A Life in Six Songs
A Life in Six Songs is a music-interview podcast focused on those particular songs that have a strong connection in each of our lives. These are not necessarily your favorite songs, but rather those times music was seared into your memory attached with what you were going through at the time.
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So many of the discussions around music are about who the better band is or why a certain genre is not as good as another. Those discussions miss what is so fundamental about our interaction with and enjoyment of music. Here, we lead with Love, Kindness, and Curiosity, to counter the Hate, Anger, and Judgment in the world (and there is a lot of it!) We are a judgment-free zone where we do not critique our taste in music, but are focused on understanding the unique role music has played in each guest’s life.
"Don't ask me how I survived. Ask me what song I played on repeat when I thought my whole world was over."
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A Life in Six Songs
Beatboxer Tyler “TylaDubya” Weisbeck: Exploring Music’s Powerful Influence
On this episode, we sit down with Tyler Weisbeck, better known as beatboxer and content creator, TylaDubya. Tyla takes us back to early musical memories with Phil Collins’ “In the Air Tonight,” and then we learn how “My Humps” by the Black Eyed Peas changed his life and got him into beatboxing (which then led him to meet his future wife!). We also hear the story of how he proposed to his now wife during a music video shoot for a song they wrote together, “Waves.” Other powerful musical moments are captured by “Weekends!!!” by Skrillex, “This War Is Ours (The Guillotine II)” by Escape The Fate, and “If I'm James Dean, You're Audrey Hepburn” by Sleeping With Sirens. It's a journey of music’s powerful ability to guide one’s life and bring about dramatic changes that forever alter its path.
YouTube of Waves (feat. Cassie)
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Follow your hosts David, Raza, and Carolina every other week as they embark on an epic adventure to find the songs that are stuck to us like audible tattoos that tell the story of who we are and where we’ve been, to help us figure out where we’re going. It’s a life story told through 6 songs.
WHO WE ARE
DAVID: Creator & Host @ALifeinSixSongs
Facilitator & Educator | Music-Based Healing | Musician | Curiosity with Loving Kindness
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Storyteller | Professional Facilitator
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Lawyer | Producer | Solo Project: Solamente | @razaismyname
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I had a friend of mine who was like, dude, check out this beatbox cover I can do. And you know, at the time I didn't know, I didn't know anything about beatboxing, like absolutely nothing. My knowledge of beatboxing was probably like boots and cats, like not much past that. And he came in and he did like like a really basic, like not, that was probably even more complex than what he showed me Right and immediately I. Even more complex than what he showed me right and immediately I was like holy shit, wait, I listened to the black eyed peas and I like that which I. The black eyed peas were the thing I listened to when I was younger. Um, I don't know why, but I did. Um, and I was. I was like I need to immediately learn this. I also I didn't even know you could do that with your mouth, and so then I immediately went to youtube and started looking up everything about beatboxing that night.
Speaker 2:Hey, everybody, welcome to A Life in Six Songs, where, on each episode, we embark on an epic trip with our guests to find the songs that are stuck to us like audible tattoos, that tell the story of who we are and where we've been, to help us figure out where we're going. It's a life story told through six songs. I'm your host, David Reese, and I'm joined by my co-host, Carolina and Raza. Hey, hey, Hello. On this show.
Speaker 2:We come to these conversations with love, kindness and curiosity to counter the prevalence of hate, anger and judgment we see in the world. Our guiding view with a nod to Ted Lasso is be curious, not judgmental. Our goal is that by listening to these stories, you can bring more love, kindness and curiosity into your own life. With that, let's go have a listen together. Our guest today is Tyler Weisbeck, better known as beatboxer Tyler W. Tyler began beatboxing in 2010 and since then has competed in international beatbox battles, performed in an acapella group and developed a large social media following as a content creator, he focuses on both the education of and entertainment with the art of beatboxing.
Speaker 2:Tyler, welcome to A Life in Six Songs. Hi, thank you for having me Appreciate it. Yeah, we're excited to have you here so to just kick us off before we get into your actual six songs that are going to tell your story. We'd just like to warm up with kind of a general question to kind of set the stage, you know. So if you could just tell us a little bit, you know, how do you see music fitting into your life? What role does music play in your life?
Speaker 1:I mean, okay, so because I'm a beatboxer, music is everything, right. I just, you know, I beatbox 24 7, so I'm always surrounded by music, whether I am listening to it or I am, just, you know, performing it, and I feel like it's kind of shaped every element of my life in that respect, because it's like I met my wife through music, because we were in an acapella group, you know, and just because of beatboxing that got me to the acapella group in the first place. There's a whole, there's a whole like bunch of story with that stuff. But I just feel like every aspect of music has just shaped my life in that regard and it's kind of hard not for it to when, again, as a beatboxer, I'm hearing music in my head 24, seven. So then I beatbox it.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if that was a, if I described it enough, but I feel like that's the answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, and I think you said it great, you know, because for some people music may not be their life in the sense of it, as it is like for you. They're maybe not a musician or a beatboxer or something like that, but it still has a strong part of their life in that way, and so we always like to just ask that question, because it sort of lets people kind of share, like, oh, they might be a lawyer by trade Raza, but you know, music is still a huge part of our life. But yeah, I think you know you said it great of just yeah, it is your life in that, in that way.
Speaker 2:So which is also why we're excited to have you on the show. So, yeah, we're gonna pass it over to Carolina. Who's gonna get us going with your first question and first song?
Speaker 3:We're going to pass it over to Carolina. Who's going to get us going with your first question and first song? All right, I think let's start at the beginning, right? Young growing up parents.
Speaker 1:What's a song that reminds you of your parents? So there's like general genres, but I feel like if I was to pick a song, I'd probably say like In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins, because like Phil Collins is like one of my mom's like favorite artists and I feel like she does. She's not like heavy into music, right, no-transcript television, like there was these channels in like the 9000s or the 900s, some like ridiculous number that no one ever uses, and it would just play music on loop. It was just like, I guess, like a station for TV and she would always put on this like easy listening, like early, like I don't know, like I don't know what year decade Phil Collins was specifically, but whatever you know decade that was, and it would just like play all that music on loop. I specifically just remember this song, I don't know why, I just stuck out and she really liked Phil Collins.
Speaker 2:Here we go Phil Collins in the air tonight. Such a great song it really is. I'm so, so happy we got this song on the show. You know there's these kinds of songs that have been, you know, in episodes we've done, where I'm like, yes, this is a song that needs to be on a show where we're talking about people's lives and music, cause it's, this is a song that's in everyone's life, I think in some way. If you've been in the live 30, 40 years somehow you have some memory connected to this song?
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, so tell, tell us more about you know growing up with music. Was it a musical household?
Speaker 1:no, um, no, I would honestly say no, um. Growing up, it's like funny because, like I wanted to, there was periods of my life where I wanted to learn to play drums, or I wanted to learn to play guitar, and I went through these like interests, but then my parents were like, oh, you'll get bored in 10 seconds, so they never bought it for me, so I never got the opportunity to do that, right? Um, and so that's eventually why I started beatboxing, right, because I don't need an instrument, I could just do that it's my own.
Speaker 2:You are the instrument.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly uh prior to that, I tried to learn how to scream. That didn't go very well. I need to. I need to actually follow up on that and learn how to scream properly, but um are there beatbox screamers out there?
Speaker 1:are there, like heavy metal beatboxers, that kind of work, that in there is one that I'm familiar with I forgot what country is from where I've heard them use screaming vocals in their beats before. Um, I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we do that isn't like I guess metal screams like I kind of incorporate one something I do. It's I learned, I learned it from like a I got inspired from bring me the horizon. There was like a thing they did in one of the really old albums where there was like I stuttered, like a scream and it was sick, and so I use that one of my things.
Speaker 1:I think, beatboxers in general, we do a lot of like basis anyways. Like yeah, we're already kind of doing vocal techniques like that and some people just push it to different levels. But I haven't heard a whole lot of like metal scream, which is why I want to learn and like incorporate it myself, to be crazy. But to circle that back to growing up with music, I get sidetracked really quickly. You'll pick up on that and I'll just yap forever, no worries.
Speaker 1:So we like to say, hey, we have the songs and that gives us our structure, and then we just, wherever the conversation goes, it goes so I think, aside from my mom just constantly playing those easy listening channels on, you know, tv, um, I feel like, outside of that, like my dad always played classic rock in the cars. It was always again, it was the same like radio stations that would loop the same songs on repeat, but he was like a huge classic rock guy. But I feel like that, at the extent of that, there wasn't a whole lot of like music that I'm like aware of. Um, that I'm thinking about right now. That's kind of why, again, why I started beatboxing, because I just I don't need an instrument, yeah, yeah it sounds like that old saying of uh, uh, what is it?
Speaker 4:necessity is the mother of all invention. Right, something, something to that effect it's like you, you wanted drums, you know, and and, um, for whatever reason you know, the folks were like no, it's too loud, too expensive. Whatever the case might be, I think that's what it was right, yeah, and you went around like you know what I'm gonna do this shit anyway, I'm gonna figure out a way and the way is beatboxing. Yeah, I wasn't like I guess.
