Tips To Prepare For Vet School While In Undergrad

Welcome to another episode of Questions With Crocker! This week Dr. Crocker and Shane recap their one hour long appointment discussion from last week, analyze why veterinarians on social media need to have a thick skin, discuss multiple tips for pre-vet students going into vet school, and more.

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TIMESTAMPS
Intro 00:00
Recapping The One Hour Appointments Topic 01:38
Social Media Requires Having Thick Skin 06:13
Listener Question (@ellisonmalakow) 09:11
It's Important To Perform Well In Undergrad 10:06
Ask For Help 12:13
Take Easy Classes At The Beginning 13:18
What Kind Of Learners Are We? 14:11
Hands-On Experience Is Crucial 15:56
Mentally Preparing For Vet School 22:17
Outro 25:18

Transcript

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[MUSIC] Welcome back to another episode of "Questions with Crocker" with me, Dr. Crocker and my husband, Shane. I'm here. We are here. Present and accounted for, ready to go big swig of diet, Mountain Dew, start us off. If you're watching on YouTube, you got to see that. If you're listening to us on Apple or Spotify, we appreciate you being here. A little bit about us. This is a podcast about veterinary medicine, behind the scenes. I am an emergency veterinarian and also a general practice, small animal hospital owner. And Shane owns that practice with me, one because we're married, and two because he is really good at a lot of things I'm not good at. Spreadsheets. Spreadsheets, Excel. He's a master. I don't think there's not much that excites you more than a good Excel sheet that's got a lot of columns and formulas and things that you can do. I would agree. Why is that exactly? I don't know. I like numbers. And that's a way for me to look at numbers different ways. The other thing you really enjoy is? Nick, just send me that text, actually.[LAUGHTER] During the podcast, this is how much his friends know him. Just got a picture from a friend of a coffee cup that says, "Freak in the Sheets." And it shows an Excel spreadsheet. If anyone knows where to run this coffee cup, we actually might need to purchase it for Christmas for you. That's hilarious, actually. Thanks, Nick, for that. Because that will be on your list next birthday, for sure. So we are here to talk a little bit about veterinary medicine. We've talked about a lot of different things. We've talked about my vet, Med Journey. We've talked about owning a hospital. We've given updates on all that. And really, this podcast is based off of questions you submit as a listener. And we got a really interesting one in. But first, I want to kind of recap or update on some things that we talked about the last time. I don't remember what we talked about last time. I have no idea.[LAUGHTER] It's in a whole week. No. So we talked about a couple different things. But one of the things that I commented on that a lot of people had a lot of feelings about was not understanding why a veterinarian would need like one hour appointments. Oh, yeah. And we posted that clip on social media and boy, did we get some feedback? And actually, some of it was really good information and things that I hadn't thought about, which is why we pushed it because part of this podcast is sharing and learning and giving. Yeah, we actually asked people to share some information so we could learn from that. Yes. So they did. And they brought up some really great points. So majority of people said, you know, my practice does one hour appointments. It's for new grads. It doesn't mean they're with the client for an hour. It means they're with the client, but then they have time to like look up things, finish records, kind of adjust to the flow, talk to other doctors, you know, during and between appointments. And if an appointment is linked there, they have time to run lab work. You know, look at X-rays maybe with someone else. And so it just gives them a little bit of a cushion where they don't get behind and they can be really thorough and learn along the way, right? Because it is true as you start to go along in practice, you see common things really commonly. You already kind of know this is my treatment plan like while you're talking to the owner, you're already coming up with the things you're going to do. You kind of know some drug dosages off the top of your head. They have to look all that up in the very beginning. So they need a little more time, but most people said within two to three months they're transitioning to 20, 30 minute appointments. It doesn't last that long. Now the other one though that was interesting to me was which makes sense. I mean, I get that right. Yes. These are transition into short appointments and it just takes everybody a little bit longer to get up to speed. Well, in honest, it sounds like good mentoring to me. Yeah. Like if you listen to them, you know, that's what they need and that's what you give them, like totally valid. And worry because that battery is maybe flashing. I can't tell. So we'll have to see what happens. We may not have a video may not have my video. Why is mine always the one that gets up. So the other big thing that people said was if they work in fear free clinics, they have much longer appointments. So if you're not familiar with it, fear free is the concept of really using a lot of methods and even medications to make an appointment as low stress as possible on the pet. It does require more time because sometimes you are giving medications prior to the appointment or at the appointment and letting those take effect before you're doing a lot of things. You also do a lot of like positive reinforcement with treats and with other things to I guess to extract the pet and make it less stress on them. But those things also take additional time. So you're moving away from like that. We're just going to hold this pet down, get everything done. And really I think it's great for the pet. Again, okay with that. My guess is they charge more for those appointments. 