The Co-Founder Conundrum: The Unspoken Challenges of Founding Together

Dive into the high-stakes world of startup partnerships as we unravel the co-founder conundrum with BFF and former co-founder, Stefany Goradia. From equity splits to friendship fallouts, we're talking unfiltered truths about founding together. Discover why two heads aren't always better than one and whether mixing business with besties is brilliant or disastrous. Whether you're contemplating a partnership or already in the trenches, this episode is your survival guide to the wild ride of co-founding. 

Check out our previous episode, Failed Partnerships: Ingredients for a Beautiful Disaster if you want to hear more reflections on our flops.

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[00:00:00] Welcome to She's Ambitious AF, the bold and empowering podcast that turns up the volume on female entrepreneurship. Join us as we dive headfirst into the wild world of boss babes, where we spill the tea on all things ambition, success, and the occasional hilarious disaster. 

Angelica Maestas (Host): We're back with another episode of She's Ambitious AF. Today I'm joined by a guest that hasn't been on in a while. Stephanie, why don't you introduce yourself?

Stefany Goradia (Guest): All right. Well, hi, everybody. I'm Stephanie Gradia. I'm all things healthcare analytics, health equity and health tech innovation. And for those of you who don't know or haven't heard an episode with Ange and I, we are also former co founders. We founded our first company, one of our first companies together.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And so we have lots to share about that topic today. It seems

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yes. So we're discussing the co founder dilemma and there are pros [00:01:00] and cons to, to having a co founder. I think from an investor lens, it's definitely, a strong point for the team to know that it's not one person trying to do it all alone, it's more the dynamics of that relationship and who you choose to be your co founder.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): that's kind of interesting because you don't often think to co found or not to co found. Through this kind of a lens. So that's interesting. Yeah. So tell us, tell us a little bit more through your, through your VC lens. What are some of the pros and cons that you're going to look for as a VC when evaluating a team with co founders and without co founders?

Angelica Maestas (Host): So if they have a founder you're looking to see are the skill sets complementary or are they identical and these are just buddies who want to do something together. You know, is there a real rhyme or method to the madness on why they are going down this startup journey? So

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Hmm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): they each have set that the other doesn't, and that [00:02:00] they they fill in some of those gaps.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Strategic.

Angelica Maestas (Host): The other thing to look for is, have they worked together in the past? they've other businesses together. It's always great to have founding teams who then team up to for on another venture, especially when the last one was successful. speaks a lot to the team dynamic and they know how to navigate startup world together. 

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So you're saying it would be potentially a red flag if they had not, potentially, or an orange flag maybe if they had not worked together in the past.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah, it just invites a little more inquiry. And so you really want to understand how strong is that relationship? As you and I know, running a business is stressful. It, you know, it wears on you emotionally, mentally. benefit of having a co founder is you're weathering it together. if you haven't had conversations about how the business will be run, who is supposed to [00:03:00] do what, what happens when there's conflict, how do each of you navigate through that? there's just a lot more questions to ask when

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Hmm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): founder that hasn't worked together

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Let's talk a little bit. On the topic of co founders and kind of what you're looking at through the VC lens, let's talk a little bit about the equity split. I know that when you and I, you know, went into things very green, I think we were like 50, 50, that obviously just seems normal because you know, there's two, two co founders.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah. And I think that we found that, you know, down the line is, as there were make or break decisions to be made, it can really come down to how the equity split is. Because as you mentioned, if you don't have some of those. And then there's communication lines or whatever, or even just contingency plans in place to say, here's how we're going to handle certain things like it could come down, frankly, down to an impasse.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So I want to share with you all this interesting graphic that we found from CARTA. And if you don't follow [00:04:00] CARTA, I highly recommend following. They put out a lot of really interesting data and statistics and benchmarks about equity and startups and things like that. Let me pull this up. And this graphic shows.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It's kind of just the averages basically across their whole book, but how the co founder equity pie is typically split depending on how many co founders you have. So again, these are just broad averages, but here in the upper left, we see if there's two founders, we're seeing a 45 55 split, which means that.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): You know, if you do come to one of those challenging decisions or impasses, ultimately, one person is going to have the final say. And I just think for governance now that, in retrospect, just just makes perfect sense. It could be hard to talk about who and what and where and why. To split those, I mean, it could be more of like a 49 51, but I think that's definitely a conversation to have moving over here to the top, right?

Stefany Goradia (Guest): We see with three co founders. We're seeing a little bit more disparity [00:05:00] in the or difference in the split. So we're getting to 47 for the primary 33 for the 2nd and then 20 percent for the 3rd. And it's interesting as you go into the bottom left in the bottom, right 4 and 5 founders, which Seems like a lot, but you can just see how those, how those splits you know, shake out.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): I dunno, what are your thoughts on this?