Speaker 1:I guess that wasn't the reason why I started beatboxing. But we'll get to that in a bit. But it just I guess I kind of just fell into like the trope of like yeah, because I didn't have an instrument, so then just kind of worked out, but yeah, yeah yeah, but it sounds like what you were saying, like you wanted to play drums, you wanted to play guitar.
Speaker 2:You, you had a musical interest early on.
Speaker 1:That is true, like you were interested in music?
Speaker 3:yeah, that is definitely true I think this song too, like like david said, you know it's, it's a part of so many of our childhoods. But like this is this song even lives on today, like you'll hear it in music, I mean, you'll hear it in movies, you'll hear it in commercials, you're hearing it and then, as I was listening to you playing the clip, david, I was remembering that it's like in reels.
Speaker 3:Now you know it gets to the to the part of the drum fill and it'll be like somebody falling like making noises like hitting things on the way down. I've seen those, yeah, so it's like it just keeps living on in iterations yeah, yeah, for sure, it's so good you know, phil collins son now plays in his live band and there's clips of him.
Speaker 4:You know, learning that iconic phil from phil, not to use that pun drum, phil. Oh, it's about to get so, so nerdy but, yeah, I mean talk about generational, you know, um connections there. Yeah, this is just one of those songs that just keeps living and watching his son playing his father's iconic you, you know song and drum fill and everything it's it's. It's certainly, you know, one one generation you know, added on now.
Speaker 3:So I'll I'll say I've shared before. I saw Phil Collins as a kid in concert and it was one of the best concerts still today and I've ever seen. It was like a rotating circular stage and at one point he gave the whole band like a break and then he went around to every single instrument and played like a solo. That's wow it was the coolest thing I had ever seen as a kid and still to this day like, yeah, he was just, he was awesome amazing.
Speaker 1:Honestly, it's so impressive when people could play multiple instruments like I. I honestly I've tried to pick up guitar once or twice since and I haven't like, fully dedicated myself to it. But to be able to play like multiple instruments, that's wild. Like that's just impressive.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it requires like completely different parts of the brain too. Like you know what it takes to do drums versus you know piano or keyboards and then other stringed instruments, and then you've got like brass and it's. It's completely different, you know. I mean, I know I'll speak for myself. I can you guys see some guitars back there. I can do that, but I couldn't play keyboards or piano to save my life. But and then, and then, it's always amazing for me to to see people that are using multiple hands to do like a bass part on one hand and the melody part on the on, on, on, on, on, on the other hand. It's, it's crazy, it's awesome yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in some ways too, it's like. It's like the physical bodily ability, right. It's like what they talk about with language, right, If you don't learn a certain language like if, like, I speak a little bit of Spanish, right, but I didn't learn Spanish when I was young and so I will always have an accent with it and there'll be certain sounds I can't make with my mouth unless I, like I'd have to really really train, train, train, train, train. But it's just because my mouth has grown up to not make those sounds. And so I think it's similar with with instruments in ways, because, like I know, with me as a drummer, I can get my four limbs going all different kinds of ways, but my individual fingers not so much, right. So it's this shift like having to do guitar is like so, so difficult in ways. I wonder, tyler too, with, like, beatboxing, like you clearly are skilled with making music and incredible sounds with your mouth, do you think you could be a singer, like, would that translate, or is it completely different speaking english to spanish or something?
Speaker 1:okay, so a few things, few things. One, um, singing is completely different. Uh, I, in my, in my opinion, I'm not a very good singer, right, I've never trained in it, I've never done anything with that.
Speaker 1:If I could learn to sing so many things in my beatboxing, sound palette would improve because there's so many sounds that need to be pitched and need to be controlled pitched and if you can sing right, that's just going to be improved completely.
Speaker 1:And there are many beatboxers out there that are very talented singers and because of that, like they can create more full compositions in a different style that I can't do so like. I typically focus more on like, like hardcore dubstep, edm stuff, because I'm not as confident in my singing abilities, right, where, if I was to get on the stage and perform, I feel like it's just maybe it's more of a confidence issue with that, right, um, sure, that's why I'll stick more to like the powerful stuff that I know that I can do. Meanwhile, other beatboxers can go on there, sing and then they can like pitch all their bases and everything properly and it's so. Yeah, um, I don't think they correlate necessarily. I think they're too completely. I think they work well together. I think they're two different things, um, and I feel like a lot of people might disagree with that in the beatboxing community Because I there. To me it's like singing is a different aspect than beatboxing, even though they kind of go hand in hand, if that makes sense, sure.
Speaker 2:And there's probably different opinions, like you said. You know, just like in any community, drummers or guitarists or painters or whatever, like someone who might be more of a you know, I don't know the exact terminology, but a singing beatboxer, right, what you described there that has that ability, might see them as more in line, right, because that's their experience, right. So it's kind of that thing of what your experience is.
Speaker 1:And what you were talking about too. You're talking about in terms of like, age and learning, specific languages and stuff like. It's actually interesting when you actually look at beatboxing, where even beatboxers because beatboxing is like a worldwide thing, like I can point out beatboxes from like every country, but like from each country depending on, like, maybe certain language, um, likes, I guess, specifics, right like their beatbox and they might have different sounds.
Speaker 1:That like are oh sure representative of their language and how they talk, and I think that's really interesting. I don't have specific examples off top my head, but like I do know I've seen some beatboxes from different countries and I'm like, oh shit, that's like a normal thing, like your language, but it's like. It's like, I guess, easier to learn for beatboxing where it might not be as easy for somebody else, right, where, right, their language doesn't utilize that certain, like I don't know, tongue formation or some shit sure, right, totally.
Speaker 3:Like you know, I'm a native spanish speaker. Um, and we we like literally one of the letters of our alphabet are two r's, right where we roll our r's, it's not a common sound uh right in english, but so that probably yeah, would translate into beatboxing no, no, very much so.
Speaker 1:Like I mean, for one of the sounds that I'm more known for is rolling r's right, but in like more exaggerated tones. So it's like not like it's like like rolling r's, it's more, it's like you're really pushing out the r, but like when you try to explain rolling r's, like if you were a native spanish speaker you'd be like oh done, easy, cool I don't need to explain that I get it you know what I mean right.
Speaker 2:If you were to teach us right now, carolina would probably pick up that sound. Yes, easier than probably, because I can't roll my r's in spanish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right and so so that I guess that's my point. It's like I guess that was a really good emphasis and great pull on that, um so, yeah, I think I think that's. That's what's interesting about beatboxing a little bit. It's just because it does span so many nationalities and ethnicities and everything where it's just like you see so much variance, right that's awesome.
Speaker 3:All right, um, let's move on to your next song. Um, talking about like new perspectives, as we're talking about like international influences, you know that can give you new perspectives as well. So, for this next song, what is a song that opened you up to an entirely new perspective?
Speaker 1:all right, that one, that one's easy. It's just gonna fan into everything we just said, um, and it's not gonna make sense when I say that's why it's gonna take a little bit of an explanation, but it is, uh, my humps by the black eyed peas and for a little context here, because that's not something you normally think to open up your eyes to a new perspective, right? Um, it was junior year chemistry class in high school, so 2010 and I had a friend of mine who was like dude, check out this beatbox cover I can do. And you know, at the time I didn't know. I didn't know anything about beatboxing, like absolutely nothing. My knowledge of beatboxing was probably like boots and cats, like not much past that. And he came in and he did like like a really basic, like not, that was probably even more complex than what he showed me.
Speaker 1:Right, and immediately I was like holy shit, wait, I listened to the black eyed peas and I like that which I, a black eyed peas, were a thing I listened to when I was younger. Um, I don't know why, but I did, um, and I was. I was like I need to immediately learn this. I also I didn't even know you could do that with your mouth. And so then I immediately went to youtube and started looking up everything about beatboxing that night and just like, immediately fell in love with it. So like when I say, like that song opened up my eyes to like a whole new perspective, it's just like that just changed like the trajectory of my life completely, which sounds dramatic, but it's really not, because once I like once I listened to that cover and went to youtube and learned beatboxing um, I discovered so many beatboxers from like the uk and from russia and all these places.
Speaker 1:I was like what the fuck? Like this is like insane that there are one this many people that do this this well, and they were so far more talented than what he showed me in that you know class, which is why it was even more of a mind-blown situation. But then, like, because I then discovered beatboxing, my spanish teacher in high school later, like that year, was like you're going to college, you should look up this acapella group at this college and join that.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I joined the right group, but I joined acapella and that's where I met my wife and you know that's. That's why it's like an open to new perspective, because it just shifted my trajectory of life in like a weird way that I didn't ever would have predicted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nice, absolutely, wow, wow, yeah, I mean that's something we definitely talk about on this show in like a weird way that I never would have predicted yeah, nice, absolutely Wow, wow, yeah, I mean that's something we definitely talk about on this show with our guests. We, you know those moments where music played a part. It was either there at a pivotal point, or here it's clearly it is the pivotal point, right, the music is caused the pivot and changed the trajectory of your life in a way where, yeah, you probably can't even imagine, like, if that song wasn't there, if that interaction didn't happen, like where would you be right, who knows right? Like because it gave you this, you know, passion, career, and just like, like more than just like oh, this is what I do.