100% yes. And the most interesting thing to me was there's a lot of pet owners in the comments saying we go to fear free practice. It takes longer and we are willing to pay more money for that experience because our pet is less stressed. So I think if you have a fear free practice and you have to get certified to say you are one, there's training that you do online. It's really really comprehensive and great. And then you market that you actually can really help a lot of pets and also find the type of clients that are willing to pay for those longer experiences. On the flip side, we had some people on there saying if I went to my vet and my appointment took an hour for like a vaccine visit, like I would be angry. My pet does not want to be at the vet, you know, for that long. So I really think it's around how you build that experience, the type of clients you have. And my biggest thing was also like the way I work, I don't take that long, but I understand that some people can. And really it's not always the vet taking that long. It could be multiple members of your team that are interacting with a pet and a client that are going to, you know, drag that out. So as long as it can pay for itself over time, whether you're building a young veterinarian up, so they'll have a strong foundation, good medicine skills, good communication skills because you're taking that time. Or you're charging more for that experience because you are doing something that takes longer in the owner's season value of it. I'm totally fine with the one. Yeah, I mean, both of those seem very valid to me. I think what we didn't hear is we taken our long appointment and it's the same price as the one down the road that's a 20-minute of woman. Like that model doesn't work. Right. And it's not something that like long term, sustainable practice. It's something that's a really short term investment with a practice with like a new grad specifically. And you're just doing it so they're better faster. Makes sense. And so I totally understand that. And with a fear of free concept, it's almost like human medicine where you have like, concier models, right? So people willing to pay more for access to care, longer, pull appointment times or whatever that is. So I mean, to me that makes sense too. There's a market for that for sure. Yeah, because it is interesting to me. Like we've taken our children to like the ER, urgent care, our pediatricians amazing. She spends time with us like listen to us, but everywhere else, I mean they barely touch my kid and it's like in and out. And it's dramatically more than we would ever charge anybody. So I do think if people see that you're spending the time and you're listening to them, they're getting the value from that. And you can definitely have your culture set up or you're compensated correctly for that. And some people working in that model, that is what has made this profession sustainable for them. Working for free, doing things that they think are best for the pet. I mean, not just kept them in this profession. So I think it's very valid and I appreciate everyone's feedback. I would agree. For the most part, everyone was very kind. There's always a few. But I always tell people that are wanting to do social media as like a vet professional. I tell them that. And thick skin. Thick skin. You've got to have a thick skin. And really you have to realize if you are on social media in a profession, I think the people in the profession are the people hardest on you. Like you either are people that are always that though. Is that competition? Is it I don't know. I mean, it's not just a better man, right? I mean, it's all professions, but I don't understand. Is it like a power thing? Is it a ego thing? I don't know. I think probably for different people, it's different reasons. I mean, some of the most controversial posts will be someone showing how they like do a bloodjou or do an IV catheter. And then that can be done 50 different ways. And people will literally be like, I can't believe you did that. I can't believe you didn't do that. I can't believe you were a glib. I can't believe you didn't like the comments are so kind of ridiculous. And also things that like you could have just scrolled by this that you didn't really have to stop and do a rant on that. So there was a lot of people that were basically like you don't support new grad vets. If you don't think they need an hour, like you must not care about them. You know, and I'm like, I'm just not in the case. So I just said like listen to the whole podcast. You'll hear all my. I don't know that, but like look at all your post on social media. I mean, it's all about new grads and. Well, the mentor and bringing people up in the industry because you love the industry. I mean, yes, yes. And you have to, I think that's the big thing, right? If you have a platform, you have to know what you stand for and who you are. And that's part of honestly our profession as a whole because you'll have clients also that'll meet you for the first time and make assumptions or say things. And you're like, you don't know me at all. And so you have to know like what your why is and who you are and just kind of tall solid side. And this is a sidetrack but going back to why you have a presence online to begin with and do speaking is of all that started with students. It all started with going to the colleges to vet schools to talk and doing on your own dime and your own time. So yeah, I mean, it started because I felt like everything was negative in our veterinary space. And people were literally telling vet students who are already in vet school to become a veterinarian. You made a horrible decision. You're going to hate this job. I wish I had never done it. And just