G. Edward Griffin: Cancer's Purpose. What If The Cure Was Never Missing?

The scariest thing about cancer isn’t just the diagnosis, it’s how quickly the conversation narrows into a menu of “approved” attacks. I sit down with author and lecturer G. Edward Griffin, author of World Without Cancer (and The Creature From Jekyll Island), to widen that lens and ask the questions most people never get time for: what IS cancer, and what is the body trying to do?

We dig into why conventional care tends to revolve around surgery, radiation, and chemo, and what those interventions can realistically do to tissue, immunity, and quality of life. From biopsy risks to systemic toxicity, we talk about the kind of information patients often struggle to get in plain language, and why “informed consent” can be hard when the model is built on fighting biology rather than understanding causes.

From there, the conversation gets even more fundamental: germ theory versus terrain theory, cancer as a toxicity and deficiency problem, and the controversial claim that cancer may be an “overhealing” process that fails to switch off. Griffin explains the trophoblast theory of cancer, why pancreatic enzymes and immune recognition matter in that framework, and how Vitamin B17 (amygdalin, laetrile) fits into a nutrition-centered view of prevention and support. We also talk about medical politics, licensing pressure on doctors, and why researching older sources is getting harder in an AI-shaped internet which makes physical books more important than ever.

If you want a deeper framework for alternative cancer research, holistic cancer prevention, and the history behind modern oncology narratives, hit play. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a wider map, and leave a review with your biggest takeaway.

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• Mr. Griffin's website and newsletter
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Transcript