Speaker 2:It's like this is who you are and connected you to the worlds where you met your, your partner and wife, and all of that, so yeah seriously, it really was like it's like.
Speaker 1:And then, because I started beatboxing like that year, I became known as like the beatbox kid in high school where I eventually did some like talent show. I wish it wasn't. It wasn't like the legitimate talent show. There was like a weird like um joke, male pageant thing they did in high school and so there was like a talent portion of that where I did the beatboxing portion of that and then I even beatbox at the senior prom or something like that.
Speaker 1:So I became known as like the beatboxer there right um, and then I just kept doing it in college and still doing it now.
Speaker 3:So yeah, nice it's amazing how it happens like in this way of like a lightning strike, right, you're just like minding your own business, and not only were you like that's really cool, but it sort of feels like it like consumed you. You're like I need to learn this I need to do this right?
Speaker 2:yeah, it sounds like it sounds like when you describe it it wasn't like sometimes things like that can plant a seed right. That takes a little bit of time and like after the fact you can look back and go oh, I didn't realize it at the time, but that was something right.
Speaker 1:Here it seems more like it wasn't a seed, it was an immediate, like passion that that started no, it really was like I'm like, I'm serious, like I don't know if you guys have looked up beatboxing at all, like on youtube and stuff like that. But like, if you got, if you like, just google beatboxing, you find anything from like any of the respect like the big, known, respectable beatboxers. You'll just be like what, what the fuck like? People are so insane with what they do and like. Even when I think back to like the people that I first watch, just like the way it's evolved over 10 years is it's disgusting.
Speaker 1:Like the level just gets increased so much because it's like I guess my point is like it hasn't been around for very long, comparatively to like other instruments, right, sure, it's like. Sure, with other instruments that are more common, maybe with guitar and stuff, maybe it's not as easy to have like I guess and rosa you can, you guys can correct me because you guys play more instruments than I do but like, how often is it where you see someone do something new on a guitar where you're like what the fuck like? I mean, I feel like there's more guitars but beatboxers like I feel like it's still kind of budding, where it's like somebody will come up with a new sound and no one's ever heard it before and we're just like what are you doing?
Speaker 1:like they're like incorporating like yodel, like double voices and things with zippers and like it. It's getting crazy, but I don't know where I was going with this tangent.
Speaker 1:But I think the point was when I immediately discovered it 10 years ago, at the level it was, it was still mind-blowing. So I can't even imagine, I guess, like if I was to google today where I'd I don't know, maybe I'd be more overwhelmed now because I'm like right, and be like oh, I, I, I have no idea because, like back then, it was definitely more basic. I mean, back then in 20, what was that?
Speaker 1:10, 2011, something like that like beat boxes were just learning how to use like throat bass, like like. That wasn't even common. Now it's like every beat boxer has that within the first year of beat boxing, when that was just being developed back then. So it's like really weird, the level gets increased so fast the way you're describing it.
Speaker 2:It reminds me very much of more of what you might call the extreme sports, or like X game sports like BMX, skateboard, snowboarding, those types of things. Right, it was like people were doing jumps and doing different things and then all of a sudden, people were just inventing brand new things, like the first time someone did like a backflip on a dirt bike.
Speaker 2:Right, it was like, well, we didn't even know you could do that, right, and so then, it just kind of takes off and it, just the way you're describing beatboxing, feels like that same way of like X game sports, how it just in the past, like 30 years or so, is just kind of like not blown up in the sense of just got popular, but blown up in the sense of the creation of the sport has happened in these couple decades and like it's.
Speaker 1:No, it's been happening prior to us too. I'm not as well versed in my beatboxing history as I should be, but like um again, you know it's been going back to like rozelle and doggie fresh. If you guys have seen, like the movie space balls or police academy, you know you've seen beatboxers before and um, I guess what I'm with the whole x games thing, though it is kind of like that.
Speaker 1:I think I saw a clip or something recently where, like tony hawk, like back in the day, did the first like 900, and I could be wrong on that number two yeah, but now, like now, like a 13 year old kid did or someone really young did it right and say and it's like the same thing is happening with beatboxing, where these young kids are wanting to beatbox within a year.
Speaker 1:That took, you know me, years to get to, and I think that's insane, it's phenomenal, right, but it's because, like, maybe it's because you know the internet and media too, how there's so much more material at your fingertips to watch and consume, and I feel like maybe that plays that plays a role into the faster education of everything, because, again, we didn't have that.
Speaker 4:I mean, when I first started beatboxing, there was like maybe like two tutorial channels out there, right, which is why I eventually started making tutorials, because I was like I want to like start filling you know some more updated stuff I think you guys are all sort of we're all basically talking about the same thing in, in, in, in the, in the sense of um having an instrument and then sort of you know, learning it, then kind of perfecting it, then then revolutionizing it and then and then you add this sort of social media aspect of it which just blows up um. But but yeah, I think, uh, tyler, you mentioned, uh, you know, guitar. I mean, like back in the 80s, like when eddie van halen came out right with the whole like tapping guitar tapping. No one had heard anything like that. It sounded like like a classical um instrument, um, but played on it on a guitar. People were wondering how do you play that many notes using just you know your five fingers? And you realize, oh, he's using his other finger as well. I mean, it's like the equivalent of 10, you know 10 fingers, making 10 different notes on different octaves and stuff like that.
Speaker 4:In the same way that you guys you know, in the, in the beatboxing world you know it might be much younger, like in the, maybe in the last 10, 15, 20 years or so I know the idea of beatboxing has been around since the 80s. I think you mentioned uh, dougie, fresh, um, when hip-hop was just getting started on mtv there'd be like little breaks and stuff. But then, you know, I like when I learned about for my kids actually, I learned, hey know, there's this amazing like YouTuber in our neighborhood dad, his name is Tyler W. I'm like what the fuck? What? Okay, beatboxing. And I was expecting you know some very basic stuff.
Speaker 4:But then when we started you know talking, and frankly, I mean, you opened my eyes to this world of beatboxing that I had no idea existed and the shit that you guys are doing is just amazing. So it's definitely at this level right now, where it's. I've never seen anything like it before. And, yeah, it would be cool to see sort of where it goes from here, whether it's like tutorials, like you're doing, or, you know, just coming up with new interesting sounds. So yeah, by the way, so how do you find inspiration for like new, new sounds, what? What is it? Is it just coming from practice? Is it, is it accidental? Is it trying to replicate things that you might hear, like in the edm world or in the pop world, like what's your what's? What's the formula?
Speaker 1:yeah, uh, accidental, um, so I think it's gonna be as most revolutions are accidental.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gonna be a combination of a few things, right, so I listen to a lot of like my like general music taste is more of like metal, um, and just kind of, I guess, rock in general, um, but I guess I do also, um, I guess now it's more occasional than it used to be, but dubstep and like hardcore rhythm and edm and everything, and I feel like that would influence a little bit. But like I would only be able, I would only try to replicate with the sound palette I already have. So like I don't know if that makes sense, like so if I, if I they were, they were doing certain things, I try to figure out what I have and how I can make my sounds work into that if I was to cover it or something like that.
Speaker 1:Discovering new sounds typically for me has always been accidental.
Speaker 1:So because I'm b-boxing all the time, occasionally I'll just do some weird combination of like two sounds on my co, shit hold up, and then I'll record a little bit on my phone to make sure I don't forget that and then, like, if it ended up being good, it'll just get worked eventually more and more um, but with beatboxing I don't.
Speaker 1:It's so weird because, again, I'm telling you like new sounds are discovered, for so frequently where I see it's like, it's kind of like uh, I don't know how to explain it it's like one beatboxer will do something, it'll go like mad viral within the community and then, like every other beatboxer, will start to learn the sound pretty quickly after. If it was good enough, right, and so it's like I feel like that's where also a lot of inspiration comes from is like and then because then once they once, once you learn one sound as you can learn to combo with another. So I keep like talking over here, but once we learn one sound and you come I don't know why I get to the side of the mic, so pulls in the way.
Speaker 1:Um, once you learn one sound, then like it adds to your palate and then you like your brain works in different ways, you want to combine it with another sound so it's kind of just like you have to try to add new stuff every single time, um, and constantly evolve, which is very difficult, um, the more you get solidified in your style and what you do beatboxing wise, so like, learn new stuff and then figure out how to work that in, but so it's like, but those are the people who stay at the top, the people who do that like it's like, because so many people are learning how to beatbox so quick, you have to like almost evolve or perfect your style. It's like one of the two, um, but yeah, mostly I don't know yeah, do you do you find?
Speaker 4:sorry, just, but yeah, mostly I spell the interesting sort of new things that you've done, um, and now you're stuck. For example, do you find the breakthrough in just sort of more practice or or just taking a break from everything and coming back to it maybe a week later or two weeks later or whatever?