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah, I think, so the biggest reason that when you see a, we'll keep it simple and we'll say it's just two, two founders, two members of the founding team. And if you look at their equity split and it's 50 50, the, the reason it's concerning is not so much because who makes the decision, but it's more an indication that, These partners haven't had uncomfortable conversations yet.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): that's a good point. Yep.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Because it is uncomfortable to make a case to why you should have more equity.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Mm-Hmm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): if, if you're not willing to do that, then there's a sign that you're not going to be able to handle [00:06:00] conflict, down the road. Whenever things get uncomfortable. And, and we know

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Mm mm-Hmm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): uncomfortable, especially when things aren't going well. As, successfully or as quickly as planned. And so that's the, that's one of the, the biggest indications of, of a team that isn't really good at having those conversations yet.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah. That's an interesting point. And I think too, it's, it kind, you know, I kind of go back to like, whose butt is on the line. You know, whose ass is on the line? Like. Generally, and this goes back to your point about communication and really talking about some of these things openly and honestly and advocating for yourself, because, like, generally, I think there is going to be one person who is taking on more responsibility or mental stress or financial burden or whatever, and I think we all like to think that we're all contributing equally, but I think those are real, and we all kind of think, well, we're probably, you know, contributing more, but like, I think those are just really hard to Conversations to have, but [00:07:00] important ones to have up front.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): lot of times it's a little chicken before the egg, because if you think about it, when you're forming the company, you're way early on, very, very early stage. And you're like, sure, 50, you know, 50, 50 or whatever, because we think you'll do this and I'll do that and whatever. And then quickly, you know, within the next year or two years, you see, like, things are not quite shaking out that way, but you did your, your partnership stuff like, okay, Years ago, and so it's it seems kind of early to talk about it, but it just through the timeline of how things happen.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It does need to be kind of talked about up front. So, yeah, those are really good considerations. It kind of reminds, it makes me think a little bit about another thing that you and I've talked a lot about, which is seeing, you know, Friends and or family and or spouses go into businesses together as co founders.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): That's obviously the position that we found ourselves in as best friends. And I want to caveat this because I don't want every listener out there to think, Oh my gosh, like I'm in business with my friend and things are going to, you know, be challenging. We're going to lose our friendship, whatever. Like that's not what we're [00:08:00] saying.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And I definitely think that we're speaking in generalities. You know, there's always exceptions to the rule that every single person is different and their dynamics are different. So this is really just based on our experience and and our colleagues and things like that. But I think that was a big challenge for us because we, we knew each other too well.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): You know, so it's, I think it's a little bit of a difference going into business with a friend or colleague that's like, you know, them like you're friendly, you're friends with them, but like your best friend who knows like all of your deepest, darkest, you know, fears and motivators and, and fatal flaws and, and all the good things too, of course, why they're going into business with you, but, but.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Knowing each other too well, I mean, you're gonna, there's just no way for me anyway to decouple, you know, the relationship dynamic from the business dynamic, like one of the same. Good and bad. You may grant this person more concessions than you would just Any old schmo friend that you had, you know, like that you weren't so close with.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): You may be afraid to share certain things with them or talk with them because your communication around certain [00:09:00] things have been, you know, hard in the past. I don't know what it is, but you're bringing whatever dynamic you have into the relationship. You're going to amplify it because it's going to be into now a pressure cooker too.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): I don't know. What are your thoughts on that? You've, you've, you've interviewed quite a few people who've gone into business with friends. It's not all doom and gloom. I mean, I think there's definitely some benefits. Goals.

Angelica Maestas (Host): we'll take our friends from Single Space Strategies. We've had them on the show. They are best friends, and also two of them are married to each other. And, you know, you and I were like, Oh God, could never do that with a spouse. But they've got harmony, and I think a lot of it is their, communication styles, and they made agreements on how they handle certain decisions.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Like they, they've, they said upfront, if there's a client that one of us doesn't want, then we don't take it. You know, we don't push forward just because so and so wants to, or we need the money, whatever [00:10:00] it is. If the three of us are in disagreement about a client, we don't take it. So, you know, that might make one or two of them unhappy at times, but I think it order to that kind of chaos that can ensue.

Angelica Maestas (Host): I,

Stefany Goradia (Guest): alludes to what you said about you have to have these conversations up front and you have to have open, honest communication. So in this case, the friendship actually benefited them because they are so close and trust each other and feel safe with one another to have those conversations.