Why This Conversation Matters

SPEAKER_06 0:52

Hello everyone, welcome to episode number 67. Today I had the honor of interviewing one of my living heroes, the one and only Mr. G. Edward Griffin. Many of you may recognize him as the author of The Creature from Jekyll Island, which, in my opinion, is the definitive work, or tome you could say, on the history of the Federal Reserve Bank. But that book is really about the ugly, documented history of how a small group of monopolistic bankers secured for themselves the privilege of controlling the United States currency. I would argue, as I did in episode number 32, called Deception and Control: Unveiling the World's Secret Governance System, that if you don't understand the history of debt-based money, also known as central banking, you don't understand how thoroughly history has been engineered and whitewashed by those in power. Mr. Griffin's book on central banking is, in my opinion, required reading if you want to understand how the world works. His book is that important. So, with that bit of context, what you may not know about Mr. Griffin is that before he wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island, he wrote the equally compelling book, World Without Cancer, The Story of Vitamin B17, which first came out in 1974. He published the second edition in 1997. World Without Cancer is also atonements over 13 hours as an audiobook. And if you know and appreciate his depth of research on the topic of central banking, imagine that same thoroughness on the topic of cancer. So I've done my fair share of reading on the topic, and I think Mr. Griffin's original book, published 52 years ago, is still the definitive book if you want to holistically understand cancer. So there are several things I think that made his book on cancer special. So first is that he just deconstructs the history of cancer theory and cancer therapy and answers the question you hear me ask in the intro. How did we get here? The basic premise of the book is that we have had a known cure for cancer since at least 1902. But that cure, like many others since then, has been ruthlessly, even brutally suppressed because cancer is big business, and monopolists will do anything to accrue more power and protect their interests. For more background on the monopolistic underpinnings of modern healthcare, you can also check out episode number two, where I explore some of the history of so-called conventional medicine. What I think makes Mr. Griffin's book outshine all other cancer books isn't just his deconstruction of the history of cancer theories and therapies, but also he undertakes a very thorough effort to not only help you see what causes cancer, in short, toxins, deficiencies, acidity, various hormonal interventions, and radiation, but he also describes the physiology of cancer as a highly intelligent healing response of the body. That perspective, as you can imagine, needs some unpacking, and it stands in stark contrast to how today's medical world teaches us to think about cancer. As you'll hear us discuss, the medical system has an appalling lack of interest in what causes cancer or what the body is up to as cancer grows. Not only that, but the medical model is also bereft of tools for how to support the body in overcoming cancer. In the conventional view, cancer, like every other disease, is the result of some random, unpredictable genetic forces, and because of that, the best we can do, so they say, is to intervene and fight the body's battles for it. The medical system is solely fixated on how to attack or treat cancer with approved, patentable, and expensive interventions. On that note, I have a friend who recently lost her dad to cancer, and the three rounds of chemotherapy he had before he died cost$45,000 each. When it comes to today's so-called therapies for treating cancer, there are essentially only three options surgery, radiation, and chemo. So through the course of his book, Mr. Griffin did a great job using statistics and biology to expose how egregiously harmful those three therapies are. So I tried a couple times to get him to talk about that section of his book, but we got sidetracked. So to help you feel like you got a holistic understanding of cancer and your options, at least from this episode, I wanted to give you some highlights from his book about each therapy. Now, before I do that, let me first pause and say this. I have no idea who's listening to this episode. So as I attempt to put myself in the shoes of the listener, I imagine there are probably three different types of people. The first is people looking to understand and prevent cancer. Then there are those of you who have been diagnosed with cancer and are weighing the medical versus natural options in front of you. And then there are those who have already started down the medical route. So no matter which of those three scenarios might be you, you're about what you're about to hear is likely to produce an emotional response. So the point of this episode and my show in general is never to make people feel bad about a particular course of action. I'm simply here to teach and to do my best to help you have a better map of reality so you can navigate our crazy world more effectively. Some of what you're about to hear is likely to be painful to entertain. So for now, let me simply say this because some of you probably need to hear it. You are not responsible for knowledge you don't have. You are responsible for the knowledge you do have, but you're also not responsible for the actions of others. People are allowed to make their own choices when it comes to their health. And for those of you who may have lost a loved one to cancer or you might choose a different path if you were in their shoes, understand that it's not your job to save the world. It's simply your job to show up and be the best friend and teacher you can. Your job is to love and support people the best you can and let them work through the consequences of their own choices with your help where you can. So if this episode helps you make better choices, have more informed conversations, and exercise more discernment, then I feel like I've done my job. I'm really not here to judge anyone's choices. I'm simply attempting to explain a big topic the best I can. So, as you probably know from my show in general, I want to help you understand the systems we are born into, and in this case, the sinister healthcare system as it relates to cancer, what the system is proposing, and how it pushes our fear buttons to its advantage. So I hope today's episode helps you see through the matrix a little more clearly, and more than that, I hope it helps you think differently about cancer in a way that might save the lives of those you care about, including yourself. Now, another detail I need to mention is that, as with all my episodes, nothing discussed here is intended to be personal health advice. And what we talk about is for informational purposes only. Mr. Griffin did a great job of stating that as well. There's no way I or we could blindly give any health advice over a podcast. And as he points out, nor would we want to. Every health situation is unique to the person. And what I hope this episode does is inspire you to do your own research and look into what we are saying. And I don't know of a better place for you to start that investigation than getting a physical copy of his book, World Without Cancer. And in just a minute, you'll hear why I suggest a physical copy. Okay, with all of that said, let me return to Mr. Griffin's amazing deconstruction of the three main cancer therapies or attack vectors within the medical system. First up is surgery, or more specifically, surgery to remove tumors. When it comes to surgery, Mr. Griffin describes this as the least harmful because in some cases it can remove blockages, improve appearance, and restore hope. On the risk side of the equation, he also says that surgery is only helpful to the degree that the cancer is not malignant, meaning the cancer is contained and not actively spreading in the body. Because surgery also traumatizes the area being cut, that trauma naturally encourages new growth in that area, which could include an increased growth of cancer. It can also happen that the scar tissue that results from the surgery can cause the remaining tissue or cells to become encased or walled off from the body's efforts to heal or remove them. In short, cutting out a tumor can spread the risk of cancer. Even biopsies, which are done to identify cancer, can spread cancer. During a biopsy, a needle is used to extract cells from a suspect region of the body. In that instance, the puncture creates a vacuum that pushes and pulls cells from one chamber of the body to another. So Dr. Kelly Reese and I talked about that some in episode number 39 about mammograms versus thermography. Next up is radiation. Mr. Griffin talks about that as what it is: X-ray therapy. He considers this therapy an oxymoron because it is only harmful. Radiation damages or kills all tissue it touches. It's so dangerous that we have to wear a lead vest anytime we get an X-ray. So, according to his research, radiation offers no corresponding increase in well-being, and there is a 0% increase in their survival with radiation treatments. So radiation is used as a therapy because it has the ability to shrink a tumor. But here's the kicker, he points out. While you can shrink a tumor by 90%, you can also shrink the healthy surrounding tissue by 90%. What that means is that you increase the concentration of cancer cells that remain. In other words, post-radiation, there are more cancer cells per healthy cell than there were before radiation. Hoping the body can fix all that damage is a lot to ask of a traumatized body. That's why there is no corresponding increase in well-being or survivability. Furthermore, radiation in the case of metastatic, i.e., already spreading cancer, is, in his opinion, unconscionable because radiation will only spread the cancer further. He goes on to point out how even low-level radiation, like Hiroshima after World War II, weakens and destroys white blood cells and leads to delayed outbreaks of cancer. And on that point, he mentions that leukemia, i.e. blood cancer, occurs in radiologists, the people administering radiation therapy, more frequently than any other medical specialty. Radiation is anything but harmless. Interesting side note, at least for me. Learning that made me wonder about the long-term health of TSA agents and their low-level exposure working in airport security. So if anyone listening knows anything about that, I'd love to know. Okay, on to chemo. Mr. Griffin said that that intervention needed its own chapter because the side effects are so egregious. He called chemo a new dimension of murder. He pointed out that all anti-cancer drugs are poison and that poisoning of cells is the desired effect. That's what chemo is designed to do. Which may make you wonder why in the world chemo is considered a therapy. Well, the simple answer is this, and we talk about this during the interview. The body doesn't produce antigens or antibodies to cancer cells. In other words, the body recognizes self from non-self, and thus the immune system doesn't attack cancer cells. The point here is that since the body doesn't attack cancer cells, chemo is an attempt to chemically attack, i.e., poison cancer cells. But chemo is a shotgun blast that works by attempting to target cells that reproduce rapidly. This is why people who go through chemo lose their hair. That's why major gastrointestinal or gut issues follow chemotherapy. The stomach and intestinal cells turn over quickly. Bone marrow, where blood cells are made, is another place where cells reproduce rapidly, and thus why people suffer low blood counts when doing chemo. Mr. Griffin sums up chemotherapy by saying that no chemo drug has or ever could be proven safe. And to back him up on that, simply do a search for the side effects of methotrexate, and you'll know why it could never be called safe. In the final estimation, Mr. Griffin says that chemo is toxic, immunosuppressant, carcinogenic, and futile. In other words, it is only harmful. So why do doctors offer it? Well, he says, because one, that's all they're trained or allowed to do, and two, it helps patients not feel abandoned. Wow. Okay, there is some of what we did not have time to cover during the interview, and I hope that teased you enough to go get his book and see the evidence for yourself. On that note, one thing that you'll find if you look into the topic of cancer is this. And I call it the nauseating reality that cancer research is always on the precipice of a breakthrough. They just need a few more million dollars for research, and they'll finally have this thing licked. And Mr. Griffin would summarize cancer research as a gross legalized experimentation on people who are likely to die anyway. Ouch. So that's what cancer research is. And as one example, he tells the story of experiments using LSD as a cancer therapy, which is described as legalized torture and murder. So, friends, a cure for cancer, in case you can't tell by now, is not coming from the medical system. There are many documentaries about this, but one that helps you see the scam in more detail is the film Pink Ribbon. So picture a stack of$100 bills wrapped in a pink ribbon. That documentary also touches on the equally awful aspect of screening, and screening is how the industry works to find customers and begin so-called early treatment, that, ironically or not, is likely to contribute to cancer. So, unfortunately, the cancer industry is big business, and that's how it was designed to function. The medical system is so fixated on curing cancer that it doesn't bother to step back and ask, what is cancer? So, answering that question is one topic Mr. Griffin did a brilliant job of explaining in his book, and we did talk at length about that, and how cancer is the runaway process of the body healing itself. More specifically, we talked about what is called the trophoblast theory of cancer. And as you probably have come to expect from me, we defined trophoblast cells, how the body uses them, not just in pregnancy, which is almost exclusively what you will find when you search online for anything related to trophoblast cells, but they are also part of the body's mechanism of repair. So I won't spoil it here, but as a fun little tease, go ahead and look up the use of a pregnancy test for detecting cancer in men or women. Okay, with that tease, let me tell you a little bit about what went into producing this episode. So a couple of months ago, my buddy Sean Terriot and I had the opportunity to spend two days with Mr. Griffin at his home in California. Sean, who you may remember from episode number 36, was helping Mr. Griffin upgrade his technology to be more private and secure, and I got to tag along. So before I even met Mr. Griffin, to deepen my knowledge of his life and see what I could do just to enrich our conversations, I looked him up on the internet. I used the simple, neutral prompt, Who is G. Edward Griffin? And my search immediately turned up the AI synthesis that Mr. Griffin is a debunked, wacko, nut job, right-wing conspiracy theorist whose ideas and research should be discarded into the waistband of history or something to that effect. That's what the brave AI search turned up. Sean, who is much more tech-savvy than me, did the same search using 10 different AI sites, and only one of which, gab.ai for what it's worth, turned up anything neutral or positive about Mr. Griffin. Okay, so fast forward to my time with him. Those two days were amazing, inspiring, and precious, and just full of rich conversation and something I will never forget. I even got to sit across the table from Sean and Mr. Griffin while they did a live webinar about globalism and the tech world, and I'll link that in the show notes in case any of you are interested in hearing it. But they even mentioned me a couple times, which was fun. But anyway, one of the things I asked Mr. Griffin while I was with him was now that more time has gone by, is there anything about your cancer book that you would go back and update? Is there anything that's been disproven or that you would change your mind about since you wrote it? And his answer was no. So for what that's worth, consider that as a potential 2026 update. Now, Mr. Griffin will probably never tell you this because he's too humble, but his office is loaded with plaques honoring him. He even has a plaque from Ty and Charlene Bollinger, from some of you may know the truth about cancer, acknowledging his contribution to the topic of cancer. Okay, so back to me doing my homework to prepare for this interview. One thing I like to do for you all is put the best references I can find in the show notes so you can dig deeper if you want to. Now, at first, as I was preparing for this episode, I was working from my written notes and I wanted to see if I could find some more recent, say post-1997 research that expanded on the trophoblast theory. And what didn't surprise me about my initial attempt to do that was that pretty much everything I turned up said that all of Mr. Griffin's work had been debunked and that the trophoblast theory of cancer had been proven incorrect. And so I used two different versions of AI to help me do my search. And I probably reframed my question 20 times, trying to see if I could get it to say anything positive about his book. But then things got interesting and even shocking even for me. So after not turning up anything that confirmed his work, I started asking AI to reference specific quotes, dates, names, and research publications that Mr. Griffin had in his bibliography. And to my surprise, it turned up nothing. The AI search engine basically told me what I'm looking for doesn't exist, which either means Mr. Griffin is a big fat liar, making up fake references out of the air, or AI has been programmed to suffocate the truth under a mountain of denials. That was the first time I've ever had or I've ever been that stymied in my efforts to provide you all with links and research. So it was somewhat somewhere during this flabbergasted moments of doing research, I remember hearing Mr. Griffin's voice saying, There will come a day when if you don't have a physical copy of something, you'll have no proof because you won't be able to find it on the internet. So, in fairness, I also know it's entirely possible that I'm not a sophisticated enough internet sleuth and researcher, and perhaps some of you won't have as hard of a time finding what I couldn't find on the internet. But just for kicks, get a copy of the second edition of Mr. Griffin's book, World Without Cancer, published in 1997. Go to the end of chapter 5, where it lays out the publications that confirmed the trophoblast theory of cancer, 93 years after it was first introduced, by the way, and see if you can get AI to provide you the publications. I would truly love to know what you find or don't find, and I do know that AI will give different people different answers based on what it knows about you. So the only gotcha moment I had was asking AI about if the pregnancy test could detect cancer. So there's a little teaser for you. Anyway, regardless of my level of skill of internet research, I think it's safe to say that my simple story there is why we need physical books. Unfortunately, I'm not overstating it to say that the internet is being erased. Digital book burning is real, an official reality, what you are supposed to believe, and is what AI is increasingly programmed to show you. So if you use AI for research and you think you've got AI by the tail, I would invite you to be open to the idea that AI may have you by the tail. So, friends, get physical books, especially books written before the internet took over our lives. It's been said if you want a new idea, read an old book. Okay, a few last bits of context for you before I played the interview. This topic is obviously massive. So, like I said, his audiobook alone is over 13 hours, and we truly only scratched the surface. So part of what I set out to accomplish with this episode wasn't to tell you all what to do to cure cancer, but to lay out a foundation to help you understand what cancer is. If we get that wrong, we'll end up chasing the wrong solutions. And the pharmaceutical world will tell you that cancer is a problem with germs or genetics. And I would argue that both of those are a total red herring designed to sell you vaccines like Gardacil or flashy new gene therapies, chemical or radiological interventions, or to justify the never-ending research for patentable pharmaceuticals. May we see the wizard behind the curtain and not fall for that. To sum up what you are about to hear, cancer is the healing process of the body that, for any number of reasons, fails to turn off. Some of the known reasons why it doesn't turn off are nutrient deficiencies, toxins, hormonal interventions, and radiation. Working with the body to correct those fairly straightforward problems is, in my estimation, the most logical way to approach cancer. Once we understand what cancer is, other therapies can also make sense or not make sense. So on that note, a big theme of Mr. Griffin's book is the nutrient B17, also known as amygdalin or laotril. So for our purposes here, you can think of those terms used interchangeably. And by the way, as he stated, there are other effective and suppressed cancer therapies out there. B17 is just one of them, and I will touch on others in future episodes. For now, I'll have a link in the show notes where you can get the B17 that Mr. Griffin had on his dining room table. So here is my best shot so far at attempting to stretch your thinking when it comes to cancer. Without further ado, welcome to my conversation with a humble, down to earth, deep thinker and brilliant teacher, a major force for freedom. I give you the inspiring living legend, Mr. G. Edward Griffin. Right, hello, everyone. Everyone, welcome to a big honor that I have today. I have for you the legendary G. Edward Griffin. So let me just tell you a little bit about this amazing man. So he is an American author, a filmmaker, and lecturer. He began his career as a child voice actor on local radio. And after serving in the U.S. Army, he worked as a writer and announcer, later becoming a contributing editor to The New American, which is a magazine from the John Birch Society. He also wrote and directed the 1966 film Anarchy USA. And more recently, he was featured in Mickey Willis's newest pandemic documentary. Mr. Griffin also founded Freedom Force International in 2002, and he later created Red Pill University and the Red Pill Expo to organize citizens around individualist and anti-collectivist ideals. He currently publishes a regular Need to Know newsletter, which you can find at needtoknow.news. And by the way, that newsletter is on my short list of newsletters worth reading. It's very informative. Mr. Griffin is best known for his 1994 book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, in which he compellingly argues that the Federal Reserve System is a banking cartel. He is also the author of the book World Without Cancer, which is what we're going to be talking about today. So, Mr. Griffin, thank you so much for joining me today. It's an honor to have you.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Well, thank you for that very uh kind and rapid uh introduction. It's been a long time since some of those topics that you mentioned uh were in my upper um frontal lobes, so to speak. Uh a lot of a lot of water has flown under the bridge, so we shall we say. Yes, life has been long.