Speaker 1:so I actually hit this about a year ago. So a year ago I was filming a video where I wanted to train like a specific world, like champion beatboxer so, and like I'm friends with him, so I interviewed him and I asked a bunch of questions on how he trained. He's like oh, I did about two hours a day, you know, and stuff like that absolutely phenomenal beatboxer collapse from france, insane, the most talented percussion based beatboxer you'll ever see. Um, but the point is, in that training process to film that video, I was doing two hours a day and I dedicated specific chunks of that time to developing music and yeah, it was very frequently where I'd be like I have no fucking idea what to do here. I'm hitting a roadblock, I, but I still have 45 minutes left to go in the session and I have to do shit.
Speaker 1:And I guess, like for me at least, with music, it's never worked for me to like, force my way through it, like to like, just like to bulldoze through it's like.
Speaker 1:That's why it's like I don't think I've developed a whole lot in a little bit, because I've focused more on content creation now, which I need to get back to focusing on music as well, but in the past, when I was more pushing my own music on the side things back in college and stuff like that it was always like if I hit a roadblock I wouldn't ever be able to like force my way through.
Speaker 1:It would have to be like it just hit one day where, like I was like just you know, fucking washing my hands, doing the dishes or taking a shower, that was like boom, like I got it, and it was just like hit out of nowhere. Like. And again, like with every idea I typically get, I have like a voice memo that's just full of like hundreds, if not thousands, of voice memos that are just ideas, because I I'll forget a rhythm. Even if I'll remember something, I might forget the rhythm or the pitch or something. So I record it all and sometimes, like I'll go back through and I'm like, oh wait, that would work really well with that piece and I could fill the gap here with this. So mainly random, mainly I wait for the inspiration just to kind of hit, because I guess I don't know, I've never been able to force my way through music and I don't know if that's really like an inspired way to do it anyways for me.
Speaker 4:So yeah, Calculated, calculated, uh randomness.
Speaker 1:Kind of Except not calculating Cause I don't know when it's ever going to hit.
Speaker 3:Right, right, all right. Um, so, given that this friend uh kind of alerted you to this new perspective, or exposed you to this new perspective like we're always grateful for friends and the music that they bring us and give us, does he know he like changed your life in that way? Before I go to our next song here, so I don't, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's one of those things where it's like we personally kind of like lost touch. I didn't really keep in touch with too many people after high school, um, but I feel like I kind of lost touch with him, but so I don't know if he has, but I feel like he probably does, considering it's really random, but my brother, who's like seven years younger than me, um his girlfriend right now, ended up rooming with him because they're both like nurses at the same.
Speaker 1:You know, like things it's like a weird, like full circle event, right like this kid that taught me how to beatbox, which changed the trajectory of my life, is now rooming with my brother's girlfriend. It was very strange. It was very full circle and weird. Um, so I'm sure on some level he has found out. You know, he probably also sees what I do to a degree. Um, so he probably is like, oh shit, I did that and that's probably.
Speaker 3:I don't know but yeah, I have no idea. Yeah Well, thanks, kyle. Um, all right. So, speaking of friends, uh, sometimes music um just reminds us of, of those folks that we just like love spending time with. So, for your next song, um, what is that song that reminds you of just a good friend or a group of friends in your life?
Speaker 1:see, I feel like there's a lot with a lot like right, but I feel like because, like you know, I have certain songs that are more like, I guess, more free, like current life, where, like there's like um kingslayer I bring with the horizon, but like the one, like, I guess, when you think I have like a very specific memory with this, where it's like um weekends by skrillex, where I remember specifically back like senior year of high school. I feel like it's so weird how these two questions are both in high school. I haven't even talked or thought about high school in a while.
Speaker 2:It's one of the goals of the show. Take us back.
Speaker 1:But I remember specifically this song, I don't know why. It was a group of friends and we all went to an amusement park King's dominion and we were like we're going to film a stupid fucking music video and were like we're gonna film a stupid fucking music video, and I don't know if it was actually the intent to go there and do it. But again, I've been creating content for a very long time in my life. Right, I I started back in middle school creating content which I don't even know how that's like what, how fuck. I don't know how young, I don't know the age of anything but middle school, where I was just creating. You know some videos from my friends which I'm sure are still on the internet somewhere, um, but the point is and so I've always made videos to them I do was like senior year of high school.
Speaker 1:We were done, I think, with high school that when they were summer and we went to an amusement park and we were like we're gonna film a music video for this. So it was just like a video where we just filmed dumb shit in the amusement park. Nothing made sense, it was so stupid. But then, like, I edited it to a music video because, again, I've been creating content forever, so I just have this like and I don't. I don't think that's on the internet anymore. I don't have. I would have given it to you if I had the you know the actual file for, but god, that's like it's 12 years ago now.
Speaker 1:It's an old computer at my parents house, it's probably been trashed at this point yeah um lost yeah it's just gone to the abyss right now. Yeah and I remember just uploading it and I'm pretty sure it got like demonetized because you know the licensing it just did not use, you know. And then I'm pretty sure and I also pretty sure I got a shit ton of dislikes because I'm pretty sure I titled it like music video when it's not the music video for it.
Speaker 3:So you know everyone's like right this isn't the fucking music.
Speaker 1:I'm like, well, no shit, this is a bunch of grainy ass footage in a car, like I don't know what you guys expect, but no, I just. It just reminds me of like that time, just like where you're just I don't know. No fucking stress in life where you're just like yeah, stupid. I like a fear fest you know, like October or something like oh, it was October.
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably wasn't.
Speaker 1:My timelines are off.
Speaker 2:That's all right, I'm the same way. Let's take a quick listen so everyone can know. Skrillex weekend Full disclosure. I love dubstep, I love electronic music. Just being a drummer when I first like when I was in college back in you know the late 90s, and you know breakbeat in Florida was huge. You know DJ Icy and these folks and you know preparing for this episode hearing this just again reminded me how much I love it and the the percussive aspect of it. But it also took on a different flavor because I've also been just watching a good amount of beatboxing this last week and preparing, you know um, you probably have seen some of the people that I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, you've mentioned a few names and I'm like, oh, I seen and I was, you know, watching a couple of your just like, and this is why I was like, okay, this song, for me in setting up the interview, has to be in here, because it feels so strongly connected to beatboxing. Like dubstep and beatboxing Just the sounds and things. There seems to be this similarity. So I was just really wanting to hear your viewpoint on that. I mean, you said you're a beatboxer that kind of does beatboxing, that is in that sort of genre. But I was curious if you could just tell us a little bit more about that relationship between the two, the two art forms.
Speaker 1:No, so like that's why I think it's like God, it's so interesting because, again, with beatboxing there are so many different styles and every artist has their own way, just like music. Right, it's like every beatboxer in a respect is their own musician, whether you know they're just doing percussion, they're working in vocals or whatnot. But like there are certain beatboxes who are known for just creating dubstep tracks, right where they're like there is one beatboxer, um, actually from virginia, uh, vocoda. He is a phenomenal dubstep beatbox. He's actually worked with excision and did a song with them and like his vocal bases are so controlled you can hop on a mic and go for like 30 plus minutes just fluid, non-stop, just dubstep rhythm, like you know, through and through. Um, but some like the first beatboxes I learned that were so heavily integrated with dubstep, like reaps. One like that's one of the first beatboxes I've learned from the uk and I'm pretty sure dubstep kind of originated out of the uk.
Speaker 1:So it was really interesting we saw a bunch of uk beatboxers doing dubstep at that time and learning how to integrate it into what they were doing and I feel like, because I listened to dubstep so much, that's how I started developing what I do, which is more like hardcore drops and dubstep and stuff like that where I don't know man, I, I just if I wish I I lost my train of thought here on this answer, but it's very heavily integrated and, um, yeah, I feel like I guess I kind of just one more off that. Um, when I mentioned like the uk beatbox is doing dubstep, it kind of goes back to like every country. You kind of like see every country's beatboxers.
Speaker 1:They all hit like a similar style, which is very interesting like you can hear a beatboxer like from the us and be like, yeah, they're from the us, I get that.
Speaker 1:Or like you can hear a beatbox from the uk, you can be like, oh yeah, like they'll do like maybe more drum and bass or dubstep, and like there are just certain things that you know the culture will influence, right, sure um or just even sound palettes and everything, like certain beatbox, because I mean, keep in mind too, like beatboxers we all kind of know each other to a respect, because it's not the largest community it's it's actually a lot bigger than I think but like in terms of people who like do meetups and stuff like that, like we all know each other so we learn sounds from each other, so it all kind of like integrates. So like america's known for more, like powerful, you know sounds, and like not necessarily dubstep, like powerful, like drops and stuff like that, where other countries might be focused on like just more melodic stuff or just groovy things.
Speaker 4:I don't know, I don't know if that makes sense, but yeah yeah yeah definitely, um, I'm I know, when I've seen, um, just different hip-hop artists coming up, um, whether it's asian, uh, whether it's european. You're absolutely right. I I hear the influences of the local, like you know, south asian music or east asian music or, you know, european, with, with the I'm guessing the beatboxers that are incorporating dubstep is probably more of like a european type vibe. Um, I know that I've, like, in watching some of the newer sort of bollywood related uh, music videos and things like that, there's this really cool influence of hip-hop, like, like you know, I guess, rap, raps and and the rhythmic structure in how hip hop is going, but then incorporate, like, local instrumentations and local sounds and things like that. And I can only imagine if there was, you know, a beatboxing element to that, that would just completely, you know, blow everything away.
