , hey , I only live once .

Speaker 1 26:26

Yeah , yolo , right . Yeah , we get a lot of traveler nurses Exactly From Alabama , louisiana and even New York , like as big as a city is . Their nursing environment isn't as strong and I'll explain in a bit . As California , as California nurses , we are blessed to be in the union , that we have the support that we have , even though we talk about short staffing and stuff like that , but we are blessed as Cali nurses .

Speaker 1 26:51

We get a lot of travelers and they're from small town , rural areas and they come to the Bay area , let alone San Francisco , and they're like , oh my God , what have I been missing out on life ? And they just go , like I said , put to the pedal , like 100% on the gas , and they're just out there . Like I know traveler nurses , they make good money , they have good contracts , especially compared to what they were used to getting paid , and they ball out . They're going to the Dominican Republic , they're going to Jamaica , they're going to the Catalina Islands . Talking about , I'm going to go on a private helicopter from wherever they dock to the Catalina Islands . These traveler nurses ball out . So , like for sure , it's like a YOLO thing because they know when they go back home or eventually , wherever they decide to do they want to have said , to have experienced this California experience ?

Speaker 3 27:39

Mm-hmm , and so that could lead to the playgirl , playboy lifestyle . You mentioned something that , with all of this wealth and high salaries , it's well documented that doctors and nurses have more invitation to stray away from their significant other because they receive more attention . Stray away from their significant other because they receive more attention . That because you guys have the status . When people hear doctor or nurse , it turns them on .

Speaker 1 28:14

And so then in turn , nurses then take advantage of that opportunity . Yeah , I can see that happening too . Yeah , For sure I say more so with the doctor .

Speaker 3 28:20

Oh yeah .

Speaker 1 28:21

Yeah , because I feel like when somebody hears doctor , they're like oh , Right , it's like that they see their white coat . Yeah , they're like oh MD what .

Speaker 3 28:32

Yeah , I do it too .

Speaker 1 28:33

I'm not going to lie . What does he do ? Oh , he's a doctor , oh , okay . What else does he do ? Oh , he's a doctor , oh okay . What else does he have to offer ? Yeah , why is he single ?

Speaker 3 28:51

Oh , wow , last reason we'll talk about , or I would say a notion out there , that nurses are full of themselves , maybe conceited and arrogant . Does that seem a bit unfair to you to describe a nurse as conceited or arrogant ?

Speaker 1 29:04

I think conceited and arrogant are the wrong adjectives . I feel as though we're confident . I feel like that's a better adjective because we know what we're doing .

Speaker 3 29:14

Exactly .

Speaker 2 29:14

Yeah , and we're assertive .

Speaker 1 29:17

Yeah , we're very assertive . Yeah , we're very assertive .

Speaker 3 29:19

Maybe there's some men and women out there who feel as if that level of confidence is not an easy way to get a proposal , let alone walk the aisle with someone . But , that being said , if that is what people think , we have to change that narrative . We've not done justice to your profession , so we're going to close on a more dignified note . We don't want to leave here without our what babe ? Our dignity .

Speaker 3 29:49

Okay . So we want to have our dignity , and so one thing we want to highlight is that you guys play a critical role in patient care . Jane , when you come home , I know that you have seen and worked tirelessly to ensure that patients receive the best possible treatment .

Speaker 2 30:07

Definitely 100% .

Speaker 3 30:09

And you're often the first point of contact for patients and their families , right when their loved one is going through something with a medical problem you have to be the go-between sometimes .

Speaker 2 30:21

Yes , first line .

Speaker 3 30:23

Yeah , so that has to be kept in mind when we start throwing topics out there that cast you and our essential workers in a negative light is that you're the first line for the families , you provide emotional support and guidance and you're super skilled . I think , allison , you left out a couple of things in your bio about the extensive training you've gone through . You've done a lot of studying beyond what the typical nurse needs to do in order to get where you're at , to develop your expertise in pharmacology and anatomy and physiology , like you've done a lot , right , oh yeah .

Speaker 1 30:58

Yeah , just to put it into perspective , I was a adult nurse , cardiac nurse , for six years and a year ago transitioned to become a neonatal nurse . Lots of training , different types of training to get to where I am . But when I was an adult nurse , in order to really solidify myself , I did take a few tests , which was the CCRN , which is a critical care nurse test , to certify myself as a critical ICU nurse . Now that test was no joke . I would have to say that test was harder than the board tests . I really studied for that test . The other test that I took was a cardiac surgery test , just to solidify my skills , my knowledge , knowing how to take post-op cardiac surgery patients . But yeah , I've done three training programs as a nurse . So I did a new grad training program at Kaiser SF and then I did a ICU training program at Stanford and then I did a neonatal one at UCSF . So lots of training .

Speaker 3 32:01

Yeah , super motivated . And is this the final destination for your nursing career ? You got the neonatal . That's a new experience .

Speaker 1 32:10

Very new . I'm loving it . I'm so passionate about it . I feel as though I'm not even at work , like I find it a joy to go to work . I think I found my niche . To be honest with you , after six years I have some near future goals for myself within the neonatal population going in that route , but I think I'm sticking with the neonates for now , neonates , neonates , yeah this is where I was meant to be .

Speaker 3 32:38

Nice . Both of you have definitely served your community and humankind every day , and it's to be appreciated , and so any negative stereotype that's being put out there needs to be shifted towards a more accurate and respectful portrayal of this very vital profession , and so hats off to both of you for being servants in your career and in your life . We're going to end on that note . Thank you , allie , for joining us , and thank you , babe , for being my co-pilot . Thanks for listening . If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast , please share it with others , post about it on social media or leave a rating and review . To catch all the latest from me , you can follow me on Instagram at Stuber underscore podcast . Thanks again , and until next time . Keep your head up and eyes on the road .