SPEAKER_06 25:20

Well, it has been good and long. It felt like a disservice to cut things from your amazingly long bio. So I just tried to hit the highlights.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

But what the humane thing to do, actually.

How World Without Cancer Began

SPEAKER_06 25:30

Right. Yeah. Otherwise, we'd spend half an hour on his bio. So he's just been uh a force for freedom and understanding how the world works, like no other I've known. And so it's been great to get to know you and your work. And so um uh regarding your cancer book. So your first edition came out in 1974, which is actually three years after Nixon declared war on cancer. So I got to hear at once from you, but give the listener the story of how you came to write the book, World Without Cancer. What was the impetus behind it?

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Okay, that does take us back to square one, doesn't it? Uh that probably, I don't remember the date on that, but the book was published in 74. It was probably about uh 19, well, probably about 1970, uh, that I started to uh move in that direction. I had I'm the let's face it, even today, I am probably the last person in the world to hang out his shingle as being an expert on almost anything, really, but certainly, certainly not a cancer of all things. I mean, you talked about my my early career, so to speak. Uh, I was uh a little a bratty kid, you know, playing on radio shows like The Lone Ranger, for example. You know, gee, Dad, here come the Indians or something, you know. And it was a great play for me and all that. But I was going to make my career in Hollywood. I was going to become the great Cecil B. DeMills of the century, and that was my plan. But unfortunately, it was also the plan of thousands and thousands of other very talented young people, most of whom were far more talented than I was. And we all converged on Hollywood at the same time. And uh by that time I was married, had a uh I married the prettiest uh student nurse on the campus at the University of Michigan, and then all of a sudden I found myself coming out of the army after a couple of years there, and um I'm married and I have one uh child in existence and the other one being formed as we sp as we were talking about it back then. And all of a sudden I realized, oh my God, I gotta quit playing around. I have a family to support. And um my life changed. I stopped being a boy, being a kid, having a good time, and suddenly realized, oh, I have responsibilities too. How did that happen? And uh I know that feeling. So I ran out of money and I ran out of time, so I'm deciding to get a real job. Anyway, I'm I don't know how I'm squeezing into all of this. I'll fast forward, I'll I'll spare you and the audience all of the other details of all the different things I went through. And I think the biggest lesson from that period of my life was that most people, I believe, go through the same thing, and that is that we don't know where we're going. We think we know where we're going. We have these plans, but something called fate comes along, and there are boulders that drop in front of us, and huge trees come crashing down across the road we're traveling, and all of a sudden we're in dead stop, and we can't go any further. And those are those are occasions in my life that um I at the moment that they happened, I considered to be great tragedies, great setbacks, hor horrible experiences. Like having to change your your life career plan, for example, and having to give up the childhood fun games and become a parent, you know. The horrible things they have to face. Right. I've I've lived that one a few times. Horrible. And uh then having to change your career and then having run out of money and then not not being able to get a job because nobody has a great need for child actors, especially by this time when you're uh 22 years old, 23 years old, all of that stuff. But in retrospect, I realized that every time I came up against a brick wall or a or a cliff, um, as tra as tragic as it seemed at the time, in retrospect, it forced me, I could see it forced me to take a right angle turn or something close to right angle and go in an entirely different direction just because of necessity to survive. And in retrospect, it turned out to be the best move I ever made. And I was forced into it. It wasn't part of my plan at all. And by the time I got to be, let's say, half of my age right now, which I'm right now, I'm 94, I by the time I was in my mid-40s, I realized that this was a pattern that I almost was looking forward to. When is the next catastrophe going to happen? Because they always turn out well in the long run, because it forced it forces one, force this one anyway, to face reality and uh put the dream aside a little bit and see if you can't blend reality with the with the ideologies and the idealistic thoughts you have. So now, back to your question, how did this all get started? My book on cancer. Believe it or not, there is a connection. So I found myself, well, I was surprised to find that I had a crusader gene, a crusader gene in me, because up until this time I really hadn't taken much interest in world affairs. I was like most young people, I was all wrapped up in myself, my own family. I wanted to be looking good. I wanted to have all the materialistic things, nicest car, I wanted a nice house, uh, wanted to be able to travel around the world. I wanted to, you know, I wanted to have fun and look good and uh very materialistic. But all of a sudden, this crusader gene started to rap. I was infuriated when I read this stuff, mostly coming from the people of the United Nations themselves. And I realized this was a scam. The whole thing was a scam. They pretend one thing while they're doing something else. I thought the world has to know about this. Yeah. So, Christian, I quit my job. And so it begins, right? And so it began. And I wound up, you know, uh, you mentioned in your introduction I had done some work, I affiliated with the John Burt Society in those days, seemed to be the only organization out there that seemed to know about these things that I'm discovering on my own. And so I associated with them and uh became actually uh part of their staff for a little while until I decided to go off and save the world on my own. So, but when in that short period where I was working with the other John Birch members around the country, they uh they liked what I was doing, so they put me in charge of training a lot of the coordinators around the country and how to how to set up local groups and how to put in little um American opinion bookstores in every community where people could get literature, unbiased literature on this stuff. So in that period of time, I ran into a very wonderful man, his name is Dr. John Richardson, MD. And uh he was a member, a very strong, staunch member, and we became friends. And I helped him build a chapter and a local American opinion bookstore in the San Francisco area. And that was our our um reason for knowing each other. I had it had nothing to do with health care. He was a doctor, I'm an organizer, or whatever you call me at that time. And uh that all we talked about is the mission of getting the bookstore going and getting the word out. And one day Dr. John and I used to sneak off sometimes on little little uh excursions to get away from the city, get away from our usual stuff, and we said, Well, we're gonna go fishing or something like that. Well, we never went fishing, we just drove out and drove into some beautiful country. We were looking for real estate actually, hoping to find a place out of the city. Not to go hide or anything like that, but just to get out of the humdrum of the city. And uh we never talked about anything other than um political and social issues that that bound us together. But this one time we did that, um John, Dr. John uh brought his briefcase with him, which was different because we never did uh we leave the briefcase at home. He brought his brief briefcase. And so the moment came when he said, Ed, let's talk about something. I need your help. I said, John, you need my help? What? Well what can I do? He said, Well, I've been treating cancer patients and for the first time I've haven't I I've been treating them with a with a substance that for the first time is working. I've never seen anything work really. It's always we're trying, we're trying, we're trying, we're we're researching, and sometimes we can extend the life a little bit, but the the life that is extended is deteriorated and not worth extending. And he said, This is really working. He said, I I'm saving lives. And the medical profession around me, the uh California uh medical association, uh wants to take away my license because I'm using an unapproved substance. He says it makes no difference that it's saving lives, it's unapproved. I and I my crusader jeans started to ring to rattle again. What do you mean? Well, that's ridiculous. Right. And I said, What can I do? And he said, Well, I'm a doctor, I treat patients. You're a writer, you you talk to people, you're a communicator. Can you help me write an article on what I'm trying to do in this substance that I'm using so I can get these jerks off my back and let me just go back to practicing medicine and not playing politics? I said, Well, I'll do what I can, John. Sounds like an interesting project. So being totally uninformed about this, as I was, I thought, well, that sounds like maybe a 10-day project. Huh? That sounded like it would be worthwhile. And um little did I know how much voltage was in those wires that I was about to grab hold of. And once I got into it and I started finding out what this substance was and the theory of how it worked and uh the history of it and all that, I realized that this was really, well, number, it was several things. First of it, it was extremely interesting. And secondly, it was so far from anything I knew anything about that I thought, how god I I'm not a doctor, my gosh, I have to go to medical school or something like this. And I wanted, I wanted to bug off and say, Well, you better get somebody else. But I didn't. And um, so that's how I got started. I I suddenly realized that I had grabbed hold of something that I did not know existed. And by that, let me explain to your audience what was the thing. Anyone can go to school, anybody can go to bookstores and buy medical books on cancer research, cancer therapy, theories of cancer, the prognosis, the medications, the treatments, all of that stuff, and you can become very proficient doing what everybody else does, which is making money. I didn't realize that at the time, but uh, if I had heard somebody say that to me in the beginning, I would have been about as outraged at that as I was at somebody criticizing the United Nations. Because I knew that the medical profession was was wonderful. I mean, these are all all people who were trying to help humanity and help people restore their health and so forth. These are great people. There would they would never do anything for money above results, would they? Well, I would I said no, of course not. Well, jumping ahead, I found out that's exactly the problem. And uh, but I didn't know it at the time. So that's how I got started in it, and it turned out to be not a ten-day project, but it's it's a project that's still going on, actually, because I'm learning stuff all the time. But it took me about um I'm just gonna guess maybe about three years to get up to speed to the point where I could write on the topic uh with a little bit of confidence that I wouldn't be embarrassing myself. And uh it was a long and interesting journey. And thanks to Dr. Richardson and uh his staff, actually, his his um non-medical staff, uh I can't remember the chap's name, a very nice guy, loaded me up with literature on this. If it hadn't been for him, oh golly, I'll think of his name maybe as we go ahead. But a nice fellow, but he was the the office manager. And he said, Ed, I'm glad you're getting into this. This has got stories got to be told. Yeah, okay, well, I'll do my best. And he was giving me all this literature that he had amassed of his own. Uh much of it was medical, but a lot of it was um political. And I I was rejecting all the political stuff, you know. He was sending me stuff about Nazi Germany and the What does this have to do with cancer?