thinking of like you spent all this time to get to vet school and these people are being so discouraging. And so I really just wanted to connect with them and like encourage them and give them like reasons why I still liked it, right? Like not just say like, I love my job, but this is why these are the things I've done and try to give you know action steps. So I am glad people resonate with it, but I 100% majority the haters and the majority of the loud people are the ones from our profession. And you just have to know that going into it and know that you're going to get so many other amazing messages and make great connections and friendships that is worth it in my opinion. But some people shouldn't do it if they don't have a thick skin. Not that. Or just only look at golf stuff when you're doing that. That's why that's why there's not a shame crocker. Social media presence. Who do you think has a thicker skin between the two of us? Probably you. I think I do. I think there's been it's been interesting. There's been things where I've been attacked and you have gotten way more angry about it than I have. And I have kind of, you know, been able to say like it is what it is. This person is not somebody. You know, I appreciate their opinion, but it has angered you more to see people. I guess vilify me or say something about me that you don't feel like it's true. So I do love you for that. Things. Every girl like once once their man to stand up for them. So I appreciate that. Okay. So all of that talking about students actually leads into our question that we got because it's from a pre vet student, which I love that they listen to the podcast and they reach out. So this question is from Ellison Malaco. And they said, I'm going to be a freshman in college in the fall at UGA and I'm majoring in animal science. So freshman, love it, pre vet, already thinking ahead to what we want to do. I wonder if you guys have any advice on what experiences are most beneficial or important to get an undergrad in preparation for vet school and applying? I know research is a big thing and a lot of that schools look to that. So is there any advice on research opportunities? Thanks so much. Y'all are the best. I like it. I'm sure we'll see y'all. No, they're at UGA. But they put your. I know, but that's just a southern thing. You know that. I actually had someone tell me don't say y'all in my videos because there'll be people that won't listen to you for use. And I'm like, but that's how it. But I think that'll be perfect. I don't know. I don't know how to stop saying something that is just my natural flow. So I think this is a great question and I kind of came up with a list of just in general things to do to make your application stronger and then want to address like the research question in there as we go. So one of the big things I think is it's really important to do well in undergrad. I know that sounds like very basic. But there's actually tricks to that a little bit. So there is things like if you're struggling and it's a class you know is a core class for vet school that's very important and weighted meaning when I applied to vet school, they looked at my overall GPA. They looked at like my science GPA and they looked at my last year of classes GPA. And all those things were actually equally weighted. So they didn't care as much like my grade I made in like English freshman year didn't matter as much as the grade that I made in organic chemistry or like a core class for that school. So a lot of sense. The other thing is if you get into vet school, you're still finishing up your last year. So you technically can get into the vet school while you're still in certain classes and then you just have to pass those classes to get into school. So sometimes actually putting a harder class like your very last semester, placing your classes can make a lot of sense. I also always knew like when the drop date was. So a drop date in college is usually like you can start a class at a certain point if you're like I'm not learning from this professor, well, I'm not vibing with him. I did the apology four times. I was about to say you did this a couple of several times that that took place at Louisiana Tech. So if you know like I'm not going to learn from this person, I just don't get how they're teaching. You actually can drop that class and have a not count for against you, which means you have to make it up still. But finding out which professors are the ones that maybe teach a little bit better or you'll understand more will help you get professors that you're going to follow the athlete to run to be honest with you. What do you mean? A bunch of athlete buddies. So they always got advised on what teachers to take. So I just tagged along with those teachers. Do you think those teachers were just easier or do you think they were easier? They maybe just taught in a different style or maybe their tests were like not as bad. I still remember in physics, I think it was physics one. My professor would fly through their material in class and you would just like try to get what you could out of it. And then the test literally everyone made like 30s and 40s on it. And then he just had to like do this huge curve. So you would pass and I never understood that like always did that when I sat down look around the room. So okay, I'm at least on the top. We were sitting here. I'm good to go. They can't feel everybody. I can do spiethic curve, right? But the thing is like if you're a test or that hard, we're like you have to curve at 20 30 points. That doesn't make sense to me. That means people are not learning the information. They're not retaining it. And so I would get so frustrated. So one of the other things that I think is a big tip is asking for help when you need it. So I did hire tutors for certain classes. I went to actual like group tutoring. And then I was a college