Speaker 3:I'm I'm blown away by just how much it's evolved like, for for me, my earliest memory of beatbox is like bismarck key and that's so percussive and just ingrained in hip-hop. And so the fact that, like you've got like look at where we are today with dubstep.
Speaker 1:I mean it's bananas like I love the innovation.
Speaker 3:I think it's super, super cool. Um so, yeah, thanks for sharing that one. Oh, did you have something?
Speaker 2:else. I was just gonna ask one question, because you know we have a beatboxer on the show and you know, hey, he loves beatboxing, and so if we could, you know, open up our, our viewers eyes who might not be in the beatbox community, right, this show is not a life in six beatbox songs or something like that, right? So viewers could be coming from all different areas. I was curious not to kind of put you on the spot in this way, but in talking about those regional differences, can you give us I know you have your genre, that's yours and so that's the one you're the best at but could you give our listeners a taste of, like, what your style is and then, if you are able to do anything of a different style in any sense, what that might look like?
Speaker 1:so the answer is like I yeah I probably could but I would be doing a very poor representation of it because I say that. I say it to respect of, like you know, for what I do, like I've just developed my style around what I do, right. I could replicate one thing that beatboxes do a lot to do like copy melodies. So people would do like copy beats from other beatboxers and they'll integrate them into one video.
Speaker 1:That's nothing. That's something that I personally have not been very great at in the past, because I just people use certain sounds and just do certain things where it's just like maybe I can't do it to that degree of quality, right, so it's like I I don't ever try yeah, yeah, and right and and right.
Speaker 2:as I asked the question, this is also two of like, for you know beatbox, right, who we all are, the three hosts right, we know of it, but we know nothing about how it's done. Right, as I was asking the question using what we talked about before of kind of like the difference between knowing certain languages, I basically kind of asked you like, okay, some people speak English, some people speak Spanish and some people speak French. Could you give us an example of someone speaking English and then someone speaking French which you may not speak? Right? And you would be like, like, if someone asked me that, I'd be like no, I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to try and show you what French sounds like because I don't speak it.
Speaker 1:So the thing is it's not quite like.
Speaker 1:I know what you're saying. It's not quite like that like, because it's like I could replicate some beatboxer specific beats, like I could, but it would be still in my own style, right, because, like, sure, right, it would be like I can, I could do your pattern, I can do similar patterns, I can do structures that are the same, I can replicate your cover to a degree, but like, it would never be them. Because again, like, again, every, every, every beatbox sounds even like people will have different kicks or they'll have different snares, like there are some beatboxes who are known for how clean their is compared to other people, right, and so it's like I'll never be able to hit it exactly right, but trying to copy other beatboxers and practice their beats is a great way to evolve and push Right. I feel like it's something I used to do a lot Like when I first started beatboxing.
Speaker 1:There were a lot of beatboxers that I would do covers of on stage, like from the UK and things like that, and I just I eventually phased my own way out of that as I started developing my own original music and stuff like that, because I just felt like I wanted to push that more than trying to replicate other people. But I don't that doesn't. I don't want to diminish, like you know, the benefit of trying to learn from other beatboxers and replicate their stuff, because that is, that's just a great way to learn and to progress your own stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely all right, um, we've talked a lot about dubstep. We're gonna switch genres on on on here um, what's for your next song? What's a memorable time? Uh, when you were first exposed to a band's artist or music. What song was playing during that time? Um, yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1:okay. So growing up I listened to I would argue it was just a lot of radio stuff, right. So when I said, like I listened to a lot of black IPs I still have their CDs downstairs Like it was just radio stuff, right. So when I say, like you know, I listened to them, it's like I did and some of them are still bangers, but like I eventually like shifted out of that. But it only happened when I was shit. Yeah, it was when I was playing baseball. Right, I played baseball for a large chunk of my life.
Speaker 1:But there was one year where there's this kid on my team who we are friends, john, and he heavily tried to convince me to listen to a song and like it was a whole new genre. It was metal, it was like. It was like it was emo, right, it was like post-hardcore, like think of warp tour, and it was that. Right, it was um, this war is ours by escape the fate. Um. But there's like, there's like more than one version of it. I think it was um was like the guillotine or something like that part three, it was something weird. But the point is like um, because they have two different versions of two different albums.
Speaker 1:I, I listened to escape the fate. They're still good, um, not their new stuff, their old stuff. I don't know their new stuff. I'm rambling, but the point is he showed me the song in the dugout at baseball and I immediately was like I fuck, I don't like this. Like they're screaming, I don't like anything about this. In my head I don't think I said that in person, but I did not like it. Um, I think it was because he was trying to convince me at that time to like and maybe I didn't try to convince him until a little bit later uh, to join his band. He wanted me to play bass. I never played bass. He was even gonna buy me a bass and I'm pretty sure his band actually went and did some tours or something at some point. I remember seeing it for a bit but, um, never did it. But the point is I once I played that song, I remember like going back and listening to it and listening and like finding other songs along that same genre, track right, and eventually I came to like screaming and now I fucking love screaming right and I really appreciate it and it's so
Speaker 1:funny to me that when I think back my just immediate leg, I was appalled by it. I was like what the fuck? Like, no, this is not appealing to listen to. Now I'm like fuck, yeah, right, I want to learn how to scream, um. But yeah, no, I feel like that was a song, because now that that that genre is like the entirety of my music taste right now, once he played this I was like wait, what the fuck? Now I have like those albums on vinyl now and I listen to so many other bands that are along the same. It honestly shifted what I liked after I started to enjoy that within like a few months after hearing it.
Speaker 2:It's hysterical. Let's take a quick listen so we all know what you were exposed to and what changed the course of your musical taste. This is where we conquer fear. I'm breaking up with our swords. This war is ours, yeah.
Speaker 1:This war is ours.
Speaker 2:Yes, I will see you Through the smoking flames On the front lines of war. We have to find a better way and I will stand by. Yeah, it's such a, it's a, it's a, it's a good song for, like you can identify, like we played a little clip and there's more parts to it where you can identify, like a bunch of sub genres of metal playing out in there. Right, it's, it's I, I was, I was impressed by it. I was not as familiar with this, this band, um, but it was interesting to, to, to see it and see it kind of like, kind of what we do with this show. Right, we fit things in kind of a history or whatever, and seeing how this, this song and this band and this time fits into the history of, of it all and things so like I'm pretty sure in that song too, they have like a guitar solo at the end too, which is something you didn't really hear a whole lot within that genre of music.
Speaker 1:So I thought that. I thought it was a fun little addition that they did for that one. But yeah, I don't know any of their new music, so they changed multiple singers most. Most bands in this genre change singers pretty frequently, it's really it's like a weird little symptom of like scene music, where it's like a singer will have a controversy and they'll be out. Singer will have a controversy and they're out.
Speaker 1:They'll keep swapping them around right um, but then the singer from that band not off that album went to another album band that I like. So there's so many bands in that genre I like now so it's kind of funny that, that and how I'm doing that.
Speaker 2:so you said at first you were like I don't like this, and then it grew on you. How long do you think that process took?
Speaker 1:So what was the band? So, after I learned about this song, right, like, specifically, I loved what they called clean vocals, which was just singing, right, but then you had, like, the more hard vocals which were just screaming. I didn't like the screaming and I liked the clean vocals. So there was this one band, I, it was, um, fuck, bullet for my, bullet for my valentine was that the band or was that the? Song yeah, I think it was the band right yeah, that is a band.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if it's the band you're talking about.
Speaker 1:There was a song there was a song by them that I remember I found on youtube there was a version of it that just had clean vocals, like they had, like they had screaming in a mix, but then they had a version with clean out and I.
Speaker 1:So I like that because I fucking loved the metal instruments. I think that's what I liked the most about this genre. First, I love the instruments. I love the guitar, I love the drums, I love the breakdowns, I like headbanging and like. So I was like I gotta learn to like the screaming. So eventually I think I just eventually just grew into it, just kind of like worked in. Um probably took a few months, I don't know, I don't think it was like that long of. It wasn't that hard of a fucking challenge. I just think I just think I had to like get a little over the little bit of a hurdle of like right right immediately appealing.
Speaker 1:And now again, I told you yeah, I told you before I started beatboxing, I wanted to learn how to scream and I'm pretty sure at one point in my life I think it's long gone, I think I deleted it, but there was a youtube cover I uploaded for one of the songs from this band that we just played, um of me trying to scream and oh god, it was fucking awful, like I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure it got like dislike, bombed, like immediately. So it was so bad. Um, I wish I still had the video. That'd been funny as hell. But I don't have it anymore. But now it's a few months maybe.
Speaker 3:I don't think it was like that hard to yeah, yeah get into it so as, as you started to appreciate this kind of music more, this, this genre more did it start to seep into your music.
Speaker 1:Yeah um, so I think, I think I think when we're talking about when I was getting into this, I wasn't very good at beatboxing at that time, or even beatboxing at that time, so not not quite um but like I said now though like I, because I listen to like more I feel like my music style has been shifting slightly over the last year to get a little more like midwest emo, but not quite like um as hardcore. But like I was really heavy into like hardcore stuff with like heavy screaming and breakdowns, and so that kind of worked with dubstep 2 and rhythm, where everything was like getting hype, getting you know headbanging, just going crazy, and so that was a lot of my beatboxing.