SPEAKER_06 39:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

What does that have to do with cancer? Yeah. And all about the cartels, the the you know, the the bad Germans and all that stuff. And this was you know, after World War II. Excuse me, after World War II. But everybody ever thought of that. You know, that was the all all this work that he was giving to me, um the the story about this work, uh, occurred a lot of it in the Nazi regime and in that period when Nazism was dominant in Germany. So there was this spillover of the image between German means Nazi, right? Well, of course, that's ridiculous, but it didn't seem ridiculous at the time. And who wants to know about this nasty Nazis and all that nonsense? We're talking about cancer, man. You know, let's get stick with the topic. So I had to break through all that barrier. And uh Ralph was his first name. Ralph, maybe I'll come up with a second name yet. Uh Bowman, Bowman, Ralph. There you go. There we got it, came up. Anyway. So anyway, so Ralph was feeding me all of these books, uh, not only medical books, but books on the history of the or the origin of the pharmaceutical industry, which happened in Nazi Germany. And it began, I didn't know this, but I was I'm learning this against my will, because Ralph is dumping it on me all the time. And I'm saying, Ralph, I don't want this stuff. I want to stick with the medical. And he didn't pay any attention. He just kept and uh and I'm reading this stuff uh sort of on the sly, I think I don't want to spend a lot of time with this, but it was interesting. And I discovered that there was uh the first, I think it's probably the first cartel really, in the way we think of it in the modern word, in in the world, was in Germany, prior to Nazi Germany, but developed during Nazi uh the regime. And it was um called I. G. Farben. That's what its name was, and it stood for I. G. Farben, I get if I can remember now, I think that was I.G. was Interessengemeinschaft. Uh I don't speak German, I just memorize those sounds. But Interessengemeinschaft, I was told, meant a community of interests.

SPEAKER_00 42:06

And it was a cartel.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

Yeah, that's a better name than cartel. Yeah. That was the origin of it. And I. G. Farben had developed into a monstrous thing in Nazi Germany. It it uh included almost all of the major industry in Germany. And it was certainly not the free market or anything like that. It was it was collectivism under the name of um Nazism. But it was collectivism, and that meant the combination of the state and private. There was no private enterprise, everything would be owned and run by the state, but it would appear sort of like the Mussolini version, the fashion fascist version. It'll appear like it was private companies, but in reality, it was the private companies that were running the government. And they it's what we have today in our world, actually.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

It was all developed in Nazi Germany and um in Mussolini's uh Italy. And I didn't know any of that, didn't want to know any of that. Ralph is forcing me to learn about these things, and I'm going, wow, that's interesting. Can't be true.

SPEAKER_02 43:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

And uh then I ran into a lot of literature, other literature about this cartel, which I hope you're I hope your audience finds this interesting. Um it's one of those things I was talking about. Something you don't like and it turns out to be the best thing for you. Right. I resisted this all the way, but then I found out that he was giving me a lot of books that were written by communists. I said, Ralph, why don't give me this garbage. He says, Look, he says, look, when they're talking about politics, they're garbage. It's garbage. You and I know that. But when they're talking about I. G. Farben, which they consider to be the enemy, because they were the communists against the Nazis at that time, they want to discredit the Nazis, and so they were telling the truth about the cartel only because they were the enemies. They they believed the same thing, but they were, you know, it's just the old why did the fascists uh and and the communists fight each other? This it wasn't because they believed in anything different, they believed in exactly the same thing, almost. They were fighting over territory and dominance. And I had to learn that too. So all of these things I'm being I'm being forced to learn against my will. And it all started with Dr. John. Now that's so okay, that's how it all started. Believe it or not, I had to go through all of that. It's someplace I never intended to wind up. Uh and uh as I said earlier, I was and probably still am the last person in the world who was qualified to tackle a topic as huge and hidden as that. But for some reason it was dumped in my lap. And uh I uh like looking ahead when I was writing Creature from Jekyll Island, another example. I'm the last person. What do I know about banking? For God's sake. I mean, I ran back with a Lone Ranger, you know. I that's where I should be. You know, me knowing about banking and discount ratios and central banking and all this stuff. Um I gave up a couple of times on World Without Cancer and also on the creature from Jekyll Island because it was just too much for me. I'm not the one for this. But when I stopped it, the Crusader genes started getting very loud. I said, You've got to finish this. So I kept going back to it. And I'm I'm grateful that I did.

SPEAKER_06 45:57

And a lot of us are, yes. You've taught humanity a tremendous amount. And the the just the cancer book alone is over 500 pages. And I listened to your creature from Jekyll Island. It was 24 hours long. It's it's it speaks to the depth at which you took those topics seriously to document what you found, to leave a real record for humanity to say this is real. And you can fact check me all you want, but this is how the world works. And applying what you learned about the cancer world, I can see how that helped set up creature because it you had learned that oh, it's monopolists and people who think they're it's their right to run the world that are in control of almost every institution. That was my big wake up in 2020, 2021. It's like I I knew the pharmaceutical world is as you described, but I didn't realize it was every industry. And then seeing the breadth, oh, they've they were thorough. They tried to capture every single aspect of society and commerce and spiritual traditions and they just used politics to divide us. I could and tell your book was one of the things that cracked that shell to go, oh my gosh, they have been so systematic in taking everything owner. There was a line in your cancer book where you talked about how the Rockefellers used and they viewed education as just a way to make the populace docile and easy to manage. And well, if you think education doesn't also apply to medical education, then we've missed the plot here. Like it's the same institution. They what they're after is a sick need to control everything and form the world into their image. And they've just been at it so long and they figured out how to do it covertly and putting on a theater, as you've talked about, so where we can't see what's actually going on. But it's been it's that's so that anyway, those are some of my high-level takeaways. And for all the people that can't thank you for not giving up on those two books, the amount of the the weightiness to me, the your cancer book is still the definitive book on the topic, even though you fought the process of doing it the whole way. Like, what in the world do I have to study Nazi Germany for to understand cancer? Like, leave me alone.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

I'm trying to yeah, there's a there's a little sub-story to that one too, because after I had written the manuscript for the book, I decided that there were two stories.

SPEAKER_06 48:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

There was the science of cancer therapy and the politics of cancer therapy.

SPEAKER_04 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:30

And they were seemingly insulated. They were what's the what's the no connection. And I I could see that there was a great connection, but I was advised by some of my closest friends, and some of whom were doctors, uh, to um how how do how do they phrase it? To um put it aside. They didn't want me to embarrass myself. They said uh you should ed you should stick with what you know.

SPEAKER_06 49:02

Right. And you're like, and I know both of these things.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

And uh well, I thought I did, but I'm like, these are people, these are people who well this time I'm just talking about you know, by cancer. Uh-huh. Stick with what you know, said these doctors. And um anyway, uh, I almost put it aside, uh, the the politics. But I was thinking the biggest obstacle to my getting this story across to people who have no background at all is the impossibility to understand why they why their doctor doesn't know this.

SPEAKER_06 49:44

Yeah. That's and really your the second half of the book is answering that question.

SPEAKER_00 49:49

It's that if you can't answer that question, then you lose.

Germ Theory Versus Terrain Theory

SPEAKER_06 49:54

Yeah. Okay. Well, let's come, we'll come back to that because it there's there's your entree to or your appetizer to get into this topic of cancer and and why it's such a sticky widget. The short version is there's been a lot of different things that have helped cancer over the years, and more or less they're all stamped out of existence because of what you'll read in part two of his book. But you make the point at the end of chapter five, just that the theory that you have on earth, that's been around since like 1902, I think it is, still has the most ability to answer the questions and to blend all the different known aspects of human physiology into one simple, coherent story of what cancer is and how the body approaches dealing with cancer and so on. So let's get in somewhat before we set the table with what today would be called an alternative view of cancer or an unconventional approach to cancer. Let's just set the table because you did a great job in your book of that as well, of defining what the medical view or the medical narrative is regarding cancer and how, in many ways, it just obfuscates and keeps us from learning what's rather simple about what cancer is. So talk a little bit about what you learned about the conventional definition or perspective on cancer, and we'll use that to then compare to what um what we think cancer really is based on the rest of your book.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Well, yeah, that is a good, you have to start with that, but nobody starts with that. Yep. They always start with, okay, we got cancer. How do we how do we fix it? Right. They're in this point, right? They don't ever bother to say what is it.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

Yeah.

unknown 51:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

You can't fix it if you don't know what it is. So that was the hardest thing to to get over, is because even though I knew nothing about it, I did have the general image of uh whatever it is, the this the experts know about it. And they're doing the best there anybody could possibly do because they spend seven or ten years studying it, and then they have a lifetime of practicing it. How can somebody like myself come along and uh you know in a in a few months or maybe a couple of years say, oh well, this is this is all wrong and so forth. So, all right, what is it, what is the uh the first thing I had to re recognize is that there are two views on not only cancer, but all all ailments, all diseases, diseases. And um the conventional view upon which our medical system is based is that there are nasty things out there, bugs. Mostly bugs of some kind. They have different names for them, they call them, you know, different names. I I won't go to that long list of things. And you come in y if you dig deeply enough, you go all the way back to Louis Pasteur and and Dr. Beauchamp and the the old the debate between the terrain theory uh and germ theory. Pardon? Yeah, the germ theory. Yeah, germ and the terrain theory. And of course, it's important let's just uh take a moment on that. The germ theory that Louis Pasteur was acclaimed for advocating, which he by the way rejected later on in life, but nobody knows about that, is that um diseases are called by germs, nasty bugs of some kind. And Beauchamp said, Well, not entirely.