athlete and they all so offered like free tutoring for us on campus. So I would do that or go to all the TAs, you know, tutoring that I could do because they often would say this is going to be on the test like you know this. Yeah. Yeah. So I would on those classes, I knew they were really important and that I eventually had to take and do well or take and pass. Like I made sure to go a little extra on those. And I also I fluffed my schedule a little bit sometimes like we had athletics. And I asked like what is the athletic that's the easiest one I'm going to an a N and a N had country western dancing. I love to dance. So I went and got to learn like how to two step and met a whole group of people that we ended up going out with every night. This is what not to do. Prior to an in vet school. No, it was great. It was great because I got good experience. I met people and I also made an easy A. So a couple things to take away from that is asking for help when you need it knowing what drop dates are knowing which classes are weighted heavier with vet school applications. And knowing you really need to nail those classes or putting those classes at the very end where you only have to pass them. All those are kind of tips and tricks that I think you can. Yeah, I think also early on going into college. A lot of times we're kind of gung ho about, you know, doing a hard class because you feel like you can do it. I always tell people out of the gate take it take easy class right out of the gate. Learn how to study on your own learn how to how your mind retains knowledge how you want to do things and adjust to college life. If you load yourself up in the first semester, it could be very difficult. So take it light the first semester or two and then start working your way up to more intense classes. I think that is great advice. I think the minimum that most colleges want you to take is 12 hours. I had later semesters in my career where I took because I never took summer school so I had later semesters where I took 15, 18. I took 20 hours in my very last semester. And I actually was in the higher level classes I liked and I did really well. But those first semesters I took 12 because you got to learn where everything is. You need to learn how to manage, you know, getting yourself places. Yes. And how to study is really, really important. What kind of learner do you think you are? Because I think they say there's like visual where you can see things. There's where you hear it. There's where you read it. There's where you write it out. Like what type of learning style does to be a long time to figure out. But I'm the guy that has to go to class and actually listen pay attention. Sometimes suck up to the professor's thing if you are. That's not a learning style. That's like a life skill. And then I'd also have to come back and I would rewrite on notes. So whatever notes I took, I would basically take those outlawing chapters in the book and rewrite that stuff. And that's how I would kind of process that information. I think I was similar in the fact that I really liked to write things out. And I was visual in a way because I could organize things on a sheet of paper and highlight and have lists and sections. And actually during a test, I could think to myself, okay, like that was upper right corner. And it was this list. And I could actually sometimes like visualize what the answer was because of how I laid out like my sheet of paper. But really in vet school, the biggest thing I found out is if I can teach people something, I know it. And so I was a group study or some people are very individual studying. I was a group study or because we would all get together. We'd have a big whiteboard and we would write things out. And then you'd have to explain it to your classmate or ask questions. And if we could do that, I was like, I really understand this concept. And I wanted to really understand it in vet school because these classes mattered. Like understanding physiology, anatomy, those things mattered for me to be a good veterinarian. Hi, Bobby, our cat has joined us for the podcast. So I think that those are all important things to look at and to know like what type of learning that you do. And I think there's actual ways that you can test and check like what your learning style is. A lot of people that apply to vet school are very smart and they have actually coasted through like high school part of undergrad. And so sometimes as they get into those harder classes, it's actually an adjustment to kind of say, oh, wait a second, this is not as easy as it's been in the past. So learning those things early and in undergrad are really, really helpful. Anything else you can add to the whole classes school part of it. Okay, so the next part that I thought would be important to talk about, which is kind of with the research side of things is hands on experience. Let me, I'm trying to decide like how I can say this. So it is a little surprising to me that people will apply to vet school and never have worked with a veterinarian. And it's really a good thing to tell you to me that people that are interviewing potential vet students would allow people into vet school without that. In my opinion, I think that, you know, potentially people could say, you know, I volunteered some of the shelter or I helped arrest you. Or if they're smart enough and they had good enough like other things grades, things like that. I mean, they probably could get away with saying like, I had minimal like I visited that with my parents. There are people who have like shadowed maybe one afternoon at a vet hospital and like that's their extent of their experience and then they're going to school. I do totally understand that based on where you are, it can be hard to get experience. So there are areas where that's or not is common. There's areas where certain demographics might not have