Speaker 1:It still is. I still have a lot of tracks that are just like like you work in, like you know headbanging stuff and I love that and it's all powers if you're on a stage like the speakers will shake and it's fucking awesome right but I'm pretty sure I clipped the hell out of my mic, um, but so, oh shit, what was I saying? Um? What was the question again?
Speaker 3:it was. It was whether, whether metal started to seep into, like influence, the music you're making yes, yes, well, yes, the answer is yes.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I even took influence for one of my tracks with like a stuttering of, like a scream, like fry vocal and I from bring me the horizon on one of their songs. It was like, um fuck, it was like diamonds aren't forever or something they were like. So, like it's like now I'll be like let me hear you get loud and I'll do something like that, like you know, working with some crazy shit, but I fucked all this but the point is, you get the vibe where it's like I I am influenced by
Speaker 3:it completely right, so it's working its way in. It's pretty cool. Rosa, did you have something?
Speaker 4:I don't want to move ahead yeah, I was just gonna say, um, I, I, so you'd mentioned that you were into like radio sort of poppy type, you know radio friendly type music before, and then you got into metal slowly.
Speaker 4:I was just thinking around the time when you were getting into metal, like when your friend in baseball introduced you to the song from escape the fate, um, this type of sort of emo, hardcore melding is what was going on at the time. So I think that's why that was like your first exposure to it. Um, because if you were, you know one one, one generation, maybe you know 10 years removed, it would have been like your sort of 80s thrash, thrashy sort of metal which was a lot more sort of radio friendly. I mean, you know it could be anything from like metallica to bon jovi to black sabbath or whatever. Um, but then by the time you know 10 years, fast forward, it was, you know, like pantera had already had their sort of you know heyday and death metal was huge. So this metal emo core stuff is what was. That was your gateway.
Speaker 1:So don't beat yourself up, you're, you're okay, you'll, you'll find this, you'll find the metal that you like yeah, but I feel like the metal will find you I feel like what you were saying to the at that time too specifically, I kind of already kind of touched on it earlier. But I wonder if, like, because, like I said, when you think about, when I listen to pop, like that's all there was, like you had the radio, right, I mean like at least at my age girl, I mean I said the radio so unless I was to like go out and like specifically seek out like weird cds and I would have to physically purchase and just like gamble on right and my parents weren't heavy into music outside of what they listened to on the radio, which was classic rock or anything like that.
Speaker 1:So I didn't. I guess I didn't have that exposure. So the first like time a person was like, hey, check this out. Then like, and again youtube and stuff like that really wasn't like truly a thing like god you didn't have like on demand, like video searching at that exact maybe maybe at that time I did, but not much before that right yeah like I remember specifically, I want to hear a song.
Speaker 1:I have to go on to like yahoo music and click next a billion times to maybe get the radio like version of that song, right, I don't know because, again your kid internet was new, not everything out there now it's like you can click shuffle on spotify. You can find a billion new artists within a day and you'll have just. You can find exactly what you would like, you know, want to listen to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, and that's the thing back then and and I appreciate you sharing that in that way and rosa your question up of like you know, it's one of the goals of this show is that, um, you know, all too often we, we, we either actually get judged for the music we listened to or whatever got you know.
Speaker 2:Whatever we were listening to 10 years ago, or what were you listening to your senior year of high school, right, and people want to like, judge it, or we just have the judgment going on in our head, right, because we know, all right, maybe it wasn't the coolest thing I was listening to, but it's what I had.
Speaker 2:But the whole point of what we try and get across here is that, like what you said, you know you have access to the music you have access to right, and it's getting easier to have access right, because the world's at our fingertips now and things, but even there it's, you still don't know what to look for in ways, and so, yeah, it's really just about that thing of, like you know, the music finds us those chance meetings right of, of expose us to something that moves us in another direction, create some new interest and some taste of in something, and we go from there, and so it's really just about that of realizing all of us are just on our journey and we can't judge it after the fact, because the journey is the journey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I think so. Yes, I agree. I think a component that was really helpful back then to now, versus now, is community. So because you were just beholden to the radio, streaming wasn't a thing back then. So like because you were just beholden to the radio, like streaming wasn't a thing back then, Like you know, it sort of took that friend or that like older sister or older person that you looked up to to kind of like expose you to music Versus.
Speaker 3:now, yeah, you have streaming and you have, like you know, endless songs at your disposal, but you're kind of beholden to the algorithm, like if you don't know what to look for and you don't know what you don't know. The algorithm on Spotify or whatever Pandora, whatever you listen to like, is never going to give me beatboxing or dubstep.
Speaker 1:Somebody would have to introduce it to me. You know what I mean, and so I think community, like people, sharing of music is still important.
Speaker 3:Like, I hope we don't drop that, you know. True, that's fair. Yeah, all right, we all agree we need community music. Um, so, um, we'll move us ahead to your, to your next song, and that's um. What is a song that's intimately connected to another activity?
Speaker 1:So this one's definitely, it's definitely a personal one. Um, so it's my song, uh, with my wife, um, because it's how we got engaged, Um. So we, we wrote a song together and it was like it was like a really panicky time because we were moving and she didn't know if she was getting proposed to during the music video of the song. But we were trying to move from one place to another and we had to finish the song and I was freaking out because I was like we're going to california, like we're going to be filming this music video and the song's not even done for the music video yet. And you know, blah, blah, blah, and I lost my train of thought here already. I'm sorry. I saw, I saw my waveform recording over here on the right and I totally lost my train of thought here already I saw my waveform recording over here on the right and I totally lost my train of thought. I'm really ADD, guys, I promise Well if you want.
Speaker 2:What we can do is because I have the YouTube pulled up at the video. We can watch the clip and then you can talk about it afterwards.
Speaker 1:Perfect, Buy you some time to let the neurons get back in there.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I'm already ready, but let's now I'm falling right in.
Speaker 4:I feel a rush through my skin. I want you to stay here by me all right all right, I'll give you.
Speaker 1:I'll give you the story behind this then real quick. So I think that's why it was a little more panicky, because there was so much going on with I needed this video to like be done and work out for the proposal. So we were dating for, like god, how long were we dating? Seven years at that point, seven, eight years. But we were waiting until she was graduated college, like uh, law school. So it was like I was like all right, I'm gonna propose around this time. I already know this and I already cued her brother in, who's a film producer out in you know la, he works like bad robots on all the star wars stuff. I'm actually going to be an extra in one of his movies coming out here soon I walk, I walk across the screen and take a piss in the urinal.
Speaker 1:We invested in the movie. We were on set and he's like I need someone to walk across screen. And he was like, tyler, you do it. I'm like I don't want to do it. He goes, you do it. And I was like, all right, uh, it was probably because I fit in the suit jacket of the extra or the other guy. So, yeah, point is tangent, bring it back. He's a movie producer. I hit him up and I was like yo, I'm gonna propose to cassie, uh, can you film a music video for us? And he did it all for free because he's a fucking saint, um, nice. But I eventually got. I got a sponsor too by brilliant earth, which was, um, the company she always wanted her ring from anyways. So I just like fuck it, I'm a pitch to the company and they just they dropped like thousands of dollars off the ring price. I'm like hell, yeah, that's awesome they didn't even want much either.
Speaker 1:They just wanted me to like show the ring box, show the ring right put their logo at the end of what? That's the music video, I'm not talking in it.
Speaker 2:And they're like okay, that works right um, that's the lesson there but it was funny.
Speaker 3:But I never know david was showing me the video and I was like oh, brilliant earth, carolina knew it right away.
Speaker 2:I was showing her before we got on and she was boom, we got our wedding bands from them too.
Speaker 1:So, um, I think it's opened up a location by us. But regardless, um, it's funny because I actually had cassie negotiate the contract without knowing it was the contract I think I was, because she's she's a you know, she's a copyright attorney, so she deals with the stuff. She at the time she just graduated, though, but I had her helping me like, do all the terms of, like you know the licensing and what rights they would get out of it. So I'm like guys, this is a song, you're not getting the rights to my music, like you know right and so, but I had, I had her thinking it was company honey.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, I want to work with honey and this is her contract. I was like, what would you? What would you say in the situation? She had no idea. Um, but the point is, yeah, so I was negotiating contracts and then, you know, the song wasn't even done when we finished the video yet, but we had the structure laid out and we didn't really need the song until he was editing it. But, yeah, that, that's a song that we wrote together. Um, there were a lot of nights and fake little studio booths and closets with a lot of blankets and pillows, which I don't even think I would do again.
Speaker 1:No, that was totally unnecessary. Dead in the space like that, but I didn't know what I was doing. Um, and then we drew out to the desert, we filmed all around la. It was a lot Like and just. It was just a whole memorable experience, like just filming a music video with you know, my wife and with her brother, and it was just. It was fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for those, um, for those folks that are listening to the audio um format of of this podcast today um, you know you can catch us on YouTube and we'll have the the clip of the video on YouTube, as well as the link to the whole thing and shown up so you can see the proposal for yourself. Awesome.