SPEAKER_05 53:46

He said the reason the germs are there is not because they're germs, but because they're not germs.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

They're there in most cases just to help you. But they're there to procreate to create a balance in your health. Almost everything exists with a plus and a minus, and you can't have left without right, you can't have up without down, you can't have illness without health, and so forth. So the germs are the one half of the picture, the Beauchamp said. The other half is the terrain that the germs live in. And the two keep each other balanced. And as long as it's equal on both sides, you're in perfect health, you know. That's what you're supposed to be. And a lot of the things that we call call germs and parasites are not harmful to us at all. Why is that? Because it's in balance with the terrain. And also, in many cases, those germs and even parasites are beneficial to us when they're in balance. As amazing as it is, you know, we got these little bugs, and you get the microscope, and you see little things that are in your eyelashes right now, and you blow them up, you look like huge monsters. Those are in my eyelashes now. Yeah. And they keep your eye liquid and everything, you know, nice little guys. Those things are nice guys. No. Okay, so I'm oversimplifying, but because this is how I approached it in those days, I had to think in terms of very simple analogies. And I think that is the way to go about it. The things that we know about. And um, so the the germ theory is that there are germs that cause diseases, end of discussion. So, how do you cure diseases? You create chemicals or treatments that kill the germs. Yep. Yeah, that's the model, right?

SPEAKER_06 55:42

That's it. Or it's genetic fatalism. It's just you just got these, you know, whatever the genetic lottery gave you, it's really not your fault. But you've been overcome by this thing, so we get to intervene, like you said, chemically or some other.

SPEAKER_01 55:53

We've got some chemicals that make you feel better while you die. Yeah, right. You won't feel so much pain. So, but it's but in all cases, you've got to buy these chemicals from us because disease is germs, and you can't get rid of germs unless you have an anti-germ. Okay, that's the that's the story of medicine today. And who who can challenge it? Well, a lot of people can challenge it. And that's how I I would say that Dr. John Richardson and his friend Ralph Bowman were two very strong advocates of the terrain theory, even though we never used those words back in that day. I was not aware of that until later when I was researching it.

SPEAKER_02 56:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:36

That's what it was. So what's the other, what's the terrain theory? Is that well, what is the terrain? What is the opposite of the bugs? Uh what keeps the bugs from getting out of control and doing things they're not supposed to do. And that's the immune system. Yeah. Basically. It's the immune system. And it's not only in us, it's out in the world around us, too. There are things that we can inhale, things that come from nature, maybe things that come off of uh plants that fly through the air. And some people have allergies against them because uh who knows, I don't know. But in general, they're healthy. And uh so instead okay, having I'm taking too long on this as usual, having discovered that there are two views of this, I had to ask myself, well, which is the best, or which one do I believe in? And I couldn't find any reason not to willingly and eagerly accept the terrain theory. And so basically, what I had to face with the uh face down is the fact that the medical profession as as it had captured my allegiance up until this time was based on treating symptoms to make you feel better and at the same time to kill the bugs. To kill the bugs and and so that you don't feel the pain. That was the total objective. So, but mostly to kill the bugs, because there's money in that.

SPEAKER_06 58:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

There's money and pain too, by the way. But uh so as long as you treat the symptoms, if you just treat the symptoms and never say what else is going on here, what caused the symptoms, you wind up with the medical profession that we now have. So now, that's a long way of saying what's my view of cancer, and not just my view, it's the view of a lot of very knowledgeable scientists, practitioners, and theorists, a lot of people like that, and that's that's who those who are my mentors. Uh there's a lot of literature on this, by the way, but it's not widely known, and it's hard to find in some cases. So I decided that the only correct way to treat any disease, cancer, or any other disease, is to find out what is the cause of it. And usually it's toxicity of some kind that uh breaks down the immune system or overpowers the immune system. And quite often that toxicity is self-inflicted.

SPEAKER_04 59:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

No, you're right. Quite often. Yeah. I mean, we do get it from the air, and they're sprinkling into the skies and all that stuff. Now they're putting this stuff in the drinking water, you know, all that stuff. We get it in the food, the glyphosates and all that stuff. We're getting toxic stuff all the time. And that's destroying, and our immune system is in overload.

SPEAKER_02 59:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:41

And so then the bugs come in, and we've got cancer, or we've got whatever else. You name your disease. Now, that is a very profound but very simplistic, overly simplified uh description of the two types of views of what is cancer or what is any disease, primarily, chronic diseases. Uh now you can have you can have this, you can have a a breakdown because you're too close to radiation or something like that, and that destroys your immune system. And you wind it in the same place, but it's got a little different genesis than most diseases that we're talking about. So if if the treatment of the disease has to include knowledge of what the disease is, then we have to look at cancer and say, well, what is the disease? Now, what is this thing that's uh destroying the immune system and that allows the the terrain to uh gets in the way of the terrain, keeping it in balance.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:47

Yeah. Well, I think an important note to to mention here is that the system doesn't bother with that question. That's to make sure we capture that. What it says is, yep, you're sick, and that's figure out how to treat it. It never steps back and says, what created it? How would the body handle it, or what's really going on here? It just says, how do we attack that? That's why the germ theory in some ways won the day because it puts us in the active, proactive. We can we can go to war with bugs, we can go to war with cancer, we can have this combat model with the body and how we're supposed to approach it. And so that's why the tools, in this case related to cancer, are more warfare tools. They're cutting on us, they're they're attacking and removing something. They're radiating, just like bombing things, essentially, x-ray therapy.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:35

They're destroyed, they're destroyers, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:37

It's it's going and it's attacking. And you did a great job in your book laying bare each of the three main ways, or or treatments, you will, what they'd call them, that the conventional model approaches dealing with cancer. You in surgery and radiation were the first two, and then the third one was chemo, and it was so bad you gave it its own chapter to describe how awful it was. But give us the, I guess maybe the quick version of the before we get to a better definition of cancer and and what other ways we can think about it and and work to heal from it. Give us first the the way that the system, what is what does surgery do? What does radiation do? What does chemo do? So that we can have an eyes wide open, because there'll be people listening to this who do have cancer and who are not going to get anything remotely close to informed consent or an honest answer about what those treatments do.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:35

Yeah, that is the next stage of the development of this logic behind the therapies that we're going to be talking about. Um yeah, what is the cause? Very seldom do you hear doctors talk about that. Uh sometimes, but even so, it's not in terms of how to fix it. It says that, well, you've been working too hard or something like that. Yeah. Well, yeah, that could be true, but you can work very, very hard and still not get sick if you if you understand the mechanism, because you start fortifying your body's nutrition to keep that terrain going there, you know? Correct. So you can do things about it. Um, but so so what is what is cancer?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

Um, how does conventional medicine approach cancer?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

Yeah, yeah. Um when it comes to surgery, the way I like to describe this, uh Christian, is it's kind of a startling thing to say, and I I like things like that that startle people, like, oh I wake up now. Listen. Go for it. Are you wake? Uh cancer is not caused by something. Oh. Tell me more, Mr. That's yeah. You did exactly right. Cancer is not caused by something, it's caused by the lack of something.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:53

Oh. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

Well, that changes everything, doesn't it? Yeah, so you're what's it lacking? Yeah, you're not gonna fix that with surgery then, are you? Yeah. I don't have to treat it at all. I just have to figure out what is lacking. Yeah.

unknown 1:04:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

And your body will treat it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:07

Yeah, give it what is lacking and the body will treat it.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

What an idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:10

What an idea, yeah. So yeah, the idea was that well, cancer or all all diseases, scurvy scurvy is a good example. What caused scurvy in the beginning? Nobody knew what it caused. All they knew is that sailors on ships got it. And it was something to do with ships. And the theory was there was uh some kind of a mold or some kind of a ugly bug that lurked in the dark holes of ships down below the water level was always damp and dun gingy, no sunlight. And they figured there was a bug. And so there were a lot of s attention scrubbing things and s sanitizing things. Didn't make any difference. The bug was still there. And then we find out, well, when the sailors got on shore and they started eating fruits and things that had citric juice in them, why they didn't have scurvy anymore, regardless of the dark holes in the ships. And um so it it took a long time to realize that it wasn't bugs in the dark holes of ships. It was big the fact that the British uh started giving their sailors uh lemons. And lemons last a pretty long time. They're sour, nothing would dare attack them.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:33

Right.

Vitamin B17 Amygdalin Laetrile

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

They last a lot. And you can suck on a lemon or slice it up a little bit, you don't get scurvy. And so the we found out again it that scurvy is not caused by something, it's caused by the lack of something. And you have pernicious anemia and a lot of conditions that we know about, and it's it's a known phenomenon. Diseases can be caused by the lack of something. But when you when you suggest that cancer, for example, is caused by the lack of something in the diet, people get enraged. What do you mean a lack of something? It's not food. This is cancer, man. This is really serious stuff. This isn't food related, they can't get it, you know? Yeah, and it's a simple thing. It's a a substance, I believe, and I think that science proves it, is a substance that's found in about 1,400 edible plants. 1400, they're all over the place. But modern man does not like the taste of it. It's very bitter. And so the more advanced society is and the more affluence there is, and the more selectivity you have on foods that taste sweet and not bitter, you select against all the bitter foods, and all of a sudden you you have a society that's coming down with cancer. It's as simple as that. And you can look at, as I did in the book, look at some societies around the world, the Hunzakuts in Northwest Pakistan, the Aboriginal Indians, American Indians, the Vilcambabos. I mean, there are places in the world where traditionally cancer is never seen, or very, very seldom seen. And in every case, if you examine the native diet of those people, you find That they are eating foods that are very rich in a particular substance that may not be in the diet and probably definitely is not in the diet of modern man living in the city. They're usually really relatively rural and and um basic societies where they they eat whatever they can eat, you know. And the the best the best example that I could find was the Hunza Kutz in Liv Living Hunza.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:01