Angelica Maestas (Host): mm

Stefany Goradia (Guest): They are able to form agreements that then circumvent some of the challenges down, down the line as things get tough. And you can refer back and say, Hey, we agreed on this, you know. So yeah, that's a great point.

Angelica Maestas (Host): I think, too, it's important to carve out time for the friendship you're talking to each other every single day. Sometimes it seems like all day, but it's usually all work related. so you have to think about, what you will do to preserve the [00:11:00] friendship

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Mm,

Angelica Maestas (Host): keep that intact and to keep it healthy, which you and I, I think we like waited until we were burning out and then we're like, okay, something has to change.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): yeah, for sure. That's a, that's a really interesting point and it kind of also, I think, goes back to that sort of too comfortable phenomenon because like you, if you're having, it's interesting 'cause like if you're having challenges in, in the work setting with one another or just with the business or, or stressors or whatever, it can be a little bit diff difficult to be like.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Turn it off.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): over slack or something. And then like, then you're having a happy hour that night. Like, Hey, how's, you know, how's life, you know, how are the kids? So yeah, being very intentional, but just also just like you said, kind of having some good boundaries. I think one of the things that we did was, was started to say, okay, we're going out for, you know, your birthday or whatever, and like no work talk.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Like this is all personal and it's hard when you're, you know, when you, your business is your baby. And that's, I mean, it's. It's [00:12:00] there's lots to be done and lots of exciting stuff to talk about, too. But yeah, carving out and having some some boundaries are good, but also makes me think, too. I think this is really important philosophy wise and something we didn't talk about you know, different people are motivated by different things.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): They have different motivations for doing things. They have different goals in life, different philosophies https: otter. ai I should say they handle things differently, process things differently and approach things differently in life. So one of the third things you should also think about as you're going into a co founding kind of a situation with friends or family or relationships, whatever, is have an honest look inside of yourself and say, are you going to put, when it comes down to it, are you going to put business first or are you going to put the friendship first?

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer. But I do think that if those answers are different among the co founders, that's, that could potentially cause a lot of strife, if not [00:13:00] even be somewhat catastrophic in the end, when you come to some kind of a, an impasse or a disagreement or something, and you find out in that situation that your views on that were different, and it's a very uncomfortable thing.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It's also a very uncomfortable thing to look inside of yourself to think about. But I think it's really important if, so if you upfront, you kind of go into it and saying, Hey, how's this going to play out and what's going to happen when it's this or that. Now, if you're all on the same page, maybe that's good.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Like maybe that, you know, maybe that kind of goes a little bit more slowly because we're like all in agreement, like friendships first, like relationships first, like whatever. But if there's different goals in life, different motivations, you regard business differently. Like that may not be the case. And that's, I think where things kind of become incongruent, just like a marriage, you know, when you have different, Views and philosophies on stuff, and it doesn't come out until there's a big issue, and then you're like, oh, like, we're fundamentally different in this way.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It doesn't mean I don't love you any less. It doesn't mean I, you know, want to, you know, work with you any less. But it's just like, maybe this particular [00:14:00] dynamic because of all the things isn't gonna be so good.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Mm hmm. Mm

Stefany Goradia (Guest): know, but maybe folks can navigate that a little bit better again if their communication and their, their dynamic and everything is, is better.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): I just really think of it like an amplifier, honestly, of anything.

Angelica Maestas (Host): hmm. I

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So. Yeah, I

Angelica Maestas (Host): We're like, when are we going to learn this lesson for good? Yeah.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): don't know. I don't know about that. I'm kind of giving up hope. Yeah,

Angelica Maestas (Host): like we grew into the roles that honestly we were not equipped for. I don't think anyone is equipped to be a great founder, a first time founder. There's just lots of development and lots of learning that goes on. So I think if you're doing this with someone you know and you love, There's going to have to be grace extended on both sides [00:15:00] at some point. And I think it would have been fun if we had maybe talked about the kind of leaders we wanted to grow into and the ways we wanted to develop, and then maybe we could have also helped each other along in that way. Mm

Stefany Goradia (Guest): really good. Yeah, like I said, I don't know that it's necessarily a deal breaker either. Like everyone's very different. Like you're much better at compartmentalizing and drawing boundaries and saying, okay, I Today I have my business hat on and here's the decision in wine. Here's how I'm going to regard it or whatever, whether it's you or anyone else for the most part.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And then like for me, I'm much more like, there's much more blurred lines because it's just like, I'm just a more emotionally driven kind of touchy feeling on that kind of stuff. And so, you know, maybe some people can, and like I said, maybe it is a testament just to how, how close you might be. If it's a friend that you, you know, you're not super close and invest, you've known them for 20 years.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Like maybe that's a different kind of a situation then. You know, your absolute best friend or your spouse, you know, like, you know, it's just like, you're just too comfortable with these people. I [00:16:00] don't know what it is.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Well, you know what? The, the boundaries that you have to put in place with the founder are very similar to what you'd have to put in place if you hired a client that was a friend, which we've also

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Oh, that's a good, that's a really good one. Yeah.