Speaker 2:From what I hear, you're you're married, so the proposal obviously went well, but kind of what was her reaction to it? You know, doing it in this video of you know how did that. How did that? How did that go over?
Speaker 1:So I guess, to start like, the reaction was more just shocked, because we already knew we were getting married. It was like we, we kind of been talking about it for like since, like the first week we started dating, like I, it just like it. We just immediately clicked on that level where it was just like it just kind of new um and so obviously like throughout the years of like law school and even under like college. So we just, we're always, always like when will be the right time to propose?
Speaker 3:never like will you do it or will I say yes, there's nothing what should we do?
Speaker 1:it's like you gotta plan a wedding, which, by the way, a lot of effort, jesus you guys all know if you guys planned weddings or if you were smart and I don't know but like another full-time job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really was like I had to like take off time of content creation and just like it was insane, there was so much effort to plan a wedding.
Speaker 1:Totally worth it, totally worth it in my eyes, but a lot of effort, um, but so the the answer was she was shocked because, like I don't think she even, I mean she could answer this for herself, but she hadn't. I don't think she had any fucking clue it was happening, which was my goal, and I was okay, I'll tell you, sorry, I was really worried too. So the ring I had directly shipped to la um, to a brother who picked it up for me, which, again, that wasn't picked up until, like one of the weird days we were. There was like a weird like last minute thing because it was delayed, weird stuff. But the point is we didn't, I didn't pack a ring and she, you know we went through all the stuff we packed together, so she was like all right, she, she told me in the like afterwards, like she's, like there was no ring, so I had no reason to suspect you were gonna propose right, I went through all the packing with you, like we.
Speaker 1:I would have seen a ring, so I got by with that by shipping it there directly um and so I just don't think she thought that I was gonna do it on video either, which was kind of like the perfect way to do it, I don't know for us, like we thought we could just document what we wanted forever. And her dad came out to la at the same time. He didn't even I didn't even tell him I was gonna propose to cassie, because I knew he would blab it out, nick. So I told him like the night before. I, like at dinner, I was like oh, by the way, I'm totally proposing to your daughter 20 goes hot, fucking nice. Like yes, awesome, um, but and so she had no idea. So I think she was more just shocked and she gets like embarrassed in front of people too with big things like that. So it's like it was. I think she was, she was slightly shocked and also like shit, I'm on camera you know, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:Like you're shocked but you're like shit the video, like I gotta stay in context.
Speaker 1:but we I we kept it small too. We're on like a beach in malibu, which I actually come to figure out that I've seen in a couple other things in media, so apparently it's used enough. But the um it was just. It was just like me, her brother, her dad and then one of her brother's friends who was shooting photos for us. We have a bunch of photos from that as well, and it all made sense because we were supposed to be on camera anyways. But we were worried because the day of the video we were shooting that she went and got her nails done and we were like, oh shit, she's got to fucking know she's getting her nails done before she gets proposed to.
Speaker 3:But no, she getting her nails done before she gets proposed to right.
Speaker 1:But no, she got her nails done black, and so when she we saw her nails black, we were like she has no fucking idea, we're good, um, and we were making jokes, but like I mean she, that's what she would do. I think she she loves to do different colors and like that. So it just made complete sense. But it was funny though, um, because we thought she knew, but she had no idea yeah, I love it and you have it forever now, exactly right.
Speaker 1:Um, we even share. I think we even put I even put my wedding video on my channel. They don't like that they're. They aren't like the music video like. It was, you know, a song that we produced. I was like I want to put that there. The wedding video is just like, if anyone actually cares out there, since you've watched us years past, like here it is, here's an update. You know, and you know you pay a lot of money for wedding videography. It's like I might as well go somewhere right she did.
Speaker 2:She did a killer use of it, so yeah I love that so her reaction to the proposal?
Speaker 4:I mean, that's all, that's all real, that's.
Speaker 1:That's all. It's all. 100 real um it's awesome.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like the 12th take or anything like.
Speaker 1:No, no, there was no there was only one take for everything here, especially when we were in that damn desert. We were, like I was, in the middle of the desert. I don't know why I decided to wear sweatpants in like la heat in the middle of a desert fucking stupid. We were powering everything off his car. So, like I was, I was a legit live looping on the spot with all that oh, I mean just so like I could, like you know, act it properly for the music right like we.
Speaker 1:We fucking bought power adapters for his car, hoping his car wouldn't die. We were getting sunburned out there. I'm pretty sure she ended up with like some pretty decent sunburn after that event. Um, it was just fun though. We just had it was just like. This is a good memory.
Speaker 3:It's a whole lot of just fun baked into that entire trip yeah yeah well, just a good memory, thinking about like I don't know 20 years from now, right when you're talking about it. And it's not just like you captured the proposal on video, but it was to a song that you both worked on, you know. So it feels like it just feels extra special.
Speaker 1:That's fun.
Speaker 3:Thank you for sharing with us.
Speaker 1:Again, I can't sing. She sings because we met in acapella. So, yeah, she sang on it and I mean I think it's funny because, like it was a little bit rushed on the production of the song, I feel like we would have definitely done some things differently if we were to do it now. I think she even wants to do like a stripped down, like acoustic version of it at some point.
Speaker 3:But I need to learn guitar or something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, our piano to work that she plays piano, so she probably could do that, but yeah, I love it.
Speaker 3:Well, ty, we are at your last song. I feel like that went by pretty fast, but we're here. So for your sixth and final song, what's a song that was a part of just a perfect moment where everything felt right.
Speaker 1:That would be If I'm James Dean, you're Aubrey Hepburn by Sleeping With Sirens, and I say that because I was one. I got married two years ago and that was our last dance song. So at the end of our wedding we kind of kicked everyone out and we just had like a solo dance to that song, cause that was that's been our song ever since we started dating. Cause, like there was the first time like we ever listened to it together. There was like we were dating for like a week right, we're talking like at this point, like 11 years ago we were dating for like a week and we played this song on my car driving to like one of my baseball games windows down I can't even explain why it was such a good moment, right, but we both remember it for some reason. Whereas, like we were playing the song, singing all the lyrics, and it was just like driving through some like backwoods area in like Fredericksburg, going to a baseball field, right. No explanation why that was so like sticking out of my head, but it was. So it became our song throughout the years and one of our favorite bands we're actually going to see them again here in September and it just kind of became our last dance song and I guess I don't know, after all the wedding planning and all the stress and all that stuff that goes into it, you hit the last song.
Speaker 1:You're like nice, this is calm, this is our dance. We did it. We're married. You know, it's like that guy. So I feel like that's that plus again, it's just like it's just been our song for like a decade. So they say the love is forever. Your forever is all that I need. Please stay as long as you need. You promised that things won't be broken, but I swear that I will never leave. Please stay. And I never would have known about the song if I never heard escape the fate.
Speaker 1:This war is ours because they're in the same genre same era see, I'm telling you, like music, they just like you learn one thing and it just shifts everything. So absolutely but there's an acoustic version to that song too, and they, they're both so good which?
Speaker 2:which did you dance to? Was it this?
Speaker 1:version or the acoustic.
Speaker 2:Don't do that to me shit we won't air this live we won't air this out, you could you could totally air it.
Speaker 1:That's totally fine, because I I would want to say it was the acoustic, but I would be probably wrong on that again. Everything goes by so quick I don't remember if it was the acoustic or not the acoustic.
Speaker 3:I remember you totally get a pass. Yeah, it's hard to remember If you owe me details.
Speaker 2:I yeah there's no I need to know that Carolina and I were just talking about it the other day, about, um, we were somehow just talking about officiating weddings and things and we were saying how, oh yeah, the person that officiated our wedding was so great, and we were both like I don't remember a word she said but you know, like lovely lady she was great, um, and so, yeah, it's all just a blur.
Speaker 1:You know, we had, um, we had my cousin officiate it and it was funny because he was like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm a fit. I, you know, I've got licensed to officiate or whatever like that. And we, I had no expectations for his speech, right, I had no expectations of anything going into it. Man wrote the best shit I've ever heard in my entire life, worked like perfect. He worked in beatboxing and music and he wrote fucking poems. Man it was. It was great, it's shocking. It didn't shock me, cause like I, you know, I know to a degree, but like I it's still I was like what the fuck? Hell?
Speaker 1:yeah, like this is amazing um but apparently also in virginia. It's officiating is very weird, if you didn't know that, yeah, you have to get like specifically licensed by certain things. You can't just get like online to go to a court and shit. That was a nightmare. That was like week before the wedding. We're like are we gonna have an officiant? What's going on?
Speaker 3:wow, oh goodness but I love that it was super personal, from the efficient to. I kind of love the fact that you like kicked everyone out and it was like just you two there at the end dancing to this yeah, I think, I think we saw that idea somewhere like oh no, we're doing that, oh yeah yeah, yeah, it's like the reverse of a first look.
Speaker 2:It's like a last look. You get the last moments together all right.
Speaker 3:Well, we've, we've come to the end. Um, it's been quite a journey you've taken us on. How does it feel, uh, to hear your life reflected through these six songs?