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

A little dynasty up in the mountains and uh very hard to get to. You take your life in your hands because you have to walk along cliffs and and the swinging bridges over deep ravines. And Western man never got got in there until fairly recently. But when they did, for the first time, they said, There's no cancer here. What is it? How come?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:23

Well, wouldn't you know that in Hunza the delicacy of all the foods there was a was apricot.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

And the and they the real delicacy was the apricot seed. Now, if you've ever eaten an apricot seed, you know it is bitter as hell.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:46

Which is not a palate we are yeah grown up with around here.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:50

Yeah, we like our sugars. Yeah. And the California apricots are even more bitter than the Hunza apricots, by the way. So the hunzas, you could say, well, maybe they didn't notice it because it wasn't as bitter. But the bitter taste is from the substance that we're talking about. And the substance is known as amygdalin. Now we're talking now we're talking science. Yep. What is amygdalin? It's a molecule. And it's found in nature. And you're supposed to be eating it. That's why it's in 1,400 edible plants. The great creator, the great great creator who designed the universe did that for a reason. So that no matter where you live, you're going to find some plants that have this stuff in it. And it's part of the terrain. It's part of the terrain. You're supposed to cooperate with it and put it into your terrain so it can hold things in in containment, so to speak.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:55

That's what your friend John was finding. He was using amygdalene, if I remember correctly. That that was the substance he was giving to people with cancer, and he's having remarkable results with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:06

And they were coming after him because you're that's not approved. You're not allowed to essentially use nutrition to help people heal from a serious disease that we have other tools that we are we have approved. Never mind there. Proven is its whole whole puzzle of like, and what does proven mean, Doctor? Yeah, that's I have that memory correct. That's what he was using was amygdalin.

Trophoblast Theory And Overhealing

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

Amygdalene, yes. That's that's what it is. That is the primary sub. It's not the only thing out there, by the way. It's uh it's more complex than that. That's why I say this is an oversimplification. But as far as I could tell, and what I researched, is the amygdalene was by far, by far the most important of all of the substances that the terrain in your body needs. You need it all, actually, be to keep your system. And and a huge deficiency in any one of them could trigger cancer. But the one that is the most efficient in controlling cancer is called amygdalene. And it's uh, as I say, it's it's everywhere, but people don't eat it. There are a lot of clues though. I th you've read the book, so you know this, but your readers would find this interesting. One of the first clues before they even knew any of this was that in the Midwest here in the United States, th there was always in the winter time a problem with cows developing cancer, especially of the mouth and and uh around the mouth that would show up and then it would be intest the intestinal. But in the springtime, the cancers would go away. What is that all about, you know? And finally, somebody cracked the code. They said, Oh, well, look, what do the cows do in the springtime that they don't do in the wintertime or can't do in the wintertime? And the answer was clear. When the sun starts intensifying and the snow starts to melt, the first green grasses come up through the snow, and the cows start eating grass for the first time after three or four months. The grass, broadbaded grass, is a rich source of amygdalene. So the seasons provided the cure, and the cows didn't have to read any books to figure it out. Their instincts, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:35

Well, let me another fascinating aspect of your book was this was probably the one of the most helpful things was not just saying cancer is a toxin or a deficiency disease, but actually explaining what's going on in the body. And to do that, you had to talk about um how you you actually defined cancer in a chapter. You said cancer is the unnatural, uncontrolled, unchecked growth of trophoblast cells, which opened up a whole new category for me to start thinking about the puzzle. So um, with your obviously you've you wrote this a while ago. So with your best recollection, what first thing we need to do to explain that to people is to describe what a trophoblast cell is. So give us a definition of that or help us see the what the body's actually doing because cancer gets viewed as this tumor equals bad. The body's processes that are under whatever it's doing to manage its physiology, it's doing the wrong thing. And so we have to intervene. And understanding what trophoblast cells are gives you a different frame to go. Oh, wait a minute. Maybe what the body's doing is an intelligent response to something rather than something that we need to fight because the body has no clue what it's doing, and we haven't understood what these cells are and what their role is, or how the body protects itself from overgrowths like cancer. So, with that frame, give us a little background on trophoblast cells, if you would, and that part of your book, because it to me was so foundational to understanding what cancer is.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:12

Yeah, that that's the that's really the scientific core of the whole issue. Okay. Understanding trophoblast. And it's not easy. At least it wasn't easy for me. And um if I have any uh good luck at all, it's being able to take something that's very complicated and explain it in a simplified way that's perhaps oversimplification, but all of a sudden at least makes sense. Yeah, but you're brilliant, yeah. Yeah, keep going. So if you forgive me to have a little leeway to do that, I'll oversimplify it, and say that trophoblast is part of the constructive process of the human body where it causes cells to grow temporarily, part of a healing process or the birth process itself, the creation of the embryo and the creation of the umbilical cord. But going beyond that, the trophoblast is a form of a stem cell, and the stem cells have the programming inside them to become a certain stem cells, called if I can remember the word it um I can't remember the word.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:35

Yeah, there was you called them total live cells, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:38

Yeah. Yeah. The uh I'll maybe I'll think of it like I did with Ralph Bowman. Anyway, it's a certain type of a cell um that um causes healing. If and uh here comes this simplified explanation. If I scratch my skin there with my fingernails, you can't see it, but I just scraped off probably 30 or 40 cells of skin. Okay. I don't even feel it anymore. It's gone. It was there, but now it's gone. But the body knows that it just lost 30 skin cells. And already I can hear the sirens going off in there and and the whistle's blowing, and machines are getting fired up, and the body's going to work to replace my skin cells which have been damaged or removed. It's a healing process without which we would die. We would never replace any cells that got old or got damaged. So it's part of the healing life process. Now, what happens when they what does the body do about that? Well, the signals go off, and among other things, a little estrogen sh floods that area. Men have a estrogen too. And it's not just for female uh purposes, but it's part of the healing process and replacement of damaged tissue. It's part of life, it's part of being alive, it's good. But now the body sends this stuff out, not just the estrogen, but there are other things going on, and it it's working away while we're sipping our mint jewelry, and first thing you know, it's all healed and it stops. Well, I don't know, and I don't think anybody knows why or how it stops healing, but it's smart enough to do that. Otherwise, if it didn't stop, it would just keep healing, wouldn't it? And the first thing you know, we'd have a growth on our hand. This is the definition as I see it, the simplified definition of cancer. It's the overgrowth of healing tissue that's been stimulated to heal because of some damage or age or some deficiency in the old tissue is now going into repair mode and it's creating new tissue, but the whistle to stop the process doesn't get blown. And it just keeps healing and overhealing. And oh my gosh, I've got a little tumor there, or it's inside my body. It is a tumor of trophoblast cells, which are commonly associated with the development of the embryo in pregnancy and the umbilical cord. Pure, as I remember in my own understanding of it, is pure trophoblast. And um all these other cells in the uh in your hand or your foot or your ear or wherever else, they too are trophoblasts, but they're not as not as dynamic and not as powerful as an embryonic version of it. Which is ah, I just remember the diploid totopotent cells. Right. It's amazing that you remember that. Yes, that's incredible. You see, you you you've got to have a dictionary. But once you understand the principles, you can forget the words, you know. Yeah. Yeah, these are diploid totipotent cells, which means diploid means it's uh it's got two ploids or two two two groupings of all the DNA. And these in the early stages of pregnancy can become one cell, a diploid totopotent cell, can become any cell in the body. And this all goes on for, I don't know, a few weeks, a few months, I've forgotten the exact number, and then that stops, and uh these cells become differentiated. Now they can't become any cell. They start learning that they have to become a finger or a a left hand finger, or the finger just at the tip at the end, and as the embryo develops, it be gets more and more look localized, and it gets its instructions of where it has to finally settle down in the body and become skin, for example, on my right hand so forth. It's an amazing pr thing, the way God created this thing. And this is this was this was engineering that it just blows your mind, you know. And uh so anyway, that's what we mean when we say, or they mean when they say the scientists, that cancer is trophoblast. Dr. Ernst Krebs said that, and uh he was ridiculed for it. He was the originator of the laotrill concept. And uh he was ridiculed and and condemned for being so stupid, pretending that he has knowledge he doesn't have, and so forth. And then, as you saw in my book, 40, 50 years later, a couple of the universities said, up, he was right. That's it's the next, that's less nothing to see here, let's move on to the next topic. Yeah. And there now it's admitted that cancer is trophoblast. But what does that mean, people said trophoblast, it's crazy stuff. It just means back to the my oversimplified definition, which is that cancer is the overhealing process. It went awry, it somehow didn't get the stopping whistleblow. So it just continues, it's there to save your life. Yeah. It does save your life because it healed something, but then it overheals. Now, what is the thing? What's the whistle that says stop healing? Maybe it's amygdalene, but it's probably a combination of a lot of different things that are found in nature that altogether add up to that whistle stop. You're healed now, buddy. Go out and play tennis and relax and have a good time. Don't go to the hospital, stay away from doctors.