Angelica Maestas (Host): how

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So basically we just have no boundaries.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah, no, that's good. Yeah. What? Yeah. Cause I think of it like, this is kind of a silly analogy, but like, you know how they say like kids are always like the worst behave with their family or their mom or whatever, because like, You gotta love me and you do love me and I could just be my worst self and you're still gonna love me and be there at the end of the day.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It was like, you wouldn't do that with like some, you know, random, you know, co founder or or boss or whatever, you know? So I don't know. It's kind of interesting. It's kind of an interesting phenomenon.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah, that's true. Kids behave well in school, they take naps, you know, they listen to the teacher and then they get home and it's, it's like, yeah, it has to do with that unconditional love.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yes, exactly. [00:17:00] Exactly. But I definitely can test it. But still, I think all of that said, I mean, I definitely think there's there's huge benefits to having a co founder. I mean, like

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yes.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): or not. I mean, I honestly, I don't know. But like I can't imagine doing a first business without a co founder. Honestly, it's just, there's just so much new, like you said, I love what you said about having complimentary skill sets, because there's just no way that I think one person can kind of possess the entire suite of things that need to be done and depth of expertise, you know, probably not even to honestly, but that's one thing you and I have always found.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And we always joke, cause we're like so different in so many ways, but like so complimentary in so many ways that.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yang.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): If for any one thing one lacks, the other one can kind of pick up and vice versa. And it includes how even the people that we connect with and the differences in people that we connect with, the conversations that invigorate us, all this stuff.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So I think that boded really well for us was one thing that we that we did just naturally really well. And we were good at identifying those too We were good at going [00:18:00] into a meeting and saying, okay, this person's X, Y and Z. This is their background and interest. Like you should lead this one or whatever.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So I think that was really good.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah. That's true. so more on the benefits of, of having a co founder, I think the was flashback, flashbacking to the trough of sorrow. Do you remember that conversation?

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Well, yeah, because you bring it up like every month, it seems. Since I've known you.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Well,

Stefany Goradia (Guest): since we started the video. Since 2017, anyway.

Angelica Maestas (Host): the vulnerability of, of being a founder and the, and sometimes regret that you might feel when things aren't going well, and it was conversation you and Another person that we don't speak of who was a wrong wrongly selected co founder in a different business we had that conversation and and I just kept hitting at home because the three of us were very different personality types and wanted you both to be prepared for things [00:19:00] are going to get really bad, and you're just going to hate life, and you can't give up, and this and that. And I can't imagine having gone through those periods alone. No

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah.

Angelica Maestas (Host): by myself. such a lonely experience, so I think the benefit of You as a co founder is we got to weather it together when things weren't great. We also got to ride the highs together, but it was definitely less lonely, not taking all the hits by yourself and

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah.

Angelica Maestas (Host): someone to talk through and feel it.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Totally. And yeah, I think that's kind of a funny situation because she and I were like Yeah,

Angelica Maestas (Host): sun.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): you know, that seems so obvious or whatever, but it actually, you know, listeners, if you're, if you're interested in more on kind of the partnership and recipes for successful and not as successful partnerships, we have a really good early episode about failed partnerships and what to look for as you're further evaluating this.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): But yeah, I think it's a great point because even despite [00:20:00] differences and things like that, like. They truly understand what you're going through. You can only relay so much to your spouse, you know, about the nitty gritty and the nuance and the detail of stuff like your co founders are going to truly understand like they're going to understand like they were all on that call that you bombed together collectively and you're all feeling like shit or whatever, whatever, or the, or the one that you, that you did great.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And you're feeling, you know, excited about, like, they're just, they're going to really, truly understand. And I think there's just such value in that. It's very empowering.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Mhm. Mm

Stefany Goradia (Guest): yeah, I think having a sounding board is great. Again, kind of going to complementary skill sets as we are very different decision makers and we are also very different.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): We have very different outlooks on life and the different ways we approach problems. And so one of the things like, you know, We were good about sounding board is like you'd always see like a real, you know, the positive things and all the great opportunity and all these things. And I would immediately go to like logistics and tactical.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And I'm like, well, immediately I could just see like, well, here's all the considerations that we need to make like [00:21:00] now, even though they seem kind of in the minutiae that really balanced each other out. So I think that that's really. It's just really important. And if you don't have a co founder, I think you can still get some of these benefits that we're talking about through advisors, through, you know, your early hires and things like that.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): But, you know, I still think it's just a little bit different. Especially in a co founder situation when, you know, maybe your first year or something's like unpaid. And you're both putting in the time and the effort. You can share workload. It's a little bit more challenging to kind of get that same sort of experience from like advisors and early hires if you can't hire somebody.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So there's definitely an aspect of even sharing the workload in addition to the stress and the joys, you know.