Speaker 1:yeah, it makes me question why my hopes by the black eyed peas change the entire trajectory of my life but you know, it makes me realize that we're here because of that song.
Speaker 1:So that's that no, we say it all the time yeah, it's fun to think about you know that, because music is such a big part of my life what songs act like, what things actually started changing. I never thought about it like that before, you know. So it's like when you, when you go through this and you guys are asking me these questions, it's kind of like, oh shit, yeah, you know, it's just, it's just interesting to think about. Yeah, thank you for sharing.
Speaker 3:Of course Go ahead.
Speaker 4:Raza, we're just going to say the Black Eyed Peas songs was definitely a pivotal moment for you in your professional journey. So that's awesome, that and your friend, by the way, right.
Speaker 1:Nope, he doesn't beatbox anymore. So yeah, I think that was like a one week short lived thing for him. For me it took on to a passion, for him it was just like a quick little thing and he moved on to the next thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but what an important lesson there for all of us, right In that sense of like we talked a little bit about community and a good amount about friends during our time today and your, your friend at that time, was like hey, this is really cool, I'm into this, I'm going to share it with this other person I know, and he easily could have not, right? And so you know that lesson of you, of you know share, share what you're into with your people around you, because you never know who is going to be influenced by it. Like you said, he did it for maybe a little bit, and it was just a little passing fad of like this seems cool. But you know he passed it along to you and you, you know, ran with it and became such a part of your life and if he hadn't had shared it, that wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 1:So for some reason it became an obsession, kind of like what you're saying it was.
Speaker 3:It was weird, yeah yeah, that's not complaining, no, and and host doing. Enough of these episodes now, like I think we're not surprised as hosts, we we see it so often as you all go through your journey of these six songs and you start to see like just the songs pick you and they sometimes don't make any sense, but like just play this huge role in your life for some reason. It's been, it's been really interesting to watch across across all our guests and and you've shown today that that still holds true. Doesn't make any sense why it was the black ips, but damn it, it was it was, it was.
Speaker 2:We're not quite done yet. We're gonna kick it over to raza, who's just gonna wrap us up with our lightning round oh god yes yes, yes yeah, not to put you on the spot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't like this, let's go let's do it all right, we'll keep it very, very simple. Basically, what we want to know is what was your first, last and best or favorite concert experience?
Speaker 1:shit. First concert experience, the first one I ever went to, that I can remember like that I went to on my own and not, like you know, parents bringing you to something, maybe when you're young or that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I I think however you want to answer it?
Speaker 1:I think the answer is I wouldn't be able to answer that one because it was probably for a band that I never was interested in because it was like you know, whatever, but the first thing, that I ever went to. I went to see we came as romans. Uh, when I was a senior in high school with a friend which again was off the same, like you know, kind of emo hardcore track as that we talked, which I heard sleeping with sirens.
Speaker 1:There had no idea who they were at the time, right Like I, we were listening to him on the on the car ride down to the concert. I'm like I don't know if I liked them or not, right, and now they're one of my favorite bands, which actually is like a lot of my favorite bands, where I don't know if I liked them at the start of it, and then I like like circus survive. I, my friend, tried to show me them like 20 times and I was like nah, nah, favorite band
Speaker 3:um, and it's just it's funny how that works.
Speaker 1:Um, now unfortunately they're not banned anymore, but they were, um. But the point is it was we came as romans. It was like a lineup of like five bands. It was like sleeping with sirens. We came as romans with the headliner. There was like emir, which I never listened to, but they were doing breakdowns every five fucking seconds in that goddamn song and I'm pretty sure I got a concussion from it because someone was crowd surfing.
Speaker 1:They threw them from behind and we were so far in the front and it was my first concert I had no fucking idea right right these people open up pits and they do slam dancing where they're kicking and shit I think it's goofy because I just like who wants to kick people in the face. But you know what, if people, if people like that that's totally, that's totally their prerogative. I don't want to be in those pits, though, so I was trying to avoid that, but then someone got thrown from behind me and I wasn't aware, and they landed on my head, I don't know for the rest of that band set.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure I had a concussion for that. Um favorite concert, you said first favorite and last, right yeah okay, first go ahead. Yeah, yeah, first you go for it you go first. What were you gonna say? Oh, that was it okay first concert, last concert favorite was bring me the horizon.
Speaker 1:Absolutely was one of my top like three bands of all time um uh cassie. My wife bought us tickets a few years back and we went to one of their concerts. Like three bands of all time. Um uh cassie. My wife bought us tickets a few years back and we went to one of their concerts here they were playing at, like uh, george mason or something like that, like the patriot center or something like that and um, fucking phenomenal dude like it's.
Speaker 1:I just love everything about the band and their stage presence. Everything loved it, um. And plus we know every word to every single song they play, so you know it makes it very easy to like sing everything out loud, even though I can't scream some of the stuff we still try um. The last concert was also bring me the horizon with uh fallout boy. Um, if all boy it's like it's funny because bringing the horizon in my head's a headliner, but fallout boy was headlining right I guess, but number wise a lot bigger and they were playing at jiffy lube live, um.
Speaker 1:So it's very weird seeing bringing the horizon open, but we were primarily there for the one of the openers that we say for fallout blakes are also like a classic and you know yeah.
Speaker 4:So um, I think fallout boy gets the uh sort of legacy. You know, street cred right I mean kind of.
Speaker 1:Their music is still good, though, like even some of them. Like we heard, I didn't listen to a lot of their new stuff.
Speaker 1:Prior to getting ready for the concert, we started listening to the music and I I just I liked a lot of their new stuff too but I think probably bring me, the horizon is probably way heavier oh god, yeah, that's why it was so funny when you were there for the openers and like bringing the horizons, like going fucking crazy and screaming and breakdowns and all the people here like we're here for fall.
Speaker 4:Oh boy, we want to dance, you know, and we're just like yeah, you know, and all that shit.
Speaker 1:So it's funny, um, because it's just like it was a completely different vibe and they were playing like it was still light outside, so it was like it wasn't like what the normal vibe would be right, right, so it's kind of funny looking around seeing that. But oh, another good concert. I went to into coheed and cambria in colorado because we were. We were out in colorado like wait, shit, they're playing, so we drove like an extra two hours to go see them play.
Speaker 1:That was also wild um that's a great band too, oh yeah and, like I remember, specifically again prepping for that concert, she learned she likes to learn every lyric to every song prior to the concerts. So we were listening to kohi like on loop going to colorado, so we, I knew every word, even though I was just like kind of like just listening to them at that point too was that at red rocks by chance in colorado great question I have no idea I mean, was it like an outdoor amphitheater?
Speaker 4:that's like the coolest you know. Yeah, no, no, no it wasn't that one.
Speaker 1:No, no, I know you're talking.
Speaker 1:It was not that one um, yeah, that one was the one with all the red rocks we drove, we drove, we drove by that one um, but we never, we never actually went there because I think we just thought I don't know we were, we just went out to. We got a cabin out in the middle of the fucking woods in colorado. It was dope as shit like it was like you get to the fucking cabin you had to drive like 30 minutes on some back bumpy road. We're like where the fuck are we going? We're gonna die, um, that's what we thought. But um did not die and saw a cool concert. So that was good sounds like a win man successful trip. That wasn't very quick of a quick round.
Speaker 3:I'm so sorry to be honest, they never are, so we designed it to be a lightning.
Speaker 2:Almost every guest yeah, it's like, it's almost like everyone that comes on like finishes or six stars and we're like, hey, you're done, we made it. And then it's like we just do this and people are like, okay, I can just talk, and it's like, yeah, I just want to tell these stories about concerts, because it happens every guest meanwhile, I'm running you guys almost up to two hours right now because I just keep yapping baby, let's go next one, next question, let's do it.
Speaker 3:Power of editing well, this is, this is, this is for real. Now the wrap-up um this is you know, before, before we kind of sign off for for our audience today, in the last couple of minutes we have left, we'd love to kind of give you the floor to, to let the audience know what you've got going on, um, how folks can check you out. And yeah, the floor is yours. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I create videos on YouTube. I guess right now I'm focusing a lot on short form content, but I need to get back to long form. So you can find me on TikTok, instagram. For some reason, snapchat videos do okay, facebook's a thing. So I kind of have platforms everywhere, primarily YouTube, though, for Tyler W T-Y-L-a-d-u-b-y-a. Um, I'm a beatboxer and I teach a little bit, but I guess I'm going to try to start probably shifting more to the entertainment side of things, because I feel like that reaches a larger audience. Um, and if you want to make this a career, you have to reach a larger audience. So that's that's what I'm going to be trying to do. So if you want to, if you want to check out some beatboxing and some dumb shit, come check me out on YouTube.
Speaker 2:All right, tyler. Yes, it was so great having you on and teaching us all about beatboxing, and so we'd love for you to play us out with some backing tracks. All right, everybody, this has been another episode of A Life in Six Songs. Thank you so much for listening and watching. You all know what to do Like, follow, subscribe on whatever platform you are doing. Right now, you can find us on YouTube and all the platforms where you get your podcasts, and with that, this has been a life in six songs. Tyler, take us out. Awesome, it's amazing.