Enzymes Immune Evasion And Protection

SPEAKER_06 1:21:53

Right. Well, you had you didn't just have an amygdalene or what's it's called B17. There was actually four things I found in your book that talk about the backup systems or the way the body makes sure that when a healing process is finishing, it knows to stop doing those. And one of the most fascinating was your talk about pancreatic enzymes and how the pancreas makes enzymes and fascinates some of the physiology. So I'll connect a couple of dots for you guys. So the pancreas makes, among other things, it's hormones and enzymes, but it puts them into the digestive tract at the duodenum level or duodenum, depending on who taught you how to say that. But that's that little C valvet that kind of connects the small intestine and the stomach. So right there is where the pancreas will put enzymes into the body, but you hardly ever hear about duodenum cancer. You don't, that's it's not a thing. And part of that is because the enzymes made by the pancreas, uh, trypsin and amylotrypsin in particular, are something that tell the cancer cell that the cells that are replicating for a healing process that it's time to be done. But it's also significant because if somebody has pancreatic cancer, that's a really hard one to overcome because you they don't get this the the those enzymes aren't activated until they hit the duodenum. They don't actually, the pancreas doesn't get to benefit from its own uh product that it makes, if you will. So um, and then that's also relevant, obviously, to to diabetes.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:22

Yeah, that's very true. And that's the that's the reason that all the practitioners who understand this, who use not only laotril and amygdalin, but other therapies as well, they understand this this more complicated side of the of this process. And um they let's say where was I going with that? They uh oh that uh what they always prescribe for their patients is uh a good source of trypsin and chymotrypsin, pancreatic enzymes. Right. Because those are the enzymes that strip away the coating around a cancer cell. The cancerous cells actually have a coating, a protein coating around them. And people say, well, well, how come the immune system, all your you know, your your white blood cells, how come they don't attack cancer? It's a foreign element, isn't it? Well, they don't attack cancer because it's covered with the protein coating to protect it. And it's the enzyme that we're talking about that eats away that protein coating. And once that's dissolved, all of a sudden, whammo, now the white blood cells can get into the cancer cells and away they go. Yeah. And again, it's part of that magic for that design, that engineering. These chemical reactions don't just happen at random. Yeah. So it's a beautiful mechanism of nature if we just open our minds and start looking for what nature teaches us, you know?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:50

Yeah. Well, another thing you mentioned when you were using your scratching the skin analogy is you mentioned that estrogen comes to the area and another set of another enzyme that different parts of your body make, your liver, kidney, spleen, etc., they make uh an enzyme called glucaronidase, which deactivates estrogen when it comes in contact with it. And so until I read your book, I I couldn't figure out why various, like there's different hormone therapies people take, and it'll it'll decrease the risk of this type of cancer, but dramatically increase the propensity for other types of cancer. And I didn't understand the estrogen connection until you talked about how estrogen is kind of this base where anytime there's healing that needs to happen, estrogen comes in as part of the repair process. And when you start tinkering with the estrogen, you might shrink one gland that's overgrowing, but you shift the way the body now has access to estrogen or the body's healing processes, and you can increase it in other ways. But that simple enzyme that other parts of your body make is also part of how the cells that are replicating and doing the healing part, that's how they know they can be done. Because the enzyme will come in and basically keep the process from overhealing, to use your words, or um allowing the body to go in the malignancy stage where now the cells are replicating and the body can't control it anymore. So anything you want to say more about the enzyme, either of those two, or the aspects of how tinkering with the endocrine system can also lead to cancer and how a basic understanding of these functions is relevant to getting arms around what cancer is?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:31

Well, I think you your summary of it is about all you can say. Okay. You've got to be careful on these things. You don't want to start getting too creative and figuring out a better way. My view after looking at all these complexities is that we will never really understand them in totality, but we must understand that they happen naturally and automatically by the body. The body knows what we don't know. Yeah, it does. And and so if we just concentrate on what is natural and make sure the body has the ingredients, the raw ingredients, and make sure it doesn't come out of a test tube. Yes. That's the other side. Because if it does come out of a test tube, I'm gonna say the chances are 99% or more that it's going to be toxic and be counterproductive. So we've got to find those things from nature. They're there, they're all over the place. If we just know what to look for, and if we maybe diversify and say, well, Lord, I don't know what I'm supposed to be eating, but I want a little bit of this, a little bit of that. And uh let your instinct take over. Instinct, I think, is important. I was it was fascinating for me to learn that some researchers had actually uh put um apricots into the hands of apes at the zoo in San Diego and to see what they what they we're talking about instinct, okay? Yeah. Somebody said that that the uh monkeys and the apes have an instinct to eat apricot seeds. Oh, so somebody, I've forgotten the professor's name, he went to San Diego Zoo with apricots, and he the he got permission of the zoo keepers. The the big old gorilla sitting there, he's he he's he was born in the zoo, and he's never he's never been in the jungle, he doesn't know anything about apricots, never saw one before, and they gave him a little bowl of apricots. And the story is just you you know it's coming. The the gorilla looks at it, sniffs it, picks it up, looks at it, sniffs it again, takes a little bite, spits out the sweet stuff, peels it away, he's got the seed, cracks the seed open with his jaws, breaks it apart, and eats the apricot seed. Yeah. We just know it's so cool. I mean, I mean, what what more do you need to know? Yeah. Stop trying to outthink the cr the engineering. Just do what's natural.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:12

Well, and on that note, you the way that you reframed tumors was fascinating because the medical world is tumor is bad, we gotta get rid of that thing. And you've said that a a benign tumor is a monument to the body's victory over cancer. Like it it's the body's it kind of it it will use you talk about it more in depth, these enzymes. And it will start the healthy cells will procreate and basically build a fortress around cells that are that might go rug or that it can't stop. And so that's your cysts and your polyps and your tumors. They they are when they're just benign, they're sitting there because the body has already figured out, okay, well, this is my bad other backup system that I have. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:48

Yeah, they're they're already gone, basically. Yeah. They're no longer a threat. Yeah. And they just have to take some time to get absorbed and and carried away. But it might take years. Yeah. But they're not going to harm you anymore. I yeah, you're right. They're monuments of success.

unknown 1:30:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:04

Well, that was your one. No, if they're actively growing, they're not monuments anymore. No. Now they're the enemy.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:09

Right. But that it just gave me, it was fun to get more context on, oh, this is what the body's doing, and how do I assist it? It's I have a deficiency, I have a toxicity, I have a um possibly an intervention that if you're tinkering too much with the endocrine system, I can actually wreck the body's ability to balance its own hormones and create a different problem while I'm trying to solve one problem, which is really that that medical model. The other one that was, I thought, we could talk chemo, radiation, and surgery, but your main point about surgery was that it can actually spread the cancer because you can't cut into biological tissue without overriding this and having fluid exchange through chambers. So that is, is there anything else you want to say, just in contrasting what we're talking about with trusting the body with the outcomes that are predictable or what the medical world will offer in terms of the three treatments? So people can have kind of more of a balanced or holistic view of here's what my options are, so they can evaluate what these worlds do. And we can obviously point them to your book, but any sort of cliff notes you want to give them on here's what those those therapies are going to offer you and why you might want to ask better questions or ask different questions.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:30

Right. Well, yeah, your caution is well advised because you don't want to give advice. I mean, even if I if I were a medical doctor and could legally give advice, I would probably not want to do it. I would rather point, yeah. Because you could be wrong, you know? Yeah. Not no system, we don't understand them 100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:55

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:56

But I do lean heavily on statistics. If I statistics seem to be uh well engineered and so forth. And uh I would say that most practitioners who use these products that we're talking about uh will say something like, well, if it were me, this is what I would do. Yeah. Because if you make a recommendation, uh you could say, Well, this is my opinion, but to make a recommendation puts you right in the saddle, you know. And if it doesn't work, and it doesn't always work, I mean, I can say with all honesty and sincerity that from the massive statistics I have seen going from doctor to doctor to doctor who use these products and knowing about their practice, and um and my wife is an RN and she co-authored a book with Dr. Richardson later on layotral case histories and so forth, and she's looked knee deep and chin deep in all these research papers and uh doctor's reports and so forth. Having looked at all that data and knowing that it was genuine data, I have no hesitancy to say that the odds are strongly in favor of doing exactly that. Is that uh, you know I'm not gonna recommend that you not do what your doctor tells you to do and do what I do or would do, but I would just say the statistics I believe are valid, that the odds are are very good. And that's where it falls on the patient. This is the patient unfortunately wants to say, Well, I want you to tell me what to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:46

Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:47

Um they they want the doctor to tell them what to do. And unfortunately, I think too many doctors are eager to do that. Um, mainly because even the doctors, I shouldn't say even the doctors, especially the doctors, are harder to understand it's harder for them to understand this because they've already gone through ten years or so of of training and indoctrination of a certain viewpoint. And uh it's almost impossible to get rid of that. And uh I used to complain in those days about how difficult it was for a a complete uh uh ignoramus like myself to understand these things we're talking about. But Dr. John and others have said to me, and you don't realize how lucky you are. What do you mean lucky? They said, You don't have to unlearn anything. Right. And that too is a major part of this story. Yeah, it is. It's for example, talking about the um the apricot seeds and uh what's the amygdalin, the orthodox community says, you don't want to take those seeds. Do you know what's in there? Arsenic. Cyanide.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:04

Cyanide, sorry. Yes, cyanide. I've meant cyanide.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:07

Yes, those things are loaded with cyanide, you know. Cyanide can kill you. Yeah, you're paying somebody and they're giving you cyanide. Are you crazy, man? And most cancer patients, if that's all they hear and all they know, they're gonna say, really? Is it true? And it is true. Oh, oh, and they go running out the door, you know. What they don't understand, well, one of the many things they don't understand, and one of the many things I didn't understand in the beginning, is that no, there is no cyanide in these uh seeds. There's something called uh a cyanide compound, but cyanide is a gas. There's no gas in the in the in the seeds, okay? Well, what is in the seed? Well, it's a compound that can includes the capacity to release gas if it's mixed with certain things. And it it's found in nature, and it's it's not dangerous. And in fact, if you look at the bottle of a vitamin B12 bottle of tablet and look at the ingredients, it'll say cynocobalamine. It has cyanide in it. Vitamin B12, one of the building blocks is cyanide. That doesn't mean it is or contains cyanide, it just means it was built out of cyanide. And uh okay. But and they and these people that go around saying, oh, you don't want to do that, it's got cyanide in it. Most of them know that what they're doing is not fair. They know they're trying to trick people to scare them away from taking a closer look at these natural therapies. It's part of the defense mechanism of the pharmaceutical industry, is so that people do not know the truth.