like access to that or the ability to get to a hospital and shadow. There are some parameters around like if you're able to do it or not. But in general, if you want to go into a certain field, I think you should experience it. And I don't know how else to say that. I would agree. I mean, and again, that's not just veterinary specific. I think it's any field, but specifically fields where you're going for a secondary degree. If I'm going to spend all that time, energy, money, doing it, I want to make sure this is what I want to do. I would get as much handle experience so you can know what it's really like. It's not just playing with puppies all day. There is a, I would say, for the people that come and like shadow with us or visit or even are in like the high school program, then come to an actual vet hospital. There's a pretty significant amount of them that say, this is not what I thought it was. And that's because yes, you're helping pets, but you're also dealing with a lot of very sick pets. And you're dealing with clients sometimes that became be difficult, you're dealing with pets that can be difficult, you're dealing with euthanasia. Like it is not playing with puppies and kittens and we say that all the time, but it still doesn't always like resonate with everyone. So it is important to try to spend time either volunteering, shadowing, or working in a hospital if possible. And if you're an undergrad, there's a couple of things you can do. You can work at the vet school and you can be a student worker in different departments. I worked in the chemistry lab when I was like a young undergrad and then as I got farther along, I actually went over and worked at the large animal ICU at the vet school and helped with treatments. The nice thing about being a student worker in colleges, they pretty much say like, when can you work, what are the hours? You make like no money, right per hour, but you're getting experience and you're making connection. These also get the networks of the networking connections part of that huge too. You don't know who's evaluating those applications they come in or who's going to be sitting in an interview. All that networking could be worth your time and energy. Working in a large animal ICU is huge. I knew a lot of the techs and the professors by the time I got into that school, and especially in my clinical year, I knew how the ICU was run. Everything was like the comfort level I had was much higher, but the connections were great and having like a reference from those people was huge. So I do think that there's a lot of opportunity in your school should have like a student worker job site with job descriptions. Like I said, I started in the chemistry lab cleaning like glassware for chemistry. And then I started like looking for other positions and found more and more. You do them in, you know, you know, different departments than you can kind of find what works for you. So that's a good way to do it. And the same goes for research. So I didn't do research and undergrad, but there are student worker positions in research labs where you go in and you run alliances and you run analysis. Actually, I did. I'm lying. I worked for a statistics person for a little bit and did like a really short research project. And actually, it's all coming back to me now. I'm too old. When I got into that school, one of the research projects I did was doing statistical analysis and helping come up with all that for a big goat project for knee-crime vet. So you did a product with some pigs. I did pigs and goats and actually those are interesting because so we had to do a lot of blood draws and both were kind of dramatic because goats have you ever heard you've heard a goat like cry, right? It sounds like a child. Like it sounds like an actual human child. And so we would walk in the barn and we were there to like draw blood and do stuff or they were going to be fed. Those are the two reasons people would come to barn. And so you go in there and it sounded all of some like 50 children screaming at you. And so we're trying to get it like done quickly, get the analysis that we need to get out of there. The pigs are actually not very nice. It was a cool project where we were taking Oreos and we were putting brick control in the double stuffed Oreos and feeding them to the pigs because they were trying to find ways to control like wild pig herds out in the world. So a way that they could like deliver brick control to them and they could eat it and it would help. So you would have that I don't know anything about science. I'm a finance guy, but how are you going to stuff for you to full of birth control and throw them out to control the wild pig population. I just don't understand that concept. I mean, this is like a waste of a lot of money and energy. I don't think we're working on like the delivery. I'm just saying the Oreos were not the like long term plan. We were working on this project and missing a few pieces that were as we're going. No, we were working on does the medicine work. So our goal is does the medicine work not like what's something that a way that we can get it in the wild pigs. So there's a couple things on the first day, right? They're like walking us through and these were like huge wars and huge pigs. And so they were walking us through like safety and stuff. And they're like no one can go in a pen without someone else like like all this like very and I'm like these are pigs like seriously. And then they're like don't ever fall down in the pen. Like why get our fall down in the pig and they said like if you fall down in the pen and they can like bite your arm or your leg is like this and they can bite it. They're like they can like rip your arm or like what did I get myself into. I just kept thinking like this is for this experience is good look at my resume. But it was definitely an experience. And I