Angelica Maestas (Host): Mm hmm. Yeah.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So I don't know all of that said going back. So what would you think? Would you to co founder or not to co found? Does it depend on the? Does it depend on the idea, the business, the people?

Angelica Maestas (Host): I'd say it's always ideal to have a co founder, especially if you get hit by a bus, like there's [00:22:00] got to be, you know, what do you do in that event?

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Mm hmm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): as an emerging manager, I'm also evaluated. that lens from

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Mm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): LPs they say well if if you get hit by a bus then Who takes over who manages this capital and how does this protect our?

Angelica Maestas (Host): Investment,

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah.

Angelica Maestas (Host): yeah, but of course that person has not emerged yet Which could be down the road funds to add other GPs, it's got to be Complementary ideally someone know someone that fills in the gaps that, are needed for, to round out the investment team. But yeah, it's, I would, I would definitely be pro founder again.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Mm hmm.

Angelica Maestas (Host): What

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It kind of makes me wonder, I wonder if there's statistics out there that show success rates of companies, like if your first one had a co founder and then like your subsequent ones didn't or vice versa. I'm just curious, [00:23:00] like if, if single ownership companies get as far as fast and as successfully as ones that are co found or not.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): That'd be kind of an interesting thing.

Angelica Maestas (Host): There's got to be, yeah, I'm sure there's Carta data on it too. Yeah.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): I think I kind of like having like my close relationship separate. And this this idea came up because my husband's an engineer. He's always got great ideas. And he's like, like really good ideas. And of course, he's like, Oh, you can help me, you know, implement this or that or the other because you know, you've done this and that.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): And I'm like, No, I don't think that's a great idea. I think it's a great idea. But I don't think me and you working on it together is a great idea. You should find, you know, someone else who kind of understands and, and frankly, it would be a better, you know, co founder for some of these ideas anyway. But I kind of like the separation of church and states a little bit.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): It's, it's too hard for me to draw those boundaries. And I'm so passionate about everything. Like I'm passionate in my friendships. I'm passionate in my relationships. I'm passionate in my work. So it's just too hard to, for me to like, [00:24:00] have those boundaries. In a fully immersive, like, you know, full pedal to the metal kind of a situation.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): So I don't think it means people can't collaborate together. I can't, you know, kind of be involved in some way or like help support each other. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I would do it exactly again. I definitely would do it differently if I did. 

Stefany Goradia (Guest): But anyways, yeah, lots to think about. So yeah, I would definitely reference back to that that partnership episode and I don't know. I think to leave you on a good note, I think, you know, there's just, there's lots of really great pros and cons. I think the, what's coming away from this meeting for me is you just got to think about it and you got to talk about it and you got to really kind of do some internal reflection and, and, and outward reflection too.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): I don't know. What about you?

Angelica Maestas (Host): Yeah, the same. The reflection beforehand, just kind of the planning, making sure you're clear on who does what, how you handle conflict, how you communicate. But I would [00:25:00] never go into business with a family member. I would go into business with a friend again, but it would be a very thoughtfully weighed out consideration. yeah, family's too, too messy, much less a spouse. No way.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Yeah, I just think that's, I don't know. People have pulled it off. So if you've pulled it off, give us some tips. Maybe you should come on the show and give us some, some tips and advice for that. That'd be an interesting one for sure.

Angelica Maestas (Host): And we're, we're people that love our spouses. We really love our husbands and love spending

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Oh, yeah.

Angelica Maestas (Host): them.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): Good point. Yeah. Yeah.

Angelica Maestas (Host): into that equation. All right, Stephanie, it was great having you back on.

Stefany Goradia (Guest): All right. Awesome. Thanks for having me. We'll talk soon.... 

Angelica Maestas (Host): And that's a wrap on another episode of She's Ambitious AF. Remember to dream big, hustle harder, and show the world that when it comes to success, we're not just ambitious, we're Ambitious [00:26:00] AF.