Why Doctors Don’t Learn This

SPEAKER_06 1:36:58

Yeah. No, look, you made a point in the book, too, about cyanide particular, that it's the same with chlorine gas. If you breathe that in, not good. But if you put chlorine with sodium, you've got salt. Like you've got interacts with. It's it's not that it's that system has gotten really good at using fear to talk people into and out of things that essentially it's hate, it's I hate to say it just aligns their pockets. That really is the system is disfunctioning as it was designed to, and that is to make money. Not necessarily, if that happens to help you, great. But that's really a theme you picked up on. Let's let's kind of talk about the second half of your book because that obviously we don't have time to cover all that, but a few things that you said really jumped out to me that I hadn't pieced together before. It was the, you mean you went back as far talking about John Rockefeller's dad and where the American Medical Association started, and and you got into obviously I. G. Farben, Nazi Germany, and just how monopolists think and how they captured institutions. So you couldn't work without their approval. But one thing you pointed out was that in 1913, uh, not only did we get the Federal Reserve and the IRS, but that same year we also got the tax exempt foundations, which allowed these monopolists to kind of do fake philanthropy to pretend they were helping and give large sums of money and be exempt from any sort of profit they could get from it. And it just centralized and sucked up more of basically of human resources. And it's the same year that we got the American Cancer Society, which I guess has a track record of 113 years of abysmal failure, because we haven't done anything to improve that. But so that's those are some of just my high-level takeaways from the second half of the book, all about that. But is there anything you want to say or Cliff Notes versions, things to nudge people to go really understand this history so we can be eyes wide open about what the system is? What would you say about um what kind of became the the impetus you had to say? I have to answer this question. Why doesn't my doctor know about alternative methods of of helping cancer? What else would you want the listener to know about that half of the book?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:20

Well, I think that's really it. I think it's important to know that your doctor is not a bad guy.

unknown 1:39:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:28

He's a victim as well as we are. In fact, statistically, doctors have more cancer and die more higher morbidity rate than non-doctors.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:41

So that should be a clue as to which direction you want to go when you have cancer. You want to go toward a doctor or away from a doctor. Now, of course, that's an oversimplification. It's not fair. Because there are a lot of doctors, a lot of them increasingly now, who got who understand this. Especially since this theater called COVID, um it was so obvious now to millions of people that they cannot trust their their authorities in the field of medicine anymore. And I think they realize that it didn't work. It caused a lot of death and still is and still will, a humongous amount of death and suffering. And that's a lesson that's not going to go away. But um it takes things like that, I suppose, for the average person to get it. And and unfortunately, the I know a lot of doctors, and I know that there are a lot of them are still in in handcuffs, so to speak. They have to do what they're told now, or they lose their license. If they didn't if they didn't prescribe stuff as required. Not their choice. They're told what they have to prescribe. And if they don't do that, they will lose their license, they lose their practice, they lose their livelihood, their whole life of training, and most of them are making good good money, but all of a sudden the income stops and they've got to get a job writing books or something.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:23

Yeah. Which I can say from talking to you is an admirable profession.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:29

The fallback. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:30

No, it really is. Well, I I thank you on behalf of everyone that will hear this or has been impacted by your work and your books. And and the fact that you're still in a fight just means so much to so many of us. I got to obviously you had had the pleasure of spending a couple days with you and just hearing parts of your life story and what makes you tick and why you will always have a hill to take, and another, there's always another book to write, and another battle that's worth fighting, and and um helping humanity with whatever meager tools and words we have to try to nudge us forward. I just am so inspired by who you are and by what you do and the way that you do it with kindness and grace, and just you're hard to trick. And I love that about you because you're you see through the matrix so well.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:18

The only reason I'm hard to trick is because I've been tricked so many times.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:23

Good to know. Okay, so I've probably got a few more coming before several more coming before I yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:28

Well, thank you for that. I appreciate it, but I just do what I have to do. It's my crusader gene, I guess. Yeah, and uh I just hope we get a lot of people that listen to their crusader gene because we need an army of rebellion, an army of resistance, yeah, an army of truth tellers, and who are willing to stand up and and take the take the abuse because we're up against a very highly organized and very well-funded, very powerful opposition, and they don't like what we're doing. No doubt. So get ready for the fight.

Red Pill Expo And Where To Start

SPEAKER_06 1:43:04

Yeah, well, I'm all in, and I'm happy to stand shoulder to shoulder, and I don't feel worthy to carry your gym bag around, but I'll do it anytime you let me. So Well, let me put in a little plug. If this if this Yeah, go for it. I want to be able to hear where to find you.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:17

Well, we have um we have an event coming up, and it's part of this pro process I'm describing of what we do about it, and it's called the Red Pill, Red Pill Expo. And um we have one and sometimes two of those a year, and we bring in top speakers on various aspects of of the red pill concept which is you know uh reality over illusion. And um and we bring the best speakers together that we can, and we have the next one coming up in uh Las Vegas on um uh July 11th and 12th. And if I urge people if you possibly can come to come, but it's gonna be online also if you can't make it to Las Vegas and it's free. You don't you could send a donation if you wanted to, but no, it's open to the world free, and it's two days. So check it out. And if you can come, you're gonna meet other people with similar mind, similar view. And you might even walk away becoming part of a movement to make things better in this world. That's what the whole plan is, is to organize people and to create a movement, not just to understand, but to fight back.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:39

Yeah. No, it's that's and understanding is kind of the precursor to effectively fighting. And I'm so glad that you put those together so we can it's hard to when you have a map of reality that doesn't work. When if you're trying to operate from bad information, you can't be very effective when you do go to move. And that your foundation or your effort that you're putting out to teach us and then organize us is so needed. So yeah, thank you for doing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:06

Well, thank you for your interest in that. So I welcome you. And I wish we had a lot more guys like you out there, but maybe we do, we just haven't.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:15

Right. I I wasn't really awakened in the fight until after COVID kicked off. I'm like, wait a minute, I do not understand something fundamental because I can't explain all this. So it took me a while, but I'm present and accounted for. And if you're listening to this, we could certainly use your help. So give people some um websites or places they can find you, give them a copy of the Well, the Red Pill Expo is a good place to begin.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:36

Uh, we have a weekly, uh multiply three times a week news service that's also free. So I urge you to look that up and sign up for it. It's called uh needtoknow.news. Needto Know dot news. And uh you'll see what we think about what's going on in the world and many other areas similar to the cancer story. We find this uh this fraud and this uh these lies, uh these red pills need to be taken all over the place. Yeah, it's not just in healthcare, it's in politics, it's in wars, it's in money. Yep. It's uh even in religion in some places. Unfortunately, that's true. Unfortunately, yeah. It's everywhere you look. Anything, the more important place there is, more important the topic is, you'll find that these people we're talking about have been working on it for over a hundred years, well over that.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:34

Heck, I'm almost a hundred years old, and I this was well underway when I was born. Yep. And uh so we have a lot of work to do. Yep. But it can be done, and we it's up to us. Yeah, we are the ones we've been waiting for.

Physical Books And Trusted Sources

SPEAKER_06 1:46:47

Yep, that's why we're talking. So one last thing I'll say is give people a plug for getting a physical copy of your at least your cancer book, but any of them really, because that to me, even researching for this episode was hard without a physical copy. So let people know the importance of getting a real book.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:05

Yeah, well, I think uh needtoknow.news is a good place to begin. That's uh our our our website, you know, our our news, our news service.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:16

And uh realityzone.com is a bookstore, an online bookstore, and have all of my books, and fortunately, a lot of others also. We have over a hundred excellent books and videos that people can uh access. Oh, yeah, there it is, Reality Zone. And uh boy, that that'd be enough to make your jaw drop all day long for a long time. Yes, those uh those items. And um and then there's red pilluniversity.org, which is where we start building the the momentum, the organization to take back control of our lives.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:58

And so we have plenty to do. Once you get interested, they you can it's like a schmorgesborga. Where do you start?

SPEAKER_06 1:48:06

For sure. There's so many angles. We just need your I I love the point you make at the top of that website. Actually, it's like you said, um, once the bell is wrong, it can cannot be unrung. Once you take the red pill, the illusion can't be restored. Once you enter the reality zone, you can never return to the twilight zone. That pretty much sums it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:26

Yeah, that's that sums it up.

SPEAKER_06 1:48:28

Yeah, I mean, whatever way you get in, just get here and whatever your angle or your industry or your profession, something that um gives you an angle. I'm I'm in the health and freedom lane like you, and it's such an it's like the top of my list of dream interviews. And here I am talking to the the legend and who's done so much, and I'm doing my best to keep the torch going. So okay.

Final Thoughts And Farewell

SPEAKER_01 1:48:53

Maybe you can make it out to the expo. I'll if I can make it, I will be there for sure. Please do, yeah. And bring your friends. Yeah, I mean it's free. Well, to go to the event, it costs you a few bucks, but it's very cheap. Yep. That's uh that's our intent, isn't not to make money on this thing, although you've got to make money to pay for it. Yep. But no, we want people to see it, so we have no price. And if you got a little loose change in your pocket and you want to donate something, that's fine. But get the word out is the main thing. Yeah. So okay. Well, Christian, thank you for what you're doing and thanks for inviting me on the show. And please send me a copy of this. I want to listen to it and find out all the mistakes I made. And me too. Let's see if we can I sent instead of you know, whatever. So you're all right. Thank you, my friend. Much appreciated. Thank you.