kept thinking about I don't know if you ever but I think in like silence and the lambs or one of those movies they actually got rid of a body because they like fed a two group of pigs. And then it was like every time I had to go deal the pigs. I'm like I can go alone. I was like stressing out about it. So anyways, that's a total aside, but you can get research experience. It can actually be really interesting. It helped me meet a ton of great people get better recommendations for vet school. And it was very, very helpful to me. None of it meant I was going to research long term, but definitely helpful when I was applying to vet school. And when I was in vet school to continue to like grow my resume those things are still my resume the papers I'm on things like that are good. So enough about the pigs eating people. We're professionals in this podcast. So I think all that is really, really helpful hands on experience is good. Obviously you have to have access to it, but hopefully you can get that. I think it's important if you're in undergrad, you absolutely can get it even if you didn't get it before undergrad because you're going to be somewhere that's going to have that hospitals locally or have a vet school where you can absolutely find something that you can do. Now the other thing that I think is really important and this is kind of the one will end on. But I think if you're trying to go to vet school and you want to set yourself up for success, I think the mental prep of it is also important. So I was privileged in the fact that I was in vet school at a school that I went to for undergrad. I knew where everything was. I had a group of friends that all scot in the school and I had you. We got married between first and second year. So I had somebody. Our child screaming. And we had children. So I had somebody, you know, we got married and I had somebody who would make sure our animals were fed at home who, you know, could help out if like I didn't have food and I was stuck at school and I just had that level of support not everyone has. And I think that that is important to have to set up like a support system if possible. And if you are not able to do that and you're going into a school setting, and especially if you maybe already struggle with like anxiety or stress, like handling those situations, I think utilizing things and undergrad to set yourself up to have a good foundation is important. So a lot of universities will actually have like free therapy, three, like free sessions that you can talk to somebody at the on campus, like medical facility. And I think knowing what resources are available, knowing what you might struggle with in vet school and how to kind of prepare yourself for that is also really important. And you from like the outside looking in during that school, did you feel like it was a stressful experience compared to like other things that you had seen in your college career. There was nothing more intense than undergrad for sure. Now we'll say that you and your group of friends never came across as like super stressed out. I mean, there's a lot of lights out of the chicken and other places. I know that it came across as stressful, but I've got several buddies who are in med school and other things in their schedule seemed a lot more lax as compared to y'all's. Yeah, I mean, you spend a lot of time at school because you have to learn about so many species and there's so many other things. I will admit, my group of friends was like a work hard play hard group. So we would hunker down when we needed to, but we absolutely knew that we had to do things that weren't just related to school in vet medicine. And we needed to like refill our tanks and a lot of us enjoyed spending time together and cooking out and going dancing and things. And that is important to know like how is your tank refill and thinking like I'm gonna go to school, go home and I'm not ever gonna do anything else. We'll wear you out. I think the other thing specifically for me and undergrad, I was trying to make grades to get out of school. I'm gonna slowly trying to learn and retain knowledge. I think as you get into a more professional degree, or even like in the last year, maybe before you get into vet school, you're really trying to retain knowledge and learn because there's something you want to do with your life. So I think undergrad, get those core classes out of the way, but then get to something that you really want to retain and learn. And I think going into vet school will part make the transitional bit easier because you retain some of that knowledge that you're gonna need right out of the gate. Yeah, taking the more advanced classes that are interesting and also feed into what you are gonna do is helpful. And then getting more like hands-on experience and whether that is research or volunteering somewhere or working at a hospital reminds you of like why you're doing everything you're doing. And being around animals or being around people that have the same appreciation of things to be really helpful. Our kid is standing outside the door. You can come in. It's okay. So that probably means we need to wrap it up because our kid is here and we need to help him out. We appreciate you guys listening. If you enjoyed the podcast, you can leave a review on any of the podcast episode places at Spotify or Apple. We love to hear your feedback. We love to hear your questions. I hope this answer the question for this pre vet student. Good luck if you all are applying. We love to hear if you are applying. If you get in, I love those stories. And reminder, we are not professionals. We're just sharing our experience and our thoughts about all this. And if you have anything you want to add, definitely let us know at questions with Crocker. Thank you so much. Send us questions. Yes. And Corbin says hi. Thanks to you guys and have a great day.(knocking)